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sparky212
Jul 18, 2012, 1:43 AM
New tower would loom over Victoria Park

HIGHRISE: Auburn Developments wants to build the 25-storey complex

By CHIP MARTIN, The London Free Press


Auburn Developments did not return phone calls seeking a comment about its plans for the site, which go before a council committee Thursday.
London is about to get another highrise apartment, this one overlooking Victoria Park.

Auburn Developments is expected to bring its plans to city hall Thursday for a 25-storey building just north of Centennial Hall on Wellington St.

The firm that built the 23-storey, $35-million Harriston luxury-apartment tower at Ridout and Dufferin streets is also developing the $350-million, 10-highrise Barrel Yards residential and office development in downtown Waterloo.

Auburn, owned by the London-based Crich family, has also developed residential subdivisions across London and area, in Kitchener-Waterloo and in Barrie.

Company president Jamie Crich and vice-president Stephen Stapleton did not return multiple calls over several days from The Free Press about the tower that would rise at 560 and 562 Wellington. Auburn has its offices in the second floor of the five-storey building at 560. Next door is 562, a two-storey structure.

Stapleton is booked to appear before a city committee Thursday looking at core-area projects that will create jobs and boost London's economy.

The executive is expected to reveal details of the project that will rise on the site of the two buildings.

The investment and economic prosperity committee has also heard from another developer, Fincore Canada, which plans to build a $300-million artment and wellness complex at Wellington and the Thames River. It would have two 26-storey residential towers linked by an 11-storey "wellness centre."

The firm has applied for a rezoning to permit the massive project, although it doesn't own all the land needed for it. The investment and prosperity committee was so enamoured with it, city staff were directed to process the plans as quickly as possible.

Stapleton has provided artist renderings and floor plans for the 25-storey Auburn project that would include two floors of underground parking on its site at the corner of Wellington and Wolfe streets.

The Auburn and Fincore projects would significantly alter the downtown skyline that has seen residential towers built by Drewlo Holdings and Tricar Group in recent years. Many of the highrises have focused on the area around the Forks of the Thames River.

The committee has heard about dozens of projects ranging from plans for a music hall, casino, river-forks amphitheatre, downtown campus of Western University at the city hall complex to a new Centennial Hall.

In an interview last year about Auburn's Barrel Yards project in Waterloo, Crich said there weren't any plans for a development of that scale in London.

"London is blessed with solid highrise developers (like Auburn, Tricar and Drewlo)," he said. "We have more highrise developments here than many other cities. We are way ahead of curve in that department," he told The Free Press.

Crich also said it is hard to obtain land in downtown because of long-term ownership patterns.The company was founded more than 50 years ago by Don Crich, father of Jamie Crich.

The Harriston, which Auburn completed in 2008, saw its 193 units quickly snapped up. It overlooks Harris Park and the area near the river forks and it has been popular with young professionals, empty nesters and couples.

In Waterloo, the Barrel Yards project is expected to take 10 years to finish and it is massive. The city, faced with a shortage of land, has just recently begun approving highrise development there. It is located in the core on the site of a factory that made whisky barrels for a Seagram's distillery.

E-mail chip.martin@sunmedia.ca, or follow Chipatlfpress on Twitter.

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OTHER DEVELOPMENTS

Auburn Homes has a presence in these residential developments in the London area:

Cedar Hollow


Fox Field


Upper Richmond Village


Colonel Talbot


Foxhollow North Kent


Oakridge Crossing


Stoney North (a continuation of Stoney Creek Gate subdivision)


Lexington Ranch in Komoka


Meadow Creek Estates in Ilderton

bolognium
Jul 18, 2012, 2:56 AM
LFP has the headline as "New tower would loom over Victoria Park." That's a touch dramatic. And on a scale from 1 to Harriston, how ugly will this monster be?

Nah, I'm excited to see what Thursday's meeting brings. I was actually starting to wonder what Auburn's been up to.

Simpseatles
Jul 18, 2012, 12:17 PM
The rendering they had in the paper doesn't look to inspiring, but it certainly looks like a step above the Harriston.

I'm looking forward to seeing more towers built around Victoria Park to give it more of a Central Park kinda feel. There were a couple condos proposed on the other side near Richmond street, in the downtown grand vision from last year. That's actually what I thought this might be at first.

K85
Jul 18, 2012, 12:43 PM
Can't find that rendering on the lfpress site. Any links?

Simpseatles
Jul 18, 2012, 1:07 PM
Can't find that rendering on the lfpress site. Any links?

Ya, for some reason they put the rendering in the paper but not on the website. Anyways here it is:

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n596/Simpseatles/P7171608.jpg?t=1342616780

londoner_abroad
Jul 18, 2012, 1:10 PM
more images/plans can be found here: http://sire.london.ca/agdocs.aspx?doctype=agenda&itemid=12320

MolsonExport
Jul 18, 2012, 1:48 PM
And on a scale from 1 to Harriston, how ugly will this monster be?



1=commie block(extremely ugly) see corner of Oxfart & Wonderbread (or Irkutsk) for examples.
2=London Court House (very ugly)
3=Harriston (rather ugly)
4=...
5=...
6=Renaissance towers (meh)
7=...
8=...
9=...
10=Chrysler building (fabulous)

Simpseatles
Jul 18, 2012, 3:21 PM
more images/plans can be found here: http://sire.london.ca/agdocs.aspx?doctype=agenda&itemid=12320

Thanks for the link!

Wow, with the right materials this could actually end up looking quite sharp! However I know I shouldn't get too excited. What gets proposed vs. what actually gets built here can be quite different.

haljackey
Jul 18, 2012, 3:42 PM
And on a scale from 1 to Harriston, how ugly will this monster be?


Knowing that things never look as good as renders and that it's being built by the same guys who made the Harriston, I'd say close to it since it has a similar look.

I have to say though... Good idea for a location.

FazDeH
Jul 18, 2012, 3:47 PM
Simp is right, the materials and the final product are often quite different from what we see in these initial renderings. That being said, it's my opinion it'd be the best looking apartment building to date downtown if it actually turns out to look the way it's being represented.
LETS HOPE!

Snark
Jul 18, 2012, 4:42 PM
1=commie block(extremely ugly) see corner of Oxfart & Wonderbread (or Irkutsk) for examples.
2=London Court House (very ugly)
3=Harriston (rather ugly)
4=...
5=...
6=Renaissance towers (meh)
7=...
8=...
9=...
10=Chrysler building (fabulous)


If it is built as rendered: 7.0 to 7.5 :)
If it is not built as rendered: ??? (but potentially another Auburn 3) :yuck:

But hey, a new 80+ metre tower coming to the downtown. That's worth something. If it is finished as rendered, then it will even be one of the better ones.

ForestryW
Jul 18, 2012, 4:46 PM
Too bad the parking lot next to Centennial Hall won't be filled in, though I assume it's owned by C.H.

I kinda like the small office buildings at the corner of Wellington and Wolfe and I'm sad to see them go.

GreatTallNorth2
Jul 18, 2012, 6:17 PM
If it is built as rendered: 7.0 to 7.5 :)
If it is not built as rendered: ??? (but potentially another Auburn 3) :yuck:

But hey, a new 80+ metre tower coming to the downtown. That's worth something. If it is finished as rendered, then it will even be one of the better ones.

We all know that it will look uglier once built. These developers have a habit of putting up enhanced design to promote their projects, but then cheap out when they build them. The thing I don't understand is why can some developer build a tower that looks fantastic. For a location like this and considering the money Tricar was getting for Ren 2, you would think a developer would push the envelope and build something great. Honestly though, this is no 7.0. This is maybe a 5. Look at some of the projects being built in smaller cities like Halifax, Regina, etc and its hard to believe we have such low standards.

Chadillaccc
Jul 19, 2012, 5:43 AM
1=commie block(extremely ugly) see corner of Oxfart & Wonderbread (or Irkutsk) for examples.
2=London Court House (very ugly)
3=Harriston (rather ugly)
4=...
5=...
6=Renaissance towers (meh)
7=...
8=...
9=...
10=Chrysler building (fabulous)


The London courthouse is much uglier than any commie block... unfortunately.

haljackey
Jul 19, 2012, 6:24 AM
:yeahthat :iagree:

Simpseatles
Jul 19, 2012, 12:53 PM
Why do people hate the courthouse so much? I honestly don't get it! It's a solid, imposing, awesome looking brutalsit building. I'm much more disgusted by those ugly apartments like the Harriston or City Place.

Out of curiosity, do those who dislike it hate all brutalist buildings?:shrug:

Ahh nevermind. I guess some people just strongly dislike it, and this probably isn't the place to discuss it.

MrSlippery519
Jul 19, 2012, 2:37 PM
If done right (as in basically exactly as the render shows or darn close) this is going to turn out to be a great looking building. My hope is that because this is right downtown and on the edge of Victoria park the city should be pushing them to ensure this is a nice looking building.

Certainly has the location to be a high end unit.

:cheers:

Kokkei Mizu
Jul 21, 2012, 9:42 AM
I like how it doesn't have a twin. :)

MolsonExport
Jul 23, 2012, 4:18 PM
Twins are more fun.

Dylan Leblanc
Aug 9, 2012, 3:02 PM
It's a shame the existing buildings on the site would be destroyed, they appear to be nice - https://www.google.com/maps?q=560+wellington+street,+london,+canada&ll=42.990257,-81.247977&spn=0.001156,0.002411&hnear=560+Wellington+St,+London,+Ontario+N6A+3R3,+Canada&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=42.990257,-81.247977&panoid=Qrbr6XpdjruTsYoMwFF7gQ&cbp=12,78.73,,0,-13.31

Dylan Leblanc
Aug 9, 2012, 3:36 PM
http://gingert.net/images/londonON-01.jpg

http://gingert.net/images/londonON-02.jpg

FazDeH
Aug 9, 2012, 5:37 PM
^^ I agree with you Dylan, and considering there is a large surface parking lot right next door, I feel like that should the logical choice.. aside from the fact that I think Auburn already owns the properties of 560 & 562 Wellington, so there's that.

MrSlippery519
Aug 9, 2012, 7:38 PM
They do not own the parking lot, isn't it part of city hall? The currently buildings are actually pretty nice, my old insurance broker was/is located there.

haljackey
Aug 10, 2012, 3:11 PM
The parking lot directly south of the location is owned by the city. It's used for Centennial Hall and special events at Victoria Park but is pretty empty when there's nothing going on.

I too agree that the building on the location right now is nice. I hope the new structure, if approved, will look very similar to the render. Replacing it with a commie block is not what I have in mind.

LondnPlanr
Aug 10, 2012, 3:21 PM
The parking lot directly south of the location is owned by the city.

Incorrect! ;)

The parking lot is actually owned by London Life, and is used by London Life employees for parking during weekdays.

I have been calling for a few residential highrises to be built on the outskirts of Victoria Park for years. This is a great start, but my main concern is that this turns out to look like The Harriston. Yikes. BUT, someone already mentioned that Urban Design will probably ensure that the Victoria Park facade of the building will be aesthetically pleasing, ie. more glass than concrete, etc.

I heard about this proposal a few months ago, and was just waiting to see 'proof'.

FazDeH
Nov 28, 2012, 5:07 AM
wow, 4 months without a word on this one, I have that all to familiar sinking feeling that this one might never happen. Shame.

MolsonExport
Nov 29, 2012, 3:26 AM
maybe joe fraudtana could ante up the downpayment.

bolognium
Nov 29, 2012, 3:48 AM
Five days ago Phil McLeod mentioned the Auburn development on London Community News - Link (http://www.londoncommunitynews.com/2012/11/questioning-the-value-of-heritage-column/)

For the West Woodfield Conservation District that issue is about to be sorely tested. Working its way through the planning department is an application for a high rise condo tower on the corner of Wellington and Wolfe, facing Victoria Park. It would mean the demolition of two buildings which, while not heritage buildings themselves, are heritage buildings by virtue of being part of a heritage district. Part of the planning process will be a study to determine the negative impact on the neighbourhood.

FazDeH
Dec 1, 2012, 4:09 AM
While I can appreciate that demoing two rather attractive buildings for a condo on the park might seem detrimental to the neighborhood for some.. it begs the question, who is it hurting to have more people downtown? Traffic isn't going to be drastically changed by a few more 25 story buildings, and certainly having more people in the area will likely (EVENTUALLY) attract amenities that are presently lacking. This sort of humming and hawing is beyond frustrating, do we know who the closest neighbors are to those buildings? students. Do they care? I seriously doubt it.

ForestryW
Dec 1, 2012, 11:43 PM
While I can appreciate that demoing two rather attractive buildings for a condo on the park might seem detrimental to the neighborhood for some.. it begs the question, who is it hurting to have more people downtown? Traffic isn't going to be drastically changed by a few more 25 story buildings, and certainly having more people in the area will likely (EVENTUALLY) attract amenities that are presently lacking. This sort of humming and hawing is beyond frustrating, do we know who the closest neighbors are to those buildings? students. Do they care? I seriously doubt it.

Sure, but I gotta admit that the two buildings that would be demolished are pretty attractive and fairly old. Their intrinsic value is significant enough. I only ask that whatever replaces them be equally or more attractive and that means three things: pedestrian-scale architecture facing the street, businesses at ground level, and little to no surface parking.

ssiguy
Dec 3, 2012, 9:27 PM
Well knowing London's only architectural requirement is for the building not to fall down, I don't see why this wouldn't be just anothe r Harriston and the last thing downtown needs is another concrete bunker. Even if they had a very good proposal, I hope it doesn't go ahead. Part of the charm of Vistoria Park is not just the park itself but all the lovely architectural gems that surround it.

If it could somehow get some of the CH parking and put it there then that OK but if requires tearing down anything around Victoria Park the answer should be no.