PDA

View Full Version : Is Rapid Transit Too Rapid to Allow Development to Flourish?


M II A II R II K
Nov 12, 2012, 5:48 PM
Is Speed Obsolete?


04/21/2010

Read More: http://www.humantransit.org/2010/04/is-speed-obsolete-.html


.....

That, broadly speaking, is the question raised by Professor Patrick M. Condon at the University of British Columbia (UBC). Condon heads the Design Centre for Sustainability inside UBC's Department of Architecture and Landscape Architecture, and is the author of the very useful book Design Charrettes for Sustainable Communities. In his 2008 paper "The Case for the Tram: Learning from Portland," he explicitly states a radical idea that many urban planners are thinking about, but that not many of them say in public. He suggests that the whole idea of moving large volumes of people relatively quickly across an urban region, as "rapid transit" systems do, is problematic or obsolete:

- The question of operational speed conjures up a larger issue: who exactly are the intended beneficiaries of enhanced mobility? A high speed system is best if the main intention is to move riders quickly from one side of the region to the other. Lower operational speeds are better if your intention is to best serve city districts with easy access within them and to support a long term objective to create more complete communities, less dependent on twice-daily cross-region trips.

- Professor Condon is interested in the urban form implications of slower transit, for which his paradigm is the Portland Streetcar, a tram in mixed traffic, stopping every 500 feet or so, that glides attractively but slowly (averaging 15 km/h, 9 mph) through the redeveloping Pearl District. Clearly, the Portland Streetcar drove not just a dramatic densification of the inner city areas it served, but a pedestrian-friendly mixed-use urban form where many of life's needs are within walking distance. That much is undeniable. In Todd Litman's terms, which I explored here, the Portland Streetcar may not have provided much mobility but it certainly improved access. But is that a reason to build lots of streetcars, and stop building rapid transit, as Condon proposes?

- Condon is consciously dismissing the value of speed. The Portland Streetcar that is Condon's model is no faster than a local bus. Virtually every street on Condon's idealised Vancouver streetcar network map already has frequent bus service running at least as fast as a Portland-inspired streetcar would run. So Condon is suggesting spending C$2.8 billion on a huge network of services that do not improve mobility at all. After this huge investment, nobody would be able to get anywhere any faster than they can on the bus system now. Condon will object that various things could be done to make the streetcars faster, but as I explored in detail here, most of those things could be done for the buses now, which means they're not logical consequences of a streetcar plan even if they're politically packaged with it.

- Today, 41st Avenue has some fast limited-stop bus service (stopping about once per km) as well as slower local-stop service. Both services are very busy. Limited-stop and local buses can share the same lane and move down the street efficiently. Local buses serve every stop, and the limited-stop buses pass them as they do. You can't do that with streetcars, at least not without building two sets of tracks in each direction and thus commandeering virtually the entire width of the street. In the real world, a 41st Avenue streetcar could only have one stopping pattern, and that would almost certainly mean more stops than the current limited-stop bus makes. So riders of that limited-stop service -- which is such a large market that it's been studied for further upgrades -- would end up on something that runs slower than the service they have now.

- If turning buses into streetcars causes all those streets to redevelop, with dramatically higher and yet walkable density, wouldn't that be a good thing? That wouldn't improve mobility, but it would improve access. We wouldn't have to go as far to do things, because everything would be closer. Yes, but Condon needs you to believe that (a) such redevelopment won't happen anyway and (b) no such redevelopment will happen if we just keep improving the already-intensive bus system while adding one or two rapid transit lines. The reason streetcars currently trigger investment is that the rails in the street symbolize mobility. The development happens not just because of what will be in walking distance, but because the rails in the street suggest you'll be able to get to lots of places easily by rail. So rails in the street create redevelopment, which improves access. But they do that by offering an appearance of mobility.

- Let's imagine 41st Avenue 20 years from now in a Condonian future. A frequent streetcar does what the buses used to do, but because it stops every 2-3 blocks, and therefore runs slowly, UBC students who need to go long distances across the city have screamed until the transit agency, TransLink, has put back a limited-stop or "B-Line" bus on the same street. (Over the 20 years, TransLink has continued to upgrade its B-Line bus product. For example, drivers no longer do fare collection, so you can board and alight at any door, making for much faster service. Bus interiors and features are also identical to what you'd find on streetcars, just as they are in many European cities.) Suddenly, people who've bought apartments on 41st Avenue, and paid extra for them because of the rails in the street, start noticing that fast, crowded buses are passing the streetcars. They love the streetcars when they're out for pleasure. But people have jobs and families.

- In fact, the scenario I just described on 41st Avenue is not all that different from the changes that led to the first demise of streetcars, in the mid-20th century. Condon, like many, argues that introducing streetcars is a return to something that worked well in the past, so the idea seems like a logical extension of today's "neo-traditional" concepts of good town planning. But as this marvelous 1906 video shows, streetcars worked well around 1900 because there were very few cars or buses. Not much got in the way of a streetcar, and no competing transit service could run faster than it did. That's not the reality of the 21st century street. And however much we wish it wasn't so, we choose our transportation mode from among the available alternatives, so a solution that worked when there were fewer alternatives may not work as well now.

- Is it really true, as Condon suggests, that sustainable urban form, with fine-grained mixtures of uses that permit most of life's needs to be met close to home, will grow better around slow transit, like a streetcar, as opposed to something fast like a subway? As I think about the great urban spaces I've seen, at many scales, on many continents, I am simply not convinced that highly civilized urban places benefit from transit being slow. Most great cities of Europe, North America, and Australasia grew around streetcars at a crucial stage in their history, but in many such cities -- certainly in most of the major cities of Europe -- comprehensive rapid transit systems were built a bit later, and these either replaced streetcars entirely or shifted them to supporting roles as connecting services. When I think of really healthy, vibrant, exciting neighborhoods in Europe, or in New York City, I think of places with subway stations.

.....




http://urbanist.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83454714d69e201156faeeb49970c-800wi

M II A II R II K
Nov 12, 2012, 6:13 PM
I would have to say that LRT shouldn't be on the road at all, and if it has to be on the road, only on suburban arterials that are wide enough to accommodate ROW with plenty of lanes and parking space to spare.

Metro-One
Nov 12, 2012, 6:55 PM
:haha::haha:

Honestly, please don't post any garbage articles from Patrick M. Condon.

He is a complete joke in Vancouver and has always had an irrational hate for skytrain and other grade separated transit systems.

He lives in a classic high income white collar bubble.

One only has to look at the ridership stats of skytrain vs. the Portland LRT to see skytrain is far more successful in passenger volume, not to mention the countless transit orientated developments around nearly every skytrain station built, u/c, and proposed in Vancouver currently.

Skytrain is probably one of the best things that has ever happened to Metro-Vancouver, a true grade separated rapid transit system.

Even the incredibly hippie orientated Vancouver city council has clearly stated several times they are only interested in submerged rail transit for the Broadway corridor, no at grade garbage.

Swede
Nov 13, 2012, 8:23 AM
Eh.... what? Of course it sin't too rapid. The false assumptions made are enormous. The most basic being: there can be several types of transit in a city, even on the same route! Having a bus line or a tram with many stops on a major street while having a subway or elevated rapid transit of some sort with stations further apart on the same street is perfectly reasonable and is not that uncommon. Works like a charm.
Here in Stockholm the #4 bus runs on top of the Green subway line for three of the subway lines stations. The bus makes roughly 6 or 7 stops in this section. Both the subway and the bus are full at rushhour. They only compete with eachother for a few passengers, most have one mode as clearly preferred for practical reasons. There's talk of upgrading the bus to a tram since it has 40k+ passengers per day. Tram + subway? but that's two type of rail on the same stretch! crazy? no, makes perfect sense.

Kingofthehill
Nov 13, 2012, 8:27 AM
Skytrain is probably one of the best things that has ever happened to Metro-Vancouver, a true grade separated rapid transit system.

Even the incredibly hippie orientated Vancouver city council has clearly stated several times they are only interested in submerged rail transit for the Broadway corridor, no at grade garbage.

"At-grade garbage?" Huh? That has got to be some sort of joke. Street level LRT/trams work in a number of cities, often in conjunction with faster, heavier, underground forms of mass transit.

Metro-One
Nov 13, 2012, 8:41 AM
:previous:Yeah, my words are a little out of context there, at grade does work well in conjunction with grade separated systems, but for backbones of a metropolitan rapid transit network, grade separated is the way to go.

The corridor this professor is talking about is Broadway in Vancouver, which already has over 100 000 riders a day via buses, and desperately needs the M-Line subway extension, not a surface LRT (especially given its urban density).

And yes, even with a subway buses will still run on the surface, akin to the north / south line it would intersect along Cambie. The Canada Line is a subway along that street and the #15 bus still runs for those needing to puddle jump.

Swede
Nov 13, 2012, 1:48 PM
:previous:Yeah, my words are a little out of context there, at grade does work well in conjunction with grade separated systems, but for backbones of a metropolitan rapid transit network, grade separated is the way to go.

The corridor this professor is talking about is Broadway in Vancouver, which already has over 100 000 riders a day via buses, and desperately needs the M-Line subway extension, not a surface LRT (especially given its urban density).

And yes, even with a subway buses will still run on the surface, akin to the north / south line it would intersect along Cambie. The Canada Line is a subway along that street and the #15 bus still runs for those needing to puddle jump.
:cheers:
What type of transit a line should be depends on the needs it is intended to fulfill. Having multiple types is the right way forward for cities once they get big enough and dense enough. And like you write, when modes of transit are far enough apart in speed/capacity/number of stops/... it often makes sense having two lines run what is basically the same route (HRT+bus/tram being a good example)

MolsonExport
Nov 13, 2012, 2:07 PM
Professor Condom? What an unfortunate name.

hammersklavier
Nov 13, 2012, 2:34 PM
This article is already two years old (not to mention stupid). :ancient: