[migol24]

A chain moving into that (historic) building in the Mission is likely going to incite some interesting reactions.

have you been to alamo drafthouse? this would be good for san francisco and this area. alamo would very likely cooperate with the locals. alamo drafthouse isn't some cheesy chain like starbucks or walmart. alamo is legit dude.

[peanut gallery]

More good news! I like this building - simple, clean, and one less vacant lot in Rincon Hill.

I agree, it's a great little project. And another sign of increased construction activity around town. I'm becoming cautiously optimistic that we're entering another busy construction cycle that will see at least a few of our long-awaited highrise proposals get off the ground.

There are several smaller projects (like this one) getting built all over the place and two large rental projects, 10th and Market and Trinity, are already underway. With strong demand for office space, I can envision at least two office towers starting construction within the year as well. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if that's the case, anyway.

Then we might top it off with 201 Folsom getting started sometime next year. I'm not up on the strength of the overall condo market, but there are certainly lots of smaller condo developments getting funded, and even a couple of larger ones in Mission Bay (though not very tall). Demand for condos would really push things forward, especially on Rincon Hill. ORH desperately needs company up there!

Anyway, that's a long-winded way to say I'm feeling a lot more optimistic about proposed projects actually getting started than I have in several years.

[Zapatan]

Zapatan, there are so many market variables with the Transbay Tower, most SF forumers are focused on those actual buildings funded and under construction. The costs for the high speed rail have gone through the roof. The rail terminal for the SF terminus of the rail line was going to purpose the building. And while the SOMA market where the tower would be located has finally eclipsed the financial district as the most desirable office submarket, the types of offices preferred will not be the types of spaces built out or even available in an 85 story building.

That said, when there is an actual construction crane on the site, then you'll see some excitement and interest.

The rail terminal sounds unlikely so it looks like the tower will be scrapped then.

It's great there are plently of small projects (under 500') but it would be nice if SF could get an actual skyscraper or two. The fact that the transbay tower was supposed to be 1375 feet is just beyond dissapointing. But an 1070 foot tower would also do.

Hopefully America will boom again someday.

[migol24]

It's happening! Woohoo!!
http://www.slashfilm.com/alamo-drafthouse-founder-tim-league-explains-companys-origins/

[JoninATX]

It's happening! Woohoo!!
http://www.slashfilm.com/alamo-drafthouse-founder-tim-league-explains-companys-origins/

Cool, I will be visiting SF later this year and will definitely be checking out Alamo. :cool:

[migol24]

Cool, I will be visiting SF later this year and will definitely be checking out Alamo. :cool:

When do you plan visiting? I wonder if it will be built by then.

Here is the facebook fanpage.
https://www.facebook.com/AlamoMission

And the blog on the Alamo Drafthouse website...
http://drafthouse.com/blog/entry/an_alamo_in_san_francisco

For those of you unaware of this theater... folks, this theater gears towards having an awesome movie experience. This has been repeatedly named by different media outlets as one of, if not, the best theater in America. Just google it. Alamo Drafthouse is also geared towards showing movies that are more under appreciated such as independent and foreign films. So take it as the Lumiere Theater (my fave in SF) combined with the Castro and AMC (without the cookie cutter bland feel) that serve Beer (not named Budweiser or Coors Light), good wine and food.

Another thing I like about the place is that it doesn't even bother to show ads. There are literally 0 ads in the theater. What they show you before a movie are youtube videos and rare footage that is somehow related to the movie that you are going to watch. So you can come in well ahead before the movie starts and still be entertained all the while ordering your food. They are also very strict about talking and texting. And if you're not familiar with it, here's the famous youtube video that became viral.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L3eeC2lJZs

This is, to say the least, THE PERFECT movie theater for a city that caters to creative people like San Francisco does. In the article I posted, Tim League said that they were going to hire locals to run the theater. So that being said, maybe this Alamo will not have the Rolling Roadshow, or Weird Wednesdays but they in fact can come up with events entirely unique to San Francisco.

They're also going to model it after the Ritz location in Austin, which is their original one. And you can count on it that it will also create a bit of a vibrancy to this part of town. I walked by earlier tonight and it was dead. It will change if it gets built and it will also help preserve this building as opposed to how crappy it actually is as of now. This is going to be great for San Francisco and I'm so excited and all of you should be too, despite the fact that it is a chain.

As my friend said earlier, when I told him that people were complaining because it's a chain, he said, "give me a break! It doesn't function at all like a chain. It's like the coolest chain ever." And I couldn't have said that better. Any film buff should be excited. Any city development buff should also be just as excited. It's like the equivalence of getting a 1200' skyscraper... only except in terms of movie theaters. :D

[CyberEric]

I am not saying I am against it, in fact it sounds great.
What I am saying is this neighborhood already rallied and denied an American Apparel (another "cool" chain) and I was simply wondering if this would incite any similar reactions. That's all, I am not trying to rain on the parade, it souinds like they want to do it right. :)

[migol24]

I am not saying I am against it, in fact it sounds great.
What I am saying is this neighborhood already rallied and denied an American Apparel (another "cool" chain) and I was simply wondering if this would incite any similar reactions. That's all, I am not trying to rain on the parade, it souinds like they want to do it right. :)

dude i am so flippin excited about this that anyone who would not welcome it probably wouldn't even deserve it. i honestly feel that the theater is doing the mission and the people who live here a favor by moving here. everyone wants it here and i'm glad it's seems to gaining a positive response by a large margin. i understand how some people wouldn't wanna welcome it, but i don't think those people truly understand how this theater functions. but as already mentioned, even the committee who approves places that build into historical landmarks seem to be accepting of it. what does that say? well, it's such a cool idea that not even american apparel could compete! :tup:

[coyotetrickster]

The rail terminal sounds unlikely so it looks like the tower will be scrapped then.

It's great there are plently of small projects (under 500') but it would be nice if SF could get an actual skyscraper or two. The fact that the transbay tower was supposed to be 1375 feet is just beyond dissapointing. But an 1070 foot tower would also do.

Hopefully America will boom again someday.

The rail terminal is actually under construction Zapantan, it's the extra billion to build the tunnel from the 4th St. Caltrain yard without the high speed line that is up in the air. Governor Brown is now behind the high speed rail build out, so, as I said earlier, there are lots of variables.

[JoninATX]

When do you plan visiting? I wonder if it will be built by then. I planning on visiting in November, San Francisco is one of the few cities I really want to visit.

[migol24]

I planning on visiting in November, San Francisco is one of the few cities I really want to visit.
Awesome! I recommend visiting the Mission. If there is anything remotely comparable to Austin, the Mission offers a lot of things that many Austinites would find close to home. Needless to say, I can see why Tim League decided to build Alamo Drafthouse in that neighborhood. Plus, there is great coffee there... Rituals and Four Barrel are both on Valencia. (for the record, I really really wish a coffee shop in Austin would decide serving their coffee)

It's nice to check out the touristy parts but there's not that many great places to eat, except maybe in North Beach and China Town. But check out the neighborhoods (Castro, Haight, Noe Valley, Mission, Potrero, Russian Hill, Bernal Heights, etc there's so many) as I feel the neighborhoods are where most of the cool local things are.

I work in Union Square at a coffee shop... you're welcome to stop by when you decide to visit. But either way... I'm heading out to Austin in a month so maybe I'll run into you.

[wakamesalad]

Awesome! I recommend visiting the Mission. If there is anything remotely comparable to Austin, the Mission offers a lot of things that many Austinites would find close to home. Needless to say, I can see why Tim League decided to build Alamo Drafthouse in that neighborhood. Plus, there is great coffee there... Rituals and Four Barrel are both on Valencia. (for the record, I really really wish a coffee shop in Austin would decide serving their coffee)

It's nice to check out the touristy parts but there's not that many great places to eat, except maybe in North Beach and China Town. But check out the neighborhoods (Castro, Haight, Noe Valley, Mission, Potrero, Russian Hill, Bernal Heights, etc there's so many) as I feel the neighborhoods are where most of the cool local things are.

I work in Union Square at a coffee shop... you're welcome to stop by when you decide to visit. But either way... I'm heading out to Austin in a month so maybe I'll run into you.


The Mission is tired.

De Young, Legion of Honor, Dim Sum on Clement st., hiking on land's end trails with views of Pacific Ocean and GG Bridge, Stow Lake, Botanical Gardens, Conservatory of Flowers, Museum of Modern Art, walking through the financial district, Treasure Island/ Yerba Buena Island with views of the city, AT&T Park (if you like baseball). These are truly urban experiences that really define San Francisco.
The Mission has coffee shops (what neighborhood doesn't?) and a few good restaurants (though most of the genuinely good restaurants are located in the "local" areas like the Richmond and Sunset- Kappou Gomi is one of my faves if you like authentic, fresh Japanese food) but it is entirely overrated and full of very unfriendly, almost anti- social people. And has some of the highest crime in the city. No thanks.

[migol24]

The Mission is tired.

De Young, Legion of Honor, Dim Sum on Clement st., hiking on land's end trails with views of Pacific Ocean and GG Bridge, Stow Lake, Botanical Gardens, Conservatory of Flowers, Museum of Modern Art, walking through the financial district, Treasure Island/ Yerba Buena Island with views of the city, AT&T Park (if you like baseball). These are truly urban experiences that really define San Francisco.
The Mission has coffee shops (what neighborhood doesn't?) and a few good restaurants (though most of the genuinely good restaurants are located in the "local" areas like the Richmond and Sunset- Kappou Gomi is one of my faves if you like authentic, fresh Japanese food) but it is entirely overrated and full of very unfriendly, almost anti- social people. And has some of the highest crime in the city. No thanks.Well, everyone's entitled to their opinion but I'm just suggesting not just sticking to the touristy parts of San Francisco like all the areas you recommended. San Francisco has more to offer than just all the touristy parts. I've had a lot of people approach me suggesting a good place to eat, and relax with a more neighborhood feel. I always point them out to the neighborhoods and I deal with tourists every single day that I'm at work.

So for all that's being said, there's something for everyone and the Mission may not be for you, but it is for a lot of people. Plus, the Mission has Four Barrel, Rituals and Philz Coffee. So yes, there may be coffee shops in every neighborhood but they're not this good. These coffee shops are after all some of the best in the nation, Blue Bottle included (and some other I can't think of the name which is in Soma). And also, I'm not the only one who thinks that the Mission is the best neighborhood with the best night life. But to each their own, I guess. Tenderloin comes a close 2nd in my book despite being even more gritty and crime-ridden.

[northbay]

Japantown is a nice neighborhood, has great food and is safe. But then again being part Japanese I could be biased.

[wakamesalad]

The Richmond District (Clement St.), Sunset (Irving/ 9th corridor), Glen Park (Chenery St.), Japantown (Laguna and Post sts.), and, I agree, the Tenderloin (Stick to north of O'Farrell st.) are great places where locals live, work, and eat, if you really want to get a good local vibe.
The Mission, however, is very touristy, but, rather than the typical tourists coming from the Midwest and east coast, they are coming from Marin, Danville, and the peninsula. It is very rare to find a native or local San Franciscan living in the Mission (Valencia, Dolores Park areas) as most of them are software/ internet employees that are transient (I work with a lot of landlords and this is who they are marketing and renting to).
And I don't like coffee at all, but I do like tea, so maybe that's why I like the western half so much better :) (If you like tea tasting I recommend Aroma Tea Shop on 6th ave./ Clement- free tasting and very exotic flavors)

[tech12]

The Richmond District (Clement St.), Sunset (Irving/ 9th corridor), Glen Park (Chenery St.), Japantown (Laguna and Post sts.), and, I agree, the Tenderloin (Stick to north of O'Farrell st.) are great places where locals live, work, and eat, if you really want to get a good local vibe.
The Mission, however, is very touristy, but, rather than the typical tourists coming from the Midwest and east coast, they are coming from Marin, Danville, and the peninsula. It is very rare to find a native or local San Franciscan living in the Mission (Valencia, Dolores Park areas) as most of them are software/ internet employees that are transient (I work with a lot of landlords and this is who they are marketing and renting to).
And I don't like coffee at all, but I do like tea, so maybe that's why I like the western half so much better :) (If you like tea tasting I recommend Aroma Tea Shop on 6th ave./ Clement- free tasting and very exotic flavors)

You might want to make it more clear that you're only talking about part of the Mission District (the heavily yuppie/hipster/gentrified western part, which everyone suddenly knows about and which some people apparently think is the only part of the mission). Calling the Mission "very touristy" while acting like the Richmond, Tenderloin, or Japantown aren't is kind of funny too. Though i find none of the neighborhoods you mentioned to be touristy...you can find tourists in most SF neighborhoods, but the truly "touristy" ones are in the northeast part of the city.

[viewguysf]

:offtopic::offtopic::offtopic:

As much as I love the City, this isn't a travelogue column guys!

[CyberEric]

^Agreed, we don't need everyone's thoughts on SF neighborhood hierarchy in this thread.

[wakamesalad]

^Agreed

[NOPA]

Agreed guys, lets keep the discussion away from a neighborhood contest (cause we all know mine is the best--jk)

Any photo updates?

[Jerry of San Fran]

The reinforcement columns are rising above ground level. Trinity I is in the background. I would have thought steel beams would be used - looks like reinforced concrete.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7185/6919484105_e912f56dcc_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/antinous/6919484105/)
Trinity Place_02-22-2012 (2) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/antinous/6919484105/) by Apollo's Light (http://www.flickr.com/people/antinous/), on Flickr

[jbm]

Does anyone know the latest on 55 9th st? I think new designs are supposed to be presented to the planning commission this week.

There are a couple renderings on: http://www.cfdarchitecture.com/CFD_Architecture/55-9th_Street.html, but I don't know enough history to know if those are current.

[wakamesalad]

The reinforcement columns are rising above ground level. Trinity I is in the background. I would have thought steel beams would be used - looks like reinforced concrete.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7185/6919484105_e912f56dcc_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/antinous/6919484105/)
Trinity Place_02-22-2012 (2) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/antinous/6919484105/) by Apollo's Light (http://www.flickr.com/people/antinous/), on Flickr

Steel structures appear to be very rare in SF. Most new construction is reinforced masonry.

So exciting to see this one rising, thanks for the update!

[Jerry of San Fran]

Does anyone know the latest on 55 9th st? I think new designs are supposed to be presented to the planning commission this week.

There are a couple renderings on: http://www.cfdarchitecture.com/CFD_Architecture/55-9th_Street.html, but I don't know enough history to know if those are current.

JBM - of interest, the property next door to 55-9th Street is empty as the California State Compensation Insurance Fund has vacated the 16 story office building (1275 Market St.) and has it's headquarters eleswhere.

[peanut gallery]

Thanks for the photo update, Jerry. I never get by there anymore and really appreciate seeing the latest.

Steel structures appear to be very rare in SF. Most new construction is reinforced masonry.

The Financial District is a sea of steel, which is used in office buildings. Most recent construction has been residential, which is usually reinforced concrete. When office towers start rising again, you'll see plenty of steel.

[peanut gallery]

Does anyone know the latest on 55 9th st? I think new designs are supposed to be presented to the planning commission this week.

There are a couple renderings on: http://www.cfdarchitecture.com/CFD_Architecture/55-9th_Street.html, but I don't know enough history to know if those are current.

Thanks for that bit of news about planning review this week -- I've been curious about that one too. The rendering on that page looks like the latest I've seen.

[wakamesalad]

The Financial District is a sea of steel, which is used in office buildings. Most recent construction has been residential, which is usually reinforced concrete. When office towers start rising again, you'll see plenty of steel.

Exactly!

[Jerry of San Fran]

The San Francisco Planning Commission has this item on it's calendar, February 23, 2012:

55 9TH STREET - Informational item - Regarding the current design and program for the 55 9th Street project, (Case Nos. 2006.1248CKVX and 2011.0089CVX).

The link to the site: http://www.sfplanning.org/index.aspx?page=3042

[minesweeper]

Another tidbit on 55 Ninth according to the Central Market Partnership (http://centralmarketpartnership.org/2012/01/redevelopment-updates/):

Avalon Housing plans to build 273 rental units and 5000 sq feet of retail space at 55 Ninth St. They have completed their entitlements and plan to start construction in 2013.

[Jerry of San Fran]

Another tidbit on 55 Ninth according to the Central Market Partnership (http://centralmarketpartnership.org/2012/01/redevelopment-updates/):

Thanks minesweeper for the info. I look forward to seeing the construction next year from my window. The new building will add to my view without blocking the nice views. It should make the neighborhood much more vibrant.

[minesweeper]

ACT to revive Mid-Market's old Strand Theatre
(http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/02/29/MNJG1ND63R.DTL)Stephanie M. Lee, February 29, 2012, SFGate.com

After languishing in intermission for years, the nearly century-old Strand Theatre in downtown San Francisco is poised to re-enter the spotlight.

And spectators hope the rest of Mid-Market will follow suit.

On Tuesday, the American Conservatory Theater bought the vacant, deteriorating building, which opened in 1917. The local performing arts company had been seeking a second stage to complement its theater nearby on Geary Street.

The 800-seat Strand has lived through multiple incarnations - first as a cinema, then an adult theater - before closing around 2006. Now, ACT plans to revive it as a 300-seat venue.

From the press release (http://www.act-sf.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6257):

Current plans for the Strand include a 300-seat theater, a mixed-use space for classrooms, rehearsals, and cabaret performances, and a small restaurant. A.C.T. is planning to launch a capital campaign later this year to raise the funds needed for the renovation. Renovation will begin in spring of 2013 with a target opening date in late fall of 2014.

[jbm]

curbed also had a little update on the Grant Building at 7th x market:

There wasn't much activity for a while, but then in September 2011 the project went back before the HPC when the architects added two new sets of egress stairs on the exterior. Once again, it was approved no problem. But that's the latest activity, and unfortunately no building permits have been filed as of yet. Who knows when construction will actually start. The 1095 Market website is woefully unhelpful. We'll let you know if we hear of any developments.

http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2012/02/29/whats_happening_with_the_grant_building_on_market.php

[Jerry of San Fran]

View from my balcony.

This weekend a 2nd crane was installed on the job site for the 10th & Market Sts. development. I now have a full view of the 2nd crane. Also a couple of days ago an all night concrete pour was done for the foundation at the corner of Market & 10th Sts.

The 4.0 quake woke me up this morning, the stongest I've felt in many years. I'm on the 27th floor of the Archstone Fox Plaza. I sleep in an antique Chinese bed that does not have springs in it, just a foam mattress. I could feel the up and down motion in the building and hear the steel beams squeaking.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7198/6956807467_681e7641c3_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/antinous/6956807467/)
10th & Market March 4, 2012 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/antinous/6956807467/)

[fflint]

The 4.0 quake woke me up this morning, the stongest I've felt in many years. I'm on the 27th floor of the Archstone Fox Plaza. I sleep in an antique Chinese bed that does not have springs in it, just a foam mattress. I could feel the up and down motion in the building and hear the steel beams squeaking.
Yes, it was a bizarre up-and-down motion. Glad it was short.

Cool pic.

[1977]

Some nice infill for Hayes Valley/Civic Center:

http://www.archpaper.com/uploads/fougeron_visit_11.jpg
Source: http://www.archpaper.com/news/articles.asp?id=5905

400 Grove Street

San Francisco

Scheduled for completion in 2015, this mixed-use project occupies a key position along Octavia Boulevard and will help to set the tone for this emerging neighborhood. On the ground floor are a restaurant and retail shops, and the four floors above contain 34 luxury condos. A central courtyard gives all units the benefit of southern exposure. The wave-inspired street façade creates an energetic street presence for the building and variety among the units.

[1977]

Thanks for the photo Jerry! Looking good.

[hruski]

this city doesn't need any more condos. build apartments.

[flight_from_kamakura]

holy smoke, that hayes valley infill looks amazing, i'd LOVE to see that get built. especially considering that we're looking at ground floor retail space! the hayes valley just keeps getting better. almost time to start taking bets on how long it is before we see gough and franklin calmed. the only thing is the 2015 occupancy, which is ludicrous, as usual owing to sf's insane development process (you want to know why people only built condos at this scale? because it's the only thing that will return on investment in this fucking city).

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=400+grove+st+sf&ll=37.777817,-122.423175&spn=0.000467,0.000817&sll=37.777826,-122.423194&layer=c&cbp=13,298.28,,0,5.58&cbll=37.777817,-122.423175&gl=us&hnear=400+Grove+St,+San+Francisco,+California+94102&t=h&z=21&panoid=KvppPDIOZHBaxXDdFP9BLg

speaking of rental apartments, however, if people want a really good laugh, look up trinity apartments on yelp. right up there with danny's for the worst, most laughter-inducing reviews of a going business.

[minesweeper]

New Call by Developer on Historic Tower (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052970204520204577249961903936938.html)

By THERESE POLETTI
March 7, 2012

A historic skyscraper in downtown San Francisco, the Pacific Telephone & Telegraph building, empty for almost six years, is about to become a hub of construction activity as a $50 million-plus modernization project begins.

The building's owner, developer Wilson Meany Sullivan, is doing a major seismic retrofit and renovation of the 26-floor Art Deco icon at 140 New Montgomery St. in the South of Market neighborhood.

The rehabilitation will include making the skyscraper more resistant to earthquakes and upgrading its 280,000 square feet of available office space to house potential tech start-ups, venture-capital firms and others.

The article says that the building should be ready by summer of 2013.

EDIT: The building has a Twitter account: https://twitter.com/140nm

[DIESELPOLO]

this city doesn't need any more condos. build apartments.

The building is great modern design for sure, but I also did a double take of sorts. Rentals, please!

[peanut gallery]

Two new very large rental buildings are under construction as we speak.

So happy to hear about the old Pacific Telephone Building. It's one of my favorites and I can't wait to see it return to life. Also hope they bring back the external lighting at night. Can't believe I didn't think about this with all the news about SOMA office demand lately. Should have seen this coming!

[Jerry of San Fran]

Not a hole in the ground anymore! The view of the former St. Joseph's Catholic Church from this block will be gone in a few months.


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7200/6970819941_cf2f620bd0_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/antinous/6970819941/)
10th and Market Sts.03-10-2012 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/antinous/6970819941/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7058/6970836683_26b0c23865_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/antinous/6970836683/)
10th and Market Sts. 03-10-2012 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/antinous/6970836683/)

[edwards]

http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2012/03/12/ba-transbaytower_SFC0107545714.jpgThe long-dormant proposal for a skyline-busting skyscraper next to the Transbay Terminal has come back to life - a bit slimmer and shorter, but still aiming to be San Francisco's tallest tower.

The glassy white high rise would be 60 stories and 1,070 feet tall with an entrance at First and Mission streets, according to new plans submitted to the city. It would contain 1.35 million square feet of office space and be accompanied by a half-acre public plaza.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/03/12/BA3A1NJBIF.DTL#ixzz1owklpDJw

[ltsmotorsport]

I guess it's still a nice tower, but no where near what SOM had proposed. Although, who knows if that tower would be in the same configuration today either.

[flight_from_kamakura]

Two new very large rental buildings are under construction as we speak.

So happy to hear about the old Pacific Telephone Building. It's one of my favorites and I can't wait to see it return to life. Also hope they bring back the external lighting at night. Can't believe I didn't think about this with all the news about SOMA office demand lately. Should have seen this coming!

exactly, you have to go huge in this city to build rental units, unless it's assisted living or something.

[Solutioneur]

It costs more than $450 PSF to develop these rental projects. That requires monthly rent of nearly $4.00 PSF or $3,200 for an 800 SF (cheaply built) apartment.

Does anyone have actual rent numbers?

[Solutioneur]

http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2012/03/12/ba-transbaytower_SFC0107545714.jpg

Attractive building. Who needs 1.35 million sf of office space?

[CyberEric]

It looks better in these renderings, for sure. It's still not a knockout, but this is a step in the right direction in terms of looks.

Thanks for posting!

[northbay]

according to curbed.com, the fairmont tower is officially dead:


Thwarted in the their attempt to demolish the Fairmont Hotel's mid-century tower and replace it with a new condominium tower, partners in the Nob Hill icon have sold it for $200,000,000, or around $340,000 per room. And that doesn't include room service. Fairmont will stay on as operator. The motley- but ultimately successful posse of opponents to the project had the usual concerns. With the elimination of half the hotel rooms, jobs became an issue and opposition from the powerful hotel workers union dealt the final blow and trumped any support from the construction trades, along with predictable complaints over construction dust and asbestos from neighbors, fans of irony and tropical drinks at the Tonga Room, and basically everyone else in town....

http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2012/03/14/fairmont_hotel_sold_for_200000000.php#more

[viewguysf]

according to curbed.com, the fairmont tower is officially dead:
http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2012/03/14/fairmont_hotel_sold_for_200000000.php#more

It's been dead since you last posted about it in April, 2011.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=181262&page=3

[northbay]

It's been dead since you last posted about it in April, 2011.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=181262&page=3

Hahaha. Oops. :P

Bad short term memory.

[San Frangelino]

Bay Bridge Lights UPDATE

The Bay Lights Gaining Traction, Moving Closer to Funding Goal…
from:http://www.livesoma.com/2012/03/15/the-bay-lights-gaining-traction-moving-closer-to-funding-goal-video/

First and foremost, the Bay Lights Project has made some significant progress on their donation path, picking up a $3 Million matching grant from a single anonymous donor....

In actuality, they are more than half-way there with the addition of this matching grant because they have raised over $4 Million thus far. As the note says, any donation, no matter how small, will be instantly doubled by the grant, so anyone out there who is really into the concept, you may want to throw your spare change into the mix.

Read more... (http://www.livesoma.com/2012/03/15/the-bay-lights-gaining-traction-moving-closer-to-funding-goal-video/)

[Solutioneur]

It turns out, a very small 700 SF one Bedroom at Crescent Heights will be $2,800-$4,000 per month. The interiors/finishes have been dramatically reduced and bathrooms/kitchens are very small. Cheap apartments, high rents. Fewer amenities.

Is that sustainable?

[northbay]

Bay Bridge Lights UPDATE

I love this! I wish it was going to be permanent!

[San Frangelino]

Good News from San Francisco Business Times (http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/print-edition/2012/03/16/new-tower-to-rise-on-rincon-hill.html) about One Rincon Hill Phase 2:
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/print-edition/2012/03/16/new-tower-to-rise-on-rincon-hill.html

New tower to rise on San Francisco's Rincon Hill
Principle Global buys in for possible summer start
San Francisco Business Times by J.K. Dineen, Reporter
Date: Friday, March 16, 2012, 3:00am PDT

Principle Global Investors has snapped up phase two of the prominent One Rincon Hill development for $29.75 million, a sale that should finally revive construction of the long-delayed second tower at the entrance to the Bay Bridge.

Read More.... (http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/print-edition/2012/03/16/new-tower-to-rise-on-rincon-hill.html)

[1977]

Good News from San Francisco Business Times (http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/print-edition/2012/03/16/new-tower-to-rise-on-rincon-hill.html) about One Rincon Hill Phase 2:
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/print-edition/2012/03/16/new-tower-to-rise-on-rincon-hill.html

Awesome news! I hope the summer ground breaking is a reality.

This is great as well:

The One Rincon transaction comes as a number of neighborhood sites are being revived with fresh capital and renewed interest. San Diego-based developer OliverMcMillan has reportedly bought 375-399 Fremont St., which has been languishing for more than six years since it was entitled. Crescent Heights is moving forward with 45 Lansing St., which it bought from Turnberry Associates in 2010 for $13 million. Both of those projects, which total nearly 700 units, are likely to start in the next 12 months, according to sources.

Finally! One Rincon (Tower 1) has been a bit lonely up there.

[Solutioneur]

SF Rental rates highest in the US.

San Francisco Rents The Highest Of Any City In Country (PHOTOS)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/14/san-francisco-rents-the-highest-in-nation_n_1345275.html

Any suggestions?

[Zapatan]

Attractive building. Who needs 1.35 million sf of office space?

Considering that the vacancy rate of DTSF is somthing like 8%, I would say a lot of people do.

[minesweeper]

It's great to see some projects coming out of mothballs.

Here are two recent national stories about SF:

Revived Project Lifts Bayview, a Blighted San Francisco Area - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/14/realestate/commercial/revived-project-lifts-bayview-a-blighted-san-francisco-area.html)
By BARBARA TANNENBAUM

Now, the completion of a troubled $75 million mixed-use development at 5800 Third Street is evidence that the long-sought revitalization is finally taking root.

Divided into two mixed-use buildings with public courtyards and shared common space, the 315,000-square-foot project’s 137 condominium units are priced to appeal to first-time “work force” buyers. Holliday Development has sold the entire ground floor, as well as 50 of the 71 units in the first building. Sales of the second building’s 66 units are scheduled to begin this month.

Prices range from $300,000 for a one-bedroom with a den to the high $400,000s for three-bedroom units.

San Francisco's Hot Real-Estate Spot for the Rising Tech Generation - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204781804577271491070580960.html)
By NANCY KEATES and GEOFFREY A. FOWLER

A bidding war broke out in November when a small house in San Francisco's tightly packed Noe Valley came on the market.

Twenty-two people, including employees of Facebook, Zynga, Google and Pixar, battled for the home. The winning offer was $1.5 million—40% higher than the asking price. The house had a great view, but it was only 1,800 square feet and came with an old kitchen which, like most of the interior, was covered in 1970s plywood paneling. Seen from the curb, there's hardly any house at all—just a one-car garage and gate leading to small front courtyard.

[rocketman_95046]

Good News from San Francisco Business Times (http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/print-edition/2012/03/16/new-tower-to-rise-on-rincon-hill.html) about One Rincon Hill Phase 2:
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/print-edition/2012/03/16/new-tower-to-rise-on-rincon-hill.html

:omg::banana::cheers::notacrook::tup:

Wow Transbay starting in <2yrs. One Rincon Phase II. 45 Lansing... can this be true? What a week.

[tech12]

:omg::banana::cheers::notacrook::tup:

Wow Transbay starting in <2yrs. One Rincon Phase II. 45 Lansing... can this be true? What a week.

And we have some new renderings of 181 Fremont, so that's another possible addition to the line up.

54 floors, 700 feet:

http://sksinvestments.com/properties/181-fremont/

http://sksinvestments.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/181-FREMONT_Gallery-1.jpg

http://sksinvestments.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/181-Fremont-gallery-3.jpg

http://sksinvestments.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/181-FREMONT_Gallery-2.jpg

http://sksinvestments.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/181Fremont-Main_update_2011.jpg

[viewguysf]

:omg::banana::cheers::notacrook::tup:

Wow Transbay starting in <2yrs. One Rincon Phase II. 45 Lansing... can this be true? What a week.

Yeah, it was an amazing week! Please let it come to fruition without another bust cycle anytime soon! :fireworks The only bursting I want to see are ones punctuating our boring tabletop look downtown.

[1977]

I am putting together a new thread for SF developments over at SSC with Cal_Escapee. How would guys feel about a refresher here as well? The front page is super dated.

[viewguysf]

I am putting together a new thread for SF developments over at SSC with Cal_Escapee. How would guys feel about a refresher here as well? The front page is super dated.

I say go for it, as long as the history that so many of us went through together (minus some who were banned) is preserved. Geez, I just look back through the first pages and it's history indeed.

[Sid Vicious]

wonderful projects for my beloved city! :worship:

[CyberEric]

Wow, this is the most action in SF since I have been on these forums, it's almost hard to keep up. Really excited about the Bay Lights!

[Jerry of San Fran]

The south end of the development had a concrete pour today. The north end was done recently, leaving the middle section to be done.

As far as I can tell the sandy dirt has been moved back and forth on the site for the past several months. I'm sure there is a good rason!

View from the 27th floor of the Fox Plaza (Archstone).

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7256/6852421398_6ccb7eb2f5_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/antinous/6852421398/)

[Reminiscence]

Wow, everything sure is coming together in a hurry. Very glad to see it though. I'm enjoying Crescent Heights coming up and all, but I think I'm among few around here who will be quite content when the stalled developments finally see groundbreaking.

I'm glad to hear about the Bay Bridge Lights! I've long imagined what it would be like to see something like that on a summer evening from the Embarcadero. Maybe if it works out very well, they'll decide to make it permanent?

Also, great shots Jerry! Haven't had time to stop by last few weeks but I'm hoping to make a pass this week sometime.

[tech12]

530 Folsom is set to break ground in two weeks. It's going to be an 8 story building with 120 units of affordable housing for formerly homeless people, support services, and retail:

http://www.socketsite.com/530%20Folsom%20Rendering.jpg

http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2012/03/breaking_ground_at_530_folsom_for_the_rene_cazenave_apa.html

[peanut gallery]

^I like that little building. I have high hopes for the new Folsom St.

[edwards]

8 Washington is a go.
http://sf.curbed.com/uploads/8%20washington%20aerial.jpg
The Planning Commission and Recreation & Parks Commission issued their approvals for 8 Washington at yesterday's joint hearing. It only took 6 hours (!) to get through all the public comments and deliberations, but in the end the final environmental impact report for the luxury condos, ground floor retail, and revamped health club was certified with a 4-2 vote. The Rec & Parks Commission approved the shadow impacts created on Sue Bierman Park, and the Planning Commissioners also recommended to allow the increased height for the area, which will eventually be up to the Board of Supervisors to approve. If the approvals and EIR certification are appealed (which, come on, of course they will be), it will all go before the Board of Supervisors.

http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2012/03/23/8_washington_is_a_go.php

[minesweeper]

S.F. apartment construction boom around the corner (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/03/23/MNJG1NJON9.DTL)
By Stephanie M. Lee, San Francisco Chronicle
Friday, March 23, 2012

After hibernating for years, apartment construction is poised to boom in San Francisco, where desperate renters say those high-rises can't rise high or fast enough.

Largely in response to the city's growing technology sector, 22,000 residential units are in various stages of approval and construction. In a few years, residents could be signing leases for new addresses in South Beach, South of Market, Central Market and Mission Bay.

http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2012/03/22/ba-housing0323_g_SFCG1332472384.jpg


Some highlights:

One site that has come back to life is 1844 Market St., west of Octavia Boulevard, where construction will start in April
The rental vacancy rate is 3.2 percent, a study released last year from the real estate firm Cassidy Turley shows.

[1977]

Good news for SOMA:

Construction will start in April on Avant Housing's two SOMA projects, 900 Folsom and 260 Fifth.
Source: www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco

900 Folsom (foreground) with 260 Fifth in the background (on the right):

http://www.socketsite.com/900%20Folsom%20Rendering%201-10.jpg
Source: www.socketsite.com

900 Folsom (left) with 260 Fifth (right):

http://sf.agicapital.com/images/img_900folsom2.jpg
Source: http://sf.agicapital.com/projects/900folsom/

[RST500]

Gold Dust Lounge Saved (At Least Temporarily)


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/09/gold-dust-lounge-saved_n_1336097.html

[1977]

333 Harrison today:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7179/6873904588_ef9bd2234b_b.jpg

[minesweeper]

Parking Lot Makes Way for Housing at 401 Grove (http://hayeswire.com/2012/03/parking-lot-makes-way-for-housing-at-401-grove.html)
by Jared Schwartz
Tuesday, Mar 27, 2012

We received a tip from a reader that the public parking lot on the southwest corner of Gough & Grove is no longer accepting monthly customers. No, not that parking lot. The other parking lot.

After speaking with someone who works at Tower Valet Parking Inc., we learned that the space will soon(ish) be cleared to make way for new apartments.

More info on 401 Grove from Curbed (http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2009/10/12/hayes_valley_asphalt_will_sprout_homes_next_to_citizen_cake.php) and SocketSite (http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2012/02/the_401_grove_street_seven_and_great_parking_debate.html).

[1977]

Parking Lot Makes Way for Housing at 401 Grove (http://hayeswire.com/2012/03/parking-lot-makes-way-for-housing-at-401-grove.html)
by Jared Schwartz
Tuesday, Mar 27, 2012



More info on 401 Grove from Curbed (http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2009/10/12/hayes_valley_asphalt_will_sprout_homes_next_to_citizen_cake.php) and SocketSite (http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2012/02/the_401_grove_street_seven_and_great_parking_debate.html).

Great news! Thanks!

[1977]

Wow, One Rincon (Tower II) might happen a lot sooner than I thought.

A plugged-in tipster over at One Rincon Hill delivers the design, timing and detailed scoop with respect to the second tower and One Rincon Hill Tower and Phase II:

Construction is anticipated to start approximately June 1, 2012 and be completed in an estimated 26 months. The building design, unit size and unit mix can be summarized as a 50 story version of Phase I as displayed at the scale model located in the sales office. For the floor plans and unit layouts, Phase II will combine the two adjacent small one bedroom units at the center of the building curve above floor 25 into one two bedroom unit. The number of two bedroom units will increase and the number of one bedroom units will correspondingly be reduced. Approximately 60% of Phase II unit plans are the same as Phase I.
Significant improvements in the Phase II building will include a 3,600 square foot exercise facility and a top floor 4,000 square foot penthouse "Sky Lounge." (As comparison, current Phase I amenities include a 750 square foot exercise room and an 1,100 square foot Party Room). All amenities, including the existing swimming pool and spa deck facilities, will be available to occupants of both towers.
Source: http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2012/03/one_rincon_hill_tower_two_timing_design_and_details.html

[peanut gallery]

Awesome news! If either 45 Lansing or another neighboring building (ie: the Californian) can also manage to get started this cycle, Rincon Hill will look so much better way sooner than I had hoped.

Regardless of what else might get built up there, this is starting to feel like 2005-6 all over again. There are so many projects that have been ready to go, just lacking financing for a while there. Now that seems to be coming through as well. Maybe then and now are best looked at as two waves of one boom with a lull in between?

[tech12]

Sweet! Hopefully the local economy doesn't go bad again any time soon. And hopefully the NIMBYs don't have a secret weapon waiting to be unleashed once heavy skyscraper development is on a roll again. Damn this city makes me paranoid about NIMBYs.

Maybe then and now are best looked at as two waves of one boom with a lull in between?

Maybe so. We had no new highrises go up from the late 80s all the way until 1999, and since then the city has basically been on a roll, with a few slow years from around 2009-2012 where a whole bunch of stuff remained stalled.

[Black Box]

181 Fremont is stunning! Way to go SF! It's very similar to the Bank of China Tower in HK. So cool!

[fflint]

S.F., CPMC hospital group strike deal (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/03/27/BAM61NR5E8.DTL#ixzz1qT9lIhtH)
John Coté
Wednesday, March 28, 2012
sfgate.com

http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2012/03/28/mn-hospital28_SFC0101331969.jpg
Picture rendering of the proposed Cathedral Hill Hospital, looking northwest from the intersection of Van Ness and Geary. Photo: SmithGroup Architects

Mayor Ed Lee has reached an agreement with California Pacific Medical Center officials over their plans to build five new medical facilities in San Francisco, including a massive new hospital on Van Ness Avenue....
....
The agreement with the city, which still must be approved by the Planning Commission and Board of Supervisors, would allow CPMC to construct five new medical facilities. The centerpiece is a new 555-bed hospital on Van Ness Avenue at the site of the now-closed Cathedral Hill Hotel, as well as a nine-story office building on the same site that aren't allowed under current zoning rules.
....

[Jerry of San Fran]

[QUOTE=fflint;5645474]S.F., CPMC hospital group strike deal (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/03/27/BAM61NR5E8.DTL#ixzz1qT9lIhtH)
John Coté
Wednesday, March 28, 2012
sfgate.com

Nice rendering that I had not seen before. Now for the big hurdle, the Board of Supervisors, an infamous group that often seens to be petty and amature rather mature and insightful.

[flight_from_kamakura]

this will sail through the BOS. that rendering makes me drool, like take a look at the pedestrian improvements on both geary and especially van ness. that's two lanes! not sure if it's realistic, considering that the brt is already in public hearings phase, but i love the vision of a calmed van ness.

[tech12]

Yeah that new rendering is nice.

As for Van Ness, is it really liable to get "calmed" that much? It's technically part of highway 101 in addition to being a main thoroughfare, so it's quite busy. That in itself is no problem, but combined with possible future BRT, it seems there wouldn't be any space to widen the sidewalks. I guess if all streetside parking were removed, it might work without strangling the traffic flow.

[1977]

1415 Mission, an entitled parcel at Tenth and Mission, is being purchased by the Martin Building Co. Another crane in the near future?

http://www.socketsite.com/1415%20Mission%20Rendering%20Revised.jpg
www.socketsite.com

Martin Building Co. to buy Mission Street site
San Francisco Business Times by J.K. Dineen, Reporter
Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 10:27am PDT

J.K. Dineen
Reporter - San Francisco Business Times

A lot of people around town thought Patrick McNerney was done. After all, having been the city’s most successful and dogged developer during the downturn of 2008-2010, McNerney has been taking his chips off the table.
He sold Potrero Launch -- a 196-unit Dogpatch apartment complex that is still under construction -- for $90 million to Henry Cisneros’ CityView. McNerney, who runs the Martin Building Co. is also marketing the boutique 410 Jessie Street on Mint Plaza -- the sublime 52-unit conversion of the Hales Warehouse that brokers think will bring in a very high price.
But it turns out that McNerney, who could not be reached for comment, is not ready to call it quits.
The developer is in contract to pay $18 million for 1415 Mission St. an automobile repair business at 10th and Mission streets that is entitled for a 14-story building with 165 units.
Source and article: http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/blog/real-estate/2012/03/martin-building-co-to-buy-mission.html

[1977]

Crescent Heights bought another site (325 Fremont) on Rincon Hill. They have been pretty bullish on SF lately. Hopefully, this is good news for 45 Lansing as well.

Crescent Heights buys third San Francisco development site
San Francisco Business Times by J.K. Dineen, Reporter
Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 9:38am PDT

J.K. Dineen
Reporter - San Francisco Business Times

It seems that 1,000 units in San Francisco is not enough for Crescent Heights. The Miami-based developer, which owns dirt at 1401 Market St. and 45 Lansing St., has pocketed yet another entitled building site.
Crescent Heights is the new owner of 325 Fremont St., a Rincon Hill site that was approved for 70 units. Doug Shaw of Pacific Union International represented the seller, Angotti & Reilly.
The price was $4.85 million, according to the Old Republic Title Co.
Crescent Heights' latest foray into San Francisco comes as the developer is under construction on 750 units at 1401 Market St., a rental project targeting the tech-fueled Mid-Market renaissance. The company also owns 45 Lansing St., which is approved for 227 units and its a few short feet from the Fremont Street site.
Source and article: http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/blog/real-estate/2012/03/crescent-heights-buys-third-san.html

An old rendering:

http://search.pacunion.com/u/images/wi/PACUNION/PKT_252_1285128735.jpg
Source: www.pacunion.com

[viewguysf]

1415 Mission, an entitled parcel at Ninth and Mission, is being purchased by the Martin Building Co. Another crane in the near future?

http://www.socketsite.com/1415%20Mission%20Rendering%20Revised.jpg
www.socketsite.com


Source and article: http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/blog/real-estate/2012/03/martin-building-co-to-buy-mission.html

It would be great if Patrick McNerney had the existing HellerManus design updated like developers of other properties have done with their boring work.

[viewguysf]

Crescent Heights bought another site (325 Fremont) on Rincon Hill. They have been pretty bullish on SF lately. Hopefully, this is good news for 45 Lansing as well. Source and article: http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/blog/real-estate/2012/03/crescent-heights-buys-third-san.html An old rendering:
http://search.pacunion.com/u/images/wi/PACUNION/PKT_252_1285128735.jpg Source: www.pacunion.com

The remainder of the SF Business Times article is encouraging that we'll see this move forward soon:

The Fremont Street site is one of a handful of Rincon Hill sites that were entitled during before the neighborhood plan was adopted in 2005. That means that it will be a lot shorter than many of the Rincon Hill buildings -- but it also exempts the builder from some of the hefty impact fees that come with the higher density. Crescent Heights could take it back through planning to add height and density, but that is unlikely. “It seems like they are going to built it as entitled,” said Shaw.
The property has been sporadically marketed since the last real estate cycle and was in contract for a year in 2007 before falling out. “70 units is an in between number -- it’s a little small for big REITs and a little big for local builders," Shaw said.
But once Crescent Heights entered the picture, the deal progressed very quickly. Shaw said that he has rarely come across a developer as competent, prepared, and professional as Crescent Heights.

[wakamesalad]

Crescent Heights bought another site (325 Fremont) on Rincon Hill. They have been pretty bullish on SF lately. Hopefully, this is good news for 45 Lansing as well.


Source and article: http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/blog/real-estate/2012/03/crescent-heights-buys-third-san.html

An old rendering:

http://search.pacunion.com/u/images/wi/PACUNION/PKT_252_1285128735.jpg
Source: www.pacunion.com

I hope they update it, that is a hideous monster!

[viewguysf]

I hope they update it, that is a hideous monster!

It's only about 20 stories tall, so I wouldn't call it a monster, but San Francisco desperately needs more avant guard architecture.

[wakamesalad]

It's only about 20 stories tall, so I wouldn't call it a monster, but San Francisco desperately needs more avant guard architecture.

Avant garde? Only to a San Franciscan...

[tech12]

Avant garde? Only to a San Franciscan...

He's saying we need more avant garde architecture, not that the tower in that rendering is avant garde.

[wakamesalad]

He's saying we need more avant garde architecture, not that the tower in that rendering is avant garde.

Aaah, that makes me feel more comfortable 😜

[Jerry of San Fran]

1415 Mission, an entitled parcel at Tenth and Mission, is being purchased by the Martin Building Co


1977 - Cool. Another construction crane to view from my window! I now know why the site development was stalled.

[peanut gallery]

I'm sure Crescent Heights will update 325 Fremont and can only hope McNerny will do the same.

[viewguysf]

He's saying we need more avant garde architecture, not that the tower in that rendering is avant garde.

Thanks--that's exactly what I meant! ;)

[1977]

AvalonBay is planning on breaking ground on 55 Ninth this June. Wow, mid-Market/Civic Center is going to have cranes everywhere!

This is not the first time AvalonBay has been a pioneer in San Francisco. The group was the first market-rate developer to invest in Mission Bay, eventually building 800 units in three projects there. Elsewhere, AvalonBay plans to break ground on 55 Ninth St. in June, a 273-unit development near the new Twitter headquarters in Mid-Market. AvalonBay is also working on the entitlements to build 180 units on Parcel P in Hayes Valley, the largest of the city-owned sites along Octavia Boulevard freed up when the Central Freeway was knocked down.
Source:http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco

[Gordo]

I think we might soon hit the tipping point where mid-Market actually improves significantly as a neighborhood. In five years, we could pretty easily have 10,000 more people living and working in the area :)

[jbm]

as a resident in the nether region between mid-market and upper market, this is very welcome news.

if you take a look at the general market-octavia plan on sf planning's website, it seems that the van ness corridor between market and mission, as well as the first block of 12th st, are generally slated to get taller, though there are no signs the current occupants are leaving.

assuming that development actually happens, that area of market between 10th and the freeway on/off ramp at octavia could actually start turning into a neighborhood, rather than just pass through.