View Full Version : Be carefull!
Cliff
Jan 12, 2004, 12:16 PM
Look what I can do with this picture:
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/500/85skyline_sun.jpg
After about 10 minutes of editing, copying and pasting, and adjustment of colours:
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/500/85cheatocbc.jpg
An amazing diagram.
Goes to show what "conmen" can do.:no:
I could have easily made it foolproof, just alittle less contrast, 'flatter walls', etc, and I can submit it without anyone knowing.
But of course I don't do that, this is just an example:D
Buck
Jan 12, 2004, 1:22 PM
Yup.
M II A II R II K
Jan 12, 2004, 1:42 PM
/\ And that's giving people ideas!
:jk:
Maybe having them submit the stages they used to draw them too may cut into that problem.
John Hinds
Jan 12, 2004, 1:49 PM
^Some people have enough trouble just uploading drawings with correct heights.
Asking people to upload drawing stages as well would just make even more headaches for the editors.
Cliff
Jan 12, 2004, 2:14 PM
Hmm....After looking at that diagram again, it really is an amazing diagram.
My aim is to actually reach that standard!:D
Gulcrapek
Jan 13, 2004, 12:37 AM
Yeah, it's great. :D I think you could do it, just need to find a way to make the stone look weathered like that.
Matthew
Jan 13, 2004, 2:41 AM
It still looks like a photo. You would have to get an aerial photo looking straight at it, with nothing in front of it, to create that. Those aren't always easy to get. If you enlarge that diagram, it will have pixels of multiple colors. That's a give away for a photo. Also photos are blurred when enlarged. That's not a good way to create a diagram. If you take the time to draw it and match the colors, it can look close to a photo or better, since it's not blurred. It may look gray though, but color matching is important if you want it to look like a photo. Even the worst drawing will look better if the colors match.
Tony
Jan 13, 2004, 4:26 AM
^ not true. If one draws at a larger scale than 1:1, the results of resizing it down will be approximated / calculated colours that the computer does. This can give a diagram a near-photogenic quality.
Buck
Jan 13, 2004, 11:27 PM
It still does look like a photo. And there seems to be a slight slant to the whole thing.
Matthew
Jan 14, 2004, 12:25 AM
Unless someone is drawing in lossy JPEG format then resizes to a smaller size, then converts it to a GIF, it shouldn't have the multiple colors (artifacts) like that. I don't think anyone here works in JPEG for their big drawing (or even their 1:1) and then converts it to GIF. If they are, then more than likely, they are incorporating part of a photo into their drawings.
I think artists call the multiple colors effect "artifacts". Drawings shouldn't have artifacts. Cliff's example (above) has artifacts, as do all photos submitted as drawings to this site.
Charles Hatfield
Jan 14, 2004, 5:57 AM
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/500/85cheatocbc.jpg
Why do people always say that these obvious photo-drawings look so great? :???:
Am I the only one who thinks they look horrible compared to the real drawings? I much perfer crisp lines and smooth colors to the "artifacts" as Matthew called them in this photo.
Buck
Jan 14, 2004, 1:17 PM
I do too.
M II A II R II K
Jan 14, 2004, 1:33 PM
^Some people have enough trouble just uploading drawings with correct heights.
Asking people to upload drawing stages as well would just make even more headaches for the editors.
Well I guess they wouldn't necessarily have to submit the stages at the correct heights, as long as it proves that what they submit is drawn... if the problem persists.
Tony
Jan 14, 2004, 5:21 PM
Matthew, check my diagram. I'm not overly sure what an artifact is, but do my drawings show them?
I draw 2:1 RGB in Corel PhotoPaint then flatten and resize the image to a GIF file using an optimized palette (where it chooses the most approximate 256 colours for you).
caw123
Jan 14, 2004, 5:35 PM
Sorry but I think that still looks exactly like a photo extract, it also shows quite obvious perspective.
Matthew
Jan 14, 2004, 7:36 PM
Tony,
yours look like shading. It's intentional in appearance and the lines are straight. It's when we see those JPG artifacts and uneven lines that we know it's a photo. I enlarged one of your glass towers 1,600 times. You don't need to enlarge them that much to see it though. Even at actual size, photos appear to have artifacts. Drawings don't.
Tony
Jan 15, 2004, 3:24 AM
oh, ok cool I think I know what you mean now. :)
Cliff
Jan 16, 2004, 2:47 PM
Hmm...
Does this look like a photo?
http://www.skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=1117&drawingID=7283
Matthew
Jan 16, 2004, 6:35 PM
Yes, it looks like a photo. Uneven lines and artifacts.
Taylordaman
Jan 16, 2004, 11:03 PM
I think it's a drawing. It looks like a lot of photo shop work done on it.
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