[Young Gun]

I think we should strap pontoons to the Tom Sawyer Cantina and float that piece of crap down river. The folks in Columbia or Wrightsville might appreciate it.

Don't do that. It would probably get stuck on the dam, not sink and we'd be stuck looking at the thing till the end of time. (*shudder*) I will definately be taking photos of when they remove that monstrosity. I don't think anyone will be sorry to see it go.

[Plompy Lfeata]

what street is the new 18 story on?
is it near the hilton at all?

[Young Gun]

what street is the new 18 story on?
is it near the hilton at all?

Yes, it is near the Hilton. The new building is 200 N 2nd street. 2 blocks from the Hilton on the oppisite side of the street.

[Plompy Lfeata]

Yes, it is near the Hilton. The new building is 200 N 2nd street. 2 blocks from the Hilton on the oppisite side of the street.

oh, ok, thanks, thats right in the middle of the skyline then, eh? will it be tall enough to be visible?

and i see a page or so back people were asking why nothing tall was being built. wouldnt that be because the city pop. is around 48,000 and the metro i think is around 450,000 (not sure about that one). thats not always enough people to get a big tower going.

[danwxman]

oh, ok, thanks, thats right in the middle of the skyline then, eh? will it be tall enough to be visible?

and i see a page or so back people were asking why nothing tall was being built. wouldnt that be because the city pop. is around 48,000 and the metro i think is around 450,000 (not sure about that one). thats not always enough people to get a big tower going.

The metro area is over a half million.

I think the building could be taller. The Class A office space occupancy rate is 97% in Harrisburg right now....that is pretty impressive. Reed has said recently that he has had to turn away businesses looking for more space because it is just not there in the city right now. BTW, I watched the video of the announcement on WHBG earlier and the developers said there will indeed be a skybar lounge, restaurant and office suite on the top level.

[Young Gun]

The metro area is over a half million.

I think the building could be taller. The Class A office space occupancy rate is 97% in Harrisburg right now....that is pretty impressive. Reed has said recently that he has had to turn away businesses looking for more space because it is just not there in the city right now. BTW, I watched the video of the announcement on WHBG earlier and the developers said there will indeed be a skybar lounge, restaurant and office suite on the top level.

Do you have a link to that? I must be an idiot and can't seem to find the video

[Young Gun]

oh, ok, thanks, thats right in the middle of the skyline then, eh? will it be tall enough to be visible?

and i see a page or so back people were asking why nothing tall was being built. wouldnt that be because the city pop. is around 48,000 and the metro i think is around 450,000 (not sure about that one). thats not always enough people to get a big tower going.

Harrisburg is unique and defys classification in many respects. It is a city of 48,000 but if viewed on the map it is a very small size of the local MSA. Like Danx said the metro area is over 500k I believe it is over 650 to tell the truth. The downtown area is extremely busy during and after business hours. Many small cities many times Harrisburgs size would be jealous to have their activity. No it is not a Philly, NYC, or Chicago, but it is successful. The only way to expand the city is to build up so it is a valid complaint. The amount of population per housing unit is on the decline. With little space to infill the city will eventually need to have many more high rise construction to regain its lost population. There is no way that 100k people can be housed in the city like they were 50 years ago.

Which brings me to something I was thinking of today. I believe the mayor should shift his "critical mass" projects away from attracting businesses and towards attaching new residents. With a greater population many of the negatives of living inside the city limits would be negated. More property value be it from new homes, condos, lofts, etc. will help to keep ease the tax burden. A greater tax base will enable more cops. More people will create demand for places such as muesums that the mayor wants. The arts will also spring up in the area as well.

I don't know just my thoughts. What do you guys think?

[danwxman]

Do you have a link to that? I must be an idiot and can't seem to find the video

I don't know if its available online. I watched it on TV on WHBG-20.

[MidtownMike]

what was the announcement today?

Nothing too exciting (IMHO). I think this was the announcement...couldn't find anything else:

Capital Area Biotechnology Partnership Receives $160,000 State Investment
Dec 7 11:11 AM US/Eastern

Harrisburg Regional Education Consortium Promoting Advanced Technology Industries Careers

HARRISBURG, Pa., Dec. 7 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- High school and college students from the Harrisburg area will continue learning about advanced technology careers and curriculum through a special collaboration between several local schools and the commonwealth.

At BioTech Day 2007, hosted by the Harrisburg University of Science and Technology, Community and Economic Development Deputy Secretary Rebecca Bagley announced the allocation of $160,000 through the state's Workforce Leadership Grant Program to continue the efforts of the Capital Area Biotechnology Partnership, a consortium of regional educational institutions focused on preparing local students for careers in biotechnology and related fields.

Bagley discussed workforce development's role in the continued economic success of the commonwealth.

"Governor Rendell understands that Pennsylvania's economic future depends on the state's ability to compete in the world's most dynamic industries and to develop a workforce that can create and build on those industries," Bagley said. "By getting students excited about careers in these high-value fields and giving them the opportunity to be successful, Pennsylvania will continue to be a leader in the global market."

The $160,000 grant will be used to grow and promote the Capital Area Biotechnology Partnership, which is overseen by the Harrisburg University of Science and Technology. The organization's objectives include developing an academic continuum for biotech and related careers; creating seamless transitions for students from the Harrisburg School District, Harrisburg Area Community College and Harrisburg University who are interested in biotech and related fields; and collaborating with business and industry leaders to interact with potential students.

"Fifty years ago, 73 percent of Pennsylvania's jobs were unskilled. Today, the number is 24 percent," Bagley said. "As a commonwealth, we must continue to play a role in preparing for the jobs of the future. Through projects like this, students will get a blueprint of the knowledge they'll need to be successful in the industries that will be important in the next generation."

The Workforce Leadership Grant Program was created to build a pipeline of highly-skilled workers needed to support the existing and emerging industries of a global, technology-based economy. Using the "2+2+2" model (two years of introductory curriculum, two years of intermediate curriculum and two years of advanced curriculum), the program is intended to create partnerships among high schools and colleges and universities to ensure that students can learn industry-specific skills that can easily translate into a career.

"We want Pennsylvania students to use the skills they are learning in the present to make Pennsylvania a better place in the future," Bagley said.

For additional information, visit www.newPA.com or call 1-866-466-3972.

CONTACT: Greg Morgan (717) 783-1116

SOURCE Pennsylvania Department of Community & Economic Development

[Young Gun]

Nothing too exciting (IMHO). I think this was the announcement...couldn't find anything else:

Capital Area Biotechnology Partnership Receives $160,000 State Investment
Dec 7 11:11 AM US/Eastern



Well it is things like this that add legitmacy to the University so I think it is a good thing. Also is a mode of free press. I am sure if you as the average person on the street what colleges, and universities are in Harrisburg they would come up with HUS&T.

[MidtownMike]

Harrisburg University tower rising on schedule
by By JOHN LUCIEW
Tuesday December 11, 2007, 1:52 PM

The steel for Harrisburg University's 16-story academic tower being built downtown is just about up.

Next year at this time, university President Mel Schiavelli said he expects to be moving students into the building for the start of the science and technology university's spring semester.

Schiavelli declared the $73 million tower "on schedule and on budget," a fact the university will celebrate at its second annual Founder's Day, set for 6 p.m. Wednesday in Strawberry Square.

At the event, about 25 benefactors who donated $25,000 or more to the university's ongoing $40 million fundraising campaign will get to sign one of the last steel beams to be placed in fast-rising structure.

Along with the steel, pre-cast concrete panels that form the building's walls are already going up, and concrete floors are being poured, officials said. Glass that will complete the external tower won't go in until the spring.

[Plompy Lfeata]

Which brings me to something I was thinking of today. I believe the mayor should shift his "critical mass" projects away from attracting businesses and towards attaching new residents. With a greater population many of the negatives of living inside the city limits would be negated. More property value be it from new homes, condos, lofts, etc. will help to keep ease the tax burden. A greater tax base will enable more cops. More people will create demand for places such as muesums that the mayor wants. The arts will also spring up in the area as well.


not to mention more jobs from construction and servicees of any new residents. This is exactly my thoughts with most cities. you need people in the downtown area, the more people you get and the rest will amost take care of itself. of course tax breaks like they have in philly would be nice. idk if h-burg has them or not, but im guessing they take all the taxes they can get

[Young Gun]

not to mention more jobs from construction and servicees of any new residents. This is exactly my thoughts with most cities. you need people in the downtown area, the more people you get and the rest will amost take care of itself. of course tax breaks like they have in philly would be nice. idk if h-burg has them or not, but im guessing they take all the taxes they can get

The new houses in midtown, Capital Heights, have 10 year tax holidays. I believe that the 81 units of renovations also in midtown that have either started now or will soon have tax breaks. Sometimes it is no taxes, other times it is a phased ramp up from the prior value of unimproved property up to its accessed value. The city makes out on those deals as the new buildings assesed values are in the $200k rather than the $125k of my house. If I had to pay taxes on the market value of my house I would have to sell. Property values are somewhat supressed in Harrisburg partly because of the taxes. The monthly cost to own the my house is similiar to a house that is much higher in price.

If I was running for mayor I would campaign on a platform of improving schools to bring new residents to the city, and continuing to further supress the crime. The criticisms that I hear of living in the city is the quality of the schools, and potential of crime. If you build it they will come (ie. museums etc.) doesn't work. It is similiar to trickle down reganomics. Takes too long to make a return.

[Plompy Lfeata]

thanks for the info on the taxes

If I was running for mayor I would campaign on a platform of improving schools to bring new residents to the city, and continuing to further supress the crime. The criticisms that I hear of living in the city is the quality of the schools, and potential of crime. If you build it they will come (ie. museums etc.) doesn't work. It is similiar to trickle down reganomics. Takes too long to make a return.

i know what you mean, i live up north were lots of former h-burg residents are moving because they dont like to live in the city. they would rather drive 45 minuets to get there then live there. now, idk if thats just because these folks like the country or what, but im pretty sure this proves your point of how there isnt enough resons for people to want to live in h-burg. Personally my favourite thing about harrisburg is the reasturants (especially ABC and that Tai place). Ive been to the state musueum but its not something id move to the city for. i think the main reason people arent moving into the city (at a faster rate then they move out) besides the less people per house, is the fact that the city is veiwed as an old industrial town with pollution and run-down buildings. perhaps what h-burg should work on more than anything is its Appearence. im sure it wouldnt hurt too much to run some commercials for the city on the wilkes-barre news stations and the h-burg ones. if people see the city as place where people want to be, that can change things around in a hurry.

[Young Gun]

thanks for the info on the taxes



i know what you mean, i live up north were lots of former h-burg residents are moving because they dont like to live in the city. they would rather drive 45 minuets to get there then live there. now, idk if thats just because these folks like the country or what, but im pretty sure this proves your point of how there isnt enough resons for people to want to live in h-burg. Personally my favourite thing about harrisburg is the reasturants (especially ABC and that Tai place). Ive been to the state musueum but its not something id move to the city for. i think the main reason people arent moving into the city (at a faster rate then they move out) besides the less people per house, is the fact that the city is veiwed as an old industrial town with pollution and run-down buildings. perhaps what h-burg should work on more than anything is its Appearence. im sure it wouldnt hurt too much to run some commercials for the city on the wilkes-barre news stations and the h-burg ones. if people see the city as place where people want to be, that can change things around in a hurry.



Harrisburg isn't bleeding population anymore. There is no way you would get me to make that 45 min drive INTO the city every morning. I moved from the country to the city. I work in Shippensburg and drive about an hour everyday to get there. I own a house on 2nd street. I would say that Harrisburg is far from dirty. It is the DC metro of cities in my opinion. This past summer I took the train back from NYC and after spending a week avoiding the filth on the sidewalks (including the nice sections of town) It was nice to get off the train walk the several blocks back to my house. The sidewalks are nearly spotless even after a rowdy Saturday night. People move to the "country" to have more elbow room. There is only a few places in the city with rundown buildings. Speculators are quickly gobbling these up as the return on investment is huge. Of course you don't move to cities for muesuems. You move to a city for the entire culture. Harrisburg is begining (let me stress begining) to develop an urban culture.

Last month when I was at Jury duty I had an interesting chat with an older woman that had grown up in the city and went to school blocks from my hosue. Back when Harrisburg population was at its peak it was the only place to go to get anything. Theatre, food, shopping etc. There wasn't a department store by every subdivision, Today there isn't one department store in the city. There are several botiques, and craftsman, but not a cingular big draw. You have the resturants and bars. That gets a crowd on the weekend. Shopping brings people during the week. Many things that would stimulate business are free. Open parking gargages after 6pm for free. Most of them close and don't even let cars in. There is a large amount of space sitting empty that could be utilised. I like living where I do cause when I come home in the evening everything is close by my house. A simple walk. I don't need to get in my car wait at stop lights. Park in a huge parking lot (probably walk as far from my car to the shopping mall as I did to go to the store). I meet people I know around town, and you make many more connections.

I know urban living isn't for everyone and most cities in the last 50 years barring the big draws such as the Big Apple and Chitown have net lost population. So it is not that bad that Harrisburg has shrunk. The thing I find most encouraging is the new construction. Pulling down old buildings to put new in their place. Population will follow all this new construction. If you have a new 18 story building on 2nd some of those people are going to want to live in the city.

People that move 45 minutes from Harrisburg didn't do it because they disliked the burg. If you dislike living in the city there are many places minutes from the city that are anywhere usa. The West Shore is filled with that type of person. They did it cause they wanted to live in suburbia. Generations older than myself were taught when you became successful you moved into a development isolated yourself in safety and you had "made it". Myself and many people my age don't feel this way.

[Young Gun]

It appears that the GSA is slowly retracting their position. Thier demands are mostly reasonable. I'd be willing to pay the taxes for the new bridge. The current one is atricious. Make the Farm Show area look better. I am posting the full article so it can get more press. Anyone have contacts to send to Congress? I think we should draft together a letter to send to them. Chris would you be up for it?? I think you have the best skills here. If we all send the same message it might send a more unified message. Could post a copy of it on the comment section at Patriot News.

Full article (http://blog.pennlive.com/pennsyltucky/2007/12/federal_courthouse_fight_conti.html)

Federal courthouse fight continues
Posted by Brett Lieberman/The Patriot-News December 12, 2007 07:28AM
Categories: Casey, Federal government, Holden, Specter, U.S. House, U.S. Senate

The Ronald Reagan Federal Building and Courthouse, Harrisburg, Pa., built in 1966.BY BRETT LIEBERMAN
Of Our Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON _ Pennsylvania lawmakers hoping for progress in the selection of a new federal courthouse site in Harrisburg, held what participants describe as a sometimes tense and heated meeting with federal officials overseeing the project that fell short of the progress they sought.

They agreed to build the 263,000 courthouse "in the most advantageous spot from all points of view," though such an agreement remains elusive.

Project planners from the U.S. General Services Administration for the first time, though, provided concrete details of what is needed to build the $130 million courthouse at the 6th and Reily streets location endorsed by Harrisburg Mayor Stephen R. Reed and local leaders.

Those requirements include signed agreements for development, bond issues, tax incentives and other deals to guarantee that "Mayor Reed can demonstrate the certainty of the planned development," GSA Administrator Linda Doan wrote U.S. Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa.

The demand, congressional aides said, appears to be an attempt by federal officials to cast doubt on Reed's promises that private developers will build shopping, restaurants and offices in a destitute section of the city that he has said would come if the federal project anchors the project.

Other minimum amenities needed to build at 6th and Reily include road and traffic improvements on 7th Street, the Maclay Street Bridge and other feeder streets would be completed before the courthouse; Parking for 500-1,000 cars; and city council-approved plans for affordable retail and dining options nearby.

The fact that GSA provided those details in a letter to Specter at the last minute was not lost on participants, which included Reed, U.S. Sen. Bob Casey Jr., D-Pa., and U.S. Rep. Tim Holden, D-Schuylkill County.

"We just got it...we got it today at 1 o'clock," said Specter, who requested the 2 p.m. meeting.

Doan's letter was in response to a Nov. 16 request by the lawmakers and U.S. Rep. Bill Shuster, R-Blair County, that GSA outline within seven days what would be needed to build at 6th & Reily after agency officials had not responded to previous information requests.

Facing growing congressional pressure over the site selection, GSA officials in September abandoned two potential midtown sites they selected for the courthouse and instead recommended re-building at the 3rd & Walnut streets location of the existing and obsolete Ronald Reagan Federal Building.

With Reed and the other state leaders still pressing for 6th & Reily, the chairman of the House transportation committee ordered GSA leaders to go back and do a full analysis and comparison of the sites before reporting back in 90 days.

"We had a health exchange of information and view points," said Reed. "What all of that means will be seen when the final site selection is completed."

Barbara Shelton, GSA's regional director, said Tuesday's meeting was productive, but declined to comment further.

"It's fair to say that they have had a predisposition to the existing site, but they are going to take a look at 6th and Reily," Specter said after Tuesday's meeting.

"We have agreed among all parties to try to find a solution which is acceptable to all side," he said.

BRETT LIEBERMAN: (202)383-7833 or blieberman@patriot-news.com


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[crs921]

any pics young gun???? c'mon - im too far away....:haha:

[Young Gun]

any pics young gun???? c'mon - im too far away....:haha:


Due to technical Difficulties (no tripod, arrive home after dard), I can't take pics during the week. Sorry it didn't work out last weekend. I probably won't be able to get out to take photos till Monday. Busy in NYC saturday and Sunday. I am told I have to go see the "Real" Santa on 34th. haha.

I have Monday off and I expect to be back by 4ish. Might have snow in those photos...

[crs921]

http://www.reynoldsconstruction.com/assets/images/projects/webcam/netcam.jpg

YOUNG GUN:
well safe travels to NYC --- and tell the real santa "hello."

anyone else able to get some updated hbg u tower pics and how it is impacting the skyline??? (in FL here...)

Anyone else find it odd that there were articles mentioning how the HU tower was on schedule for the "topping off" yesterday despite STILL being only on the 13th floor of construction??? Am I missing something???

[Young Gun]

anyone else able to get some updated hbg u tower pics and how it is impacting the skyline??? [/I] (in FL here...)

Anyone else find it odd that there were articles mentioning how the HU tower was on schedule for the "topping off" yesterday despite STILL being only on the 13th floor of construction??? Am I missing something???

My guess it doent' effect it at all. The Construction Crane was bearly visible early on in pics. and the roof is below the crane. It would have a better impact on the skyline closer to the capital. I know its basically invisible from the Harvey Taylor when I cam across it last night.

And it is odd that it claims to be topping out. Unless our count has gotten off. Like I said with the step backs after the 7th floor I think it is it is really hard to count the floors as it goes up. Probably easier from a building nearby.

[klingy04]

Not sure how long this page will be up for, but here's a link to pdf's for the site plans and a school board presentation for the proposed 600,000+ sf shopping center on 322 near mushroom hill rd. The center is proposed by the same company that built the plaza with wegmans on the west shore.

http://www.boarddocs.com/pa/cdsd/Board.nsf/160d9a4af103e8f785256d73006c3d48/2c3847c01c220471852573330040c0fa?OpenDocument

[MidtownMike]

Not sure how long this page will be up for, but here's a link to pdf's for the site plans and a school board presentation for the proposed 600,000+ sf shopping center on 322 near mushroom hill rd. The center is proposed by the same company that built the plaza with wegmans on the west shore.

http://www.boarddocs.com/pa/cdsd/Board.nsf/160d9a4af103e8f785256d73006c3d48/2c3847c01c220471852573330040c0fa?OpenDocument

Interesting. That might take a while to be approved...

[Young Gun]

Looks good if it was built as proposed. Espically if it adds some additional lanes. But I agree it would take a long time to get approved. Do we really need most of those stories listed? I guess they don't have them in that area.

[EastSideHBG]

Wow, more horrible, ugly, boring, asphalt-ridden sprawl! And I bet you it is to be filled w/ stores you can find right down the road at another crappy strip mall! The HBG metro is really coming along and getting w/ the times LOL

Harrisburg area, do me a favor and look at MD, DC, etc., and get a clue as to what Lifestyle Centers are. Not perfect by any means, but it sure beats this monotonous crap! :whip:

[PaSkyX]

Wait, so they're planning on chopping out a huge chunk of Chambers Hill for this? ......... I'm honestly at a loss for words on this one. I mean, I can't really say "good idea"... it seems amazingly awful, to say the least.

[Young Gun]

Wait, so they're planning on chopping out a huge chunk of Chambers Hill for this? ......... I'm honestly at a loss for words on this one. I mean, I can't really say "good idea"... it seems amazingly awful, to say the least.

I guess I am looking solely at the numbers. If they have the evidence to back up their claims it would be a great source of income. Especially if it can help with updating of roads. I don't think they have to chop out the hill. I think that was one of the reasons for the 4 extra lanes.

[danwxman]

In the Patriot-News real estate section today:
Bartlett, Traynor & London LLC has purchased the 40,000-square-foot former Police Athletic League building at 1110 N. Third St. in Harrisburg

The building is to become the future home of the Harrisburg Mid-Town Arts Center and the Susquehanna Lofts town homes. Renovations are to be completed during 2008.

The Bill Gladstone Group of NAI/CIR and lawyer Stu Magdule of Smigel Anderson & Sachs represented the property owner, Harrisburg Redevelopment Authority.

[crs921]

http://www.reynoldsconstruction.com/assets/images/projects/webcam/netcam.jpg


Its only on floor 13 - I don't get it. I just don't get it. :koko:

according to Harrisburg.......

NEW HARRISBURG UNIVERSITY ACADEMIC CENTER REACHEST HIGEST STRUCTURAL POINT


Mayor Stephen R. Reed and officials from the Harrisburg University of Science and Technology today conducted a topping-off ceremony for the University’s new Academic Center being built at the corner of 4th and Market Streets, with construction on the building now having reached its highest structural point. Mayor Reed and others signed the last structural beam that will be placed at the top of the building.

Reed said the new Academic Center is a 16-story, 371,000 square foot tower that stands 194 feet in height. The $73 million building includes 24 classrooms, six scientific teaching labs, six seminar rooms, 12 student team meeting areas, a 125-seat auditorium, and space for 1,600 students. A courtyard will also be included at the base of the Academic Center.

Mayor Reed said the state-of-the-art facility will also include a 20,000 volume library, wireless internet access capabilities, video-conferencing capabilities, and a multimedia production facility.

The building was designed by Burt, Hill Architects of Butler, PA. The Construction Manager for the project is Reynolds Construction Management, Inc., of Harrisburg. Materials for the project include 10,000 cubic yards of concrete, 260,000 pounds of rebar (steel reinforcement bars), 6 million pounds of structural steel, and 350,000 square feet of metal decking.

“Today’s topping-off ceremony is an important day for the Harrisburg University of Science and Technology and for this City,” said Mayor Reed. “The completion of this building next year will very significantly advance the University’s and the City’s priority goal of having a workforce that is educated in science, technology, engineering and math, a workforce that is greatly-needed in both Harrisburg and throughout the United States.”

The Academic Center is scheduled to open in late-2008.

[Young Gun]

http://www.reynoldsconstruction.com/assets/images/projects/webcam/netcam.jpg


Its only on floor 13 - I don't get it. I just don't get it.



Maybe they aren't counting that funny looking thing on top??

[PaSkyX]

How could they not chop at least some of Chambers Hill out? I'm quite familiar with the area (my mom lives in Chambers Hill, actually) so I'm guessing that they would cut out a section of the hill and put up a retaining wall. I guess the outcome depends on what exactly goes in there, but I just keep thinking how strange and out of place it will feel.

[klingy04]

About the chambers hill development, if I recall when the project was first announced, they were hoping to have tenants in place by 2010, so I wouldn't be surprised to see more action soon on it. (Google "Swatara marketplace" for PN article, or look back through thread).

Also other news from the central penn business journal...

NEW: New office building to go up on Harrisburg riverfront

Eric Veronikis
12/14/2007 3:28:41 PM

An acre has been cleared for the construction of a $6 million office building at 3003 N. Front St. in Harrisburg.
Hampden Township-based Developers III plans to break ground on the three-story brick building within the next few weeks, said Anthony Pascotti, a partner with the development company. The 40,000-square-foot facility will take about a year to build, Pascotti said.

The ground level will be a parking lot, which sits below two stories of raised class-A office space, said D. Michael Frye, president of Harrisburg-based Murray Associates Architects, the firm which designed the building. The parking lot will accommodate 50 cars, Frye said, but the firm is studying ways to expand parking. The building will rise about 42 feet, he said.

Although the architects were not overly concerned about the building flooding, the raised structure safeguards it from flooding since it will sit so close to the Susquehanna River, he said.

Continuous window space will cover all four sides of the building to take advantage of the river views, Frye said. The riverfront space makes the property a rare find, Pascotti said.

“It has a great view. It’s a great piece of dirt,” he said.

One tenant will occupy the building, but Pascotti did not say who that would be.

Before Developers III bought the property, an old brick house sat vacant on the lot for years, Pascotti said. It was last used as office space, he said. The development group recently leveled the house, which was dilapidated and filled with vermin, Pascotti said.

The Quandel Group Inc., based in Lower Paxton Township, will construct the new building.

[MidtownMike]

About the chambers hill development, if I recall when the project was first announced, they were hoping to have tenants in place by 2010, so I wouldn't be surprised to see more action soon on it. (Google "Swatara marketplace" for PN article, or look back through thread).

Also other news from the central penn business journal...

NEW: New office building to go up on Harrisburg riverfront

Eric Veronikis
12/14/2007 3:28:41 PM

An acre has been cleared for the construction of a $6 million office building at 3003 N. Front St. in Harrisburg.
Hampden Township-based Developers III plans to break ground on the three-story brick building within the next few weeks, said Anthony Pascotti, a partner with the development company. The 40,000-square-foot facility will take about a year to build, Pascotti said.

The ground level will be a parking lot, which sits below two stories of raised class-A office space, said D. Michael Frye, president of Harrisburg-based Murray Associates Architects, the firm which designed the building. The parking lot will accommodate 50 cars, Frye said, but the firm is studying ways to expand parking. The building will rise about 42 feet, he said.

Although the architects were not overly concerned about the building flooding, the raised structure safeguards it from flooding since it will sit so close to the Susquehanna River, he said.

Continuous window space will cover all four sides of the building to take advantage of the river views, Frye said. The riverfront space makes the property a rare find, Pascotti said.

“It has a great view. It’s a great piece of dirt,” he said.

One tenant will occupy the building, but Pascotti did not say who that would be.

Before Developers III bought the property, an old brick house sat vacant on the lot for years, Pascotti said. It was last used as office space, he said. The development group recently leveled the house, which was dilapidated and filled with vermin, Pascotti said.

The Quandel Group Inc., based in Lower Paxton Township, will construct the new building.



Right near the Dixon University Center. Interesting. Still the city of Hbg there, I believe.

[Young Gun]

About the chambers hill development, if I recall when the project was first announced, they were hoping to have tenants in place by 2010, so I wouldn't be surprised to see more action soon on it. (Google "Swatara marketplace" for PN article, or look back through thread).

Also other news from the central penn business journal...

NEW: New office building to go up on Harrisburg riverfront

Eric Veronikis
12/14/2007 3:28:41 PM

An acre has been cleared for the construction of a $6 million office building at 3003 N. Front St. in Harrisburg.
Hampden Township-based Developers III plans to break ground on the three-story brick building within the next few weeks, said Anthony Pascotti, a partner with the development company. The 40,000-square-foot facility will take about a year to build, Pascotti said.

The ground level will be a parking lot, which sits below two stories of raised class-A office space, said D. Michael Frye, president of Harrisburg-based Murray Associates Architects, the firm which designed the building. The parking lot will accommodate 50 cars, Frye said, but the firm is studying ways to expand parking. The building will rise about 42 feet, he said.

Although the architects were not overly concerned about the building flooding, the raised structure safeguards it from flooding since it will sit so close to the Susquehanna River, he said.

Continuous window space will cover all four sides of the building to take advantage of the river views, Frye said. The riverfront space makes the property a rare find, Pascotti said.

“It has a great view. It’s a great piece of dirt,” he said.

One tenant will occupy the building, but Pascotti did not say who that would be.

Before Developers III bought the property, an old brick house sat vacant on the lot for years, Pascotti said. It was last used as office space, he said. The development group recently leveled the house, which was dilapidated and filled with vermin, Pascotti said.

The Quandel Group Inc., based in Lower Paxton Township, will construct the new building.


I wondered what they were doing with that site. Glad to know it is immediately being developed. Seems to be moving pretty fast it was only sold a couple weeks ago.

[EastSideHBG]

How could they not chop at least some of Chambers Hill out? I'm quite familiar with the area (my mom lives in Chambers Hill, actually) so I'm guessing that they would cut out a section of the hill and put up a retaining wall. I guess the outcome depends on what exactly goes in there, but I just keep thinking how strange and out of place it will feel.
I agree and it seems extremely pointless, a HUGE waste of time and a HUGE waste of money. If it was going to be for something cool than maybe I would feel better about it, but just another crappy strip mall (that will probably house another Target, Ruby Tuesdays and/or "state of the art" movie theatre LOL)?!?

:koko:

[PaSkyX]

^LOL, I couldn't imagine that they would put ANOTHER Target in... you do realize how close that other one is, don't you? LOL. But seriously, I can't imagine what they're going to put in, so I guess I'll have to wait and amuse myself. But on the other hand, Harrisburg development succeeds in destroying more trees...

[EastSideHBG]

^LOL, I couldn't imagine that they would put ANOTHER Target in... you do realize how close that other one is, don't you? LOL.
Yes, and it would be as close as the other ones are to each other LOL Hey maybe it will be another Boscovs, and we all know HBG needs another one of those! :D

[crs921]

Harrisburg looking as cold as ice.......

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2373/2118110992_dc07b5515a.jpg?v=0

Anyone have new photos of the skyline w/ the HU tower?

Any other good/positive news out there?

[MidtownMike]

But seriously, I can't imagine what they're going to put in, so I guess I'll have to wait and amuse myself.


Think Wegmans. And it will immediately draw thousands of folks from the east (Hershey/Hummelstown).

[danwxman]

Think Wegmans. And it will immediately draw thousands of folks from the east (Hershey/Hummelstown).

There won't be another Wegmans in the Harrisburg area for a while. I have that on good word.

[Young Gun]

There won't be another Wegmans in the Harrisburg area for a while. I have that on good word.

Whole foods?? The proposal had several stores in their renderings were they only for show?

[MidtownMike]

There won't be another Wegmans in the Harrisburg area for a while. I have that on good word.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. They are quickly finding out how divided this market is when it comes to East Shore/West Shore. Their sales to households east of the Susquehanna River are tailing off quickly. Their decision to build so far west on the Carlisle Pike is hurting them. They need an East Shore location toot sweet.

[PaSkyX]

Well, Wegmans does remind me a lot of Wholefoods, actually. Although I've also heard that Wegmans was looking for an East Shore location. Still, that would be interesting to see both in the same market (I can't honestly tell you that there's a huge difference between the two). Of course, it would be amazing if a Trader Joe's (cheaper than both Whole Foods and Wegmans) or Ikea went in, but I understand how laughable either of those proposals are, lol. On the other hand, Harrisburg does have an Ethan Allen (??? so weird...), so maybe just about anything could go in. It also looks as though they plan on having quite a bit of retail in there, so it should be interesting, no matter what happens.

[Young Gun]

Well, Wegmans does remind me a lot of Wholefoods, actually. Although I've also heard that Wegmans was looking for an East Shore location. Still, that would be interesting to see both in the same market (I can't honestly tell you that there's a huge difference between the two). Of course, it would be amazing if a Trader Joe's (cheaper than both Whole Foods and Wegmans) or Ikea went in, but I understand how laughable either of those proposals are, lol. On the other hand, Harrisburg does have an Ethan Allen (??? so weird...), so maybe just about anything could go in. It also looks as though they plan on having quite a bit of retail in there, so it should be interesting, no matter what happens.

I would love an Ikea. The store would be a good fit with for the local mentality. Thrifty shoppers and the like. It would also be nice to see some higer end clothing retail. If it isn't more of the same stores I don't see a problem.

[danwxman]

I wouldn't be so sure about that. They are quickly finding out how divided this market is when it comes to East Shore/West Shore. Their sales to households east of the Susquehanna River are tailing off quickly. Their decision to build so far west on the Carlisle Pike is hurting them. They need an East Shore location toot sweet.

I work for the company. I can't say anything other than that there won't be another store for several years. There are reasons.

BTW, they do get a sizeable share of sales from the east shore...but they also get a sizeable share from Chambersburg, Lancaster, Lebanon etc. The sales are coming from all over south central PA and the location is a fairly good one.

[Young Gun]

I work for the company. I can't say anything other than that there won't be another store for several years. There are reasons.

BTW, they do get a sizeable share of sales from the east shore...but they also get a sizeable share from Chambersburg, Lancaster, Lebanon etc. The sales are coming from all over south central PA and the location is a fairly good one.

Chambersburg?? Really? I used to live in that town, and while there isn't much variety in the supermarket selection I would never drive that far for food.

[danwxman]

Chambersburg?? Really? I used to live in that town, and while there isn't much variety in the supermarket selection I would never drive that far for food.

Yep...I think it's mostly transplants from the DC area.

[Young Gun]

Yep...I think it's mostly transplants from the DC area.

It all makes sense now... after driving 2 hours to work, what is 25-30 minutes to the supermarket...

[crs921]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2370/2119831317_1e70ee70af.jpg?v=0

ARE YOU FU**ING KIDDING ME.....???

The H U Tower is at its highest structural point, and you can't even see it over any of the other little buildings? And they made such a big deal about this......why?

What is with Harrisburg's "shrinking building syndrome?"

:hell:

[Young Gun]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2370/2119831317_1e70ee70af.jpg?v=0

ARE YOU FU**ING KIDDING ME.....???

The H U Tower is at its highest structural point, and you can't even see it over any of the other little buildings? And they made such a big deal about this......why?

What is with Harrisburg's "shrinking building syndrome?"

:hell:

Yeah I couldn't see it from the Harvey. Haven't been across Market St. Bridge. I have some good photos of the West Shore with the ice storm. Will upload tonight.

[crs921]

cool young gun, any skyline photos with the ice storm and/or updated hu tower photos? i am really bummed at the results of the hu tower....

[Young Gun]

cool young gun, any skyline photos with the ice storm and/or updated hu tower photos? i am really bummed at the results of the hu tower....

Sorry, just looking from Riverfront part to City Island and the West Shore. East Shore wasn't as nice looking as the West Shore, there is a lot less "stuff" for the ice to stick too. Most of the older buildings aren't insulated enough for the ice to really accumulate on them.

[crs921]

http://www.reynoldsconstruction.com/assets/images/projects/webcam/netcam.jpg

Young Gun - can you or someone get some new pics of HU tower? It appears that they are rounding out the top - and I am curious if this will have any impact at all on the skyline..... (it doesn't appear to........)

[Wheelingman04]

Chambersburg is a cool town. I love the downtown area.:yes:

[Young Gun]

Chambersburg is a cool town. I love the downtown area.:yes:

You have got to be kidding me, besides a few block area the entire downtown area is devoid of business and has encroaching blight. The South Gate shopping center is a frequent site of muggings and occasional shootings. Some stores closed up cause the clientel was scared to go to them after dark. I am more scared to walk the streets of that town than Harrisburg.

[Young Gun]

Young Gun - can you or someone get some new pics of HU tower? It appears that they are rounding out the top - and I am curious if this will have any impact at all on the skyline..... (it doesn't appear to........)

What vantage point were you thinking of? I'll do my best but it is getting dark right as I get home. I am taking short lunches the rest of the week so I'll get home early. It won't be anything to frame, but It could let you see what an outline of the skyline is.

Linky to ice storm photos (http://jerchamberlin.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album01&id=IMG_1698) check out 92 through 101

[crs921]

http://www.harrisburgnightlife.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/tomsawyerofficecomplex.jpg

HARRISBURG NEWS ALERT
TOM SAWYER CANTINA CLOSING AS HARRISBURG'S 3rd TALLEST BUILDING SET TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION

:banana:

[Young Gun]

HARRISBURG NEWS ALERT
TOM SAWYER CANTINA CLOSING AS HARRISBURG'S 3rd TALLEST BUILDING SET TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION

:banana:

Is there an article? or insider info? I like the doctored photo. Is that one that I shot from the Parking garage? If we know a specific date we can organize a celebration party. What is going to happen to that hair and nail salon that the GSA was so anxious about? Is it going to close soon too?

[crs921]

I have emailed the reporter at the patriot news to get specifics.

i am in florida - but i can party with you in spirit lol.

nice ice pics young gun - that ice was amazing to see. Whatever pics of the skyline you can get w/ the hu tower would be cool....................


http://wwc.instacam.com/instacamimg/FLFRS/FLFRS_l.jpg?rnd=15-121920070902
(it is 81 degrees here in FL - we hardly ever get a cold snap here......take a look at this cam of downtown fort lauderdale - where i live)

[Young Gun]

I have emailed the reporter at the patriot news to get specifics.

i am in florida - but i can party with you in spirit lol.

nice ice pics young gun - that ice was amazing to see. Whatever pics of the skyline you can get w/ the hu tower would be cool....................


(it is 81 degrees here in FL - we hardly ever get a cold snap here......take a look at this cam of downtown fort lauderdale - where i live)


I am officially jealous. Too bad the sun didn't come back out. It looked even better when the sun was glinting off the ice, but I was too cold to stand outside that long.

[crs921]

pics?

[crs921]

By: Eric Veronakis
December 19, 2007

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2337/2086544193_cc2693de20.jpg?v=0

Class A office space is hard to come by in Harrisburg.

That is why developers said they are not afraid to take on large office projects in the state capital. The demand is there.

Second Street’s 18-story Market Square Plaza building has been fully leased for much of 2007. The 243-foot-high building was developed in 2005. It’s at 17 N. Second St. It has retail on the first floor, a parking garage and 189,000 square feet of office space.

Several blocks north, three Harrisburg-based developers that go by the name 200 North Second Street Associates are about to embark on another 18-story office building at 200 N. Second St. The $35 million facility will include retail space, a parking garage and 140,000 square feet of class A office space.

“What triggered our desire to proceed was our ability to obtain control of a superior piece of real estate along restaurant row, facing the Capitol Complex and close to government and the courts,” said Andrew Giorgione, partner of 200 North Second Street Associates.

Office space near the Market Square Plaza building has continued to fill since the building became 100 percent leased, Giorgione said. That also encouraged the developers to pursue the project, he said.

While class A office space continues to remain strong in Harrisburg, there is plenty of class B and class C space sitting empty, said Art Campbell, president of Campbell Commercial Real Estate Inc., based in East Pennsboro Township, Cumberland County.

Campbell leases office space in various locations throughout Harrisburg. Class B office space in Harrisburg is just as nice as class-A space, he said.

“There is quite a bit (of) available office space in the city, and I don’t think the current availability of office space, and the cost of construction, warrants new construction,” Campbell said.

The growth of midstate law firms, mergers and other factors keep other developers building in Harrisburg.

Farther north, at 3003 N. Front St.,

Hampden Township-based Developers III will soon break ground on a 40,000-square-foot office building. The $6 million building will feature class A office space and great views of the river, said Anthony Pascotti, partner of Developers III.

Developers III designed the building for a specific tenant, but Pascotti said he would have built it regardless. Due to its location and views, the property is a rare find, he said. He would not disclose which tenant will lease the new building.

Pascotti also developed the Market Square Plaza building. He believes there is a strong demand for class A office space in Harrisburg, he said.

“I think there are people that are growing and merging,” Pascotti said. “Look at what’s available for law firms that have merged. There are a few that are in separate locations. Harrisburg continues to attract new businesses, new lobbyists and new services for the ever-growing government.”

[Young Gun]

pics?

Twas dark, when I got home sorry!!!

[crs921]

no worries young gun, maybe tomorrow?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1100/1183452356_f6887181b9.jpg?v=0

look at this pretty photo. (cant see hu tower cuz it was summer)

did you read the article above?

[Young Gun]

no worries young gun, maybe tomorrow?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1100/1183452356_f6887181b9.jpg?v=0

look at this pretty photo. (cant see hu tower cuz it was summer)

did you read the article above?

I did read the article, and I do agree that there is a lot of office spaces open, but the places that are vacant are mostly small square footage parcels. They are mostly small single person offices for lawyers or accounts not the same market as the new building will be. Large floor space offices are non existant as far as I know except for the space at the base of Executive House. I can't quite figure why that place doesn't have a tennant. I think it might have just went vacant. I wish that the place on N front would be larger than 40000sq ft. Maybe multi level. there are a lot of offices along that stretch of road, but they could place a lot more tennants in the same building plots. It road is easy access off 81, and never congested even during rush hour. That being said I like the low traffic volume (I drive down the road every evening to go home) A small professional tower for Doctor's and the like would be really nice. There is even an empty lot available, but it is closer to downtown and the owner the last time I checked wanted $1M for the parcel. That price was actually down from $1.6M The owner must have been smoking crack.

[crs921]

Response from Central Penn Business Journal Reporter:

The Aloft Hotel has been delayed because a new partner, Hersha Hotel Group, has taken primary command of the project. The hotel will no longer be as high, I think it will be about 13 or 14 stories now. Demolition took place and they should break ground when the weather warms up.

Construction of the 18-story building will start as soon as the development group gets City Council’s ok on its plans. That is anyone’s guess as to when that will occur. Typically it takes between two to six months after the plans are submitted to the city. The plans were submitted earlier this month. And yes, a skybar is still planned.

[Young Gun]

So He sold out!!! OHHHHH, shrink shrink shrink shrink.

Hopefully council moves fast on the 2nd street building. when is someone going to go taller?

[EastSideHBG]

Response from Central Penn Business Journal Reporter:

[I]The Aloft Hotel has been delayed because a new partner, Hersha Hotel Group, has taken primary command of the project. The hotel will no longer be as high, I think it will be about 13 or 14 stories now. Demolition took place and they should break ground when the weather warms up.

So HBG's "Shrinking Tower Syndrome" strikes YET AGAIN I see! :whip:

I still think that we won't be seeing a hotel there, folks. I'd love to be proven wrong, though...

[crs921]

I hate to admit it Eastide, but I think you may be right. We've all seen this in Hbg before.......I'll believe both buildings are a "go" when I hear that the cranes have been put into place.

And, I am SICK of hearing about the Federal Courthouse. If Mayor Reed was so concerned about developing the 6th and Riley area, why didn't he push for Harrisburg Univ. to be in that area? That would have left the 4th & Market location for a bigger tower...........:koko:

[Young Gun]

I hate to admit it Eastide, but I think you may be right. We've all seen this in Hbg before.......I'll believe both buildings are a "go" when I hear that the cranes have been put into place.

And, I am SICK of hearing about the Federal Courthouse. If Mayor Reed was so concerned about developing the 6th and Riley area, why didn't he push for Harrisburg Univ. to be in that area? That would have left the 4th & Market location for a bigger tower...........:koko:

Cause the mayor likes a good fight. I think that is the long and short of it.

[Young Gun]

So HBG's "Shrinking Tower Syndrome" strikes YET AGAIN I see! :whip:

I still think that we won't be seeing a hotel there, folks. I'd love to be proven wrong, though...

Well if it is going to be that short I'd rather the deal collaspe, and wait for market conditions to dictate something taller. At least we could assume any subsequent project probably wouldn't include a parking garage in it with such a large garage next door.

[EastSideHBG]

But I don't think the market will ever dictate for something taller in HBG in the immediate future, so I think you should just take what you can get at this point. I've always thought the hotel idea was not the best anyway, and I'd love to see a nice residential tower go there instead (with USEFUL retail on the first floor). Heck, even more offices at this point.

I'm sure it will end up being just another city-owned parking garage, though. :laugh:

[crs921]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2353/2133473585_4b106f896a.jpg?v=0

[crs921]

more HU construction photos 12-24-07

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2065/2133474013_2eab406692.jpg?v=0

[crs921]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2004/2134251802_b36dd37be2.jpg?v=0

[crs921]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2187/2134251892_13a59d2927.jpg?v=0

[Wheelingman04]

^ I have never seen the skyline from that angle before. Neat.

[Young Gun]

^ I have never seen the skyline from that angle before. Neat.

Taken from the YWCA

[crs921]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2353/2146627358_fc1d42d40b.jpg?v=0

[crs921]

a clear day
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2244/2134252340_9942088743.jpg?v=0

[Plompy Lfeata]

from the right angles you can already see this building on the skyline.
does anyone know how many floors are completed so we can imagine how its gonna look when its finished? by the looks of things it still has a way to go so it should make a nice filler in the skyline, eh?

[crs921]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2184/2133473861_22810ba10f.jpg?v=0

Unfortunately, the HU Tower is already being rounded out at the top. It is about as high as it will get - only 16-stories. (It was originally to be 22-stories)

It won't have an impact on the skyline at all. :hell:

[danwxman]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2184/2133473861_22810ba10f.jpg?v=0

Unfortunately, the HU Tower is already being rounded out at the top. It is about as high as it will get - only 16-stories. (It was originally to be 22-stories)

It won't have an impact on the skyline at all. :hell:

It's disappointing the parking garage is so freaking prominent on this building.

[Plompy Lfeata]

how many floors of garage are there?
and its a shame it wont make an impact, what about the 18 story office building? in its location will it make a difference?

[danwxman]

City calls for student housing in midtown
by JOHN LUCIEW, Of The Patriot-News
Monday December 31, 2007, 1:05 PM

Harrisburg is looking for a private company to build as many as 350 units of student housing in the city's midtown neighborhood.

Envisioning the area as a home to hundreds of college students, Mayor Stephen R. Reed announced today that the city has issued a formal request for proposals for the development.

The city is seeking qualified investors to plan, construct, own and manage the off-campus housing for students enrolled in area colleges, including the Harrisburg University of Science and Technology downtown and the Harrisburg Area Community College, which just opened a branch at Third and Reily streets in midtown.

Reed said the city's Redevelopment Authority has assembled three acres of land for the infill construction. The land consists of most of the northern side of the 400 block of Reily Street and most of North Sixth Street between Reily and Harris streets.

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While the area is within walking distance to HACC, it is kind of far from HU in downtown. Wouldn't it be cool if there was a trolley line that ran down 6th street into downtown?

[EastSideHBG]

I am disappointed too and think an HU impact on the skyline would've been so much better. But at the same time I think of DC, one of my all time favorite cities...at the end of the day, it's really all about what is going on at street level! Hey I'm just happy to see a very nice, useful building where a parking lot once was. :)

[Plompy Lfeata]

350 units could make a nice sized building if they build up instead of a bunch of town homes, but i guess we'll have to wait untill some people step up to see what might get built.

[danwxman]

350 units could make a nice sized building if they build up instead of a bunch of town homes, but i guess we'll have to wait untill some people step up to see what might get built.

I'm interested in seeing how this will look as well. Hopefully it's designed urban and looks nice.

[crs921]

Peaceful New Year downtown Harrisburg - old and new.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2333/2153562396_ebea7c3516.jpg?v=0

[Young Gun]

350 units could make a nice sized building if they build up instead of a bunch of town homes, but i guess we'll have to wait untill some people step up to see what might get built.

350 units on 3 acres would almost certainly dictated a lowrise building, Assuming that a townhome or similiar structure takes up 50% of its lot and is a 2 story building, leaving the rest of the lot for parking/sidewalks, small green spaces there would only be 373 sq. ft. per unit. My calculations say that minimal construction would need to be 6 stories (~1100 sq. ft) Is there a demand in the area for that many people? Or is this a back door way for investment in HACC? With all of HACC's recent activities it seems that that the college might be positioning themselves to become a small university.

350 units should mean around 1000 new people moving into that area of the city. Considering the current level of development in the area you could see a brand new neighboorhood spring up.

[crs921]

Plans for a student housing development would be enhanced by a new courthouse

Thursday, January 03, 2008

Mayor Stephen R. Reed's plan for a student housing develop ment in the midtown builds on both the transformation of that neighborhood and Harrisburg's recent evolution as a higher education hub. Wouldn't a new courthouse a few blocks away be a logical addition to the synergy that started with the rebirth of the downtown?

Reed is seeking investors interested in constructing and owning as many as 350 housing units on three city-owned acres available for lease or sale.

Harrisburg Area Community College recently opened a branch campus at Third and Reily streets that is expected eventually to have 2,500 students. Construction is moving along downtown on the Harrisburg University of Science and Technology's 1,600-student center. And Messiah College has its Harrisburg Institute at Dewberry and Chestnut streets.

But while the increased higher education presence is exciting, it's part of a broader picture.

The midtown, sections of which were once better known for prostitution and drug dealing, has become one of city's more trendy areas. Townhouses, small shops and eateries now mark the neighborhood, along with the Broad Street Market and the Midtown Cinema.

In many ways, this has been an extension of the downtown revitalization and the success of Restaurant Row.

The next area in this corridor badly in need of a boost is Sixth and Reily streets. That's the reason so many local officials and community representatives are pushing that vacant location for a new federal courthouse. The thinking is that it would invite similar retail and residential development to replace the current ramshackled and boarded-up properties.

After originally rejecting Sixth and Reily streets, the U.S. General Services Administration has asked city officials to document that a courthouse there would spur new development.

If GSA officials would open their eyes, and their minds, it has already been done.

[crs921]

When you type www.aloftharrisburg.com, it takes you to the Aloft webpage. This is new - and a promising sign.

http://www.wcipartners.com/acrossriver_newr.jpg

[MidtownMike]

When you type www.aloftharrisburg.com, it takes you to the Aloft webpage. This is new - and a promising sign.

http://www.wcipartners.com/acrossriver_newr.jpg

I honestly wouldn't worry so much about this hotel being built. Hersha has a strong record of getting projects completed. Hiring them was Hartzler's best move yet.

[crs921]

http://www.210nsecond.com/

http://www.210nsecond.com/elevations.jpg

[Young Gun]

http://www.210nsecond.com/

http://www.210nsecond.com/elevations.jpg

It shows the skybar on the diagram. Floor space looks chopped up doesn't look like you can put a cube farm on the typical floor. The way the floorplans are setup it almost looks like they have a specific customer in mind.

One thing that puzeled me is that in all their renderings they are keeping the building on corner of 2nd and Locust and it appears to be the color of brick. The building is currently paint a white color. I assume they will be doing significant restoration to bring it back to the original brick?

[EastSideHBG]

/\
What a weird design IMO, and I don't really care for it...it reminds me too much of all of the other 70s buildings that will be around it. The glass helps, but I'd like to see something way more modern than that.

[crs921]

Work Begins On $22-Million Dollar Condo Project In Harrisburg's Midtown

Demolition work got underway this week on a $22-million dollar condominium project in Harrisburg's Midtown neighborhood.

One building is coming down at the site in the 1800 block of North Front street and another will soon go up.

Riverview at Tracy Manor, as it's called, will create 34 high-priced condos, costing from $300,000 to nearly $600,000.

"There is significant interest in that price range and we have reservations now for 8 of the 34 units", says Tim Fulton, vice president of Susquehanna Real Estate. "A high-end product like this can be very successful in Harrisburg. It's what a lot of people have been wanting to see."

But there is much more to the project, which mixes the new with the old. The 'old' is the historic Tracy Mansion, built in 1918 and most recently used as a mental health facility.

When renovations are done, the building will house a ritzy restaurant and commercial offices.

"Wherever there were modifications over the years that were not appropriate to the building---we're removing them," says Fulton. "It will be very much in keeping with the way the building was originally built as a mansion."

The York development company chose a changing Midtown neighborhood for the project. They believe it is a perfect place for an ambitious project like this one.

"It's really a combination of the site itself on Front Street, being river frontage along the Riverfront Park, being part of a neighborhood which is really starting to have an upward swing, in transition, and because of the size of the site," said Fulton.

The renovations to Tracy mansion should take about five months to finish.

Work on the condo tower starts in the spring and should be completed by the summer of 2009.

http://www.tracymanor.com/riverviewattracy.jpg

[EastSideHBG]

Riverview at Tracy Manor, as it's called, will create 34 high-priced condos, costing from $300,000 to nearly $600,000.

"There is significant interest in that price range and we have reservations now for 8 of the 34 units", says Tim Fulton, vice president of Susquehanna Real Estate. "A high-end product like this can be very successful in Harrisburg. It's what a lot of people have been wanting to see."
I have mixed feelings about this. I do think that HBG needs to have a condo market, but for that price, I could live in a MUCH bigger and cooler city and be offered all of the amenities that goes along w/ a big city. That area of Front St., while nice, is just as suburban as anywhere else because you will need to drive to get things.

"It's really a combination of the site itself on Front Street, being river frontage along the Riverfront Park, being part of a neighborhood which is really starting to have an upward swing, in transition, and because of the size of the site," said Fulton.
Yes, and also in a flood zone. I'm going to pay $300-600K to worry about my place getting flooded out?!? Even if you live on the upper floors, it's not going to save your car, the fact that you can't get in/out of your place...

I dunno, like most HBG projects, I think it's a good idea in theory. But once they put it in motion, it's all wrong. I could understand wanting the views, but this project should be DT. If this was the 2nd or 3rd big condo project and there already were some DT, than I may feel differently.

[harrisburg o's fan]

anyone know when the hotel in the parking lot of the farm show is suppossed to be complete by
first time poster long time reader love what you guys do i attend hacc and everyday after class i take a ride through and around harrisburg to check whats going on keep up the great work guys

[Austinlee]

Hey could someone compile all the relavent renderings on page 1 of this thread so we can keep up to date with the Harrisburg projects?? I think alot of people would appreciate that...

Look at how page 1 of the "Pittsburgh Rundown" thread keeps up to date with project renderings. It's very impressive for people trying to see all progress side by side.

[Young Gun]

I have mixed feelings about this. I do think that HBG needs to have a condo market, but for that price, I could live in a MUCH bigger and cooler city and be offered all of the amenities that goes along w/ a big city. That area of Front St., while nice, is just as suburban as anywhere else because you will need to drive to get things.


Harrisburg is a bit of a suburban city. Evidenced by the fact that we have more parking garage spaces in the city than we have people living in the area. The walk from Tracy to DT isn't that bad, I park my car on the 1700 block of third when I need to stay in town for the day. Tracy is on the 2100 if I remember correctly.

As for a bigger and cooler city, somepeople have to live in Harrisburg for their jobs, doesn't hurt to be able to have a nice place. and for a maximum of $500k I think they should be able to find 32 people to sell them to. $500k gets you about 3,000 sq. feet. Quite a bargin.