[cactus22minus1]

Looks like the northwest corner, but I agree it's very confusing. The crown looks stubbier and shaped slightly differently in that model...

Anyone know how recent that model is?

Oh, and the atrium has been long gone. Take a look at the current views from Bryant Park, and you'll see the floor plates extending all the way to the edge of where the facade will be on the corner where the atrium was supposed to exist. The building was/is fetching astronomical $/sqf so they maximized office space.

[CarlosV]

The model is taken from the CURRENT Cook & Fox website!!!(Architechts)

Maybe this the way is gonna look!!!






http://www.cookplusfox.com/

[TechTalkGuy]

Not counting the spire, Bank of America will be average height and will just blend in with the surrounding towers.

The spire will reach for the sky.

[CHAPINM1]

Not counting the spire, Bank of America will be average height and will just blend in with the surrounding towers.

The spire will reach for the sky.

Even as far as just the tower portion, it will definetly you'll definetly be able to see that in size it is in between the Chrysler Building and the Empire State Building terms of height. It's still massive at 900 some feet unlike the Chrysler which really starts to look thin even several feet below the start of the spire...

[Derek2k32]

Model is of the north-western side of the tower.

[TechTalkGuy]

Even as far as just the tower portion, it will definetly you'll definetly be able to see that in size it is in between the Chrysler Building and the Empire State Building terms of height. It's still massive at 900 some feet unlike the Chrysler which really starts to look thin even several feet below the start of the spire...
:yes: Yes, agreed! :tup:

With the various videos I have filmed (plus my future film projects), New York is right up there.

My projects involve showcasing the exciting towers that define a great city and New York is really shaping up.

It has been years since I've done a really good video of New York - now with Hearst Magazine Tower, the NY Times Tower, Bank of America, 15 CPS and many, many others, this is a very exciting time for my fav city. ;)

[KevinFromTexas]

Hey you guys, stay on topic here. No idle chit chat, bickering or one building versus another one stuff, ok? Thanks.

Building updates and comments about its design are fine, but don't get off topic.

[CarlosV]

August 13, 2007


:hi:

Casablanca tonight at Bryant Park

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture110-2.jpg


:)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture109.jpg


:)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture111-1.jpg


:banana:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture113.jpg


:)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture114.jpg


hello sexy :blush:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture115-1.jpg

[hartss]

Does anyone know how they will keep the angled sides clean? The glass they are using does not look good when dirty, and the angled parts have the potential to become VERY dirty. Does the unique shape of the tower require custom window cleaning machinery? Walking by BoA this morning, these random thoughts popped into my head.

I like the stone wall that will form the rear wall of the lobby. It is a nice counterpoint to the glass. What do you all think of it (Carlos has posted pics of it in the recent past).

[CarlosV]

here it is...I love it...i am sure the cleaning gondolas will do a fine job keeping the glass clean.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/CIMG2239.jpg

[Dac150]

I think they should have went with a blue colored marble or something.

[JACKinBeantown]

August 13, 2007

hello sexy :blush:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture115-1.jpg


Thanks for thinking of us, Carlos.

[CarlosV]

HA HA With Pleasure Mr. Jack....thats is a site that the lucky workers will be able to enjoy from the back side of the BOFA tower!!!

[Islander]

Thanks for thinking of us, Carlos.

:laugh:

[CarlosV]

Ditto


:drooling:

[WonderlandPark]

Interestingly, I have read on this thread that this is a concrete core building, but that the ironworkers or the union insists that the core be built behind the steel. But I came across this, and it seems that the core following steel is done to < drum roll > save money and time.

Here is the article. 7 WTC was also done the same way.

http://enr.construction.com/images/2004/040726-14c.jpg

Unlike most New York City high-rises, the steel will lead core construction. This strategy was developed by Severud in the 1970s, but never implemented in New York until recently, says DePaola.

The construction manager selected the approach because frame construction is about one-third quicker, says Joseph L. Ross, executive vice president of Tishman Construction Corp. of New York. Tishman also is using the approach on Seven WTC and says the strategy relies on the use of climbing forms, which allow the core to keep pace with the steel.

http://enr.construction.com/Sp_Projects/green/archives/040726a.asp

[Snoshredder21]

dont get me wrong this is a beautiful building, i really love the design n all

but i dont get the "pole" sticking out of it from the top that suppose to be a spire.

a real spire is something like on 1 Liberty Place, or the Chrslyer Building

this pole is just an excuse to get to 1000 feet, but in reality the building is really 940 something

[sfcity1]

This is a nice building. But any way you slice it, 400+ feet of unoccupiable height does not sound very good. It seems to be a trend though.

[CarlosV]

foto taken by my friend Justin from his office...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/DSCN1569.jpg

[CoolCzech]

dont get me wrong this is a beautiful building, i really love the design n all

but i dont get the "pole" sticking out of it from the top that suppose to be a spire.

a real spire is something like on 1 Liberty Place, or the Chrslyer Building

this pole is just an excuse to get to 1000 feet, but in reality the building is really 940 something


Thank you for that original comment. I never heard anything so fresh and full of insight.

Do tell, what epiphany do you wish to share with us over the fact that, to the rest of the world, 1,000 feet is just 303 meters or so? Does it mean 1,000feet is a meaningless number?

[Snoshredder21]

i knew someone was gonna have a problem with my comment, didnt know someone was gonna be that much of a prick about it though, thank you

shoulda said the pole is just an excuse to get to 1200 feet, would that have been better.

anyway.

For me, the height is not even the issue here, its the design of building. i love the rest of the building. its the issue of them putting a stick on the top when they could have probably substituted that "spire" with more floors and a better design at the top. id rather see the roof or a real spire that extends up to or closer to 1200ft. its just my opinon.

[CarlosV]

August 17, 2007



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[CHAPINM1]

Thanks for the update! :tup:

[NYguy]

http://enr.construction.com/images/2004/040726-14c.jpg

Getting closer to the spire...

AUGUST 14, 2007

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84056425/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84056427/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84056429/large.jpg

[TechTalkGuy]

:previous: Outstanding photos (as usual) NYguy! :tup:

[Fabb]

August 17, 2007



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture133-2.jpg

Verizon is like a midget next to BofA.

[skellergroup]

Verizon is like a midget next to BofA.

Wow. talk about a shot that oozes perspective.

[NYguy]

AUGUST 18, 2007

Perfect for the 6th Avenue canyon...

1.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84197601/large.jpg

2.
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3.
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4.
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14.
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[CarlosV]

August 20, 2007

another cloudy gray monday in gotham...what happened to summer?? :shrug:




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture146-2.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture147-2.jpg

[CarlosV]

Wednesday August 22, 2007

still cloudy over Gotham...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture149-2.jpg



:haha: WTF ??? Santa is in town!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture153-1.jpg

[DUBAI2015]

Where did the crane go?

[CarlosV]

there was never a crane on the west side of the tower....

[Edmo]

Consistently awesome pics! Thanks for the great updates.

[CarlosV]

NYC Friday August 24, 2007


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture161.jpg


;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture162-1.jpg



:yes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture163.jpg

[CarlosV]

Monday August 27, 2007


This will be a gem when completed...


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture169.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture175.jpg



:tup:





http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture179.jpg

[Patrick]

That last pic is incredible! :yes:

[CarlosV]

^
:hi:

Thanks, I love One Bryant Park Tower, best seen on sunny days!!!

I love Phoenix too...My brother lives in Ahwatukee

[James Bond Agent 007]

Yeah agreed. Definitely the money shot.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture179.jpg

[Patrick]

^
:hi:

Thanks, I love One Bryant Park Tower, best seen on sunny days!!!

I love Phoenix too...My brother lives in Ahwatukee

I was complaining about the modified crown, but its not so bad afterall.

Ahh, to be tottaly honest I hate it here! Its so dull! I'm only living here temporarily. Phoenix might be the 5th largest city in the USA but it sure isnt unique or exciting, I'll be moving back to LA soon enough :)

[pianowizard]

I've been paying so much attention to the Chicago Spire and Trump Chicago that I totally forgot about this building! Thanks Carlos for the photos. Looks like it's going to top out very soon!

[PhxSprawler]

^
:hi:

Thanks, I love One Bryant Park Tower, best seen on sunny days!!!

I love Phoenix too...My brother lives in Ahwatukee

Come visit sometime, Carlos. The Phoenix forumers will show you a good time. :cheers:

[djvandrake]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture162-1.jpg



Awesome pics Carlos. :tup:

Forgive me if this has been asked before; does anyone know if the facade will be heated to prevent ice sheets from building up and falling? I can see a sloped surface like this accumulating major ice during a late winter storm (freezing rain, sleet :yuck: )

This building is quite the addition to the NY skyline. :slob:

[CarlosV]

Come visit sometime, Carlos. The Phoenix forumers will show you a good time. :cheers:


WOW cool...how many Phoenix foumers are there?? I am planning on visiting again for thanksgiving!!! :eat:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture170-1.jpg

[CarlosV]

Awesome pics Carlos. :tup:

Forgive me if this has been asked before; does anyone know if the facade will be heated to prevent ice sheets from building up and falling? :slob:

I dunno about "heating" the facade......but I am sure NO ICE SHEETS will form and decapitate pedestrians below...






One Bryant Park :worship: I LOVE YOU

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture174.jpg

a refresher....

Design Intent Design inspired by famed New York Crystal Palace, the first glass and steel building in America, erected in Bryant Park in 1853, along with cultural influences from New York City’s classic skyscrapers

Traces the history of the site while representing the city’s optimism of its future through the suggestion of the architectural forms

Embraces and is specific to building’s unique urban context

Building’s base is derived from and enriches the site’s complex pedestrian and transit circulation patterns

Verticality of building’s massing, spiraling up to the tip of the tallest spire, responds to the Midtown Manhattan skyline, while the configuration of the base addresses the local pedestrian and transportation thoroughfares

Design Highlights

Crystalline skyscraper

Crystal rises from its base with sculptural facets that infer movement and allow for varied views around the neighboring towers

The faceted crystal design is complimented by both the clear glass curtain wall and the tautness of the skin’s detail

Crisp folds and precise vertical lines are animated by the movement of the sun and moon

The south-facing facet turns to address its prominent relationship with Bryant Park

Dimensions

2,100,000 total square feet
1,100,000 square feet for Bank of America
1,000,000 square feet of office space above
50,000 square foot reconstructed Henry Miller Theater
945 feet tall, 54 stories

[Fabb]

spiraling up to the tip of the tallest spire

I didn't notice the spiraling effect. Even though I can see it now, it seems to me that the facade is inspired by a mineral, randomly faceted pattern.

[voltronvc]

Thought i'd make my first post ever on this forum by contributing a photo I just took from Hoboken.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thnewsom/1280685969/

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1212/1280685969_c086c81336_b.jpg

[CarlosV]

wow its a beauty welcome aboard :hi: and dont get banned!!

[RandySavage]

Thought i'd make my first post ever on this forum by contributing a photo I just took from Hoboken.

Great first post.

[aluminum]

Wow dude, you've been here for over 'one and a half' years and now finally decided to give out your first post !
Anyways, great picture.

[CarlosV]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/1280303811_3fbbac7df5_b.jpg

Source: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmarella/

[Scruffy]

From the past week

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee253/scruffy2165/DSC08270.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee253/scruffy2165/DSC08266.jpg

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http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee253/scruffy2165/DSC08273.jpg

[NYguy]

I'm ready for the spire now, so I can give my final judgment. I know I won't be disappointed like I was with the Times Tower.

[aluminum]

^ Why were you disappointed with NYTT, the crown part (which looks unfinished) or the pole ? And has BOA topped out, how tall is it now ?

[CarlosV]

photo by Twipsy

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4706/bofajq6.jpg

[CarlosV]

:)

[NYguy]

^ That's an amazing pic...

[NYguy]

^ Why were you disappointed with NYTT, the crown part (which looks unfinished) or the pole ? And has BOA topped out, how tall is it now ?

I was disappointed with the entire Times Tower...:yuck:

[PhxSprawler]

WOW cool...how many Phoenix foumers are there?? I am planning on visiting again for thanksgiving!!! :eat:



Sorry for the delay... I have been a computer strike during the holiday weekend. :) There are about 15 to 20 regulars that participate in the Phoenix forum. I have not met many of them, but could use an excuse to plan another meet.

[NYguy]

The many faces of BofA...

SEPTEMBER 2, 2007

1.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84986712/large.jpg

2.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84986755/large.jpg

3.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84986822/original.jpg

4-5.
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6.
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14.
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http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84983823/medium.jpg___http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84983926/medium.jpg


15.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84983823/large.jpg

16.
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17.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84987721/large.jpg


Sounds of 6th Avenue...
IKtp1ZjuVkI

[CitySkyline]

:previous: Wow, that huge picture in post # 2054 is AMAZING! :worship:

Did you guys notice the two construction guys standing at the very top? Gives a good perspective of the size of the building!

Also, notice that the elevator doesn't go up to that level, so they have to use ladders to get there! Yup, that's one job I'll never take! :uhh:

[CarlosV]

Sorry for the delay... I have been a computer strike during the holiday weekend. :) There are about 15 to 20 regulars that participate in the Phoenix forum. I have not met many of them, but could use an excuse to plan another meet.

:haha: I hope the strike is over!!!!!

NYC Wednesday September 5, 2007


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture056-1.jpg

:P

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture061-1.jpg

[CarlosV]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture142-2.jpg

[PhxSprawler]

Thanks again for the frequent updates, Carlos!



"You know how I hate the brown word." ;)

[TechTalkGuy]

NYguy - outstanding update! :D

I am currently working on my update (it's going to be huge) from this past weekend.

Keep up the great work, NYguy!! :tup:

[Fabb]

^^Amazing view from Times Square.
Thanks !

[voltronvc]

Just shot this from Hoboken. The crown is taking shape!

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1320/1366249740_da727da9ca_b.jpg

[aluminum]

^^Awesome shot, dude !! Are they workin on the topmost floor now ?

[WonderlandPark]

topped out already? wow.

[RandySavage]

Thanks, Voltron. Great shot. Looks like there could be one more crown segment to add in the north east crown corner - which would make it slightly taller. I like how the northern and southern crown angles align from that angle.

[gt2437]

great shots!

BofA's spire will reach about 158' feet higher then the NYT tower's spire to give a perspective.

[FerrariEnzo]

Having just returned from a visit to the home island for an interview (which went very well!!) I can say I have changed my opinion on this tower. I was ahppy to see the added height but wasnt impressed by what i had seen. In person the glass looks phenominal, the contrast of the lighter and darker colors make for a plaid like effect. I think the lobby and courtyard area will be awesome to see! Very nice building indeed, cant wait to tour it.

[CoolCzech]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1320/1366249740_da727da9ca_b.jpg


The odd thing about this photo is, the BofA's crown already looks better than the NYT building's, even though the NYT's spire is supposedly already finished!

[Muskavon]

The odd thing about this photo is, the BofA's crown already looks better than the NYT building's, even though the NYT's spire is supposedly already finished!


Yeah, they could stop working on the Bofa now, leaving it like it is and the skeleton of unfinished steel would look better than the mess going on atop NYT. Hell they could even leave the crane on top.

[Stephenapolis]

Just shot this from Hoboken. The crown is taking shape!

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1320/1366249740_da727da9ca_b.jpg

That is one amazing picture. Once the facade is all the way up and spire is attached, this vantage point with be breathtaking.

[CarlosV]

September 14, 2007



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture157-1.jpg



:)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture158-1.jpg

[TechTalkGuy]

Just shot this from Hoboken. The crown is taking shape!

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1320/1366249740_da727da9ca_b.jpg

:worship: Wow !! :worship:

[Ghost]

So, is it topped out now? When can we see the spire :)

[TechTalkGuy]

So, is it topped out now? When can we see the spire :)

The steel frame appears "topped out" as we patiently await the remaining elements. :cool:

[Dac151]

I was down there today, actually in 1114 Avenue of the Americas looking right at it along side with Verizon. Both are coimg along well. BofA is really a monster though when you get up close.

[kznyc2k]

A monster it truly is. I gave the USA Construction diagram a quick look-over and, besides the Freedom Tower, there's no other skyscraper going up right now that comes close to equaling the BOA for sheer floor area.

EDIT: Trump Chicago beats this by 400k, so I guess my comment doesn't stand. Still, I think we can safely say that this is the bulkiest tower going up right now.

[Islander]

I noticed the crown for the first time from central park today! Thanks for the close-up pics, guys.

[Nowhereman1280]

A monster it truly is. I gave the USA Construction diagram a quick look-over and, besides the Freedom Tower, there's no other skyscraper going up right now that comes close to equaling the BOA for sheer floor area.

EDIT: Trump Chicago beats this by 400k, so I guess my comment doesn't stand. Still, I think we can safely say that this is the bulkiest tower going up right now.

Well there is also Chicago Spire, which should be on the USA Construction diagram but isn't for some reason...

[TechTalkGuy]

Major Update: 2007

This update includes the following buildings:
New York Times
11 Times Square
1095 Avenue of the Americas
Bank of America
101 Warren Street
Goldman Sachs

This is my major contribution for 2007, so here it is!
O-ibfLQ5AzU
Yes, that's my voice and I composed the music. :banaride:

[CarlosV]

September 18, 2007



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture165.jpg


:)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture160.jpg


:)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture161-1.jpg

[CarlosV]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture166-1.jpg

[CHAPINM1]

Great update as always Pussy Willow!!!

[Dac150]

Next they'll be moving into the glass curtain wall and spire.

I got an upclose look at the lobby last Saturday and it is coming along nicely.

[Stephenapolis]

This is easily my favorite building going up right now. It looks great. Verizon is starting to look better too. It looks better than the rendering, but not as good as the old facade.

[knarfor]

The roof of this building rises to about 881 feet, that's higher than I originally thought it would be.

[Patrick]

Verizon looks like shit, no surprise there. ALTHOUGH, The Bofa Tower looks AWSOME! I was wrong, the Atrium is gone, but it still looks awsome!

[PhxSprawler]

Fantastic pics, Pussy Willow! It is nice to see it all coming together!

[CarlosV]

^
purrrrrrrrrrrrr LOL

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture169-1.jpg

[JMGarcia]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1372/1415178448_202942309c_b.jpg

credit http://www.flickr.com/photos/maccarthy/

[Dac150]

Damn.....that is just amazing!

[TechTalkGuy]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1372/1415178448_202942309c_b.jpg

credit http://www.flickr.com/photos/maccarthy/

JMGarcia, thank you for such an outstanding photo! :tup:

[aluminum]

^^^ Super cool photo !

[TechTalkGuy]

^^^ Super cool photo !

No one does it better than JMGarcia! :yes:

[Alliance]

Wow. BofA actually looks good at night. Great pic!

[StatenIslander237]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1372/1415178448_202942309c_b.jpg

credit http://www.flickr.com/photos/maccarthy/

I'm also going to compliment you on this amazing photo. Impressive work.....omg just think how it'll look when it's complete! :banana:

[TechTalkGuy]

I'm also going to compliment you on this amazing photo. Impressive work.....omg just think how it'll look when it's complete! :banana:

I believe the success of this photo, besides long exposure setting, was the fact that it was taken at a particular time of day when the sky was dark blue - hence you can clearly see the green trees.

The only thing I would do with a photo like this would to slightly enhance the saturation and (possibly) the exposure to compensate (more saturation darkens the image, so adjusting the exposure would equalize that).

However way it was edited - the result is just fascinating. http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/BigSmile.gif

JMGarcia, if you are reading this, what camera did you use for this particular shot http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/q.gifhttp://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/q.gifhttp://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/q.gif