NYguy
Nov 21, 2005, 9:23 PM
It's ironic that it was the NIMBY's who helped push this tower higher because some thought it was too close to their building and would block views.
Given the string of abortive New York projects he’s been through (like the doomed ground-zero theater center), he doesn’t want to publish his design for Beekman Tower “until they’re sure they’re going to build.”
But he showed me the renderings. For a Gehry building, it’s conservative, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing—a classic Manhattan skyscraper with several setbacks. But for a Manhattan high-rise it’s radical, since it will likely be clad in titanium—creased and wrinkled as if it’s a few yards of draped fabric rather than a dozen acres of metal.
The tower will get built, if only because the city needs to build that school - which is already coming in as one of the most expensive. Gehry just needs to release that design.
NYguy
Dec 7, 2005, 1:48 PM
A building mentioned in the first page article of this thread was recently again brought to attention by Gulcrapek at Wired New York.
To requote:
Such considerations no longer seem to matter. The celebrated French architect Christian Portzamparc and Gary Handel, of New York, are currently completing a design for a luxury residential tower farther north at 28th Street and Lexington Avenue, overlooking Madison Square. The tower's faceted glass form will have the sharp edges of a cut diamond.
400 Park Avenue South:
40 storeys; 475 feet
http://www.handelarchitects.com/project/400x300/400ParkLookNorth.jpg
http://www.handelarchitects.com/project/400x300/400parkelev.jpg
http://www.handelarchitects.com/project/400x300/400parkstreet.jpg
http://www.handelarchitects.com/project/400x300/400parkaerial.jpg
This residential tower on Manhattan’s East Side is currently in Design Development and recently won Department of City Planning and Community Board approval. The 40-story tower is comprised of 432 rental apartments ranging from studios to three-bedrooms. A subway entrance and retail space occupy the ground floor, while a fitness club and kids’ center are located on the second floor. The exterior of the building is faceted glass curtainwall.
Handel Architects is designing this project with Atelier Christian de Portzamparc.
By the way, who's keeping tabs on this tower? Maybe it needs to be in its own thread...
I like it.
I'm happy for Portzamparc... if all goes well with this project.
Spooky873
Dec 7, 2005, 7:46 PM
good, its like BOA. more towers like this.
Lecom
Dec 7, 2005, 8:04 PM
By the way, who's keeping tabs on this tower? Maybe it needs to be in its own thread...
I would, but it's too damn far from where I hang around. I used to pass by the site when I went to the bus terminal with my friend from his internship, but now it's too cold to walk that far.
NYguy
Dec 7, 2005, 11:20 PM
By the way, who's keeping tabs on this tower? Maybe it needs to be in its own thread...
I would, but it's too damn far from where I hang around. I used to pass by the site when I went to the bus terminal with my friend from his internship, but now it's too cold to walk that far.
Come on. A little cold never hurt....:sly
I don't think its under construction, I just want a little info or update on the building plans.
JACKinBeantown
Dec 8, 2005, 4:27 PM
By the way, who's keeping tabs on this tower? Maybe it needs to be in its own thread...
I would, but it's too damn far from where I hang around. I used to pass by the site when I went to the bus terminal with my friend from his internship, but now it's too cold to walk that far.
I work in 41 Madison. I'll keep tabs on it. I'm a loser for not having posting capabilities, but I'll report on it verbally.
New thread:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?postid=1747303#post1747303
Daquan13
Dec 8, 2005, 4:44 PM
By the way, who's keeping tabs on this tower? Maybe it needs to be in its own thread...
I would, but it's too damn far from where I hang around. I used to pass by the site when I went to the bus terminal with my friend from his internship, but now it's too cold to walk that far.
Come on. A little cold never hurt....:sly
I don't think its under construction, I just want a little info or update on the building plans.
I won't go back to New York City either until the weather is more milder, like 50 or higher. Maybe in mid spring.
MolsonExport
Dec 8, 2005, 5:37 PM
Great stuff! I am so happy to hear of a skyscraper boom in the world's greatest skyscraper city.
NYguy
Dec 13, 2005, 3:09 PM
Walking by the site a couple of days ago, I realized that the parking lot accross the street (indoor, outdoor) could also become the site of another residential tower. Interesting developments Downtown. Anyway, when Gehry's Beekman tower rises, there'll be a great shot of it from this angle (down Barclay)...
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/53510059/large.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/53510062/large.jpg
GFSNYC
Dec 15, 2005, 4:16 PM
This might've been stated about 10 times before. But if this tower lives up to the hype, lower manhattan will have THE most diverse collection of skyscrapers in the world. Between the new WTC, Calatrava's tower, and this... Add in the post-modern boxes (1 NY Plaza, chase bank), the deco AIG, 40 Wall, the sleek Continental center, and the gothic Woolworth.
A previous post mentioned it resembles the Bloomberg with curves. I love the Bloomberg, and it has quite a presence. I think I can see the it downtown, the setbacks, the deco resemblemce, it works... Best part, it's taller. In a place where I think even a 650ft tower would be easily visible.
Drum roll.... ;)
NYguy
Dec 16, 2005, 1:49 AM
This might've been stated about 10 times before. But if this tower lives up to the hype, lower manhattan will have THE most diverse collection of skyscrapers in the world.
It already has the densest concentration of skyscrapers, and its hard to believe the skyline there is pushing upwards...
Spooky873
Dec 16, 2005, 5:23 AM
is this one good to go?
where would it be in that pic?
hopefully 80 south st gets built.....[thinking of goldman sachs, freedom tower, beekman and 80 south st] i need a bib
lakegz
Dec 16, 2005, 8:32 AM
hey, ill admit, when i think of those towers, i need a kleenex and some place to lay down!:D
NYguy
Dec 16, 2005, 1:36 PM
is this one good to go?
where would it be in that pic?
It's good to go.
In this pic, it would rise in the distance behind the lowrise towers, blocking part of the sky...
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/53510062/large.jpg
-GR2NY-
Dec 16, 2005, 3:05 PM
This might've been stated about 10 times before. But if this tower lives up to the hype, lower manhattan will have THE most diverse collection of skyscrapers in the world.
It already has the densest concentration of skyscrapers, and its hard to believe the skyline there is pushing upwards...
NYguy, is that 100% true? THE densest? I'm not so sure but I'll take your word for it if you really mean it in a literal sense.
-GR2NY-
Dec 16, 2005, 7:08 PM
Dont mean to double post, but does anyone know where to find more photos of midtown taken with the same vantage point?
http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/09/05/arts/skyscraper.slidenine.jpg
some_stupid_nut
Dec 16, 2005, 10:39 PM
Its like Gehrys tower for the New York Times but with angles instead of the curves.
Yeah I think it looks like BOA.
NYguy
Dec 16, 2005, 10:44 PM
NYguy, is that 100% true? THE densest? I'm not so sure but I'll take your word for it if you really mean it in a literal sense.
Yes. There's always the possible exception of Midtown (Grand Central area),
but I believe it still holds true for Downtown Manhattan...
http://www.agentm.com/pics/2004-05-25_NYC/120.jpg__http://www.agentm.com/pics/2004-05-25_NYC/118.jpg
http://www.agentm.com/pics/2004-05-25_NYC/119.jpg__http://www.agentm.com/pics/2004-05-25_NYC/121.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/52437212/original.jpg
knarfor
Dec 17, 2005, 7:13 AM
Alright. I had a little bit of free time tonight, and so I made on of these again.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c43/knarfor/Downtownrendering.jpg
I took a little liberty with the Gehry tower's position to make it stand out a tiny bit more. It is almost right, but if I move to to be exactly right (or what I think is exactly right) it would be surrounded by the Freedom Tower at that angle, and that just doesn't look right. Obviously, the design of the Gehry tower is a stand in. I also added Calatrava's tower just for kicks.
What else should I add, what do the buildings look like, and approximately where do they go? Help me make a downtown proposal rendering!
Daquan13
Dec 17, 2005, 9:59 AM
That one looks nice with the NWTC in the background!
NYguy
Dec 17, 2005, 1:00 PM
Alright. I had a little bit of free time tonight, and so I made on of these again.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c43/knarfor/Downtownrendering.jpg
Very nice! Although I do hate those WTC tower stand ins....word
is Foster will give us something to look at for Tower 2 in the summer...
NYguy
Jan 16, 2006, 5:07 AM
According to some info posted on the wirednewyork.com forum, this tower will have a roof height that tops 900 ft...
NYguy
Feb 11, 2006, 1:19 AM
DOWNTOWN EXPRESS
Mayor cuts funds for new schools
By Ronda Kaysen
The mayor’s budget proposal slashed funding for two Downtown elementary schools slated for construction this year, despite longstanding promises from the city to build the schools. Both schools — a new K-8 elementary school on Beekman St. and an annex for P.S. 234 in Tribeca — were the culmination of months of negotiations between the city and developers over large residential projects Downtown. If neither the new school nor the annex is built, overcrowding at P.S. 234, the neighborhood’s only zoned elementary school, is likely to worsen as 13,000 new units of residential housing come on the market in the next few years.
The K-8 school would have siphoned East Side kids from P.S. 234 to Beekman St. Now, P.S. 234 will absorb all the schoolchildren south of Canal St. and east of West St. Cutting the two schools from the budget is a direct response to the governor’s budget proposal. Mayor Michael Bloomberg said last month that he would cut $1.8 billion for public schools from his capital building plan because Governor George Pataki’s state budget proposal does not provide enough money for city schools. Despite the mayor’s previous statements in support of the two schools, the city now says that until the state provides its portion of the funding for the schools, they will be on hold for the foreseeable future. “
Residents see the mayor’s decision to cut two schools blocks away from the World Trade Center as purely political. “If this is all about politics, playing politics with school children is outrageous and we cannot allow this to happen,” said Community Board 1 chairperson Julie Menin. “We need these schools, and we’re going to fight for them.”
The Doctoroff agreement also pledged to work to create a new K-8 on the East Side of Manhattan. Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver stepped into the negotiations to secure a site for the school at a 75-story mixed-use tower on Beekman St. Construction on the Bruce Ratner-owned Beekman tower, designed by Frank Gehry, will begin in April.
The Lower Manhattan Development Corporation set aside $20 million for the school and the city was expected to foot the remaining $44 million for what will be the most expensive school ever built in New York City.
A year ago this week, Mayor Bloomberg stood in Tweed Courthouse with Schools Chancellor Joel Klein and Speaker Sliver to announce the new 600-seat school. “Building this new school fulfills a promise we have made to the residents of Lower Manhattan and supports our goal of establishing Lower Manhattan as a family-friendly neighborhood,” Bloomberg said in a prepared statement then. Silver gave the mayor an unusually acerbic tongue-lashing Wednesday. “It is unfortunate that the mayor… is now reneging on a commitment seemingly made only to further his bid for reelection,” he said in a prepared statement, adding that he was “deeply troubled” to learn of the decision and anything short of fully restoring the funding “will show total disregard” for the students.
In his State of the City address last month, the mayor advocated more residential growth Downtown, specifically at the World Trade Center site. He made similar comments during his re-election bid last fall. His decision to cut the only new schools slated for the entire neighborhood smacked of a hollow promise, according to several residents.
“How ironic that the mayor is pushing hard for housing to replace some of the office space at the W.T.C. site, while rejecting the additional classrooms necessary as new residents (many presumably with children) move down here,” said C.B. 1 member Bill Love in an e-mail on Wednesday. “Clearly, the mayor’s office does not have a coherent plan for Lower Manhattan.”
The fate of the two schools caught most residents off guard, as it took them nearly a week of sifting through the dense budget proposal before they discovered the funding simply wasn’t there. Once word was out, it spread through the community in a flurry of e-mails and phone calls Tuesday with residents, educators and elected officials all describing the decision as political posturing.
“It is distressing that the city is not going through with its part [of the Doctoroff agreement,]” said C.B. 1 member Albert Capsouto in an e-mail Wednesday. “Seems like the city has decided to marginalize this community board and go back on its promises… unfortunately, this bad faith seems like a pattern for things to come.”
P.S. 234 P.T.A. president Kevin Doherty spent a good deal of time fielding phone calls and e-mails from anxious parents. “There are a lot of upset and rather confused people, frankly,” he said. “It’s very surprising to see something publicly agreed upon taken off the table.”
The neighborhood, known for its fiery and active residents, is gearing up for a fight it assumes it can win. “The constituency is active, affluent movers and shakers,” said P.S. 234 principal Bridges. “I can’t imagine that these schools aren’t going to be built, but we’re going to have to do a lot of kicking and screaming first.”
Islander
Feb 11, 2006, 1:35 AM
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c43/knarfor/Downtownrendering.jpg
Magnificent! Those few new towers will impact/improve the skyline remarkably by adding a significant amount of post-y2k architecture. Lower Manhattan will become even more diverse looking, as others have said.
banned
Feb 11, 2006, 2:05 AM
April, very nice.
Assuming that the funding cut becomes permanent, which it appears not to be yet, would this affect the tower in any way?
CarlosV
Feb 11, 2006, 3:51 AM
YUMMY!!!!!! I LOVE THAT !!!!! this is my new background!!
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c43/knarfor/Downtownrendering.jpg
Chad
Feb 11, 2006, 3:55 AM
Unbelievable....I'm speechless, spectacular result!!
JACKinBeantown
Feb 11, 2006, 4:36 AM
Great job.
SouthPhilly
Feb 11, 2006, 4:50 AM
KUDOS, thats a great shot
Spooky873
Feb 11, 2006, 5:14 AM
wow, if only that Verizon building's facade can be re-done.
that is downtown in ohhh 4 years?
STERNyc
Feb 11, 2006, 5:27 AM
DOWNTOWN EXPRESS
Mayor cuts funds for new schools
By Ronda Kaysen
The mayor’s budget proposal slashed funding for two Downtown elementary schools slated for construction this year, despite longstanding promises from the city to build the schools. Both schools — a new K-8 elementary school on Beekman St. and an annex for P.S. 234 in Tribeca — were the culmination of months of negotiations between the city and developers over large residential projects Downtown. If neither the new school nor the annex is built, overcrowding at P.S. 234, the neighborhood’s only zoned elementary school, is likely to worsen as 13,000 new units of residential housing come on the market in the next few years.
The K-8 school would have siphoned East Side kids from P.S. 234 to Beekman St. Now, P.S. 234 will absorb all the schoolchildren south of Canal St. and east of West St. Cutting the two schools from the budget is a direct response to the governor’s budget proposal. Mayor Michael Bloomberg said last month that he would cut $1.8 billion for public schools from his capital building plan because Governor George Pataki’s state budget proposal does not provide enough money for city schools. Despite the mayor’s previous statements in support of the two schools, the city now says that until the state provides its portion of the funding for the schools, they will be on hold for the foreseeable future. “
Residents see the mayor’s decision to cut two schools blocks away from the World Trade Center as purely political. “If this is all about politics, playing politics with school children is outrageous and we cannot allow this to happen,” said Community Board 1 chairperson Julie Menin. “We need these schools, and we’re going to fight for them.”
The Doctoroff agreement also pledged to work to create a new K-8 on the East Side of Manhattan. Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver stepped into the negotiations to secure a site for the school at a 75-story mixed-use tower on Beekman St. Construction on the Bruce Ratner-owned Beekman tower, designed by Frank Gehry, will begin in April.
The Lower Manhattan Development Corporation set aside $20 million for the school and the city was expected to foot the remaining $44 million for what will be the most expensive school ever built in New York City.
A year ago this week, Mayor Bloomberg stood in Tweed Courthouse with Schools Chancellor Joel Klein and Speaker Sliver to announce the new 600-seat school. “Building this new school fulfills a promise we have made to the residents of Lower Manhattan and supports our goal of establishing Lower Manhattan as a family-friendly neighborhood,” Bloomberg said in a prepared statement then. Silver gave the mayor an unusually acerbic tongue-lashing Wednesday. “It is unfortunate that the mayor… is now reneging on a commitment seemingly made only to further his bid for reelection,” he said in a prepared statement, adding that he was “deeply troubled” to learn of the decision and anything short of fully restoring the funding “will show total disregard” for the students.
In his State of the City address last month, the mayor advocated more residential growth Downtown, specifically at the World Trade Center site. He made similar comments during his re-election bid last fall. His decision to cut the only new schools slated for the entire neighborhood smacked of a hollow promise, according to several residents.
“How ironic that the mayor is pushing hard for housing to replace some of the office space at the W.T.C. site, while rejecting the additional classrooms necessary as new residents (many presumably with children) move down here,” said C.B. 1 member Bill Love in an e-mail on Wednesday. “Clearly, the mayor’s office does not have a coherent plan for Lower Manhattan.”
The fate of the two schools caught most residents off guard, as it took them nearly a week of sifting through the dense budget proposal before they discovered the funding simply wasn’t there. Once word was out, it spread through the community in a flurry of e-mails and phone calls Tuesday with residents, educators and elected officials all describing the decision as political posturing.
“It is distressing that the city is not going through with its part [of the Doctoroff agreement,]” said C.B. 1 member Albert Capsouto in an e-mail Wednesday. “Seems like the city has decided to marginalize this community board and go back on its promises… unfortunately, this bad faith seems like a pattern for things to come.”
P.S. 234 P.T.A. president Kevin Doherty spent a good deal of time fielding phone calls and e-mails from anxious parents. “There are a lot of upset and rather confused people, frankly,” he said. “It’s very surprising to see something publicly agreed upon taken off the table.”
The neighborhood, known for its fiery and active residents, is gearing up for a fight it assumes it can win. “The constituency is active, affluent movers and shakers,” said P.S. 234 principal Bridges. “I can’t imagine that these schools aren’t going to be built, but we’re going to have to do a lot of kicking and screaming first.”
This is very bad news. The tower will have to be redesigned and when it comes up for approval it will no longer have the school and thus the community support it needs...
NYguy
Feb 11, 2006, 12:34 PM
This is very bad news. The tower will have to be redesigned and when it comes up for approval it will no longer have the school and thus the community support it needs...
Its still got the hospital, and they at least will be happy. I'm not concerned about this tower though, its the second school that potentially may be dropped. But everyone believes Bloomberg will restore the funding. Ratner has already been given some funds by the school construction authority. We'll see how it plays out.
NYguy
Feb 11, 2006, 12:36 PM
April, very nice.
Assuming that the funding cut becomes permanent, which it appears not to be yet, would this affect the tower in any way?
At the most, the school would be dropped from the design. The hospital would be pleased, and the lower portion would have to be reconfigured. It would lead to a delay in the construction though.
NYguy
Feb 11, 2006, 1:02 PM
Bloomberg says he is determined to see that Lower Manhattan becomes more of a 24-hour community with new residents, but he must know that means more school space somewhere...
DOWNTOWN EXPRESS (editorial)
Don’t use school children as pawns
It’s hard to imagine how anyone could eclipse Gov. George Pataki’s policy of contempt for New York City school children, but Mayor Mike Bloomberg may have done the near impossible two weeks ago when he removed the money to build two essential Downtown school projects – a new K-8 on Beekman St. and a school annex for overcrowded P.S. 234 in Tribeca.
The mayor had staged public events to announce both projects and we assume he will reverse his decision after he plays his game of chicken with the governor, but using Downtown children as political pawns is not only reprehensible on its face, it undercuts Bloomberg’s legitimate case for equitable school funding from Albany.
“Building this new school fulfills a promise we have made to the residents of Lower Manhattan,” Bloomberg said in a prepared statement Feb. 4, 2005 – the day he announced an agreement with developer Bruce Ratner and Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver to build a 600-seat school on Beekman St. It is part of a residential project being designed by architect Frank Gehry.
Bloomberg had already identified $44 million of city capital money for the school and the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation has since pledged the additional $20 million that may be needed. Ratner said he will pick up any possible cost overruns. The mayor knew at the time he was in the middle of a long, difficult fight for fair funding from the governor and did not make his promise to build a school dependent on state money.
A state judge ruled Pataki is under-funding city children by $5 billion a year and the governor shows no interest in correcting the inequities. He spent tax money on lawyers to argue that he is not responsible for educating children after the eighth grade instead of using the money to help schools. He just announced tax cuts we can’t afford instead of using it for education.
Bloomberg has plenty of compelling arguments to make in Albany without threatening projects he has already agreed to do.
By halting two projects that will relieve Downtown’s school overcrowding problems, Bloomberg completely undercuts his push to build more housing at the World Trade Center site and other parts of Lower Manhattan – which is already the city’s fastest growing area. Thousands of new residential units continue to open Downtown, and it’s pretty simple: more residents mean more students. The mayor’s action makes a bad situation worse.
The agreement to build the P.S. 234 school annex is intricately tied to the sale of city land to developer Scott Resnick to build an apartment tower on Site 5C directly to the west of P.S. 234. This project underwent public review and Dep. Mayor Dan Doctoroff also signed a letter to Councilmember Alan Gerson agreeing to the annex.
If this dickering delays either school project by even a month or two, it could have the effect of exacerbating the problem by a year because of all the complications involved in making major school changes in the middle of the year.
If the mayor wants to fight harder for the city’s fair share, we’re behind him. If he’s in the mood to play Texas hold ‘em over this, fine, but Downtown’s children are not chips to be thrown into the pot.
giallo
Feb 11, 2006, 2:43 PM
New York is looking downright kick ass in that rendering. It may take top spot for me in the coming years.
SJPhillyBoy
Feb 11, 2006, 2:50 PM
knarfor, Beyond EXCELLENT job on that future skyline rendering!!
CarlosV
Feb 11, 2006, 3:35 PM
wow, that is downtown in ohhh 4 years?
more like 10 years from now! :( if they get their asses off the floor and start building something there,.....
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c43/knarfor/Downtownrendering.jpg
knarfor
Feb 12, 2006, 3:35 AM
Thanks all! I appreciate it. :)
I really don't like the mayor's decision regarding the schools. It's all been said already. How can he square his push for more residential life downtown, and this funding cut for badly needed downtown schools? How could he think this would come off as anything but political BS'ing is beyond me.
JBinCalgary
Feb 12, 2006, 4:00 AM
the new york skyline just keeps getting better and better!
it would have been nice to see the gehry NY times tower built. it would have really revitalized that area
Jularc
Feb 12, 2006, 4:05 AM
Just an amazing work knarfor! Thanks for your effort to placing this great renderings! :tup:
NYguy
Feb 12, 2006, 7:38 PM
it would have been nice to see the gehry NY times tower built. it would have really revitalized that area
Build Times tower Downtown? Perhaps it would have been nice. But we've got the Gehry, Calatrava, and Goldman towers coming. Not to mention the towering WTC towers (including Foster's).....
NYguy
Feb 13, 2006, 9:03 PM
construction.com
Forest City Ratner Begins to Push the Design Envelope
by Alex Padalka
When it first began its real estate development efforts two decades ago, Forest City Ratner Cos. made its name with standard, profitable projects - shopping malls, movie theaters, and office buildings that while functional and practical, did not break architectural ground.
That changed in 2001 when the developer joined forces with the New York Times Co. to design the newspaper's new headquarters building that would also house speculative office space for Forest City. They hired a world-famous architect - Italy's Renzo Piano - to design his first building in New York City.
The 53-story tower will be the first in New York to use a ceramic rod sheathing on its curtain wall. It also will have more exposed structural steel than any other New York skyscraper. Piano designed the 1.6-million-sq.-ft. tower in collaboration with FXFowle Architects of New York.
Then in late 2003, Forest City hired a famous American architect, Frank Gehry, to design its $3.5 billion Atlantic Yards complex that will feature a glass-walled 20,000-seat basketball arena and 17 commercial and residential towers in downtown Brooklyn. Gehry released an initial conceptual design in 2004, but Forest City has since changed the scope, adding more residential space. Gehry's new design is expected this year.
Gehry is also architect on Forest City Ratner's 1-million-sq.-ft., 75-story Beekman Tower, a mixed-use project set to break ground this year in Manhattan.
Here's a look at the two architects:
* Renzo Piano, Italian, 1998 Pritzker Architecture Prize winner
Best known for his co-design, with Richard Rogers, of the 1977 Centre George Pompidou in Paris, where the steel beams and a large part of the piping is placed outside of the building in primary colors.
Best known in the United States for museum designs, such as the 1986 Menil Collection Museum in Houston and the 2003 Nasher Sculpture Center in Dallas.
Hired to design the Pierpont Morgan Library expansion and renovation in Midtown Manhattan, which is slated to open to the public this spring. The project added three new buildings aboveground and an underground performance space, connecting them to three existing structures on an extremely tight site.
Designed the proposed London Bridge Tower, a 66-story office building that would be Western Europe's tallest skyscraper.
* Frank Gehry, American, 1989 Pritzker Architecture Prize winner
Best known for undulating metal-covered shapes covering buildings, epitomized in his design for the Guggenheim Museum in Bilbao, Spain, which opened in 1997, and a line of corrugated cardboard furniture designed in the 1970s.
Projects in the United States include: the Walt Disney Concert hall in downtown Los Angeles, which opened in 2003; the Experience Music Project in Seattle, a museum of music history opened in 2000 and founded by Paul Allen, the Microsoft cofounder and current owner of the Portland Trailblazers basketball franchise and the Seattle Seahawks football franchise; and Gehry House, his private residence in Santa Monica, Calif., completed in 1978.
Projects in New York include the exotic Condé Nast cafeteria at 4 Times Square in Manhattan, completed in 2000; the Issey Miyake store in Tribeca, completed in 2001; and the InterActiveCorp Headquarters in Chelsea, currently under construction.
Spooky873
Feb 13, 2006, 9:22 PM
is there a rendering out yet for it?
NYguy
Feb 14, 2006, 12:53 AM
is there a rendering out yet for it?
Gehry hasn't made anything public.
Spooky873
Feb 14, 2006, 1:48 AM
what a douche
Hoodrat
Feb 14, 2006, 2:06 AM
:haha:
FunkyTown
Feb 14, 2006, 7:07 AM
If it's going to start construction this year than hopefully we will see a rendering soon.But yeah I'm getting really impatient too.:uhh:
NYguy
Feb 14, 2006, 11:40 AM
If it's going to start construction this year than hopefully we will see a rendering soon.But yeah I'm getting really impatient too.:uhh:
Gehry has his reasons...
next spring, construction should begin on the first Gehry skyscraper on the planet, a 74-story apartment tower (plus hospital and school) just south of the Brooklyn Bridge. Given the string of abortive New York projects he’s been through (like the doomed ground-zero theater center), he doesn’t want to publish his design for Beekman Tower “until they’re sure they’re going to build.”
But he showed me the renderings. For a Gehry building, it’s conservative, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing—a classic Manhattan skyscraper with several setbacks. But for a Manhattan high-rise it’s radical, since it will likely be clad in titanium—creased and wrinkled as if it’s a few yards of draped fabric rather than a dozen acres of metal.
FunkyTown
Feb 15, 2006, 4:44 PM
I guess that's understandable.I would rather not see the design until it is confirmed.But from that description it does seem incredible.I hope the wait is worth it.
JACKinBeantown
Feb 15, 2006, 5:40 PM
Sounds pretty cool.
NYguy
Feb 15, 2006, 8:06 PM
I guess that's understandable.I would rather not see the design until it is confirmed.But from that description it does seem incredible.I hope the wait is worth it.
All indications are that it will be. But look at the recent news of the city cutting the budget for the school construction there. If the school has to pull out of the project, we are looking at yet another redesign of the base. (Gehry was to design the "shell" of the school while anotherschool architect designed the actual interior).
The wait is driving me insane though...
Thefigman
Feb 16, 2006, 12:37 AM
The wait is driving me insane though...
You aren't alone. :(
Wild Onion Mike
Feb 17, 2006, 6:04 AM
YUMMY!!!!!! I LOVE THAT !!!!! this is my new background!!
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c43/knarfor/Downtownrendering.jpg
Now that looks amazing! It may take some time to be finally realized, but the result will be worth the wait. :tup: Great work on the renderng BTW.
Spooky873
Feb 17, 2006, 6:56 AM
I doubt all those Libeskind towers will look like that, and I sure hope not.
knarfor
Feb 17, 2006, 6:59 AM
^You're correct. They will not look anything like that; those are simply place-holders. Each building is being designed by a different architect. Right now Lord Foster is working on Tower 2.
Thank you Wild Onion Mike.
Spooky873
Feb 17, 2006, 7:03 AM
THANK GOD. Keep in mind also that Goldman Sachs will appear at the same height to the right of 7WTC.
NYguy
Feb 17, 2006, 1:05 PM
Now that looks amazing! It may take some time to be finally realized, but the result will be worth the wait. :tup: Great work on the renderng BTW.
Imagine that view with the Calatrava designed gondola system included...
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/02/16/nyregion/gondola583.jpg
NYguy
Feb 17, 2006, 1:21 PM
downtown express
Quinn, Downtown parents press Gerson on mayor’s school cuts
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Mayor Bloomberg was in Lower Manhattan’s Battery Gardens restaurant Wednesday for an announcement about Governors Island.
By Ronda Kaysen
Alan Gerson is stuck between a rock and a City Council speaker when it comes to funding two new Downtown elementary schools.
City Councilmember Alan Gerson tempered his criticisms of the mayor after City Council Speaker Christine Quinn voiced her support for Bloomberg’s decision to delay 21 school construction projects until the state kicks in money owed the city.
The only Manhattan schools on the list – a new K-8 on Beekman St. and an annex for P.S. 234 in Tribeca – sit squarely in Gerson’s district. Both schools were part of an agreement brokered between Deputy Mayor Daniel Doctoroff and developers to build new schools in exchange for selling public land to residential developers. Gerson signed and negotiated the 2004 agreement.
When word trickled out last week that funding was not included for the two schools, Gerson and residents lashed out at Mayor Michael Bloomberg. “It is pure politics that the mayor is singling out these two schools,” Gerson told Downtown Express last week, describing the mayor’s actions as “disingenuous” and the actions of both the mayor and governor as “disgusting.”
On Wednesday, after a day of meetings with Speaker Quinn, Gerson had revised his position on the mayor. “We’re all united,” he told Downtown Express. Bloomberg “is right about demanding the full $6 billion from the governor, he’s wrong about putting these two schools on the chopping block. There’s no contradiction.”
A six-classroom P.S. 234 annex was explicitly included in the agreement, which said it would open concurrently with Site 5B, a development slated to open in 2007. The new annex would have alleviated crowding at a school that is already at 120 percent capacity and will soon be further burdened by 700 new residential units created by the agreement. The agreement also said, “the city has provided $44 million in the Dept. of Education Capital Plan to develop a new school for grades pre-K-8 in Lower Manhattan.” It said nothing about those funds being contingent upon the state budget.
Last February, a site for a new pre-K-8 was secured inside a 75-story Bruce Ratner mixed-use tower. The mayor attended the February press conference and personally endorsed the school. He released a statement saying the deal fulfilled a “promise” to Downtown residents.
Speaker Quinn stood with Bloomberg, Schools Chancellor Joel Klein and United Federation of Teachers President Randi Weingarten at a Monday afternoon press conference and pledged to send “a unified message to Albany.”
“The city of New York is sick and tired of waiting and we are not going to wait any longer,” Quinn said at the press conference. “If we don’t get the money that we deserve then the cuts that the mayor is talking about may be a reality.”
According to Bloomberg, the city cannot fund the critical construction projects until the state starts to make good on a court ruling ordering it to pay $5.6 billion a year in operating expenses to city schools and a lump sum of $9 billion for school construction. The court order has been stayed pending an appeal and the governor claims the city is already getting all of the money it is owed.
Local residents have grown increasingly angry with the mayor in recent days. On Thursday, a group of P.S. 234 parents plans to protest a city-organized groundbreaking for Site 5B in Tribeca, the residential development that is scheduled to open in conjunction with the P.S. 234 annex. The mayor, Speaker Sheldon Silver and Gerson are scheduled to attend the 12:30 p.m. event at St. John’s University on Murray St.
Gerson voiced his support for parents protesting the event, and said none had asked him to boycott it. He sees no conflict with attending the groundbreaking with a mayor who has not followed through on part of the agreement. “The groundbreaking is strictly ceremonial. I don’t think there is anything to be gained by postponing the groundbreaking,” he said, however, “If we have to postpone the project, we will have opportunities to do so.”
In the bizarre balancing act that is city politics, Gerson is both attending the groundbreaking with the mayor and considering litigation to force him to make good on his part of the agreement.
The mayor gave no indication that the development might be stalled until the schools could be built. “We don’t have the right to say to somebody that they can’t” build, Bloomberg said. “If they have a building permit they can do it.”
Parents see the groundbreaking as a symbolic example of a broken promise, calling Bloomberg a “liar” in their press release and dubbing the event a “promise-breaking.”
“A lot of the parents and kids feel like they’re pawns in the mayor’s game,” said P.S. 234 P.T.A. president Kevin Doherty. “It really is a game. The mayor agreed in writing and now he’s going back on his word.”
The political battle over the money is shaping up to be a fierce one. Last week, Speaker Silver, who played a key role in securing the Beekman St. site for the East Side K-8, said in a statement that the mayor “is now reneging on a commitment seemingly made only to further his bid for reelection.”
At the Monday press conference, Bloomberg ratcheted up his rhetoric against the State, laying blame with Governor Pataki, Speaker Silver and Majority Leader Joe Bruno. “All [Silver] has got to do is come through with the money,” the mayor said. The promise to build a new 630-seat school on Beekman St. “is not a hollow promise and you can tell Shelly [Silver] that our commitment was contingent on the state doing what was right.”
The state speaker, however, “stands exactly where he stood last week and last year. He will fight to ensure that the funding is available,” said Silver spokesperson Charles Carrier.
Local residents are lining up with Silver—not Bloomberg—on the issue. Community Board 1 Chairperson Julie Menin met with the Speaker last Friday and secured his support. “He assured me unequivocally that the schools will be built,” she said.
The community was never informed that funding for the schools might be in doubt and Bloomberg’s sudden reversal has put the community’s trust with the city into question. “There was never a question that these schools were going to get built. For these schools to be put in jeopardy is really wrong,” said Menin. “This is very upsetting and it’s playing politics with the kids and it’s flat wrong and we’re not going to stand for it.”
The $64-million Beekman St. school has already secured $20 million in funding from the Lower Manhattan Development Corp. Gerson worries L.M.D.C. funds are at risk if the school is delayed. “The City Council will recognize that we don’t want to lose $20 million in L.M.D.C. funding, which will be a loss for the entire city,” he said.
L.M.D.C. has given no indication that it will renege on the money. “L.M.D.C. money is committed and will be available when the project moves forward,” L.M.D.C. spokesperson John Gallagher wrote in an e-mail to Downtown Express.
In the coming days, Gerson will continue to walk the tightrope of city politics. On Friday, he plans to hold a press conference on the steps of City Hall with Speaker Silver, Speaker Quinn and Community Board 1 about the schools.
Menin said she asked the mayor about the school money Wednesday and he told her to call the governor.
STERNyc
Mar 9, 2006, 5:28 AM
Downtown Express:
Sheldon Silver Calls for Schools Chancellor Joel Klein's Removal
By Ronda Kaysen
State Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver has called for Schools Chancellor Joel Klein to apologize for his comments about funding cuts to two new Downtown schools and has called on the mayor to consider replacing him.
“The mayor ought to seriously think about replacing the chancellor who outright lies,” Silver told Downtown Express in a telephone interview Wednesday. “I'm calling for him to apologize for speaking about what is clearly untrue.”
Last month, Mayor Michael Bloomberg announced that 21 city schools were being cut from the city's capital budget because of a lack of funding from the state and another 68 were in danger of being cut. The two Manhattan schools on the list, a K-8 planned for Beekman St. and a new annex for P.S. 234 in Tribeca, were part of an agreement between the community and developers signed by Deputy Mayor Daniel Doctoroff and City Councilmember Alan Gerson. The agreement promised the schools in exchange for selling public land to private developers to build high rise residential developments and set aside $44 million in the Dept. of Education's capital budget for the Beekman school.
P.S. 234, the neighborhood's only zoned elementary school east of West St. is already at 120 percent capacity as the area braces for 13,000 new residential units in the next five years.
Klein told Downtown Express last week that the money was always dependent on state funding and the $44 million had been spent on other school projects. “It's a written contract, he [Klein] is an attorney, he's setting a poor example for the children,” said Silver. “The best thing he can do is be silent when the mayor is playing a political game.”
The schools' funding has been a characterized as a highly political fight between the city and the state. The state has failed to deliver a court ordered payout from a Campaign for Fiscal Equity lawsuit of $5.6 billion a year in operational funds and a one-time payment of $9 billion in capital funds to city schools. The mayor also insists that the state's capital budget has not included Dept. of Education capital funding for the past two years, amounting to a $1.8 billion shortfall in the city's budget.
“Chancellor Klein is as eager as Speaker Silver to have these schools built,” said Stephen Morello, a Dept. of Ed. spokesperson, in response to Silver's comments. “He said nothing that I'm aware of to contradict the agreement for Downtown development that includes the schools. He merely pointed out that the capital funding has always depended on a match from the state government.”
The mayor has singled out Silver, Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno and Governor George Pataki in his attacks. The schools Bloomberg selected are in key legislative districts, with the two Downtown schools sitting squarely in Silver's district. A source in the mayor's office told Downtown Express that the Downtown schools were selected to get Silver's attention. Originally, Bloomberg intended to cut funding for 23 schools, but shortly before the cuts were announced, the mayor pulled two Brooklyn schools from the list, and Silver pointed out they are in State Senator Martin Golden's district, a Republican who supported Bloomberg's bid for reelection.
Last week, Bruno described the judge's C.F.E. ruling as “lunacy,” indicating that he has no intentions of delivering the money. Bloomberg aides had previously hinted that the mayor, a Republican, might support Democratic Senate candidates to unseat Bruno. But the mayor appears to be making headway with Bruno, confirming earlier this week that he and the majority leader met privately to discuss the issue. He also indicated that he intends to support Bruno in his reelection bid.
Bloomberg will meet privately with Silver on Wednesday evening, the speaker told Downtown Express.
Silver met with Manhattan Borough President Scott Stringer to discuss filing a lawsuit to halt the residential developments tied to the two Downtown schools. “If the mayor is backing out of paying the contract price then the whole contract shouldn't go forward,” he said.
The $64 million K-8 on Beekman St. will be housed in a 75-story mixed-use tower owned by developer Bruce Ratner. Silver negotiated the deal with Bloomberg and Ratner to secure the 98,000-sq. ft., 4-story site. Silver has been in discussions with Ratner to keep the space available.
“He [Ratner] has the ability to push the school out of the property if there's no contract signed,” said Silver. “I have asked him to hold on and watch this play out. So far he has agreed. The question is how long will it play out?”
“We're continuing to work on the Beekman project and we're hopeful that things will work out with the school,” said Michele de Milly, a spokesperson for Forest City Ratner, Bruce Ratner's development firm. The school issue has not yet impacted the construction schedule for the Frank Gehry designed building, which is slated to break ground next month.
Bloomberg recently backed away from focusing on the C.F.E. payout, which is still tied up in the courts. At a press conference last week, he stressed he was focusing on capital funds, not the C.F.E. funds. “What 21 schools?” Bloomberg asked a Downtown Express reporter in response to a question about the schools. The lawsuit, Bloomberg said, will see another decision in a few months; but whichever side wins will appeal, meaning the process could drag on for a few more years, he noted. “What we're talking about here is capital funds, which has nothing to do with the C.F.E. lawsuit,” he told reporters at the Dept. of Veterans Affairs on Houston St.
Silver thinks the mayor should focus his efforts to secure the C.F.E. funds. “To this day, the mayor has refused to publicly ask the governor not to appeal the C.F.E. decision,” said Silver. Two years ago, the state Assembly passed legislation in its budget to deliver $6.1 billion in operating aid and $1.3 billion in capital funds to the city. Neither the state Senate nor the governor supported the initiative and the mayor did not come out in support of the Assembly's initiative at the time.
“The mayor was nowhere to be found to ratify their decision,” said Silver. “He doesn't want to recognize that he's a Johnny Come Lately.”
Bloomberg is continuing his effort to rally the public behind his call for state funding, dispatching his supporters to the 19 community boards with schools on the chopping block.
“Most New Yorkers don't hesitate to speak their mind, but if you want to find the most outspoken advocates in any given neighborhood, go to a community board meeting,” said Stu Loeser, a spokesperson for the mayor, in a statement. Dep. Mayor Dennis Walcott will attend Community Board 1 meeting on March 21 at 6 p.m. at P.S. 89 on Warren and West Sts.
C.B. 1 is eager to have the opportunity to address the mayor's office. “It's very important for him to hear directly from the parents,” said C.B. 1 chairperson Julie Menin. “Parents are very distressed about this issue.”
Downtown Express:
the Frank Gehry designed building, which is slated to break ground next month.
I'm starting to think that the design will be released after the ground breaking.
Annoying.
NYguy
Mar 9, 2006, 12:58 PM
“He [Ratner] has the ability to push the school out of the property if there's no contract signed,” said Silver. “I have asked him to hold on and watch this play out. So far he has agreed. The question is how long will it play out?”
“We're continuing to work on the Beekman project and we're hopeful that things will work out with the school,” said Michele de Milly, a spokesperson for Forest City Ratner, Bruce Ratner's development firm. The school issue has not yet impacted the construction schedule for the Frank Gehry designed building, which is slated to break ground next month.
Remember, the school was a latecomer into this project. The tower will move on without it.
Jularc
May 23, 2006, 12:25 PM
DOWNTOWN TOWER PLAN
May 23, 2006
THE Frank Gehry-designed project that Forest City Ratner is developing on the NYU Beekman Downtown Hospital parking lot is starting to shape up.
The tower's just-revealed 876-foot height will top off as the tallest City Hall area structure - yes, taller than the nearby venerable 792-foot Woolworth Building. Nevertheless, despite earlier reports, it will be shorter than all the new buildings at ground zero.
It will be taller, however, than the 740-foot Goldman Sachs headquarters being designed by Pei Cobb Freed & Partners at the World Financial Center in Battery Park City.
Plans just refiled with the Dept. of Buildings call for a 75-story building with residences above a new public school whose funding has been in doubt.
The 1.147-million foot project is being built in the middle of the block bounded on three sides by Nassau, Beekman, Spruce and Gold Streets. For all you development junkies out there, you can follow its progress on the DOB Web site with an 8 Spruce St. address.
The most intriguing nugget is a triplex unit at the top that will become one of the highest residences in the city. While it will share part of the 72nd floor with two other units, it will encompass the entire 73rd and 74th floors as well.
You can be sure its eventual price and occupant - Bruce Ratner or not - will end up being widely reported in the coming years.
These residences will all have unobstructed views of City Hall - and should we dare to say it - likely cast shadows on the park during a brief portion of some days.
Along with lobbies for each use, the first four floors host a school cafeteria, classrooms, a gymnasium and a library.
Medical offices for the hospital next door take up the fifth floor. The sixth is reserved for mechanicals such as the elevators. But above it is a pool on a building setback on the seventh floor, along with two community rooms for 150 people each.
The midsection includes what will likely be smaller luxury rental apartments - between 17 to19 units per floor.
Starting at the 37th floor, the sprawling condos take over with eight per floor. At the 44th floor, the count changes to four apartments, plus a gym and community room - which does not really mean open to anyone but the condo community. There are five units per floor from the 49th through 70th floors, three on 71 and then two plus the bottom of that triplex on 72.
Although no renderings have been released, it is likely that the top will taper gradually and that, unlike the uptown Trump World Tower, the upper floors won't be the same size as the lower ones.
Gehry's spirited and wavy designs are slowly taking shape as buildable ones for Forest City's other huge project in Brooklyn for the Nets and Atlantic Yards.
A Forest City spokesperson was unaware of the details and had no comment.
Copyright 2006 NYP Holdings, Inc.
CoolCzech
May 23, 2006, 12:39 PM
well, well, well... only 876 feet for Gehry's new tower, huh?
Still pretty darn tall in my book, but it's really interesting how New York seems to have a built-in inertia against extravagantly tall buildings (unlike Chicago, for instance). 876 feet should still have a serious impact on the skyline of lower Manhattan, though. That comes to only 265.45 meters, so time to relocate the Beekman tower 5 slots to the right on the New York City diagram...
Fabb
May 23, 2006, 3:53 PM
Gehry's spirited and wavy designs are slowly taking shape as buildable ones.
So, nothing extravagant is to be expected here...
New York Yankee
May 23, 2006, 5:40 PM
The skyline as in my render is made with towers of around 1300 - 1200 and 1100 feet. This is maybe how it will lookslike when the design of the other towers is completed. And look at the hight.. pretty cool!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/jimboholland/Downtownrendering2.jpg
Antares41
May 23, 2006, 5:45 PM
^ Maybe a tad too high but if 876ft is the height of the penthouse-like residence then any other mechanical room, water tower structure, etc. could easily push total height over slightly over 900ft.
Busy Bee
May 23, 2006, 8:56 PM
http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006_05_curbedgehry1.jpg
Jularc
May 23, 2006, 9:16 PM
Yes! I love it! It is Gehry alright... :tup:
http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006_05_curbedgehry2.jpg
http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006_05_curbedgehry3.jpg
sentinel
May 23, 2006, 10:10 PM
Yes! I love it! It is Gehry alright... :tup:
http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006_05_curbedgehry2.jpg
http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006_05_curbedgehry3.jpg
Yikes!
ThreeHundred
May 23, 2006, 10:44 PM
I'm jealous of you New York. First Atlantic Yard and now this? That is a beautiful tower.
I hope the iconic tower in Los Angeles he's designing will have Gehryisms.
Stephenapolis
May 24, 2006, 12:03 AM
I love that design!!!
I am really liking his style lately.
MONACO
May 24, 2006, 1:09 AM
To be perfectly honest, I was hoping for something taller. With all of the hype that this building has generated, I expected something over 1000 feet. The tower itself is nice, yet it is just a little too common looking for me. Frankly, I think NYC deserves better!:(
bayrider
May 24, 2006, 1:17 AM
Ghery should stop designing buildings, period. It's interesting, but thats about it.
Isn't 876ft a bit short for a 75 story tower? Thats less than 11.5ft per floor, not including an atrium, mechanical floors or a taller base.
CoolCzech
May 24, 2006, 1:31 AM
This is a Gehry design I can like: it's got his signature style, but its more sane than what I've seen of his Brooklyn project... this tower is truly sculptural.
So Gehry, do curvilinear design much? (ha, ha)
CoolCzech
May 24, 2006, 1:50 AM
The skyline as in my render is made with towers of around 1300 - 1200 and 1100 feet. This is maybe how it will lookslike when the design of the other towers is completed. And look at the hight.. pretty cool!
- Alas, it won't be: check out my post of the email I just received from the Wall Street Journal in the Freedom Tower thread. Tower 2 will be between 1,000 feet to 1,150 feet; Tower 3 will be between 950 to 1,050 feet; Tower 4 will be between 900 to 1,000 feet.
Spooky873
May 24, 2006, 2:03 AM
876' is fine, im just glad that downtown is back.
Goldman Sachs, Gehry Tower, Freedom Tower, WTC 2,3,4...
wow..
CoolCzech
May 24, 2006, 3:10 AM
Hey, I just realized something... 876 feet plus the height of WTC 5 - 900 feet - add up to 1,776 feet... (theme of the Twilight Zone begins to play in the background)
;)
Daquan13
May 24, 2006, 3:20 AM
Add up all the of the combined heights of the towers, and you'd have something that's taller than any known tower to date if they were built as one tower!
New York Yankee
May 24, 2006, 3:24 PM
Allright, i've made another one. This is also good!
edit.
CGII
May 24, 2006, 5:29 PM
I know a lot of you don't like Gehry, especially not in New York, but this tower just works. This is the kind of ground breaking but not spotlight stealing sculpture that will really help propel downtown into its revolution.
knarfor
May 24, 2006, 8:53 PM
Allright, i've made another one. This is also good!
If you are going to use my renderings of 80 South Street and my made-up Gehry drawing, you need to credit me, please.
knarfor
May 24, 2006, 9:16 PM
http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006_05_curbedgehry1.jpg
I've never drawn anything like that. Wish me luck!
Daquan13
May 25, 2006, 1:30 AM
Looks unbuildable.
phillyskyline
May 25, 2006, 1:51 AM
Those are some sweet renderings, I hope they look just as good when they are constructed!
Spooky873
May 25, 2006, 1:54 AM
turning out better than expected. alot better
CGII
May 25, 2006, 2:31 AM
Looks unbuildable.
Knowing the history of your posts, I fear you may be serious...
Fabb
May 25, 2006, 12:01 PM
It's not the only recent design with undulating facade. Aqua tower is Chicago's version of the new fluid architecture.
I bet there'll be more in the near future.
New York Yankee
May 25, 2006, 1:58 PM
If you are going to use my renderings of 80 South Street and my made-up Gehry drawing, you need to credit me, please.
Then you need to credit SOM, because it's they have the copyright of the picture.
donybrx
May 25, 2006, 2:25 PM
It (Gehry design) is interesting & looks like it could have been a collaboration by Edvard Munch and Claes Oldenburg......yet,overall as though inspired by the melting of the Twin Towers.....I find it a little creepy on that basis.....
knarfor
May 25, 2006, 5:06 PM
I wonder why the model has a greenish hue to it. It's not actually going to be green is it? I hope not. I'm not a big fan of green skyscrapers.
Then you need to credit SOM, because it's they have the copyright of the picture.
I left the SOM copyright on the bottom of the image so everyone can see that it is their image, and I stated quite clearly that I added 80 South Street and the Gehry Tower to their image.
Fabb
May 25, 2006, 5:20 PM
It (Gehry design) is interesting & looks like it could have been a collaboration by Edvard Munch and Claes Oldenburg......yet,overall as though inspired by the melting of the Twin Towers.....I find it a little creepy on that basis.....
I didn't see it that way. But the base does remind me of the low-rises of the WTC complex.
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/238/gt16lu.th.jpg (http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gt16lu.jpg) http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/1497/gt28rf.th.jpg (http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gt28rf.jpg) http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/5117/gt36lc.th.jpg (http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gt36lc.jpg) http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/193/gt46tc.th.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gt46tc.jpg) http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/7725/gt57gj.th.jpg (http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gt57gj.jpg) http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5299/gt68yr.th.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gt68yr.jpg)
CoolCzech
May 26, 2006, 2:57 AM
I wonder why the model has a greenish hue to it. It's not actually going to be green is it? I hope not. I'm not a big fan of green skyscrapers.
It's supposed to be a titanium facade, and titanium is silverish, like Bilboa. I guess it could take on a greenish hue at times due to weather:
http://pinker.wjh.harvard.edu/photos/spain/images/Guggenheim%20Bilbao%203.jpg
http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006_05_curbedgehry1.jpg
Hmmmm.... the colors of these two pics are almost identical, actually...
Jonovision
May 26, 2006, 4:10 PM
If it was titanium it would be unbelievable. It would be constantly changing colour.
Antares41
May 26, 2006, 4:45 PM
Real commercial grade titanium is between $6-7 USD/ lb. (LME, 03/24/2006) versus aluminum which is $1.25 USD/lb. So to cladding a building in titanium would be very expensive. Nice idea but I don't see them using the real thing.
Daquan13
May 26, 2006, 7:57 PM
The structure in the top pic looks like something designed by His Excellency
the Ambassador Libeskind.
NYRican
May 26, 2006, 8:57 PM
Its not that bad looking, I kinda like it actually. Too bad its not taller because in STR's rednerings, The New WTC towers and Freedom Tower completely overshadows it. Wasn't this tower supposed to be a good 950 feet?
SkyscraperJunky
May 26, 2006, 10:41 PM
Volume 19, Number 2 | May 26 - June 1, 2006
Under Cover
"The project also includes a 75-story, Frank Gehry-designed apartment building. A spokesperson for developer Bruce Ratner said Gehry’s new drawings will be released next week."
http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_159/undercover.html
Jularc
May 26, 2006, 10:48 PM
Never mind... posted on next page!
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