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Sep 5, 2004, 1:55 AM
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Please read the whole article, exciting news indeed.

September 5, 2004
The New New York Skyline
Source: NYTIMES
By NICOLAI OUROUSSOFF

THE skyline is back.

For the last three years, our collective focus has been on ground zero. Meanwhile, some of the world's most prominent architects have been quietly pressing ahead with plans that will remake the city's skyline on a level not seen since the World Trade Center was built in the 1970's. The most remarkable expression of that shift is a growing list of stunning residential towers designed by celebrated talents like Richard Meier, Santiago Calatrava, Christian Portzamparc and Enrique Norten. But it also includes visions of corporate gluttony: colossal mega-structures that are essentially hybrids of residential skyscrapers and suburban office parks. And it coincides with the slow but inevitable erosion of the boundaries that have defined the edges of the Manhattan skyline for a century.

For New Yorkers who still feel stirrings of nostalgia for the prewar city, such sweeping changes are apt to provoke mild hysteria. But cities derive their meaning from the influx of new ideas, and the flowering of the new skyline reaffirms that New York's creative energy has not yet been entirely spent.

A more legitimate reason for anxiety is that the majority of the towers built in New York in recent memory have been so dismal. Manhattan's skyline was once a monument to the relentless force of modernity, but for decades now the city's reputation as a center of architectural experimentation has been losing ground to London, Barcelona, Beijing, and Shanghai � cities whose civic leaders seem less frightened of the future. The best of the current crop of projects suggest an effort, however fitful, to break out of that creative malaise.

The roots of that malaise predate Sept. 11. They can be traced back to the late 1970's � to the fall of late Modernism and the subsequent rise of a view of history that often favored a mindless repetition of the past over confronting the anxieties of an uncertain future. What it mostly produced were buildings whose faux historical d�cor was used to cloak generic development formulas.

The low point may have come during the final year of Rudolph W. Giuliani's administration, when the Department of City Planning unveiled a proposal that would have forced most new building to conform to the scale of existing neighborhoods. Dubbed "uniform bulk," the proposal was conceived in response to projects like Donald Trump's 72-story residential high-rise at First Avenue between 47th and 48th Streets. The plan's intent was to force developers to respect the city's existing historical fabric. What it would have produced is a deadening uniformity, particularly in the skyline.

Fortunately, the plan was rejected after furious objections by local real estate developers. Meanwhile, Mr. Trump's tower was built and the sky didn't fall. Designed by Costas Kondylis, the building's slender rectangular form could not be more benign. Its taut, tinted glass exterior plays off the blue-green glass of the United Nations Secretariat building and the repetitive grid of windows that decorate the twin 38-story towers of United Nations Plaza. Together, they form a graceful composition of transparent and reflective surfaces.

As it turns out, the future of the city's skyline may have as much to do with the increasingly cosmopolitan tastes of the city's affluent classes as with zoning issues. The first projects to capitalize on that trend were Richard Meier's Perry Street towers, completed in 2002. Mr. Meier's pristine glass-and-steel designs, which look out over the Hudson River esplanade, were ridiculed for construction problems and leaky roofs. But they also set a model of skyline architecture as a work of art, to be collected by the city's rich. A third tower a block away on Charles Street, which is currently under design, is a luxurious twist on the old Modernist notion of gesamtkunstwerk � an environment conceived as a total work of art. In this version, Mr. Meier will design the interiors and furniture as well as the building itself.

That model has been pushed to its extreme with a new plan by the Spanish architect Santiago Calatrava for a building that would rise at 80 South Street, near the foot of the Brooklyn Bridge. The tower, which may be approved by the city planning department later this month, would be anchored by an 835-foot-tall concrete core, with 12 four-story cubes cantilevered off its sides, each of which would house a single 10,000-square-foot apartment. The design is reminiscent of a well-known proposal from the 1970's: the Japanese Metabolist towers, never built, in which entire housing blocks sprouted out of vertical columns like the branches of a tree. In Mr. Calatrava's hands, however, that vision is far more elegant. The apartments appear as crystalline glass town houses floating above the city. Their beauty stems as much from their aura of poetic isolation as from their structural purity.

But what's mind-boggling about the scheme are the economics that make it possible. Like Mr. Meier's Charles Street tower, each of Mr. Calatrava's apartments is conceived as a self-contained urban refuge, a $30,000,000 prestige object for the global elites. If they like, Mr. Calatrava will even custom design each of the apartments to suit them.

This notion � that architecture is a luxury to be consumed, like an Herm�s bag or a private jet � may soon transform the skyline as much as the expansion of American corporate power did a generation ago. Several blocks west of the Calatrava tower, Frank Gehry is working on a luxury high-rise for the Ratner Development Company, the same developer he is teamed with to design the proposed Nets stadium in Brooklyn.

Whatever the interiors are like, the public will most likely get the best view. Mr. Gehry's 75-story tower � which could not be shown here, because it is still in the earliest stages of design � is conceived as a series of undulating glass panels that hang down over the building's structural frame like flowing drapery. The curtain-like surfaces split apart at various points, then peel open at the top to create an almost classical crown. In its way, the tower is as elaborate as the nearby Woolworth Building, whose soaring neo-gothic stone facades set a standard of aesthetic excess and visual splendor nearly a century ago.

Even the building's location reflects the increasing value of such architectural status symbols. Historically, the reason the bulk of Manhattan's towers were concentrated near Wall Street and in Midtown was because the bedrock there is especially solid. Both Mr. Gehry's and Mr. Calatrava's towers would be built in an area just north of Wall Street, where the bedrock is less firm. To support them, engineers will have to drive pylons more than 150 feet into the earth, adding millions to construction costs.

Such considerations no longer seem to matter. The celebrated French architect Christian Portzamparc and Gary Handel, of New York, are currently completing a design for a luxury residential tower farther north at 28th Street and Lexington Avenue, overlooking Madison Square. The tower's faceted glass form will have the sharp edges of a cut diamond.

And in Harlem, similar projects are being used as tools for urban renewal. The Mexican architect Enrique Norten, for example, is now working on a proposal for an office, hotel and residential tower at 125th Street and Park Avenue. The structure's office space is a solid five-story container that rests on the more delicate glass-enclosed base of the two-story retail space, creating a palpable sense of compression. The hotel and residential tower rises another 38 stories above this base, overlooking the elevated tracks that run along Park Avenue.

The tower's design is meant to evoke the energy of the passing trains. Slender horizontal steel bands give shape to the facade's exterior, which bulges slightly at its center, as if the building were taking a deep breath of air. A series of thin, fin-like columns carry the tower down to the ground. Seen from Manhattan, the structure will conjure a fragment of Midtown that has somehow splintered off � an apt metaphor for a building that is being seen as a symbol of Harlem's rapid gentrification.

Taken as a whole, these projects represent a level of architectural creativity that the skyline hasn't seen in a generation. Despite their range of styles, their lightness suggests a more ephemeral city, a skyline whose delicacy would stand in sharp contrast to the muscular upward thrust of older skyscrapers. Just as important, they refuse to conform to the period styles of their neighbors. Instead, they offer a more sophisticated view of context, one that acknowledges that the city's beauty stems from the frictions that occur when competing visions of urbanity are allowed to coexist.

But they also connect to a tradition of social striving that may not have been so overt since the days of the robber barons. In their aesthetic purity, they speak of a world removed from the little miseries of everyday life. If they differ in spirit from the Vanderbilt mansions of the past, it is only in that they promise to be more conspicuous. They are paradises for aesthetes.

Not all the new high-rises are so delicately conceived. The new corporate paradise, by comparison, is more utilitarian, and brutal, in its expression. The demands of global corporations � what were once quaintly called multinationals � have created a new kind of superstructure, as imposing in its way as the commercial Superblocks that were one of the most maligned clich�s of the 1970's. The enormous floor plates of these hulking new structures � some will stretch to the equivalent of two city blocks � are made to accommodate the need for increasingly open, free-flowing work spaces.

The most visible example is Bloomberg Media's new headquarters, designed by Cesar Pelli and currently under construction between 58th and 59th streets and Lexington and Third Avenues. Covering an entire city block, the building is shaped by the collision between the expanding scale of global corporations and the immense value of Manhattan air rights. Rising 85 feet, the base is a solid block of office space, with a womb-like oval atrium carved out of its core to allow public access to ground-floor retail shops. The offices will be vast, loft-like spaces, lined with hundreds of employees hunched over their computer screens. Designed for maximum efficiency, these spaces are the information age's answer to Ford's assembly line.

The building's exterior steps back as it rises, eventually forming a single residential tower along Lexington that will allow the developer to exploit the value of the air rights above the offices. But despite the public pretensions of its atrium, what the project resembles most is a suburban office park plunked down on the island of Manhattan. Its reflective glass envelope is the architectural equivalent of a generic wrapper.

By comparison, a similar proposal for Goldman Sachs at the northern edge of Battery Park City has the virtue of clarity. Designed by Harry Cobb of Pei Cobb Freed, the tower's 18-story trapezoidal base will include gargantuan 75,000-square-foot floor plates � significantly larger than those on the Bloomberg building, and nearly twice the size of those in the former World Trade Center � to accommodate the hordes of Goldman Sachs employees. A residential tower is set on top of this base, its curved facade overlooking the Hudson. But along West Street, the structure is a vast 55-story expanse of glass, its uniform surface interrupted only by a single vertical slot. The distinction between the private world of the tenants above and the corporate masses below has essentially been obliterated. (Employees, one assumes, can now bed down peacefully above their corporate masters.)

This hybrid formula is now being adopted by the Department of City Planning, which sees it as a way to keep big corporations from fleeing for the suburbs. In its current zoning guidelines for the Hudson Yards, for example, the city agency is planning to propose the creation of two development corridors � one along 11th Avenue, the other extending west from Ninth Avenue � parts of which could accommodate structures with footprints between 40,000 and 80,000 square feet, or two entire city blocks. The plan, which will be presented to the city for certification later this month, will also create setbacks for residential towers to allow developers to take advantage of the valuable air rights.

The scale of such projects alone could significantly alter the city's character. Visually, they are reminiscent of the Metropolis imagined by the architectural renderer Hugh Ferriss at the end of the 1920's: a city of mountain-like angular surfaces so dense and opaque it seems to be chiseled out of stone. At their most poetic, they evoke primordial caves illuminated by a few stray rays of light.

But the projects also reflect a deeper fear: that the urban pull of Manhattan is losing its ongoing battle with suburbia. That fear is rekindled whenever corporate executives threaten to escape to the safe, open spaces of Westchester County, Jersey City and Stamford, Conn. In recent years, it has been exacerbated by both the spiraling costs of Manhattan real estate and the insecurities caused by Sept. 11. The response is the creation of a kind architectural mongrel: a view of urbanity that is rooted in suburban notions of isolation and conformity.

The greatest threat to Manhattan's identity, however, may no longer be the suburbanization of the city but the urbanization of the outlying boroughs. And by far the most ambitious proposals for a new urban skyline today are in Queens. Together, they stretch along more than two miles of the East River waterfront, creating a dense ribbon of towers that could one day rival Manhattan's.

Of these, the design by the Miami-based Arquitectonica is the furthest along. Dubbed Queens West, the project would transform 22 acres of abandoned waterfront warehouses into a playful mix of high-rise and low-rise buildings, commercial development and waterfront parks. The project's residential towers, some of which would reach 45 stories, are lined up along the esplanade. The design would fit nicely in a department at Target: hip, affordable versions of high-concept buildings. The waterfront towers are a variety of heights and sizes, like boxes playfully stacked on top of each other. What's most disturbing about the project, in fact, is not its scale but its d�cor. In a bizarre effort to break down the composition's visual scale, the buildings are decorated with crisscrossing patterns of window mullions in a variety of colors: burgundy, blue, green and yellow. Together, the surfaces look like Scottish plaid.

Just to the south, the Los Angeles-based firm Morphosis is working on a less conventional housing development originally conceived as part of New York's bid for the 2012 Olympic games. It would include a series of low-rise housing complexes whose sinuous forms trace the water's edge and frame one side of a lush public park. Three rectangular towers anchor the complex's northern edge.

The development's snake-like forms vaguely evoke the work of the British group Archigram � the 1970's firm that once proposed the creation of machine-like "Walking Cities." But in urban planning terms, the proposal is a throwback to Le Corbusier's 1952 Unit� d'Habitation in Marseille, a grid of apartments raised up on columns and set in a vast park � a rational antidote to the chaos and congestion of Manhattan. As such, the Morphosis project represents a kind of revenge by the great Swiss Modernist, who was famously tossed aside in the competition to design the United Nations headquarters nearly 50 years ago.

Morphosis' vision may soon be joined by Richard Rogers's design for Silvercup Studios at the foot of the 59th Street bridge, whose symmetrical high-tech towers are a more muscular take on similar themes. Mr. Rogers is best-known for his design of high-tech Modernist structures like Lloyd's bank in London and as the co-architect of the Pompidou Center in Paris. In Manhattan, he is currently working on a waterfront esplanade that would extend from the tip of Battery Park to the Manhattan Bridge.

It is only as one begins to consider these Queens developments as a single mass that their effect becomes clear. In obliterating the distinction between vertical and horizontal cities that once separated Manhattan from the outlying boroughs, the new skyline will shift the city's center. The East River will essentially be re-imagined as a spine, binding Manhattan to Brooklyn and Queens rather than defining Manhattan's outer limits.

Such a shift would mean the lowering of one of the city's most rigid psychological barriers. It is apt to raise other fears: the steady erosion of Manhattan's primacy as a center of cultural production, the fleeing of the city's creative class to Brooklyn, and the transformation of Manhattan into an enclave for the rich. But it could also reinvigorate the city's architecture. Instability is good for culture. And just as the Manhattan grid embodies the rational order of modernity, its skyline has always symbolized the urge to break free of those creative constraints. To regain its ascendancy, the city must summon that spirit of imaginative freedom once again.

Islander
Sep 5, 2004, 2:13 AM
Great article. Looks like another wave of amazing new proposals is headed in NYC's direction. This boom has not yet begun to fight!

STERNyc
Sep 5, 2004, 2:23 AM
While it is too early to show renderings for the Gehry proposal, demolition has begun at the site.

Here?s some of the many buildings mentioned in the article:

http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/09/02/arts/skyscraper.slidetwo.jpg

Enrique Norten; Harlem Park, 125th Street and Park Avenue

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Cesar Pelli; Beacon Court, 731 Lexington Avenue at 58th Street

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Richard Meier; 165 Charles Street at West Street

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Harry Cobb; Goldman Sachs headquarters, West and Vesey Streets

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Santiago Calatrava; 80 South Street at Fletcher Street

http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/09/05/arts/skyskraper.slideseven.jpg

Arquitectonica's proposal for Queens West is a 22-acre mixed-use project that includes 45-story residential towers along a waterfront esplanade facing Manhattan.

http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/09/05/arts/skyskraper.slideeight.jpg

A housing development in Queens being designed by Morphosis Architects of Los Angeles would trace the East River shoreline.

http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/09/05/arts/skyscraper.slidenine.jpg

The Morphosis housing development, at left, was originally conceived as part of New York's bid for the 2012 Olympics.

AJphx
Sep 5, 2004, 5:51 AM
Wow, awesome news. Very Wonderful to have so many great architects and designs for new skyscrapers in New York.

I would like to see the tower that Portzamparc is designing, is there any other news on that one yet?

Fabb
Sep 5, 2004, 7:28 AM
But despite the public pretensions of its atrium, what the [Bloomberg Tower] project resembles most is a suburban office park plunked down on the island of Manhattan. Its reflective glass envelope is the architectural equivalent of a generic wrapper.

Ouch.

Stratosphere
Sep 5, 2004, 10:48 AM
This is off-topic but any news about the new supplemental building for the UN Secretariat?

dancethingy
Sep 5, 2004, 12:49 PM
that's right, OUCH.
NYC architecture critics have really sharpened their claws, I like it. Its definitely good for the city cause it demands better designs. These scrapers will really alter the skyline. I compare NYC to London in that both cities are really taking risks with current proposals. Both cities are very rich in early era architecture. I wonder how well old and new architecture will mix in both cities. The modern structures proposed in NYC are great, but I hope it will complement the skyline rather than compete with it.

STERNyc
Sep 5, 2004, 2:12 PM
So I guess its fair to say that there was a height increase and that there’ll be a 22 storey commercial base topped by a 53 storey residential tower. A couple of us at WNY were already speculating this. I wonder now if increased floor heights and as mentioned the ornamental crown will near a 1000 foot height. That would be amazing and would counterbalance whatever happens at the WTC.

STERNyc
Sep 5, 2004, 2:15 PM
To give an idea of how the new tower might look, Frank Gehry’s unbuilt NYTIMES Headquarters:

http://www.guggenheim.org/exhibitions/past_exhibitions/gehry/images/projects/projects_images/ny_times13_lg.jpg

SD
Sep 5, 2004, 3:01 PM
A 75 Storey Gehry tower...can't wait to see it. It will probably be quite spectacular.

NYguy
Sep 5, 2004, 4:09 PM
Several blocks west of the Calatrava tower, Frank Gehry is working on a luxury high-rise for the Ratner Development Company, the same developer he is teamed with to design the proposed Nets stadium in Brooklyn.

Whatever the interiors are like, the public will most likely get the best view. Mr. Gehry's 75-story tower — which could not be shown here, because it is still in the earliest stages of design — is conceived as a series of undulating glass panels that hang down over the building's structural frame like flowing drapery. The curtain-like surfaces split apart at various points, then peel open at the top to create an almost classical crown. In its way, the tower is as elaborate as the nearby Woolworth Building, whose soaring neo-gothic stone facades set a standard of aesthetic excess and visual splendor nearly a century ago.

I'm so excited about this new Ghery tower...it sounds like it could be even greater than the Calatrava tower a few blocks away....Great news!

NYguy
Sep 5, 2004, 4:25 PM
Another look at the site of the new Gehry tower...


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NYguy
Sep 5, 2004, 4:29 PM
Both Mr. Gehry's and Mr. Calatrava's towers would be built in an area just north of Wall Street, where the bedrock is less firm. To support them, engineers will have to drive pylons more than 150 feet into the earth, adding millions to construction costs.

Such considerations no longer seem to matter.The celebrated French architect Christian Portzamparc and Gary Handel, of New York, are currently completing a design for a luxury residential tower farther north at 28th Street and Lexington Avenue, overlooking Madison Square. The tower's faceted glass form will have the sharp edges of a cut diamond.

Another one to keep an eye on....

The Almighty Idiot
Sep 5, 2004, 4:30 PM
I can't wait to see this tower...the location is especcially good because it will help extend the skyline north.

Chad
Sep 5, 2004, 4:32 PM
Big One!!

Matace
Sep 5, 2004, 6:55 PM
Demolition has begun on the site of Gehry's building?! That's good news, and quicker than i thought.

Good article, there are some really exciting projects mentioned in it. I am quite excited about the news that Rogers is doing something for Queens, i don't think he has built anything in NY before.

some_stupid_nut
Sep 5, 2004, 10:36 PM
To give an idea of how the new tower might look, Frank Gehry’s unbuilt NYTIMES Headquarters:

http://www.guggenheim.org/exhibitions/past_exhibitions/gehry/images/projects/projects_images/ny_times13_lg.jpg

Hopefully it WONT look like that. http://www.slickdeals.net/forums/image.php?u=15893&dateline=1092373277

I'm not a big fan of his work. Bilbao was like wow, then it was like, oh okay, now its, meh.

Lucky 24
Sep 5, 2004, 10:49 PM
That Santiago Calatrava looks amazing, I think that project excites me more than any other nyc project.

CGII
Sep 5, 2004, 10:57 PM
That NY Times HQ looks lke a jellyfish. ermm...

Lets just hope he sharpened up a little bit since then ;)

Islander
Sep 5, 2004, 11:07 PM
I think Gehry was trying to evoke a building made of paper with that design, since he designed it for the NY Times newspaper after all. :)
I doubt his current project will be very similar in overall shape. The crown sounds very interesting though, I'm thinking of something like Pelli's BOA in Charlotte, is that about right?

Lecom
Sep 6, 2004, 12:50 AM
Wow. That's a great article. Made me feel good. The best thing is, it might even soften some of the NIMBYs who read ny times.

pottebaum
Sep 6, 2004, 3:14 AM
OMG--75 stories?! That totally beat my expectations.

Lecom
Sep 6, 2004, 3:56 AM
http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/09/05/arts/skyscraper.slidenine.jpg

The Morphosis housing development, at left, was originally conceived as part of New York's bid for the 2012 Olympics.
Secretariat looks like the man in that pic.

NYguy
Sep 6, 2004, 11:03 AM
More on the city's rebirth....(NY Times)

Even in an Age of Terrorism, Towers Are Sheathed in Glass

http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/09/06/nyregion/glass.xlarge1.jpg

Ruby Washington/The New York Times
Inside the construction site at 7 World Trade Center on Friday, glass panels were stacked up, ready for installation in the outer shell.


By DAVID W. DUNLAP
September 6, 2004

For three years, ground zero has been the province of ruin and rough edges. Now it is assuming a diaphanous new face. Floor by floor, the new 7 World Trade Center is being sheathed in 538,420 square feet of glass, more than 12 acres of transparency.

That is just the beginning. Glass-clad structures are to rise all around the site where the twin towers stood. Beyond this crystalline precinct, dozens of other buildings with sleek glass skins are under development or newly completed, reflecting the current architectural penchant for clarity, luminosity, permeability and weightlessness.

Defying concerns after the attack on New York three years ago that post-9/11 construction would be dominated by brute concrete bunkers, the designers of significant new public and private buildings in the city are turning again and again to glass facades.

At first, it seems counterintuitive to embrace such an apparently fragile building material when structures are supposed to be hardened against terrorist bombings. The paradox is that much greater at ground zero, where thousands of windows were destroyed on Sept. 11, 2001, even in buildings that were otherwise largely undamaged.

"It is evident that glass in tall buildings or any buildings would cause serious injuries in the event of a bomb blast," said Monica Gabrielle, co-chairwoman of the Skyscraper Safety Campaign, whose husband, Richard, died in the trade center attack. "Why is it that we have not learned or just plain refuse to learn any lessons?"

But the engineers and architects of the new generation of glass buildings said that many lessons have been learned, especially after Hurricane Andrew in 1992 and the Oklahoma City bombing of 1995. While no facade could withstand an assault as catastrophic as that on the trade center in 2001 and while their first concern is to prevent progressive structural collapse, which brought down the twin towers, they said glass curtain walls can perform protectively and resiliently against some blasts, holding panes in place or greatly limiting the amount of flying debris.

Strengthened by tempering and lamination, then set into aluminum curtain walls or steel cable nets that can absorb some of the impact from a blast, glass is both a reasonable facade material and a desirable one, the designers said.

Safety is further enhanced by creating the greatest possible distance between a building and a vehicle-borne bomb. The new World Trade Center transportation hub, for example, will be surrounded by a large public plaza. "That's purposeful," said Robert Ducibella of Ducibella Venter & Santore, security consulting engineers to the project. "If we have this jewel, we want to provide reasonable standards for protecting it."

The new Hearst Tower on Eighth Avenue, between 56th and 57th Streets, designed by Foster & Partners, is set back from all three streets, as it rises from within the shell of a 1928 landmark structure. Seven World Trade Center has a built-in barrier in the form of a 125-foot-high concrete podium housing a Con Ed substation.

Two Ages, Coexisting

"How can we have glass in an age of terrorism?" asked Carl Galioto, a partner in Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, architects of 7 World Trade Center, the Freedom Tower at the trade center site, the Time Warner Center on Columbus Circle and the proposed expansion of Pennsylvania Station into a glass shell set behind the general post office.

"I don't believe any time period is defined by one label," Mr. Galioto said. "It's inaccurate and somewhat superficial. We're also living in age when we're trying to make work environments more livable. We're looking to introduce more daylight into work space, to reduce energy consumption, to reduce carbon emissions. It's the age of terrorism but it's the age of sustainable design. They're coexisting."

They can coexist because of advances in the design of framing systems and in the treatment of glass. "The level of performance is phenomenal compared with glasses of only 15 years ago," said Cesar Pelli of Cesar Pelli & Associates, the architects of 731 Lexington Avenue, between 58th and 59th Streets, the future headquarters of Bloomberg Media.

Common annealed glass breaks fairly easily into jagged shards. Much stronger tempered glass breaks more benignly into pebbles, but these can be propelled like bullets by a blast. However, when glass is laminated with one or more layers of a substance like polyvinyl butyral, the pieces are held in place even if the pane breaks. (Think of a shattered car windshield that remains largely intact in its frame.)

"It is unlikely that the untrained eye could distinguish between laminated, tempered or ordinary annealed glass, yet in terms of safety there is a major difference," said Tim Macfarlane of Dewhurst Macfarlane & Partners, an engineering firm based in London and New York. "Images of glass facades destroyed by the many bombs that were detonated in the U.K. in the last 30 years were depicting facades that had not been designed for this sort of event."

Another misperception cited by some designers was the seeming solidity of curtain walls in which windows are punched out of surrounding masonry. "It's purely an illusion to believe that punched windows and a thin stone curtain wall will afford any more protection," Mr. Galioto said.

Laminated glass will be used at the base of 7 World Trade Center and throughout the Hearst Tower, in curtain walls manufactured by Permasteelisa Cladding Technologies. "The skin is meant to absorb and dissipate the load," said Alberto De Gobbi, the company president.

Curtain walls help control breakage by deforming in response to a nearby blast, thereby partly relieving the intensity of the load that the glass itself must resist, said Robert Smilowitz, a principal in Weidlinger Associates, an engineering firm with decades of experience in blast resistance. "In this age of protection against terrorism, architecture doesn't have to suffer," Dr. Smilowitz said.

Testing at White Sands

Weidlinger put the idea of a protective curtain wall to the test in 1998 in its work on a federal building and courthouse in Las Vegas. A full-scale mockup of part of the curtain wall was erected inside a blast simulator at the White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico. Explosive charges were set off. (Dr. Smilowitz is not permitted to reveal the magnitude.) Only 3 of 27 panes in the mockup were damaged, he said, with no debris.

The White Sands simulator was used again in 2002 to test a 15-by-30-foot section of a curtain wall manufactured by Enclos Corporation for the Bronx Criminal Court Complex on East 161st Street, designed by Rafael Viñoly Associates and DMJM.

The Bronx project was under way before the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in 1995. "Oklahoma City changed the whole design criterion for the Bronx criminal courthouse," said Charles Blomberg, an architect and the technical director of the Viñoly office. "But the idea of a transparent building was maintained."

The project was delayed for several months while a task force including the Police Department and a threat-assessment analyst developed criteria for blast resistance, which Mr. Blomberg said he could not disclose. "We were able to adjust the strength and structure of the curtain wall to accommodate these new parameters," he said.

Both the Hearst Tower and the new headquarters of The New York Times on Eighth Avenue, between 40th and 41st Streets, were in development when the trade center was attacked. In the aftermath, Hearst elected to keep its glass facade but "reviewed every piece of the puzzle," said Brian Schwagerl, the director of real estate and facilities planning, upgrading the design and the materials at a premium of about 10 percent over the original cost of the curtain wall, which he would not specify.

The New York Times Company also retained its planned curtain wall, designed by the Renzo Piano Building Workshop and Fox & Fowle. But after Sept. 11, it made a "multi-million dollar investment in hardening various aspects of the structure and strengthening frames and windows that could be subject to a blast," said David A. Thurm, vice president for real estate development. "For obvious reasons, there is limited information we can provide about the precautions that we have taken against blasts."

When it gets to specifics, almost everyone demurs, in part because specifying the level of blast resistance is almost an invitation to terrorists to concoct a higher charge.

But there are performance standards, developed by the General Services Administration and the Interagency Security Committee, to gauge response to a blast.

They range from the safest condition, No. 1, in which the glazing does not break, to condition No. 5, in which glazing cracks, the window system fails catastrophically and fragments hit a wall 10 feet away at a height greater than two feet. Under intermediate conditions, the glazing cracks but fragments land on the floor closer to the window.

Updating the Building Code

The current building code does not contain specific requirements for curtain walls that would resist terrorist attacks, said Patricia J. Lancaster, the city buildings commissioner. But the new code, a synthesis of the International Building Code with technical requirements tailored to New York City, will consider the effects of such extreme events.

Ms. Lancaster gave an example of how standards must navigate a razor's edge: laminated glass may seem like an ideal solution until one asks how easily firefighters can gain access from the outside in the event that the hazardous event has occurred within.

Though it is obvious to focus on the building shell, engineers concerned with safety and security concentrate first on the core. "The single biggest determinant in how a building performs is maintaining the structure intact and maintaining the egress intact," said Leo E. Argiris, an engineer and a principal in Arup, a company that leads the team designing the Fulton Street Transit Center.

Silverstein Properties is promoting those qualities at 7 World Trade Center, which it is developing. "Our view has always been that the primary safety systems were the structural and other systems that maximize, beyond existing code, the stability and emergency exiting capacity," said Janno Lieber, the trade center project director for Silverstein. "The tenants we are dealing with are sophisticated and understand that the material on the outside isn't the determinant of their safety."

Ultimately, the level of any protection turns in part on economics. "We can make certain windows more blast resistant than others," said Gordon H. Smith of the Gordon H. Smith Corporation, a consulting firm specializing in exterior walls. "That's a dollars and cents issue. If we're talking about rebuilding every office building in the country as the Pentagon, what we'd be saying is, 'Build no buildings.' "

And it turns in part on trying to anticipate the unfathomable. "As much as you'd like to protect all people and all spaces, that may not be achievable in a random event," Dr. Smilowitz said.

Architects have faced the unfathomable before. The city's first generation of glass towers - the United Nations Secretariat, Lever House, the Seagram Building - took shape under the cloud of atomic war. In 1951, for instance, as Lever House neared completion on Park Avenue, an unprecedented daytime air-raid drill stopped traffic throughout the city and emptied every street of pedestrians.

Both then and now, the embrace of glass might be thought of as the architectural equivalent of whistling past the graveyard or, more positively, as a declaration of faith.

A Metaphor for Optimism

"Isn't the glassiness of the buildings, the transparency of them, a metaphor for much-needed optimism and a much-needed perception that what's going on inside the corporate or governmental world is not secret?" asked Robert A. M. Stern, dean of the Yale School of Architecture.

Yes, said Richard Cook, a partner in Cook + Fox Architects, designers of the 54-story Bank of America Tower that is to rise on the Avenue of the Americas, between 42nd and 43rd Streets. "The ideal of modern banking is open, clear, transparent," he said, "as opposed to hidden behind vaults in three-piece suits."

Yes, said Mr. Thurm of The Times. "A key goal for our new building is to enhance the work environment for our employees," he said, "and one of the significant enhancements will be an emphasis on natural light and views."

Yes, said Michael D. Garz of the Downtown Design Partnership, a joint venture of STV and DMJM & Harris, working with Santiago Calatrava on the trade center transportation hub being built by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

"Its transparency is part of the power it has as a symbol," Mr. Garz said. There are practical reasons, too, for creating an enormous skylight over the terminal, which will connect to the extensive network of passageways under the new trade center and to the similarly glass-enclosed Fulton Street Transit Center. "We've promised people daylight as they move through this enormous, enormous site," he said.

"Transparency is something we've become accustomed to, the ability to have light enrich our interior environments," Mr. Garz said. "We're still trying to attain humanistic goals."

Fabb
Sep 6, 2004, 12:02 PM
I doubt his current project will be very similar in overall shape. The crown sounds very interesting though, I'm thinking of something like Pelli's BOA in Charlotte, is that about right?

I wouldn't think so.
Pelli's buildings are as sanitized as Gehry's are distorted.

Lecom
Sep 6, 2004, 5:16 PM
Another look at the site of the new Gehry tower...


http://www.pbase.com/image/23854474/large.jpg
Wait, so is the tower behind Woolworth or is it on the site on the pic?

FerrariEnzo
Sep 6, 2004, 5:46 PM
The site pictured across the street from city hall and near the BK bridge feeders.

Procurator
Sep 6, 2004, 6:14 PM
I think Gehry's Times tower looks awesome, and I can only hope this new 75 story tower looks even better.

Stu
Sep 7, 2004, 3:39 AM
The new Gehry tower sounds promising.

Smiley Person
Sep 7, 2004, 6:25 AM
Puke.

New York is gonna end up looking like Shanghai.

NYguy
Sep 7, 2004, 12:32 PM
Puke.

New York is gonna end up looking like Shanghai.

It won't.

New York has way too many buildings. You could put up 50 new towers, and NY will still always look like NY. It's not just the design of the buildings, but the mass of the city itself. It's also a very distinguishable city.

pottebaum
Sep 7, 2004, 6:39 PM
Puke.

New York is gonna end up looking like Shanghai.

How do you back that claim up?

TalB
Sep 7, 2004, 8:00 PM
No offense, but the buildings that are said to be in back of it will form some sort of cluster that the city has laws against.

STERNyc
Sep 7, 2004, 9:27 PM
No offense, but the buildings that are said to be in back of it will form some sort of cluster that the city has laws against.

What are you talking about?

Gulcrapek
Sep 7, 2004, 9:49 PM
Probably the time the Southbridge residents were complaining about stuff.

Procurator
Sep 8, 2004, 11:27 AM
I don't think Gehry's unique architectual style resembles in any way the phony po-mo trash piles that inhabit the majority of Chinese skylines.

TalB
Sep 8, 2004, 2:54 PM
That's Gehry for you. ;)

JACKinBeantown
Sep 8, 2004, 3:35 PM
Please define "po-mo."

danger_doug
Sep 8, 2004, 4:16 PM
^post-modernist

Chad
Sep 9, 2004, 1:21 PM
Please define "po-mo."

"ho-mo"

Stu
Sep 9, 2004, 1:30 PM
The site around the Gehry tower, in the pics anyway, looks like it could use a redevelopment. Maybe reclad some of those buildings with glass.

fluffypolly
Sep 9, 2004, 2:22 PM
The site around the Gehry tower, in the pics anyway, looks like it could use a redevelopment. Maybe reclad some of those buildings with glass.


why, not everything needs to be covered in glass.. some things werent made to be covered in all glass, for instance if someone suggested that the ESB be covered in glass, id take them out. :hell:

Stu
Sep 9, 2004, 5:39 PM
Nah, I just ment some of those building need abit of sprucing up.
Giving some of them a glass facade could be one way to do that. I'm thinking mostly about that one across the street, which I think is a Pace University building.

TalB
Sep 9, 2004, 5:42 PM
^post-modernist
I would take post modernisim over deconstructivism anyday, but that's just me.

Gulcrapek
Sep 9, 2004, 6:01 PM
The Pace tower is a bit of an ugly thing, but it's kind of an unofficial landmark, to me anyway. It's just always there when going to or coming from the Brooklyn Bridge.

NYguy
Sep 10, 2004, 12:46 PM
Here's another view of the lot where the Gehry tower would rise...


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/23875580/large.jpg

caw123
Sep 10, 2004, 7:04 PM
No offense, but the buildings that are said to be in back of it will form some sort of cluster that the city has laws against.

Yeah, NYC has no clusters.............

Please elaborate.

TalB
Sep 10, 2004, 10:17 PM
An urban cluster is defined as a bunch of buildings that are next to each other, and is forced into one spot. NYC actually does have laws that prevent that, and you can look at city laws if you don't believe me. An example would be Dubai when you will notice all the skyscrapers over one main road.

lakegz
Sep 11, 2004, 2:20 AM
the whole island is one large cluster. look at cityspre and Carnegie hall tower.

plinko
Sep 11, 2004, 2:50 AM
Yes...zoning and setbacks...big deal. You understand that getting a variance on such things is not only possible, it's quite normal in NYC?

Gehry Tower...hmmm

Odd how many of you get all excited about that...yet lambaste Mr. Libeskind for trying to do the same thing...

After all, how many towers has Gehry built?

I'm curious and excited to see what he holds for Manhattan. Hopefully it's scaled a bit better than the Guggenheim and takes what he did for the Times much much further.

NYguy
Sep 11, 2004, 1:27 PM
Gehry Tower...hmmm

Odd how many of you get all excited about that...yet lambaste Mr. Libeskind for trying to do the same thing...

What are you talking about? We haven't even seen Gehry's tower. Libeskind's tower wasn't disliked just because he has never designed a skyscraper, its the design that wasn't liked.

Some people don't like Childs' design either, and he has designed many skyscrapers.

The point is, its the result of Gehry's work on the tower that will be judged. So far, at 75 stories, its doing ok...

CGII
Sep 11, 2004, 2:45 PM
I think alone, the NY Times tower looks horrid. But in the enviroment of NYC, it looks like a fresh change from the ordinary.

caw123
Sep 11, 2004, 3:51 PM
I think alone, the NY Times tower looks horrid. But in the enviroment of NYC, it looks like a fresh change from the ordinary.

A box. A huge change from the ordinary. But it does look good.

NYguy
Sep 12, 2004, 10:25 PM
Took these photos earlier today (Sept 12).

Gehry's tower will sit next to these buildings...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/33742867/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/33742947/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/33742982/large.jpg


Gehry's tower will rise on the site of this parking lot

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/33742994/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/33742999/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/33743005/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/33743009/large.jpg

Lecom
Sep 12, 2004, 11:58 PM
That lot is just itching for a redevelopment. A gritty backside of an old skyscraper plus a horrible concrete complex plus a shabby near lowrise.. yea. Less parking in Manhattan though :P .

Stu
Sep 13, 2004, 1:32 AM
From NYguy's pics, the area isn't as uh.........crap as it appeared from the aerials.

NYguy
Sep 13, 2004, 1:37 PM
That lot is just itching for a redevelopment. A gritty backside of an old skyscraper plus a horrible concrete complex plus a shabby near lowrise.. yea. Less parking in Manhattan though :P .

You would probably get more parking with this project...

Approximately 80,000 square feet of public parking, accommodating up to 400 cars, will be located below-grade. The Hospital will own half of the 400 parking spaces. The retail component of the Project will total 20,000 square feet on the ground floor and will be used to activate the sidewalk.

In this photo you get both the hospital and Pace University, also part of this project....

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/33742994/medium.jpg

Lecom
Sep 14, 2004, 2:28 AM
Nice. More parking AND less parking lots! AND a skyscraper! THey should make more of those.

NYguy
Sep 17, 2004, 12:55 PM
For skyline watchers, this skypic.com photo shows the
planned sites of Downtown's most prominent new towers...


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/33914639/original.jpg

NYguy
Sep 25, 2004, 12:49 AM
DOWNTOWN EXPRESS

20 more stories for Beekman building

By Ronda Kaysen

Real estate developer Bruce Ratner announced plans last week to increase the size of his Beekman St. tower from 55 stories to 75 stories, making it the second tallest proposed building in the Downtown skyline after the Freedom Tower, and inciting outrage from local residents and a potential lawsuit from the city council.

The announcement of a 20-story addition to the one-million-square-foot tower on the lot bordered by Spruce, Beekman, Nassau and Gold Sts. was proposed as a solution to concerns from residents of the neighboring Southbridge Towers that the development would block their windows. Ratner’s alternative — to build a taller, slimmer building with an open plaza — is not what the residents had in mind.

“When you negotiate something in a community that the community doesn’t like, it usually goes down in scale, not up,” Paul Viggiano, president of Southbridge Towers co-op board, said at Community Board 1’s meeting, Sept. 21. “We’re going to get all of our political muscle together to do what we can to get this building down [in size].”

Dan Slippen, director of community relations for Pace University, one of the building’s potential tenants, defended the increase in size. “We’ve been trying to make good will with the community,” he told the board. “We went to 75 stories because of an agreement with members of the community who did not want the bulk of the building against their building, which caused the building to rise.”

No official agreement was reached between Ratner and the community, according to Paul Epstein, a resident of 140 Nassau St. “Nobody has reached any agreement with anybody,” he told the Downtown Express, although he and other residents of his building have met with Ratner’s office. Nevertheless, residents of 140 and 150 Nassau Sts. thought the slimmer alternative was an improvement, Epstein said.

Relieved there will be space between his apartment and the tower — Epstein’s bedroom windows look out on the site — Epstein argues that the building needs to be smaller in more ways than height. “The height is what gets some people excited, but the bulk is what counts,” he said. “If it’s going to be in this size range, it’s going to be a massive building [no matter what].”

Frank Gehry will be the architect, but no renderings of the building have been released.

The building’s staggering height and its bulk are not the community’s only concern. With no clear plans for amenities for the neighborhood — aside from the open plaza — C.B. 1 leaders and local politicians have stepped in to negotiate a development that is more appealing to the densely populated neighborhood.

“We have lots of people in this neighborhood that need services and we haven’t been able to create anything for them, no schools, no parks, nothing,” said Paul Goldstein, C.B. 1’s district manager. Goldstein is hoping to set aside 50,000 square feet of space in the new building for a community center for the neighborhood, one with a gym and swimming pool.

In the current plan, Pace University will occupy 330,000 square feet, or about one-third of the tower. In its portion of the building, Pace will house dormitories, a business school and offices, an art gallery and community space for the public. The rest of the building will be devoted to a 25,000-square-foot outpatient facility for N.Y.U. Downtown Hospital, and rental and condo apartments.

The building’s height, he said, is of less concern than its lack of community services. “This huge building is going to go up without anything for the community,” Goldstein said. “It’s a big pill to swallow.”

The city acquired the site under eminent domain in 1964, and then sold it to what is now NYU Downtown Hospital in 1967, with strict height and land use restrictions. When the statue of limitations on the parcel expired in April, Forest City Enterprises began negotiations to purchase the property from the money-strapped hospital.

The project will be partially financed by $243 million in commercial Liberty Bonds for the construction of the lower 24 floors of the tower for Pace University and NYU Downtown Hospital.

“Public funds were used to condemn a property for public use, at least a piece of it needs to go back to public use,” said C.B. 1 chairperson Madelyn Wils at the board meeting.

City Councilmember Alan Gerson may file a lawsuit against Forest City Enterprises on behalf of the City Council to insure the community’s needs are met. “You’re talking about building the largest building in Lower Manhattan and that requires a thorough review,” Gerson told Downtown Express. “We can’t just have such a mammoth development without getting it right.”

The deadline for filing a lawsuit is Oct. 4, although Gerson is not convinced that a resolution will require legal action. “A lawsuit is always the last resort,” he said. “I hope over the next week or so we’ll be able to come up with an arrangement that meets the needs of the community.”

Forest City Enterprises did not comment.

At its Sept. 21 meeting, C. B. 1 passed a resolution supporting Gerson’s suit. “This 75-story building benefits Ratner,” said Wils. “Now Ratner needs to step up to the plate and see how he wants to deal with the community.”

Fabb
Sep 25, 2004, 9:07 AM
The building’s height, he said, is of less concern than its lack of community services.

That problem should be solved easily.

But what exactly would be the height of this building ? I hate it when articles mention a certain thing without being explicit.

STERNyc
Sep 25, 2004, 1:53 PM
Who else (that really has a justified say) is there:

Nevertheless, residents of 140 and 150 Nassau Sts. thought the slimmer alternative was an improvement, Epstein said.

NYguy
Sep 25, 2004, 7:12 PM
Paul Viggiano, president of Southbridge Towers co-op board, said at Community Board 1’s meeting... “We’re going to get all of our political muscle together to do what we can to get this building down [in size].”

Great. It's the return of every skycraper fan's dreaded enemy - the over-reactive NIMBY. Where were these people when the 90-story 1 NY Place was proposed?

Dan Slippen, director of community relations for Pace University, one of the building’s potential tenants, defended the increase in size. “We’ve been trying to make good will with the community,” he told the board. “We went to 75 stories because of an agreement with members of the community who did not want the bulk of the building against their building, which caused the building to rise.”

Exactly. You can't please everyone, so hopefully a line is drawn and Ratner continues to fight as he does in Brooklyn. Its also good that he has allies in the hopspital and Pace University.

Nevertheless, residents of 140 and 150 Nassau Sts. thought the slimmer alternative was an improvement, Epstein said.

Relieved there will be space between his apartment and the tower — Epstein’s bedroom windows look out on the site — Epstein argues that the building needs to be smaller in more ways than height. “The height is what gets some people excited, but the bulk is what counts,” he said. “If it’s going to be in this size range, it’s going to be a massive building [no matter what].”

Finally some common sense. Hopefully these residents, together with the hospital and Pace stand their ground..

The building’s staggering height and its bulk are not the community’s only concern. With no clear plans for amenities for the neighborhood — aside from the open plaza — C.B. 1 leaders and local politicians have stepped in to negotiate a development that is more appealing to the densely populated neighborhood.

Paul Goldstein, C.B. 1’s district manager, is hoping to set aside 50,000 square feet of space in the new building for a community center for the neighborhood, one with a gym and swimming pool.

There comes a time when you must say NO! The city can't allow projects to be held up according to every whim of someone who may happen to live in the area. This tower includes an expansion for the hospital (no community amenities?), an expansion for Pace, more parking, an open plaza, retail space, but this guy wants to hold it up for a swimming pool? Let them build one at the Seaport.

Its a decent site, but its only so much you can squeeze in there.

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/33742994/medium.jpg

JMGarcia
Sep 25, 2004, 7:34 PM
This is typical NIMBY blackmail. They'll whine about the height until the developer throws in something for them.

The alternative is that the developer has been overstating what he really wants (say 55 instead of 75 floors) just so he can give in to the NIMBYs.

NYguy
Oct 17, 2004, 2:23 PM
DOWNTOWN EXPRESS

Divided opposition to East Side Ratner-Gehry tower

By Ronda Kaysen

With the closing date for the sale of NYU Downtown Hospital’s Beekman St. parking lot to Forest City Enterprises looming, residents of nearby Southbridge Towers have launched negotiations of their own with developer Bruce Ratner in the hopes of securing amenities for their own building — to the dismay of some Community Board 1 members.

Members of the board’s Seaport/Civic Center committee drafted a resolution at an Oct. 12 meeting calling for community solidarity in dealings with Ratner and his plans for a 75-story multi-use tower on the site.

If built, the Frank Gehry-designed tower will be the second tallest building Downtown after the Freedom Tower.

No amenities have been secured for the community as of yet, and City Councilmember Alan Gerson insists that once the deal closes (perhaps by the end of the month) the community will have less leverage to secure any amenities at all. Residents of nearby 140-150 Nassau St. filed a lawsuit against Ratner earlier this month, which may delay the closing if a settlement is not reached.

Two weeks ago, residents of nearby Southbridge Towers entered into discussions of their own with Ratner that, according to committee members, may undermine the community’s ability to negotiate effectively with the developer. “We all need to be working together and we should be honest with each other as we move forward in this process,” said Paul Goldstein, C.B. 1’s district manager and a Southbridge resident. “Obviously the developer is using a strategy of divide and conquer to divide the community.”

But Southbridge’s interests are not in conflict with the community’s interests, according to Paul Viggiano, president of the Southbridge Towers co-op board. Southbridge board members met with Ratner a few weeks ago for an “initial meeting” but “there were no negotiations, there was nothing,” he insisted. “If I thought for a minute that anything that Southbridge would ask for would diminish any other efforts, I guess I would pull out because I don’t want that to happen,” Viggiano said in a telephone interview.

Although Viggiano declined to comment about what specific amenities Southbridge is seeking, he mentioned “floors and windows” as two possible amenities and other sources suggested that the co-op board was negotiating for a community room and small park for Southbridge.

Seaport/Civic Center committee members expressed concern that Southbridge may weaken C.B. 1’s leverage. “The community board has been representing the community and supporting the desires of the community for many years. We have to speak in one voice,” Marc Donnenfeld, the committee’s chairperson, said at the meeting. Individual negotiations are “going to weaken the community board in the long run,” he added.

According to Viggiano, Southbridge has every right to try to secure amenities of its own with Ratner. “I would be remised as the president of this board if I wasn’t able to go out and talk to Ratner about specifics to Southbridge,” he said. “Everyone seems to be going out and asking for what they want.”

Residents of 140-150 Nassau St. stepped up its efforts to reach a deal with Ratner without the direct involvement of the community, says Viggiano, which has had the positive effect of “getting people to the bargaining table.” Residents of 140-150 Nassau St. approached Southbridge Towers regarding the lawsuit, but they declined to participate.

The 140-150 Nassau St. lawsuit, however, will not have a negative effect on community negotiations, says Goldstein of C.B. 1, because it calls for a Uniform Land Use Review Procedure and an environmental impact study for the tower, two processes that would require public review. Gerson also expressed his support for the lawsuit and said he may file a friend of the court brief in the event that negotiations break down.

Nassau St. residents are most interested in securing a plaza between their building and the Ratner building so the new tower will not block their windows, according to sources close to the suit.

Ratner did not return repeated calls for comment for this story.

According to Gerson, the financially strapped NYU Downtown Hospital insists it will be forced to file for bankruptcy if the lot is not sold by the closing date. If the hospital files for bankruptcy, it will be turned over to the New York State Department of Health. “I think the way it’s been handled is awful,” said Gerson at the meeting. “What assurance do we have that in years in the future they’re not going to be in the same straits?”

Bruce D. Logan, president and C.E.O. of Downtown Hospital, said the hospital has no immediate plans to file for bankruptcy. “NYU Downtown Hospital, like most hospitals operating in the current healthcare environment, is facing very severe financial difficulties,” Logan wrote in an e-mail statement. “However, in the event that the sale of the parking lot does not close by the end of the month, the hospital absolutely will not file for bankruptcy protection.“

The site was set aside for public use for NYU Downtown Hospital in 1964 after it had been taken over by the city under eminent domain. When the statue of limitations on use and height restrictions expired this year, Ratner began negotiations to purchase the property from the hospital. The tower’s architect, Frank Gehry, was tapped this week to design the theater cultural building in the new World Trade Center.

Partially financed by $243 million in commercial Liberty Bonds, Pace University will occupy 330,000 square feet on the lower 24 floors of the Beekman St. tower and 25,000 square feet will be reserved for an outpatient facility for the hospital. The remaining space will include rental and condo apartments. C.B. 1 hopes to secure 50,000 square feet for a community facility with a pool and health center.

C.B. 1 will vote on the resolution at its Oct. 19 full board meeting.

FerrariEnzo
Oct 17, 2004, 4:32 PM
Quote:If built, the Frank Gehry-designed tower will be the second tallest building Downtown after the Freedom Tower.

WOW

FerrariEnzo
Oct 17, 2004, 4:36 PM
Well if at 52 stories 7wtc is 750 feet and we used the same floor height ratio we are looking at 1081.731 feet. Add to that possible decorative features such as a crown ect and we have a VERY substanital building. This is just speculation though, Im not getting my hopes up yet.

PS: Thats taller than Bryant Park...

Islander
Oct 17, 2004, 4:57 PM
Unfortunately though it's not likely that this Gehry tower will have the same floor heights as 7WTC throughout, since I heard it will be 22 floors of office topped by 53 of luxury residential. Still, that pretty much guarantees a 900-950 foot minimum top floor, or higher if there is going to be a large lobby or large bottom floors. And then to top it off, a crown that could hit 1,000+ feet.

billyblancoNYCII
Oct 17, 2004, 8:39 PM
You can't tell how tall the NYU space will be, or the Pace space, either. Also, many luxury condos and rentals in NYC now have high ceilings in the 10-12 ft. range. It's all up in the air, really. I hope he just throws them a bone, give some cummunity space, and get this going.

billyblancoNYCII
Oct 17, 2004, 8:40 PM
Nice to think that Ratner is now planning to alter both Downtown NY and Downtown Brooklyn in the nect few years. It's about time people other than Trump step up!

FerrariEnzo
Oct 17, 2004, 9:20 PM
^Midtown as well, NYtimes......

FerrariEnzo
Oct 17, 2004, 9:37 PM
Well how about this, assuming there will be 20 floors office and 55 residential. Office marked at 14.1 and residential marked at 11. (20x14.1=282)+(55x11=605) yields a solid 887. Not factoring in any additional space for possible large lobby or mechanical floors or ornamental roof structures which I fully expect considering this is a Gehry after all.

knarfor
Oct 17, 2004, 11:47 PM
If it is going to be the second tallest building in downtown, that means it will be no shorter than 952 feet tall - counting spires. If you don't count spires, it will be no shorter than 927 feet tall. No matter what, it will make a huge impact. I'll have to add this to my future downtown rendering.

knarfor
Oct 18, 2004, 12:09 AM
The position is approximate:

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/3194/73rendeing_5_copy.jpg

The rendering shows downtown with the New WTC, the Goldman Sach's Tower, the Calatrava Tower, Gehry's tower. I just made Gehry's tower a glass box since I don't know what it will actually look like. The height is about ~960 ft.

Islander
Oct 18, 2004, 12:09 AM
Speaking of 40 wall street's height, why IS its roof listed at 927 feet in the diagrams? That's its spire pinnacle height. The roof is, well, somewhere between about 905 and 865 feet (I can't tell if those sections are observation rooms or just part of the spire). I remember because during the WTB war between the Chrysler building and 40 wall, it was stated that 927 feet was the top of 40 wall's spire, while the Chrysler's top was 925 feet before the spire was hoisted (strangely, its roof height is still listed as 925 feet by most sources dispite the addition of a couple of extra crown sections following raising of the spire). I THINK I'm correct on all this...

Lecom
Oct 18, 2004, 12:39 AM
Alright, what the hell's the "community" problem? Would they rather have a parking lot there with absolutely no community amenities at all?!

NYguy
Oct 18, 2004, 12:07 PM
I like the inclusion of the Calatrava tower. Gehry's tower will have some sort of crown at the top. Being in the 1,000 ft range (at the moment) and not surrounded by other towers, it will be a very visible landmark....


The position is approximate:

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/3194/73rendeing_5_copy.jpg

The rendering shows downtown with the New WTC, the Goldman Sach's Tower, the Calatrava Tower, Gehry's tower. I just made Gehry's tower a glass box since I don't know what it will actually look like. The height is about ~960 ft.

123elm
Oct 18, 2004, 1:14 PM
I can't wait to see a rendering!

Fabb
Oct 18, 2004, 5:35 PM
Forget Gehry.
I like knarfor's design !
Simple and elegant, with a nice texture.

FerrariEnzo
Oct 18, 2004, 7:30 PM
^Too boxy. I want some extravagence reminiscent of Woolworth.

Well call it Woolworth 2k4.

knarfor
Oct 18, 2004, 8:08 PM
Forget Gehry.
I like knarfor's design !
Simple and elegant, with a nice texture.

:haha: Thanks! David Childs taught me everything I know :D I'm calling up Ratner right now.

Kidding aside, I know what you mean. I tend to favor simpler designs myself.

JMGarcia
Oct 18, 2004, 8:25 PM
I hate to say it but I don't think I like what Goldman Sachs is going to do to the skyline. I like the building itself but it either needs to be taller or shorter than Amex.

Fabb
Oct 18, 2004, 8:47 PM
I hate to say it but I don't think I like what Goldman Sachs is going to do to the skyline. I like the building itself but it either needs to be taller or shorter than Amex.

That could be me talking !
Except that I wouldn't like it shorter.
And I'm not sure I like it a lot.

OK, that couldn't be me talking.

STERNyc
Oct 18, 2004, 11:28 PM
I hate to say it but I don't think I like what Goldman Sachs is going to do to the skyline. I like the building itself but it either needs to be taller or shorter than Amex.

I think that the curve is such a great finishing feature to the Battery Park City skyline that it really doesn’t affect the design if it’s shorter, taller, or the same height.

billyblancoNYCII
Oct 19, 2004, 3:39 AM
^Midtown as well, NYtimes......
Indeed. Good call.

billyblancoNYCII
Oct 19, 2004, 3:45 AM
I like the inclusion of the Calatrava tower. Gehry's tower will have some sort of crown at the top. Being in the 1,000 ft range (at the moment) and not surrounded by other towers, it will be a very visible landmark....


The position is approximate:

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/3194/73rendeing_5_copy.jpg

The rendering shows downtown with the New WTC, the Goldman Sach's Tower, the Calatrava Tower, Gehry's tower. I just made Gehry's tower a glass box since I don't know what it will actually look like. The height is about ~960 ft.

Fantastic job, really. Any way you could maybe add the 3 and 400 hundred footers for the Site 5B and 5C sites (southern end of tribeca, on the West Side Highway)? Don't mean to be pushy, you just do a hell of a job knarfor!

knarfor
Oct 19, 2004, 4:46 AM
Sure Billy Blanco.

To everyone: What other serious proposals and buildings are there that I have not drawn into that. I know of a few, but help me out with some links to webpages and threads here at the site.

NYguy
Oct 19, 2004, 12:15 PM
Sure Billy Blanco.

To everyone: What other serious proposals and buildings are there that I have not drawn into that. I know of a few, but help me out with some links to webpages and threads here at the site.

The 1 NY Place remains an option - its Downtown's largest remaining site (1.3 msf) outside of the WTC. It's likely that any development there would remain residential, considering the space being built at the WTC. But you could put a rendering of the old design in for kicks. From that particular angle, it would appear in between the Woolworth and Calatrava tower, or the Woolworth and AI...


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/29449556/original.jpg

JACKinBeantown
Oct 19, 2004, 1:08 PM
Is that Brighton Beach and Coney Island way in the distant background? And if so, what's that land mass beyond it to the right... Atlantis?

STERNyc
Oct 19, 2004, 3:15 PM
Sure Billy Blanco.

To everyone: What other serious proposals and buildings are there that I have not drawn into that. I know of a few, but help me out with some links to webpages and threads here at the site.



10 Barclay Street is another perfect candidate.

STERNyc
Oct 19, 2004, 3:21 PM
There is also another proposal for a site at 4 Hudson Square in Tribeca:

http://www.mrofficespace.com/ob/pix/mh/ms2012.jpg

Skyline placement:

http://www.trinityrealestate.org/development/hudsonsquare_4/4hudnorth.gif

http://www.trinityrealestate.org/development/hudsonsquare_4/4sitenorth.gif

If you want to include that too, be my guest.

http://www.trinityrealestate.org/development/hudsonsquare_4/

Islander
Oct 19, 2004, 8:44 PM
What about that large (I think 700 foot) residential planned for just south of the Woolworth? Anyone remember that one?

Gulcrapek
Oct 19, 2004, 9:44 PM
10 Barclay? The new design isn't public yet.

NYguy
Oct 19, 2004, 9:48 PM
Is that Brighton Beach and Coney Island way in the distant background? And if so, what's that land mass beyond it to the right... Atlantis?

Sandy Hook and the Jersey shore....

STERNyc
Oct 19, 2004, 9:57 PM
10 Barclay? The new design isn't public yet.

Either is Beekman Street Tower, WTC Tower 2,3,4,5, Site 5 B and C. In conclusion its a greater idea of what might come to pass.

STERNyc
Oct 19, 2004, 10:02 PM
Here’s 10 Barclay Street:

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/Derek2k3/6_12_Barclay_Street_7_Costas_Kondylis_Partners.jpg

Design changed???

FerrariEnzo
Oct 19, 2004, 11:32 PM
If so thank god. It was terrible.

Gulcrapek
Oct 20, 2004, 1:33 AM
The last articles said it was being changed somewhat. I don't know how much.

caw123
Oct 20, 2004, 4:39 PM
Hopefully it will have it's height halved, or design vastly improved, 10 Barclay.

billyblancoNYCII
Oct 21, 2004, 5:06 AM
Sure Billy Blanco.

To everyone: What other serious proposals and buildings are there that I have not drawn into that. I know of a few, but help me out with some links to webpages and threads here at the site.

Thanks very much. Keep up the great work.