[JACKinBeantown]

Woolworth is overestimated anyway.


LOL :haha:

[Patrick]

wow I had no Idea this building existed, it would probably look better if it was a little taller than the Woolworth Building.

[JACKinBeantown]

(oops... nevermind)

[NYguy]

NY SUN

New Visons Are Arising in Lower Manhattan

By DAVID LOMBINO - Staff Reporter of the Sun
August 28, 2006

Five years after the attacks of September 11, 2001, ground zero is a pit, a monument to intergovernmental feuds that have stalled construction. But steps away, a giant crane is topping off construction on a soaring new luxury apartment building, the latest in a series that have sprouted in Lower Manhattan.

While it could take years for construction at ground zero to reach street level, the 396-unit luxury apartment building at 10 Barclay St. has been rising like a weed on Miracle-Gro this summer and will be topped off at 50 stories in the next month. It will be the residential tower that has been built closest to ground zero since the terrorist attacks. Apartments will be ready to rent as soon as this spring, according to the developer, Glenwood Management Corporation.

The executive vice president of Glenwood Management, Gary Jacob, said that in contrast to government projects, "things seem to work a lot faster when you are working on your own."

As the five-year anniversary of the attacks approaches, 10 Barclay St. is a symbol of a booming downtown residential real estate market that was once a question mark. In the aftermath of the attacks, the city, state and federal government offered rent subsidies to keep residents in Lower Manhattan out of concern that occupancy rates would plummet. That program expired after two years, but now the residential population of Manhattan below Chambers Street has grown by more than 50% since 2001, to 36,000, according to the Alliance for Downtown New York.

The site of 10 Barclay St. was formerly home to a parking lot, a small commercial building, and a rectory.The developer purchased the much of the building lot in 2000 from Rolaco Services, a Saudi Arabian company whose founder, Abdul Aziz Abdullah Al-Sulaiman, was named a billionaire by Fortune. After the attacks, in 2002, Glenwood purchased the air rights from the adjacent building, St. Peter's Roman Catholic Church, and transferred them to their building site.

The total estimated project cost is $185 million, and in 2005 the state awarded the developer $135 million in tax-exempt Liberty Bonds, part of a federal program devised to spur revitalization downtown. Under the program, 5% of the units must be "moderate income" housing.

Designed by the architectural firm Costas Kondylis & Partners, the tall, slender building skeleton now visible as part of downtown's skyline will be clad in brick and limestone. It will contain a 75-car parking garage, an indoor swimming pool, a tenant's lounge, a playroom, a conference center, and a theater.

Mr. Jacob said that the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 never caused the developer to lose faith in the project, but he said that it caused logistical delays that slowed their construction plans.

Despite rising construction costs, Mr. Jacob said the delay would increase the building's profitability, as soaring rents in recent years will allow them to charge considerably more for the apartments.

"The downtown rental market is very, very strong. Downtown has come back in a very big way," Mr. Jacob said. "We are really optimistic about the rent-up prospects next spring."

Less than two blocks from 10 Barclay is the 16-acre void where the Twin Towers once stood. After years of delay and false starts, stemming from protracted negotiations between a myriad of stakeholders, including the city, the state, the Port Authority, and developer Larry Silverstein, construction began on the Freedom Tower in April.Work on the World Trade Center memorial resumes this month after a redesign and cost cutting process stalled the construction, which began in March.

The memorial is expected to open in time for September, 11, 2009, and the 1,776 foot tall Freedom Tower could be complete by 2011.

Mr. Jacob said: "I would have preferred a little more progress. Let's put it that way."

Downtown's housing stock has grown by more than 5,800 units, or a 38% increase, in the last five years, according to a recent report by the Downtown Alliance. About 4,700 more apartments are currently under construction, and the organization expects the residential population to rise to 50,000 by 2010. Since the terrorist attacks, 14 residential towers have gone up south of Chambers Street, according to the report.

A partial building permit was issued last week for a 68-story building with 650 units, designed by architect Frank Gehry and developed by Forest City Ratner, planned to the east of ground zero at 200 Beekman St. At more than 800 feet, it will be one of the city's tallest residential buildings.

Much of the residential growth downtown is in the form of conversions to apartments from aging office space — about 12 million square feet in the last five years, according to a recent report by the real estate firm, Jones Lange LaSalle.

Only one commercial tower has been completed in Lower Manhattan, 7 World Trade Center, owned by Silverstein Properties.Goldman Sachs is hoping to complete a new headquarters near ground zero in 2009.

The developer of 10 Barclay St., Glenwood Management, is controlled by Leonard Litwin, a veteran developer of rental properties who has developed over 3,000 units across the city. The company also received $95 million in Liberty Bonds to build 10 Liberty St., a 45-story, 287-unit rental building that is now open for business in the Financial District.

Over the next few years, private entrepreneurs and the city, state, and federal government will dump an estimated $20 billion into construction projects in Lower Manhattan, potentially filling the streets with traffic, pollution, and noise.

But Mr. Jacob is confident that 10 Barclay, steps from all the anticipated construction at ground zero — including three giant office buildings around the corner on Church Street — will still be desirable to potential tenants.

"I think the fact that there are more office buildings there will only enhance our rental buildings and increase the demand," he said.

[hoosier]

So any picture updates of this tower?

[NYguy]

So any picture updates of this tower?

Someone will post them soon, or I'll have to get them myself.

[hoosier]

Someone will post them soon, or I'll have to get them myself.

That's cool. This baby should be topped out by now one would think.

[NYguy]

This tower has turned out to be a pleasant surprise for me.
It's much better than the renderings had me believe it would be. I like it!

Septermber 3, 2006

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So much for Woolworth, at least from this angle. But with the coming WTC towers, it was going anyway.

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[colemonkee]

Nice shots! I think this tower's saving grace is that it has a fair amount of reflective glass on it, which makes it seem a bit lighter. What material is the rest of the facade? Is it painted concrete or stone? And is the top of this tower asymetrical, or am I just smoking crack?

As for the Woolworth, there's still the great view from the foot of the Brooklyn Bridge, which was always my favorite.

[hoosier]

Wow, NyGuy, you were busy this weekend! I agree that this tower looks much nicer than in the renderings.

[NYguy]

Wow, NyGuy, you were busy this weekend! I agree that this tower looks much nicer than in the renderings.

Yeah, its much nicer than the renderings. A pleasant surprise.

[NYguy]

Nice shots! I think this tower's saving grace is that it has a fair amount of reflective glass on it, which makes it seem a bit lighter. What material is the rest of the facade? Is it painted concrete or stone? And is the top of this tower asymetrical, or am I just smoking crack?


You can put the crack down, but it does appear slightly asymetrical. Also, I think its a combination of the glass and the slight curves around the edges that make the building attractive.

[Scruffy]

NY GUY. thats funny. I guess i followed your path just a day later. Ive been planning on taking this photo taking trip on monday for a while. oh well, you beat me to it. but i might as well post my spoils

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/Scruffy69/DSC01592.jpg

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if anything this shot proves that this tower would look better with a pointy crown.
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/Scruffy69/DSC01618.jpg

Very close to hitting its max height
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/Scruffy69/DSC01690.jpg

[NYguy]

NY GUY. thats funny. I guess i followed your path just a day later. Ive been planning on taking this photo taking trip on monday for a while. oh well, you beat me to it. but i might as well post my spoils

Very close to hitting its max height
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/Scruffy69/DSC01690.jpg

Its a nice addition to Downtown. I agree that it would probably look better with a spire or pointed crown. It would also compliment Woolworth better that way. But I still like it.

[Jonovision]

WOW! Great update on all the towers. Is it just me or does it seem like most of these have sprouted up overnight?!

[Jularc]

Private construction in NYC is usually very fast. I wish I can say the same about Public construction. :rolleyes:

Great shots NYguy & Scruffy! :cheers:

[NYguy]

WOW! Great update on all the towers. Is it just me or does it seem like most of these have sprouted up overnight?!

Yeah, these towers all seem to start out slow, but once they start rising there's no stopping. Even 7 WTC went up the same way.

[gripja]

I haven't taken many pics of this one even tho I see it all the time -- anyways heres a couple shots, I'll post the first one on the 200 chambers street thread as well.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c182/gripja/dtny.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c182/gripja/30barclay.jpg

[hoosier]

Has it topped out yet?

[Jularc]

^ Nope there is a crown still to go.

[gripja]

I believe so, I am pretty sure I saw an American flag waving up top. So I may take that to mean that the buildings topped off.

edit: i didnt think about the crown as jularc stated but i believe the building is up to its top floor.

[Thskyscraper]

NIce, I need to get Downtown I haven't been there in a while.

[Lecom]

Great shots everybody.

I must admot the building looks very impressive in person though, having a quality that photos just cannot transcend.

[Antares41]

People seem to be warming-up to this building despite it proximaty to Woolworth bldg.

[NYguy]

September 26, 2006

The view from the 45th floor of 7 WTC...

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[Jularc]

September 26, 2006

The view from the 45th floor of 7 WTC...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/67581890/medium.jpg


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Nice shots. You are lucky to get up there. :tup:

[NYguy]

Nice shots. You are lucky to get up there. :tup:

Not so lucky. It's open to the public (45th floor) for that photography exhibit until sometime in October. I forget the link, but its in the 7 WTC thread.

Also, note that in the last photo Gehry's Beekman St tower would rise in the background, between Woolworth and the Barclay building.

[Jularc]

^ Ha! I didn't know. :D I need to get myself up there then. Those views I can't missed :worship:

[NYguy]

^ Ha! I didn't know. :D I need to get myself up there then. Those views I can't missed :worship:

Well, I will say this. Those photos don't do it justice. I'll post more in another thread, but it is a must for anyone who can go. The photography exhibit itself was nice, but the views are not to be ignored. It was like being on top of the Twins once again. Amazingly the deck at the Freedom Tower will be twice as high...

[gripja]

Thanks for the info NYguy -- I'm there!!

[Thskyscraper]

That is a very thin tower. It actually blends in nicely with its surrounding. It's a nice addition.

[NYguy]

From this Port Authority photo, you can see how this new tower rises above
ground zero (right). You can also see the "tiny" 200 Chambers St. (left)

http://www.pathrestoration.com/drp/images/WTCSiteCOverlay.jpg

[BINARY SYSTEM]

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/67581890/large.jpg
Let's not forget about this bad little mamma jamma!

[hoosier]

So is this building topped out yet?

[NYguy]

So is this building topped out yet?

I believe it is...

November 12, 2006

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[H-man]

this is coming out better than i anticipated

[hoosier]

Great shots NYguy. Too bad the weather wasn't cooperating.

[TechTalkGuy]

Great shots (considering the weather), nyguy! http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/BigSmile.gif

[NYguy]

This really is a cool building, one that's gone under the radar Downtown. Large residential towers are sprouting up both above and below the WTC. There really was no need to get one built on the actual site.

[Fabb]

That is a very thin tower. It actually blends in nicely with its surrounding.

It blends so much that it'll be the invisible building, even thouh not transparent. It's not really a valuable gift to the city skyline.

[TechTalkGuy]

It blends so much that it'll be the invisible building, even thouh not transparent. It's not really a valuable gift to the city skyline.
Let's not get carried away here.

I feel the added density of a skyscraper should not be taken for granted (especially since 9/11).

Unlike Fabb, I welcome every new sky tower in New York with much gratitude. :tup:

[NYguy]

It's not so much what it means to the skyline as it is what it brings and means to Downtown, particularly the area that it's in. It has a positive impact on so many levels, despite it's proximity to Woolworth.

[kznyc2k]

11/20.. my nickname for this building is "Zoltar"

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/2389/dscf0052li6.jpg

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[NYguy]

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4324/dscf0074nz4.jpg

Simple, yet classy looking. Downtown will soon be the new Uptown with more towers like this one...

[Antares41]

Behind the Atelier, 15 CPW and Friar tower, IMO this is the best residential tower being built in NYC, which is surprising since initially from the rendering it did not look promising. Looks like it going to have a distinctive crown. My only gripe is it proximaty to the Woolworth Bldg. But, it simpleness, shape and color seems to limit it intrusiveness. From certain angles it forms a nice cluster with the Woolworth and Transportation bldgs.:yes:

[NYguy]

Behind the Atelier, 15 CPW and Friar tower, IMO this is the best residential tower being built in NYC, which is surprising since initially from the rendering it did not look promising.

This is one of the few cases in which the tower atually looked worse in the rendering. The residents will have excellent views of the Woolworth, the WTC, and the east river bridges...:tup:

[CGII]

I would've praised this tower if it were on the UES, but in this location I seriously can't get into it at all. It's a good design, far out of place.

[-GR2NY-]

This shot makes me feel like -----> If you put a basketball hoop on the roof, I could dunk. wtf/??

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/2389/dscf0052li6.jpg

[Jonovision]

The crown does look interesting. I hope it's lit up at night.

[kznyc2k]

It's shaping up to be a modern-day interpretation of flying buttresses. Perhaps a nod to its gothic neighbor...?

[Fabb]

I'm doing my best to like it, but it's definitely a mediocre building.

[tristp]

how can the live with themselves putting up such a piece of shit beside one of the most beautiful buildings in new york?

[NYguy]

I would've praised this tower if it were on the UES, but in this location I seriously can't get into it at all. It's a good design, far out of place.

That's what's special about it. Downtown is changing, and we're getting new residential towers, the kind normally reserved for Midtown and Uptown. I said Downtown was the new uptown, but its really the new Downtown.

[NYguy]

A look at the tower's proximity to ground zero...

http://www.pathrestoration.com/drp/images/WTCSiteOverlay2.jpg

[antinimby]

The crown seems to be different than the renderings, unless they are not close to completion yet.

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/38237471/medium.jpg

[NYguy]

The crown seems to be different than the renderings, unless they are not close to completion yet.


It looks more asymetrical than the rendering.

[antinimby]

No, it's clearly symetrical.

I was talking more about it being open (actual) versus enclosed (rendering).

I like it the way it looks now.

[NYguy]

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3433/dscf0070pg7.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4324/dscf0074nz4.jpg


From these angles you can see it's slightly asymetrical, but the open crown would be an improvement.

[kznyc2k]

But this shows the crown is symmetrical. The corners are slightly chamfered, making the left (east) side look shorter than the right.

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/2389/dscf0052li6.jpg

[NYguy]

I'll get a closer look at it today. The cladding should be finished, so we'll get a better look at what the completed crown will look like along with the Woolworth.

[CGII]

That's what's special about it. Downtown is changing, and we're getting new residential towers, the kind normally reserved for Midtown and Uptown. I said Downtown was the new uptown, but its really the new Downtown.
I suppose, but that logic doesn't really work for me. The location should have really been embraced here, instead of photocopying uptown towers, because the location is really unique and different, and offered tons of potential. I mean, you can plop a new world's tallest in White Plains and call it the new Downtown but that doesn't make it appropriate.

I'll wait for the crown to finish up before my final judgement, though.

[TechTalkGuy]

I'll wait for the crown to finish up before my final judgement, though.
Agreed. :yes:

I saw it yesterday in the midst of a very hectic shopping day.

[NYguy]

NOVEMBER 26, 2006

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[JACKinBeantown]

I was scared when I first saw the rendering for this building, but I think the actual building is turning out better than the rendering. Phew.

[NYguy]

Night view from 7 WTC...
http://gawker.com/photogallery/valentinorockroselaunch/
http://gawker.com/photogallery/valentinorockroselaunch/622284

http://www.gawker.com/assets/images/gallery/7/2006/11/299622826_464a1b9ef8_o.jpg

[Thskyscraper]

I was scared when I first saw the rendering for this building, but I think the actual building is turning out better than the rendering. Phew.
Yeah, looks very pleasing close up, mixes in well with the surrounding buildings.

[ATLBlaxican]

Yeah, looks very pleasing close up, mixes in well with the surrounding buildings.

Couldn't agree more!!

[Jularc]

Great shots NYguy! I will like to see it all finished up with its crown. :cool:

I wonder if the crown will be lit up some how. I sure hope so.

[ZZ-II]

great tower

[NYguy]

Great shots NYguy! I will like to see it all finished up with its crown. :cool:

I wonder if the crown will be lit up some how. I sure hope so.

I hope so also. It would give Woolworth some company at night.

[TechTalkGuy]

Update: 12/17/2006
10 Barclay Street
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[Patrick]

Looks Great! It compliments the next door Transportation Building, and the Woolworth Bldg. It completes the nice 3 tower cluster. What dose it look like from the City Hall Park? Someone should take a shot of that :)

[malec]

Great! Really like this one for some reason

[kznyc2k]

I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I think you guys are nuts. It's nothing more than mediocre.

[EDDYC]

Wow Fish, you really hit the town yesterday. You're camera can make any building look good. Even Barclay Street and Verizon looked good in your pics.

[NYguy]

More of the same. This building really did turn out to be a nice surprise. With
more towers planned and beginning construction, there will be a buzz in this part
of Manhattan that wasn't there before...

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[TechTalkGuy]

Wow Fish, you really hit the town yesterday. You're camera can make any building look good. Even Barclay Street and Verizon looked good in your pics.
:D Thanks EDDYC! :cheers:

[Antares41]

Obviously this should be moved to highrise construction.

[gripja]

^ Am I missing something?

Heres the view from down Barclay & West Sts:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c182/gripja/lookindownBarclay.jpg

[NYguy]

^ Am I missing something?

Skyscraper developments are now in either "proposal" or "construction" forums..

BTW, that particular view of the Woolworth will be lost, as Barclay becomes Manhattan's
newest canyon...http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=122343

[Patrick]

Our diagrams say this tower is 178 Meters High. But theres no way it can be that small.

Look at this pic, the tower rises up to the bottom of Woolworth's Pyramid.
http://www.gawker.com/assets/images/gallery/7/2006/11/299622826_464a1b9ef8_o.jpg

It has to be at least 210 Meters. Were is this 178 Meter height from?

[antinimby]

178 m may be from New York's Dept. of Buildings.

It doesn't not take into consideration crowns and other non-ocuppied spaces at the top.

You can probably add another 10 m to that figure to get the height to the very top.

Also, this building is closer to the camera than Woolworth, so take that into consideration also when looking at them.

[BayRidgeFever]

But this shows the crown is symmetrical. The corners are slightly chamfered, making the left (east) side look shorter than the right.

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/2389/dscf0052li6.jpg

This pic shows the height nicely. The transportation building is 545 feet high. This tower rises 7 stories above that, plus the crown which is about 3 stories high. That's about 100 feet, the official height is probably close to 650 feet.

[NYguy]

^ Silverstein's new tower will block that view of 10 Barclay...

[Antares41]

178 m may be from New York's Dept. of Buildings.

It doesn't not take into consideration crowns and other non-ocuppied spaces at the top.

You can probably add another 10 m to that figure to get the height to the very top.

Also, this building is closer to the camera than Woolworth, so take that into consideration also when looking at them.

Agree! I illustrate enough NYC bldgs. to know that NYC DOB figures rarely reflect true height of a building, especially residentials. I say you could easily add 50-70 ft. to the DOB official height figure.

[Lecom]

December 28, 2006

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/563/pict001110barclayucdec0lk3.jpg

Transportation Building's the one that got the bad end of the deal. Check out all these windows that are now pretty much blocked (the brown tower on the right of Woolworth):

http://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/03/444870.jpg

[CGII]

Woolworth's gonna get that same deal as soon as Silverstein puts up his new tower...

[Lecom]

Let him do it. Woolworth's back side is not that important that the rest of the block must be preserved just so the backside of Woolworth would be more visible. It's Woolworth's front that makes the building the famous icon that it is, besides its silhoutte on the skyline.

[antinimby]

^ What he said.

[Patrick]

The Skyline probably looked its best in 2001. Not to dense, not to sparse. I think the Woolworth Building and Transportation Building looked great by themselves. 10 Barclay looks fine there but a little to bunched in. It depends on Silverstein's tower's height, if its about the same height as 10 Barclay then the 4 towers will make a real close cluster, too close.

Hopefully Silverstein's Tower will eather be as small as the Transportation Bldg, or taller than the Woolworth Building. If its in the same height rage as 10 Barclay and Woolworth then :yuck:

[CGII]

Let him do it. Woolworth's back side is not that important that the rest of the block must be preserved just so the backside of Woolworth would be more visible. It's Woolworth's front that makes the building the famous icon that it is, besides its silhoutte on the skyline.

Not saying I disagree with you. ;)


I do disagree with Patrick. I think the skyline looked most glorious form the 30's to the 50's, when there were three discernable peaks to downtown and those three monsters on the Eastern tip got put up.

[Patrick]

I do disagree with Patrick. I think the skyline looked most glorious form the 30's to the 50's, when there were three discernable peaks to downtown and those three monsters on the Eastern tip got put up.

I thought it looked best in 2001, not only with the WTC, but Times Square, and Battery Park City werent too built up. The Woolworth and Transportation Buildings ruled the City Hall Area. Plus Jersey City didnt have that huge ugly Goldman Sachs Tower.

But I do know when the city was at its worst, the 1980's. :yuck:

[NYguy]

Hopefully Silverstein's Tower will eather be as small as the Transportation Bldg, or taller than the Woolworth Building. If its in the same height rage as 10 Barclay and Woolworth then :yuck:

It will have (at this point) 58-stories, so it'll either be around or higher than 10 Barclay....

[NYguy]

Let him do it. Woolworth's back side is not that
important that the rest of the block must be preserved just so the backside
of Woolworth would be more visible. It's Woolworth's front that makes the
building the famous icon that it is, besides its silhoutte on the skyline.

We'll always have this view of Woolworth...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/70858461/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/70858463/large.jpg


And the views from City Hall Park...

http://www1.cs.columbia.edu/~sedwards/photos/misc2004/.slide_20040912-3439_Woolworth_from_City_Hall_Park.jpg
http://www1.cs.columbia.edu/~sedwards/photos/misc2004/.slide_20040912-3439_Woolworth_from_City_Hall_Park.jpg


Open space around Woolworth...

http://jschumacher.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/woolworth_new.jpg


And there'll always be that sign in front warning tourists to keep away....:)

[Lecom]

Is there a thread on Silverstein's new tower?

[drew11]

yes

[Lecom]

Where?

[NYguy]

Where?


Proposals:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=122343

[NYguy]

JANUARY 14, 2007

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[Dac150]

Who ever will live there will have such kick ass views of the WTC going up. Even when its built.