NEW YORK | 10 Barclay St | HEIGHT | 56 FLOORS

[NYguy]

Don't know what happend to the older thread, but here it is again:


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/38237471/medium.jpg


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[NYguy]

A look at the site, MAY 15, 2005


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/43447862.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/43447854.jpg


Note the new 7 WTC just up the block...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/43447843.jpg

[Matty]

Design revision NEEDED.

[JACKinBeantown]

I second that motion.

[carfreak01]

^Third'd. A building this tall, with a cookie-cutter res. highrise design? No.

[NYguy]

Design revision NEEDED.

Ironically, this is a revised design.

Here's an earlier look:

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/Derek2k3/6_12_Barclay_Street_7_Costas_Kondylis_Partners.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/38237489/medium.jpghttp://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/38237471/medium.jpg

[buildup]

A little improvement but needs some more improvement. Is this project ready to start?

[Stephenapolis]

Well it does look better than the original plan. But it is still a dated design IMO. But it is not too bad.

[Lecom]

The old design was better.

[NYguy]

A little improvement but needs some more improvement. Is this project ready to start?

They are working now.

[JACKinBeantown]

It looks like it's part of Trump's Riverside project between 59th and 72nd.

[NYguy]

To me, this building would look better without the setbacks. But its so close to the Woolworth Building, that had to be taken into account. Ironically, the Woolworth is going residential.

[Fabb]

Imagine the views of the Woolworth from 56, Barclay...it'll be like a dream.

[bayrider]

i actually like the design, it has a new-age art deco feel to it if done right in real life... of course the renderings arent too clear either.

is their a height figure for this building?

[TalB]

At least this will be the first new building the Civic Ctr gets since the Foley Sq Courthouse and the apartments that are near it back in 1999.

[lakegz]

I didnt know the Woolworth building was going residential. I thought Met Life was the only classic skyscraper soon to undergo renovation.

[Patrick]

Cool 56 stories, but like carfreak01 said to cookie cutter. Its not unique, too boring, but 56 stories cool!

[NYguy]

I didnt know the Woolworth building was going residential. I thought Met Life was the only classic skyscraper soon to undergo renovation.

Yeah, they planned to convert the Woolworth a while back, but then the office space crunch happened and those plans were canceled. Then 9/11 happened, and we are building 10 msf of space at the WTC.

There are a number of classic NY buildings going residential, including the Williamsburgh Bank tower in Brooklyn (hear Magic Johnson is in on that one), and 90 West St.

[Lecom]

There's a whole lot of buildings in Downtown becoming residential. Example: The Crest (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=116081)

[STERNyc]

At least this will be the first new building the Civic Ctr gets since the Foley Sq Courthouse and the apartments that are near it back in 1999.

This is not located in the Civic Center.

[TalB]

It would be better if the boundary between the Civic Ctr and the Financial Dist wasn't so confusing b/c by City Hall Pk, it changes with Park Row and Broadway being the borderlines.

[NYguy]

It would be better if the boundary between the Civic Ctr and the Financial Dist wasn't so confusing b/c by City Hall Pk, it changes with Park Row and Broadway being the borderlines.

It's not really so confusing. The buildings with city offices are in the civic center and the financial district doesn't have any.

I'm sure this will be advertised as a new Tribeca building...

[igzaklee]

DIG the height, but design...

[Stratosphere 2020]

Design now is better than the older design. Boxes is just so un New York.

[RLS_rls]

No wonder why all the hot news is in Dubai or China, at least they try when they design something. This is just weak. But maybe it'll look better when it's done.

[NYguy]

No wonder why all the hot news is in Dubai or China, at least they try when they design something. This is just weak. But maybe it'll look better when it's done.

All the "hot" news is in Dubai or China because they're doing what New York did almost a century ago - build new and interesting towers at heights no one was imagining back then. Skyscrapers have lost a lot of significance in the US - and was doing so even before 9/11. We don't see them as status symbols anymore (unfortunately for us skyscraper lovers). So we let the other places build them now. Proposals for tall towers are now likely to cause outrage. And lets face it, the government is totally different here.

I'd like to see what gets built in China and Dubai after two 110-story towers, or their two tallest towers get destroyed in a terrorist attack. Maybe they would rebuild, but we don't know that. New York is unique that way. It will take time, but we'll get there again.

[STERNyc]

No wonder why all the hot news is in Dubai or China, at least they try when they design something. This is just weak. But maybe it'll look better when it's done.

All the "hot" news is in Dubai or China because they're doing what New York did almost a century ago - build new and interesting towers at heights no one was imagining back then. Skyscrapers have lost a lot of significance in the US - and was doing so even before 9/11. We don't see them as status symbols anymore (unfortunately for us skyscraper lovers). So we let the other places build them now. Proposals for tall towers are now likely to cause outrage. And lets face it, the government is totally different here.

I'd like to see what gets built in China and Dubai after two 110-story towers, or their two tallest towers get destroyed in a terrorist attack. Maybe they would rebuild, but we don't know that. New York is unique that way. It will take time, but we'll get there again.

But NYGUY, that's not entirely true, look at your own signature.

[Procurator]

ewwwww

[JACKinBeantown]

But none of the buildings in Stern's signature really break out of the top of the existing skyline. Not to get into a spire debate (that's not my point), but the roofs of three of those buildings are below 900 feet and the other one may not even get built at the rate they're going. And if the Freedom Tower does get built with it's current design (or similar) the roof of the actual building will only be at 1100 feet. It's only the spires/antennae of these buildings that will be at the really high levels, not the building parts where the people will be.

[NYguy]

But NYGUY, that's not entirely true, look at your own signature.


Agreed Stern. I was just speaking to his perception. It can actually be said that New York is building taller than it ever has, with the number of new towers supassing the city's second tallest - the Chrysler.

Despite what Jack thinks, the Freedom Tower in its last incarnation topped off at 1,150 ft - higher than Trump Tower Chicago which is a pretty tall building in its own right. And in the new design will reach even higher. Very significant for a city that wasn't supposed to be building taller than 50 stories at all. And as we know, most of New York's earlier tallest included spires, just as the new batch of world's tallest currently do.

[NYguy]

The tower will rise above Church St (near the Woolworth) in this shot posted by gripja in the 7 WTC thread...


http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/532/5440looking_down_church_street.jpg

[JACKinBeantown]

But none of the buildings in Stern's signature...
I'm sorry, I meant NYguy's signature.

[gripja]

Thats cool NYguy, i will try to get future shots of the progress of 10 Barclay from the above location-- i haven't wandered down to barclay st to check out the progress in a while but last time i was there there was no reason even to do so as of yet. I'm not even excited about this project -- i hope it surprises me.

[gripja]

Heres an shot taken today of what this project looks like. It has to be a delicate job to build right next to the oldest RC Church in Manhattan (Which stairs I was standing on to get this pic)

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/532/5440foundation_work.jpg

[JACKinBeantown]

Interesting to see that they're actually getting close to the vertical growth part. Does it look like it will be a good neighbor to the old church.

[NYguy]

Heres an shot taken today of what this project looks like. It has to be a delicate job to build right next to the oldest RC Church in Manhattan (Which stairs I was standing on to get this pic)

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/532/5440foundation_work.jpg


This has got to be one of the slowest developments in Manhattan. I'm sure they'll pick up the pace once it starts climbing though.

[Stephenapolis]

Of course it is moving slow. There are only 5 people working on it. And only one looks to be actually doing any work. ;)

[Lecom]

I like how they have toe wooden walkway to the back of the church, complete with those temporary wooden crosses above the gates.

[NYguy]

Of course it is moving slow. There are only 5 people working on it. And only one looks to be actually doing any work. ;)


At that rate, we'll find Osama before this thing gets built...:eek:

[Lecom]

Set to rise between the Transportation Building (the tall brown one) and the church
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/10/411998.jpg

Check out Chase Manhattan Bank on the upper right
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/10/412005.jpg

They already got all the necessary tools of trade - from the crane...
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/10/412008.jpg

...to the johns
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/10/412013.jpg

Damn, the grit, the density, the multi-level vertical city... just imagine the views from the tower looking south when it's completed
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/10/412012.jpg

[sactjs]

i don't know about this one. does it remind anyone else of a robot?

http://www.csus.edu/org/bap/medium.jpg

[NYguy]

DECEMBER 11, 2005


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[Antares41]

For a residential this one is moving soooooo slow!

[Spooky873]

i don't know about this one. does it remind anyone else of a robot?

http://www.csus.edu/org/bap/medium.jpg

reminds me of the intergalactic video by the beastie boys.

[James Bond Agent 007]

A crane at the site! Yay! :banana:

[NYguy]

JANUARY 8, 2006

Finally, we get moving...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/54622558/medium.jpg


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[Jularc]

Great to see this one going up!

[gripja]

Don't know what happend to the older thread, but here it is again:
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/38237471/medium.jpg

No building showing yet :cool:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c182/gripja/barclayrendering.jpg

[JACKinBeantown]

Nice photo comparison Gripja.

To nitpick, I'd stand slightly further back and just a little more to the left. I'm looking at the placement of that seven-story beige building in relation to the red one on the left, and at how high its roofline is as compared to the white building behind it.

[vid]

It looks decent-ish. As long as it doesnt block the view of Woolworth, that's building is a masterpiece.

[NYguy]

No building showing yet :cool:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c182/gripja/barclayrendering.jpg_http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/38237471/medium.jpg


It a pretty accurate photo...

[gripja]

I hear ya JackinNYC, if I stand a little further back and to the left it would be more accurate, I'll try that next time(in about 5 months when you can see some steel) I just worry about cars a little when I am standing in the middle of the street, yea its Hudson St. and theres never any traffic coming up it but those damn bike delivery guys travel all different ways :D .

Yea NYguy, the only thing I don't see as too accurate in the rendering tho is that the Woolworth building looks HUGE. Unfortunetely, this new building won't look as impressive when completed either.

[NYguy]

Yea NYguy, the only thing I don't see as too accurate in the rendering tho is that the Woolworth building looks HUGE. Unfortunetely, this new building won't look as impressive when completed either.


Those two towers (Woolworth and Barclay) were made more prominent in the rendering, not unusual. Also you have no leaves on your trees. Couldn't you do something about that?

[JACKinBeantown]

Well if he waits five months he'll have the leaves thing covered. :)

Also... another nitpicky thing that might help... if you zoom in a little it will make the Woolworth fill the image frame a little more. (Sorry, I work in advertising. I can't help myself.))

[Fabb]

How come there's only one crappy rendering ? It seems like the developers don't want to advertise their project.

[gripja]

I still have to try to get the rendering shot a little more accurate. In the meantime here is a closeup taken from across Church St. looking towards Broadway:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c182/gripja/10barclay.jpg

[Jularc]

^ Thats great! :) Thanks for the update!

[NYguy]

Well, at least its progress, although I had hoped they would be a little further along than that. Where did they get these snails from?;)

[Spooky873]

i don't know about this one. does it remind anyone else of a robot?

http://www.csus.edu/org/bap/medium.jpg

it still reminds me of the robot from the beastie boys - intergalactic music vid.

[Lecom]

February 15, 2006

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/03/440510.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/03/440511.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/03/440513.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/03/440514.jpg

[NYguy]

A few more to go with those, and check for progress...

MARCH 5, 2006


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[Lecom]

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/03/442375.jpg

[NYguy]

That last shot reminds me, by the end of this month or early next month we
should be seeing this tower peek out from behind other buildings and rise with
the Woolworth. You can see the crane below also...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/56900010/large.jpg

[Spooky873]

woooooooooooooooo, is the base of 7wtc supposed to look like that?

[JACKinBeantown]

Yeah, not a very exciting building.

[ArchMadness]

Wow, they are really wedging this building in there.

[Jularc]

March 18, 2006:


http://i.pbase.com/o4/55/435155/1/57425644.IMG_8097.jpg

http://i.pbase.com/o4/55/435155/1/57425640.IMG_8102.jpg

[NYguy]

Yeah, not a very exciting building.

The excitement is that its the only real construction at ground zero since 9/11. And its basically completed. The lesson learned? Look what progress can be made when the government (ahem, Pataki) gets out of the way.

[Lecom]

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/03/444919.jpg

[Spooky873]

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiise

[CGII]

http://i.pbase.com/o4/55/435155/1/57425640.IMG_8102.jpg
Those bay windows are gonna look hideous.

[NYguy]

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/03/444919.jpg


This really is a very slender tower. More evidence to the fact that you really can put a residential anywhere in New York. This tower is just around the corner from ground zero, as are many other residential towers going up. Yet, Bloomberg's just gotta get on on ground zero itself.

[Lecom]

^also check out how little space there is behind the tower

[Lecom]

First glass, nice and reflective, probably the best solution for these stupid bay windows
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1342/pict008310barclayucapr06window1.jpg

Walking down Broadway

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4035/pict006310barclayucapr06tothen.jpg

The two spires
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/3936/pict006610barclayucapr06tothen.jpg

Work at the top
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4449/pict006910barclayucapr06tothen.jpg

A tree grows...
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1214/pict007010barclayucapr06tothen.jpg

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9688/pict007810barclayucapr06base1s.jpg

It's getting tall fast
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/907/pict007910barclayucapr06lookin.jpg

Workers...
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4063/pict008010barclayucapr06basewo.jpg

...waiting for the bin to come down...
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/7353/pict008110barclayucapr06basewo.jpg

...so they can get it ready...
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/522/pict008210barclayucapr06basewo.jpg

...and refill with concrete to send it back up
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/199/pict008410barclayucapr06basewo.jpg

Yea they work fast, no wonder it's this tall already
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7015/pict008810barclayucapr06lookin.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1333/pict008610barclayucapr06base24.jpg

It was just about four stories tall in the beginning of March
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/4540/pict008710barclayucapr06lookin.jpg

[Jularc]

^ Very cool Lecom! :tup:

Wow and I remember the SLOW process to get it off the ground! :rolleyes:

[Spooky873]

I like the cladding but the top of this thing is weird.

[Lecom]

May 18, 2006

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/05/459126.jpg

Already looks tall, yet it's just about 1/3 of total height
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/05/459127.jpg

This bad boy's already up to Transportation Bldg.'s setbacks
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/05/459132.jpg

Barclay Street, now with 7WTC, Barclay-Vesey, Transportation, Woolworth and 10 Barclay among others is becoming a considerable skyscraper corridor
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/05/459135.jpg

This is gonna be one slender tower
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/05/459137.jpg

Windows being installed
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/05/459210.jpg

[Scruffy]

June 1
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/Scruffy88/Bk2.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/Scruffy88/Bk4.jpg

[gripja]

Nice shots Lecom & Scruffy. I walked down Church last week and was amazed to see how high this one has got. Took pics but forgot to post them, they sucked anyways it was cloudy & dark out.

[JACKinBeantown]

What a shame. This was a wonderful view of all these beautiful old buildings. Now we get this thing. Oh well, some call it progress.


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/Scruffy88/Bk2.jpg

[Scruffy]

^ It is not as good a view because of this tower but this view is from across Ground Zero so in 5 years or so, it would have been lost anyways by either Freedom Tower or WTC2 standing in the way. so it is what it is

[Lecom]

July 24, 2006

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/07/476142.jpg

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[NYguy]

JULY 22, 2006


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[Fabb]

This construction is fast.
How many more floors to go ?

[hoosier]

I can't wait to check this baby out when I go to NYC for the first time this Thanksgiving! How tall is it now?

[kznyc2k]

Although you'll most likely be in the general area due to the WTC site and all, this is one of the projects least worthy of checking out. There's nothing special about it - in fact, it's downright crap. You'd be better off saving your time for a trip to newly done Columbus Circle (very very nice plaza) and admire the Time Warner Center, and 15 Central Park West, by Robert Stern, currently going up a block north. That has real limestone and detail (no way!) befitting of its address. Besides the Bank of America and NY Times towers, which you should also check out, 15 CPW is the best new development going on right now.

[NYguy]

Besides the Bank of America and NY Times towers, which you should also check out, 15 CPW is the best new development going on right now.

That is a nice tower, and worth checking out:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=84043&page=3

But this one is notable for what it brings to the area, its worth taking a look at if you're in the area, which is just a few steps away from 7 WTC.

[kznyc2k]

I see what you're saying, and I have to agree. But I'm guessing he'll be at the WTC site checking it and 7WTC out, in which case he'll already be right there. I guess I was just saying it isn't worth it to make the two block trip over to it to inspect up close, even though it's only a couple minutes out of the way. Judging by what we've seen so far, it's probably best viewed from afar anyway.

[gripja]

This building may be worth the visit to look up @ it from close, especially for someone coming to NYC for the first time. Yea there are other bigger & better projects goin up in town right now but this tower is very slender for its height and is being built on a very small site, something that is not seen in many cities.

Plus for someone coming to the city for the first time after you visit the WTC site I would suggest to walk by this site on the way to checking out the Woolworth Building, City Hall Park & venture back down Nassau to S. St. Seaport, Lots to see in lower Manhattan besides 7 WTC.

[Lecom]

Shots taken yesterday

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/08/477576.jpg

The tower shits all over Transportation Building moreso than anything else

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/08/477577.jpg

It makes Barclay Street into even more of a dark canyon

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/08/477578.jpg

...which isn't necessarily a bad thing, imo

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/08/477579.jpg

Facade is conventional, but at least it won't compete with Woolworth for glam

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/08/477580.jpg

[JACKinBeantown]

Yeah, in most parts of town this building would be acceptable, but right where it is messes up the whole coolness factor of all the buildings on either side of it.

[Antares41]

Yeah, in most parts of town this building would be acceptable, but right where it is messes up the whole coolness factor of all the buildings on either side of it.

I agree! although it is turning out better than I thought the location just rubs me the wrong way. But it will be a great location for the residents( i.e. close to transportation , etc). I may have liked it better if the building were in BPC.

[NYguy]

Yeah, in most parts of town this building would be acceptable, but right where it is messes up the whole coolness factor of all the buildings on either side of it.

I don't know about a "coolness" factore of all the buildings around it. Save the Woolworth building, the rest aren't impressive at all.

As far as this tower goes, it looks better in person than it did in the renderings.

[Lecom]

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/08/477719.jpg

[Jularc]

^ Well at least the new World Trade Center buildings will hide this thing.

[JACKinBeantown]

I don't know about a "coolness" factore of all the buildings around it. Save the Woolworth building, the rest aren't impressive at all.


The whole group of several old buildings made a cool view from the south west. Now it's got this thing in the middle of it all.

[kevininlb]

I don't know about a "coolness" factore of all the buildings around it. Save the Woolworth building, the rest aren't impressive at all.

As far as this tower goes, it looks better in person than it did in the renderings.

Totally agree. Brown ugly blobs. Nah, I'll take the new building!

[JACKinBeantown]

Well, that's what you're gonna get...
June 1
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/Scruffy88/Bk2.jpg

[Fabb]

Woolworth is overestimated anyway.
It'll probably gain even more appeal next to the new, nondescript residential building.

[NYguy]

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/08/477719.jpg


I love the sleekness of the Millinium hotel. But this is Manhattan, towers were meant to be blocked. You want open views of skyscrapers? Go to the midwest, or anywhere out of New York.

By the way, is it too early to speculate on the residential tower on site 5?