[Grumpy]

We almost forgot:

S-Bahnhof Julius-Leber-Brücke eröffnet

02.05.08
Pressemitteilung der Deutschen Bahn AG und der Senatsverwaltung für Stadtentwicklung Berlin

Erschließung der „Schöneberger Insel“ erheblich verbessert - Täglich 17.000 Ein- und Aussteiger erwartet

Heute wurde die 166. Station im Netz der Berliner S-Bahn in Betrieb genommen. Ingeborg Junge-Reyer, Senatorin für Stadtentwicklung Berlin, Ingulf Leuschel, Konzernbevollmächtigter der Deutschen Bahn AG für das Land Berlin, Dr. Tobias Heinemann, Geschäftsführer der S-Bahn Berlin GmbH, und Dirk Schulmeyer, Leiter Bahnhofsmanagement Berlin der DB Station&Service AG, übergaben die neue S-Bahn-Station Julius-Leber-Brücke der Öffentlichkeit.

[10101000]

We almost forgot:

S-Bahnhof Julius-Leber-Brücke eröffnet

02.05.08
Pressemitteilung der Deutschen Bahn AG und der Senatsverwaltung für Stadtentwicklung Berlin

Erschließung der „Schöneberger Insel“ erheblich verbessert - Täglich 17.000 Ein- und Aussteiger erwartet

Heute wurde die 166. Station im Netz der Berliner S-Bahn in Betrieb genommen. Ingeborg Junge-Reyer, Senatorin für Stadtentwicklung Berlin, Ingulf Leuschel, Konzernbevollmächtigter der Deutschen Bahn AG für das Land Berlin, Dr. Tobias Heinemann, Geschäftsführer der S-Bahn Berlin GmbH, und Dirk Schulmeyer, Leiter Bahnhofsmanagement Berlin der DB Station&Service AG, übergaben die neue S-Bahn-Station Julius-Leber-Brücke der Öffentlichkeit.


Can you translate this for me? I want to know. My German is a bit rusty.

[Grumpy]

On the 2nd of May , the new Julius-Leber-Brücke S-bahn station got openend.
The accesability of the "Schöneberger Island" is much better , 17.000 daily users are expected.

Today the 166th station of the S-bahn network is opened by :
Ingeborg Junge-Reyer, Senatorin für Stadtentwicklung Berlin, Ingulf Leuschel, Konzernbevollmächtigter der Deutschen Bahn AG für das Land Berlin, Dr. Tobias Heinemann, Geschäftsführer der S-Bahn Berlin GmbH, und Dirk Schulmeyer, Leiter Bahnhofsmanagement Berlin der DB Station&Service AG.

a map with the location of the new station:

http://www.s-bahn-berlin.de/aktuell/2008/images/114_karte.gif

http://www.s-bahn-berlin.de/aktuell/2008/images/113.jpg

http://www.s-bahn-berlin.de/aktuell/2008/images/113_Umgebungsplan.gif

http://www.s-bahn-berlin.de/aktuell/2008/images/118_julius_leber_bruecke_02.jpg

http://www.s-bahn-berlin.de/aktuell/2008/images/118_julius_leber_bruecke_03.jpg

http://www.s-bahn-berlin.de/aktuell/2008/images/118_julius_leber_bruecke_08.jpg

[Grumpy]

BBI-Infotower

http://www.berlin-airport.de/images/headerbilder/BBI/Infotower1.jpg

Observation tower with visitor pavilion for 80 people , height 32m

[Grumpy]

Karstadt Haus - Neukölln

A few old pictures of a really impressive warehouse near the actual Hermannplatz U-bahn station , all the pictures were taken between 1929 and 1935:

http://www.berlin-hermannplatz.de/ak/hermannplatz55.jpg

http://www.berlin-hermannplatz.de/ak/hermannplatz03.jpg

http://www.berlin-hermannplatz.de/ak/hermannplatz15.jpg

http://www.berlin-hermannplatz.de/ak/hermannplatz20.jpg

http://www.berlin-hermannplatz.de/ak/hermannplatz22.jpg

[andi204]

This is a nice looking building. Looks some what like the shaw center here in Baton Rouge. I take it this is proposed?

it´s not proposed. i was there today and the tower already exists. actually it´s a quite old tower and just got re-freshed. the other lower part of the building is still under construction. i will post pictures later

[khazars]

@ Grumpy, That Karstadt building I take it that building is no more, gone?

[khazars]

@ Andi, thx for the Leipziger update!

@ Grumpy, on another website they have renderings for the tower near the alex at Alexanderstrasse, right beside the Alexa! So maybe that project might happen?

I'm not sure what it says as it is in German!

http://www.deutsches-architektur-forum.de/forum/showthread.php?t=4497&page=13

[10101000]

it´s not proposed. i was there today and the tower already exists. actually it´s a quite old tower and just got re-freshed. the other lower part of the building is still under construction. i will post pictures later

Thank you, I appreciate that.

[Grumpy]

As far as I know the Karstadt Building is gone :(

@ Grumpy, on another website they have renderings for the tower near the alex at Alexanderstrasse, right beside the Alexa! So maybe that project might happen?

I'm not sure what it says as it is in German!

http://www.deutsches-architektur-forum.de/forum/showthread.php?t=4497&page=13

Just a vision made by AeG.

[Grumpy]

lots of small projects to be seen here (http://auguststrasse-berlin-mitte.de/)

Berlin demolition list (http://www.abrissberlin.de/abrissliste)

[Grumpy]

The Molkenmarkt project is alive again, here some impressionen:

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/planen/staedtebau-projekte/molkenmarkt/pix/staedtebau/4grunerstrasse_gr.jpg

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/planen/staedtebau-projekte/molkenmarkt/pix/staedtebau/5molkenmarkt_gr.jpg

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/planen/staedtebau-projekte/molkenmarkt/pix/staedtebau/6stadthausplatz_gr.jpg

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/planen/staedtebau-projekte/molkenmarkt/pix/staedtebau/7parochialgasse_gr.jpg

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/planen/staedtebau-projekte/molkenmarkt/pix/staedtebau/38_050425_mp_grundlage_gr.jpg

groundplan with the old Molkenmarkt housing:

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/planen/staedtebau-projekte/molkenmarkt/pix/staedtebau/40_050325_mp_hist_parzell_gr.jpg

[Grumpy]

New housing project for the Tegeler Hafen:

http://www.morgenpost.de/images/2008/04/25/bezirke/152620_scaleUp.jpg

There is some activity going on until 2017 :

http://www.morgenpost.de/images/2008/05/06/berlin/153232_scaleUp.jpg

[Grumpy]

Is this still alive : Zoofenster ?

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/planen/staedtebau-projekte/breitscheidplatz/pix/zoofenster_030512_379x650.jpg

[10101000]

Awesome stuff.

[Grumpy]

Temporäre Kunsthalle

http://www.white-cube-berlin.org/images/stories/kunsthalle_rockenschaub_lowres.jpg

http://www.white-cube-berlin.org/images/stories/07_grundriss_schnitt.png

[Grumpy]

A great forum to know anything about public transport in Berlin (in German/auf Deutsch).

BVG Forum (http://www.bvg-busse.de/forum/index.php?sid=006730cc24d15c2284ffdf082c61a92f)

[Grumpy]

Can someone tell me where this picture is taken ?

http://thomas.krickstadt.de/forum/nachher.jpg

[10101000]

I am thinking about moving to Berlin in a few years, will see, but I have heard great things about the place.

[khazars]

@ Grumpy, any idea when Molkenmarkt will start, I read somewhere not to 2012 will construction start. The area certainly needs it with that huge Gruner strasse cutting through it like the berlin wall.

Pertaining to the picture you posted, It loooks like either the Stadtbahn line or possibly the U1 line? But I really don't know!

[Grumpy]

@ Grumpy, any idea when Molkenmarkt will start, I read somewhere not to 2012 will construction start. The area certainly needs it with that huge Gruner strasse cutting through it like the berlin wall.

There are plans to cut it back with 30m but I haven't found any official date for the construction start


Pertaining to the picture you posted, It loooks like either the Stadtbahn line or possibly the U1 line? But I really don't know!

It sure looks like an disused line and there comes only one line to mind if this used to be an S-bahn line: somewhere north west of Jungfernheide

[khazars]

It sure looks like an disused line and there comes only one line to mind if this used to be an S-bahn line: somewhere north west of Jungfernheide


It could be the Siemens line, that's up there near Jungfernheide!

in this map you can see the three old disused stations "Gartenfeld, Siemensstadt, and Wernerwerk" near Siemensdamn and Rohrdamm on the U7 line!


http://www.berliner-stadtplan.com/

[khazars]

A new building project to start end of 2008 at kommandant str at Alte Jakob strasse?

It looks smashing!

http://www.deutsches-architektur-forum.de/forum/showthread.php?t=4736&page=60


http://www.fellini-residences.com/


It also appears work is about to start on the Hackescher Markt area?


http://home.arcor.de/miravos/hacke/hacke3.html


http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/6558/hack1li7.jpg

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/3017/hack2hx5.jpg


A new hotel to be built by Easyjet on Rosenthaler strasse!


http://www.schmitzundsachse.com/referenzen/referenz_detail.php?ref_ID=59


There are also quite a few other building projects either started or about to start in and around Rosenthaler strasse!


http://www.deutsches-architektur-forum.de/forum/showthread.php?t=7275

[Grumpy]

Fellini give the city an Parisian look , vraiment chique

http://www.fellini-residences.com/fellini_residences.jpg

Talking about a huge contrast to be here, look at the plattenbau at the end of the rendering :eek:

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/6558/hack1li7.jpg

[khazars]

that last rendering of Hackesher Markt is so much better looking than the previous ones posted, I take it this is how it will be built?

What is plattenbau? I googled it and it says disk building?

Thx for posting the pics! ;)

[khazars]

Some pics courtesy from the link below of the townhouses!


http://freenet-homepage.de/luzbelito/friedrichswerder/friedrichswerder26.html

[Grumpy]

^^ great photos , :tup:


There is a project that I am very interested in but I cannot find any english text, the Spreebalkon.

here some photos:

http://www.stadtumbau-berlin.de/typo3temp/pics/c78d93329c.jpg

http://www.stadtumbau-berlin.de/typo3temp/pics/f28e728d84.jpg

http://www.stadtumbau-berlin.de/typo3temp/pics/e5f6dd0686.jpg

remains of the Brommybrücke clearly visible:

http://stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/pix/home/wohnen/balkon_brommystr_copy-gr.jpg

[Grumpy]

This is a great site with stunning pictures :

Explorations of an Urban Conversion (http://uinic.de/berlin-mitte/en/index.html)

[Grumpy]

@ khazars , you know immediatly what this is :)

Actually under renovation:

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/wohnen/stadtumbau/pix/west/belastungskoerper_800.jpg

[khazars]

I found this translated from German about the spree balcony/brommybrucke!

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.stadtumbau-berlin.de/Spreebalkon-Brommystrasse.3431.0.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=3&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DSpreebalkon%2Bberlin%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3D6vk

I wonder when they will build the brommybrucke and I would imagine they will rebuild the bridge at am Koln park near Markisches museum?


that pic looks like the Germania thing for testing the strength of the soil?

cheers :)

[khazars]

This link below is good for old Berlin maps, one can see how the area East of the Alex was demolished for the commy block planning in the mid 1960s and all the old streets were totally lost!

http://www.alt-berlin.info/pages/index.htm


A good link below for a 3d and 2d digital model of Berlin!


http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/planen/stadtmodelle/de/innenstadtplaene/3d/index_3d-st2_ost.shtml

[khazars]

Moabiter Spreebogen! Construction is meant to start 2010?

Click on architecture for pics!

http://www.campanile101.de/

[one very bored guy]

I hope they tidy up around that Spreebalkon otherwise it would look silly. It certainly needs new stonework.

[Grumpy]

I remember the Campanile project under another name and honestly I am really surprised to see this tower getting built.
What a fine location :eek:

http://www.campanile101.de/archi/02aussen.jpg

[Grumpy]

The Alexanderplatz towers are still planned but honestly it is getting very out of date with those proposals and I would rather see towers built on another location.

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/planen/stadtmodelle/de/innenstadtplaene/3d/bilder/3d-st4_11-1.jpg


Perhaps near the HBF (who is in my opinion a complete waste of money) , a fourth city centre could be a good idea though.
Where the covered tracks of the S-bahn are create a artificial lake to make an "fake island" as a remembrance of the many waterways in the city,
towers look much better in the vicinity of water:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Berlin_Mitte_Luftansicht.jpg

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/planen/stadtmodelle/de/innenstadtplaene/3d/bilder/3d-st4_08-1.jpg

[Grumpy]

kompetenzzentrum-medizintechnik

http://i32.tinypic.com/sbsqyv.jpg

webcam (http://www.kompetenzzentrum-medizintechnik.de/index.php?id=40)

[Grumpy]

Spreedreieck (http://www.spreedreieck.de)





http://i27.tinypic.com/o05tag.jpg

http://i25.tinypic.com/scfhb7.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/n3nrfb.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/2m6r8co.jpg

[Grumpy]

Want some great photography ?

Berlin in 360° (http://www.360-berlin.de)

[Grumpy]

I must visit this later this year:

Exhibition ] Myth Germania [ Shadows and traces of the Imperial Capital

Period : Mar. 15th, 2008 – Dec. 31st, 2008 (Dec 24th-26th, 2008 closed)
Opening hours : 11am – 7pm (daily)
Admission : 6 Euro, reduced 4 Euro
Where : Pavillon Gertrud-Kolmar-Straße 14 (Corner Hannah-Arendt-Straße) ,10117 Berlin-Mitte

Berliner Unterwelten (http://www.berlinerunterwelten.de/en/001/001.htm)

[Grumpy]

A new project in the Mediaspree area:

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/2864/84465azhhfcw4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/1429/84465bzhhfkx3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/4430/84465dzhffhb7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Messehotel (?)

http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/528/hochhausplanunggruentucww9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/5893/hochhausplanungmaehnerguj6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Grumpy]

Pergamon Palais

http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/00579/sh_Meermann_BM_Berl_579403g.jpg

Marthashof , Prenzlauer Berg

http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/00575/sh_martha1_BM_Berli_575168g.jpg

http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/00575/sh_martha2_BM_Berli_575169g.jpg

[khazars]

New townhouses for Prenzlberg/Greifswalder Strasse.

http://www.höhne-architekten.de/projekte_details.php?id=122

http://www.morgenpost.de/content/2008/05/30/berlin/965041.html

[khazars]

Berlin Brandenberg International.

New Investment 800 Million Euros by Irish and Munich Companies in what's called "Airport city" near Schonefeld.


http://www.morgenpost.de/content/2008/05/30/berlin/965027.html

Translation from yahoo!


The planned capital airport BBI in Schönefeld attracts international investors. The Irish investor consortium Bulberry Properties Limited and the Investa project development and administration GmbH made of Munich want 800 million euros into the development of a trade area to invest. It concerns a 34 hectare large area north the rapid-transit railway yard Schönefeld and west the Waltersdorfer Chaussee (B 179) and A 113. ƒ Under the heading " Airport City" offices, conference center, resounding for logistics companies, hotels and dwellings are planned. Commencement of construction should be 2009/10. " There are already large international societies, which take their company headquarters here wollen" , yesterday Philipp C said. Tabert, managing director of the real estate agent of winter & Deer; exclusively concern it enterprises, which have to do with the air traffic. Winter & For Bulberry corresponding surfaces had looked for and are responsible deer also for the marketing of the new trade area. Bulberry and the past exclusive surface owner Investa united to a joint venture and firmieren for two weeks under airport park Schönefeld GmbH & CO. Kg. By it Bulberry 60 and Investa hold 40 per cent. To the Irish investors and partners von Bulberry belong the brothers Ulick and the moon McEvaddy. Both are active in the international aircraft industry and real estate development. they created 1984 omega air, a company for the refueling of airplanes. At present they plan further terminals at the airport Dublin. The new society sets particularly on the proximity to BBI and the locking of the airports connected with the building Tegel and Tempelhof. According to a current own study count winter & Deer with alone 500 enterprises with altogether 20,000 workers, who move away by the locking of the airports in the city into beautiful fields the area to BBI. Further 200 international enterprises such as logisticians, package companies and airlines would be added again, so Tabert. Also the British and Germans actively The fact that the BBI surrounding field becomes increasingly interesting for investors showed up already at the beginning of the yearly, when the airport company sold 38 hectares of the former building field east and future BBI Business park to the British trade area operator Segro. Segro wants to already build a resounding on supply, what rates airport boss Rainer black as proof for the Prosperität of the airport surrounding field. For settlements around the airport Ulrich Junghanns (CDU) stands at present for 600 hectares approximately for order, of it 400 in the municipality Schönefeld according to data of of Brandenburg minister of economics. There also the 80 hectares large future trade area of the HVB real estate GmbH lies. So far are there the hotel Holiday Inn, the logistics enterprise Dachser and a letter distribution center of the post office settled. The British logistics company Sunshine on 5,3 hectares will establish itself here shortly. Also the Holiday Inn develops.

[Grumpy]

New townhouses for Prenzlberg/Greifswalder Strasse.

http://www.höhne-architekten.de/projekte_details.php?id=122

http://www.morgenpost.de/content/2008/05/30/berlin/965041.html

That's the 2nd new proposal for Prenzlauer Berg in a week :eek:

[khazars]

yes good isn't it! ;)

Where exactly is Marthashof is Prenzlberg?

[Grumpy]

Quartier am Auswärtigen Amt

A 60 million € project !

http://www.tagesspiegel.de/storage/pic/fotos/berlin/212428_1_080515_Berlin_Quartier.jpg

[Grumpy]

Soho House

Former HQ of the SED party

http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/00219/torstrasse_b_DW_Ber_219443g.jpg

is about to become this in 2009:

http://www.tagesspiegel.de/storage/pic/fotos/berlin/210958_1_torstrassepromo.jks.fertig.jpg

[Grumpy]

yes good isn't it! ;)

Where exactly is Marthashof is Prenzlberg?

Marthashof (http://www.marthashof.de/) :)

[Grumpy]

Who knows more about the high rise planned near the Humboldthafen , right after the new HBF ?

http://www.baunetz.de/upload/82934ez00.jpg

http://www.baunetz.de/upload/82933cz.jpg

A 150m tower ?

http://www.lap-consult.com/pictures/00169_gr.jpg

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/9040/luftbildmarkiertzk9.jpg

[Grumpy]

Actual situation on the Tempelhofer Hafen:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g2/De_Snor/Mai-b29fe9ab36.jpg

A small but controversial design : MetroHaus (http://www.metrohaus-berlin.de/index_en.htm)

http://www.metrohaus-berlin.de/images/Schablone.jpg

http://www.metrohaus-berlin.de/images/neuerplan.gif

http://www.metrohaus-berlin.de/images/br_projekt.jpg

[Grumpy]

U-bahn : webcam construction U55 (http://www.bvg.de/index.php/de/Extra/WebcamPopup/id/152555)

new project : Gleim50 (http://www.gleim50.com/)

new exhibition : „Hauptstadt Berlin – 15 Jahre Entwicklungsmaßnahme“

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/pix/home/ausstellungen/hauptstadt_ausstell_150.jpg

Die Ausstellung wird den Besuchern vom 2. Juni 2008 bis zum 31. Juli 2008 täglich von 10.00 – 18.00 Uhr offen stehen. Sie befindet sich im Haus der Senatsverwaltung für Stadtentwicklung Am Köllnischen Park 3.

[eduardo88]

is there any definitave date for the opening of the u55?

[CHapp]

U5 - perhaps, but don't trust it.

U55 - already in the planning stage?

Don't trust that date either. :yes:

[Grumpy]

is there any definitive date for the opening of the u55?

I don't have a clue...who does ??

[Grumpy]

Some "Ostkreuz" information:

The old building at the Markgrafendamm is being torn down:

http://www.ostkreuzblog.de/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/dasaltesuedlicheeingangsgebaeude.jpg

an impression of the station:

g9wvzzEACls

[Grumpy]

Kopernikus Höfe (http://www.profipaket.de/wisig/index.php) BLN Friedrichshain

http://images.immonet.de/21/42/68/66214268b.jpg

http://images.immonet.de/21/42/83/66214283b.jpg

http://images.immonet.de/21/42/98/66214298b.jpg

http://images.immonet.de/21/43/13/66214313b.jpg

http://images.immonet.de/21/43/44/66214344b.jpg

http://images.immonet.de/21/43/67/66214367b.jpg

[Grumpy]

Hofjäger Palais (http://www.hofjaegerpalais.de/)

http://www.terz.de/groth/images/standort-1.jpg

http://www.terz.de/groth/images/standort-2.jpg http://www.terz.de/groth/images/eigentum-2.gif

[Grumpy]

Loftland (http://www.v-i-p-berlin.de/EN/1.shtml) BLN Steglitz , << click for pdf files

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g2/De_Snor/web-plan-gross.png

[Grumpy]

Brauhofgarten & Viktoria Quartier (http://www.finekreuzbergliving.de/index.php?id=9&no_cache=1) BLN Kreuzberg

^^ click for pdf-files

http://www.finekreuzbergliving.de/uploads/pics/Startbild.jpg

[Grumpy]

Puccini Hofgarten (http://www.key4germany.com/developments/puccinihofgarten_location.php) << click for pdf-files

website (http://www.puccini-hofgaerten.de/)

Puccini Hofgarten is in the middle of a peaceful, green oasis located in Berlin, Weibensee’s composers District.

Puccini Hofgarten is only 20-30 minutes by car from Tegel Airport, as well just 12-19 minutes far by bus to Alexanderplatz which is referred to as the Piccadilly Circus of Berlin.
Berliner Alle is only 3-4 minutes away by foot from the development. The developments location provides residents with amenities (shops, doctors’ office, banks, supermarket and department store). Various schools are also located in the surroundings ensuring a good position for families setting up home.

The Puccini Hofgarten is only 100 meters away as the crow flies to the glorious Prenzalauer-Berg Park. The bars, pubs and various entertainment forms in the nearby Kollwitzplazt can be reached in just 5 minutes by tram or car. The complex is situated in close proximity to Weiße See (Lake Weiße), where residents can relax and enjoy the views.

Images by Manuel from DAF

http://www.deutsches-architektur-forum.de/forum/pics/manuel/176_puccini_hofgaerten.jpghttp://www.deutsches-architektur-forum.de/forum/pics/manuel/180_puccini_hofgaerten.jpg

http://www.deutsches-architektur-forum.de/forum/pics/manuel/181_puccini_hofgaerten.jpghttp://www.deutsches-architektur-forum.de/forum/pics/manuel/178_puccini_hofgaerten.jpg

http://www.deutsches-architektur-forum.de/forum/pics/manuel/179_puccini_hofgaerten.jpg

[Grumpy]

New development : Schöneberger Linse

http://www.remtec.eu/images/projekte/denkmalpflege/7-gasometer/20080507-upload/Lageplan-gross.jpg

http://www.remtec.eu/images/projekte/denkmalpflege/7-gasometer/20080507-upload/Lufftbildanimation-gross.jpg

http://www.remtec.eu/images/projekte/denkmalpflege/7-gasometer/20080507-upload/perspektive2-gross.jpg

http://www.remtec.eu/images/projekte/denkmalpflege/7-gasometer/20080507-upload/perspektive1-1-gross.jpg

[Grumpy]

Deutschlandhalle to be torn down in 2011

The building was built in 1935 for 10.000 people by Franz Orthmann & Fritz Wiemer.

http://www.morgenpost.de/multimedia/archive/00074/sh_DLHbau_BM_Berlin__74333b.jpg

http://www.morgenpost.de/multimedia/archive/00074/sh_DLHluft2_BM_Berli_74334b.jpg

[Swede]

Why will it be torn down, what'll replace it?

Schöneberger Linse copmletely fails to catch my imagination or feeling. IMO lacks density on the ground (a few taller ones don't make up for bad planning). What's there today?

[Grumpy]

Schöneberger Linse copmletely fails to catch my imagination or feeling. IMO lacks density on the ground (a few taller ones don't make up for bad planning). What's there today?

Today there is nothing but an urban wasteland.

Another rendering:
http://www.bi-gasometer.de/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/16.jpg

Why will it be torn down, what'll replace it?

There is a new stadium U/C for the ice hockey team near the Glockenturmstraße.

Normally the ICC would have been torn down too but nowadays there are 2 extensions planned.

[Grumpy]

I am searching for a list of the users of public transportation in the city.
Train, tram , U-bahn & S-bahn

[staff]

Check this website: http://www.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/ :)

[Grumpy]

Eisfabrik

location:
http://www.mediaspree.de/fileadmin/user_upload/SIS/68-kartenausschnitt.jpg

actual situation:
http://www.mediaspree.de/fileadmin/user_upload/SIS/68-bild1.jpg

to become this:
http://www.mediaspree.de/fileadmin/user_upload/SIS/68-bild3.jpg

[Grumpy]

Heavy local protests against the Mediaspree projekt:

http://www.ms-versenken.org/images/spreebild-front.jpg

[Swede]

So that's an anti-ad? Maybe my German is too crap, but from what I read I just love it! I guess it's a big difference in attitude between those nimbys and me.
/and that's how I was part of starting Yimby in Stockholm :D


oh, and thanks for the answers - and that new rendering. By the gods, that's alot of midrises! yay!

[Grumpy]

Actually U/C : Hines at the Alexanderplatz:

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/planen/staedtebau-projekte/alexanderplatz/pix/realisierung/hines_persp_projekt_die_mitte_800x450.jpg

its location:

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/planen/staedtebau-projekte/alexanderplatz/pix/realisierung/hines_foto_mit_markierung_d4_800x600.jpg

[GNU]

Would be great if theyd take down that ugly addition to the Park Inn and then built a new building opposite to the Hines.

[GNU]

palace webcam

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/bauen/palast_rueckbau/webcam/bigpix/20080701141502_pdr_bigpix.jpg

The A113 has been finished:

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/pix/home/verkehr/a113_neu_gr.jpg

Friedrichstrasse 100

http://www.morgenpost.de/multimedia/archive/00027/151633_jpg_27193b.jpg

http://www.morgenpost.de/printarchiv/bezirke/article172231/Luxushotel_fuer_die_Friedrichstrasse.html

Thank god that they didnt go for the old proposal:

http://berger-parkkinen.com/deutsch/port_friedrichstrasse.html

[Grumpy]

Thank god the bloody asbestos palace is nearly history.
People from the BVG should ask to built the U55 tunnel before the park is going to be built upon it.

[GNU]

I guess the U55 will run under the street doesnt it?
That would also mean that theyd have to chop the trees down on UdL

[khazars]

@ Grumpy,

they should also build a double tunnel for the planned U10 from donhofplatz/Jerusalemer strasse to the alex as this was future planning with the Rathaus to be an exchange station between the U5 and U10, they should build it before they start work on the Berlin palace!

[Grumpy]

@ Grumpy,

they should also build a double tunnel for the planned U10 from donhofplatz/Jerusalemer strasse to the alex as this was future planning with the Rathaus to be an exchange station between the U5 and U10, they should build it before they start work on the Berlin palace!

It would be such an excellent opportunity to do so.
You are right but isn't there something else needed that is so hard to find in BLN : cash ?

[khazars]

I guess the U55 will run under the street doesnt it?
That would also mean that theyd have to chop the trees down on UdL

Yes, the U5 is to go under the Under den Linden, a new station called Under den Linden is planned to be built in the middle of Friedrichstrasse/Under den Linden, so the trees would have to come down as the two exit/entry points to the station would I imagine, be built in the middle either side of Friedrichstrasse on the Under den Linden.

The plan also calls for the closure of Franzosisch strasse and the new station
Under den Linden to be an exchange station between the U5 and the U6 lines!


From wikipedia, Berlin U-bahn planning!

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-Bahn_Berlin&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=8&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dberlin%2Bu-bahn%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN

[khazars]

more historical photos I took of Berlin!


Gendarmenmarkt

http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/43797/2905975540102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2905975540102410569EsXcHH)


Schausspielhaus


http://inlinethumb55.webshots.com/6646/2785598100102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2785598100102410569IyxuYA)


http://inlinethumb48.webshots.com/40815/2945474200102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2945474200102410569JelnEu)


http://inlinethumb49.webshots.com/23792/2085895530102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2085895530102410569VBbRUH)


http://inlinethumb43.webshots.com/40362/2779190620102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2779190620102410569QaAgcT)



Deutsche dom

http://inlinethumb27.webshots.com/25690/2719712840102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2719712840102410569HFjfDT)


http://inlinethumb35.webshots.com/22114/2360515950102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2360515950102410569tBEbkt)


http://inlinethumb52.webshots.com/42675/2875127000102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2875127000102410569ioyKkR)



Franzosisch Dom


http://inlinethumb56.webshots.com/19063/2190110890102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2190110890102410569UJeOOk)


http://inlinethumb54.webshots.com/7413/2089545260102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2089545260102410569nQIshx)


http://inlinethumb43.webshots.com/40042/2134926880102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2134926880102410569ierDsb)


Theatre Des Westens


http://inlinethumb26.webshots.com/2073/2390366870102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2390366870102410569FfPDOs)




Wilmersdorf Rathaus


http://inlinethumb43.webshots.com/40362/2698927280102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2698927280102410569DttgBy)


Dahlemdorf U3


http://inlinethumb47.webshots.com/41454/2316856250102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2316856250102410569axvEBP)



Siegssaule


http://inlinethumb58.webshots.com/42553/2178089850102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2178089850102410569xQRdMe)


Reichstag


http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/10207/2031783210102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2031783210102410569vHbPrk)


http://inlinethumb03.webshots.com/33858/2979193680102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2979193680102410569vpIpMI)


http://inlinethumb24.webshots.com/42967/2422019280102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2422019280102410569SdYDEa)

http://inlinethumb13.webshots.com/16716/2341443180102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2341443180102410569VcOsTe)


http://inlinethumb24.webshots.com/42327/2887505130102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2887505130102410569OROIlH)


Neu Synagogue


http://inlinethumb12.webshots.com/3595/2753722460102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2753722460102410569uGoafq)


Old Post office; Postfuhramt


http://inlinethumb46.webshots.com/42285/2828548450102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2828548450102410569MHajWs)


http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/21510/2209566460102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2209566460102410569akTpGv)


Martin Gropius Bau


http://inlinethumb30.webshots.com/42525/2393692490102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2393692490102410569nVWQVO)


http://inlinethumb63.webshots.com/39614/2785675520102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2785675520102410569IQEapO)


http://inlinethumb54.webshots.com/41397/2112954770102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2112954770102410569xdgYAV)


http://inlinethumb41.webshots.com/28264/2117695600102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2117695600102410569CSVKMa)


Spittel Kolonnaden


http://inlinethumb29.webshots.com/38172/2206361470102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2206361470102410569kCkVQk)


Berliner Dom!


http://inlinethumb55.webshots.com/41334/2726877930102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2726877930102410569pRPCSq)


http://inlinethumb26.webshots.com/42457/2974796820102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2974796820102410569mEvgag)


http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/10532/2702363260102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2702363260102410569FSUoqp)


http://inlinethumb11.webshots.com/41994/2169834060102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2169834060102410569ybrXZm)


http://inlinethumb48.webshots.com/35503/2829813400102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2829813400102410569uLAvkc)




http://inlinethumb11.webshots.com/41610/2636593130102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2636593130102410569sfZHIV)



Former Luftwaffe HQ


http://inlinethumb52.webshots.com/40307/2909948650102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2909948650102410569lcPVwE)


http://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/42523/2687921090102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2687921090102410569Dbizxb)


http://inlinethumb63.webshots.com/3262/2273204410102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2273204410102410569snTqfF)


Wittenberg Platz U1,2,3.


http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/42577/2311478010102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2311478010102410569chHYoF)



Berliner Rathaus


http://inlinethumb56.webshots.com/41079/2574521180102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2574521180102410569qEqTIS)


http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/39569/2669958650102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2669958650102410569RPQxfw)


http://inlinethumb16.webshots.com/41999/2161200630102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2161200630102410569vvxMhp)


http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/39724/2748632520102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2748632520102410569GNCgeB)


http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/42623/2924920210102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2924920210102410569etAqcx)



Alt stadt bau!


http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/38805/2177908210102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2177908210102410569jVdFYh)


http://inlinethumb52.webshots.com/40051/2064614420102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2064614420102410569TZnFdf)


http://inlinethumb52.webshots.com/43699/2507161230102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2507161230102410569itjxLg)


Heidelberger Platz U3


http://inlinethumb44.webshots.com/42091/2854381000102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2854381000102410569Rvebcs)


http://inlinethumb40.webshots.com/21543/2167569940102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2167569940102410569PHEARL)


Hohenzollernplatz U3


http://inlinethumb46.webshots.com/20525/2109175360102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2109175360102410569vwXrsN)


Brandenberg Tor!


http://inlinethumb34.webshots.com/43873/2307662370102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2307662370102410569stEGIV)


http://inlinethumb39.webshots.com/40998/2484763020102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2484763020102410569xYTKHK)


http://inlinethumb63.webshots.com/23550/2928396650102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2928396650102410569mRBGUO)


http://inlinethumb31.webshots.com/41566/2097590310102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2097590310102410569BnywhI)


http://inlinethumb26.webshots.com/40985/2372157360102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2372157360102410569YyVruC)


Riehmers Hofgarten


http://inlinethumb53.webshots.com/43316/2797488060102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2797488060102410569eIhDBc)


http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/39679/2012218970102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2012218970102410569DlkfRM)


http://inlinethumb54.webshots.com/39285/2840099540102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2840099540102410569ksZCbP)


http://inlinethumb05.webshots.com/32772/2479435210102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2479435210102410569APWjiR)




Eberswalder Str U2


http://inlinethumb21.webshots.com/43348/2375923520102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2375923520102410569YExEKH)


Hackescher Hofe/Hackescher Markt


http://inlinethumb24.webshots.com/27223/2286202780102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2286202780102410569YLdLHP)


http://inlinethumb52.webshots.com/25011/2904688380102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2904688380102410569QzfBVI)


http://inlinethumb50.webshots.com/26033/2378190570102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2378190570102410569rKMhvl)


http://inlinethumb58.webshots.com/41273/2298957700102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2298957700102410569rAIOCR)


http://inlinethumb48.webshots.com/40047/2795170280102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2795170280102410569inCWMT)



Hackescher Markt S-bahn.


http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/25158/2254966280102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2254966280102410569UWEgfA)




Tacheles


http://inlinethumb44.webshots.com/42923/2113398670102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2113398670102410569kaRdhH)


http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/21356/2030541580102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2030541580102410569PyRrqm)



Babylon kino


http://inlinethumb25.webshots.com/42840/2627719020102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2627719020102410569XFisuC)


NollendorfPlatz. U1,2,3,4.


http://inlinethumb34.webshots.com/19425/2172984480102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2172984480102410569IXnHeB)



East Side Gallery.


http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/30293/2707475860102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2707475860102410569zJsWTr)


http://inlinethumb25.webshots.com/34776/2677065090102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2677065090102410569jiOKMl)

[andi204]

Here is the homepage of the Campanile 101 project with really great pictures.

German (http://www.campanile101.de/)

English (http://www.campanile101.de/english/index.html)

[andi204]

the whole MediaSpree-issue is much more complex than it seems.
the simple way:
the problem is, that the planned towers and midrises would make the rents EXPLODE as they did in other new developed areas.
And that would take place in districts which are actually known for their quite low rents.
So it´s just logical that the inhabitants do protest against the plans.
another issue is that such an area is not needed (yet). i am sure that most of the bureau-areas would not be rented for long since so many new office buildings are built in central Berlin. the same would happen to the flat and appartment buildings in my opinion. so people think that the money better should be spent on something more senseful.

http://www.matejunkie.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/mediaspree_versenken_01.jpg

the poster reads:

City restructuring at the Spree banks in Kreuzberg, Friedrichshain, Mitte, Treptow:
Who wants MediaSpree?

Drown the MediaSpree!

! low rents instead of high profits !
! public parks instead of headquarters !
! parking areas instead of office buildings !
! alternative education and arts instead of commercials and consume !
! trees instead of billboards !
! free public transport instead of car-chaos !

[AJphx]

nice tour khazars, Berlin seems to have a lot of impressive historical buildings that you don't normally think about.

[Swede]

the same would happen to the flat and appartment buildings in my opinion. so people think that the money better should be spent on something more senseful.
So it's the City building all of this? or maybe, just maybe, it's private investors who would NOT invest money into what some are calling for. It's not the same money!!! I'm tired of this basic mistake from nimbys. They fear gentrification (valid fear, but not one that can be allowed to overrule everything) and they fear change (because it is change and change can never be good?).

[khazars]

Yes, the U5 is to go under the Under den Linden, a new station called Under den Linden is planned to be built in the middle of Friedrichstrasse/Under den Linden, so the trees would have to come down as the two exit/entry points to the station would I imagine, be built in the middle either side of Friedrichstrasse on the Under den Linden.

The plan also calls for the closure of Franzosisch strasse and the new station
Under den Linden to be an exchange station between the U5 and the U6 lines!


From wikipedia, Berlin U-bahn planning!

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-Bahn_Berlin&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=8&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dberlin%2Bu-bahn%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN


Actually, if the station is as planned, an exchange station between the U5 & U6, then the station would need four exit/entry points. It would make more sense to build them at the four corners of Under Den Linden at Friedrichstrasse!?

Therefore, there may not be any need to cut down the trees on the middle strip on the under den Linden if the exits are to be built at the corners of Under Den Linden at Friedrichstrasse?

[khazars]

Would be great if theyd take down that ugly addition to the Park Inn and then built a new building opposite to the Hines.

That area is destined for demolition circa 2009 for the building phase D1-D3, which is meant to commence construction in 2009?

Apparently, the plan is that after D4 is completed; the Hines at Alexanderplatz, the plinth area around the Park Inn, is to be demolished to make way for the start of construction of D1 and D3! Later, the Park Inn itself is meant to be demolished under senate plans!

From.

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/planen/staedtebau-projekte/alexanderplatz/en/realisierung/interhotel/index.shtml



Project description
The designated building areas D1-D3 according to binding land-use plan are currently occupied by the park inn highrise building with its extended plinth zone. The urban design contracts between the Federal State of Berlin and the Developer provide for three tower blocks to be erected on the site, solitaires of 150 m in height and with a 35 m high plinth zone. In the first building phase the present plinth zone buildings will be given up in order to build blocks D1 and D3.

At the moment plans for the extension of the plinth zone buildings on building area D3 are in preparation. In December 2006 the real estate company "Hotel Stadt Berlin Grundstücks GmbH (DIH)" was overtaken by "Blackstone Group" and is now renamed "EVENT Hotel Gruppe GmbH & Co. KG"



D4
http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/planen/staedtebau-projekte/alexanderplatz/en/heute/d4_heute/index.shtml

D1-D3

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/planen/staedtebau-projekte/alexanderplatz/en/realisierung/interhotel/index.shtml

[khazars]

@ Grumpy,

when are you going to Berlin?

I hope you take plenty of pics!?

[khazars]

Some more pics I took of Potsdamer platz, this time facing South & West!


Berlin Wall remnants!


http://inlinethumb33.webshots.com/23840/2556424170102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2556424170102410569QjTFBx)


http://inlinethumb09.webshots.com/17288/2647017160102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2647017160102410569LPkJFm)



http://inlinethumb14.webshots.com/41613/2235676220102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2235676220102410569dRAOHo)


http://inlinethumb15.webshots.com/30798/2070001420102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2070001420102410569RsUsYf)


http://inlinethumb13.webshots.com/42764/2683035480102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2683035480102410569oOygWJ)


http://inlinethumb30.webshots.com/41053/2626702170102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2626702170102410569EZBJDE)


http://inlinethumb41.webshots.com/41128/2990919430102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2990919430102410569JMZdWf)


http://inlinethumb11.webshots.com/36938/2330334100102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2330334100102410569MKsjeO)


http://inlinethumb02.webshots.com/42689/2891222910102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2891222910102410569auhSFp)


http://inlinethumb23.webshots.com/40918/2412835970102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2412835970102410569pMYTvA)


http://inlinethumb21.webshots.com/41940/2012429260102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2012429260102410569YsphEy)


http://inlinethumb10.webshots.com/2057/2478404260102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2478404260102410569SLLdUJ)


http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/40511/2878884220102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2878884220102410569ezjebo)


http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/10194/2211858460102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2211858460102410569vgufKo)


http://inlinethumb33.webshots.com/41184/2883362030102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2883362030102410569rEXclD)


http://inlinethumb43.webshots.com/16618/2413426080102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2413426080102410569izGGxC)


Enjoy!

[andi204]

So it's the City building all of this? or maybe, just maybe, it's private investors who would NOT invest money into what some are calling for. It's not the same money!!! I'm tired of this basic mistake from nimbys. They fear gentrification (valid fear, but not one that can be allowed to overrule everything) and they fear change (because it is change and change can never be good?).


Well... I think it´s more a fear of failing.
People also expected Berlin to grow rediculous fast between 1990 and 2000.
They expected the city to get like 1 Mio more inhabitants within these 10 years but nothing happened. the city even lost inhabitants.
That´s also why the new buildings are that large.
For example the new central station. It´s Europe's largest station and its capacity is much higher that needed atm.

Another fact is the special law in Berlin. A lot of national and international companies wanted to build their HQ in central Berlin but the city said: No! because they wanted to save the historical look of central Berlin, which is good in my opinion. I wouldn't want Berlin to become a 2nd Frankfurt.
Berlin simply is not a skyscraper city.

[one very bored guy]

^^ Well, there are plenty of places in central Berlin which do not have any significant historical architecture and would be perfect for skyscrapers.

[andi204]

as for example ?!

[one very bored guy]

Considering so much was destroyed during WWII there really isn't that much of a historical core compared to other European cities. Which is really quite sad as the original city was stunning.

Anyhow, I prefer clusters and some ideal spots would be Alexanderplatz (This was also planned), Potsdamer Platz (Already started) and of cause if Western Berlin wants to relaunch itself, around the Zoo area.

Now, in my opinion, there really is not that much in the way of historical classics in those area's. Many plots have already been built over with lowrises as it is. In fact, Berlin seems much more of a modern city these days than a historical one.

[one very bored guy]

Oh, and as for Berlin becoming a “2nd Frankfurt“ just because it has highrises is completely foreign to me. Just because a city has highrises doesn’t mean it looks the same as another city with highrises. Auckland looks nothing like Sydney which looks nothing like Melbourne which looks nothing like Chicago etc.

It’s the same as someone from say LA coming to Europe and thinking every city looks the same because they have lowrises ;)

[khazars]

planning for north -South tunnel nearly finalised S21 .


http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/aktuell/pressebox/archiv_volltext.shtml?arch_0808/nachricht3159.html

Translation from Yahoo!

Conditions for the building of the new north south rapid-transit railway production 08.08.08 The citizen of Berlin main station will receive a new north south rapid-transit railway binding.

This is the result of a use cost study, which is present since at the end of of July and was given of the senate administration for town development in order. Passengers will reach the main station presumably starting from 2016 of the rapid-transit railway north ring and of all rapid-transit railway yards of the line S 1 directly without detour over the rapid-transit railway yard Friedrichstraße and the metropolitan railway.

The building of a new is planned rapid-transit railway-strains. It is to connect the north ring in the first stage of development over a west curve of the rapid-transit railway yard west port and an east curve of the rapid-transit railway yard Wedding with the main station. In the second stage of development the rapid-transit railway new building distance is to be led of the main station, at Reichstag past to the Potsdamer the place. East the Reichstag building is planned a new rapid-transit railway yard. New S ‑ railroad line will at height of the Brandenburger of gate the existing tunnel of the old north south rapid-transit railway, for which 1939 were already laid out regarding a second north south rapid-transit railway 4-gleisig, lead into and it to Potsdamer place with to use.

The costs of the rapid-transit railway new building distance amount to without the planned stop to Reichstag approx. 317 millions € net, with stop to Reichstag, whose feasibility is still examined at present, approx. 330 millions € net.


Due to the high capital outlays a promotion of the project is essential by the federation. When a condition for a promotion must is proven that the project from overall economic view will affect itself favourably for the passengers, the rapid-transit railway Berlin GmbH and Land Berlin. By a rapid-transit railway operating concept, which was developed together with the rapid-transit railway Berlin GmbH, the proof of significant improvements from verkehrlicher, overall economic and operational view could be furnished. Afterwards becomes

* the new line S 21 between young remote heath and Potsdamer place over the west curve,

* the line S 1 (Oranienburg - when lake and Frohnau - when lake) over the east curve and the main station to the Potsdamer place and no more over the Friedrichstraße and

* the line S 85 of the airport BBI over east cross, the north ring, the east curve, the main station, the Potsdamer place after Zehlendorf operate.

With this line offer approx. 80 Tsd become., between main station and Potsdamer place approx. 70 Tsd on the new rapid-transit railway-strain between north ring and main station. Passengers per day expects. The passenger arising on the old northsouthrapid-transit railway-strains reduces around about 35 Tsd. Passengers per day.

With the proof of a positive use cost relationship a substantial hurdle could to the protection of the financing of the new northsouthrapid-transit railway-strains to be taken. The railway enterprises and Land Berlin agreed, as soon as possible the request on awarding of federal conveyances for the first stage of development of the new northsouthrapid-transit railway-strain to place. On the part of the federation there are for this first positive signals. The necessary complementary financing by Land Berlin is secured. With the building of the north ring and the new main station Berlin invested already approx. 57 millions € of it for preferred construction measures into the project.

The building of the rapid-transit railway new building distance from the north ring to the main station could take place after the security of the financing in the years 2009 to 2015. The realization of the second stage of development from the main station to the Potsdamer place is to take place after completion of the construction measure to the U 5-Verlängerung, approximately starting from 2018.

[tdurden5573]

Just thought I'd ad some more historical flavors of Berlin - my favorite European city. I totally agree with those that want to encourage smart development, if people keep saying No, the business sector and their money will go elsewhere.

Volksbuhne

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd38/tdurden5573/Berlin/Euro-2008014_800x533.jpg

More recent history

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd38/tdurden5573/Berlin/Euro-2008017_800x533.jpg

Hackesher Markt at Night

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd38/tdurden5573/Berlin/Euro-2008028_800x533.jpg

Potsdam

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd38/tdurden5573/Berlin/Euro-2008242_800x533.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd38/tdurden5573/Berlin/Euro-2008255_800x533.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd38/tdurden5573/Berlin/Euro-2008274_800x533.jpg

Reichstag

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd38/tdurden5573/Berlin/Euro-2008405_800x533.jpg

Olympic Stadium
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd38/tdurden5573/Berlin/Euro-2008476_800x533.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd38/tdurden5573/Berlin/Euro-2008493_800x533.jpg

[GNU]

That area is destined for demolition circa 2009 for the building phase D1-D3, which is meant to commence construction in 2009?

Apparently, the plan is that after D4 is completed; the Hines at Alexanderplatz, the plinth area around the Park Inn, is to be demolished to make way for the start of construction of D1 and D3! Later, the Park Inn itself is meant to be demolished under senate plans!

From.

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/planen/staedtebau-projekte/alexanderplatz/en/realisierung/interhotel/index.shtml



Project description
The designated building areas D1-D3 according to binding land-use plan are currently occupied by the park inn highrise building with its extended plinth zone. The urban design contracts between the Federal State of Berlin and the Developer provide for three tower blocks to be erected on the site, solitaires of 150 m in height and with a 35 m high plinth zone. In the first building phase the present plinth zone buildings will be given up in order to build blocks D1 and D3.

At the moment plans for the extension of the plinth zone buildings on building area D3 are in preparation. In December 2006 the real estate company "Hotel Stadt Berlin Grundstücks GmbH (DIH)" was overtaken by "Blackstone Group" and is now renamed "EVENT Hotel Gruppe GmbH & Co. KG"



D4
http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/planen/staedtebau-projekte/alexanderplatz/en/heute/d4_heute/index.shtml

D1-D3

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/planen/staedtebau-projekte/alexanderplatz/en/realisierung/interhotel/index.shtml


Right, thx for the info.
Lets hope that itll get realized soon albeit Im sure that the Park Inn itself will be there for a quite a while to come.

[Grumpy]

@ Grumpy,

when are you going to Berlin? I hope you take plenty of pics!?

Normally I was going earlier this year but I got very sick and had to cancel my trip.
If I recover by the end of this fall I might try a second attempt to go there.

btw ; great pictures

[Grumpy]

time for a new development: Choriner Höfe (http://www.chorinerhoefe.com/)

[Grumpy]

Some pictures posted by mthq in the international photosection:

Spreedreieck:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b186/realmthq/b20.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b186/realmthq/b5.jpg

the Sciencecenter:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b186/realmthq/b39.jpg

demolition Palast der Republik:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b186/realmthq/b55.jpg

[hackunion]

Go Berlin Go!

[khazars]

Hey guys, just back from Berlin, so a big update coming soon, might take me a while to upload the photos as I have athritis in my fingers! Might be a week or two!

@ Grumpy, I hope you are feeling better now and have made a full recovery! ;)

I also got down to Tempelhof Hafen and took some photos, I think this is one of your favourite projects for Berlin!? :)

[khazars]

Ok folks, I'll start posting some photos I took recently in Berlin, September 1st to 10th! There are too many so I'll upload them bit by bit! Camera was a Fuji 9600


Ostkreuz, taken from train, so shot through glass!


http://inlinethumb26.webshots.com/43481/2890536940102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2890536940102410569sLhgFQ)


http://inlinethumb29.webshots.com/41308/2365819890102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2365819890102410569khDIkv)


http://inlinethumb25.webshots.com/41816/2393999750102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2393999750102410569ZnXAQk)



Other shots of Ostkreuz!

These photos show the platform for S9, I think it is a temporary platform?, as you can see you walk along and then down onto the main platforms for the S-bahn East-West lines!


http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/37777/2259825580102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2259825580102410569XOePhK)


http://inlinethumb29.webshots.com/41884/2097319130102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2097319130102410569HtkPIO)


http://inlinethumb36.webshots.com/18275/2940778620102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2940778620102410569KCHWgc)


http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/43231/2693843180102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2693843180102410569Wfskgl)


http://inlinethumb24.webshots.com/663/2733153150102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2733153150102410569pbVlzh)


http://inlinethumb39.webshots.com/40870/2867303310102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2867303310102410569fCtebU)


http://inlinethumb49.webshots.com/40496/2372076880102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2372076880102410569eVUNhg)


http://inlinethumb34.webshots.com/41121/2437877110102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2437877110102410569JaimsI)


http://inlinethumb13.webshots.com/23628/2734357310102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2734357310102410569HUBurD)


http://inlinethumb12.webshots.com/44235/2359828180102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2359828180102410569XKxqma)


http://inlinethumb30.webshots.com/41245/2570690960102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2570690960102410569TmXKNv)


http://inlinethumb15.webshots.com/27918/2450921580102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2450921580102410569kpshRr)


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http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/44370/2558347720102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2558347720102410569jfavkz)


http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/43131/2262018160102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2262018160102410569TUaVGw)


http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/41603/2568708180102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2568708180102410569dKfYhF)


http://inlinethumb39.webshots.com/42854/2646099580102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2646099580102410569sOqtcx)


http://inlinethumb58.webshots.com/43705/2700756970102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2700756970102410569SRVcNe)


http://inlinethumb02.webshots.com/42113/2515979120102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2515979120102410569WAsiaL)


http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/31377/2074639960102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2074639960102410569CZOGVp)



Alex: Hines buiding!


This first photo shows the slab laying near the tram lines at the Hines building!


http://inlinethumb35.webshots.com/41122/2041707380102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2041707380102410569lNSXgT)


http://inlinethumb63.webshots.com/39358/2117466320102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2117466320102410569ehwXjb)


http://inlinethumb25.webshots.com/39448/2005396630102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2005396630102410569CvvRxY)


http://inlinethumb06.webshots.com/41093/2332965910102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2332965910102410569UWwCje)


http://inlinethumb30.webshots.com/43357/2850095020102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2850095020102410569Szqkwd)


http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/5905/2161683460102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2161683460102410569rsGwTf)


http://inlinethumb11.webshots.com/22794/2686274260102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2686274260102410569kRTROS)


http://inlinethumb39.webshots.com/42982/2084442760102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2084442760102410569pKvTfE)


http://inlinethumb13.webshots.com/44172/2929618120102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2929618120102410569BSgtao)


http://inlinethumb38.webshots.com/37285/2693941250102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2693941250102410569iPZFdY)


http://inlinethumb40.webshots.com/19623/2441765350102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2441765350102410569FjDFdq)


http://inlinethumb36.webshots.com/4451/2656469490102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2656469490102410569XNANgC)


http://inlinethumb38.webshots.com/36645/2472238690102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2472238690102410569pojzWi)


http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/42389/2057465270102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2057465270102410569zKtqld)


http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/41124/2777741950102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2777741950102410569MyyUDv)



Konigstadt Carree! The cranes are now moving again!


http://inlinethumb31.webshots.com/42654/2375747870102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2375747870102410569DlSfnj)


http://inlinethumb33.webshots.com/44064/2078170720102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2078170720102410569XRWUfv)


http://inlinethumb16.webshots.com/28943/2423972420102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2423972420102410569MPwhox)


http://inlinethumb34.webshots.com/31521/2158467720102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2158467720102410569iDGSxB)


http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/41723/2310291850102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2310291850102410569zacDJn)


http://inlinethumb33.webshots.com/8352/2645647340102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2645647340102410569fGqiOx)



Rossi Hotel Landsberger Allee


http://inlinethumb35.webshots.com/41762/2326813100102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2326813100102410569EgIQRt)


http://inlinethumb55.webshots.com/42934/2739444890102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2739444890102410569ElfwQp)


http://inlinethumb24.webshots.com/41943/2244436070102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2244436070102410569XOfrqU)


http://inlinethumb25.webshots.com/43160/2216961890102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2216961890102410569zeCoOJ)


http://inlinethumb40.webshots.com/39847/2838229880102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2838229880102410569QgQSgQ)


http://inlinethumb23.webshots.com/43862/2419386200102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2419386200102410569fVKNCj)


http://inlinethumb02.webshots.com/41793/2689668980102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2689668980102410569POgWLa)


http://inlinethumb51.webshots.com/41266/2032033590102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2032033590102410569SOVwOi)


http://inlinethumb10.webshots.com/42185/2115147180102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2115147180102410569cLdNJY)



Konigstor Hotel!


http://inlinethumb36.webshots.com/19555/2785453770102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2785453770102410569UiXUAn)




Spreedreieck!

http://inlinethumb50.webshots.com/36913/2897709290102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2897709290102410569vOejmG)


http://inlinethumb39.webshots.com/25254/2275651700102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2275651700102410569kqmyXa)


http://inlinethumb21.webshots.com/2388/2912493910102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2912493910102410569dDwnSd)


http://inlinethumb16.webshots.com/22863/2792219580102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2792219580102410569LEqpUn)


http://inlinethumb16.webshots.com/32591/2419309270102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2419309270102410569KnMEUP)


http://inlinethumb14.webshots.com/43533/2950136240102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2950136240102410569iYgMKp)


http://inlinethumb05.webshots.com/43140/2792906810102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2792906810102410569qphQHJ)


http://inlinethumb33.webshots.com/41696/2073447780102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2073447780102410569WxxKYF)


http://inlinethumb26.webshots.com/41049/2943051230102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2943051230102410569JjgKUd)


http://inlinethumb49.webshots.com/43440/2006190720102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2006190720102410569phvhwN)


http://inlinethumb15.webshots.com/43278/2248689400102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2248689400102410569SjEtsn)


http://inlinethumb08.webshots.com/41863/2731287980102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2731287980102410569HegFZj)




Area adjacent to Admiral Palast!

http://inlinethumb46.webshots.com/40173/2678754880102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2678754880102410569LeuWJs)


http://inlinethumb55.webshots.com/42678/2417161690102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2417161690102410569nUitYu)


http://inlinethumb03.webshots.com/39426/2497106750102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2497106750102410569pDLfxP)


http://inlinethumb44.webshots.com/43691/2143350000102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2143350000102410569BZmmpl)


http://inlinethumb05.webshots.com/43396/2118052650102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2118052650102410569OfigJR)


http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/18066/2132840950102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2132840950102410569aebEFJ)




Friedrichstrasse in the rain!

http://inlinethumb13.webshots.com/40972/2957465610102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2957465610102410569llutZN)




Baumschulenweg S-bahn Construction!


http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/38015/2601422060102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2601422060102410569RStEoW)


http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/40548/2347955920102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2347955920102410569CBfqtJ)


http://inlinethumb62.webshots.com/39869/2745358550102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2745358550102410569Vbhkjd)


http://inlinethumb26.webshots.com/18265/2774149000102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2774149000102410569SiStIr)


http://inlinethumb16.webshots.com/7247/2942497140102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2942497140102410569rBOTSw)


http://inlinethumb52.webshots.com/40627/2540711160102410569S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2540711160102410569ySpYyb)


More to come later: including the Grimm building, Many pics of the
townhouses, Tempelhof hafen, zoofenster, Alexanderstrasse tiefgarage etc!