[Dr. Taco]

Howdy. a little while ago, I came across some reflective floor plans for floors 8-11 of Mandorin Oriental. I took pictures of the drawings, and Mr. EventHorizon5 put them on his server for me (too big for photobucket). Forgive me is something like this has been posted before.

so, here they are. Click for full size. They might be more significant to someone else than me, but they are pretty cool. sorry for the bad quality photos :(

http://www.skyscrapersim.com/mando/small/floor08.JPG (http://www.skyscrapersim.com/mando/floor08.JPG)
floor 8

http://www.skyscrapersim.com/mando/small/floor09.JPG (http://www.skyscrapersim.com/mando/floor09.JPG)
floor 9

http://www.skyscrapersim.com/mando/small/floor10.JPG (http://www.skyscrapersim.com/mando/floor10.JPG)
floor 10

http://www.skyscrapersim.com/mando/small/floor11.JPG (http://www.skyscrapersim.com/mando/floor11.JPG)
floor 11


enjoy :)

and thanks again, Ryan Event Horizon V

[honte]

^ Cool. Now we know the present version has at least 12 floors. ;)

Did you happen to take an enlarged photo of the section key in the lower right corner? We could get an accurate floor count of the current design by counting the floors in the section... I tried with the photos you posted, but it's giving me a headache!

[Dr. Taco]

^ sure! I take special requests ;)

give me a bit

[Tom Servo]

:thrasher:



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[Kngkyle]

Is it even worth labeling this as site prep anymore? Seeing as their hasn't been any activity for months.

[Alliance]

There has been talk about knockin it back down.

[Knightwing]

There has been talk about knockin it back down.

Please define...Are you in reference to the building's height being 'knocked down', are you in reference to the building itself being 'knocked down' or are you in reference to the thread being 'knocked down'?

[Nowhereman1280]

Please define...Are you in reference to the building's height being 'knocked down', are you in reference to the building itself being 'knocked down' or are you in reference to the thread being 'knocked down'?

They have already finished the building, but they are now talking about demolishing it because there aren't enough people to fill it...

No, haha, he's referring to the thread getting knocked back to regular proposed from site prep proposed....

[Alliance]

:haha:

[chicubs111]

so whats going on with the manderin...this thing should of been underway i thought?

[Dan in Chicago]

so whats going on with the manderin...this thing should of been underway i thought?

I just stopped in the sales center 2 hours ago, and they said the caisson permit had just been cleared and foundation work would begin in late August or early September.

[Pru]

Is it even worth labeling this as site prep anymore? Seeing as their hasn't been any activity for months.
Maybe we'll give it through the August date in the Sun Times to see if some activity starts there.

Gotta say from a layman's point of view, it looks like it's going forward. The sales office has been up & running for a long time now, the signs are there bragging about what's coming, they did that preliminary digging.... Gotta think either they go in August or they're waiting for a certain sales point ... or given the current boom they're just on a waiting list for Case Foundation!

[ardecila]

Somebody visited the sales center and confirmed a late August/early September foundation start.

[Dale]

Somebody visited the sales center and confirmed a late August/early September foundation start.

Seems like it's usually a good sign when they're willing to cite a fairly specific date.

After all, I have been to sales centers which don't give you anything more definitive than a shrug.

[Alliance]

so...since site prep is clearly over, maybe it should be bumped back down until then.

[SamInTheLoop]

Seems like it's usually a good sign when they're willing to cite a fairly specific date.

After all, I have been to sales centers which don't give you anything more definitive than a shrug.


another good sign (it's sad I'm actually citing this as a "good sign", but this project didn't previously do so great in this regard) is that the development team seems to at least be actively communicating with the sales center! ;)

[CenIL_LA]

I have liked this building since it was first proposed. Very nice yet minimalist design. I wish it wasnt in this location though, it seems to scream for a more open location. Few people will really see it unless they know to look for it. Chicagoans are becoming easier sells on building filled views though it appears. It is interesting because they are willing to accept a concept of dense views that werent wanted really before. Seeing all this development on the north side of Grant Park might be one of the biggest antagonists for the fight against tall buildings in the south loop unfortunately. There are a lot of differences between the two areas though. Development in the South Loop doesnt have existing big scale commercial space to drive residential higher to compete for views. Its also not wedged between a park and a very well developed(developing) piece of river. The high end shopping districts are not in an arms reach either. The neighborhoods by AON are going to be the most attractive nieghborhoods in the city for some time to come.

[chicubs111]

PROPERTY REPORT


Living Life Like Eloise:
More Hotels Add Condos
By RYAN CHITTUM
July 25, 2007; Page B1

In two weeks, Palladian Development will break ground on a 75-story Mandarin Oriental Tower with 252 hotel rooms and 260 condos overlooking Millennium Park in Chicago. Prices start at $700,000 and top out at the penthouse at $18 million, and more than half have sold. "People really like the fact that they can take the elevator down to the spa in the morning and pop by to eat or order room service at night," says Chris Kenny, Palladian's chief financial officer.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118532291187076949.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

[WonderlandPark]

I have liked this building since it was first proposed. Very nice yet minimalist design. I wish it wasnt in this location though, it seems to scream for a more open location.

I agree, wish a building this big were elsewhere. Like the south Loop.

[dagobert]

Here is a picture from the WSJ article showing the Northern looking view out of the Mandarin.

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/images/MK-AL070A_CONDO_20070724194707.jpg

[forumly_chgoman]

With the WSJ reporting 75 stories & I beleive NCS also reporting 930 ft, I think last time I looked is it time this thread title is changed?

It was nice toi see that in the journal this morning

[Steely Dan]

With the WSJ reporting 75 stories & I beleive NCS also reporting 930 ft, I think last time I looked is it time this thread title is changed?

i don't really feel like changing any of the stats on this tower anymore until it goes U/C and a reliable person gets a look at the CDs.

[forumly_chgoman]

Oh I understand Steely, this one has been shrouded in vagueness for quite a time. I was just excited to see this announced in the Journal this morning....but hopefully it will be the 75 story / 900 & sum odd foot variety

[APPRAISER]

So i'm guessing what they mean by breaking ground is ripping up the parking lot and not drilling caisons I take it.

[laro3]

i sent bvic the elevated drawings two weeks ago,still waiting for him to post them

[Alliance]

Its good that we're hearing some conformation. Hopefully in august then :cool:

[SamInTheLoop]

From online Illinois Real Estate Journal -

"The building was designed by Solomon Cordwell Buenz’s Martin Wolf and will be 931 feet tall and contain 898,000 square feet of residential and retail space. It is being built by Bovis Lend Lease and leased by Koenig & Strey."


For full article, click: http://www.irej.com/story.cfm?Market=IL&StoryID=15073

[SamInTheLoop]

If Palladian somehow manages to land complete financing around the time of groundbreaking (and if groundbreaking really does occur within the next few weeks), I think that would make Teng appear pretty incompetent with their financial fumbling on Waterview...

[trvlr70]

From online Illinois Real Estate Journal -

"The building was designed by Solomon Cordwell Buenz’s Martin Wolf and will be 931 feet tall and contain 898,000 square feet of residential and retail space. It is being built by Bovis Lend Lease and leased by Koenig & Strey."


For full article, click: http://www.irej.com/story.cfm?Market=IL&StoryID=15073

I never knew an EL stop had been planned for that location. Too bad it didn't happen....Illinois Center desperately needs one.

[Alliance]

If Palladian somehow manages to land complete financing around the time of groundbreaking (and if groundbreaking really does occur within the next few weeks), I think that would make Teng appear pretty incompetent with their financial fumbling on Waterview...

Come on.

[Sir Isaac Newton]

This article claims that MO has "recently started construction", although I'm not sure if that statement is accurate:

http://www.irej.com/story.cfm?Market=IL&StoryID=15073

[forumly_chgoman]

This article claims that MO has "recently started construction", although I'm not sure if that statement is accurate:

http://www.irej.com/story.cfm?Market=IL&StoryID=15073

Its is accurate in the minds of some...perhaps the developer for instance who has shelled out a lot of money for what we call here "site prep". This forum has a very specific & perhaps idiosyncratic definition of what U/C is. Just because it is not U/C here does not mean that is not officially U/C somewhere else.

[Rocket1]

Its is accurate in the minds of some...perhaps the developer for instance who has shelled out a lot of money for what we call here "site prep". This forum has a very specific & perhaps idiosyncratic definition of what U/C is. Just because it is not U/C here does not mean that is not officially U/C somewhere else.


My recollection is that there's been extensive site prep -- sealing off numerous tunnels, etc, etc.

From a developer and investor point of view, calling it "under construction" definitely seems reasonable to me.

[BVictor1]

If Palladian somehow manages to land complete financing around the time of groundbreaking (and if groundbreaking really does occur within the next few weeks), I think that would make Teng appear pretty incompetent with their financial fumbling on Waterview...

And what financial fumbling would that be? The fact that they haven't informed the great Sam of their plans and source of financing?

Give me a break.

[Alliance]

:cool:

[Mojava]

From what I was told regarding the previous site work was that they relocated a pipe that connected the river to Prudential Plaza. River water is the primary means of cooling Pru. This had to be done before summer as they didnt want to disrupt the air conditioning at Pru. There is also a proposed Red Line stop there that could still possible be constructed so some redesign and approvals had to be met. Aside from that there are your usual freight tunnels and also CDOT has offices on lower Stetson that had to be taken into account.

[honte]

^ Can someone explain please how the Red Line would connect to this site? I assumed the "unbuilt L stop" was something to do with the IC station under there, not the L system....

[jrickw]

^ Can someone explain please how the Red Line would connect to this site? I assumed the "unbuilt L stop" was something to do with the IC station under there, not the L system....

This is an off-topic diversion but I am equally confused. The red line is nowhere near Illinois Center. It's blocks away. Unless they are going to build a whole new tunnel that sends the track on a U-shaped diversion from what is now a straight line between Lake and Grand, I don't think this makes any sense. And with the CTA's financial problems the idea of a new tunnel or a new station where there isn't one already seems quite far-fetched.

[SamInTheLoop]

And what financial fumbling would that be? The fact that they haven't informed the great Sam of their plans and source of financing?

Give me a break.

No - rather, the loans will be made public knowledge almost as soon as they occur - trust me there is no big secret as far as the financing is concerned. Always be critical, always be skeptical of all aspects of all projects - even those that you (and I for that matter) love....being analytically rigorous is a positive....blind cheerleading, not so much....

[Mojava]

Bvic, what major project hasnt officially announced their loan? None that I can think of. Clearly, they dont have their construction loan finalized. That being said, I think they are on their way but times have changed. Lenders are a lot more cautous these days

[kalmia]

^ Can someone explain please how the Red Line would connect to this site? I assumed the "unbuilt L stop" was something to do with the IC station under there, not the L system....


Maybe a walk through the underground pedway. Although the way it is now, it would be cut off certain times of day.


I guess it would also be connected to the Metra, which is closer.

[VivaLFuego]

This is an off-topic diversion but I am equally confused. The red line is nowhere near Illinois Center. It's blocks away. Unless they are going to build a whole new tunnel that sends the track on a U-shaped diversion from what is now a straight line between Lake and Grand, I don't think this makes any sense. And with the CTA's financial problems the idea of a new tunnel or a new station where there isn't one already seems quite far-fetched.

My guess would be it had to do either with the distributor subway from the late 60s, which would have still been on the table when Illinois Center was first built, or with the more recent downtown circulator (LRT or BRT) project. The north branch of the distributor subway would likely have run under Columbus/Fairbanks or Stetson on it's way north to Streeterville. The term 'rapid transit' suggests its not just referring to a pedestrian connection to a commuter rail terminal.

[jpIllInoIs]

IMO the Mandarin will be the next Chicago building to go from 'proposed' to 'UC'. Although the extreme gray area that the BCBS building status could upset my prediction. :shrug:

[trvlr70]

IMO the Mandarin will be the next Chicago building to go from 'proposed' to 'UC'. Although the extreme gray area that the BCBS building status could upset my prediction. :shrug:

I pretty much agree unless 155 Wacker beats them both to the punch. But all of these are looking in the bag as far as construction starts go.

When these three towers are begun, Chicago will truly be having a building boom of unimaginable proportions.

[SamInTheLoop]

^ if i were a gambling man, i'd put my $ on 155...

[jpIllInoIs]

^ I may have overlooked 155 N. Wacker...since there is no dedicated thread in this forum, yet! I will stick with Madarain for sporting purposes.

[Rocket1]

^ I may have overlooked 155 N. Wacker...since there is no dedicated thread in this forum, yet! I will stick with Madarain for sporting purposes.

At its proposed height -- 635 ft -- would 155 North Wacker rate its own thread under the current "rules" at SSP for Chicago highrises?

Isn't 700 ft the cutoff now (except for high-profile projects like Block 37?)


Maybe Steely should consider changing the height cutoff for Chicago threads in Highrise Proposals to 600 ft, since the market seems to be slowing down so much.

[Knightwing]

^ Good idea..

[trvlr70]

IMO the Mandarin will be the next Chicago building to go from 'proposed' to 'UC'. Although the extreme gray area that the BCBS building status could upset my prediction. :shrug:

Let's also not forget about Streeter II

[the urban politician]

Maybe Steely should consider changing the height cutoff for Chicago threads in Highrise Proposals to 600 ft, since the market seems to be slowing down so much.

^ I completely disagree. Chicago has standards, and 700 ft should be the cutoff. We have plenty of individual threads as it is, so what's the big deal?

Besides, how many different threads do you want to sift through to get updates?

[Knightwing]

^600ft by all means is still a pretty hefty size tower. I think that there should be a bit of flexibility to mirror what the market is doing. The probability of proposals over 700ft is significantly different now than it was 4 years ago.

[bnk]

^ I completely disagree. Chicago has standards, and 700 ft should be the cutoff. We have plenty of individual threads as it is, so what's the big deal?

Besides, how many different threads do you want to sift through to get updates?

This really is an embarrassment of riches. To leave off building less than 700 feet that probably would be anchor projects in most other metro areas.

These are tough decisions that most other cities would die for.:cool:




Off topic but I brought this up before but I will mention it here since I just posted.


Where is Chicago getting all of the Iron workers, concrete, tower cranes, ect to keep up with this incredible boom.

Is any workers coming from out of state or are we just adding construction jobs locally.

Maybe some inside people could best answer this question.

BTW thanks for all of the new inside posters that bring a viewpoint most of us would never get otherwise.

[mcfinley]

Maybe Steely should consider changing the height cutoff for Chicago threads in Highrise Proposals to 600 ft, since the market seems to be slowing down so much.

Curious. Where is the post that states a 700ft cutoff for Chicago threads? I looked through the stickys but maybe I missed it.

[Chase Unperson]

At its proposed height -- 635 ft -- would 155 North Wacker rate its own thread under the current "rules" at SSP for Chicago highrises?

Isn't 700 ft the cutoff now (except for high-profile projects like Block 37?)


Maybe Steely should consider changing the height cutoff for Chicago threads in Highrise Proposals to 600 ft, since the market seems to be slowing down so much.

It's moronic to have a cut-off solely based on height. A 500 ft building could be the most architecturally significant building in the world.

[aaron38]

The height limit for threads was already debated. The rules were changed to give more flexibility. If an absolutely amazing proposal comes in, but is under 700 ft., it may very well get it's own thread.

It all comes down to interest and demand. If everyone wants a sub 700'er to get it's own thread, it'll happen, so don't worry about it.

[Chicago Shawn]

Off topic but I brought this up before but I will mention it here since I just posted.


Where is Chicago getting all of the Iron workers, concrete, tower cranes, ect to keep up with this incredible boom.

Is any workers coming from out of state or are we just adding construction jobs locally.

Maybe some inside people could best answer this question.

BTW thanks for all of the new inside posters that bring a viewpoint most of us would never get otherwise.


Chicago has two major concrete plants just outside of downtown, Prairie Material at Halsted and Chicago and Ozinga (red and white stripped trucks) at Cermak and Lumber Street. Thier riverfront locations allows massive amounts of raw material to come in by barge. Also alot of sand and gravel aggrigate is found right here in our region thanks to the glaciers which left it behind when they melted. Take a road trip up to McHenry County and see some of the vast gravel pits and quarries which supply endless quanities of raw material for concrete and assphalt.

Construction workers are comming in from out of state. I have heard there are some from the Detroit metro who spend 4 days a week here in Chicago. Perhaps someone working in the construction industry could confirm that.

[Knightwing]

Updates anyone? I have a feeling this thing will get underway sometime in September. I called the sales center about a month ago and was told 45-60 days before they got going. We'll see.

[Marcu]

Construction workers are comming in from out of state. I have heard there are some from the Detroit metro who spend 4 days a week here in Chicago. Perhaps someone working in the construction industry could confirm that.

I am not in the industry but it doesn't surprise me at all. I have met construction workers from Houston that claimed to fly in every week to work on downtown projects, and Detroit is much closer than Houston.

[Alliance]

Where is Chicago getting all of the Iron workers, concrete, tower cranes, ect to keep up with this incredible boom.

Is any workers coming from out of state or are we just adding construction jobs locally.

Maybe some inside people could best answer this question.

BTW thanks for all of the new inside posters that bring a viewpoint most of us would never get otherwise.


Well, we have seen workers move from one site to another. Like the Case cassion crews went straight from 353 N. Clark to the Spire. I also think the Crane from Columbian went right to Legacy.

[bnk]

Well, we have seen workers move from one site to another. Like the Case cassion crews went straight from 353 N. Clark to the Spire. I also think the Crane from Columbian went right to Legacy.

Well Case has most likely had to beef up the number of workers allot from the lean years of the 90's. I expect Case to be busy for the next several years at least. Case and other similar companies must be doing very well in this latest boom, unless they have foolishly underbid all of their work, which I don’t think they have for there are only a few other groups that can do what they do.

[Alliance]

Well Case has most likely had to beef up the number of workers allot from the lean years of the 90's. I expect Case to be busy for the next several years at least. Case and other similar companies must be doing very well in this latest boom, unless they have foolishly underbid all of their work, which I don’t think they have for there are only a few other groups that can do what they do.


well if they did underbid @ the beginning of the boom, they've certainly had time to correct that error on some rather large projects.

[The Pimp]

^600ft by all means is still a pretty hefty size tower. I think that there should be a bit of flexibility to mirror what the market is doing. The probability of proposals over 700ft is significantly different now than it was 4 years ago.

Let me apologize in advance for not paying attention. But, when was the height lowered on this building?

[aaron38]

^^^ They were talking about 155 N Wacker deserving it's own thread. They weren't talking about Mandarin.

[SolarWind]

August 17, 2007

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5968/dsc0615um0.jpg

Nothing new, but an update nevertheless. Hopefully we'll see some activity soon. :)

[Pandemonious]

It is no longer a parking lot at the very least... and is a site that is ripe for development.

I don't think this one was supposed to move forward for a few more months anyway.

[Knightwing]

^Yea, I'm betting on late next month.

[Ryan81]

i sent bvic the elevated drawings two weeks ago,still waiting for him to post them

If someone has Elevation Drawings to post, that would be awesome. I am trying to collect as many accurate documents as I can, so that I can make accurate sketchup models of some of the supertall proposals/under construction buildings.

[spyguy]

http://www.kone.com/en/main/0,,content=65808,00.html

ONE Wins an Order for the Mandarin Oriental Tower in Chicago
Sep 4, 2007

KONE has received a contract from Bovis Lend Lease on behalf of Palladian Development for the design, delivery and installation of all elevators for the new building named Mandarin Oriental Tower Chicago in the U.S. When completed, the multi-purpose building will offer five-star hotel guest rooms, private residences and tower condominiums. The first floors of the building will house restaurants that are part of the hotel and luxury retail.

Standing at 248 meters (814 feet), the Mandarin Oriental Chicago will be among the ten tallest buildings in Chicago once it is completed in 2010. The exclusive development will be located next to Chicago’s growing Millennium Park neighborhood, which has become the city’s renowned centre for art, music, architecture and landscape design. Mandarin Oriental Chicago will occupy 19 floors of the 61-story tower.

“KONE is excited to work with Palladian Development, Bovis Lend Lease and Solomon Cordwell Buenz Architects, which were important considerations for KONE in securing this prestigious project. KONE is also extremely pleased to work with the Mandarin Hotel in their first luxury project in Chicago,” comments Vance Tang, KONE EVP, Area Director for the Americas.

The hotel and residences will be equipped with 14 KONE MiniSpaceTM and 3 KONE MonoSpace® elevators, and one hydraulic elevator. The installation of the elevators is planned to start in April 2008 and scheduled to be completed in January 2010.

[bnk]

:previous:

Yea this is good news to me at least.

I am loving all of the 5 star hotels going up now and in the future.

Maybe all of the competition will keep the prices at least reasonable, or at least make the Peninsula keep its prices low.

[Pru]

Standing at 248 meters (814 feet), the Mandarin Oriental Chicago will be among the ten tallest buildings in Chicago once it is completed in 2010....

It's shrinking. Why so much variation in the published height? I take it there's no building permit and approved plans yet?

tsk tsk.... it was knocking on the door of "supertall" but at 814 feet it'll be a hair shorter than Aqua. But still -- the third tallest building at this intersection (THAT is remarkable but woulda still been true and absolutely phenomenal if it had come in at 930 feet) and fourth tallest within a block (Aqua).

[honte]

It's shrinking.

Just what I was thinking... by the time this thing is ready for elevators, it will have shrunk to the height of a walk-up.

P.S. These guys need to get their facts straight... 814' wouldn't be in the Top 10 in Chicago today, even if no other buildings were presently being built. Their mistakes aren't good for the city's image. ;)

[chicubs111]

All these heights figures quoated in these papers should obviolsy be ignored until we get some final blueprints...this building is constantly changing hieghts and figures are usually quated from old sources. All i know is that the website says 74 stories...If the developer was gonna make changes than the website would be the first thing changed.

[Alliance]

814' bumps it below legacy and a mere 2' above Aqua. However, its good to hear progress. I've been worried about this one.

[BVictor1]

http://www.kone.com/en/main/0,,content=65808,00.html

ONE Wins an Order for the Mandarin Oriental Tower in Chicago
Sep 4, 2007

The hotel and residences will be equipped with 14 KONE MiniSpaceTM and 3 KONE MonoSpace® elevators, and one hydraulic elevator. The installation of the elevators is planned to start in April 2008 and scheduled to be completed in January 2010.

How the hell are they going to do this without a building to put them in? :shrug:

Just an observation...

[Dr. Taco]

^ well, its seems to make sense that the elevator system would be constructed at the same time and rate that the core goes up, albeit with lag

[Kngkyle]

^ well, its seems to make sense that the elevator system would be constructed at the same time and rate that the core goes up, albeit with lag

I don't believe the elevators can be installed until the building is topped out. All of the equipment and motors would be on the top floor.

[Dr. Taco]

^ well, I really don't think its worth speculating on, but elevator companies are responsible for the doors on each floor as well

[X-fib]

How the hell are they going to do this without a building to put them in? :shrug:

Just an observation...

I can see it now.... An 800+ foot bare concrete elevator core, no building around it. Would make for an interesting construction technique! :)

[2PRUROCKS!]

I don't believe the elevators can be installed until the building is topped out. All of the equipment and motors would be on the top floor.

If this is the case then how will the Hotel portion of Trump Chicago be able to open up and be functional long before the building is topped out?

[GregBear24]

^ People will have to use the construction elevators on the outside:yes:

[Knightwing]

Just what I was thinking... by the time this thing is ready for elevators, it will have shrunk to the height of a walk-up.


:lmao:

[Knightwing]

^ People will have to use the construction elevators on the outside:yes:

:lmao:

[Kngkyle]

If this is the case then how will the Hotel portion of Trump Chicago be able to open up and be functional long before the building is topped out?

I'm sure they have dedicated elevators that will only go up to the hotel portion. I suppose the same could be said about Mandarin Oriental. Didn't think of that. ;)

[spyguy]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-wed_spire_0926sep26,0,2106425.story

Big projects may be pulled back to earth
September 26, 2007

The $650 million Mandarin Oriental Tower Chicago residential and hotel condominium project has not started construction.

"We already placed our [construction] loan but are still moving around pieces in the capital stack," said developer Gerard Kenny, president of Palladian Development LLC.

[jpIllInoIs]

With the announcement of the Waldorf/Astoria project today, it would seem as thought the Mandarin had better commence construction or risk losing out on the market. If they have the loan as they say, and they have sales in their pocket, then what is the hold up? Could they be waiting for a crane?

[Mojava]

I think they are still waiting for permits as well. Its a fairly complicated site as there are CDOT offices on lower Stetson and a proposed CTA line.

[10023]

I think they are still waiting for permits as well. Its a fairly complicated site as there are CDOT offices on lower Stetson and a proposed CTA line.

What proposed CTA line? Running north & south? I would think this would be better another block to the east, but Chicago really needs a line that runs the length of the lakefront... the Red Line is too far west if you live right by the lake in Lincoln Park / Lakeview and there's no CTA line that runs near enough to Solider Field, McCormick place, and Hyde Park to make it convenient. For someone used to New York or European levels of transit coverage, the Red Line under State isn't really walking distance from most of Streeterville either.

[Dr. Taco]

^ like the redline?

[Nowhereman1280]

Yeah, that would definately be redundant, the red line is like what, at most 8 blocks from the lake, usually much much closer.

If anything they need one parallel to the red line about 10 blocks west of it starting at the Brownline where it goes east and just going south roughly along the river and then under clyborn and then down like halsted then to union station then back out into the south loop along canal st..

[Steely Dan]

this is the mandarin oriental thread, please post your transit expansion ideas in the chicago transit thread, not here.

[spyguy]

Bump...
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/2920/mandarinrestox0.jpg

[Mojava]

very cool restaurant. thanks spyguy. where did you find that one.

[Alliance]

Bump...
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/2920/mandarinrestox0.jpg

Holy Frick. Where did you pull that render from? :cool:

[forumly_chgoman]

Bump...
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/2920/mandarinrestox0.jpg

I hope they serve steak

[CHAPINM1]

Awesome restaurant, the atmosphere alone would be worth it!!!

Anyway, what floor is it to be located on?

[Alliance]

Looking at the skylights on the ceiling...one might suggest the roof. ;)

[Dr. Taco]

Looking at the skylights on the ceiling...one might suggest the roof. ;)

:haha: I didn't really notice those skylights either

[Mojava]

looking at the building rendering those skylights seem to be at the first setback. looks to be about 10-15 floors up.

[Alliance]

*maybe, but there's only 4our shon there and that space isn't long enough for whats pictured.

Given that the right wall in the picture is solid, the back wall is glass showing buildings (900 N Michigan?) in the distance, the left wall is glass (but not important enough to depict), and hte shots taken from the (South? 2 Pru is there so there's nothing really to see)...

...I'd say its the topfloor of the building on the western side, behind the crown.

[EarlyBuyer]

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