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NYguy
Aug 29, 2005, 11:17 PM
I'm not sure if this tower is even under construction

Flatiron District, Manhattan


Currently under construction, Sky House is a 54-story luxury condominium located at 11 East 29th Street in Manhattan’s Flatiron District. This dynamic building designed by Fox & Fowle Architects features 138 one, two and three bedroom homes.

http://www.clarett.com/images/skyhouseblock.jpg


http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.clarett.com/images/flatiron-Tower-Elev.jpg

Chi-town
Aug 29, 2005, 11:27 PM
Pretty ugly... but damn tall.

lakegz
Aug 30, 2005, 1:18 AM
for the Flatiron district huh? this one is gonna be one huge sore thumb.

Stephenapolis
Aug 30, 2005, 1:19 AM
That is a very thin tower!

CarlosV
Aug 30, 2005, 1:54 AM
This project is NOT listed in the Official Fox & Fowle website...

JACKinBeantown
Aug 30, 2005, 2:18 AM
If it's a white crane I've seen it.

JACKinBeantown
Aug 30, 2005, 2:20 AM
Nevermind... I think I've seen 325 Fifth Ave. Oh well.

randella
Aug 30, 2005, 2:26 AM
ugly is right. bleck.

FlyersFan118
Aug 30, 2005, 3:54 AM
ew...

some architects don't understand something:

TALLER doesn't always mean BETTER...


What an eyesore. i hope that never gets built.

Fabb
Aug 30, 2005, 8:20 AM
I'm sure that the rendering doesn't do justice to the project. It won't be bad at all.

AJphx
Aug 30, 2005, 12:03 PM
some architects don't understand something:

TALLER doesn't always mean BETTER...



thats not fair.... what exactly would the architect have to do with how tall it is?

also it has to be mentioned this is a Fox and Fowle building.... they certainly understand that better than most.

Fabb
Aug 30, 2005, 12:23 PM
One facade emphasizes the vertical lines and the other shows clearly each individual floor. I'd like to see that in reality.

CGII
Aug 30, 2005, 4:40 PM
It looks like some suburban sprawl architect was hired to design something that didn't look urban but yet in the urban setting. Dear God it looks terrible.

Islander
Aug 30, 2005, 7:23 PM
What's everyone complaining about? It's just a residential, and at least it doesn't have ugly balconies sticking out of every floor.

CoolCzech
Sep 2, 2005, 12:36 AM
What's ugly about it? Just another veritical box in NYC, but a little more elongated - that could be pretty cool actually, making it look taller than it really is.

iamrobk
Sep 2, 2005, 1:06 AM
It looks kinda like a rowhome on steroids.

Matty
Sep 2, 2005, 10:31 PM
It'll actually look pretty good, if you know... Used your brains to imagine what it would look like instead of judging a rendering.

Just a thought.

randella
Sep 4, 2005, 12:01 AM
i understand what you mean about having to imagine, matty. but i've seen one too many renderings where the artist emphasises the best aspects of a building... only to see the finished product lack that emphasis, or materials are degraded, or landscaping that was so prominent in a rendering turns out to be non-existent on balaconies and rooftops.

Fabb
Sep 4, 2005, 6:49 AM
We all agree that it looks tall and slender. But does anyone have an idea of the actual height ?

Grumpy
Sep 4, 2005, 3:12 PM
not that spectacular but these are 2 different towers and that is a good thing afterall

CGII
Sep 4, 2005, 3:15 PM
I think this building would look good after about 20 years. I think this a building that would age well.

Fabb
Sep 4, 2005, 3:23 PM
Much like the Carnegie Hall Tower. Hard to tell when it was built.
This one, too, will never look like a brand new tower.

randella
Sep 4, 2005, 4:37 PM
this rendering was posted in another thread... looks like the rooftop garden is more developed. anyone know which design is the most recent?

http://www.clarett.com/images/skyhouse.jpg

NYguy
Sep 5, 2005, 7:17 PM
That last rendering is pretty much the same as the first one (the roof). I'm still not sure of the construction status, its listed as under construction here:
http://www.clarett.com/

In December 2002, The Clarett Group formed Clarett Capital, LLC in conjunction with Prudential Real Estate Investors (PREI), to develop rental and condominium properties. Clarett Capital is currently developing six New York City properties as well as one Los Angeles property. OPUS, a 22-story luxury condominium on the Upper West Side is open for occupancy and construction has begun on Place 57, a 36-story luxury condominium featuring a Baccarat lobby and crystal garden located at 207 East 57th Street. Construction has also begun at Chelsea House on West 19th Street and at Sky House, a 54-story luxury building on East 29th Street.


I would estimate the height at around 560 ft.

randella
Sep 5, 2005, 9:29 PM
now you know why i'm suspicious of renderings. the rooftop garden in the last rendering has a glass enclosed area that respects the entrance on the main level. a money grubby developer would just drop it and make it a rooftop sundeck.

buildup
Sep 5, 2005, 11:01 PM
I would like to see a better rendering than a drawing. If they had a digital (?) drawing that makes it look real in the skyline it might look better. Is that small base enough room for parking?

NYguy
Sep 19, 2005, 1:18 PM
I would like to see a better rendering than a drawing. If they had a digital (?) drawing that makes it look real in the skyline it might look better. Is that small base enough room for parking?


Keep forgetting about this one. I don't know why they don't have a better rendering, but I haven't been by the site.

CGII
Sep 20, 2005, 2:45 AM
When I go to the site it simply says 'Index of/,' as if to show a gallery of images, sans images.

NYguy
Sep 26, 2005, 12:56 PM
When I go to the site it simply says 'Index of/,' as if to show a gallery of images, sans images.


I meant 29th street. If you mean the website, go to the list of developments...
http://www.clarett.com/



This site...
http://skyhousecondo.com/
gets nothing.

NYguy
Sep 26, 2005, 1:02 PM
Here's a quote from The Real Deal


September 2005

New Residential Developments
By Mikhail Boguslavsky


Flatiron Sky House
11 East 29th Street

Sonnenblick-Goldman arranged a $30.4 million mezzanine construction loan for The Clarett Group. Clarett is developing the 54-story, 139-unit luxury condominium, which overlooks the landmarked Church of the Transfiguration. ASB Capital Management Inc. provided the funding. The total project cost is approximately $165 million.

kazpmk
Oct 3, 2005, 12:21 AM
Has this tower begun construction????

JACKinBeantown
Oct 3, 2005, 3:36 AM
I've seen a building in that general location going up that's about 8 or 10 stories by now.

Jularc
Oct 3, 2005, 4:33 AM
This is going to be a tall one when built! :tup:

Jularc
Nov 4, 2005, 6:41 AM
They have started to demolish something at this site already... like a small building.

Here is the site:

http://i.pbase.com/v3/55/435155/1/51771066.SkyTower.JPG

Jularc
Nov 4, 2005, 5:17 PM
Ok here are some photos:

http://i.pbase.com/v3/55/435155/1/51768211.IMG_0525.jpg

http://i.pbase.com/v3/55/435155/1/51768215.IMG_0530.jpg

http://i.pbase.com/v3/55/435155/1/51768213.IMG_0528.jpg

This is across the street from Sky House:

http://i.pbase.com/v3/55/435155/1/51768217.IMG_0531.jpg

That tall residential tower was built in the last couple of years:

http://i.pbase.com/v3/55/435155/1/51768220.IMG_0532.jpg

buildup
Nov 4, 2005, 7:21 PM
It won't look so bad. Some of the towers across the street are worse.

NYguy
Nov 5, 2005, 12:01 AM
Ok here are some photos:

http://i.pbase.com/v3/55/435155/1/51768215.IMG_0530.jpg

Very good. I have been meaning to check it out, but have been very busy lately. Looks like this one's rising...

http://www.clarett.com/images/skyhouse.jpg

James Bond Agent 007
Nov 5, 2005, 7:45 AM
Whoa, they should call this one the Skinny House, lol.

Jularc
Nov 18, 2005, 1:31 AM
November 17, 2005


Design of tall Sky House project at 11 West 29th Street modified

http://www.cityrealty.com/graphics/uploads/1132264602_skyhouse.gif



The Clarett Group has redesigned its very tall and slender Sky House project at 11 East 29th Street.

It is now 55 stories tall and has a setback on its north side and a total of 139 one- and two-bedroom condominium apartments.

It previously was 54 stories with no setbacks with 138 units.

The building has been designed by FX Fowle and uses air rights from the adjacent Church of the Transfiguration, known familiarly as the Little Church Around the Corner, at 1 East 29th Street.

The new tower will rise across the street from the Madison Belvedere, a 50-story, 400-unit rental tower erected a few years ago at 10 West 29th Street.

Clarett is also erecting the 36-story Plaza 57, another condo tower, on the former site of the Sutton Theater at 207 East 57th Street.

According to the architects, "to help the building blend with its lower-scale surroundings, the building was divided into three slender masses," each clad in a red-brown iron-spot brick. "The element facing 29th Street and overlooking the church is set back from the street and has an architectural expression of vertical piers….Like a belfry or campanile, this almost-square tower soars into the sky celebrating and defining the presence of the historic landmark. The church’s parish house is a new three-story structure at the base of the tower that projects forward to the sidewalk, thus extending the scale and refined architectural detail of the church compound toward the east."

The new tower will have an extremely high height-to-width ratio, perhaps somewhat like that Trump World Tower on First Avenue. While it clearly towers over the charming church complex and gardens, it is considerably thinner than Madison Belvedere at 10 West 29th Street.

The church building was erected in 1849 on what were then the outskirts of the city.

In 1870 Joseph Jefferson was rebuffed at a nearby church in arranging for the funeral of his friend, George Holland, an actor. Told that there was a little church around the corner where "they do that sort of thing," Jefferson fervently and memorably exclaimed, "God Bless the Little Church Around the Corner." In 1923, the Episcopal Actors' Guild was founded and it carries on an active program at its national headquarters in the Guild Hall and such theatrical greats as Basil Rathbone, Tallulah Bankhead, Cornelia Otis Skinner, Charlton Heston, and Rex Harrison served on its council.

The church’s fourth rector, Father Orin Griesmyer, led the parish in opposing a city plan in 1962 to build a cross-town arterial highway that would have left the church stranded between the east- and west-bound lanes.


Copyright © 1994-2005 CITY REALTY

NYguy
Nov 18, 2005, 2:34 AM
November 17, 2005


Design of tall Sky House project at 11 West 29th Street modified

http://www.cityrealty.com/graphics/uploads/1132264602_skyhouse.gif



The Clarett Group has redesigned its very tall and slender Sky House project at 11 East 29th Street. It is now 55 stories tall and has a setback on its north side and a total of 139 one- and two-bedroom condominium apartments.

The new tower will have an extremely high height-to-width ratio, perhaps somewhat like that Trump World Tower on First Avenue.


I like the new design better. What's the exact height on this thing anyway? It must near 600 ft...

NYguy
Nov 18, 2005, 2:38 AM
I see they've changed it at the website also. But is its not as different as I first thought, just the angle which shows the broader side...

http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.clarett.com/images/flatiron-Tower-Elev.jpghttp://www.cityrealty.com/graphics/uploads/1132264602_skyhouse.gif

Lecom
Nov 18, 2005, 2:38 AM
Great new tower. Looks like with the tower next door they will begin a pretty tall cluster in that area.

STERNyc
Nov 18, 2005, 2:58 AM
It would have been better if the windowless flank was not included.

Lost Island
Nov 18, 2005, 3:20 AM
At least it's graduated from eyesore.

Antares41
Nov 18, 2005, 5:14 AM
The redesign is an improvement! I also like the color should really stand out in the skyline below ESB . I would think this bldg. is nearing 600ft or more.

Just Rich
Nov 18, 2005, 2:07 PM
The site is 50 feet wide on the south side (37' 6" on the north)
A little interpolation puts this one at 589' tall

Vito Corleone
Nov 18, 2005, 2:12 PM
The buildings address is actually 11 East 29th. It was listed at 588 ft., according to the NYDOB.

Fabb
Nov 18, 2005, 2:24 PM
The old design looked amateurish. I'm not surprised that a new one was finally released.

DubbaG
Nov 18, 2005, 5:52 PM
I think it has a sort of classic look to it. Simple, vertical and brown.

bayrider
Nov 18, 2005, 6:17 PM
that thing is hideous. looks like it belong in the 70's-80's

Stratosphere 2020
Nov 18, 2005, 10:23 PM
I agree it is a kinda ugly...

NYguy
Nov 19, 2005, 12:20 AM
I think it has a sort of classic look to it. Simple, vertical and brown.


Sometimes simple is what you need. It doesn't really resemble a residential tower...

http://www.cityrealty.com/graphics/uploads/1132264602_skyhouse.gif

Vito Corleone
Nov 19, 2005, 12:58 AM
Bagged the exact height today: 588' 4" to top mechanial penthouse. Source: FX Fowle

Fabb
Nov 19, 2005, 6:54 AM
Good !
That'll make it fairly tall.

NYguy
Nov 19, 2005, 2:43 PM
Bagged the exact height today: 588' 4" to top mechanial penthouse. Source: FX Fowle

Excellent.

That makes it taller than 15 CPW:

http://www.cityrealty.com/graphics/uploads/1132264602_skyhouse.gif_http://www.triplemint.com/photos/uncategorized/15cpw50_1.jpg?

NYguy
Jan 3, 2006, 4:30 PM
JANUARY 2, 2006

Still not much to look at, but it will rise...


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/54348459/large.jpg


The ever present Empire State will provide great views for the residents...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/54348469/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/54348473/original.jpg

kazpmk
Jan 4, 2006, 6:20 PM
Constructions hasn't begun yet?? I thought it already did.

NYguy
Jan 5, 2006, 12:41 AM
Constructions hasn't begun yet?? I thought it already did.

Work has started at the site.

Sacto
Jan 5, 2006, 4:50 PM
NYC has so many buildings these days that I don't think that a perfect design really matters for this city, unless you're willing to take a closer look...

NYguy
Jan 6, 2006, 11:41 AM
NYC has so many buildings these days that I don't think that a perfect design really matters for this city, unless you're willing to take a closer look...


That's why so many towers go up under the radar. They can get away with bad designs because the towers don't stand out as much. When completed, its as if they were always there.

Jularc
Jan 6, 2006, 2:27 PM
That's why so many towers go up under the radar. They can get away with bad designs because the towers don't stand out as much. When completed, its as if they were always there.

Exactly. :yes:

NYguy
Jan 23, 2006, 11:27 PM
JANUARY 22, 2006


Still not much to see at the site...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/55229253/large.jpg

Jularc
Mar 2, 2006, 3:34 AM
From the top of the Empire State Building. March 1, 2006:


http://i.pbase.com/o4/55/435155/1/56705305.13.JPG

http://i.pbase.com/o4/55/435155/1/56705309.14.JPG

NYguy
Mar 2, 2006, 1:46 PM
It's unbelievable how dense Manhattan is sometimes. And yet, you can add
a skyscraper almost anywhere. Where's the room in this photo? The answer is "up"...

http://i.pbase.com/o4/55/435155/1/56705305.13.JPG

Jularc
Mar 2, 2006, 3:44 PM
From the NYSUN story: http://www.nysun.com/article/28472


Construction is under way on the Clarett Group's Sky House, a 55-story, 139-unit luxury condominium building at 11 E. 29th St.

So they haven't really started yet. It is been a while.

Antares41
Mar 3, 2006, 6:36 PM
^Looks like they added a floor this was initially 54 stories but now its 55 stories. Is this modification going to add a little more height to this baby!

Fabb
Mar 3, 2006, 8:28 PM
Probably not.
The modification was announced last November, before we even knew about the height figure.

November 17, 2005


Design of tall Sky House project at 11 West 29th Street modified

It is now 55 stories tall and has a setback on its north side and a total of 139 one- and two-bedroom condominium apartments.

It previously was 54 stories with no setbacks with 138 units.

-GR2NY-
Mar 3, 2006, 8:30 PM
Its got TWT proportions so naturally I love it. But it'll always be the Trump world towers red headed little brother. ;)

NYguy
Mar 3, 2006, 10:15 PM
I think nearly 600 ft is pretty good for that area...

http://www.cityrealty.com/graphics/uploads/1132264602_skyhouse.gif

Jularc
Mar 8, 2006, 5:02 PM
Rendering of the base:


http://i.pbase.com/o4/55/435155/1/56993645.SkyHouse3.JPG

AtlanticaC5
Mar 8, 2006, 9:42 PM
So it will be located right next to the Madison Belvedere Apartments? Will look quite interesting with two tall residentials pointing up in the Flatiron district :) I think the tower looks quite good, simple and slender. The base looks interesting too. Is that a tiny church at the base?

NYguy
Mar 9, 2006, 12:05 AM
Rendering of the base:


http://i.pbase.com/o4/55/435155/1/56993645.SkyHouse3.JPG


They need to get going on this. I don't like the windowless spine, but overall its a decent tower. Still looks more commercial than residential.

Jularc
Mar 25, 2006, 5:45 AM
Finally some activity!


March 24, 2006:


http://i.pbase.com/o4/55/435155/1/57696531.IMG_8143.jpg

CoolCzech
Mar 25, 2006, 7:26 PM
They did a really excellent job of making the base on that other tower compatible with the more historic architecture of the neighboring building to the left:

http://i.pbase.com/v3/55/435155/1/51768217.IMG_0531.jpg

Busy Bee
Mar 25, 2006, 8:40 PM
Yeah maybe. I just don't understand why such an obvious urban tradition as building to the streetwall is violated so often. If it met flush with the buildings to its' side you wouldn't have to look at their crummy side façades. Is this a zoning thing that actually encourages buildings to be built this way? Seems blatantly counterintuitive.

CGII
Mar 26, 2006, 5:47 AM
Is that a tiny church at the base?
I think it's the 'Little Church Around The Corner.'

NYguy
Mar 26, 2006, 6:36 AM
Its the church in the rendering.

http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.clarett.com/images/flatiron-Tower-Elev.jpg


http://i.pbase.com/o4/55/435155/1/56993645.SkyHouse3.JPG

Spooky873
Mar 26, 2006, 8:18 AM
whats the latest on this bad boy

CGII
Mar 26, 2006, 9:01 PM
Its the church in the rendering.

Yeah, but I think it's the Church of the Transfiguration/Little Church Around the Corner. I think it was nicked that because a different church refused to do a funeral for an actor but told the procession there was a little church around the cornere that would.

Lecom
Mar 26, 2006, 9:33 PM
What's up with the windowless wall facing the church

http://i.pbase.com/o4/55/435155/1/56993645.SkyHouse3.JPG

JACKinBeantown
Jun 19, 2006, 6:54 PM
June 19, 2006: THE CRANE IS UP!

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/JACKinNYC/Skyhouse.jpg

CHAPINM1
Jun 19, 2006, 7:51 PM
Thanks for the picture Jack! This tower seems a lot taller because it's so narrow. Looking of the rendering of it next to the church makes it look at least 750 feet tall.

-GR2NY-
Jun 19, 2006, 8:36 PM
Thanks for the picture Jack! This tower seems a lot taller because it's so narrow. Looking of the rendering of it next to the church makes it look at least 750 feet tall.

Thats the way we like em', same way as my baby, the TWT.

JACKinBeantown
Sep 12, 2006, 7:14 PM
Skyhouse is currently 3 floors of conrete structure. When it gets to about 8 or 10 floors it will start peeking over the buildings between it and me, and I will have a fantastic vantage point (as you can see from the photo above). Then I'll start posting photos.

Scruffy
Sep 12, 2006, 7:46 PM
i am so jealous of your view

NYguy
Sep 12, 2006, 7:49 PM
Skyhouse is currently 3 floors of conrete structure. When it gets to about 8 or 10 floors it will start peeking over the buildings between it and me, and I will have a fantastic vantage point (as you can see from the photo above). Then I'll start posting photos.

Thanks for the update. Been meaning to get there, but been kinda busy.
When it starts rising, you can post the daily updates.

JACKinBeantown
Sep 12, 2006, 9:04 PM
I will do my best. :)

NYguy
Oct 10, 2006, 11:54 PM
Any updates Jack?

JACKinBeantown
Oct 11, 2006, 4:05 AM
I still can't see it from my office. About 10 days ago they were putting up framing for about the fifth floor. I won't be in the office tomorrow, but I'll check soon.

NYguy
Oct 11, 2006, 1:26 PM
I still can't see it from my office. About 10 days ago they were putting up framing for about the fifth floor. I won't be in the office tomorrow, but I'll check soon.

Fifth? I suppose that's high enough to get pics. I'll look into it.

JACKinBeantown
Oct 12, 2006, 9:04 PM
7th floor concrete is poured and framing is up for the 8th floor. Sorry, no pictures. I was walking by. I still can't see it from my office where my camera is.

NYguy
Oct 12, 2006, 9:14 PM
7th floor concrete is poured and framing is up for the 8th floor. Sorry, no pictures. I was walking by. I still can't see it from my office where my camera is.

Good update.

JACKinBeantown
Oct 13, 2006, 2:21 AM
Thanks.

NYguy
Oct 24, 2006, 12:17 PM
Thanks.

By the way, went by the sight a week from last Sunday, and yes the tower is indeed rising. Until my camera is fixed, I won't be taking any photos. Unless I just get another one.

JACKinBeantown
Oct 24, 2006, 4:49 PM
The crane has moved higher but I still can't see construction from my office. I'll post photos as soon as I can though.

Wheelingman04
Oct 25, 2006, 12:56 AM
I think is a pretty lousy design.

rbowk
Oct 25, 2006, 7:13 AM
nice i like it

JACKinBeantown
Nov 1, 2006, 3:43 PM
Nov. 1, 2006 - It's starting to peak up over the neighbors' rooftops.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/JACKinNYC/Skyhouse-1.jpg

NYguy
Nov 4, 2006, 12:11 PM
Thanks. I have my camera back, so I may or may not go over to the site this weekend.

Antares41
Nov 20, 2006, 2:42 AM
Any news on this one? I would think it about 12-15 stories by now. Its such a thin building I would expected to grow like a weed !