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nname
May 18, 2008, 10:28 PM
talking about prices - my friend was/is looking for a flight to Edmonton in june - he found it would be $485 Return!! from YVR to YEG and than he looked it up and From Abbotsford a flight is $253!!! return

I wonder if the price difference is the landing fees etc?

he can pretty much get two tickets for the price of one by flying out of Abbotsford

Probably its on sale..
I just looked up at WestJet website.. and going from YXX is only about $15 cheaper than YVR.

twoNeurons
May 18, 2008, 11:39 PM
Flying out of YXX is so much more relaxing than out of YVR.

mr.x
May 22, 2008, 2:08 AM
Went to YVR today, got to say that new Link Building is quite dark inside even with all the lights turned on. They need more lighting, and should've built more skylights.

As for the Canada Line, great progress. I was on the 424, some young Australian couple in front of me that just got off a flight was remarking at the "airport people mover construction". :D We took the same buses at Airport Station, transfering to southbound 98, then I heard the guy say "wow, those are some short stations".

phesto
Jun 2, 2008, 3:02 PM
CX is going back to 17x weekly (from 3x daily) on the Hong Kong route. This is presumably to cut costs now that Oasis is no longer a threat.

Yume-sama
Jun 5, 2008, 12:14 AM
Man, there are some real crazies out there. I just got home from YVR via YYC, and damn... it was a bit of a scary flight. First, there was some convict being escorted by two police officers, legs shackled and hands cuffed, got to pre-board and sit at the back of the plane. Then, there was this WEIRD guy sitting in front of me who started freaking out twice during the flight and SLAMMING the window... I was like... WTH... it kind of freaked me out. Thank goodness the windows are thick... flying WestJet really makes me miss the executive and first class seats of some US airlines and JAL. Oh and then I saw the new Canada Line trains... actually MOVING! It was kind of exciting :P

MistyMountainHop
Jun 5, 2008, 2:02 AM
Man, there are some real crazies out there. I just got home from YVR via YYC, and damn... it was a bit of a scary flight. First, there was some convict being escorted by two police officers, legs shackled and hands cuffed, got to pre-board and sit at the back of the plane. Then, there was this WEIRD guy sitting in front of me who started freaking out twice during the flight and SLAMMING the window... I was like... WTH... it kind of freaked me out. Thank goodness the windows are thick... flying WestJet really makes me miss the executive and first class seats of some US airlines and JAL. Oh and then I saw the new Canada Line trains... actually MOVING! It was kind of exciting :P

Still beats Air Canada! :tup:

en2
Jun 7, 2008, 5:12 AM
I went to Singapore via. Seoul on Singapore Airlines last May and took these photos of the West Chevron wing of YVR.

It seems that there are very few pictures of the West Chevron wing of the International Terminal at YVR. It opened just last year and extended the number of gates for international flights.

Originally posted at my blog: http://ngaie.blogspot.com/

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff121/mindstorms32/May%201%2008%20YVR-Seoul/IMG_6342.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff121/mindstorms32/May%201%2008%20YVR-Seoul/IMG_6343.jpg

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mr.x
Jun 7, 2008, 5:27 AM
^ thx for the pics?


So all of this is pier C? It looks massive, any renderings?
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff121/mindstorms32/May%201%2008%20YVR-Seoul/IMG_6347.jpg



If there's one thing I don't like about the new link building, it's the lighting....there's not enough of it, it gets quite dark inside.

deasine
Jun 7, 2008, 5:27 AM
Great shots, haven't seen them from a while at YVR. Thanks =)

SpongeG
Jun 7, 2008, 8:50 PM
nice pics

twoNeurons
Jun 7, 2008, 11:02 PM
You didn't get a pic of the Jellyfish Tank?

MistyMountainHop
Jun 8, 2008, 3:00 AM
Did anyone get pics of Iron Maiden's Ed Force One?

en2
Jun 8, 2008, 3:03 AM
^ thx for the pics?


So all of this is pier C? It looks massive, any renderings?



That is all of the expanded Pier C, I don't think they have released any renderings yet, but there may be some on the information boards where I took the pictures of the models

You didn't get a pic of the Jellyfish Tank?

Is it on the other side of the tank, I thought they were the same thing so I didn't.

nname
Jun 8, 2008, 10:49 PM
So all of this is pier C? It looks massive, any renderings?

Actually.. this is what I've figured:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/nname/IMG_6347.jpg

That would be 8 gates for the expansion, minus gates 40, 41, 42 that have been taken off, so that means the expansion would add 5 new gates.

Punkster
Jun 9, 2008, 12:08 AM
Actually.. this is what I've figured:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/nname/IMG_6347.jpg

That would be 8 gates for the expansion, minus gates 40, 41, 42 that have been taken off, so that means the expansion would add 5 new gates.

Are those two massive planes at gates 37/39 supposed to be A380's?

mr.x
Jun 9, 2008, 12:29 AM
^ i don't think there are plans for the domestic terminal to have A380 capability, there's no demand for that.

However, the Chevron expansion of the international wing has A380 capability:
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff121/mindstorms32/May%201%2008%20YVR-Seoul/IMG_6352.jpg

Punkster
Jun 9, 2008, 12:32 AM
ohhhhhh I thought that was int'l. I didn't realize they were expanding the domestic part, despite the sign in the picture ;)

muzhav84
Jun 9, 2008, 7:07 AM
nname, you got it exactly right, that is the correct configuration. C37 and C39 can handle widebodies, not A380 tho; they usually take the 767 and A330 widebodies, and used to take the 747 domestic flights back when AC still had them. im sure the 777 can use those gates too, but as of right now the 777 to Toronto uses "swing gates" C/D 50, 51, or 52, as the flight arrives international from Sydney (pax get off to clear customs) and then departs as a domestic flight to toronto.

as for the domestic expansion, it looks good, it is going to add a food court and shopping options, which are ver lacking from the current C-pier.

excel
Jun 9, 2008, 7:29 AM
thanks for posting the models.

Yume-sama
Jun 9, 2008, 8:19 AM
When are the expansions aiming to be complete?

LeftCoaster
Jun 9, 2008, 4:52 PM
^ Domestic terminal expansion should be done late 2009 apparently.

Another major project is also just getting underway, being the "Link2" project at about 35 million. The white crane erected last month can be clearly seen in the middle of the airport. It had to be lowered due to visual restrictions to the flight control tower, which moved the construction schedule back by a week or so but everything is back on track now.


If there's one thing I don't like about the new link building, it's the lighting....there's not enough of it, it gets quite dark inside.

Thats becuase it is not officially operational yet, once the addition has been fully completed it will be much better lit.

mr.x
Jun 9, 2008, 5:34 PM
what's Link 2 again? is it the office space behind the building?

northwest2k
Jun 13, 2008, 7:57 PM
New warehouse is under construction right next to the Purolator warehouse.

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deasine
Jun 13, 2008, 8:53 PM
Wow northwest2k - you actually contributed something to a forum this time...

northwest2k
Jun 13, 2008, 10:14 PM
Wow northwest2k - you actually contributed something to a forum this time...

When have I not contributed? :shrug:

deasine
Jun 13, 2008, 10:23 PM
When have I not contributed? :shrug:

Pardon me... something valuable. Hopefully you learned a lesson from SSC.

twoNeurons
Jun 13, 2008, 10:52 PM
These are different forums, deasine. There are many here who don't post or regularly read ssc. Please keep it constructive.

deasine
Jun 14, 2008, 12:15 AM
These are different forums, deasine. There are many here who don't post or regularly read ssc. Please keep it constructive.

I'm sorry I should've just PMed him instead. But then I do want to send a clear message to nw2k.

Sorry... carry on =)

hollywoodnorth
Jun 14, 2008, 12:21 AM
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ravman
Jun 14, 2008, 7:22 AM
i cant wait for mine :P

hollywoodnorth
Jun 14, 2008, 8:20 AM
i cant wait for mine :P

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ravman
Jun 14, 2008, 7:54 PM
i rather shoot my self and die than do that...

Canadian Mind
Jun 14, 2008, 7:57 PM
XD nice.

whats wrong with the BC liberals?

ravman
Jun 14, 2008, 8:07 PM
long story short... look at BC and you will see what is wrong with the BC liberals... but that is something i want to not talk about in detail on this tread as it is off topic

Canadian Mind
Jun 14, 2008, 9:58 PM
they've done alot of good and alot of bad IMO, just like every government.

ravman
Jun 15, 2008, 12:28 AM
lol i guess you can say that...

SFUVancouver
Jun 15, 2008, 6:39 AM
Guys...

SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > British Columbia > SSP:Local Vancouver > Politics (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/forumdisplay.php?f=168)

deasine
Jun 15, 2008, 6:50 AM
Thanks for stealing my job SFUVancouver =P XD XD XD

phesto
Jun 17, 2008, 4:13 PM
Air Canada to cut 2,000 jobs

http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/c28b49cb-824e-4590-8065-1f6a14db8c91/aircanada0617.jpg?size=l

Fewer flight routes
Canwest News Service
Published: Tuesday, June 17, 2008

MONTREAL - Record high fuel prices have prompted Air Canada to trim its flight schedules and cut up to 2,000 jobs, the airline announced Tuesday.

"I regret having to take these actions but they are necessary to remain competitive going forward," Montie Brewer, Air Canada's president and chief operating officer, said in a news release. "Air Canada, like most global airlines, needs to adapt its business and reduce flying that has become unprofitable in the current fuel environment."

The airline plans to reduce total system capacity by seven per cent in the fourth quarter of 2008 and the first quarter of 2009, in relation to to the same period a year earlier. Brewer warned that if fuel prices remain at current levels, there will be further reductions in its operations.

Air Canada plans to reduce total system capacity by seven per cent in the fourth quarter of 2008 and the first quarter of 2009, said CEO Montie Brewer.
Ted Rhodes/Calgary Herald

The company says a revised fall/winter travel schedule will be available shortly.

Air Canada says every $1 increase in the price of oil per barrel adds an estimated $26 million to the company's annual fuel costs. Fuel is the carrier's single largest expense item, accounting for more than 30 per cent of total operating costs, estimated to reach close to $1 billion more in 2008 than in 2007.

"The loss of jobs is painful in view of our employees' hard work in bringing the airline back to profitability over the past four years," Brewer said.

According to the company's website, Air Canada is the 14th-largest commercial airline in the world, with approximately 23,900 full-time employees.

Last month, high fuel prices prompted the carrier to announce a fuel surcharge for most flights and create a base fee for flights to the United States.

The airline said it was imposing fuel surcharges of $20, $40 and $60 on travellers for domestic and trans-border flights, depending on the distance.

Travellers now pay $30 for medium-distance flight and $45 for long-distance flights within Canada, while a flat-rate fee of $40 attached to all flights to the U.S.

The surcharge for short flights remains the same.

twoNeurons
Jun 17, 2008, 10:43 PM
Among flights being cancelled are YVR - KIX (Osaka) :hell:

Hopefully some of these will be reinstated when they get their 787s.

phesto
Jun 18, 2008, 2:20 AM
Among flights being cancelled are YVR - KIX (Osaka) :hell:

Hopefully some of these will be reinstated when they get their 787s.

I hope so. I think the good news for YVR is that aside from maybe a couple of route cuts, it will get through this unscathed. I haven't seen the schedule changes but AC suggested that the majority of flight cuts will be on transborder (13%) and on int'l destinations ex-YYZ, while domestic will only get cut 2%.

Rusty Gull
Jun 18, 2008, 4:45 AM
^It's quite sad, really, that Canada has only... what... two flights daily to the world's second largest economy?

Doesn't the end of the Osaka-Vancouver route undermine the Asia Pacific Gateway strategy?

Hourglass
Jun 18, 2008, 8:01 AM
^It's quite sad, really, that Canada has only... what... two flights daily to the world's second largest economy?

Doesn't the end of the Osaka-Vancouver route undermine the Asia Pacific Gateway strategy?

Well, a more liberal open skies policy would help. SQ has been wanting to increase their flights to YVR for ages, but has been limited. I'm sure they'd love to do a SIN-KIX-YVR routing.

The so-called "Blue Skies" policy by the federal government has been a joke -- and certainly not beneficial to Vancouver. Does anyone really care whether one has an open skies agreement with, for example, Iceland?

twoNeurons
Jun 18, 2008, 5:53 PM
^It's quite sad, really, that Canada has only... what... two flights daily to the world's second largest economy?

Doesn't the end of the Osaka-Vancouver route undermine the Asia Pacific Gateway strategy?

An even bigger shame is that it's the ONLY direct flight from any carrier. I know that KIX is expensive to land at, but still.

At least this opens the door to other carriers.

Yume-sama
Jun 18, 2008, 6:40 PM
It really is not very hard to get to Osaka from Narita, Tokyo. It would be more convenient, yes, but I can see why they would cut it when it is so accessible by either air or train once you land in Tokyo. Air Canada is still once daily to Tokyo, while JAL alternates between once and twice daily every few days. There is also twice daily direct service from Toronto - Tokyo with AC (and of course since it is Toronto, they get the new interior). Air Canada is obviously in big troubles with the announcement of them cutting 2000 jobs and 15% or so of their total flights. If we are lucky maybe JAL will add another plane from Vancouver - Osaka on the days when they do not go twice daily to Tokyo. Of course, there would probably not be a need for a 747 to go from Vancouver - Osaka, so they could use one of their new super nice 777s or one of their 35 new 787s once they arrive!

twoNeurons
Jun 18, 2008, 9:02 PM
True... but there's a significant layover unless you want to travel between Narita and Haneda in Tokyo.

Most of the connections are between the two city airports, Haneda (Tokyo) and Itami (Osaka City). This makes sense for the Japanese, as they're more convenient airports... sucks for international flights who want to transfer to a domestic flight, as the airports are two hours apart.

In addition, there's no Shinkansen to Narita, so you'd have to transfer in Tokyo if you wanted to take the train... though I think they're upgrading the rails to Standard gauge so maybe that will be an option in the future for through trains.

Sidepoint: Air Canada doesn't have any 747s anymore, as far as I know. I think the YVR-KIX flight is well-used though, and there are lots of flights that go to Western Japan from Osaka.

Anyway, transfers suck no matter which way you slice it. It's one of the reason I'm really looking forward to the 787 more than the A380. More point-to-point travel.

Okay, I'll just stop whining.

twoNeurons
Jun 18, 2008, 9:50 PM
<<double post>>

Yume-sama
Jun 18, 2008, 10:03 PM
Hmm, yes between ANA and JAL there are only 5 flights per day out of Narita to Osaka, while Haneda has 48 between both airlines. The quickest way to Haneda is by taking the Limousine Bus from Narita to Haneda (a bus leaves every 20 minutes during the day from Narita to Haneda) via expressway, and it will get you there in 1 hour and 17 minutes. The limousine bus is actually faster than the current Narita Express train in to Tokyo, however, they are re-doing the line to make it more straight forward and it should save about 7 minutes :P.

http://www.google.co.jp/maps?f=d&hl=ja&geocode=&saddr=%E6%88%90%E7%94%B0%E7%A9%BA%E6%B8%AF&daddr=%E7%BE%BD%E7%94%B0%E7%A9%BA%E6%B8%AF&date=08%2F06%2F19&time=7:00&ttype=dep&noexp=0&noal=0&sort=time&sll=35.661202,140.085983&sspn=0.476989,0.937958&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=11&start=0

en2
Jun 19, 2008, 4:44 AM
I think YVR has been getting the shaft from Air Canada ever since they bought Canadian Airlines.

I think the original plan of the International Terminal Building was for it to become a hub for Asia-Pacific traffic for Canadian Airlines where American Airlines (their then codeshare partner) would funnel in flights from all over the U.S. to board CP flights to Asia (because American Airlines only had one route to Asia and that was Tokyo).

Canadian Airlines used to fly to Tokyo, Nagoya, Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Bangkok, Taipei, Manila and maybe Kuala Lumpur (although I think it was a code-share from Taipei with Malaysia Airlines)

Air Canada's original Asia-Pacific routes were Seoul, Osaka, and Taipei and now all thats left is Seoul.

Now with the "new" Air Canada, they only fly to Beijing, Shanghai, Seoul, Tokyo, Hong Kong and with all OLD aircraft too!

The good thing is....less crappy Air Canada = more opportunities for Asian airlines at YVR.

SpongeG
Jun 19, 2008, 6:06 AM
i would feel sorry for asians having only once choice of flying air canada to come to Canada to visit business whatever

they have more advanced subway cars hel their cell phones are more advanced than what air canada can offer

northwest2k
Jun 19, 2008, 6:28 AM
I think YVR has been getting the shaft from Air Canada ever since they bought Canadian Airlines.

I think the original plan of the International Terminal Building was for it to become a hub for Asia-Pacific traffic for Canadian Airlines where American Airlines (their then codeshare partner) would funnel in flights from all over the U.S. to board CP flights to Asia (because American Airlines only had one route to Asia and that was Tokyo).

Canadian Airlines used to fly to Tokyo, Nagoya, Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Bangkok, Taipei, Manila and maybe Kuala Lumpur (although I think it was a code-share from Taipei with Malaysia Airlines)

Air Canada's original Asia-Pacific routes were Seoul, Osaka, and Taipei and now all thats left is Seoul.

Now with the "new" Air Canada, they only fly to Beijing, Shanghai, Seoul, Tokyo, Hong Kong and with all OLD aircraft too!

The good thing is....less crappy Air Canada = more opportunities for Asian airlines at YVR.

How is that a good thing??? Thats a bad thing you fool. The reason Air Canada isn't flying brand new air crafts from Vancouver to those destinations is because they can't afford it. YVR has been getting the shaft from Air Canada?? More like the other way around. YVR has been letting all these asian airlines move in on Air Canada's territory, taking away all their business. It's shameful. All the YVR cares about is money. Air Canada could go bankrupt for all they care. As long as they have Cathay Pacific, China Airlines, EVA Air, China Eastern, etc. they're happy

muzhav84
Jun 19, 2008, 7:24 AM
YVR has no duty to protect Air Canada! They are a private airport authority, and will want to attract any airlines they can. Air Canada is totally focused on Toronto, they don't care about growing Vancouver... As an employee of an airline at YVR, I can tell you the airport authority already accomodates Air Canada with prime gate space, lets them do whatever they want, uses tons of resources in helping Air Canada smoothly transfer pax between terminals, etc... And YVR charges some of the lowest landing fees of any major airport, there is no validity at all to the statement "More like the other way around. YVR has been letting all these asian airlines move in on Air Canada's territory" YVR cannot block other airlines just to protect AC, they aren't related companies.

Air Canada majorly screws Vancouver pax with the old planes, lousy direct flights to most US destinations (especially east coast), and forcing people to connect through toronto. And it is Toronto who screws Air Canada, with massive landing fees and tons of red tape. anyways... sorry about the rant, i just want to make clear that airport authorities have no allegiance to any airline, they are businesses trying to run a facility. if that means attracting EVA, Cathay, Singapore, etc.. then they have every reason to do it

Hourglass
Jun 19, 2008, 9:32 AM
How is that a good thing??? Thats a bad thing you fool. The reason Air Canada isn't flying brand new air crafts from Vancouver to those destinations is because they can't afford it. YVR has been getting the shaft from Air Canada?? More like the other way around. YVR has been letting all these asian airlines move in on Air Canada's territory, taking away all their business. It's shameful. All the YVR cares about is money. Air Canada could go bankrupt for all they care. As long as they have Cathay Pacific, China Airlines, EVA Air, China Eastern, etc. they're happy

YVR can't just "let" any airline move in. There needs to be a negotiated bilateral agreement with that country by the Federal Government. YVR's business is to serve the flying public, and therefore it's in their interest as well as the paying passenger's best interest to attract as many airlines and air service as possible.

YVR HAS been shafted, both by the government and by Air Canada. For example, Air France wanted to start non-stop service to YVR from Paris (which Air Canada doesn't serve non-stop from Vancouver, incidentally). No go due to the restrictive bilateral agreement between Canada and France (only YYZ and YUL). So now Seattle gets the benefit of nonstop service to Paris instead, along with the ancillary revenues from catering, servicing, landing fees, etc.

Singapore Airlines has been wanting to increase frequency for years. Philippine Airlines wants to increase frequency to YVR. But they've can't -- partly because of Air Canada. Yet Air Canada serves neither Singapore nor Manila (and has no immediate intention to).

How is this situation good for you as a traveler?

eduardo88
Jun 19, 2008, 4:39 PM
deleted post....wrong thread...oops!

SpongeG
Jun 24, 2008, 10:31 PM
Update: Unidentified powder found on Air Canada Jazz plane

RICHMOND (NEWS1130) - An Air Canada Jazz plane has been cleared by environmental crews after a level two hazmat scare this morning at YVR.

Air Canada employees discovered a yellow powder in the cargo hold, but after towing the aircraft from the main terminal to a parking area, the substance was deemed non-toxic.

YVR says the incident didn't cause any delays.

http://www.news1130.com/news/topstory/article.jsp?content=20080624_122632_6796

excel
Jun 27, 2008, 8:30 AM
With the arrival of summer comes the first non-stop transatlantic flight from Vancouver to Paris on Air Transat. Following a comfortable overnight flight, you and your inner romantic can be sitting in a café on the banks of the Seine with tunes of Edith Piaf playing in the distance.

Launched May 29, this new weekly service will connect YVR to Charles de Gaulle Airport on a 9.5-hour flight. The new service will run through October 3, 2008.

Flight TS 708 departs Vancouver on Sunday at 11:50 p.m. and arrives in Paris on Monday at 6:25 p.m. Vancouver-bound flight TS 709 departs Paris on Monday at 8:25 p.m. and arrives at YVR later that evening at 9:40 p.m.

Passengers will take to the skies in an Airbus A330-200. With the recent two-inch upgrade to legroom for all 342 economy seats onboard, passengers can now enjoy an enhanced experience with Air Transat's best-in-class service, meals and in-flight entertainment.

Air Transat also offers a Vancouver-to-Paris flight with a stopover in Calgary. TS 408 departs Thursdays from YVR at 5:20 p.m. and arrives via Calgary at Charles de Gaulle Airport at 1:55 p.m. the next day. Vancouver-bound TS 409 leaves Paris on Fridays at 3:40 p.m. and arrives at YVR later that day, via Calgary, at 7:10 p.m.

twoNeurons
Jun 27, 2008, 3:36 PM
Update: Unidentified powder found on Air Canada Jazz plane

RICHMOND (NEWS1130) - An Air Canada Jazz plane has been cleared by environmental crews after a level two hazmat scare this morning at YVR.

Air Canada employees discovered a yellow powder in the cargo hold, but after towing the aircraft from the main terminal to a parking area, the substance was deemed non-toxic.

YVR says the incident didn't cause any delays.

http://www.news1130.com/news/topstory/article.jsp?content=20080624_122632_6796
I bet it was shipment of baby powder. That stuff gets everywhere. :D

SpongeG
Jun 27, 2008, 7:43 PM
i was at the airport on thursday - the skytrain cross walk link thing is fully up now - not completed but it goes all the way now

phesto
Jun 30, 2008, 6:55 PM
More details on AC's cuts - note that the Sacramento route has been cut in addition to Osaka.

Comox losing AC service to YYC is a shame...

Air Canada trims flight schedule

Canwest News Service
Published: Monday, June 30, 2008

MONTREAL - Air Canada has said it's cancelling 10 routes and suspending three other flights this winter as part of a seven per cent reduction in capacity to save on fuel costs.

Air Canada flights from Hamilton to Montreal and Ottawa are cancelled effective July 31, to save the carrier money on less profitable routes, amid soaring jet fuel prices. Air Canada's Montreal-to-San Francisco line is one of three seasonal flights suspended effective Oct. 26, the carrier said on its website. Earlier this month, Air Canada announced a seven per cent reduction in system-wide capacity to reduce costs, including a 13 per cent drop in trans-border capacity to the lacklustre U.S. market.

"Our preference is to reduce frequencies, down-gauge aircraft and maintain the breadth of our network via alternate routings if necessary," the carrier said on its website.

Air Canada has also said it plans to reduce its workforce of 28,000 by 2,000 positions, including 500 flight attendants. The cancelled routes include:

. Calgary-Prince George, B.C.: last date of operation is June 2

. Hamilton-Montreal: last date of operation is July 31

. Hamilton-Ottawa: last date of operation is July 31

. Toronto-Port of Spain, Trinidad: last southbound flight Aug 31; last northbound flight Aug. 31

. Montreal-Deer Lake, N.L.: last date of operation is Sept 1

. Calgary-Comox, B.C.: last date of operation is Sept. 2.

. Vancouver-Osaka, Japan: last westbound flight is Oct. 24; last eastbound flight is Oct 25.

. Vancouver-Sacramento, Calif.: last date of operation is Oct. 25.

. Calgary-Palm Springs, Calif.: winter seasonal route will not operate this year

. Ottawa-Orlando, Fla.: winter seasonal route will not operate this year

Seasonal routes to be suspended effective Oct. 26 include:

. Toronto-Kelowna, B.C.

. Montreal-San Francisco

. Toronto-Rome

Rusty Gull
Jun 30, 2008, 9:21 PM
Of all the closings, including Montreal-SF and Toronto-Rome, the closure of the Vancouver-Osaka route is the most economically significant. Very bad news indeed.

en2
Jun 30, 2008, 10:51 PM
Of all the closings, including Montreal-SF and Toronto-Rome, the closure of the Vancouver-Osaka route is the most economically significant. Very bad news indeed.

Lets hope that ANA can fly the route using their own equipment as the codeshare with AC on this route is going to end in October.

mr.x
Jul 3, 2008, 6:58 AM
WestJet and Air Canada engaged in game of 'airfare chicken'
$19 fares from Toronto to Montreal and $59 Vancouver to Calgary top new price lists

Bruce Constantineau, Vancouver Sun
Published: Thursday, July 03, 2008

AIRLINES - Canadians can expect more airline seat sales this year after WestJet and Air Canada served up $19 Toronto-to-Montreal and $59 Vancouver-to-Calgary fares Wednesday.

Airline industry analyst Rick Erickson said those are the sharpest domestic discounts the industry has seen in two years and expects there's more to come.

"What we can take from this is that demand is off and high prices and fuel surcharges are a big part of that," he said in an interview.

"Carriers' forward bookings can't be that strong, otherwise they wouldn't be doing this."

WestJet's regular price for a Vancouver-to-Calgary flight in early August was $195 on Wednesday.

Erickson noted the monthly load factor - the percentage of seats that are filled in a plane - at WestJet fell from 86.6 per cent in March to 79.5 per cent in May, still a healthy figure but the decline is a worrying trend.

"A drop of six or seven per cent doesn't sound like much, but that's a lot when you consider almost all of that [lost] traffic is absolute gravy to the carrier that goes straight to the bottom line," he said.

WestJet fired the first seat-sale shot Wednesday, offering $19 fares for flights between Toronto and Montreal and between Toronto and Ottawa. The airline also announced a $59 fare for flights between Calgary or Edmonton and Vancouver or Abbotsford.

Flights must be booked by today for travel until Sept. 30, and the number of seats at the discounted fare is limited.

The one-way fare price does not include taxes, fees and surcharges, so the $59 Vancouver-to-Calgary fare works out to $133.

Air Canada quickly matched the WestJet prices.

"We aim to be price competitive in all markets we serve and we are responding with competitive fares on select flights," Air Canada representative Angela Mah said in an interview. "The airline business is very competitive and we have always said we will offer competitive low-fare options."

WestJet representative Richard Bartram said the airline is pleased with its recent load factors and is adding capacity into the market.

"A few times a year, we will have a significant discount into the market to help stimulate travel for a particular time and that's what we're doing here," he said in an interview.

Bartram said seat sales will continue as the airline tries to strike a balance between profitability and stimulating demand by allowing people to travel at reasonable rates.

He said WestJet remains very concerned about the negative impact of high fuel surcharges.

"We're confident people will continue to travel but we know they will look for that low-fare leader or that cost advantage when they book their seats and I think that bodes well for WestJet," Bartram said.

While Air Canada recently cancelled several domestic and international routes to cut costs, Erickson noted WestJet recently announced the addition of new routes, including Calgary to Kamloops.

"It's also continuing its strategy of adding sunspot destinations and I don't see that being as badly hurt this winter," he said. "The strong Canadian dollar means we can still get reasonable value on a trip to the Caribbean or Latin America."

The Air Canada cutbacks are expected to slash up to 2,000 jobs across Canada. Mah said the airline is discussing "mitigation options" with unions. Details of the job cuts are still not available.

The Air Canada route cancellations and suspensions include Calgary-Prince George, Calgary-Comox, Vancouver-Sacramento, Vancouver-Osaka and Toronto-Kelowna.

bconstantineau@png.canwest.com






As long as they don't go bankrupt like the long list of Canadian airlines before them......

Hot Rod
Jul 4, 2008, 10:08 AM
I do hope somebody picks up the Osaka-Vancouver route.

Definitely the biggest economic blow of the announced cuts.

I hope JAL or ANA or even SIN picks it up. We have lots of flights to Seoul, why not make the SIN flight to Singapore route through Osaka-Kansai? I think this would be a natural choice AND either ANA or JAL doing at least a 767 ER run. Maybe an Indian Airline could do it too?

I hope we dont have to wait until the 787 before we get Osaka back. Come on JAL/ANA/SIN!!

eemy
Jul 4, 2008, 11:33 AM
YVR can't just "let" any airline move in. There needs to be a negotiated bilateral agreement with that country by the Federal Government. YVR's business is to serve the flying public, and therefore it's in their interest as well as the paying passenger's best interest to attract as many airlines and air service as possible.

YVR HAS been shafted, both by the government and by Air Canada. For example, Air France wanted to start non-stop service to YVR from Paris (which Air Canada doesn't serve non-stop from Vancouver, incidentally). No go due to the restrictive bilateral agreement between Canada and France (only YYZ and YUL). So now Seattle gets the benefit of nonstop service to Paris instead, along with the ancillary revenues from catering, servicing, landing fees, etc.

Singapore Airlines has been wanting to increase frequency for years. Philippine Airlines wants to increase frequency to YVR. But they've can't -- partly because of Air Canada. Yet Air Canada serves neither Singapore nor Manila (and has no immediate intention to).

How is this situation good for you as a traveler?

The issue with Singapore Airlines is that SQ isn't interested in carrying travelers between SIN and YVR, they're interested in carrying traffic between YVR and other airports as it now does with ICN. SIN itself has quite low O&D numbers from YVR and all of Canada and so the government feels that those numbers don't justify more service on YVR-SIN than that which is already there.

AC isn't around to prop up a single airport and serve it with vanity routes. It is in a highly competitive business and is competing not just against the likes of WS, but also the other North American markets. It always astounds me how bitter so many Vancouverites are toward AC considering the level of service they actually have from the airline, but also in general. The days of CP are over, and even if they were still a separate entity, it is very dubious that YVR would still sustain service to airport like NGO, or KIX. These airports have struggled to maintain service to almost every North American market that they've seen service to and are obvious cuts for any airline.

phesto
Jul 4, 2008, 7:25 PM
Air Canada slashes Vancouver-to- Beijing/Shanghai service

Vancouver Sun
Published: Friday, July 04, 2008

VANCOUVER - Air Canada has slashed its Vancouver-to-Beijing/Shanghai service from 14 times a week to seven times a week as the airline cuts costs in response to record fuel prices.

The airline announced Friday that effective Oct. 26, it will fly from Vancouver to Beijing three times a week and from Vancouver to Shanghai four times a week. It currently offers a daily service to both Chinese cities.

Air Canada announced last month it would cut its system capacity by seven per cent and reduce staffing levels by up to 2,000 to become more efficient as fuel costs skyrocket. Previously announced route cancellations and suspensions include Vancouver-Osaka, Vancouver-Sacramento, Calgary-Prince George, Calgary-Comox and Toronto-Kelowna.

We prefer to maintain the integrity of the network by opting for reduced flight frequencies, rather than cancellations, and that's what we have done here by keeping a daily non-stop service between Vancouver and China," Air Canada representative Angela Mah said in an interview.

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While frequency cuts might not seem as bad as cancelled routes, this one looks pretty bad, especially considering the timing with the upcoming Summer Olympics in Beijing. Even though after the games, we're trying to promote BC over there, while AC is cutting service? Lol, such a joke.

These recent cuts really call into question the future of AC's strategy with YVR as its Asia-Pacific Gateway. I'm guessing Guangzhou isn't even on AC's radar anymore. I'd like to see how both AC and YVR try to spin this...

mezzanine
Jul 4, 2008, 7:33 PM
AC isn't around to prop up a single airport and serve it with vanity routes. It is in a highly competitive business and is competing not just against the likes of WS, but also the other North American markets. It always astounds me how bitter so many Vancouverites are toward AC considering the level of service they actually have from the airline, but also in general. The days of CP are over, and even if they were still a separate entity, it is very dubious that YVR would still sustain service to airport like NGO, or KIX.

The flip side, though, is that many YVR boosters feel that we are still hindered by limits in the open skies agreement the feds make for us. I do not know all the details, and I can't find a handy link, but the fact that SEA was able to get a direct flight to CDG and not YVR still makes me sore...

It would be interesting to see what the federal process is like with trying to get flights to YVR, esp from European destinations...

WarrenC12
Jul 4, 2008, 7:37 PM
While frequency cuts might not seem as bad as cancelled routes, this one looks pretty bad, especially considering the timing with the upcoming Summer Olympics in Beijing. Even though after the games, we're trying to promote BC over there, while AC is cutting service? Lol, such a joke.

I think keeping money losing routes and then turning to the federal government to bail them out (AGAIN :yuck: ) would be far worse. Air Canada is a business, not a Canadian PR company. :sly:

phesto
Jul 4, 2008, 7:43 PM
AC isn't around to prop up a single airport and serve it with vanity routes. It is in a highly competitive business and is competing not just against the likes of WS, but also the other North American markets. It always astounds me how bitter so many Vancouverites are toward AC considering the level of service they actually have from the airline, but also in general. The days of CP are over, and even if they were still a separate entity, it is very dubious that YVR would still sustain service to airport like NGO, or KIX. These airports have struggled to maintain service to almost every North American market that they've seen service to and are obvious cuts for any airline.

I definitely see your point regarding AC, especially amid the current crisis of rising airline fuel costs it is unrealistic to expect AC to provide any level of service beyond what makes economic sense, and they don’t have to favour any specific airports when considering changes/cuts to service. However, you have to appreciate that this is an airline that has repeatedly suggested that they want to develop YVR as their gateway to Asia, while more recent developments suggest they can’t even maintain their current level of service. I suppose it is just the reality of the current airline industry, but it is a sad prospect for both YVR and AC in the short term.

I think keeping money losing routes and then turning to the federal government to bail them out (AGAIN :yuck: ) would be far worse. Air Canada is a business, not a Canadian PR company. :sly:

I would never advocate any form of protectionism, and I fully realize why AC is making the cuts. I'm merely pointing out the discrepency between AC/YVR's vision and the current state of affairs in the airline industry, and how it is subsequently sort of amusing to be promoting our province and trying to stimulate Chinese-Cdn economic interaction over there while airline service is being downgraded.

mr.x
Jul 4, 2008, 8:29 PM
At this rate, with all these route cuts, Air Canada wouldn't even exist in 10 years!

MistyMountainHop
Jul 4, 2008, 9:30 PM
At this rate, with all these route cuts, Air Canada wouldn't even exist in 10 years!

Woohoo! :cheers:

eemy
Jul 4, 2008, 10:34 PM
The flip side, though, is that many YVR boosters feel that we are still hindered by limits in the open skies agreement the feds make for us. I do not know all the details, and I can't find a handy link, but the fact that SEA was able to get a direct flight to CDG and not YVR still makes me sore...

It would be interesting to see what the federal process is like with trying to get flights to YVR, esp from European destinations...

From what I understand, the bilateral relationship with France is as much an issue with the French government restricting access to other markets in France as it is an issue with the Canadian government. I suppose that doesn't have to stop the Canadian government from opening up access to AF, but they tend to avoid giving out rights without receiving them in return. In any case, the government is apparently working on a liberal bilateral agreement with the EU which would hopefully eliminate some of these ridiculous restrictions.

deasine
Jul 4, 2008, 11:59 PM
It's funny I just heard from an Air Canada staff after five years can fly free as long as they work at Air Canada. I can't imagine what other good benefits are there.... makes me wonder why they aren't slashing staff benefits before cutting flights -_-"

LeftCoaster
Jul 5, 2008, 2:49 AM
One word my friend: unions

northwest2k
Jul 5, 2008, 3:18 AM
Woohoo! :cheers:

You want to see us lose our only national airline?? Where is your Canadian pride?

muzhav84
Jul 5, 2008, 3:53 AM
ill be interested to see if they cut back on toronto's asia service, (they currently have the same service (7X weekly, split between beijing and shanghai) that they are proposing for vancouver. but they use 777 aircraft. i could see them diverting a lot of YVRs traffic to toronto, AC loves doing that..

en2
Jul 5, 2008, 4:15 AM
Has anyone been on AC long haul recently. Their service and food really cannot match other Asian airlines flying the same routes and in some cases, their fares are even more expensive than the Asian carriers on some routes.

I think people who go to Asia frequently try to avoid AC as much as possible...

mr.x
Jul 5, 2008, 4:22 AM
Has anyone been on AC long haul recently. Their service and food really cannot match other Asian airlines flying the same routes and in some cases, their fares are even more expensive than the Asian carriers on some routes.

I think people who go to Asia frequently try to avoid AC as much as possible...

I haven't been on Air Canada for a very long time to a point i can't even remember what it was like....describe your experience, how is the food like?

I usually fly Japan Airlines on my way to Asia, all except one time during spring break when i flew Cathay. I've gotta say that JAL is awesome - great food, great service, and abundant washrooms. I hated Cathay - the food wasn't great and the washrooms were absolutely disgusting (long lineups too because there were like 2 washrooms for 100 people).

deasine
Jul 5, 2008, 4:25 AM
Wow... Cathay isn't any bad compared to Air Canada. JAL is just top of the class though. Oasis back then wasn't too bad too, but now they are gone =(

The_Henry_Man
Jul 5, 2008, 5:20 AM
It's funny I just heard from an Air Canada staff after five years can fly free as long as they work at Air Canada. I can't imagine what other good benefits are there.... makes me wonder why they aren't slashing staff benefits before cutting flights -_-"

One word my friend: unions

My dad works at Cathay Pacific, and he gets free air tickets once a year, and it's never unionized. I don't think cutting this type of benefit would save that much money. There's tons of conditions with getting free air tickets. First, as I just said, he only gets it once a year, and also, those tickets are on standby, meaning that only once all full-fare ticket holders have boarded the plane, are the people on standby tickets be allowed to board (but usually my dad is allowed to board few days in advance once he knows that there's guarantee of extra seats). I used to get free air tickets too but since I'm past my age (max age is I think 19 for Cathay for free air tickets for children of staff working there), but I have to get tickets 90% off now.

Hong Kongese
Jul 5, 2008, 5:52 AM
JAL is the #1 airline in the world, no question about that! Their service, food and comfort are all top notches. The stewardess are also very friendly,helpful and always have a smile on their faces. They are all pretty cute as well.:D

I am going to Hawaii later this month with Air Canada and I will find out how their service will be like!

MistyMountainHop
Jul 5, 2008, 10:15 AM
You want to see us lose our only national airline?? Where is your Canadian pride?

I think WestJet is better-suited for that position. :)

I wish that Air Canada hadn't bought out Canadian Airlines back in the day. They were way better.

Yume-sama
Jul 5, 2008, 2:41 PM
You want to see us lose our only national airline?? Where is your Canadian pride?

:rolleyes: That is one of the most asinine things I have seen said on here.

SpongeG
Jul 5, 2008, 8:03 PM
i looked into the seat sale and its not that cheap

its $99 each way to Edmonton from YVR and when all taxes, surcharges fees etc are added in it worked out to $350 return

not that great

phesto
Jul 5, 2008, 8:16 PM
i looked into the seat sale and its not that cheap

its $99 each way to Edmonton from YVR and when all taxes, surcharges fees etc are added in it worked out to $350 return

not that great

You must have been a bit late. Up until a couple of days ago, both AC and WS were offering YVR-YEG return for $59 each way (about $260 all included).

en2
Jul 5, 2008, 10:10 PM
I haven't been on Air Canada for a very long time to a point i can't even remember what it was like....describe your experience, how is the food like?

I usually fly Japan Airlines on my way to Asia, all except one time during spring break when i flew Cathay. I've gotta say that JAL is awesome - great food, great service, and abundant washrooms. I hated Cathay - the food wasn't great and the washrooms were absolutely disgusting (long lineups too because there were like 2 washrooms for 100 people).

I flew in May from Seoul to Vancouver. Originally departed from Singapore to Seoul via Singapore Airlines.

Compared to Singapore Airlines, its like night and day.

During the flight I pressed the attendant button, no one came, initially I thought that maybe the lamp was broken, so I pressed it a couple more times, again, no one came....

After the flight I talked to my mom who was sitting in a different seat and she also pressed the attendant button and no FA came. Seems on Air Canada, they don't respond to passenger requests.

Once their work "was done" (i.e. meal service), they would sit on the seats reading their own magazines and I saw one of them sleeping on the last row. One has to physically walk to the back to ask for water etc.

Regarding the meals, they try to nickel and dime you as much as possible. Small portions, bad food and *everything* is served in disposable plastic bowls, cups including the utensils. If anyone usually flies with JAL or any other Asian carrier, this is usually pretty shocking and unusual...

Also the service of the food and recovery of the trays was so slow that most of the passengers got really annoyed and just starting bringing their own trays back into the kitchen.....

The flight was about 90% Korean and I think they were quite annoyed and pissed at the service.

Also at the beginning of the flight, there is no drink service with peanuts or anything. You had to wait until meal service to even get a drink.

I was on the retrofitted 767s with the touch screen IFE, and they didn't turn it on until after meal service. On Singapore Airlines, the IFE is usable from the time you board the aircraft and usable during takeoff!

IFE was not bad, but its touch screen based, so that means you had to stick out your arm a lot if you like "surfing" the system. Also there was a menu for games but it seems that it isn't implemented.

I notice that for a majority of routes that AC flies to Asian destinations, most of the aircraft (e.g. A340) that they use do NOT have the IFE.

Also the FA's attitude towards the passengers once was of indifference, they didn't seem happy to do their jobs and just wanted to "get it over with".

I forgot to mention the washrooms. When the washrooms were running out of paper, the FAs just got some paper towels and just stacked it on the counter of the washroom. They didn't even bother putting it into the paper holder.

With such an in-flight experience, one has to wonder how Air Canada can attract new customers...(Other than their monopoly routes)

deasine
Jul 6, 2008, 12:14 AM
I got word from Cathay that they will be cutting many flights after September from Vancouver to Hong Kong, possibly even replacing the large airplanes with something smaller and older.

mr.x
Jul 6, 2008, 12:38 AM
I flew in May from Seoul to Vancouver. Originally departed from Singapore to Seoul via Singapore Airlines.

Compared to Singapore Airlines, its like night and day.

During the flight I pressed the attendant button, no one came, initially I thought that maybe the lamp was broken, so I pressed it a couple more times, again, no one came....

After the flight I talked to my mom who was sitting in a different seat and she also pressed the attendant button and no FA came. Seems on Air Canada, they don't respond to passenger requests.

Once their work "was done" (i.e. meal service), they would sit on the seats reading their own magazines and I saw one of them sleeping on the last row. One has to physically walk to the back to ask for water etc.

Regarding the meals, they try to nickel and dime you as much as possible. Small portions, bad food and *everything* is served in disposable plastic bowls, cups including the utensils. If anyone usually flies with JAL or any other Asian carrier, this is usually pretty shocking and unusual...

Also the service of the food and recovery of the trays was so slow that most of the passengers got really annoyed and just starting bringing their own trays back into the kitchen.....

The flight was about 90% Korean and I think they were quite annoyed and pissed at the service.

Also at the beginning of the flight, there is no drink service with peanuts or anything. You had to wait until meal service to even get a drink.

I was on the retrofitted 767s with the touch screen IFE, and they didn't turn it on until after meal service. On Singapore Airlines, the IFE is usable from the time you board the aircraft and usable during takeoff!

IFE was not bad, but its touch screen based, so that means you had to stick out your arm a lot if you like "surfing" the system. Also there was a menu for games but it seems that it isn't implemented.

I notice that for a majority of routes that AC flies to Asian destinations, most of the aircraft (e.g. A340) that they use do NOT have the IFE.

Also the FA's attitude towards the passengers once was of indifference, they didn't seem happy to do their jobs and just wanted to "get it over with".

I forgot to mention the washrooms. When the washrooms were running out of paper, the FAs just got some paper towels and just stacked it on the counter of the washroom. They didn't even bother putting it into the paper holder.

With such an in-flight experience, one has to wonder how Air Canada can attract new customers...(Other than their monopoly routes)

We should let JAL take over the worldwide airline industry.



wtf with Cathay and its Vancouver-HK routes?

ravman
Jul 6, 2008, 1:18 AM
Cathay has how many daily flights to HK... it make sense to reduce...

mr.x
Jul 6, 2008, 1:25 AM
Cathay has how many daily flights to HK... it make sense to reduce...

i think it's 21 a week.

Hourglass
Jul 6, 2008, 6:28 AM
i think it's 21 a week.

Cathay Pacific has already announced a reduction to 17 flights a week in October.

Not sure what "older" and "smaller" planes they could use. They have an all-wide body fleet and they already use the A340s on one of the daily flights. I believe they were planning to switch to 777s and phase out their 747-400s.

mr.x
Jul 6, 2008, 6:34 AM
For such long and high demand flights, you'd think they'd stick with the bigger planes for the Vancouver-HK route. I honestly would not feel safe on anything smaller than a 747 on a Trans-Pacific flight.

SpongeG
Jul 6, 2008, 9:14 PM
You must have been a bit late. Up until a couple of days ago, both AC and WS were offering YVR-YEG return for $59 each way (about $260 all included).

i must have been

i logged on as soon as global news broadcasted the sale

not that i need to go anywhere

but i hate when the media hypes it up and there is no great deal

SpongeG
Jul 6, 2008, 9:18 PM
saw some weird german airline - i assume it was german as it was going to frankfurt - i think it was called CONDOR

must be a summer charter service from germany

the airport was really busy when i got there - that totem pole room is really nice - the trickling water makes it a nice place to chill

whats opening in 2009 in the domestic terminal?

they have it all blocked off with big signs saying opening in 2009 - but i couldn't figure out what it was

ravman
Jul 6, 2008, 9:28 PM
whats opening in 2009 in the domestic terminal?

they have it all blocked off with big signs saying opening in 2009 - but i couldn't figure out what it was

CANADA LINE!

SpongeG
Jul 6, 2008, 9:31 PM
no not that

behind the area where all the food is

you used to be able to sit in there and look out to the runways and watch the planes somewhat

now its all boarded up and dark and no more airplane viewing :(

twoNeurons
Jul 7, 2008, 1:07 AM
My dad works at Cathay Pacific, and he gets free air tickets once a year, and it's never unionized. I don't think cutting this type of benefit would save that much money. There's tons of conditions with getting free air tickets. First, as I just said, he only gets it once a year, and also, those tickets are on standby, meaning that only once all full-fare ticket holders have boarded the plane, are the people on standby tickets be allowed to board (but usually my dad is allowed to board few days in advance once he knows that there's guarantee of extra seats). I used to get free air tickets too but since I'm past my age (max age is I think 19 for Cathay for free air tickets for children of staff working there), but I have to get tickets 90% off now.

A/C get as many flights per year free (on stand-by) as they want. They also have friend passes (4 per year) which they can give away to anyone to fly stand-by.

excel
Jul 7, 2008, 1:23 AM
saw some weird german airline - i assume it was german as it was going to frankfurt - i think it was called CONDOR

must be a summer charter service from germany


Condor is Thomas Cook which runs sched service to london gatwick during the summer months.

ravman
Jul 7, 2008, 1:31 AM
no not that

behind the area where all the food is

you used to be able to sit in there and look out to the runways and watch the planes somewhat

now its all boarded up and dark and no more airplane viewing :(

ohh that... i havent been out there in the restricted area and therefore cant comment on exactly whats been happening ( i have been by on the public side but not "airside" but last time i was there which was just over a year ago, they were planning on redoing the inbound and outbound baggage area... the lower level where pple pick up their luggage one side its WJ and the other side its AC they were going to expand it or something and also build out that way... but i am scheduled on going out there in about a month or so... i will let you guys know whats been happening in the hidden areas of the airport... the areas where the public never sees....

SpongeG
Jul 7, 2008, 1:46 AM
A/C get as many flights per year free (on stand-by) as they want. They also have friend passes (4 per year) which they can give away to anyone to fly stand-by.

my friend's friend works for Delta in Atlanta and they used to get and from what i hear they still get 10 passes a year at 90% off air travel wherever they fly and you get the best seat in the plane available if available at the time ie first class but its on standby but priority standby

so i got a first class ticket from seattle - london and back to vancouver for $333 USD (2002) :banana:

is that a change at A/C? my friend went with someone who worked for A/C to beijing one weekend and she said the employee has to fly with the friend they can't just give the ticket to anyone to fly on their own

if so thats a pretty good benefit right there for A/C

SpongeG
Jul 7, 2008, 1:56 AM
ohh that... i havent been out there in the restricted area and therefore cant comment on exactly whats been happening ( i have been by on the public side but not "airside" but last time i was there which was just over a year ago, they were planning on redoing the inbound and outbound baggage area... the lower level where pple pick up their luggage one side its WJ and the other side its AC they were going to expand it or something and also build out that way... but i am scheduled on going out there in about a month or so... i will let you guys know whats been happening in the hidden areas of the airport... the areas where the public never sees....

ah

its so dark now down where harveys is - kinda neat though to see stuff down there