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LeftCoaster
Jan 17, 2017, 9:03 PM
Wow that's half a year with 747-8i service. Amazing!

Still eagerly awaiting what AC does with the apparent Rouge plane at YVR. Fingers crossed for two 3 per week Europe flights. Don't know where else they would send them in Asia outside of Sapporo (which would also be very cool), maybe it has the range to do Busan?

SpongeG
Jan 17, 2017, 9:09 PM
there really is nothing to fly to other than Vancouver, I could be wrong but i doubt many people from winnipeg or anywhere in canada want to fly to prince george or terrace etc. Perhaps Victoria but if it's for holidays people like the ferry ride.

When i flew from YVR to FSJ at christmas time, the guy on the other side was talking with the woman sitting next to him, he wanted to fly from Prince George to Ft St John but had to do so via YVR which seems kinda crazy that he would have to fly all that way south only to wait around and fly north again flying over where he started out.

nname
Jan 17, 2017, 9:26 PM
Wow that's half a year with 747-8i service. Amazing!

Still eagerly awaiting what AC does with the apparent Rouge plane at YVR. Fingers crossed for two 3 per week Europe flights. Don't know where else they would send them in Asia outside of Sapporo (which would also be very cool), maybe it has the range to do Busan?

Sapporo, Fukuoka, Busan, Jeju, Shenyang, Harbin, Tianjin should all be within reach. Some of these would make great vacation destination, except for a very very long flight :uhh:

LeftCoaster
Jan 17, 2017, 10:10 PM
On another note, with the challenges of the new terminal in Calgary, could WestJet be eyeing more flights in/out of Vancouver and beefing up their presence?

What could end up being very interesting is if/when WestJet joins Skyteam.

This could either be a huge boom for YYCs International aspirations or it could be the final nail that relegates YYC to a domestic airport.

If WestJet choses to focus their international growth at YVR, taking advantage of the huge Skyteam presence in Vancouver, that would be a huge blow to YYC. I do not agree that the new terminal is not an issue, as WestJet will likely be making decisions like this over the next several years, and if they have a soured relationship with CAA it certainly will influence their decisions.

It's worth noting that YVRs Skyteam international operations are larger even than YYZ, so I do think it could be a strong pull to get WestJet to focus their new Intl' operations at YYZ and YVR, rather than YYZ and YYC.

casper
Jan 18, 2017, 3:18 AM
there really is nothing to fly to other than Vancouver, I could be wrong but i doubt many people from winnipeg or anywhere in canada want to fly to prince george or terrace etc. Perhaps Victoria but if it's for holidays people like the ferry ride.

When i flew from YVR to FSJ at christmas time, the guy on the other side was talking with the woman sitting next to him, he wanted to fly from Prince George to Ft St John but had to do so via YVR which seems kinda crazy that he would have to fly all that way south only to wait around and fly north again flying over where he started out.

Depending on which direction the wind is blowing on the LNG front there can actually be quite a bit of traffic between places like Terrace and Calgary. Much of it connecting in Vancouver.

Based in Victoria I frequently connect in Calgary heading east. Tourism is important on Vancouver Island but there is still a lot of business traffic on and off the island to the parries and points east. Victoria as an example has multiple non-stop flights to SFO, SEA, and YYC through the day. YYZ and many of the regional centres in BC have more limited service.

Gordon
Jan 18, 2017, 3:30 AM
What is the west Jet encore facility in Vancouver like?

If Yvr keeps a good working relationship with the Skyteam members that Use YVR 9t may be difficult for YYC to draw these carriers away from vancouver

Encore needs a bigger footprint at YVr & throughout the province.

thenoflyzone
Jan 18, 2017, 4:13 AM
Wow that's half a year with 747-8i service. Amazing!

Still eagerly awaiting what AC does with the apparent Rouge plane at YVR. Fingers crossed for two 3 per week Europe flights. Don't know where else they would send them in Asia outside of Sapporo (which would also be very cool), maybe it has the range to do Busan?

I think the 763 on Wednesday will come from that PVR flight. YVR-PVR can easily be flown with an A319. I don't think RV will add any Europe flights this year out of YVR. They would have already announced it by now.

casper
Jan 18, 2017, 4:32 AM
What is the west Jet encore facility in Vancouver like?

If Yvr keeps a good working relationship with the Skyteam members that Use YVR 9t may be difficult for YYC to draw these carriers away from vancouver

Encore needs a bigger footprint at YVr & throughout the province.

The Encore gates at YVR are not bad, but not great. It is on par with Calgary, Edmonton and a host of others. In the main building there are a series of counters that back onto Teflon covered walkway that connects to stands where the aircraft part.

As for the routes, they feed many of the regional centres in BC from Vancouver. Encore has more aircraft on order, perhaps some of them will end up in YVR.

trofirhen
Jan 18, 2017, 12:31 PM
I like the idea of a One World hub at Vancouver, as suggested by 2Neurons. We could have regular flights to Barcelona, and I'll bet they'd pay for themselves.++

mezzanine
Jan 18, 2017, 8:38 PM
BoT talk will start soon. pic of the center pieces look cool - I'm sure these will sell well if they ever make them for the gift shops:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2ej2JdUsAA1aXE.jpg:large

https://twitter.com/yvrairport/status/821805616062599169

SpongeG
Jan 18, 2017, 9:17 PM
I flew westjet from YVR to Ft St John, the problem was lack of flight options, they show you many options for departure times, but i think only 1 maybe 2 were direct, all the other options flew YVR - Calgary or Edmonton or both - FSJ

There was one option it left YVR around 10 pm, had a 15 hour layover in Victoria! then flew to Calgary with a 3 hour layover than onto FSJ almost 20 hours later. Lol. Why would someone choose that option.

Also I usually fly Air Canada and the planes are pretty much full, the times I flew WestJet the plane had a good number of seats that were empty.

excel
Jan 18, 2017, 9:22 PM
Rarely would someone choose that route but in a worst case scenario, you may be forced to if all other flights are full and you are booking last minute.
Or you've got a friend in YYJ you want to visit ;)

nname
Jan 18, 2017, 10:19 PM
For miles and flight segment to earn frequent flyer status. Given this should be around the same cost,

YVR-YXJ = 1 segment, 498 miles
YVR-YYJ-YYC-YXJ = 3 segments, 941 miles

This flight is great at year end if you're a few miles or segments short of the next tier.

So for someone who frequently travel on the route (ie. 2 round-trips per month).. doing the first way would most likely give you a lower or middle tier (Prestige, silver, etc). On the other hand, doing it the long way every time would quite likely yield you the top tier (Super Elite, diamond, etc) status, or very close to it - given you got lots of time to kill.

phesto
Jan 18, 2017, 10:44 PM
Haven't been following this thread in very closely, but has the 2037 draft plan been discussed? Released to the media today.

http://www.yvr2037.ca/

Of note, North-South taxiway over Grant McConachie will be built in next 10 years. No new runways for 20 years.

mezzanine
Jan 19, 2017, 12:16 AM
From what I can parse, not a whole lot of information that isn't new and nothing imminent. Incrementalism seems to be key, which isn't a bad thing, especially if they want to get around to building the foreshore runway.

a few interesting things:

-22.3 million pax for 2016.
-NS taxiway as mentioned above to be built within 10 yrs.
-preserve land for a future west satellite terminal
-another schematic of terminal expansion. Interesting to note they are moving on D and east concourse (transborder) as the next step WRT terminals

http://www.yvr2037.ca/system/redactor_assets/assets/c88c1dc292ff78113f201e0b791f0630b79fee07/000/002/283/original/Terminals.png?1484612338

http://www.yvr2037.ca/system/redactor_assets/assets/c88c1dc292ff78113f201e0b791f0630b79fee07/000/002/283/original/Terminals.png?1484612338

rxp
Jan 19, 2017, 12:17 AM
only 4 new gates initially? really :???::???::???:

casper
Jan 19, 2017, 4:46 AM
only 4 new gates initially? really :???::???::???:

But their wide-body gates that can probably hold the 777, 747, A380. Those gates take up a lot of space relative to the gates used for narrow body aircraft.

casper
Jan 19, 2017, 4:49 AM
For miles and flight segment to earn frequent flyer status. Given this should be around the same cost,

YVR-YXJ = 1 segment, 498 miles
YVR-YYJ-YYC-YXJ = 3 segments, 941 miles

This flight is great at year end if you're a few miles or segments short of the next tier.

So for someone who frequently travel on the route (ie. 2 round-trips per month).. doing the first way would most likely give you a lower or middle tier (Prestige, silver, etc). On the other hand, doing it the long way every time would quite likely yield you the top tier (Super Elite, diamond, etc) status, or very close to it - given you got lots of time to kill.

There are a number of people who chase status and would do these things. I think AC is year after year closing the loopholes and making it harder to do these silly things.

I find the instead of spending money paying airline games to get status, you pay extra for the correct credit card that has equivalent privileges and you come out ahead in the end.

SpongeG
Jan 19, 2017, 6:22 AM
i just booked a ticket and didn't notice till after that i fly there with Air Canada and Fly back with WestJet, d'oh. But in options WestJet had more departure options leaving YVR, 4 flights, but only one of them is direct, the others fly via YYC with 30 mins - 4 hour layovers. Air Canada only had 2 options both with direct flights.

Anyway I was looking once about 2 years ago, and one of the flight options with west jet was YVR - Toronto, a fairly short layover there, then Toronto - Winnipeg - Calgary - Ft St John, it was almost 30 or so hours travel time. Crazy. And cost about 4x what the direct option was.

Johnny Aussie
Jan 19, 2017, 7:18 AM
No real surprises but CZ returning to the 77W on YVR-CAN effective 26 March.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/270928/china-southern-vancouver-s17-service-changes-as-of-17jan17/

Gordon
Jan 19, 2017, 1:30 PM
I always thought the final phase of the West Chevron was 6 Wide body gates.

These gates would have Double headed bridges.

Gates D50 & 51 have been coverted to double headed bridge gates.

wave46
Jan 19, 2017, 2:47 PM
"not great" sounds like an understatement to me... I'd say Vancouver is a horrible hub for domestic travel outside of BC and major cities. Geography might be a reason, but for the size and traffic, YVR should have 5-7 more.



In addition to geography, the main reason is that the two major airlines in this country have their hubs to the east. It is easier to coordinate passengers from smaller eastern destinations through a hub and then to Vancouver than directly.

A lot of the destinations served by YYC and YYZ are smaller - ex. Charlottetown, Brandon, London, Kitchener-Waterloo, Deer Lake - so a direct flight would be a dicey proposition, especially as the distance increases.

teriyaki
Jan 19, 2017, 5:44 PM
i just booked a ticket and didn't notice till after that i fly there with Air Canada and Fly back with WestJet, d'oh. But in options WestJet had more departure options leaving YVR, 4 flights, but only one of them is direct, the others fly via YYC with 30 mins - 4 hour layovers. Air Canada only had 2 options both with direct flights.

Anyway I was looking once about 2 years ago, and one of the flight options with west jet was YVR - Toronto, a fairly short layover there, then Toronto - Winnipeg - Calgary - Ft St John, it was almost 30 or so hours travel time. Crazy. And cost about 4x what the direct option was.

You got 4x the amount of take-off and landings thought :D:D

rxp
Jan 19, 2017, 6:40 PM
But their wide-body gates that can probably hold the 777, 747, A380. Those gates take up a lot of space relative to the gates used for narrow body aircraft.

4 gates for the D pier expansion? isnt that the long term future?

I thought the initial plan is for 4 gates was for temporary transborder terminal for horizon air... 4 new gates for them is a tiny expansion in the grand scheme of things....

Gordon
Jan 19, 2017, 7:58 PM
The Transboarder holdroom will remain as is the plan is to remove it When the east Concourse is expanded

excel
Jan 19, 2017, 10:05 PM
Air China is acquiring Cathay Pacific apparently.

http://www.corporationchina.com/blog/2017/01/17/air-china-acquire-cathay-pacific-airways-breaking-news/

teriyaki
Jan 19, 2017, 10:12 PM
Spotted Eastern Airlines parked close to the South terminal today. Anyone maybe know why it's all the way up here? Was pleasantly surprised by the rare sight

http://i64.tinypic.com/qpqqdl.jpg

nname
Jan 20, 2017, 1:10 AM
Air China is acquiring Cathay Pacific apparently.

http://www.corporationchina.com/blog/2017/01/17/air-china-acquire-cathay-pacific-airways-breaking-news/

If this news was posted on or before yesterday, then this had been proven to be a false rumor.

LeftCoaster
Jan 20, 2017, 1:26 AM
No real surprises but CZ returning to the 77W on YVR-CAN effective 26 March.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/270928/china-southern-vancouver-s17-service-changes-as-of-17jan17/

As far as I can tell it's not a return of the 77W but a continuation and a backtrack of their previous 'downguage'. They are still running 77Ws today.

I always thought the final phase of the West Chevron was 6 Wide body gates.

Well sounds like they are expanding their plans as it will now be 8 (4 in the intiial expansion then another 4 after).

If this news was posted on or before yesterday, then this had been proven to be a false rumor.

Ya I'm fairly certain that is BS.

LeftCoaster
Jan 20, 2017, 1:27 AM
No one going to post the flythrough of the new expansion??

https://twitter.com/yvrairport/status/821892377639981056

I think it looks fantastic. Keeping with the very distinct YVR theme and building on it.

excel
Jan 20, 2017, 2:48 AM
That looks great.

moosejaw
Jan 20, 2017, 5:22 AM
Spotted Eastern Airlines parked close to the South terminal today. Anyone maybe know why it's all the way up here? Was pleasantly surprised by the rare sight

http://i64.tinypic.com/qpqqdl.jpg

Florida Panthers charter an eastern airlines 737 based out of Miami when they travel.
Any chance they were playing in Vancouver?

All other Eastern Airlines were charters to Cuba. That is until the US and Cuba govts came to an agreement

SpongeG
Jan 20, 2017, 5:24 AM
could be they were in alberta yesterday i think, i can't recall but i think it was edmonton

jollyburger
Jan 20, 2017, 6:53 AM
Panthers play the Canucks tomorrow night.

EDIT: Found the plane

Airline: Eastern Airlines
Aircraft: Boeing 737-8CX
Registration: N277EA
Route: EA5240 (FLL-YYC)

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPTw3_JhO3n/

Flight data on the tracking from Edmonton:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/EAL5242

Johnny Aussie
Jan 20, 2017, 10:54 AM
A good article on the increase in nonstop flights from YVR to Mainland China, Hong Kong and Taiwan.

https://www.biv.com/article/2017/1/vancouver-greater-china-non-stop-flights-surge/

Also a good chart towards the bottom highlighting the growth over the years.

104 nonstop flights to China/HK/Taiwan expected by July.

twoNeurons
Jan 20, 2017, 10:53 PM
Looks like YVR just released their expansion plan documents:

http://www.yvr.ca/en/about-yvr/past-and-future/flight-plan-2037

Flight Plan 2037 provides YVR’s overarching blueprint for the future, which includes a Capital Plan, Terminal Plan, Financial Plan and the YVR 2037 Master Plan. Details of the $5.6 billion plan include expanded terminals, new taxiways, a geoexchange system and upgraded roads and bridges to Sea Island which will help YVR support the estimated 35 million passengers expected to travel through YVR annually by 2037.



As part of Flight Plan 2037, YVR is now in Phase 3 of the YVR 2037 Master Plan, a community and stakeholder consultation process that guides YVR’s land use decision-making and facility development for the next 20 years. For more information and details on how you can get involved visit YVR2037.ca (http://yvr2037.ca)


Direct link to the PDF (http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/flight-plan-2037/2016_01_17_yvr-2037-flight-plan-master-plan-news-release_final.pdf?la=en).

phesto
Jan 20, 2017, 10:59 PM
No one going to post the flythrough of the new expansion??

https://twitter.com/yvrairport/status/821892377639981056

I think it looks fantastic. Keeping with the very distinct YVR theme and building on it.

I like the open-air landscaped part. Should look really cool - both on sunny days and at night if they light it up properly.

LeftCoaster
Jan 20, 2017, 11:06 PM
I like the open-air landscaped part. Should look really cool - both on sunny days and at night if they light it up properly.

Agreed. The "Gulf Island" as they call it should be a very cool centrepiece.

Migrant_Coconut
Jan 20, 2017, 11:09 PM
I like the open-air landscaped part. Should look really cool - both on sunny days and at night if they light it up properly.

Amen to that. Very relaxing and non-sterile - which is especially good if your flight gets delayed and you're stuck there for more than five hours.

LeftCoaster
Jan 20, 2017, 11:21 PM
A good article on the increase in nonstop flights from YVR to Mainland China, Hong Kong and Taiwan.

https://www.biv.com/article/2017/1/vancouver-greater-china-non-stop-flights-surge/

Also a good chart towards the bottom highlighting the growth over the years.

104 nonstop flights to China/HK/Taiwan expected by July.

A few interesting things.

One: Air China bumping up to 11 is not their current plan as far as I can tell. They have the 2 unused frequencies so it is likely but it would be nice to see them confirm it.

Two: How little seasonality there is in Asia flying. Sure the planes get upgauged in the summer, but wow what a difference from Europe flying that has an entirely different profile from January to July.

Three: Carl Jones of YVR stating that Hainan is still looking to start up Tianjin even though the bilateral appears maxed. As director of the air service department I'm sure he is aware of the bilateral so maybe he knows something we don't ie: expansions to it, a separately negotiated exception for Hainan or YYC losing its service.

twoNeurons
Jan 20, 2017, 11:49 PM
Flythrough of the international Wing Expansion. Skip to 37:20 with commentary at the presentation.

mJtY7x9qGM8?t=37m44s

or click here: https://youtu.be/mJtY7x9qGM8?t=37m20s

Johnny Aussie
Jan 21, 2017, 8:49 AM
A few interesting things.

One: Air China bumping up to 11 is not their current plan as far as I can tell. They have the 2 unused frequencies so it is likely but it would be nice to see them confirm it.

Two: How little seasonality there is in Asia flying. Sure the planes get upgauged in the summer, but wow what a difference from Europe flying that has an entirely different profile from January to July.

Three: Carl Jones of YVR stating that Hainan is still looking to start up Tianjin even though the bilateral appears maxed. As director of the air service department I'm sure he is aware of the bilateral so maybe he knows something we don't ie: expansions to it, a separately negotiated exception for Hainan or YYC losing its service.

1) the chart is accurate - Air China will be 10 weekly this summer.
2) yep.
3) Hainan still has two unused frequencies....

trofirhen
Jan 22, 2017, 12:20 AM
Flythrough of the international Wing Expansion. Skip to 37:20 with commentary at the presentation.

mJtY7x9qGM8?t=37m44s

or click here: https://youtu.be/mJtY7x9qGM8?t=37m20s

Very nice! Love that "bringing the outside in" aspect. But it seemsl enough to warrant moving pedestrian walkways, unless the're on the overhead cental
walkways, but I saw nothing. Does anyone think YVR needs or will need / benefit fom "moving sidewalks?" It'll be a cleverly compact terminal, shaped almost like a squid, or Celebes.
However, the arms of the terminal may be long and tiring for some, and terminal terminal to transit is quite the trek. Could moving sidewalks be used more?

thenoflyzone
Jan 22, 2017, 3:39 PM
^
Nice presentation, although like all managers he does like to blow hot air once in a while !

I like the parallel taxiways planned and the new north south taxiway to the east. Makes total sense, ATC wise.

connect2source
Jan 22, 2017, 4:15 PM
Enjoyed the presentation as well! Terminal footprint is beginning to take on the shape of some very mature terminals like MIA, kinda of a hodgepodge mess of add-ons, extensions and modifications.

While there's nothing wrong with that I have the impractical wish for a clean-sheet terminal design by a famous architect, the likes of Foster and Partners and a design similar to the sweeping futuristic ones in China.

As far as moving walkways trofirhen, there are many, the C, D and E piers all have them.

mezzanine
Jan 22, 2017, 5:36 PM
I like the outside garden concept, very zen, almost like a large terranium.

The devil is in the details. I saw a similar garden at KUL and the space frame blocks a lot of the view from the inside of the terminal. You could enter the garden, but i would think it works better as a visual centre piece than a garden that you could enter.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5249/5236852980_bd09a36ea4.jpg

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/uwebkk/sets/72157613589983634/

SpongeG
Jan 22, 2017, 8:16 PM
do any airports have smoking areas? yvr could use one post security, in an an enclosed outdoor area

excel
Jan 22, 2017, 8:36 PM
The federal government banned smoking in airports. YVR used to have quite a few but will never see them again.

Marshal
Jan 22, 2017, 9:59 PM
do any airports have smoking areas? yvr could use one post security, in an an enclosed outdoor area

I saw a very cool smoking 'box' at Munich: it was its own little building within the main terminal - a glass box the size of a Starbucks with chairs and stools along a number of laptop bars. It was sponsored and named after Camel: the Camel Smoking Lounge.

I haven't noticed one of these elsewhere in Germany or Europe, but with the level of smoking over there, I would bet there are plenty more of them.

LeftCoaster
Jan 23, 2017, 8:22 PM
Enjoyed the presentation as well! Terminal footprint is beginning to take on the shape of some very mature terminals like MIA, kinda of a hodgepodge mess of add-ons, extensions and modifications.

While there's nothing wrong with that I have the impractical wish for a clean-sheet terminal design by a famous architect, the likes of Foster and Partners and a design similar to the sweeping futuristic ones in China.

As far as moving walkways trofirhen, there are many, the C, D and E piers all have them.

Well I think D and E were always designed to be expanded in this manner so I wouldn't call it a hodgepodge.

A, B & C are definitely a hodgepodge, especially when viewed from the exterior, but it is difficult to tell from a user standpoint.

Honestly D and E are going to be the perfect length once this expansion is completed. Long enough to maximize the utility of the check in/security services, but not too long as to be a marathon to get to your gate.

And ya I don't know what Trofirhen is talking about, there are moving walkways all over the terminal, both in the departures and arrivals levels.

LeftCoaster
Jan 23, 2017, 8:23 PM
3) Hainan still has two unused frequencies....

Hmm interesting. That does sound familliar, I guess I just forgot.

Hope to see them used at YVR then and not YYZ.

LeftCoaster
Jan 23, 2017, 11:35 PM
Word over at A.net is that Iran Air is interested in serving YVR.

This is one rumour that I am inclined to believe, as there is likely a huge market here and not a ton of competition with the ME3 at bay. Additionally the new administration in the US is likely much less friendly to Iran and therefore less likely to allow flights to JFK, LAX and other areas with a large Persian diaspora.

My question to those in the know would be what regulatory hurdles does Iran Air face in serving YVR? I'm assuming because of our government's previously frosty relations there is no bilateral in place?

Cage
Jan 24, 2017, 12:25 AM
Very nice! Love that "bringing the outside in" aspect. But it seemsl enough to warrant moving pedestrian walkways, unless the're on the overhead cental
walkways, but I saw nothing. Does anyone think YVR needs or will need / benefit fom "moving sidewalks?" It'll be a cleverly compact terminal, shaped almost like a squid, or Celebes.
However, the arms of the terminal may be long and tiring for some, and terminal terminal to transit is quite the trek. Could moving sidewalks be used more?

To your point Trofirhen, I think YVR needs a different approach to the longer range distances than the traditional approach of moving sidewalks. The distances can become quite a factor, especially once switchbacks are considered. Let's look at AC34 pax going the full distance. The pax has to arrive at D50 and depart from C50 after walking over 1.5 to 2 km.

I am more and more coming to the conclusion that remote hard stands served by buses are a better option than far flung gates and definitely better than swing gates. With the YVR winter lite conditions, a regular bus operation could be a good option, at least on the arrival.

Another area where YVR bus operation could work out is at international to domestic connections. Pax should be able to clear CBSA Primary inspection at connections center, then head to an airport operated bus to get to concourse C or A/B.


As far as moving walkways trofirhen, there are many, the C, D and E piers all have them.

While there are moving sidewalks at YVR C/D/E concourses, they are short in length and slow moving. High capacity moving sidewalks would be better.

Also, Especiall on the ends of D and E concourse, the different ages of the concourse show most on the arrivals corridor. The solution is longer and faster moving sidewalks. Additionally, the airport should consider a personalized mass transit option to get limited mobility pax from the arrival gate to customs. This option should consider a rooftop option.

Honestly D and E are going to be the perfect length once this expansion is completed. Long enough to maximize the utility of the check in/security services, but not too long as to be a marathon to get to your gate.

D and E are the perfect length for the global traveler with no mobility issues. However for the vacation infrequent traveler or the mobility challenged traveler, a better option needs to be designed and implemented at YVR.

cornholio
Jan 24, 2017, 3:01 AM
Can they not put in a post security casino at the airport? That would generate some very good revenue especially with the increasing number of Asian flyers.

Has always been on my mind. People often have transfers and need to kill time, what better way then by offering them a activity that allows them to leave their money behind.

*Also I don't mean Vegas style slots all over, I mean a actual casino (say 50k square feet with tables and slots in one area that you have to enter lie any other establishment but located past security.

cornholio
Jan 24, 2017, 3:08 AM
The federal government banned smoking in airports. YVR used to have quite a few but will never see them again.

What was the justification for this? Seems like over reaching and beyond the mandate of the federal government to blanket ban a activity that does not concern them. The airport should be able to provide a smoking area (out door or what ever) where smokers can smoke without impacting any one else, if the airport wants to do that and cares about its customers. (by the way I don't smoke, though I did at one point in my life).

I just don't get it. I would want to see some justification.

trofirhen
Jan 24, 2017, 3:54 AM
To your point Trofirhen, I think YVR needs a different approach to the longer range distances than the traditional approach of moving sidewalks. The distances can become quite a factor, especially once switchbacks are considered.

While there are moving sidewalks at YVR C/D/E concourses, they are short in length and slow moving. High capacity moving sidewalks would be better.

Also, Especiall on the ends of D and E concourse, the different ages of the concourse show most on the arrivals corridor. The solution is longer and faster moving sidewalks.

D and E are the perfect length for the global traveler with no mobility issues. However for the vacation infrequent traveler or the mobility challenged traveler, a better option needs to be designed and implemented at YVR.
Thank you for the feedback. Off the top of my head, I can say that ORLY, FRA, and PVG all have moving sidewalks that are longer, more contiguous, and faster.
I think that is one of the factors somewhat neglected in YVR, which otherwide is great, as we all know....
One more thing to improve YVR would be having baggage check open an hour earlier. Once -before the arrival of Air France - I had to return to Paris via San Fran.
My plane left at 8 a.m., and the man in baggage check told meto hold onto it, because unlocking baggage claim at 6 a.m. might be too tight and cause me to miss my early plane.
One other thing they had at SFO was a 'courtesy' phone - free- right at departures, getting off the plane and into the airport. It's free, and covers three area codes!

mezzanine
Jan 24, 2017, 5:31 AM
I am more and more coming to the conclusion that remote hard stands served by buses are a better option than far flung gates and definitely better than swing gates. With the YVR winter lite conditions, a regular bus operation could be a good option, at least on the arrival.


I can't see that from a passenger perspective, unless there are other operational advantages. definately a worse experience for departing pax (no priority boarding, bus loading area is usu far from amenities). even if it is arrivals only I see more hassle with buses than jetways (stairs/steps with seniors, strollers, carrying bags, and the ride with all of the above on the bus). How often does it rain at YVR?


Another area where YVR bus operation could work out is at international to domestic connections. Pax should be able to clear CBSA Primary inspection at connections center, then head to an airport operated bus to get to concourse C or A/B.

Additionally, the airport should consider a personalized mass transit option to get limited mobility pax from the arrival gate to customs. This option should consider a rooftop option.

D and E are the perfect length for the global traveler with no mobility issues. However for the vacation infrequent traveler or the mobility challenged traveler, a better option needs to be designed and implemented at YVR.



IMO it would seem to make more things complex than necessary. I'd be worried if YVR adopted a form of a all-access YYC Link-type service after reading comments about how it performs.

Like it or not, flying is not for everyone, especially flights with connections. One who is not used to flying will have difficulty at YVR, but then again will have difficulty at any airport. BLI skims off a lot of the low hanging transborder fruit from Metro vancouver, but YVR has wisely decided not to compete against this. I have also seen "working-class" seniors and families with small children going to asia moving thru YVR like a boss. Of course there is room for improvement (more washrooms for arrivals walkways in D, please) but for the airlines it has and the destinations it serves, I'm sure that some one who flies globally will appreciate YVR, especially international.

mezzanine
Jan 24, 2017, 5:38 AM
What was the justification for this? Seems like over reaching and beyond the mandate of the federal government to blanket ban a activity that does not concern them. The airport should be able to provide a smoking area (out door or what ever) where smokers can smoke without impacting any one else, if the airport wants to do that and cares about its customers. (by the way I don't smoke, though I did at one point in my life).

I just don't get it. I would want to see some justification.

Not a a legal expert, but BC worksafe (https://www.worksafebc.com/en/law-policy/occupational-health-safety/searchable-ohs-regulation/ohs-regulation/part-04-general-conditions#C3B5651331C546909B3CC67BEA0C84A8) legistlation bans smoking rooms, not federal law. (http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/N-23.6/page-1.html#docCont)

You may have a choice to avoid the smoking room, but not the cleaners or the HVAC guy. YVR also saves a lot of $ by not building the added ventilation ducts and the extra cleaning costs.

mezzanine
Jan 24, 2017, 5:42 AM
Word over at A.net is that Iran Air is interested in serving YVR.

This is one rumour that I am inclined to believe, as there is likely a huge market here and not a ton of competition with the ME3 at bay. Additionally the new administration in the US is likely much less friendly to Iran and therefore less likely to allow flights to JFK, LAX and other areas with a large Persian diaspora.

My question to those in the know would be what regulatory hurdles does Iran Air face in serving YVR? I'm assuming because of our government's previously frosty relations there is no bilateral in place?

If we ever get a bilateral, I can see AC taking dibs on YYZ and Iran Air on YVR.

zahav
Jan 24, 2017, 7:41 AM
Well I think D and E were always designed to be expanded in this manner so I wouldn't call it a hodgepodge.

A, B & C are definitely a hodgepodge, especially when viewed from the exterior, but it is difficult to tell from a user standpoint.

Honestly D and E are going to be the perfect length once this expansion is completed. Long enough to maximize the utility of the check in/security services, but not too long as to be a marathon to get to your gate.

And ya I don't know what Trofirhen is talking about, there are moving walkways all over the terminal, both in the departures and arrivals levels.

I think the C-pier is definitely a hodepodge of many renos and extenions. But A-B is great with the expansion and very cohesive, ont a hodgepodge anymore. The end of the b-gates are definitely awful, but luckily you have to walk down to get there so doesn't affect anyone unless they go down that hall

trofirhen
Jan 24, 2017, 3:40 PM
Word over at A.net is that Iran Air is interested in serving YVR.

This is one rumour that I am inclined to believe, as there is likely a huge market here and not a ton of competition with the ME3 at bay. Additionally the new administration in the US is likely much less friendly to Iran and therefore less likely to allow flights to JFK, LAX and other areas with a large Persian diaspora.

My question to those in the know would be what regulatory hurdles does Iran Air face in serving YVR? I'm assuming because of our government's previously frosty relations there is no bilateral in place?

I can imagine YYZ getting Iran Air or AC to Teheran.
Vancouver, hmm, I still think that the relationship with the GTAA and AC is cozy enough that they'd make people change planes there.
I hate to be negative, but it'll be much the same as the deal with Istanbul, IMO, with YVR not getting a (much needed and viable) route east.

LeftCoaster
Jan 24, 2017, 7:05 PM
I don't really think Turkish is that viable anymore. Istanbul is an absolute shitstorm right now and people are avoiding connecting there.

I don't see why Iran and Canada would negotiate a bilateral in which only AC gets to serve Tehran. Iran Air would get frequencies as well and would likely serve whichever market AC did not. Since the Persian population in Vancouver is quite similar to that in Toronto I could see the service being split, especially if Iran air can codeshare with WestJet to LAX to dip into the 'Tehrangeles' market :D

LeftCoaster
Jan 24, 2017, 7:12 PM
D and E are the perfect length for the global traveler with no mobility issues. However for the vacation infrequent traveler or the mobility challenged traveler, a better option needs to be designed and implemented at YVR.

E is currently only 365M from security to the end of the terminal. Quite small IMO and easily navigable.

D is longer at 435M, but that's still pretty short compared to most large airports. At it's maximum extent as depicted in the expansion plans it looks to be around 675M to the end of the hammerhead. That's getting long but I would assume the expansion will have more walkways and likely the high speed ones seen at YYZ. The mobility issue will need to be tackled by an attentive ground staff, but it's do-able.

Assuming a full expansion of D the maximum travel would be 1.37KM from the D hammerhead to the furthest reaches of A pier. The PAX YVR is really going after is Asia-USA or Asia to Intl which would both be within D/E and therefore under a 1KM connection distance. If E pier is fully extended and D pier fully extended the distance from hammerhead to hammerhead would be 1.1KM.

ACT7
Jan 24, 2017, 9:37 PM
I don't really think Turkish is that viable anymore. Istanbul is an absolute shitstorm right now and people are avoiding connecting there.

I don't see why Iran and Canada would negotiate a bilateral in which only AC gets to serve Tehran. Iran Air would get frequencies as well and would likely serve whichever market AC did not. Since the Persian population in Vancouver is quite similar to that in Toronto I could see the service being split, especially if Iran air can codeshare with WestJet to LAX to dip into the 'Tehrangeles' market :D
I'm pretty sure this has come up before but Vancouver's Iranian population is less than half of Toronto's (as of the 2011 census, and it's unlikely that gap has been closed much since then):

http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/dp-pd/prof/details/page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=CMA&Code1=933&Data=Count&SearchText=vancouver&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&A1=Ethnic%20origin&B1=All&Custom=&TABID=1

http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/dp-pd/prof/details/page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=CMA&Code1=535&Data=Count&SearchText=toronto&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&A1=Ethnic%20origin&B1=All&Custom=&TABID=1

Someone on airliners.net very incorrectly pointed out that Vancouver has the largest Iranian population in Canada, but regardless, I don't see either AC or Iran Air starting service to either city based on each market's local diaspora. Like anything else, it would be based on 'hubbing' and transfer traffic, as well as, I'm guessing, U.S. connections.

LeftCoaster
Jan 24, 2017, 9:43 PM
Hmm you're right on the hard numbers, thought YVR was about 30,000 and YYZ about 45,000. Van always seemed more Persian to me but I guess that's cause I grew up on the North Shore.

I don't see either AC or Iran Air starting service to either city based on each market's local diaspora. Like anything else, it would be based on 'hubbing' and transfer traffic, as well as, I'm guessing, U.S. connections.

Yes I agree that neither would do it based solely on that, but if they are looking to launch NA service a strong O&D market to work connections around is a must, which makes both Toronto and Vancouver strong contenders.

LAX is the obvious first choice, but like I said if the current US Administration does not pursue relations with Iran (and kills the Boeing deal) that puts YVR and YYZ at the top of the pile. Worth noting that the GC line from LAX to YVR to Tehran is only 0.9% further than a LAX-IKA direct flight. Connecting from LAX through the gulf adds another 20% in travel distance.

Genauso
Jan 24, 2017, 10:06 PM
It's not directly YVR related, but given the talk about flights between Iran, or Turkey: expectations are that American based airlines will get their wish to reduce ME3 flights (circa 2015, http://www.openandfairskies.com/about-us/. more background (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-01-05/is-emirates-airline-running-out-of-sky))

I couldn't tell you what the resulting ripples would be to SeaTac, or traffic flows in general. But there would be at least one more major consequence depending on whether the EU sides with Airbus or the airlines. It seems a round of airline consolidation is upon the world outside North America.

fredinno
Jan 25, 2017, 1:27 AM
Is there any need for a 3rd terminal at YVR as planned?

Is there any space for a YVR expansion for another international runway, or we going to have to expand in Boundary Bay or Abbostford after the 3rd terminal?

trofirhen
Jan 25, 2017, 1:46 AM
Is there any need for a 3rd terminal at YVR as planned?

Is there any space for a YVR expansion for another international runway, or we going to have to expand in Boundary Bay or Abbostford after the 3rd terminal?

As I understand it, from plans, and from Craig Richmond's speech to the VBOT, there will be no third terminal, nor a third runway at present.
The plan as I understand is to elongate the wings of the current terminal, which has 6 such "wings."
Mr. Richmond spoke of the possibility of a seperate terminal to the west of the existing one, but said that soggy ground conditions, and an expensive subway would rule that out.
If you scroll backwards to the presentation, you might find his plans for the terminal, to clarify any questions about a third terminal tentatively ruled out (AFAIK)

LeftCoaster
Jan 25, 2017, 1:53 AM
Is there any need for a 3rd terminal at YVR as planned?

Is there any space for a YVR expansion for another international runway, or we going to have to expand in Boundary Bay or Abbostford after the 3rd terminal?

Future plans contemplate a third runway and a third and even fourth terminal if necessary.

As it stands today those are not necessary and an expansion of the existing terminal will provide enough future capacity.

fredinno
Jan 25, 2017, 1:57 AM
As I understand it, from plans, and from Craig Richmond's speech to the VBOT, there will be no third terminal, nor a third runway at present.
The plan as I understand is to elongate the wings of the current terminal, which has 6 such "wings."
Mr. Richmond spoke of the possibility of a seperate terminal to the west of the existing one, but said that soggy ground conditions, and an expensive subway would rule that out.
If you scroll backwards to the presentation, you might find his plans for the terminal, to clarify any questions about a third terminal tentatively ruled out (AFAIK)

Well, the current international north runway is the "third runway". The newest one would be the forth. I always thought you would need to build it right next to the Westmost edge of Sea Island, or close up the hole between Iona and Sea Island to build one in the North.

And how would they connect to a terminal in the west? Wouldn't it be in the East, right next to the current terminal, where it would connect to Skytrain?
http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/08/four-stations-could-be-added-to-skytrain-canada-line/

"Vancouver International Airport’s long-term master plan includes a possible fourth station for Sea Island. An additional station would be built as part of the proposed Northeast Terminal expansion, a project that would expand the airport terminal building to accommodate increased international and transborder growth."

:shrug:

I guess there's no demand... They really should cut fees so people stop going South to fly.

nname
Jan 25, 2017, 2:09 AM
The east terminal plan was replaced by building the F concourse and add more gates to the A, B, C, D, and E concourse. New runway is no longer required for the near future as airlines start to fly bigger plane or cram more people by reducing seat pitch.

The fee charged by the airport is peanuts compared to the huge tax US government charges for international passenger. The only way to bypass that is to either become a US citizen (which exempt from the tax), or fly domestically from a US airport. There is nothing else we can do about it beside not going down there altogether.

fredinno
Jan 25, 2017, 2:14 AM
The east terminal plan was replaced by building the F concourse and add more gates to the A, B, C, D, and E concourse. New runway is no longer required for the near future as airlines start to fly bigger plane or cram more people by reducing seat pitch.

The fee charged by the airport is peanuts compared to the huge tax US government charges for international passenger. The only way to bypass that is to either become a US citizen (which exempt from the tax), or fly domestically from a US airport. There is nothing else we can do about it beside not going down there altogether.

I'm talking about the "Airport Improvement Fee" specifically. http://www.richmond-news.com/news/flashback-friday-yvr-s-temporary-improvement-fee-is-still-here-1.2131030

There are no major expansions planned in the near future.

nname
Jan 25, 2017, 2:16 AM
I'm talking about the "Airport Improvement Fee" specifically. http://www.richmond-news.com/news/flashback-friday-yvr-s-temporary-improvement-fee-is-still-here-1.2131030

There are no major expansions planned in the near future.

Building a new concourse, extend the existing ones, building new taxiway, add more parking facility.... these are not expansions? Maybe not major one like a billion dollar new terminal or runway, but it's still a couple hundreds of millions here and there...

fredinno
Jan 25, 2017, 3:10 AM
Building a new concourse, extend the existing ones, building new taxiway, add more parking facility.... these are not expansions? Maybe not major one like a billion dollar new terminal or runway, but it's still a couple hundreds of millions here and there...

That's the thing. The fee was for big expansions back in the day, and there are none. Thus, why people are angry.

nname
Jan 25, 2017, 4:05 AM
That's the thing. The fee was for big expansions back in the day, and there are none. Thus, why people are angry.

So the better approach would be like Calgary? They raised the AIF to $30 in order to pay for the $2B+ new terminal that is going to be mostly empty while it is slowly filling up during the next few decades. Now this would take even longer as the economic downturn started while it was under construction. All this means higher operating cost per passenger...

dharper
Jan 25, 2017, 5:10 AM
I watched that presentation, and it was basically talking about 10-20 years out. Is there any information out there that says what the first terminal or taxiway expansion is going to be, and when?

nname
Jan 25, 2017, 5:37 AM
I watched that presentation, and it was basically talking about 10-20 years out. Is there any information out there that says what the first terminal or taxiway expansion is going to be, and when?

It said in the presentation that D and F concourse would be first.

Hourglass
Jan 25, 2017, 6:35 AM
I'm talking about the "Airport Improvement Fee" specifically. http://www.richmond-news.com/news/flashback-friday-yvr-s-temporary-improvement-fee-is-still-here-1.2131030

There are no major expansions planned in the near future.

You're right that once a fee such as AIF or fuel surcharges comes in, it generally stays whether its really needed or not.

In YVR's case though, there HAS been ongoing expansion, including most recently a $200M upgrade to the baggage handling system. Just because you don't see a shiny new terminal doesn't mean there isn't ongoing investments in infrastructure. And IIRC the expansion of the international terminal will start this year, since terminal capacity will be maxed in the existing facility by 2020. So not sure why you're saying there are no major investments planned in the near future.

I really think you're barking up the wrong tree going after YVR's AIF. Money for investment has to come from somewhere, whether from increased fees to airlines (which gets passed on to passengers anyways), government taxes or debt. YVR is noted for being pretty efficient (see here: https://blogs.ubc.ca/chowdhurian/2013/08/05/vancouvers-yvr-is-canadas-most-efficient-airport/)

In fact, a better target for your dissatisfaction might be the federal government, which charges a huge amount of money in ground lease rent to the airport authority -- little if any of which gets reinvested in the airport. In 2012, YVR paid $39.1 million to the feds. Between 1992 and 2003, YVR paid the federal government $600M in ground rent (that alone could fund a fancy new terminal). See here for more info: https://www.biv.com/article/2013/3/multiple-airport-fees-hurt-yvr-competitiveness/. When Canada is ranked 125th out of 139 countries for airport taxes and ticket fees, this points to a systemic problem, not simply a YVR problem.

Cage
Jan 25, 2017, 5:25 PM
E is currently only 365M from security to the end of the terminal. Quite small IMO and easily navigable.

D is longer at 435M, but that's still pretty short compared to most large airports. At it's maximum extent as depicted in the expansion plans it looks to be around 675M to the end of the hammerhead. That's getting long but I would assume the expansion will have more walkways and likely the high speed ones seen at YYZ. The mobility issue will need to be tackled by an attentive ground staff, but it's do-able.

Assuming a full expansion of D the maximum travel would be 1.37KM from the D hammerhead to the furthest reaches of A pier. The PAX YVR is really going after is Asia-USA or Asia to Intl which would both be within D/E and therefore under a 1KM connection distance. If E pier is fully extended and D pier fully extended the distance from hammerhead to hammerhead would be 1.1KM.

It appears your connection distances are based on "as the crow flies". To get a true picture of pax travel distances, the route must be considered. For example, a recent PEK-YVR-YYC trip was a connection walking distance closer to 1.4km to go from gate 49 to CBSA to domestic connections and finally to the domestic MLL (right above gate 49).

Another example is WS desire to run an interstitial corridor from A/B to international terminal. This would require pax to walk from B15 all the way to D70 (where the entrance to CBSA primary inspection line starts) and then turnaround and go through the entry formalities. This process would be easily double the advertised walking distance once line ups, vertical circulation, and line ups are taken into consideration.

WhyVeeAre
Jan 25, 2017, 6:05 PM
Another example is WS desire to run an interstitial corridor from A/B to international terminal. This would require pax to walk from B15 all the way to D70 (where the entrance to CBSA primary inspection line starts) and then turnaround and go through the entry formalities. This process would be easily double the advertised walking distance once line ups, vertical circulation, and line ups are taken into consideration.

I thought they built that corridor already? There's corridors above the departure lounge (like in the international terminal) that go to some of the new gates in that part of the terminal. Has anyone been up there before?

trofirhen
Jan 25, 2017, 6:30 PM
Could anybody with detailed inside structural knowledge of YVR make a diagram showing precisely where the current moving sidewalks are?
I'm confused on this, and it seems as if some other peoiple are, too.
Thank you for your consideration.

Johnny Aussie
Jan 25, 2017, 6:58 PM
Could anybody with detailed inside structural knowledge of YVR make a diagram showing precisely where the current moving sidewalks are?
I'm confused on this, and it seems as if some other peoiple are, too.
Thank you for your consideration.

Download the YVR app... go to the interactive map and you can zoom in on all areas of the terminal.... each of the moving sidewalks can be clearly seen as a bold black line outlined in teal.

LeftCoaster
Jan 25, 2017, 7:30 PM
That's the thing. The fee was for big expansions back in the day, and there are none. Thus, why people are angry.

They just announced a 5.6 BILLION dollar expansion plan. How much money do you want them to spend??

YVR is a very well run airport, among the best in North America.

It appears your connection distances are based on "as the crow flies". To get a true picture of pax travel distances, the route must be considered. For example, a recent PEK-YVR-YYC trip was a connection walking distance closer to 1.4km to go from gate 49 to CBSA to domestic connections and finally to the domestic MLL (right above gate 49).

Another example is WS desire to run an interstitial corridor from A/B to international terminal. This would require pax to walk from B15 all the way to D70 (where the entrance to CBSA primary inspection line starts) and then turnaround and go through the entry formalities. This process would be easily double the advertised walking distance once line ups, vertical circulation, and line ups are taken into consideration.

No I used google maps and plotted it out along the piers.

For example, furthest extend of E pier to futhest extent of D pier at 1.13 KM

http://i.imgur.com/v4rdmpj.jpg

trofirhen
Jan 25, 2017, 7:40 PM
I just hope that along those interior"skybridges" such as the one in the Pier D extension film, that there will be moving sidewalks.

LeftCoaster
Jan 25, 2017, 7:41 PM
Don't soar too high there Icarus

officedweller
Jan 25, 2017, 9:16 PM
From what I recall, the east terminal option was not favoured because it would require duplication of the "central processor" facilities (customs, etc.).

LeftCoaster
Jan 25, 2017, 10:03 PM
Honestly it just makes more sense to expand the existing before embarking on a huge new terminal. It's not too surprising really, keep everyone centralized, no duplication of services, shorter travel distances and best of all no steep new learning curve, just an incremental expansion of the status quo.

Eventually YVR may move to an alliance based terminal system, which would mean a 3rd terminal (to match the number of alliances) would make more sense, but they seem to have put that off for now this round. We'll see what the appetite is when we near 35 million PAX.

jmt18325
Jan 26, 2017, 12:53 AM
YYZ-YYJ (not quite YVR, but close) will be served by Rouge this summer. There will be a daily 321, and a daily 763.

trofirhen
Jan 26, 2017, 1:04 AM
I just hope that along those interior"skybridges" such as the one in the Pier D extension film, that there will be moving sidewalks.

Don't soar too high there Icarus

I'm not getting grandiose ideas. In the film of the D pier, there were long, overhead walkways. I assume they were for people to transit down the length of the pier.
It would be nice if they had moving sidewalks. / Why?
Because I didn't see any at ground level, the "piers" are long, and if there aren't any moving sidewalks at ground level, that leaves overhead. / That's all.

Johnny Aussie
Jan 26, 2017, 1:07 AM
Relax!

Even Craig Richmond said the fly through is a concept only. Every minute detail won't be finalised for awhile.

I would assume that the extension will have moving sidewalks like they already have in the D concourse...

Be proactive and write YVR a note if you are so concerned about it.

Johnny Aussie
Jan 26, 2017, 1:10 AM
YYZ-YYJ (not quite YVR, but close) will be served by Rouge this summer. There will be a daily 319, and a daily 767.

I noticed that on their last scheduled update but didn't think about posting in the YVR thread.... it's actually a daily 763 and a daily 321.

But....

And that my friend solves the mystery of the last 763 that was presently unutilised!

casper
Jan 26, 2017, 1:16 AM
YYZ-YYJ (not quite YVR, but close) will be served by Rouge this summer. There will be a daily 319, and a daily 767.

On behalf of YYJ frequent flyers may
I say: NO NO NO to the 0Rouge A319. We can accept the 767 ad a second flight since the existing flight is way to early in the day especially considering the drive from dowtown Victoria.

I guess more Jazz connections in YVR or YYC.

jmt18325
Jan 26, 2017, 1:18 AM
I noticed that on their last scheduled update but didn't think about posting in the YVR thread.... it's actually a daily 763 and a daily 321.


Mea Culpa

jmt18325
Jan 26, 2017, 1:26 AM
I noticed that on their last scheduled update but didn't think about posting in the YVR thread.... it's actually a daily 763 and a daily 321.

But....

And that my friend solves the mystery of the last 763 that was presently unutilised!

BTW, that last part is actually why I posted it here.

LeftCoaster
Jan 26, 2017, 7:48 PM
I'm not getting grandiose ideas. In the film of the D pier, there were long, overhead walkways. I assume they were for people to transit down the length of the pier.
It would be nice if they had moving sidewalks. / Why?
Because I didn't see any at ground level, the "piers" are long, and if there aren't any moving sidewalks at ground level, that leaves overhead. / That's all.

I was being sarcastic. The ideas are so far from grandiose I thought it comical. YVR will put walkways where it makes sense. It's such a strange and minute thing to even be talking about this far out.


And that my friend solves the mystery of the last 763 that was presently unutilised!

Well that's a colossal letdown.

nname
Jan 26, 2017, 8:05 PM
Well, there is still the unsolved mystery of where that extra weekly Rouge flight on Wednesday come from when KIX becomes daily...

Johnny Aussie
Jan 26, 2017, 8:23 PM
Well, there is still the unsolved mystery of where that extra weekly Rouge flight on Wednesday come from when KIX becomes daily...

Mystery solved!

PVR moving to a mainline 320 on Saturdays.

And that's a wrap!

LeftCoaster
Jan 26, 2017, 11:32 PM
According to a guy on A.net (who has a grand total of 5 posts) a YVR source said Aeroflot, Turkish and Qatar are interested in flying to YVR pending government approval.

I believe about none of it, short of Turkish and Qatar having "interest", but nothing more than that.

But it's been quiet here lately so I figured what the hell.

trofirhen
Jan 27, 2017, 12:28 AM
According to a guy on A.net (who has a grand total of 5 posts) a YVR source said Aeroflot, Turkish and Qatar are interested in flying to YVR pending government approval.

I believe about none of it, short of Turkish and Qatar having "interest", but nothing more than that.

But it's been quiet here lately so I figured what the hell.

Qatar once applied for landing rights at YVR, but was turned down by Ottawa, did it not?

jmt18325
Jan 27, 2017, 12:39 AM
Mystery solved!

PVR moving to a mainline 320 on Saturdays.


That's it?