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trofirhen
Jun 7, 2017, 11:36 PM
For any of you number-crunching airport nerds, what do you think the probability of YVR breaking 24 million in 2017 is?

In 2016 YVR handled an official 22,288,522 pax.
Therefore, given that growth seems increasing at about a little bit more than 9 percent more than last year between 2105 up to the end of 2016, the percentage increase needs to be calculated...... I'll be back later with the math results ...........
... OK ......
2015 year-end total was 20.3 million pax
2015 year-end total was 22..288
That's just shy of 2 million more pax than the preceding year.
That is a percentage increase of .91131, or pushing ten percent, but at the low end of 9+
So you'd probably need over nine ++ a bit to make that 24m; more like near 10 per cent. A challenge.
However, with all the new USA and overseas routes coming online this year, the larger market in actual seat sales might just do it, pushing it to 24m pax.
Will YVR reach 24m this year? It"s like a spinning coin. If not 24m, then pretty close to it, IMO

nname
Jun 7, 2017, 11:59 PM
24,000,000 / 22,288,522 = 1.077 ... so that's 7.7% growth

We're definitely on pace for that.

trofirhen
Jun 8, 2017, 12:45 AM
Do I need math lessons, or am I simply losing it? :koko::???::rolleyes:

Klazu
Jun 8, 2017, 2:50 AM
With that growth we would hit capacity next year. Is there currently some expansion underway or are they still designing? With this pace YVR will soon struggle to keep up with growth. Very soon.

Gordon
Jun 8, 2017, 4:36 AM
We may well hit 24 million this year or next, and there have been no updates on the next terminal expansions.

Tomorrows gate assignments shoe no D59 & no use of the D\E swing gates either on a day when ac's 3 new routes active.

Johnny Aussie
Jun 8, 2017, 5:39 AM
With that growth we would hit capacity next year. Is there currently some expansion underway or are they still designing? With this pace YVR will soon struggle to keep up with growth. Very soon.

Expect an official announcement soon. All the hints of a D and E expansion are real.

Construction to commence next year.

Hot Rod
Jun 8, 2017, 5:58 AM
We may well hit 24 million this year or next, and there have been no updates on the next terminal expansions.

Tomorrows gate assignments shoe no D59 & no use of the D\E swing gates either on a day when ac's 3 new routes active.

heck, 25M pax per year is only 12.2%; which I believe is achievable with the great summer anticipated. ...

Time to start expansion, NOW! :cheers:

osirisboy
Jun 8, 2017, 6:03 AM
Expect an official announcement soon. All the hints of a D and E expansion are real.

Construction to commence next year.

So they want to do d and e at the same time? What is that like 8 gates?

nname
Jun 8, 2017, 7:38 AM
With that growth we would hit capacity next year. Is there currently some expansion underway or are they still designing? With this pace YVR will soon struggle to keep up with growth. Very soon.

Well, we already hit capacity somewhat.... there's not enough gate!


We may well hit 24 million this year or next, and there have been no updates on the next terminal expansions.

Tomorrows gate assignments shoe no D59 & no use of the D\E swing gates either on a day when ac's 3 new routes active.

Well, there's no FI, JD, CZ's MEX, 2nd CA's PEK, TS's LGW flight tomorrow. Wait till Friday... or next week when TS seasonal flights goes full swing... or end of this month when HX joins at the busiest time....

Gordon
Jun 8, 2017, 6:52 PM
Have the bridges been removed on gates 90 - 92 because the app doesn't show any bridges for those gates?

Johnny Aussie
Jun 8, 2017, 9:21 PM
So last week was FRA and NGO....

Today it's TPE AND LGW.

nname
Jun 9, 2017, 8:59 AM
We may well hit 24 million this year or next, and there have been no updates on the next terminal expansions.

Tomorrows gate assignments shoe no D59 & no use of the D\E swing gates either on a day when ac's 3 new routes active.

And gate D59 is in use today (Friday) for 1 flight (CZ), and there's no FI flight for today...

Some interesting gate assignment - WS23 from London will arrive at gate E79 (all the D gates are full at that time), and E93 is in use tomorrow.

I notice that AC1956 from Nagoya is so late that it'll have exactly 7min to unload all passengers before AC12 from Taipei pulls in. The bad part..? I just don't see any free spot to move the delayed flight to, other than E82 and E93 (which I don't think would fit a 767...)

Gotta love the new YVR site, which makes it so easy to write scripts to grab and parse all the departure and arrival data... :D

Gordon
Jun 9, 2017, 2:04 PM
Can a 767 use a regular transboarder gate? There is also gate E 85

nname
Jun 9, 2017, 4:20 PM
Can a 767 use a regular transboarder gate? There is also gate E 85

Apparently, they can fit in E79, which is a regular trans-boarder gate (swing gate only goes up to 78)

It works out in the end because the Nagoya delayed right past the busiest time at the airport. The ones that caused a lot of gate changes are actually the delay of JD from Hangzhou and early of WS from London... :sly:
(note to self: next time at YVR I really need to pay attention to last-minute gate changes - because there are quite a lot of them now...)

Today's gate assignment for flights between 11:00-15:00, as of 9am:
Gate 48
=>D 12:30 AC184 763 Toronto

Gate 49
A=> 11:35 AC26 789 Shanghai
=>D 13:45 AC118 789 Toronto

Gate 50
=>D 12:20 AC29 773 Beijing
=>D 14:30 AC1984 319 Mexico City

Gate 51
=>D 11:10 AC11 789 Taipei
A=> 12:10 TS409 332 Paris

Gate 52
A=> 11:17 AF374 772 Paris
=>D 13:30 AF379 772 Paris
A=> 14:35 TS285 332 Manchester

Gate 53
A=> 11:46 AC12 789 Taipei
=>D 13:25 AC3 789 Tokyo
A=> 14:09 NZ24 772 Auckland

Gate 54
A=> 11:11 CA997 77W Beijing
=>D 12:35 CA998 77W Beijing

Gate 55
=>D 12:25 AC840 788 Frankfurt
A=> 14:05 LH492 744 Frankfurt

Gate 58
=>D 11:00 AC63 789 Seoul-Incheon
A=> 11:40 AC855 773 London
=>D 13:35 AC7 773 Hong Kong

Gate 59
=>D 12:25 CZ378 788 Guangzhou

Gate 64
=>D 11:25 AC25 789 Shanghai
A=> 12:28 KE71 74H Seoul-Incheon
=>D 14:50 KE72 74H Seoul-Incheon

Gate 65
=>D 12:05 AC1951 76W Osaka
A=> 12:49 CX838 77W Hong Kong
=>D 14:45 CX837 77W Hong Kong

Gate 66
=>D 13:20 MU582 332 Shanghai
A=> 14:37 NH116 789 Tokyo

Gate 67
A=> 11:01 CZ329 788 Guangzhou
=>D 13:10 CZ330 788 Guangzhou
A=> 13:24 KL681 333 Amsterdam

Gate 70
A=> 14:56 AC1956 76W Nagoya
=>D 14:25 JL17 788 Tokyo

Gate 71
A=> 12:00 JD471 332 Hangzhou
=>D 11:50 3U8502 332 Chengdu
=>D 13:10 JD472 332 Hangzhou

Gate 73
A=> 12:42 PR118 773 Manila

Gate 75
A=> 12:12 AC30 773 Beijing

Gate 76
A=> 11:46 UA287 73J Chicago
=>D 13:40 UA298 73J Chicago

Gate 77
A=> 11:57 UA213 320 Houston
=>D 12:47 UA595 320 San Francisco
A=> 12:51 UA5419 E7W Los Angeles
=>D 13:55 UA5547 E7W Los Angeles

Gate 78
A=> 11:06 UA784 320 San Francisco
=>D 12:05 UA671 320 Houston
A=> 13:05 UA685 73J San Francisco
=>D 14:05 UA887 73J San Francisco
A=> 14:54 UA2008 73J Chicago

Gate 79
A=> 13:00 WS23 76W London Gatwick

Gate 80
A=> 11:14 WS1701 73W Los Angeles
=>D 12:45 WS1774 73W San Francisco
A=> 13:27 UA323 73J Denver
=>D 15:00 UA381 73J Denver

Gate 81
A=> 12:47 AA1264 73H Dallas Ft Wrth
=>D 13:20 AA1189 73H Dallas Ft Wrth
A=> 13:21 AA506 319 Phoenix
=>D 14:30 AA500 319 Phoenix

Gate 82
=>D 14:15 AC554 320 Los Angeles

Gate 83
=>D 11:10 AC1898 319 Las Vegas
=>D 13:40 WS1726 73H Palm Springs
A=> 14:29 WS1697 73H Los Angeles

Gate 84
=>D 12:05 AC538 319 Anchorage
=>D 13:40 AC566 320 San Francisco
A=> 14:08 AC563 319 San Francisco
=>D 14:55 AC534 319 Chicago

Gate 86
=>D 11:05 WS1754 73W Orange County
A=> 11:45 DL2916 319 Minneapolis
=>D 13:00 DL2915 319 Minneapolis
A=> 13:41 AA6063 E75 Los Angeles
=>D 14:22 AA6063 E75 Los Angeles

Gate 87
=>D 11:05 AC552 320 Los Angeles
A=> 11:47 DL1805 739 Atlanta
=>D 13:05 DL2450 739 Atlanta
A=> 14:01 AC8115 CR9 San Jose
=>D 14:40 AC8110 CR9 Denver

Gate 88
A=> 12:20 DL2929 319 Los Angeles
=>D 14:02 DL2928 319 Los Angeles
A=> 14:31 DL5818 E75 Seattle

Gate 90
=>D 11:20 DL4821 E75 Seattle
A=> 12:27 DL4684 CR9 Salt Lake City
=>D 13:07 DL4685 CR9 Salt Lake City
A=> 13:55 AC8229 CR9 Phoenix
=>D 14:30 AC8114 CR9 San Jose

Gate 92
=>D 13:10 AC8626 CR9 Dallas Ft Wrth

Gate 93
=>D 13:10 AC8668 CR9 San Diego

Gate 94
A=> 12:49 AC8092 DH4 Seattle
=>D 13:30 AC8125 DH4 Portland

Gate 95
A=> 11:31 AC8118 DH4 Portland
=>D 12:55 AC8097 DH4 Seattle

Gate 96
A=> 13:51 AS2242 DH4 Seattle
=>D 14:31 AS2267 DH4 Seattle

Unassigned
=>D 11:58 AS702 73J Seattle
A=> 13:53 AC8888 CR9 Whitehorse

Note: the list is sorted by scheduled time, but all time shown are estimated time... so they may not seems to be in order...

Cage
Jun 9, 2017, 5:24 PM
(note to self: next time at YVR I really need to pay attention to last-minute gate changes - because there are quite a lot of them now...)

Appears the YVRAA might need the services of a call to gate system. I know of a Canadian airport that over bought technology and might be looking for a new forever home for CtG. :notacrook:

osirisboy
Jun 9, 2017, 9:25 PM
Apparently, they can fit in E79, which is a regular trans-boarder gate (swing gate only goes up to 78)

It works out in the end because the Nagoya delayed right past the busiest time at the airport. The ones that caused a lot of gate changes are actually the delay of JD from Hangzhou and early of WS from London... :sly:
(note to self: next time at YVR I really need to pay attention to last-minute gate changes - because there are quite a lot of them now...)

Today's gate assignment for flights between 11:00-15:00, as of 9am:
Gate 48
=>D 12:30 AC184 763 Toronto

Gate 49
A=> 11:35 AC26 789 Shanghai
=>D 13:45 AC118 789 Toronto

Gate 50
=>D 12:20 AC29 773 Beijing
=>D 14:30 AC1984 319 Mexico City

Gate 51
=>D 11:10 AC11 789 Taipei
A=> 12:10 TS409 332 Paris

Gate 52
A=> 11:17 AF374 772 Paris
=>D 13:30 AF379 772 Paris
A=> 14:35 TS285 332 Manchester

Gate 53
A=> 11:46 AC12 789 Taipei
=>D 13:25 AC3 789 Tokyo
A=> 14:09 NZ24 772 Auckland

Gate 54
A=> 11:11 CA997 77W Beijing
=>D 12:35 CA998 77W Beijing

Gate 55
=>D 12:25 AC840 788 Frankfurt
A=> 14:05 LH492 744 Frankfurt

Gate 58
=>D 11:00 AC63 789 Seoul-Incheon
A=> 11:40 AC855 773 London
=>D 13:35 AC7 773 Hong Kong

Gate 59
=>D 12:25 CZ378 788 Guangzhou

Gate 64
=>D 11:25 AC25 789 Shanghai
A=> 12:28 KE71 74H Seoul-Incheon
=>D 14:50 KE72 74H Seoul-Incheon

Gate 65
=>D 12:05 AC1951 76W Osaka
A=> 12:49 CX838 77W Hong Kong
=>D 14:45 CX837 77W Hong Kong

Gate 66
=>D 13:20 MU582 332 Shanghai
A=> 14:37 NH116 789 Tokyo

Gate 67
A=> 11:01 CZ329 788 Guangzhou
=>D 13:10 CZ330 788 Guangzhou
A=> 13:24 KL681 333 Amsterdam

Gate 70
A=> 14:56 AC1956 76W Nagoya
=>D 14:25 JL17 788 Tokyo

Gate 71
A=> 12:00 JD471 332 Hangzhou
=>D 11:50 3U8502 332 Chengdu
=>D 13:10 JD472 332 Hangzhou

Gate 73
A=> 12:42 PR118 773 Manila

Gate 75
A=> 12:12 AC30 773 Beijing

Gate 76
A=> 11:46 UA287 73J Chicago
=>D 13:40 UA298 73J Chicago

Gate 77
A=> 11:57 UA213 320 Houston
=>D 12:47 UA595 320 San Francisco
A=> 12:51 UA5419 E7W Los Angeles
=>D 13:55 UA5547 E7W Los Angeles

Gate 78
A=> 11:06 UA784 320 San Francisco
=>D 12:05 UA671 320 Houston
A=> 13:05 UA685 73J San Francisco
=>D 14:05 UA887 73J San Francisco
A=> 14:54 UA2008 73J Chicago

Gate 79
A=> 13:00 WS23 76W London Gatwick

Gate 80
A=> 11:14 WS1701 73W Los Angeles
=>D 12:45 WS1774 73W San Francisco
A=> 13:27 UA323 73J Denver
=>D 15:00 UA381 73J Denver

Gate 81
A=> 12:47 AA1264 73H Dallas Ft Wrth
=>D 13:20 AA1189 73H Dallas Ft Wrth
A=> 13:21 AA506 319 Phoenix
=>D 14:30 AA500 319 Phoenix

Gate 82
=>D 14:15 AC554 320 Los Angeles

Gate 83
=>D 11:10 AC1898 319 Las Vegas
=>D 13:40 WS1726 73H Palm Springs
A=> 14:29 WS1697 73H Los Angeles

Gate 84
=>D 12:05 AC538 319 Anchorage
=>D 13:40 AC566 320 San Francisco
A=> 14:08 AC563 319 San Francisco
=>D 14:55 AC534 319 Chicago

Gate 86
=>D 11:05 WS1754 73W Orange County
A=> 11:45 DL2916 319 Minneapolis
=>D 13:00 DL2915 319 Minneapolis
A=> 13:41 AA6063 E75 Los Angeles
=>D 14:22 AA6063 E75 Los Angeles

Gate 87
=>D 11:05 AC552 320 Los Angeles
A=> 11:47 DL1805 739 Atlanta
=>D 13:05 DL2450 739 Atlanta
A=> 14:01 AC8115 CR9 San Jose
=>D 14:40 AC8110 CR9 Denver

Gate 88
A=> 12:20 DL2929 319 Los Angeles
=>D 14:02 DL2928 319 Los Angeles
A=> 14:31 DL5818 E75 Seattle

Gate 90
=>D 11:20 DL4821 E75 Seattle
A=> 12:27 DL4684 CR9 Salt Lake City
=>D 13:07 DL4685 CR9 Salt Lake City
A=> 13:55 AC8229 CR9 Phoenix
=>D 14:30 AC8114 CR9 San Jose

Gate 92
=>D 13:10 AC8626 CR9 Dallas Ft Wrth

Gate 93
=>D 13:10 AC8668 CR9 San Diego

Gate 94
A=> 12:49 AC8092 DH4 Seattle
=>D 13:30 AC8125 DH4 Portland

Gate 95
A=> 11:31 AC8118 DH4 Portland
=>D 12:55 AC8097 DH4 Seattle

Gate 96
A=> 13:51 AS2242 DH4 Seattle
=>D 14:31 AS2267 DH4 Seattle

Unassigned
=>D 11:58 AS702 73J Seattle
A=> 13:53 AC8888 CR9 Whitehorse

Note: the list is sorted by scheduled time, but all time shown are estimated time... so they may not seems to be in order...


Where do you get this from?

Gordon
Jun 9, 2017, 10:00 PM
We Still have AC Boston & HK airlines ro start prior to the end of the month.

nname
Jun 9, 2017, 10:17 PM
Where do you get this from?

Raw data from here (http://www.yvr.ca/_api/Flights), then my own script to parse it.

jollyburger
Jun 10, 2017, 12:20 AM
Is there any rule of thumb on how to know which direction planes arriving and departing YVR come in?

casper
Jun 10, 2017, 1:37 AM
Appears the YVRAA might need the services of a call to gate system. I know of a Canadian airport that over bought technology and might be looking for a new forever home for CtG. :notacrook:

There must be an old hanger at YYC somewhere where the CtG technology can be put into storage. Once in storage it quickly be forgotten until it is old enough to be tossed out.

excel
Jun 10, 2017, 2:08 AM
Is there any rule of thumb on how to know which direction planes arriving and departing YVR come in?

Wind direction. If the wind is out of the west they will land westbound on 26R and take off westbound on 26L. If wind is out of the east they will land eastbound on 08L and take off eastbound on 08R.

jacobparry
Jun 12, 2017, 6:21 PM
https://www.businesstraveller.com/business-travel/2017/06/12/skyteam-open-vancouver-lounge/

"Skyteam has announced plans to open a branded lounge at Vancouver International airport later this year.

The facility will be the alliance’s first branded lounge in North America, and seventh worldwide, joining spaces at Heathrow, Beijing, Dubai, Hong Kong, Istanbul and Sydney.

The lounge at Vancouver will offer “a luxurious environment for First, Business and Elite Plus customers flying on any of the alliance’s nine member airlines currently serving the airport” – carriers which include Aeromexico, China Airlines, China Eastern, China Southern, Delta, KLM, Korean Air and Xiamen Air."

excel
Jun 12, 2017, 6:51 PM
Joining some of the big boy airports.

twoNeurons
Jun 12, 2017, 7:35 PM
Paine Field is south of Everett and takes about an hour longer to get to compared to Bellingham.

I think Paine Field has the potential to cause real pain to BLI. BLI relies on Canadian traffic and local Bellingham users. Paine field will have the advantage of a much larger population center ( everything North of Seattle ) and it's only an hour extra for Bellingham residents. With the Canadian Dollar the way it is, BLI is less attractive... although you do save on international fees.

whatnext
Jun 12, 2017, 7:45 PM
I think Paine Field has the potential to cause real pain to BLI. BLI relies on Canadian traffic and local Bellingham users. Paine field will have the advantage of a much larger population center ( everything North of Seattle ) and it's only an hour extra for Bellingham residents. With the Canadian Dollar the way it is, BLI is less attractive... although you do save on international fees.

BLI has been whacked big time by the drop in Cdn dollar:
Last year, 417,930 people flew out of the Bellingham airport, down eight per cent from 2015 and a five-year low. Between 2014 and 2015, the airport recorded a 16 per cent drop.
http://vancouversun.com/business/local-business/bellingham-airport-numbers-dip-due-to-weak-canadian-dollar

deasine
Jun 12, 2017, 8:54 PM
https://www.businesstraveller.com/business-travel/2017/06/12/skyteam-open-vancouver-lounge/

"Skyteam has announced plans to open a branded lounge at Vancouver International airport later this year.

The facility will be the alliance’s first branded lounge in North America, and seventh worldwide, joining spaces at Heathrow, Beijing, Dubai, Hong Kong, Istanbul and Sydney.

The lounge at Vancouver will offer “a luxurious environment for First, Business and Elite Plus customers flying on any of the alliance’s nine member airlines currently serving the airport” – carriers which include Aeromexico, China Airlines, China Eastern, China Southern, Delta, KLM, Korean Air and Xiamen Air."

Does anyone know where they are doing this? I can only think of the old Cathay Pacific space but I would have thought Air Canada would takeover with a double storey offer given how busy their lounge is already.

nname
Jun 12, 2017, 9:03 PM
The lounge at Vancouver will offer “a luxurious environment for First, Business and Elite Plus customers flying on any of the alliance’s nine member airlines currently serving the airport” – carriers which include Aeromexico, China Airlines, China Eastern, China Southern, Delta, KLM, Korean Air and Xiamen Air."

And they missed Air France :???:

thenoflyzone
Jun 12, 2017, 10:50 PM
https://www.businesstraveller.com/business-travel/2017/06/12/skyteam-open-vancouver-lounge/
nine member airlines currently serving the airport” – carriers which include Aeromexico, China Airlines, China Eastern, China Southern, Delta, KLM, Korean Air and Xiamen Air."

...and Air France.

Guess Mark Caswell didn't bother to count.

With nine airlines, makes sense to have such a lounge at YVR. YUL has less skyteam metal, and AF operates a lounge here.

LeftCoaster
Jun 12, 2017, 10:53 PM
he got the 9 part right, just forgot to double check he had em all.

trofirhen
Jun 13, 2017, 1:26 AM
When WestJet goes big (and the route map on the picture on the wall looks pretty big) it will be Canada's other gateway airline, with the present configuration of YYZ as the biggest hub,
followed by YVR, then YYC, then YUL, it seems (rather the status quo). YVR - according to the map - would have greater Oceania presence, and flights to Lima and Santiago. YYZ looks dense. It, too, would have nonstops to second-tier cities like Chengdu, plus, it would seem, Europe galore.
I wonder WJ will remain independent or join an alliance. Company officials have been heard quoting that it will not join or codeshare with *A, so, as direct competition to AC might they go Skyteam, maybe One World? CP / Canadian was Oneworld, very briefly, as everyone knows. Ideas on all this? I'm keen to see WJ go big-time, and kick ass.

spaceprobe
Jun 13, 2017, 6:20 AM
When WestJet goes big (and the route map on the picture on the wall looks pretty big) it will be Canada's other gateway airline, with the present configuration of YYZ as the biggest hub,
followed by YVR, then YYC, then YUL, it seems (rather the status quo). YVR - according to the map - would have greater Oceania presence, and flights to Lima and Santiago. YYZ looks dense. It, too, would have nonstops to second-tier cities like Chengdu, plus, it would seem, Europe galore.
I wonder WJ will remain independent or join an alliance. Company officials have been heard quoting that it will not join or codeshare with *A, so, as direct competition to AC might they go Skyteam, maybe One World? CP / Canadian was Oneworld, very briefly, as everyone knows. Ideas on all this? I'm keen to see WJ go big-time, and kick ass.

From that map 2 pages back...it looks like Chengdu (the city furthest left in China) is linked to Vancouver, not to Toronto. Delhi is also linked to Vancouver.
In any case, I wonder how realistic their map is.

trofirhen
Jun 13, 2017, 8:19 AM
From that map 2 pages back...it looks like Chengdu (the city furthest left in China) is linked to Vancouver, not to Toronto. Delhi is also linked to Vancouver.
In any case, I wonder how realistic their map is.

You're right about Chengdu. It's HK that has two "prongs" going into it.
The map, which I am sure is a tentative and not concrete version of where the new WJ will want to fly is nevertheless impressive.
It very much seems to overlap AC. Both airlines would be trying to take bites out of much the same market. WJ goal, of course, will be to undercut AC and make them bleed badly

Hot Rod
Jun 13, 2017, 8:07 PM
When WestJet goes big (and the route map on the picture on the wall looks pretty big) it will be Canada's other gateway airline, with the present configuration of YYZ as the biggest hub,
followed by YVR, then YYC, then YUL, it seems (rather the status quo). YVR - according to the map - would have greater Oceania presence, and flights to Lima and Santiago. YYZ looks dense. It, too, would have nonstops to second-tier cities like Chengdu, plus, it would seem, Europe galore.
I wonder WJ will remain independent or join an alliance. Company officials have been heard quoting that it will not join or codeshare with *A, so, as direct competition to AC might they go Skyteam, maybe One World? CP / Canadian was Oneworld, very briefly, as everyone knows. Ideas on all this? I'm keen to see WJ go big-time, and kick ass.

This is why Oneworld was originally based in Vancouver (prior to moving to the current NYC). I believe there was a question about this long ago asking why they were based here - if you consider the bold, Oneworld was likely initiated in Vancouver with CP/Canadian leading the way. ...

Gordon
Jun 14, 2017, 5:48 PM
Both AC YVR Boston (around 8:30 AM & the seasonal UA YVR - EWR (1:00 PM)start next week

nname
Jun 14, 2017, 11:29 PM
Both AC YVR Boston (around 8:30 AM & the seasonal UA YVR - EWR (1:00 PM)start next week

I guess next week we'll see Gate E85 in action?

Gordon
Jun 15, 2017, 12:24 AM
We may also see some mainline traffic through gates E90- 92.

trofirhen
Jun 15, 2017, 2:36 AM
This is why Oneworld was originally based in Vancouver (prior to moving to the current NYC). I believe there was a question about this long ago asking why they were based here - if you consider the bold, Oneworld was likely initiated in Vancouver with CP/Canadian leading the way. ...

... and that's something to remember, and be proud of.:tup:

Cage
Jun 15, 2017, 9:25 PM
This is why Oneworld was originally based in Vancouver (prior to moving to the current NYC). I believe there was a question about this long ago asking why they were based here - if you consider the bold, Oneworld was likely initiated in Vancouver with CP/Canadian leading the way. ...

OneWorld was based in YVR because it offered the easiest connection opportunities for member airlines HQ and because CP had extra space that could be cheaply utilized. YVR/Canada also had the advantage of not having a dog in the airline competition fight like what was experienced at the FCC and European counterpart. .

Gordon
Jun 16, 2017, 2:22 PM
AC yvr - ORD has been upguaged from an E175 to an A 319.

Do \ can main line jets use gates E90 - 92 OR just regionals?

Lancaster
Jun 17, 2017, 4:36 AM
AC yvr - ORD has been upguaged from an E175 to an A 319.

Do \ can main line jets use gates E90 - 92 OR just regionals?

The biggest aircraft size on 90-92 was recently changed I think to fit bigger planes. Though it would be quite uncomfortable to board mainline aircraft from those gates...

Marshal
Jun 17, 2017, 7:08 AM
The mighty Lancaster - a favorite. How does the saying go? "A Lancaster is 20,000 rivets flying in tight formation." Something like that. Anyway, welcome to the forum!

Gordon
Jun 17, 2017, 7:03 PM
More and more Gates 90 - 96 are overflow gates AC operaes as much of its Turbo prop & rj flights out of the main part of the trans boarder terminal

Doe any one have any idea what the timelines are for for the D pier Expansion & the construction of Pier F are?

teriyaki
Jun 18, 2017, 11:35 PM
According to an airline forum, Alaska Airlines will be dropping their BLI-LAS flights in November.

More signs that YVR is holding its own and trans-border traffic has basically fallen off a cliff since the dollar went topsy-turvy on us.

stiffdeadman
Jun 19, 2017, 4:04 AM
According to an airline forum, Alaska Airlines will be dropping their BLI-LAS flights in November.

More signs that YVR is holding its own and trans-border traffic has basically fallen off a cliff since the dollar went topsy-turvy on us.

unfortunately could see this coming. flew the route last december a week before xmas. planes were maybe 60-65% full. seats going for $89 in economy. only $150 first class coming back. i jumped all over that. guess i'll have to drive down to seattle. still cheaper as there is lots of competition on the route and hotels are dirt cheap when booking through M life.

jmt18325
Jun 19, 2017, 4:08 AM
Westjet vacations has LAS flight/hotel packages for $300 per person for 3 nights from Vancouver - that's pretty hard to beat.

mezzanine
Jun 19, 2017, 4:12 AM
According to an airline forum, Alaska Airlines will be dropping their BLI-LAS flights in November.

More signs that YVR is holding its own and trans-border traffic has basically fallen off a cliff since the dollar went topsy-turvy on us.

the commentary was also interesting. It will be interesting to see what happens to BLI when the AS terminal at paine field opens in 2018.

On the flip side, the post also mentions AC is increasing winter flights from SEA to YVR from 4/d to 5/d. love that SEA connecting traffic... :cheers:

flipper316
Jun 19, 2017, 5:02 AM
guess BLI shouldn't have spent all that money expanding the parking lots. what a dumb move that was.

twoNeurons
Jun 19, 2017, 3:49 PM
BLI is a great airport to fly with Alaskan to Hawaii. It's nice not having to go down to Seattle or connect there.

Also, one of the best deals to fly with Avios. :tup:

SpongeG
Jun 19, 2017, 4:15 PM
did y'all catch that alaska is going to start flying out of everett in 2018?

my friend goes to las vegas a few times a year and always flies out of bellingham, i think with allegiant though

twoNeurons
Jun 19, 2017, 6:23 PM
Look at that "Potential WestJet route map" Any way of posting it here for a clearer view of it?
If not where could I find it? Tried Google, but couldn't.

Ask and you shall receive:
http://i.imgur.com/sz3E4ds.jpg

Here's the whole presentation:
https://www.boardoftrade.com/files/events/2017/westjet/final-gregg-saretsky-westjet-presentation.pdf

excel
Jun 19, 2017, 8:12 PM
Lima and Santiago :) Long ways away likely though.

trofirhen
Jun 19, 2017, 8:15 PM
Ask and you shall receive:
http://i.imgur.com/sz3E4ds.jpg

Here's the whole presentation:
https://www.boardoftrade.com/files/events/2017/westjet/final-gregg-saretsky-westjet-presentation.pdf

Thank you! I hope other people will click on the link. Page 24 especially.

excel
Jun 19, 2017, 8:23 PM
Awesome how much focus both AC and WS are putting into YVR.

Gordon
Jun 19, 2017, 9:24 PM
It sure is. hopefully the first phase of terminal expansion is complete by the time West Jet starts their Asian services.

twoNeurons
Jun 19, 2017, 10:48 PM
I'm curious how their ULCC will affect current business. I'm sure some routes like YVR-LAS will be given to the ULCC... and i bet a lot of this WJ traffic goes to YXX. Sadly, this could be devastating to New Leaf. I kind of want New Leaf to be successful. More competition.

jmt18325
Jun 19, 2017, 10:51 PM
A lot of Westjet traffic really can't go to YXX - there are like 3 gates.

As for that map - I really doubt some of those. If Air Canada couldn't make somewhere like Istanbul or Rio work, I am seriously doubting that Westjet can.

connect2source
Jun 19, 2017, 10:56 PM
How much O & D traffic does Westjet think there is between YVR and Rarotonga? They also need to learn how to spell Dusseldorf.

Hourglass
Jun 19, 2017, 11:13 PM
How much O & D traffic does Westjet think there is between YVR and Rarotonga? They also need to learn how to spell Dusseldorf.

Actually they're not wrong. Düsseldorf = Duesseldorf.

Brings back memories of my German lessons...

trofirhen
Jun 19, 2017, 11:23 PM
How much O & D traffic does Westjet think there is between YVR and Rarotonga? ...

Apparently, it's a very popular tourist destination:
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
The Cook Islands' Parliament buildings and international airport are on Rarotonga. Because it is the most populous island, Cook Islanders may often be referred to as Rarotongan, but they may come from one of the other 14 islands in the group, such as Aitutaki or Mangaia. Rarotonga is a very popular tourist destination with many resorts, hotels and motels. The chief town, Avarua, on the north coast, is the capital of the Cook Islands.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rarotonga

(... that might be why; just guessing)

nname
Jun 19, 2017, 11:45 PM
A lot of Westjet traffic really can't go to YXX - there are like 3 gates.

And only 1 jetbridge (gate 3)

Gate 1 use stairs
Gate 2 is for prop planes

And probably only gate 3 can be used for international departure/arrival as it connects to the custom facility and duty-free

jmt18325
Jun 20, 2017, 1:39 AM
And only 1 jetbridge (gate 3)

Gate 1 use stairs
Gate 2 is for prop planes

And probably only gate 3 can be used for international departure/arrival as it connects to the custom facility and duty-free

That is all correct - I just flew YWG-YXX and back last weekend. Westjet was on gate 3 (the international gate). The Flair flight to YWG was at gate 1 using the stairs.

CareerShow
Jun 20, 2017, 6:56 AM
Did Air Canada shut down its Crew Base for E90's in Vancouver? And do we have any Air Canada crew types based out of here? And what about Westjet?

nname
Jun 20, 2017, 8:09 AM
According Airlineroute (http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/273404/air-canada-w17-taipei-service-changes/), AC's YVR-TPE flight will be reduced to 5-6x weekly over the winter season:

29OCT17 – 30NOV17 5 weekly (Day x25)
01DEC17 – 08FEB18 6 weekly (Day x2)
09FEB18 – 23MAR18 5 weekly (Day x25)

Seems like I need to change my plan for my November trip now.... :uhh:


And according to Taiwanese media, the LF for the route so far is over 90%

POCO
Jun 20, 2017, 9:05 AM
Seems like I need to change my plan for my November trip now.... :uhh:



Look at Hong Kong Airlines to HKG or connecting to TPE. I've seen some pretty decent fares recently.

lubicon
Jun 20, 2017, 6:09 PM
Did Air Canada shut down its Crew Base for E90's in Vancouver? And do we have any Air Canada crew types based out of here? And what about Westjet?

Not sure about Air Canada but WestJet has a pilot base (737) and Jazz does as well (Q400) at YVR.

twoNeurons
Jun 20, 2017, 6:22 PM
A lot of Westjet traffic really can't go to YXX - there are like 3 gates.

As for that map - I really doubt some of those. If Air Canada couldn't make somewhere like Istanbul or Rio work, I am seriously doubting that Westjet can.

3 gates should be able to handle a few ULCC flights per day. They've ordered 10 High-capacity 737s. I'm sure they'll repurpose some of the shorter YXX flights that WestJet currently has
Today's flights:

WestJet 158 Edmonton 9:00 AM Departed 9:00 AM
WestJet 3306 Calgary 9:15 AM Departed 9:15 AM
NewLeaf 850 Edmonton 9:20 AM Departed 9:20 AM
WestJet 140 Edmonton 10:40 AM On Time 10:40 AM
WestJet 332 Winnipeg 1:10 PM On Time 1:10 PM
WestJet 122 Calgary 2:10 PM On Time 2:10 PM
Island Exp 004 Vancouver, Victoria, Nanaimo, Comox 4:30 PM On Time 4:30 PM
WestJet 190 Calgary 5:05 PM On Time 5:05 PM
WestJet 106 Calgary 8:10 PM On Time 8:10 PM
WestJet 496 Edmonton 8:25 PM On Time 8:25 PM


They could easily take one of those WestJet planes going to YYC/YEG and move it to a different route out of YVR, and replace it at YXX with their new ULCC. This solidifies YXX as the discount airport of choice for Metro Vancouver residents who will have fewer and fewer reasons to cross the border and use BLI.

ULCCs also usually prefer not to use Jetbridges as airports charge more for their use, if I'm not mistaken. As many of their customers are flying with just a personal item, not even carry-on, it's less important to be able to roll luggage onto the plane. It also allows them to more easily load from the front and back doors (something Alaska does at BLI).

I found an interesting little report from BLI regarding their plans for growth: http://www.portofbellingham.com/DocumentCenter/View/6708

They anticipate a drop when Paine field opens, but not long-term, as that airport has limited long-term capacity ( 2 gates ).

I charted their forecast here:
http://i.imgur.com/7tYM0Zc.png

Some interesting tidbits. It's clear that YVR very competitive right now with BLI, for almost all flights except Las Vegas, which is Allegiant's hub.

YXX, however, is the most expensive to fly out of. As such, a ULCC would make it more competitive. Interestingly, some US destinations are cheaper out of YVR than out of SEA!

YXX also has a 9000' runway capable of landing most planes.

Here's the numbers if you want to see it for yourself and play with the data.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UFkEwz53Q9sYjhIu0MIUWQmmgWagWRtMWLt_fOHh05M/edit?usp=sharing

excel
Jun 20, 2017, 7:09 PM
Not sure about Air Canada but WestJet has a pilot base (737) and Jazz does as well (Q400) at YVR.

AC has a319/320, 777, 787 pilot bases at YVR. They will be basing 737 pilots here as well when they begin flying them later this year.

Gordon
Jun 20, 2017, 8:07 PM
why did AC switch from the Embraers to the RJ705s in Vancouver.

I suspect it will be a while before BLI attracts the numbers of Vancouver pax with par or near par dollar not likely for a while.

How close is the current terminal to capacity?

thenoflyzone
Jun 20, 2017, 11:18 PM
why did AC switch from the Embraers to the RJ705s in Vancouver.



I heard the Embraer's have issues clearing the Canadian Rockies on single engine.

Gordon
Jun 21, 2017, 12:21 AM
Wpould those have been better plans for the new transboarder routes?

Johnny Aussie
Jun 21, 2017, 2:23 AM
"Major Announcement" at YVR tomorrow 10:00am.

Live feed on Facebook....

excel
Jun 21, 2017, 2:46 AM
Terminal construction start maybe?

Cage
Jun 21, 2017, 3:41 AM
The announcement primer mentions Musequem First Nations band, so this makes me think this will be about an art piece or exhibit coming to YVR.

I will be dissapointed if this is in relation to the terminal or whole airport naming rights.

Gordon
Jun 21, 2017, 4:00 AM
The D pier expansion is supposed to have a First Nations theme.

If it is the D pier announcement . I wonder how long it will take the 1st couple of gates in service?

CareerShow
Jun 21, 2017, 4:38 AM
I heard the Embraer's have issues clearing the Canadian Rockies on single engine.

Are the CRA 705 any better over the rockies? Also I remember reading AC was disappointed with the E90 performance, hence why they are being phased out only 10 years into their lifespan.

casper
Jun 21, 2017, 11:53 AM
Are the CRA 705 any better over the rockies? Also I remember reading AC was disappointed with the E90 performance, hence why they are being phased out only 10 years into their lifespan.

The version of the story I have been told is the E75 have a single engine performance issue that results in them not meeting minimum AC requirements for operating over certain parts of the Rockies. To simplify things AC decided to only fly their very small fleet of E75 east of Calgary. The reason an AC E75 has never come to Vancouver. The E75 were recently all moved form AC operated to being operated by a regional carrier (not Jazz) that is based in eastern Canada.

The E90 are fairly regular on routes in and out of Vancouver. Given the number of aircraft at AC has been going down they reached the point where it made sense to only have a single base. Many of the old E90 routes (such as YYC-YVR) tend to have A32x these days.

mezzanine
Jun 21, 2017, 3:33 PM
The announcement primer mentions Musequem First Nations band, so this makes me think this will be about an art piece or exhibit coming to YVR.

I will be dissapointed if this is in relation to the terminal or whole airport naming rights.

It is national aboriginal day, so my guess is something important related to that, perhaps a land-use/land claim agreement. Less likely, but possibly a naming announcement. something like terminal groundbreaking or an art announcement would be farther down the list.

CareerShow
Jun 21, 2017, 3:41 PM
The version of the story I have been told is the E75 have a single engine performance issue that results in them not meeting minimum AC requirements for operating over certain parts of the Rockies. To simplify things AC decided to only fly their very small fleet of E75 east of Calgary. The reason an AC E75 has never come to Vancouver. The E75 were recently all moved form AC operated to being operated by a regional carrier (not Jazz) that is based in eastern Canada.

The E90 are fairly regular on routes in and out of Vancouver. Given the number of aircraft at AC has been going down they reached the point where it made sense to only have a single base. Many of the old E90 routes (such as YYC-YVR) tend to have A32x these days.

Yea makes sense. Although ac no longer flies a single e90 out of yvr, all routes have been converted to the a320 family or cra. It's amazing to think just four years ago there were only Vegas, la, and sfo, pdx, and sea as transborder routes with only E90 as the largest aircraft type, as well as only syd, Seoul, Tokyo, Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, and London, with Hong Kong not daily in the winter, London downgraded to a a333, and the other four Asian destinations all 763 (which actually now may be the most comfortable aircraft type)

officedweller
Jun 21, 2017, 6:43 PM
Jet Fuel Pipeline project underway:

https://www.biv.com/article/2017/6/new-150-million-jet-fuel-pipeline-project-underway/

Gordon
Jun 21, 2017, 6:58 PM
That's not suprising, good to see that project has started. It will be interesting to see when construction starts on the terminal expansion.

trofirhen
Jun 21, 2017, 9:06 PM
All of this is very interesting, as it illustrates an aspect of the expansion of YVR. As you say, the terminal should be gotten on with, more airlines have come in over the last few years,
and finally, Air Canada seems to be making Vancouver into a hub, and far less an appendage of YYZ, in order to connect. The airport is entering a different "league."
Which league? You tell me.

excel
Jun 21, 2017, 9:23 PM
All of this is very interesting, as it illustrates an aspect of the expansion of YVR. As you say, the terminal should be gotten on with, more airlines have come in over the last few years,
and finally, Air Canada seems to be making Vancouver into a hub, and far less an appendage of YYZ, in order to connect. The airport is entering a different "league."
Which league? You tell me.

YVR is an Air Canada hub.

trofirhen
Jun 21, 2017, 10:06 PM
YVR is an Air Canada hub.

That's true. Calin Rovinescu kept his word on making YVR into one. With the other airlines that fly here, and our roster of destinations, what category or class is YVR in? Mini-hub? ....

jollyburger
Jun 22, 2017, 5:49 AM
New agreement for YVR and the Musqueam.

The Vancouver International Airport says it will give one per cent of its annual gross revenue for the next 30 years to the Musqueam Indian Band as part of an agreement signed Thursday.

Under the Sustainability and Friendship Agreement, the Musqueam will receive $5 million in airport revenue this year.

The Musqueam will also receive 10 scholarships per year worth $10,000 each for its members to attend schools and training programs.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-international-airport-and-musqueam-first-nation-sign-30-year-agreement-1.4171811

Gordon
Jun 23, 2017, 5:32 PM
AC up guaged ord from Embraer E190 to A 319 on its flights to ORD

The YVR App is a bit out of date The map doesn't show the new A gates of the bus - hard stand gates.

thenoflyzone
Jun 24, 2017, 3:15 PM
Yea makes sense. Although ac no longer flies a single e90 out of yvr, all routes have been converted to the a320 family or cra.

And conversely, YOW-YYZ is now almost exclusively E190, where it used to be A320 territory last year. AC has traded capacity for frequency on that route.

whatnext
Jun 25, 2017, 1:46 PM
New agreement for YVR and the Musqueam.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-international-airport-and-musqueam-first-nation-sign-30-year-agreement-1.4171811

A cunning and strategic move from YVR to head off possible privatization of Canada's airports (https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/03/06/liberals-drive-to-privatize-canadian-airports-lifts-off.html).

SpongeG
Jun 25, 2017, 8:41 PM
Harveys and the pub in domestic arrivals have both shut down. Looks like its been a while but i never venture down there.

wave46
Jun 25, 2017, 8:59 PM
And conversely, YOW-YYZ is now almost exclusively E190, where it used to be A320 territory last year. AC has traded capacity for frequency on that route.

I think AC has a bunch of fairly new E190s that had relatively few cycles on them. So, the planes could take frequent short-haul cycles between YOW and YYZ without requiring a bunch of maintenance. Even then, the E190s are Boeing's problem after they get their new 737s, so might as well pound on them with intensive use while they can.

The A320s that AC has are coming close to 30 years old now and I imagine that AC is trying to keep them flying until the 737 MAX can take over with the minimum of maintenance. Using them for cross-country flights cuts down on the number of 'cycles' they see on a daily basis - one of the key requirements for maintenance.

It's the difference between using a car for a bunch of discrete short trips around a city and doing a highway trip of the same number of kilometers. The short trips are harder on the equipment.

jmt18325
Jun 26, 2017, 12:48 AM
I don't think the remaining E190s are Boeing's problem. They already sold Air Canada's 20 oldest for them as part of the deal and arranged for additional A321s to compensate.

casper
Jun 26, 2017, 5:23 AM
I don't think the remaining E190s are Boeing's problem. They already sold Air Canada's 20 oldest for them as part of the deal and arranged for additional A321s to compensate.

Normally I would think selling them to Delta would be good bet, Delta buys almost anything that is old. However I think they have already passed on the idea of having E190s when the purchased all thouse used 717 and new C-series. There are not a lot of operators of the E190 is large volume.

If these last remaining ones are not on a lease, AC may have them for a long time.

mezzanine
Jun 28, 2017, 5:07 AM
qantas back at YVR for the summer.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDM_8eWV0AEH6fD.jpg

https://twitter.com/yvrairport

Waders
Jun 28, 2017, 5:20 AM
Love this YVR video (https://twitter.com/yvrairport/status/879482913745534976) about the HK Airlines' inaugural flight from Hong Kong to Vancouver on June 30. :)

Gordon
Jun 28, 2017, 12:37 PM
Yes good video.

It seems that YvR is doing some sort of work on gates E90-92. E91 is back in service E90 is out of service.

The map on the app needs to be updated so it shows all the bridged gate & gates A6 & A7

vanlaw
Jun 28, 2017, 3:18 PM
A cunning and strategic move from YVR to head off possible privatization of Canada's airports (https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/03/06/liberals-drive-to-privatize-canadian-airports-lifts-off.html).

My first thought too. Good move.

MalcolmTucker
Jun 28, 2017, 4:47 PM
A cunning and strategic move from YVR to head off possible privatization of Canada's airports (https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/03/06/liberals-drive-to-privatize-canadian-airports-lifts-off.html).
How so? They are preserving their business by ensuring if a land claim is successful there, that they have a good relationship with probably new landlords.

SFUVancouver
Jun 28, 2017, 7:00 PM
qantas back at YVR for the summer.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDM_8eWV0AEH6fD.jpg

https://twitter.com/yvrairport

Great photo. Nice to see a classic 744 back in town.

casper
Jun 29, 2017, 3:50 AM
How so? They are preserving their business by ensuring if a land claim is successful there, that they have a good relationship with probably new landlords.

There turning land ownership into a complex problem that no one will want to touch.

A private purchaser is going to want to ensure it have clear title. The government is going to look at it as a complex can of worms that the YVR people have solved with the local first nations community. It can ignore the issue and leave things along, or it can accept the political risk of opening it up.

LeftCoaster
Jun 29, 2017, 5:29 PM
Probably not too surprising but Air China keeping the 77HD on YVR-PEK for the winter months as well. Should be a decent bump in capacity on the route:

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/273567/air-china-w17-international-service-changes-as-of-29jun17/

Canadian74
Jun 29, 2017, 5:32 PM
What's the config of the 777HD?