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LeftCoaster
Jun 29, 2017, 5:38 PM
J36 y356

And my apologies it's referred to as a 77W by Air China, not an HD.

aberdeen5698
Jun 29, 2017, 11:12 PM
For those of you who are Airbus A380 fans you might be interested the following video I put together from clips taken at YVR over a few days these last couple of weeks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQGq_fck6ds

jmt18325
Jun 30, 2017, 2:34 AM
Normally I would think selling them to Delta would be good bet, Delta buys almost anything that is old. However I think they have already passed on the idea of having E190s when the purchased all thouse used 717 and new C-series. There are not a lot of operators of the E190 is large volume.

If these last remaining ones are not on a lease, AC may have them for a long time.

Delta in fact bought 19 of the 20 E190s that Air Canada sold to Boeing. They then promptly sold them.

Johnny Aussie
Jun 30, 2017, 4:56 AM
HX 80 has pushed back at Chek Lap Kok...

HX's Inaugural HKG - YVR is on its way!

And Finally airborne! ETA is 1050 ~ 40 mins late...

And......Happy 150th Bday Canada!

Johnny Aussie
Jun 30, 2017, 10:21 AM
Just booked....

MEL-YVR-YYZ-YUL-YVR-MEL for XMAS flights.

Very fortunate to have a direct link between my two homes...

I knew it was going to happen (I even had the scoop on the flight numbers)

Timing is everyhing....

wave46
Jun 30, 2017, 1:18 PM
I don't think the remaining E190s are Boeing's problem. They already sold Air Canada's 20 oldest for them as part of the deal and arranged for additional A321s to compensate.

My mistake then. I thought Boeing was taking all of them when AC bought their 737s.

The E190 doesn't get a lot of love from airlines, it would seem.

red-paladin
Jul 1, 2017, 6:12 AM
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/british-columbia/jackie-chan-yvr-hong-kong-airlines-1.4186957

mezzanine
Jul 1, 2017, 3:08 PM
/gratuitous

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=35243&d=1498876946

source: Tracon at http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=35243&d=1498876946

aberdeen5698
Jul 1, 2017, 6:07 PM
/gratuitous
That's a great shot. Interesting to see that cute "little" American amongst all the heavies.

Johnny Aussie
Jul 2, 2017, 11:49 AM
AC's seasonal YVR-DEL route will commence earlier this year and will increase to 5 flights per week.

trofirhen
Jul 2, 2017, 1:25 PM
AC's seasonal YVR-DEL route will commence earlier this year and will increase to 5 flights per week.

I wonder if / when that will ever go to year-round? Vancouver certainly has the market base for it.

excel
Jul 2, 2017, 7:45 PM
Great news for the route. I think we'll see daily seasonal before we see year round, but I imagine both are in the cards down the road.

Johnny Aussie
Jul 4, 2017, 2:26 AM
Great news for the route. I think we'll see daily seasonal before we see year round, but I imagine both are in the cards down the road.

Agreed. This is a VERY seasonal route. Moving it to 5 per week is a huge vote of confidence too.

Johnny Aussie
Jul 4, 2017, 6:16 PM
http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/facts-sheets/2017/may/traffic-update-_may-2017.pdf?la=en

Look at those international numbers! YVR becoming majority international each month now.

Highlights:

Overall up 9.1% to 1,996,395

Domestic up 5.3% to 980,047
Ttl Int'l up 13.1% to 1,016,348

International breakdown:
Transborder up 12.0%
Asia Pacific up 19.3%
Europe up 1.3%
Misc Int'l up 30.9%

nname
Jul 4, 2017, 6:44 PM
AC's seasonal YVR-DEL route will commence earlier this year and will increase to 5 flights per week.

The flight also move to daytime slot

Old
AC44 YVR 2140 - 0020+2 DEL
AC45 DEL 0520 - 0645 YVR

New
AC44 YVR 1130 - 1410+1 DEL
AC45 DEL 1620 - 1815 YVR

The first few flights still got the old time though

SpongeG
Jul 4, 2017, 8:14 PM
snapped these june 24th

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19424147_10158771835325004_4714795345513859882_n.jpg?oh=f9f39ecf29bcb133c126d7cbe199b86e&oe=59C8B5DD

I heard a few people commenting on this new zealand one, one was like oh wow you can fly to New Zealand from here.
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19424024_10158771835950004_2673558697961544319_n.jpg?oh=95ffdfe7df4ff43f6243e0518f92f469&oe=59D73421

Canadian74
Jul 4, 2017, 9:15 PM
The flight also move to daytime slot

Old
AC44 YVR 2140 - 0020+2 DEL
AC45 DEL 0520 - 0645 YVR

New
AC44 YVR 1130 - 1410+1 DEL
AC45 DEL 1620 - 1815 YVR

The first few flights still got the old time though

Weird timings, is the YYZ flight getting new times too?

nname
Jul 4, 2017, 9:32 PM
Weird timings, is the YYZ flight getting new times too?

YYZ doesn't change (except for the operating date change for BOM flights from x357 to x246)

Perhaps people don't like the 5:20am departure time from DEL...

LeftCoaster
Jul 4, 2017, 10:22 PM
For those of you who are Airbus A380 fans you might be interested the following video I put together from clips taken at YVR over a few days these last couple of weeks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQGq_fck6ds

Thanks, that was a great video, fantastic resolution, what did you use?

MEL-YVR-YYZ-YUL-YVR-MEL for XMAS flights.

Very fortunate to have a direct link between my two homes...


I count a few more than two homes! I thought you were a Calgarian?

AC's seasonal YVR-DEL route will commence earlier this year and will increase to 5 flights per week.

That's HUGE! I was worried the fight wasn't doing so well, very happy to see otherwise!

I wanted to support the flight myself, but I flew to India in May so no chance to do so. That and my YVR-DEL roundtrip through Shanghai was $640 all in, so even if it was still flying that would have been a tough sell...

aberdeen5698
Jul 4, 2017, 10:52 PM
Thanks, that was a great video, fantastic resolution, what did you use?
Thanks! As noted in the YouTube description, it was shot on a Panasonic GH3 and a GH5.

SpongeG
Jul 5, 2017, 3:42 AM
an article on what has already been discussed

Competition heats up on Vancouver-Hong Kong route
Airlines seek edge with ultra-modern planes, seat configurations, self-serve bars
By Glen Korstrom | June 30, 2017, 11 a.m.

https://www.biv.com/media/filer_public_thumbnails/filer_public/88/bc/88bc9ae5-e8dd-4d6d-8533-671f903a0f2e/hk_airlines_vancouver.png__0x500_q95_autocrop_crop-smart_subsampling-2_upscale.png
Hong Kong Airlines landed its first flight to North America at Vancouver International Airport after 10 a.m. on June 30 | Vancouver Airport Authority

With more competition on the Vancouver-to-Hong Kong route than ever before, airlines are selecting ultra-modern aircraft and using innovative configurations to lure travellers.

Hong Kong Airlines launched daily non-stop flights between Vancouver and the Chinese special administrative region on June 30. This follows Cathay Pacific upping its number of flights on that route to 17 per week from 14 as of March 28.

Air Canada, the third competitor on this route, has daily flights.

The competition has boosted the number of flights per week on the route by 48% – to 31, compared with the 21 flights offered last summer.

Indeed, flights between Vancouver and the greater Chinese region, including Taipei and mainland China have been rapidly increasing as BIV reported earlier this year.

By July 25, there are scheduled to be 10 airlines operating a total of 104 weekly non-stop flights between Vancouver and those destinations.

Stiffer competition has forced airlines to differentiate their offerings and that is happening on the Vancouver–Hong Kong route.

Cathay Pacific’s strategy has been to use Airbus A350s on the airline’s three new weekly flights. Those planes, making their Vancouver debut, are Airbus’ equivalent of Boeing’s Dreamliner 787s, with both being the most advanced commercial aircraft available.

Not only do both models of aircraft fly faster and higher and offer better fuel efficiency, they also can provide a cabin humidity that makes passengers feel as though the plane were flying much lower – something that reduces jet lag.

“[Airbus A350 planes] are made from a composite material, rather than aluminum, which means that it is lighter,” Cathay Pacific’s senior vice-president for the Americas, Philippe Lacamp, told Business in Vancouver.

“The planes also have reduced emissions.”

While Hong Kong Airlines has some Airbus A350s on order, it plans to use a different class of Airbus plane – A330-200s – on the Vancouver route. The planes are relatively new but not as technologically advanced as the A350 series.

...

https://www.biv.com/media/filer_public/da/dd/dadd1452-5e29-4e44-9a55-c7ae6688fd6c/self-serve_smaller_still.png
(Image: The business class cabin on planes that Hong Kong Airlines flies between Hong Kong and Vancouver have self-serve bars that include beer, wine and spirits | Hong Kong Airlines)

...

https://www.biv.com/article/2017/6/competition-heats-vancouver-hong-kong-route/

Johnny Aussie
Jul 5, 2017, 5:47 AM
I count a few more than two homes! I thought you were a Calgarian?

That's HUGE! I was worried the fight wasn't doing so well, very happy to see otherwise!

I meant Australia and Canada (in general) YVR is my main destination now as all my family have relocated there. YUL is a side trip.

Just curious why you thought the DEL flight wasn't doing well?

trofirhen
Jul 5, 2017, 7:53 AM
I wonder if Vancouver will ever become a five-continent airport?

LeftCoaster
Jul 5, 2017, 9:27 PM
Just curious why you thought the DEL flight wasn't doing well?

Just a few expansion announcements for YYZ-India and no word for YVR. Wasn't so much that I thought it was doing poorly, just was worried it may be.



In other news Edeweiss is upping their Zurich-Vancouver flights next summer to 4xPW.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/273672/edelweiss-schedules-new-trans-atlantic-route-launch-in-2018/

Would still love to see Swiss fly this one, but given the type of traffic I imagine it sees, that is probably a bit of a dream.

Vagabond
Jul 5, 2017, 11:33 PM
I actually REALLY like these new timings. The old schedule pretty much ruled out any connecting traffic - at least - without a nasty overnight layover at DEL (both ways).

Problem is, I've noticed AC is now really trying to push traffic onto its YYZ-BOM flight, which is not particularly convenient to/from YVR. You actually spend more time in the air flying through Toronto than even connecting via London or HK. But I guess AC's most concerned about having passengers spend maximum time on their own metal, which makes sense, but is less convenient for passengers who could otherwise connect to an Indian airline like Jet Airways in Delhi.

Weird timings, is the YYZ flight getting new times too?

Hot Rod
Jul 6, 2017, 8:00 AM
snapped these june 24th

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19424147_10158771835325004_4714795345513859882_n.jpg?oh=f9f39ecf29bcb133c126d7cbe199b86e&oe=59C8B5DD

I heard a few people commenting on this new zealand one, one was like oh wow you can fly to New Zealand from here.
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19424024_10158771835950004_2673558697961544319_n.jpg?oh=95ffdfe7df4ff43f6243e0518f92f469&oe=59D73421

love the ANZ pic :tup:

Marshal
Jul 6, 2017, 8:42 AM
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19424147_10158771835325004_4714795345513859882_n.jpg?oh=f9f39ecf29bcb133c126d7cbe199b86e&oe=59C8B5DD


I have to thank all of you air geeks. Until finding this forum, I never gave much thought to a lot of what you guys talk about. There are many interesting things. For the last year and some I have been in Vienna, and now Zurich, for about 40% of my time. Always Lufthansa, most frequently to Frankfurt first. I would never have thought about what actual aircraft I traveled on. I just made no assumptions. But, now I know better, and I like the feeling that this plane in the photo has (more-or-less) been my bus for most of those trips. Its a beautiful old friend by now, and makes me marvel all the more over its unheralded performance: like, how many million/billion times its fan blades have turned to perfection in keeping me alive. Lots of technology impresses me (hell, I marvel at my mountain bike), but modern aircraft are above and beyond. So thanks again.

dharper
Jul 6, 2017, 8:10 PM
When I am flying, I am always in awe of how the wings shape changes from takeoff-flight-landing. Obviously, someone smarter than me figured that out.

Johnny Aussie
Jul 9, 2017, 1:00 AM
Looks like Air Transat is going to pull LGW between 9 January and 21 March.

Again, goes to show just how seasonal YVR is to Europe in winter.

Call me a skeptic but I was surprised Icelandair has decided to go year-round.
Frequency wise FI replaces TS but with smaller aircraft.

KL/AF maintaining 7 per week - KL 4, AF 3.

LH generally daily dropping to its normal 5-6 per week during the slowest months.

Weekly frequencies between YVR - Europe will range between 28-31 flights per week depending on the week.

Generally, between early January and the end of Feb is the slowest period.

teriyaki
Jul 9, 2017, 7:32 AM
Canada and Thailand sign new open skies agreement!??

Is this the game-changer we were all speculating on for the longest time? It seems to fit the bill.

https://canadianaviationnews.wordpress.com/2017/07/08/expanded-air-transport-agreement-with-thailand-to-provide-more-travel-options-for-canadians/

trofirhen
Jul 9, 2017, 9:28 AM
Canada and Thailand sign new open skies agreement!??

Is this the game-changer we were all speculating on for the longest time? It seems to fit the bill.

https://canadianaviationnews.wordpress.com/2017/07/08/expanded-air-transport-agreement-with-thailand-to-provide-more-travel-options-for-canadians/

This new agreement is very nice, and it extends YVR's reach that much further into Southeast Asia.
But it seems more like an enhancement of what we already have - a considerable one, to be sure, but an enhancement, and not really a "game changer."
Johnny said the new route to be announced as to be a "game-changer" and a "groundbreaker." This new route into Thailand is great to get, but does it qualify as a "groundbreaker"/"gamechanger?" Also, this agreement was signed just recently, it seems, whereas that "game changer/groundbreaker" was established months and months back:
the route and the airline. I'm just guessing deductively of course. You may well be right.

Johnny Aussie
Jul 9, 2017, 12:00 PM
Canada and Thailand sign new open skies agreement!??

Is this the game-changer we were all speculating on for the longest time? It seems to fit the bill.

It sure might be huh? There's been no secret that Thai has mentioned direct flights to YVR and we all know AC has YVR-BKK connected on its 2018 route network possibilities route map. Imagine direct nonstop flights deep into South East Asia... both SIN and BKK also being strong Star Alliance bases.

It's aircraft like the Dreamliner and A350 that are opening up these once uneconomical routes. YVR-MEL is the most recently announced route benefitting from these frames.

Part of route planning is getting the rights to be able to operate such routes. Look how quickly AC increased YVR-BNE to daily as soon as the Canada-Australia cap was raised.

YVR-BKK, YVR-SIN and YVR-SGN are all real possibilities now.

Canadian74
Jul 9, 2017, 4:14 PM
It would be nice to see Thai at YVR but I think they could have already operated the route before this new agreement if they wanted to


Canada keeps expanding air agreements that have no air service to Canada in the first place, like Singapore, Thailand etc but ignore real markets that could use extra frequencies like UAE, etc

nname
Jul 9, 2017, 7:45 PM
It would be nice to see Thai at YVR but I think they could have already operated the route before this new agreement if they wanted to

Nope. The old agreement does not allow a YVR route. It only allows:
1. BKK - (European city) - YYZ/YUL - (US)
2. BKK - (Asia/US city) - YYZ/YUL

Each route can have up to 3x weekly using 744 or 4x weekly using DC10.

nname
Jul 9, 2017, 8:02 PM
The seasonal 3rd daily YVR-SJC will start earlier on Jan 1st next year... so It's going year-round?

Canadian74
Jul 9, 2017, 9:14 PM
Nope. The old agreement does not allow a YVR route. It only allows:
1. BKK - (European city) - YYZ/YUL - (US)
2. BKK - (Asia/US city) - YYZ/YUL

Each route can have up to 3x weekly using 744 or 4x weekly using DC10.

But CP used to operate daily 744 to BKK from YVR before the merger with AC

nname
Jul 9, 2017, 9:29 PM
But CP used to operate daily 744 to BKK from YVR before the merger with AC

YVR is only allowed from the Canadian side; Thailand only allowed to use YYZ/YUL.

Klazu
Jul 9, 2017, 10:55 PM
Just returned from my holiday in Iceland and Greenland. Since Icelandair's direct flight to KEF was so expensive, I ended up flying through MSP on Delta. Never been to MSP before, but it was quite practical and surprisingly big airport. I also had time to visit both Minneapolis and Mall of America on my 10-hour layover on the way back, which were interesting visits. Minneapolis wasn't that exciting, but Minnesota itself looked very inviting from the air. :yes:

Although Delta provides a good service overall, I really hate their new seating system and pricing. I already noticed this on my YVR-SEA-AMS flight over the Christmas and I am not sure if any other airline does it, but Delta charges a hefty $60 to reserve a window or an aisle seat on the front half of the Economy class. That sucks donkey balls, as it makes it very difficult to be sitting next to someone you are traveling with without paying an extra charge. :sly:

What makes it even more stupid is that Delta's seating algorithm seems to be now by default assigning two people traveling together to completely different rows, forcing almost everyone to request re-seating at the airport. I also saw many people trying to switch seats with other passangers inside the plane to sit next to their companions. This makes boarding a very slow process.

This is very stupid by Delta and I have to say I am disencouraged to fly with them for this very reason, should there be an equal flight available.

Does any other airline do the same yet? I really hope Delta understands this being a mistake, as it is very cumbersome for families with kids and also slows down the boarding process, leading to late departures which cost the airline. It is also anything but good customer service. :hell:

Klazu
Jul 9, 2017, 11:08 PM
Reading Delta's in-flight magazine, I was surprised to learn about their big campaign (http://www.openandfairskies.com/) agains the Gulf carriers. It seems that Delta, American and United have all joined to fight the ME3 airlines for their unfair competion through huge government subsidies.

Delta has also published a neat video (http://news.delta.com/delta-releases-full-length-video-educating-employees-gulf-carrier-subsidies) explaining the predatory practices ME3's have applied all around the world and how it has decimated the European and Australian airlines. They certainly have a good point about it all, as ME3's are almost entirely government-backed and enjoy huge subsidies and cheap fuel. It was interesting to learn that most Emirates, Qatar and Etihad routes operate on a loss and they keep flying wide bodies to the oddest airports just to kill competition. The video even mentions Qatar flying an almost-empty wide body route to ATL, just to screw with Delta. :uhh:

I guess it's the same with some Chinese airlines as well, but it is certainly a problem. Will be interesting to see if the new US administration will be backing up this campaign. My guess is that it will be, as the current situation is hurting US jobs.

Interesting also that the video (http://news.delta.com/delta-releases-full-length-video-educating-employees-gulf-carrier-subsidies) mentiones Canada as the only country that has effectively fought against the expansion of ME3's, resulting in Air Canada being able to grow so significantly as it has. I know that some in here cry about the lack of ME3's at YVR, but when you really think about it, we might be much better off this way. The illusion of cheaper prices through ME3 airlines only seems to last until the competiotion has been killed off.

Any thoughts on the campaign? I hadn't really heard about it before, but it was printed on the in-flight magazine, so the US airlines are definitely promoting it big time.

Canadian74
Jul 10, 2017, 3:11 AM
US3 behaving like cry babies. Propoganda

Australia is doing fine, in fact their air travel market is larger than Canada despite a much smaller population. Actually almost every county is doing fine.

Emirates is profitable.

Big discussions at a.net

Daily Emirates at YYZ and YVR isn't going to hurt anyone

nname
Jul 10, 2017, 4:19 AM
Canada keeps expanding air agreements that have no air service to Canada in the first place, like Singapore, Thailand etc but ignore real markets that could use extra frequencies like UAE, etc

I believe there is actually larger O/D market between Canada and Singapore/Thailand compared to UAE, just that the government and airlines of both countries are not willing to burn money to sustain routes with 30-60% LF....

casper
Jul 10, 2017, 10:02 AM
It would be nice to see Thai at YVR but I think they could have already operated the route before this new agreement if they wanted to


Canada keeps expanding air agreements that have no air service to Canada in the first place, like Singapore, Thailand etc but ignore real markets that could use extra frequencies like UAE, etc

Having Singapore came back to Vancouver would be great.

They use to operate to Vancouver with a stop in South Korea. The only problem was they carried far more passangers between Vancouver and South Korea than between Vancouver and Singapore. I believe the route was capped at 3 per week.

On a side note, after Singapore pulled out it allowed Korean Airlines and Air Canada to operate the route daily.

Thai Airlines would make a great addition to Vancouver. More Star Alliance airlines the better for building a connecting hub.

casper
Jul 10, 2017, 10:24 AM
US3 behaving like cry babies. Propoganda

Australia is doing fine, in fact their air travel market is larger than Canada despite a much smaller population. Actually almost every county is doing fine.

Emirates is profitable.

Big discussions at a.net

Daily Emirates at YYZ and YVR isn't going to hurt anyone

Australia's flagship airline Qantas has had to drop routes to:

France, Germany, Netherlands, Greece, Pakistan

Their service to the UK is quite limited. The only place where they are doing well is on flights across the Pacific and domestically. Markets where they don't compete with the gulf airlines. To serve Europe they now need to feed into Dubai as a transit hub.

I don't think Australia is going a head in this market.

lubicon
Jul 10, 2017, 6:48 PM
Just returned from my holiday in Iceland and Greenland. Since Icelandair's direct flight to KEF was so expensive, I ended up flying through MSP on Delta. Never been to MSP before, but it was quite practical and surprisingly big airport. I also had time to visit both Minneapolis and Mall of America on my 10-hour layover on the way back, which were interesting visits. Minneapolis wasn't that exciting, but Minnesota itself looked very inviting from the air. :yes:

Although Delta provides a good service overall, I really hate their new seating system and pricing. I already noticed this on my YVR-SEA-AMS flight over the Christmas and I am not sure if any other airline does it, but Delta charges a hefty $60 to reserve a window or an aisle seat on the front half of the Economy class. That sucks donkey balls, as it makes it very difficult to be sitting next to someone you are traveling with without paying an extra charge. :sly:

What makes it even more stupid is that Delta's seating algorithm seems to be now by default assigning two people traveling together to completely different rows, forcing almost everyone to request re-seating at the airport. I also saw many people trying to switch seats with other passangers inside the plane to sit next to their companions. This makes boarding a very slow process.

This is very stupid by Delta and I have to say I am disencouraged to fly with them for this very reason, should there be an equal flight available.

Does any other airline do the same yet? I really hope Delta understands this being a mistake, as it is very cumbersome for families with kids and also slows down the boarding process, leading to late departures which cost the airline. It is also anything but good customer service. :hell:

Yes it sucks donkey balls, and yes other airlines have started doing this too. Both American and United have a new basic economy fare which does not allow advanced seat selection at all (United) or charges a fee (American)
.

LeftCoaster
Jul 11, 2017, 10:32 PM
YVR-BKK, YVR-SIN and YVR-SGN are all real possibilities now.

Those would all be amazing routes, and despite some peoples thoughts, real game changers, as YVR and most of North America currently has no service to SE Asia.

They are tough routes to gauge though, as they often have a decent amount of traffic but it is just so consistently low yielding. The only one that I would think should have a higher yield is SIN, as there is a decent amount of HNW and business connection between the two cities, but still something must be keeping it from being viable.

nname
Jul 11, 2017, 11:53 PM
They are tough routes to gauge though, as they often have a decent amount of traffic but it is just so consistently low yielding. The only one that I would think should have a higher yield is SIN, as there is a decent amount of HNW and business connection between the two cities, but still something must be keeping it from being viable.

Check AC's Y price for November for Asian routes... all non-stop, round-trip
YVR-HKG $572
YVR-PEK $604
YVR-PVG $664
YVR-TPE $699

Other Airlines...
YVR-NKG $585
YVR-CGO $652
YVR-SHE $652
YVR-TAO $660

YVR-CAN $775
YVR-XMN $801
YVR-NRT $863
YVR-HND $863

They all pretty low-yielding? In fact, the ticket price had been like that all year-round except the few weeks in summer and winter. Direct flight to SGN, SIN, BKK may even have higher yield than that...

Compare to other direct flights in November...
YVR-YYZ $586
YVR-DEL $1382
YVR-SYD $1788

Canadian74
Jul 12, 2017, 2:03 AM
Australia's flagship airline Qantas has had to drop routes to:

France, Germany, Netherlands, Greece, Pakistan

Their service to the UK is quite limited. The only place where they are doing well is on flights across the Pacific and domestically. Markets where they don't compete with the gulf airlines. To serve Europe they now need to feed into Dubai as a transit hub.

I don't think Australia is going a head in this market.

They seem to have a nice partnership with Emirates. Flying all the way to Europe is expensive and Emirates can offer much more one stop destinations in Europe than Qantas ever could. https://www.qantas.com/travel/airlines/qantas-emirates/global/en#our-network

Qantas hasn't quit Europe completely, in fact they are adding non stops to LHR.

Gordon
Jul 12, 2017, 2:25 AM
Could YvR be Using gate D\E49 for International Flights freeing up One of the regular INt'l gates so D59l would not be needed and AC domestic trffic at that time could us gate Gate B28 which is never used?

The Ac fares to Asia mentioned above sure seem good. How do they compare with the same destinations from SEA?

nname
Jul 12, 2017, 3:52 AM
Could YvR be Using gate D\E49 for International Flights freeing up One of the regular INt'l gates so D59l would not be needed and AC domestic trffic at that time could us gate Gate B28 which is never used?

The Ac fares to Asia mentioned above sure seem good. How do they compare with the same destinations from SEA?

D49 already used for international arrival everyday at around noon, and sometimes D48 too... There's no room for the waiting area for departure or it would cut a big chunk of C concourse off...

And for SEA... all non-stop flights in Canadian dollars
SEA-PVG $667
SEA-PEK $719
SEA-HKG $800
SEA-TPE $1099
SEA-NRT $1374

Lancaster
Jul 12, 2017, 5:31 AM
Could YvR be Using gate D\E49 for International Flights freeing up One of the regular INt'l gates so D59l would not be needed and AC domestic trffic at that time could us gate Gate B28 which is never used?

The Ac fares to Asia mentioned above sure seem good. How do they compare with the same destinations from SEA?

Last time I was around it looked as though there was no bridge on gate 28. Maybe out-of-service?

trofirhen
Jul 12, 2017, 9:21 PM
http://business.financialpost.com/transportation/u-s-looks-to-canadian-model-as-it-debates-air-traffic-control-privatization/wcm/94ff645c-7010-4a92-be71-51f1a452ac23

whatnext
Jul 14, 2017, 12:38 AM
Air Canada achieved a single day passenger record on June 29:

http://www.travelweek.ca/news/air-canada-achieves-single-day-passenger-record/

thenoflyzone
Jul 14, 2017, 10:30 PM
There's been no secret that Thai has mentioned direct flights to YVR and we all know AC has YVR-BKK connected on its 2018 route network possibilities route map.

Thai, yes. AC, no.

YVR-BKK isn't on AC's 2018 route map. (at least not in the 2015 investor day pdf)

https://www.aircanada.com/content/dam/aircanada/portal/documents/PDF/speeches-presentations/en/investor_day_2015.pdf

I wonder if Vancouver will ever become a five-continent airport?

I think so. It's a matter of time. Most likely a Japanese carrier to GRU. As for AC, i'm not quite sure YVR-South America is on their map, yet.

YVR is only allowed from the Canadian side; Thailand only allowed to use YYZ/YUL.

Like I said, Thai might launch YVR. If they dont get FAA approval, it might be the first route back to NA. If they do get US approval, it will follow LAX and SFO.

I don't see AC launching the route. Bigger fish to fry. With so much YVR-Asia capacity, prices are already in the gutter (as has been shown above). Starting a near 12,000 km low yielding route isn't (or rather shouldn't) be high priority for AC.

Thai's cost structure is better suited to serve the market.

Hot Rod
Jul 17, 2017, 10:28 AM
would rather have Thai serve the route anyway, new flag + pretty planes. And MORE foreign presence thereby making YVR a more complete Star Alliance hub.

nname
Jul 19, 2017, 4:41 AM
June 2017 stat for YVR-TPE:

Flts Pax LF to TPE to YVR
AC 44 12,247 93.4% 91.5% 95.3%
CI 51 16,216 84.5% 75.8% 93.6%
BR 52 14,273 73.8% 62.2% 84.5%
Total 147 42,736 82.8% 74.9% 90.5%

Note that the total passenger count for June 2016 was 30,990. So it was an increase of 37.9% this year.

excel
Jul 19, 2017, 8:00 AM
Wow AC doing very well on the route in both directions.

POCO
Jul 19, 2017, 1:34 PM
I'm surprised BR is so low considering they supposedly have excellent service and seemed pretty cheap to me.

SFUVancouver
Jul 20, 2017, 12:19 AM
I flew on a CS300 today from GVA to LHR. Famtastic airplane! Air Canada will be offering a terrific product when they replace the Ejets and A319s.

Stingray2004
Jul 23, 2017, 2:20 AM
Big shout out to YVR on its 86th Anniversary today - opened up on this date back in 1931. A panorama pic on opening day:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFYIu8YUAAAKL5V.jpg

BTW, that hangar in the background later became the operations hangar for Pacific Western Airlines back circa 1953 along Airport Road and was still extant into the 1990's IIRC.

37 years after opening day back in 1931, the new terminal on Grant McConachie Way commenced ops in 1968 with the original terminal (built after 1931) and now known as South Terminal still operational.

LeftCoaster
Jul 24, 2017, 10:35 PM
Westjet released their winter schedule update which has some new frequencies for YVR. Decent beefing up of existing flights but nothing too exciting. YVR-HUX is the only new service and it's already served by Transat. Also not in this release but it's looking like YVR-MCO is getting cut down by one frequency per week.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/westjet-announces-vancouver-service-to-huatulco-2017-07-24

trofirhen
Jul 24, 2017, 11:12 PM
Westjet released their winter schedule update which has some new frequencies for YVR. Decent beefing up of existing flights but nothing too exciting. YVR-HUX is the only new service and it's already served by Transat. Also not in this release but it's looking like YVR-MCO is getting cut down by one frequency per week.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/westjet-announces-vancouver-service-to-huatulco-2017-07-24

As you say, respectable, but not overwhelming. I would have thought Orlando would be increased. And Miami always seems neglected, although it is apparently the most
underserved route from YVR to the States. My other question is (and it's rhetorical more than anything else) ... When / If will Westjet go "bigtime" with its 787s? In a few years, I guess.

POCO
Jul 25, 2017, 7:39 AM
As you say, respectable, but not overwhelming. I would have thought Orlando would be increased. And Miami always seems neglected, although it is apparently the most
underserved route from YVR to the States. My other question is (and it's rhetorical more than anything else) ... When / If will Westjet go "bigtime" with its 787s? In a few years, I guess.

I'm disappointed with the MCO news. I find it hard to believe that there is only demand for one flight per week. I guess everyone here prefers California?

WestJet's 787's will be delivered starting the first quarter of 2019 until the end of 2021. That's only for the 10 firm orders. There are options for 10 more. I can't believe that they aren't leasing a few other wide body aircraft to better cut their teeth on long haul service between then and now.

MalcolmTucker
Jul 25, 2017, 3:36 PM
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mezzanine
Jul 25, 2017, 4:09 PM
don't forget AC rouge will also start twice weekly direct flights YVR-MCO this winter.

my preference is california/arizona > florida. you lose 1 day of vacation time flying east, only to regain it back when you return home anyway...

LeftCoaster
Jul 25, 2017, 9:45 PM
Good article about YVR's Chinese links in CNN of all places. Little blurb near the end drops a hit at a new route/carrier coming:

Hong Kong Airlines might be the most recent carrier to choose Vancouver as a destination, but it won't be the last. Richmond hints that another Chinese carrier will announce service to YVR "later this year."
http://www.cnn.com/travel/article/vancouver-china-aviation-hub/index.html

Doubt this is the colourful rumour Johnny alluded to in the past as a new route to China, even a new airline, does not seem game changing to me. My guess is Hainan to Tianjin.

teriyaki
Jul 25, 2017, 10:00 PM
Good article about YVR's Chinese links in CNN of all places. Little blurb near the end drops a hit at a new route/carrier coming:


http://www.cnn.com/travel/article/vancouver-china-aviation-hub/index.html

Doubt this is the colourful rumour Johnny alluded to in the past as a new route to China, even a new airline, does not seem game changing to me. My guess is Hainan to Tianjin.

What Chinese airlines do we NOT have now anyways?

Taking into account the ones that have the aircraft to serve trans-pac service.

Hainan (technically served via HK Airlines)?
Juneyao Airlines ( 787's on order)

nname
Jul 25, 2017, 10:21 PM
What Chinese airlines do we NOT have now anyways?

Taking into account the ones that have the aircraft to serve trans-pac service.

Hainan (technically served via HK Airlines)?
Juneyao Airlines ( 787's on order)

New airlines are popping up in China every month, and existing ones all want to do long-haul, so...

On top of the ones you listed that have planes (on order) capable of serving YVR, and the hubs they operating out of:

Tianjin Airlines (GD) - A330 - TSN
Okay Airways (BK) - B789 on order - TSN/XIY/CSX
Shanghai Airlines (FM) - B763 - PVG
Tibet Airlines (TV) - A330 - CTU
Donghai Airlines (DZ) - B789 on order - SZX
Lucky Air (8L) - A330 - KMG
Ruili Airlines (DR) - B789 on order - KMG

And of course, some other airlines not on the list could also got wide-body planes from their parent airline to start long haul right away after they obtain license without actually placing any order, like the case of Tianjin Airlines....

LeftCoaster
Jul 25, 2017, 10:21 PM
Also Shenzhen Airlines and Tianjin Airlines, which I think is another HNA subsidiary.

Guess it would have to be one of those four? And really just Hainan, Shenzhen, or Tianjin because Juneyao only flies out of PVG and China Eastern already has that route.

Shame because Juneyao has a really cool livery, would be great to see at YVR.

nname
Jul 25, 2017, 10:29 PM
Also Shenzhen Airlines and Tianjin Airlines, which I think is another HNA subsidiary.

Guess it would have to be one of those four? And really just Hainan, Shenzhen, or Tianjin because Juneyao only flies out of PVG and China Eastern already has that route.

Shame because Juneyao has a really cool livery, would be great to see at YVR.

Oh yeah, forgot about Shenzhen Airlines... there are just too many now... :shrug:

And while HO cannot operate PVG-YVR, something like PVG-HRB-YVR is considered a different route and should be allowed ;)

deasine
Jul 25, 2017, 10:31 PM
Shenzhen is an Air China subsidiary and doesn't have fleet to support Vancouver.

Not directly related, but interestingly Cathay Dragon (which is the short/medium-haul division of Cathay Pacific, thus partially owned by Air China) received a very unusual approval from US DOT to operate sixth freedom flights (i.e. Hong Kong - LA - New York - Hong Kong, where they have rights to carry passengers and freight between LA - New York) for one year temporarily. It's unusual as the US is generally extremely protective but it would be more unusual for Cathay Dragon not to cease on this opportunity. If this is the case, we might even see long-haul Cathay Dragon operations to begin replacing some Cathay Pacific frequencies given cheaper cost of operation and more cost competitiveness against HX (and even AC even though they are for now partners).

nname
Jul 25, 2017, 10:36 PM
Shenzhen is an Air China subsidiary and doesn't have fleet to support Vancouver.

They got A330 on order...

The original plan was to have CA operating long-hual and ZH short-hual, similar arrangement as MU long-hual and FM short-haul out of PVG. But then with CZ got MF going long-hual, and HU expands like crazy with probably more than 10 subsidies all aiming for long-hual all over the places and taking over route rights and passengers, I don't think CA and MU want to stick with their original strategy anymore. Both subsidies ordered wide-body planes last year.

deasine
Jul 25, 2017, 11:08 PM
They got A330 on order...

The original plan was to have CA operating long-hual and ZH short-hual, similar arrangement as MU long-hual and FM short-haul out of PVG. But then with CZ got MF going long-hual, and HU expands like crazy with probably more than 10 subsidies all aiming for long-hual all over the places and taking over route rights and passengers, I don't think CA and MU want to stick with their original strategy anymore. Both subsidies ordered wide-body planes last year.

I believe the YVR can only be served on the A330 with weight restrictions from SZX (and HKG). Not sure if this is the best aircraft choice unless it makes a stop at another interim Chinese destination.

trofirhen
Jul 25, 2017, 11:24 PM
Good article about YVR's Chinese links in CNN of all places. Little blurb near the end drops a hit at a new route/carrier coming:


http://www.cnn.com/travel/article/vancouver-china-aviation-hub/index.html

Doubt this is the colourful rumour Johnny alluded to in the past as a new route to China, even a new airline, does not seem game changing to me. My guess is Hainan to Tianjin.

Regarding that curiosity-piquing, intriguing "game changer/groundbreaker" route, I'm going to bet 50 cents that its GRU. I say this because it would be the first route to South America, talked about by Craig Richmond in a presentation some years ago and also, Johnny mentioned several years back that he was surprised how much O&D traffic there was between YVR and Brazil. Sufficiently high O&D is a prerequisite for any major new route, as I understand. And this would definitely be a "groundbreaker" and "game-changer."

Klazu
Jul 26, 2017, 12:32 AM
Man, I cannot wait to find Tiber Airlines direct to Lhasa. And I am not kidding, I totally would. :)

trofirhen
Jul 26, 2017, 12:44 AM
Man, I cannot wait to find Tiber Airlines direct to Lhasa. And I am not kidding, I totally would. :)

Yeah, cool! But is there sufficient O&D to warrant it? (Maybe a summer seasonal might work).

nname
Jul 26, 2017, 1:10 AM
I believe the YVR can only be served on the A330 with weight restrictions from SZX (and HKG). Not sure if this is the best aircraft choice unless it makes a stop at another interim Chinese destination.

HX uses A330 for YVR-HKG; DL uses A330 for SEA-HKG for years. So it's doable, probably pretty close to the limit though.

YVR Bruce
Jul 26, 2017, 4:35 AM
I'm hoping to learn what happen tonight to the A380 arrival. I have 3 family on board and we still await word on why it took 45+ mins to get to their gate...

Lancaster
Jul 26, 2017, 6:20 AM
I'm hoping to learn what happen tonight to the A380 arrival. I have 3 family on board and we still await word on why it took 45+ mins to get to their gate...

There was a second BA A380 at the terminal this afternoon. I think there's only one gate at YVR that can take that big of a plane (at least, BA is always on that gate). Maybe they were overlapping somehow?

excel
Jul 26, 2017, 6:21 AM
There are 2 gates that can accommodate an a380 at yvr.

CareerShow
Jul 26, 2017, 2:46 PM
I'm hoping to learn what happen tonight to the A380 arrival. I have 3 family on board and we still await word on why it took 45+ mins to get to their gate...

I think it may be because BA287 for sfo was diverted to yvr for some reason and the aircraft probably overlapped for a few minutes. I think there is only 1 a380 accommodating gate.

Gordon
Jul 26, 2017, 2:52 PM
There are supposed to be 2 A380 capable gates It could have been tat they were both full at that time.
Has any construction started On the Pier D expansion ?

nname
Jul 26, 2017, 6:18 PM
Air Canada adds winter-seasonal Vancouver - Yellowknife

eff. Dec 15 to Apr 1, 2018

AC8833 YVR 1600 - 1930 YZF CRA D
AC8834 YZF 0730 - 0853 YVR CRA D

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=22103&item=138302

mezzanine
Jul 26, 2017, 7:39 PM
^ wow, I was seeing this evolve for some time as YZF was really gunning for a YVR flight. They even voted for increasing their AIF to get YVR flights (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/yellowknife-airport-upgrades-1.3801426). The tourist feed for aurora watching would be good, but it would also help link resource industry workers between the 2 cities as well.

excel
Jul 26, 2017, 8:18 PM
Has this route ever existed in the past?

LeftCoaster
Jul 26, 2017, 8:38 PM
And while HO cannot operate PVG-YVR, something like PVG-HRB-YVR is considered a different route and should be allowed ;)

Could be an interesting routing. Either way it's all just banter until the bilateral is revised.

Regarding that curiosity-piquing, intriguing "game changer/groundbreaker" route, I'm going to bet 50 cents that its GRU.

Highly doubtful since Latam is not in any way a 'colourful' addition and Avianca Brazil doesn't receive their A350s until 2020.

deasine
Jul 26, 2017, 9:30 PM
I'm hoping to learn what happen tonight to the A380 arrival. I have 3 family on board and we still await word on why it took 45+ mins to get to their gate...

Meanwhile I waited an hour at Heathrow just the other day for an available stand and it was business as usual...

hollywoodnorth
Jul 29, 2017, 6:20 AM
How Vancouver became China's aviation hub to the West

http://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/vancouver-china-aviation-hub/index.html

excel
Jul 29, 2017, 6:12 PM
How Vancouver became China's aviation hub to the West

http://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/vancouver-china-aviation-hub/index.html

Already posted on previous page :cool:

trofirhen
Jul 30, 2017, 9:57 AM
Highly doubtful since Latam is not in any way a 'colourful' addition and Avianca Brazil doesn't receive their A350s until 2020.

OK. How about Lima, Santiago, Bogotà, Teheran, or Singapore. Bangkok? Would that be a "groundbreaker/game changer?"

mezzanine
Jul 31, 2017, 7:17 AM
Interjet aiming to start service to YVR from Mexico by the end of this year (http://www.travelweek.ca/news/interjet-launches-new-toronto-mexico-service-biggest-economy-cabin-can-find/):

The airline, which at 11 years old is still considered “very young”, launched service to Montreal two weeks ago with two flights weekly. Vancouver, said Reynoso, will possibly launch by year’s end.

Gordon
Jul 31, 2017, 12:23 PM
is there any recent news about Canadian Jetlines?

LeftCoaster
Jul 31, 2017, 11:37 PM
They changed their logo/livery?

Honestly not much

https://14chlcmzykb1y46f-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/jetlines.jpg
https://jetlines.ca/

OK. How about Lima, Santiago, Bogotà, Teheran, or Singapore. Bangkok? Would that be a "groundbreaker/game changer?"

Considering those are all to regions which YVR currently has no service to/from yes I would certainly say those are game changers.

Lancaster
Aug 1, 2017, 2:30 AM
Crazy amount of growth at YVR these days. Pretty fortunate to be riding a big boom period.

http://www.yvr.ca/en/media/news-releases/2017/2017-air-traffic-update

YVR has seen over 419,000 passengers travel through Latin America in the first six months of 2017, a 25.3 per cent year over year increase.

Year-Over-Year Passenger Growth Highlights: January – June, 2017

9.2 per cent increase in International traffic
4.3 per cent increase in Domestic traffic
12.7 per cent increase in Transborder (US) traffic

19.9% growth in Asia, 2.3% growth in Europe.

Could YVR break 24 million this year?

Johnny Aussie
Aug 1, 2017, 3:26 AM
Crazy amount of growth at YVR these days. Pretty fortunate to be riding a big boom period.

http://www.yvr.ca/en/media/news-releases/2017/2017-air-traffic-update

Poorly written.

Contradicting transborder figures.
Contradicting domestic figures.

???

I guess we will wait and see when the June figures are actually released.

Lancaster
Aug 1, 2017, 3:33 AM
Poorly written.

Contradicting transborder figures.
Contradicting domestic figures.

???

I guess we will wait and see when the June figures are actually released.

Good catch. Yeah, could really change the outlook entirely depending on the number you use!

Hot Rod
Aug 1, 2017, 11:34 AM
Crazy amount of growth at YVR these days. Pretty fortunate to be riding a big boom period.

http://www.yvr.ca/en/media/news-releases/2017/2017-air-traffic-update





19.9% growth in Asia, 2.3% growth in Europe.

Could YVR break 24 million this year?

24? I say bring on 25 million. :cheers:

Get to construction on the darn International Terminal expansion and US Terminal!!

trofirhen
Aug 1, 2017, 1:59 PM
24? I say bring on 25 million. :cheers:

Get to construction on the darn International Terminal expansion and US Terminal!!

;)Hey there!! I applaud your enthusiasm, but isn't 25m a little overoptimistic? (If it comes to that, the YVR terminal will be like a sardine can !!!)

Canadian74
Aug 1, 2017, 4:38 PM
25M doesn't look possible this year, 24M is more reasonable

trofirhen
Aug 1, 2017, 4:43 PM
25M doesn't look possible this year, 24M is more reasonable

That would be more my estimate, too. At any rate, they had better dust off the plans and start digging the foundations for the new terminal expansion FAST !!

LeftCoaster
Aug 1, 2017, 9:20 PM
^My guess is 24.4 million. Mark it.

Interjet aiming to start service to YVR from Mexico by the end of this year (http://www.travelweek.ca/news/interjet-launches-new-toronto-mexico-service-biggest-economy-cabin-can-find/):

Excited to welcome a new tail. Sure wish someone would launch MTY or GDL though. Volaris... you there?