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nname
Oct 12, 2017, 10:11 PM
Oh and according to Spanish media, CZ had chosen to route their South America destinations via MAD and BCN.

So there won't be a CAN-YVR-South America route.

LeftCoaster
Oct 12, 2017, 10:23 PM
Donghai Airlines (DZ, based in SZX) also ordered 789 for long-hual and might possibly go for YVR if it's not taken. But there's no slot left anywhere in North America now...

Would have much rather seen Donghai run it, much prettier planes :D

Also, my source told me the other option was add more YYC-PEK but even though they feel TSN-YVR at 2pw isn’t that viable they’re doing it to secure the route and YVR-TSN at 2pw would be more viable than adding more YYC-PEK. That should say something about YYC-China and YYC-Asia in general . Hence why AC is adding YUL-Asia and cutting back on YYC-NRT and not adding any more flights.

YYC-NRT is being cut back? That's the first I've heard of it.

Oh and according to Spanish media, CZ had chosen to route their South America destinations via MAD and BCN.

So there won't be a CAN-YVR-South America route.

Too bad, but makes sense I suppose given the Spain-Latin America demand and only slightly longer routing.

nname
Oct 12, 2017, 10:33 PM
yyc-nrt is being cut back? That's the first i've heard of it.

yyc-nrt => yyz-yyc-nrt
788 => 763

LeftCoaster
Oct 12, 2017, 10:43 PM
Hmm don't know how I missed that one. That's a big cut.

With AC's 767s not being in the mainline fleet too much longer I wonder what will happen to the route. Cutting it just leaves it wide open to WestJet once they get their Dreamliners.

Johnny Aussie
Oct 12, 2017, 10:48 PM
Tianjin Airlines?

Well, GS still wants to fly to YVR, and they're still saying that in their press releases... Not sure how they will do that now even if bilateral expanded, as HU will be running the route.

Either way they're not making any money I think... Adding the SZX leg is just to find someone to cover some of the loss :D

I remember reading on a Chinese forum saying that none of the secondary Chinese-US route is anywhere close to be profitable... just that some route lose more money than the others... And yet all the Chinese airlines are fighting to get them....

Yes, MEL is getting Tianjin soon.

As for Tianjin to YVR... cannot happen until the bilateral is amended.

My point was... PEK is not a secondary city.

Yeah, appears all the secondary routes are sub par.

Oh and according to Spanish media, CZ had chosen to route their South America destinations via MAD and BCN.

So there won't be a CAN-YVR-South America route.

Booooo.... queue the doom and gloom comments! :haha::haha:

YYC-NRT is being cut back? That's the first I've heard of it.

yyc-nrt => yyz-yyc-nrt
788 => 763

Yeah, that.

Hainan will be YVR's 24th overseas international carrier assuming nobody else beats them to the punch! :D

LeftCoaster
Oct 12, 2017, 11:05 PM
Hainan will be YVR's 24th overseas international carrier assuming nobody else beats them to the punch! :D

Still waitin' on some of that colour you promised us Johnny! :cool:

Johnny Aussie
Oct 12, 2017, 11:16 PM
Still waitin' on some of that colour you promised us Johnny! :cool:

Hainan and Hong Kong Airlines are both pretty!

But yeah... different colours on the palette. Saw a whole bunch of these planes on a recent trip I made... be a nice colourful addition. Just don't like hearing the whining broken record about it. Anyway... if it happens (when it happens) it will happen. Take a deep breath and release slowly.....

Hot Rod
Oct 13, 2017, 7:27 AM
Too bad there is no YVR-Chongqing CKG on the immediate horizon. They just opened their brand new T3A monster terminal and are already getting ready to build the T3B expansion.

http://wx3.sinaimg.cn/mw1024/006fSLQwgy1fj57z5wypyj333y22nkjl.jpg
from juukeihc (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/member.php?u=936196) at SSC

Hopefully the bilateral gets amended OR AC takes the plunge on YVR-CKG. !!

BTW, you can just barely see the recently expanded 'old' T2A+B in the upper left of the pic. This will be the domain of Sichuan Airlines now.

tovan
Oct 13, 2017, 7:44 PM
Looks like a Cylon basestar

trofirhen
Oct 13, 2017, 8:11 PM
Looks like a Cylon basestar

A what?

vanlaw
Oct 13, 2017, 10:03 PM
A what?

There's a great new website out there, might be then next big thing. its called Google.

Johnny Aussie
Oct 13, 2017, 10:36 PM
Once Hainan commences... YVR will have direct service to 13 mainland Chinese cities.

Hot Rod
Oct 14, 2017, 1:32 AM
Therapy dogs help relief anxiety and stress at Vancouver Int'l Airport (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-08/24/c_136550978.htm)

courtesy of Xinhua

Im not a dog lover myself but I think this is cool that YVR offers this service to the many of those who are.

Hot Rod
Oct 14, 2017, 1:35 AM
T3A terminal of Jiangbei Airport put into operation in Chongqing (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-08/29/c_136565756.htm)

Here are some more pics of this beautiful new massive terminal in Chongqing, put into operation in late August.

Needs at least one non-stop flight YVR-CKG. :cheers:

nname
Oct 16, 2017, 4:15 AM
YVR-ORD

Seems like next summer it will be 2x daily CRJ instead of 1x daily A319 from AC (plus 3x daily from UA)

Winter will be daily CRJ

trofirhen
Oct 16, 2017, 4:28 AM
There's a great new website out there, might be then next big thing. its called Google.

Point well made. Hmmmm .... intriguing, yes ......

Johnny Aussie
Oct 16, 2017, 5:17 AM
YVR-ORD

Seems like next summer it will be 2x daily CRJ instead of 1x daily A319 from AC (plus 3x daily from UA)

Winter will be daily CRJ

Yet another AC trans border boost.... goes from 120 —> 150 seats per day.

UA goes 4 times daily YVR-ORD in the summer. They don’t update their summer scheds until early in the calendar year.

Lancaster
Oct 16, 2017, 5:50 AM
YVR-ORD

Seems like next summer it will be 2x daily CRJ instead of 1x daily A319 from AC (plus 3x daily from UA)

Winter will be daily CRJ

Forgive me, but wasn't AC 2x daily this summer? Maybe I was out to lunch.

nname
Oct 16, 2017, 6:55 AM
Forgive me, but wasn't AC 2x daily this summer? Maybe I was out to lunch.

I didn't read anything about it, nor the change to CRJ during winter...

CareerShow
Oct 16, 2017, 8:51 AM
I didn't read anything about it, nor the change to CRJ during winter...

Would have to be seen as a service downgrade tho... The CRA are tough for flights over 2.5 hours and there are now 3 routes with them (Dallas and Chicago are over 4 hours). Could anyone see these going mainline with the 737 MAX or C-Series when the aircrafts begin filtering into AC's fleet?

Johnny Aussie
Oct 16, 2017, 9:51 AM
Forgive me, but wasn't AC 2x daily this summer? Maybe I was out to lunch.

No. The route was launched as a daily E90, then upgauged to a daily 319....
Now it will be twice daily CRAs.

CareerShow
Oct 16, 2017, 3:43 PM
No. The route was launched as a daily E90, then upgauged to a daily 319....
Now it will be twice daily CRAs.

I have to say, the E90 is a far more comfortable ride than the CRA as well. Unfortunate at this time AC has moved all operation out of YVR.

twoNeurons
Oct 16, 2017, 7:37 PM
Point well made. Hmmmm .... intriguing, yes ......

Don't stop at search. Watch the whole series. You won't regret it.

LeftCoaster
Oct 16, 2017, 9:04 PM
I have to say, the E90 is a far more comfortable ride than the CRA as well. Unfortunate at this time AC has moved all operation out of YVR.

I'd imagine these are stop-gap solutions until the C-series arrives, it's a great sized and distance route for that plane. Either way the boost is good news.

I for one appreciate the multitude of options to Chicago, since work seems to be taking me there more and more.

I wonder if AA will ever get in on the action, they like to pretend they are equals with United at ORD.

SFUVancouver
Oct 17, 2017, 3:52 AM
The C-Series lives!

Bombardier just sold 50.01% to Airbus (for $0) for a commitment to keep program HQ in Quebec, keep a final assembly line in Quebec (plus a second one in Mobile, AL), and they're going to sell the hell out of it as an Airbus product with Airbus parts and support. Boeing must be apoplectic tonight.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-16/airbus-to-buy-majority-stake-in-bombardier-c-series-jet-program

stiffdeadman
Oct 17, 2017, 4:26 AM
I'd imagine these are stop-gap solutions until the C-series arrives, it's a great sized and distance route for that plane. Either way the boost is good news.

I for one appreciate the multitude of options to Chicago, since work seems to be taking me there more and more.

I wonder if AA will ever get in on the action, they like to pretend they are equals with United at ORD.

i think the problem is O'hare has no gate space left to add new flights. i read they have proposals for a large terminal re-construction now that the new runways are all completed. so for american to add YVR they would have to cut something else, and as we have seen in the last little while canada is not as profitable for american carriers as their own domestic routes. remember years ago american had service from ord to yyc, but it was cut.

also if you're a spotter i would recommend putting o'hare on your list for spotting. freakin crazy how quickly the flights come. i hung out at the threshold of runway 10C by the approach lights and it was awesome. have to go back someday.

connect2source
Oct 17, 2017, 12:15 PM
The C-Series lives!

Bombardier just sold 50.01% to Airbus (for $0) for a commitment to keep program HQ in Quebec, keep a final assembly line in Quebec (plus a second one in Mobile, AL), and they're going to sell the hell out of it as an Airbus product with Airbus parts and support. Boeing must be apoplectic tonight.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-16/airbus-to-buy-majority-stake-in-bombardier-c-series-jet-program

10 + pages of chat and rant about this on airliners.net, lots of support for this and lots of comments from yours truly.

http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1376389

stiffdeadman
Oct 25, 2017, 1:16 AM
saw it posted on world air routes that next summer one of delta's seattle-yvr flights will be mainline 737-800. not a direct turn either as it arrives in the evening and the return flight is midday. alaska's flight is midday as well, so that's alot of seats to seatac in that time period. wonder if it's a case that delta needs a place to park a plane overnight since seatac is so congested and can't do a return in the morning because they already have full gate utilization down there at that time.

Johnny Aussie
Oct 25, 2017, 3:43 AM
saw it posted on world air routes that next summer one of delta's seattle-yvr flights will be mainline 737-800. not a direct turn either as it arrives in the evening and the return flight is midday. alaska's flight is midday as well, so that's alot of seats to seatac in that time period. wonder if it's a case that delta needs a place to park a plane overnight since seatac is so congested and can't do a return in the morning because they already have full gate utilization down there at that time.

The flight will operate on a SEA-YVR-ATL and ATL-YVR-SEA rotation.

So the flight will arrive from SEA in the evening and operate the red-eye to ATL (or could even be JFK).

The daily flight from ATL arrives in YVR just after 12 noon then jets off to SEA before 1pm.

Delta will be operating 7 daily flights to SEA next summer.

AS will be operating 2 daily 739s plus 3 daily Q400s.

LeftCoaster
Oct 25, 2017, 7:51 PM
Great news, good to see Delta expanding on their 6x PW this year.

Couple other changes from airlineroute:

AC not going daily on Taipei until a month later than planned. Surprised with this one given the capacity loss on the route from EVA and China Airlines going to 77W
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/275351/air-canada-may-2018-taipei-frequency-changes/

AC to Delhi is going daily in December, as originally spotted by nname:
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/275350/air-canada-further-boosts-vancouver-delhi-service-in-dec-2017/

Still hope to see Delhi go year round at some point, so definitely a good sign the peak period seems so strong.

nname
Oct 25, 2017, 9:57 PM
AC not going daily on Taipei until a month later than planned. Surprised with this one given the capacity loss on the route from EVA and China Airlines going to 77W
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/275351/air-canada-may-2018-taipei-frequency-changes/

There are ALOT of additional capacity. Even if both airlines no longer uses 744, both of them are still gaining seats rather than losing them.

CI:
5x weekly 744 = 319Y 49W 12C x5 = 1595Y 245W 60C = 1900 seats
7x weekly 359 = 243Y 31W 32C x7 = 1701Y 217W 224C = 2142 seats (+13%)

BR:
5x weekly 744 = 280Y 56W 36C x5 = 1400Y 280W 180C = 1860 seats
7x weekly 77WHD = 258Y 56W 39C x7 = 1806Y 392W 273C = 2471 seats (+33%)

Now add in AC
5x weekly 789 = 247Y 21W 30C x5 = 1235Y 105W 150C = 1490 seats

Total:
Winter 2016 = 3760 seats
Winter 2017 = 6103 seats (+62%)



Speaking of which... Here is the stat for YVR-TPE route for the past 4 months:
CI Pass/LF BR Pass/LF AC Pass/LF
2017/09 14002/76.3% 15231/75.7% 13532/78.3%
2017/08 16618/86.9% 19110/86.3% 16482/89.2%
2017/07 20660/87.1% 17757/80.3% 16475/89.2%
2017/06 16216/84.5% 14273/73.8% 12247/93.4%

mezzanine
Oct 25, 2017, 10:23 PM
There are ALOT of additional capacity. Even if both airlines no longer uses 744, both of them are still gaining seats rather than losing them.

CI:
5x weekly 744 = 319Y 49W 12C x5 = 1595Y 245W 60C = 1900 seats
7x weekly 359 = 243Y 31W 32C x7 = 1701Y 217W 224C = 2142 seats (+13%)

BR:
5x weekly 744 = 280Y 56W 36C x5 = 1400Y 280W 180C = 1860 seats
7x weekly 77WHD = 258Y 56W 39C x7 = 1806Y 392W 273C = 2471 seats (+33%)

Now add in AC
5x weekly 789 = 247Y 21W 30C x5 = 1235Y 105W 150C = 1490 seats

Total:
Winter 2016 = 3760 seats
Winter 2017 = 6103 seats (+62%)



Speaking of which... Here is the stat for YVR-TPE route for the past 4 months:
CI Pass/LF BR Pass/LF AC Pass/LF
2017/09 14002/76.3% 15231/75.7% 13532/78.3%
2017/08 16618/86.9% 19110/86.3% 16482/89.2%
2017/07 20660/87.1% 17757/80.3% 16475/89.2%
2017/06 16216/84.5% 14273/73.8% 12247/93.4%

wow, good to see that AC has the strongest loads. I've flown the BR flight before and although it arrives in the morning at TPE for good onward connections, the ~ 2am departure is the pits...

also wonder what sort of cooperation is there between AC and BR.

LeftCoaster
Oct 25, 2017, 10:34 PM
There are ALOT of additional capacity. Even if both airlines no longer uses 744, both of them are still gaining seats rather than losing them.

CI:
5x weekly 744 = 319Y 49W 12C x5 = 1595Y 245W 60C = 1900 seats
7x weekly 359 = 243Y 31W 32C x7 = 1701Y 217W 224C = 2142 seats (+13%)

BR:
5x weekly 744 = 280Y 56W 36C x5 = 1400Y 280W 180C = 1860 seats
7x weekly 77WHD = 258Y 56W 39C x7 = 1806Y 392W 273C = 2471 seats (+33%)

Now add in AC
5x weekly 789 = 247Y 21W 30C x5 = 1235Y 105W 150C = 1490 seats

Total:
Winter 2016 = 3760 seats
Winter 2017 = 6103 seats (+62%)



Speaking of which... Here is the stat for YVR-TPE route for the past 4 months:
CI Pass/LF BR Pass/LF AC Pass/LF
2017/09 14002/76.3% 15231/75.7% 13532/78.3%
2017/08 16618/86.9% 19110/86.3% 16482/89.2%
2017/07 20660/87.1% 17757/80.3% 16475/89.2%
2017/06 16216/84.5% 14273/73.8% 12247/93.4%

Thanks for the LF stats, pretty useful. Loads are strong but not blowing it away.

I always thought China Airlines ran 11xPW in the summer, not 5. That would make up for a lot of that capacity gain right there.

nname
Oct 25, 2017, 10:45 PM
I always thought China Airlines ran 11xPW in the summer, not 5. That would make up for a lot of that capacity gain right there.

Those are for a couple of weeks only - not because there's that much demand, but they rather fly empty planes to hold the 4x weekly right than letting BR grab them. When they run it, overall LF was in the 60s in the middle of the peak season.

They must've reached some sort of a deal lately so those extra flights are no longer needed.

Johnny Aussie
Oct 25, 2017, 10:52 PM
Thanks for the LF stats, pretty useful. Loads are strong but not blowing it away.

I always thought China Airlines ran 11xPW in the summer, not 5. That would make up for a lot of that capacity gain right there.

The 10-11pw was only for just a couple of weeks in the Uber peak periods. So definitely not consistent.

I’d say looking at the loads much of that new capacity is being absorbed.

Also looking at the loads still really indicates the seasonality of YVR.

Reading the latest economic stats released and also CBRE’s latest quarterly report indicates Vancouver will continue to lead the country in economic growth which will help strengthen YVR’s position.

Also.... just heard the D/E concourse expansion was approved last Friday and preconstruction has already commenced. Nothing official from YVR but go have a look!

Johnny Aussie
Oct 27, 2017, 1:08 AM
This just kind of crept up!

Interjet commenced services to CUN and MEX today.

Also, looks like CUN bumping up to 5 weekly after New Years.

nname
Oct 27, 2017, 1:30 AM
This just kind of crept up!

Interjet commenced services to CUN and MEX today.

Also, looks like CUN bumping up to 5 weekly after New Years.

I only see them increase MEX to daily and CUN to 5-6x weekly during the holidays, then back down to 4x weekly each after second week of Jan :???:

Johnny Aussie
Oct 27, 2017, 1:41 AM
I only see them increase MEX to daily and CUN to 5-6x weekly during the holidays, then back down to 4x weekly each after second week of Jan :???:

Most recent OAG scheds show an additional late afternoon flight on Mondays right through the end of February.

Regardless why the sad face? Seriously even at 4pw this is another great addition for YVR.

Look at where YVR-Mexico has gone in the last two years... Aeromexico and Interjet alone are a combined 22-23 weekly. MEX has exploded, CUN has exploded... AC adding frequencies (mainline on a lot of the flights). I don't understand the negativity of some posters sometimes.

nname
Oct 27, 2017, 7:06 AM
Regardless why the sad face? Seriously even at 4pw this is another great addition for YVR.

That was meant to be a confused face...

----

And.. did anyone mentioned that YVR-YMM seems to be completely gone now? From both AC and WS...

Johnny Aussie
Oct 27, 2017, 7:58 AM
And.. did anyone mentioned that YVR-YMM seems to be completely gone now? From both AC and WS...

Wouldn't surprise me in the least. That town's economy just tanked with low oil prices and the tragedy of the fire event made travel on thinner routes uneconomical.

It's so bad YEG-YMM on AC is down to only 3 flights per day on 50 seat DH3s and Westjet down to only 1 mainline and 3 Encore flights per day. Even YYC-YMM on AC has 2 out of the 5 now on DH3s and only 1 of the 5 daily Westjet flights are mainline.
YMM-YYZ back to only 2 daily E90s on AC and a single 73W on Westjet.

Johnny Aussie
Oct 27, 2017, 8:02 AM
Duplicate post... don't know how that happened.

trofirhen
Oct 27, 2017, 11:41 AM
I wonder if YVR will ever get Guadalajara (or Monterrey, for that matter)

libtard
Oct 27, 2017, 3:19 PM
YVR needs more South American routes

YVR - Bogota would be incredible

trofirhen
Oct 27, 2017, 3:33 PM
YVR needs more South American routes

YVR - Bogota would be incredibleSo would Lima, Santiago CL, and São Paulo

thenoflyzone
Oct 28, 2017, 1:59 PM
YVR needs more South American routes

YVR - Bogota would be incredible

"More" implies they already have one. That's not the case.

The problem with YVR-South America is that a narrow body cannot operate it. You need a long haul aircraft to make a go out of it. Demand between YVR and any South American city doesn't warrant a wide body. That's the main problem.

As for YVR-BOG, who is going to operate the route? The route is too long for AC's Max 8 or Max 9, so they would need to put a 763 or a 788 on it, which is too big. AV would need the same gauge of aircraft, but they don't even fly to SFO, a UA megahub. Seems to me SFO would be served before YVR.

Dont see Brazilian carriers launching YVR either. YVR-LIM is Rouge territory, and they are maxed out on 767s. So that leaves Asian carriers on a 5th freedom flight from YVR to S. America as the only option.

Problem with 5th freedom flights is, they are tough to make money on. They would not only be competing against US and EU carriers between Asia and South America, but also against the likes of EK, QR and TK, who operate to several cities in South America, and offer decent connections to East Asia from their hubs.

For these reasons, Asian carriers are less likely to return to South America, and thus, YVR less likely to get a South American run. The only plausible route is for a Japanese carrier resuming GRU service due to the huge Japanese community in that city. Then again, YVR might not be chosen as the midpoint. A few years ago, JL was eyeing a return at GRU via JFK. The Brazilian economy tanked and they were restructuring, so it didn't come to be. They might give it a go in the near future.

osirisboy
Oct 28, 2017, 4:59 PM
So why hasn't there been any flights to South America? with Vancouver wanting to funnel traffic all the Asian traffic to the Americas I would have expected to see something by now. At least something before Montreal getting Lima etc

SFUVancouver
Oct 28, 2017, 5:08 PM
I imagine that when early model 787s start hitting the used market in quantity, there could be a second wave of new route proving created by the aircraft. That might help the world's long-thin routes that don't justify new-build 787s but need that type of aircraft to be viable. I can see there being some of these routes between South America and Canada, including YVR connections to major southern hemisphere hubs.

Honestly, though, as nice as direct flights would be, nearly everything in South America is pretty much achievable with a single connection, whether that is in LAX, SFO, IAH, DFW, ATL, JFK/ERW, or MEX, or one day MIA. I flew to Quito through IAH last year and it was fine; IAH is a good airport for connections.

thenoflyzone
Oct 28, 2017, 6:44 PM
So why hasn't there been any flights to South America? with Vancouver wanting to funnel traffic all the Asian traffic to the Americas I would have expected to see something by now. At least something before Montreal getting Lima etc

YUL got LIM because of O&D, not connections. Peru is an up and coming tourism destination (Machu Picchu, etc).

Pretty much every route AC has been launching out of YUL, YVR and YYZ is based primarily on O&D.

I think YVR - South America is still too thin of a market to warrant the interest of AC or others. Connections alone isn't enough to launch a route and expect to make money.

libtard
Oct 28, 2017, 6:44 PM
I imagine that when early model 787s start hitting the used market in quantity, there could be a second wave of new route proving created by the aircraft. That might help the world's long-thin routes that don't justify new-build 787s but need that type of aircraft to be viable. I can see there being some of these routes between South America and Canada, including YVR connections to major southern hemisphere hubs.

Honestly, though, as nice as direct flights would be, nearly everything in South America is pretty much achievable with a single connection, whether that is in LAX, SFO, IAH, DFW, ATL, JFK/ERW, or MEX, or one day MIA. I flew to Quito through IAH last year and it was fine; IAH is a good airport for connections.
Interesting

nname
Oct 28, 2017, 9:01 PM
For these reasons, Asian carriers are less likely to return to South America, and thus, YVR less likely to get a South American run. The only plausible route is for a Japanese carrier resuming GRU service due to the huge Japanese community in that city. Then again, YVR might not be chosen as the midpoint. A few years ago, JL was eyeing a return at GRU via JFK. The Brazilian economy tanked and they were restructuring, so it didn't come to be. They might give it a go in the near future.

Chinese carriers do want flights to South America. And since a non-stop flight isn't possible for most routes, they have to make one-stop flights through either North America and Europe... A stop in Canada isn't possible at the moment since the bilateral restrict 5th freedoms to 2 routes, and both of them are already taken:
PEK-YUL-HAV
CAN-YVR-MEX

As far as I know, CZ had now decided to route their South America routes through Spain. Pretty much a direct competition with ME3, even more than routing it through N America...

trofirhen
Oct 29, 2017, 4:21 AM
YUL got LIM because of O&D, not connections. Peru is an up and coming tourism destination (Machu Picchu, etc).

Pretty much every route AC has been launching out of YUL, YVR and YYZ is based primarily on O&D.

I think YVR - South America is still too thin of a market to warrant the interest of AC or others. Connections alone isn't enough to launch a route and expect to make money.

Several years back, Johnny Aussie posted that he was surprised at the high number of O&D between Vancouver and Brazil. Don't know if that means anything. Johnny might know.

Johnny Aussie
Oct 30, 2017, 11:53 PM
Top 10 Airports

In thousands of tonnes total cargo tonnage.

Airport. 2016. 2015. Change. % change

YYZ 381.7 368.0 13.7 3.7%
YVR 246.8 238.4 8.4 3.5%
YHM 109.9 110.8 (0.9) (0.8%)
YUL 89.9 79.8 10.1 12.7%
YWG 84.2 65.9 18.3 27.8%
YYC 74.5 82.5 (8.0) (9.7%)
YMX 72.2 70.2 2.0 2.8%
YQM 28.8 29.0 (0.2) (0.7%)
YHZ 26.5 26.7 (0.2) (0.7%)
YEG 24.8 28.3 (3.5) (12.4%)

Decent growth for YVR holding its own in second spot again. More than double third placed YHM.

YYZ, just like passenger figures, way out in front in a league of its own.

Source: http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/cansim/a26?lang=eng&id=4010045

Just have to manipulate the tables using the "Add/Remove data" function.

SFUVancouver
Oct 30, 2017, 11:57 PM
Top 10 Airports

In thousands of tonnes total cargo tonnage.

Airport. 2016. 2015. Change. % change

YYZ 381.7 368.0 13.7 3.7%
YVR 246.8 238.4 8.4 3.5%
YHM 109.9 110.8 (0.9) (0.8%)
YUL 89.9 79.8 10.1 12.7%
YWG 84.2 65.9 18.3 27.8%
YYC 74.5 82.5 (8.0) (9.7%)
YMX 72.2 70.2 2.0 2.8%
YQM 28.8 29.0 (0.2) (0.7%)
YHZ 26.5 26.7 (0.2) (0.7%)
YEG 24.8 28.3 (3.5) (12.4%)

Decent growth for YVR holding its own in second spot again. More than double third placed YHM.

YYZ, just like passenger figures, way out in front in a league of its own.

Source: http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/cansim/a26?lang=eng&id=4010045

Just have to manipulate the tables using the "Add/Remove data" function.

Thanks for the stats. Good to see YVR humming along with healthy growth (3.5%). I presume a decent amount of that is in the form of belly cargo on up-gauged aircraft and new routes?

I'm surprised that Hamilton is so high. What's the reason for that? Is it a base/hub for integrators serving the Golden Horseshoe/GTA?

moosejaw
Oct 31, 2017, 1:57 AM
Thanks for the stats. Good to see YVR humming along with healthy growth (3.5%). I presume a decent amount of that is in the form of belly cargo on up-gauged aircraft and new routes?

I'm surprised that Hamilton is so high. What's the reason for that? Is it a base/hub for integrators serving the Golden Horseshoe/GTA?

Hamilton is mostly a largo overseas and overnight cargo airport. 36000 aircraft movements a year compared to at least 10% of YVR yet is less than half YVR's tonnage.

casper
Oct 31, 2017, 2:24 AM
Hamilton is mostly a largo overseas and overnight cargo airport. 36000 aircraft movements a year compared to at least 10% of YVR yet is less than half YVR's tonnage.

Same with Winnipeg. Cargojet (who operate for Purolator among others) has both Hamilton and Winnipeg as hubs.

Hourglass
Oct 31, 2017, 5:04 AM
Top 10 Airports

In thousands of tonnes total cargo tonnage.

Airport. 2016. 2015. Change. % change

YYZ 381.7 368.0 13.7 3.7%
YVR 246.8 238.4 8.4 3.5%
YHM 109.9 110.8 (0.9) (0.8%)
YUL 89.9 79.8 10.1 12.7%
YWG 84.2 65.9 18.3 27.8%
YYC 74.5 82.5 (8.0) (9.7%)
YMX 72.2 70.2 2.0 2.8%
YQM 28.8 29.0 (0.2) (0.7%)
YHZ 26.5 26.7 (0.2) (0.7%)
YEG 24.8 28.3 (3.5) (12.4%)

Decent growth for YVR holding its own in second spot again. More than double third placed YHM.

YYZ, just like passenger figures, way out in front in a league of its own.

Source: http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/cansim/a26?lang=eng&id=4010045

Just have to manipulate the tables using the "Add/Remove data" function.

nice. Just checked stats for 2017, and cargo @YVR is up 11.2% YTD, so this year is looking pretty good too.

twoNeurons
Oct 31, 2017, 6:56 AM
+------+-------+-------+-------+---------+
| IATA | 2016 | 2015 | Chg | %Chg |
+------+-------+-------+-------+---------+
| YYZ | 381.7 | 368.0 | 13.7 | 3.7% |
| YVR | 246.8 | 238.4 | 8.4 | 3.5% |
| YHM | 109.9 | 110.8 | (0.9) | (0.8%) |
| YUL | 89.9 | 79.8 | 10.1 | 12.7% |
| YWG | 84.2 | 65.9 | 18.3 | 27.8% |
| YYC | 74.5 | 82.5 | (8.0) | (9.7%) |
| YMX | 72.2 | 70.2 | 2.0 | 2.8% |
| YQM | 28.8 | 29.0 | (0.2) | (0.7%) |
| YHZ | 26.5 | 26.7 | (0.2) | (0.7%) |
| YEG | 24.8 | 28.3 | (3.5) | (12.4%) |
+------+-------+-------+-------+---------+

Protip: Wrapping this kind of thing in code tags and using this tool (https://senseful.github.io/text-table/) makes it easier to read.

LeftCoaster
Oct 31, 2017, 8:53 PM
YUL got LIM because of O&D, not connections. Peru is an up and coming tourism destination (Machu Picchu, etc).

Still find it tough to believe LIM has better O&D out of YUL than YVR. Peru has been a big tourist destination from BC for a long time and the mining companies in BC are very active in Peru.

Would be very interesting to see the numbers.

trofirhen
Nov 1, 2017, 3:46 PM
High-profile Yahoo! News announced the longest flight from the USA: LAX-Singapore at 14,117 km on United Airlines.
For comparison, YVR-Singapore is 12,827 km.
That's a difference of 1290 km; a respectable savings in time and fuel costs, one could think.
Perhaps YVR-Singapore would be a better connection for airports like JFK, and ORD. Worth keeping one's fingers crossed for, anyway.
Even more, JFK -YVR is 44 km shorter than JFK-LAX. We couldn't lose out on this one, all other things being equal, it seems

mezzanine
Nov 2, 2017, 5:11 AM
New blog posts about upcoming construction (http://www.yvr.ca/en/blog/2017/big-changes-coming-to-yvr) at YVR.

The work at templeton is going to be the new long-term parking.

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/images/construction/templeton-construction.jpg?h=577&w=1001&la=en&hash=A36DBB3AA04AAC62D0F2A7274FD7535BF47BFCAB

the short term expansion also notes a new covered walkway that sounds like it will avoid pedestrian interaction with arrivals car traffic. (the red branch-like structure on the lower right)

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/images/construction/newparkade.jpg?h=381&w=700&la=en&hash=8D9E8959A2EAF4D2EF98025D92E95086A2A8DE43


I think the new utilities building is going to be the teal building on the bottom left.

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/images/construction/cub-rendering.png?la=en&hash=4ACB2D21AFA53C56253F08219AEC7FE39369D64C

Marshal
Nov 2, 2017, 5:25 AM
That's a significant expansion of the main parkade - yes?

SFUVancouver
Nov 2, 2017, 4:52 PM
New blog posts about upcoming construction (http://www.yvr.ca/en/blog/2017/big-changes-coming-to-yvr) at YVR.
[...]

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/images/construction/newparkade.jpg?h=381&w=700&la=en&hash=8D9E8959A2EAF4D2EF98025D92E95086A2A8DE43

[...]

Wow, that's a major expansion planned for the structured parking. I'm glad to see it on the books.

connect2source
Nov 2, 2017, 7:39 PM
http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/images/construction/templeton-construction.jpg?h=577&w=1001&la=en&hash=A36DBB3AA04AAC62D0F2A7274FD7535BF47BFCAB

the short term expansion also notes a new covered walkway that sounds like it will avoid pedestrian interaction with arrivals car traffic. (the red branch-like structure on the lower right)

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/images/construction/newparkade.jpg?h=381&w=700&la=en&hash=8D9E8959A2EAF4D2EF98025D92E95086A2A8DE43


Also glad to see the parkade expanded, seems so small for an airport the size of YVR, also I hope the expansion allows for access from one level to another for cars, the present design does not. Also what's the long grey rectangular building to the south of the parkade? Is that an Pier A extension? ...looks huge!

SpongeG
Nov 2, 2017, 10:26 PM
why would they have a walkway to that pier a? will it have its own check ins, security and baggage pick up etc?

casper
Nov 2, 2017, 10:30 PM
why would they have a walkway to that pier a? will it have its own check ins, security and baggage pick up etc?

Security and Baggage pickup is probably not needed. Security for pier A is at the far south end of the current domestic terminal. If they need to build an expansion on the A pier might as well have some landside space that could be used for check in counters if they become required in the future.

The layout that Air Canada and WestJet has for domestic checkin takes up a lot of space. Mighty as well have some options available if these low-cost airlines start to come to life. If it is not needed, given it is land side it could be used for office space or commercial of some sort.

LeftCoaster
Nov 3, 2017, 11:10 PM
the short term expansion also notes a new covered walkway that sounds like it will avoid pedestrian interaction with arrivals car traffic.[/IMG]

Good, as nice as it is that YVR tried to keep pedestrians and cars in teh same realm it is really getting too busy to keep mixing the two. It's often quite difficult to get cars through the arrivals level (and even the departures) with the at grade crossings.

Wow, that's a major expansion planned for the structured parking. I'm glad to see it on the books.

Indeed it is, looks to be 50% larger than the existing. parkade.

LeftCoaster
Nov 3, 2017, 11:41 PM
September stats are out, international staying very strong but domestic weighing things down like an anvil:

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/facts-sheets/2017/september/traffic-update-september-2017.pdf?la=en

Domestic up 3.0%
International up 10.3%

---------

Total pax count up 6.6% and over 131,384 compared to September 2016.

---------

Int'l breakdown by sector:

Transborder up 7.6%
Asia Pacific up 14.5%
Europe up 5.2%
Misc Int'l up 53.3%

As usual there's always something strange with the numbers and this month seems to be charter. According to YVR scheduled traffic is actually down a whopping 9.5% but charter is up 508%. Clearly this can't be the case as I don't think I know of any major moves in the charter game. I'm hoping for some errors in the numbers and the domestic comes up a bit but my guess is the totals are correct and it's just a classification error or anomaly.

This drops YVR's year to date to 8.1%, just staying a bit above that 7.5% I expected the year to end out at. Hope we can hang on!

Johnny Aussie
Nov 4, 2017, 2:46 AM
September stats are out, international staying very strong but domestic weighing things down like an anvil:

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/facts-sheets/2017/september/traffic-update-september-2017.pdf?la=en

Domestic up 3.0%
International up 10.3%

---------

Total pax count up 6.6% and over 131,384 compared to September 2016.

---------

Int'l breakdown by sector:

Transborder up 7.6%
Asia Pacific up 14.5%
Europe up 5.2%
Misc Int'l up 53.3%

As usual there's always something strange with the numbers and this month seems to be charter. According to YVR scheduled traffic is actually down a whopping 9.5% but charter is up 508%. Clearly this can't be the case as I don't think I know of any major moves in the charter game. I'm hoping for some errors in the numbers and the domestic comes up a bit but my guess is the totals are correct and it's just a classification error or anomaly.

This drops YVR's year to date to 8.1%, just staying a bit above that 7.5% I expected the year to end out at. Hope we can hang on!

I’d say that’s still excellent growth! Don’t forget too that with the large increases observed over the last two years, the base is that much higher so % increases don’t necessarily paint the whole picture. The fact YVR saw 131,000 more pax in Sept 2017 vs Sept 2016 is amazing. Especially when compared to most other airports in Canada and especially Western Canada.

Another stellar month for cargo too.

Domestic is the blatant error. Probably a simple formula error that wasn’t picked up. I would email them and let them know. Transborder and Misc Int’l too.

libtard
Nov 7, 2017, 8:38 PM
I could have sworn that area south of templeton station was planned for a business park and hotel development. I even remember seeing renders

jollyburger
Nov 8, 2017, 3:42 AM
Yes it was a thing back in 2012 or so.

https://www.btnews.co.uk/images/101018/YVR_Sea_Island_Business_Park1.JPG

Credit: https://www.btnews.co.uk/article/2648

zahav
Nov 8, 2017, 4:00 AM
The corrected stats are now posted. I had reported it to YVR and this was the response I got:

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. A few airlines mistakenly defaulted to charter when reporting passenger numbers. It’s all fixed and updated on our website.

libtard
Nov 8, 2017, 7:59 AM
Yes it was a thing back in 2012 or so.

https://www.btnews.co.uk/images/101018/YVR_Sea_Island_Business_Park1.JPG

Credit: https://www.btnews.co.uk/article/2648

Very cool idea but it would involve extensive changes to Grand McConachy Way and Templeton Road. On closer inspection this will never happen

jollyburger
Nov 8, 2017, 7:19 PM
Very cool idea but it would involve extensive changes to Grand McConachy Way and Templeton Road. On closer inspection this will never happen

I think they're still talking about it but not in that form. The other one is between the Dinsmore Bridge and BCIT.

https://www.richmond.ca/__shared/assets/_5_Richmond_Response_YVR_2037_Master_Plan_PLN_06061747568.pdf

zahav
Nov 8, 2017, 9:17 PM
I mentioned this before on this forum, but I still don't know why they don't build another airport hotel on top of the new parkade. Something like a Hampton Inn, or more affordable option. The Fairmont is a luxury property and will always have a market, but they should have something more mid-range on site too. Above a parkade would be the best place, since it's just un-used air space. The Fairmont is not a viable option for most people, the rates are really high.

Alpine
Nov 9, 2017, 3:25 AM
I wonder how long it'll be before we see all of the main Vancouver-China services (AC29/30, CA992/991, AC25/26, MU582/581, MU598/597, CZ330/329) upgauge to 77W.

Well, speak of the devil. AC expanding from 789s to 77Ws for YVR-PVG in S18.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/274825/air-canada-s18-vancouver-shanghai-aircraft-changes/

Still holding out for that CZ 388 service to YVR...someday...

osirisboy
Nov 9, 2017, 3:33 AM
Does s18 mean summer or spring? This thread with abbreviating everything!

SpongeG
Nov 9, 2017, 7:04 AM
this is pretty cool, its weird that you can watch your flight from outside the plane

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vancouverer
Nov 12, 2017, 10:25 PM
New Design of Terminal 3?

from Tranhttp://www.westca.com/News/article/sid=612417/%E5%88%97%E6%B2%BB%E6%96%87%E5%B0%86%E5%BB%BA%E6%96%B0%E5%A4%A9%E8%BD%A6%E7%AB%99_%E9%A2%84%E6%B5%8B%E6%B2%BF%E7%BA%BF%E8%A6%81%E6%B6%A8_/lang=schinese.htmlslink info

Orcair
Nov 12, 2017, 11:20 PM
New Design of Terminal 3?


I don't think that's part of the short-term plans to expand each pier individually, but I have seen that design before as part of YVR's long-term plans. Since they promote the single terminal so much, I would imagine it will still be connected post-security too and called DTB (same as now). IIRC, the new pier will mostly be transborder flights.

trofirhen
Nov 12, 2017, 11:54 PM
I don't think that's part of the short-term plans to expand each pier individually, but I have seen that design before as part of YVR's long-term plans. Since they promote the single terminal so much, I would imagine it will still be connected post-security too and called DTB (same as now). IIRC, the new pier will mostly be transborder flights.

As I understand, having looked at terminal plan variations in past years, the design here is the "east" option, with a large portion extending out and up eastwards; not the "central" option.
There were several options -as we've all seen - and this would have been one with a large Transborder terminal area, abandoned in favour of extending the existing piers incrementally.

Lancaster
Nov 13, 2017, 1:36 AM
New Design of Terminal 3?

from Tranhttp://www.westca.com/News/article/sid=612417/%E5%88%97%E6%B2%BB%E6%96%87%E5%B0%86%E5%BB%BA%E6%96%B0%E5%A4%A9%E8%BD%A6%E7%AB%99_%E9%A2%84%E6%B5%8B%E6%B2%BF%E7%BA%BF%E8%A6%81%E6%B6%A8_/lang=schinese.htmlslink info

As Craig Richmond alluded to early this year during the Vancouver Board of Trade event, I think YVR's current plan is not to build a new terminal to the east anymore.

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mezzanine
Nov 16, 2017, 4:12 PM
New skyteam lounge at YVR finally is open. Looks (http://www.yvr.ca/en/blog/2017/skyteam-opens-first-lounge-in-the-americas-at-yvr) good (https://loungereview.com/first-look-skyteam-vancouver-lounge/)!

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/blog/2017/img_5446.jpg?h=534&w=800&la=en&hash=D78EC2A986F2AAFC0C2B816BE3445C4545D83259

https://www.loungereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/YVR-skyteam-lounge-yvr-07938.jpg

https://www.loungereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/YVR-skyteam-lounge-yvr-07966.jpg

https://www.loungereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/YVR-skyteam-lounge-yvr-pr-01.jpg

https://www.loungereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/YVR-skyteam-lounge-yvr-08129.jpg

YVR_Future
Nov 17, 2017, 5:23 AM
I had no idea YVR was getting a Skyteam lounge. Exciting!

casper
Nov 17, 2017, 9:52 PM
I had no idea YVR was getting a Skyteam lounge. Exciting!

Interesting, the Skyteam airlines that would use it include:
- Aeromexico
- Air France
- China Airlines
- China Eastern Airlines
- China Sothern Airlines
- KLM
- Korea Airlines
- Xiamen Airlines

Interesting 8 airlines. Impressive.

WestJet has been partnering with a number of Skyteam airlines, wonder if they would make use of this lounge. Probably not, they may stay with the Plaza Premium lounge.

excel
Nov 17, 2017, 10:31 PM
Interesting, the Skyteam airlines that would use it include:
- Aeromexico
- Air France
- China Airlines
- China Eastern Airlines
- China Sothern Airlines
- KLM
- Korea Airlines
- Xiamen Airlines

Interesting 8 airlines. Impressive.

WestJet has been partnering with a number of Skyteam airlines, wonder if they would make use of this lounge. Probably not, they may stay with the Plaza Premium lounge.

Yes WS will be staying with Plaza Premium for now.

Johnny Aussie
Nov 17, 2017, 10:50 PM
Interesting, the Skyteam airlines that would use it include:
- Aeromexico
- Air France
- China Airlines
- China Eastern Airlines
- China Sothern Airlines
- KLM
- Korea Airlines
- Xiamen Airlines

Interesting 8 airlines. Impressive.

WestJet has been partnering with a number of Skyteam airlines, wonder if they would make use of this lounge. Probably not, they may stay with the Plaza Premium lounge.

And Delta in the summer... The red eyes to JFK, ATL and DTW would go through International departures. And who knows maybe by the end of next year there may be another SkyTeam carrier using this lounge.

mezzanine
Nov 17, 2017, 11:08 PM
my guess, if it ever comes to fruition, is Vietnam airlines (https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/50819-vietnam-airlines-eyes-us-debut-in-early-4q18)

YVR_Future
Nov 18, 2017, 5:15 AM
Yes WS will be staying with Plaza Premium for now.

WS will soon have their own lounge in YVR.

WestJet hopes to lure away business travellers from Air Canada
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/westjet-hopes-to-lure-away-business-travellers-from-air-canada/article36974618/

The increased focus on business travellers includes WestJet building nine lounges during the next 18 months at airports in Calgary, Vancouver and Toronto that will replace those now operated by third parties. They will be managed by WestJet employees and carry the WestJet brand.

casper
Nov 18, 2017, 6:34 PM
WS will soon have their own lounge in YVR.

WestJet hopes to lure away business travellers from Air Canada
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/westjet-hopes-to-lure-away-business-travellers-from-air-canada/article36974618/

Even more interesting. I think the third party lounges in Vancouver and Toronto will do fine. There is enough AMEX passangers to keep them full. I wonder about Calgary domestic.

SpongeG
Nov 19, 2017, 9:25 PM
noticed some construction while at the airport yesterday

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4570/38528077591_521c5c85bc_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/21GAtaR)2017-11-19_02-23-01 (https://flic.kr/p/21GAtaR) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4563/38528064951_ed3c25a283_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/21GAppV)2017-11-19_02-22-47 (https://flic.kr/p/21GAppV) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

Lancaster
Nov 20, 2017, 12:39 AM
That almost looks like a new gate?

teriyaki
Nov 20, 2017, 2:36 AM
Flew into the international pier yesterday and saw some parts of the apron/taxi way was boarded up that I haven't noticed before. Didn't think to grab any pictures as I was shattered after 10+ hours in the air:(

Gordon
Nov 20, 2017, 4:20 AM
That certainly looks like a temporary gate being added the the west end of Pier D. It loos like it's right across the tarac from gate C46( google maps.

SpongeG
Nov 20, 2017, 5:37 AM
yes it was at pier d.

stiffdeadman
Nov 20, 2017, 7:16 AM
This could affect yvr somewhat especially if they link up with Alaska or Delta for codeshare and ffp benefits. Aer Lingus has announced 4 times weekly year round service from Dublin to Seattle starting in May 2018. If the price point is right could be an alternative to being stuck on Rouge. Also don't have to worry about the mess of clearing customs at SeaTac, as Dublin has USBP pre-clearance, like Canada does with US flights.

trofirhen
Nov 20, 2017, 3:34 PM
With Emirates, then Norwegian going year-round to Gatwick, and now Aer Lingus year round to Dublin, Seattle is moving on up.
I hope that Vancouver doesn't rest on its laurels thinking that we're so ahead of SEA in the overseas department. It may not stay that way. Craig Richmond will do all he can, naturally,
but I also hope that airlines find certain routes profitable, esp into Europe, and ramp up service >< YVR.
Seattle, is a larger market, of course, with a more robust economy, and more business pax, but Vancouver will, I hope, keep abreast of it. End of rant.

nname
Nov 20, 2017, 7:38 PM
This could affect yvr somewhat especially if they link up with Alaska or Delta for codeshare and ffp benefits. Aer Lingus has announced 4 times weekly year round service from Dublin to Seattle starting in May 2018. If the price point is right could be an alternative to being stuck on Rouge. Also don't have to worry about the mess of clearing customs at SeaTac, as Dublin has USBP pre-clearance, like Canada does with US flights.

For international flights, going from SEA is generally about the same price or more expensive than YVR. Just checked the price now and it's about $20-30 more expensive, unless you're only going one-way. However, this flight will definitely reduce the number of people going SEA-YVR-DUB though, not sure how many of there are there...

Vagabond
Nov 20, 2017, 7:57 PM
AC has just announced a codeshare arrangement with TG for flights from Taipei to Bangkok (https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status/932690060402573314). So it's looking like any medium-term prospect for YVR-BKK will be on TG (if at all).

SpongeG
Nov 20, 2017, 11:04 PM
doesn't microsoft have a large operation in dublin?
apple's european headquarters are there too aren't they?

stiffdeadman
Nov 21, 2017, 3:15 AM
doesn't microsoft have a large operation in dublin?
apple's european headquarters are there too aren't they?

yes to microsoft. don't know about apple. only thing holding seattle back is gate availability. having flown to las vegas from there earlier this week even at 3:30pm on a sunday, the south satellite (international gates) was packed. that's the one advantage aer lingus will have with the pre-clearance in dublin, not having to park at south satellite. any a330 capable gate will do.