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nname
Nov 30, 2018, 1:39 AM
Yes, on the China side.... but Canada still hasn’t raised its ceiling on allowable frequencies to the Chinese airlines... so that’s the roadblock on this end. Until that is raised, there are only 3 frequencies available for HU only.

Other airline can also adjust schedule and free up frequencies to apply for new routes. So.. other airlines may already got some adjustment plan ready... I can't imagine CA will let this opportunity go for PEK-YYZ, while CZ already planned to turn the new Beijing airport into their new fortress hub...

As for TSN-SZX route.. I believe the subsidy requirement is 2x weekly frequency, and they get the same amount of money regardless of them running 2x or 20x weekly flights. So I don't see them increasing the service unless it's doing very very well..?

EDIT: YVR-TSN seems no longer bookable after Jan 25?

Johnny Aussie
Nov 30, 2018, 2:52 AM
Other airline can also adjust schedule and free up frequencies to apply for new routes. So.. other airlines may already got some adjustment plan ready... I can't imagine CA will let this opportunity go for PEK-YYZ, while CZ already planned to turn the new Beijing airport into their new fortress hub...

As for TSN-SZX route.. I believe the subsidy requirement is 2x weekly frequency, and they get the same amount of money regardless of them running 2x or 20x weekly flights. So I don't see them increasing the service unless it's doing very very well..?

EDIT: YVR-TSN seems no longer bookable after Jan 25?

The number of frequencies allocated were to specific airlines on the Canadian side. Therefore, only Hainan will have unused frequencies. All other Chinese airlines have maxed out their frequencies. No one can use the three frequencies except for Hainan. I suppose Hainan could give those allotments to someone else but who knows!

nname
Nov 30, 2018, 2:55 AM
The number of frequencies allocated were to specific airlines on the Canadian side. Therefore, only Hainan will have unused frequencies. All other Chinese airlines have maxed out their frequencies. No one can use the three frequencies except for Hainan. I suppose Hainan could give those allotments to someone else but who knows!

I mean, for example, CA move 5 of the PEK-YVR frequency to PEK-YYZ, or CZ move 5 of the CAN-YVR frequency to ZBAD*-YVR

In fact, the only way the authority will accept application at PEK now will be through this kind of reallocation. Direct application for new service or increase frequency will be rejected until the middle of next year due to the poor OTP of the airport. This applies to foreign airlines too.

* = still waiting for official IATA code...

Johnny Aussie
Nov 30, 2018, 3:05 AM
I mean, for example, CA move 5 of the PEK-YVR frequency to PEK-YYZ, or CZ move 5 of the CAN-YVR frequency to ZBAD*-YVR

In fact, the only way the authority will accept application at PEK now will be through this kind of reallocation. Direct application for new service or increase frequency will be rejected until the middle of next year due to the poor OTP of the airport. This applies to foreign airlines too.

* = still waiting for official IATA code...

Of course but I highly doubt they would drop YVR frequencies. Or perhaps reduce YVR to daily in the summer (from 12 weekly) and deploy the 747-8i on YVR-PEK.

Looks like Shenzhen is still bookable perhaps they are going to go there nonstop instead of via Tianjin. Tianjin really seemed to be more of an experiment anyway. Despite its large population really quite close to PEK. Less than 90 minutes by car or coach.

Johnny Aussie
Nov 30, 2018, 9:42 AM
Saw a post on Twitter... MU will be deploying their new A350s on the YVR-PVG Route.

Other longhaul destinations are SYD, AMS and FRA.

This will bring F-Class and will be a decent capacity boost.

No date mentioned.

nname
Nov 30, 2018, 5:30 PM
Of course but I highly doubt they would drop YVR frequencies. Or perhaps reduce YVR to daily in the summer (from 12 weekly) and deploy the 747-8i on YVR-PEK.

Looks like Shenzhen is still bookable perhaps they are going to go there nonstop instead of via Tianjin. Tianjin really seemed to be more of an experiment anyway. Despite its large population really quite close to PEK. Less than 90 minutes by car or coach.

Yeah CA can move the summer-only 2nd flight to YYZ and use those frequencies year-round, and upgauge YVR flight to 748.

CZ can move 5x weekly new Beijing airport and upgauge to 388 (they still trying to find more work for their 388, currently only used for LAX, AMS, and domestic short-hual)

Route right meant alot for Chinese airlines, so it's quite likely they'll sacrifice something to fight for it... and the grading scheme made it clear that applying a route with 1 or 2 weekly will score very badly :rolleyes:

As for Shenzhen... maybe it's still one-stop but via a different city? :rolleyes:

LeftCoaster
Dec 1, 2018, 1:17 AM
Saw a post on Twitter... MU will be deploying their new A350s on the YVR-PVG Route.

Other longhaul destinations are SYD, AMS and FRA.

This will bring F-Class and will be a decent capacity boost.

No date mentioned.

Wasn't their plan to run 77Ws on YVR-PVG in the summer? If that is what they did this would be a hit to capacity, unless it is replacing the Nanjing runs which I doubt given the F class.

Johnny Aussie
Dec 1, 2018, 1:39 AM
Wasn't their plan to run 77Ws on YVR-PVG in the summer? If that is what they did this would be a hit to capacity, unless it is replacing the Nanjing runs which I doubt given the F class.

Nope that was a summer 2017 thing which was scheduled only for one month. Summer 2018 was all 332. The visual posted showed PVG-YVR connected not NKG.

nname
Dec 1, 2018, 1:59 AM
This had been circling as rumors for a while, but now made to the news... WUH announce plan to start service to several long-hual destinations by 2020, and both YVR and YYZ are included in the list.

Based on recent agreement with the airliner, CZ is the most likely airline to run this service... How they going to do it without more frequency though? Move a few weekly service to CAN-WUH-YVR, similar to SFO??

Johnny Aussie
Dec 1, 2018, 6:08 AM
What about Tianjin Airlines with service to Vancouver? Chongqing route a possibility for Vancouver by Hainan Airlines?

Could happen... basically the Hainan group has 3 frequencies to play with...

SpongeG
Dec 1, 2018, 6:10 AM
YVR posted some photos on their facebook (https://www.facebook.com/VancouverInternationalAirport/posts/1931406720230446)page

YVR 25 Million: Day 7 Construction.

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We are expanding our international terminal, expected to open in 2020! There will be 8 new gates, exciting new amenities and even a glassed-in forest.
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This new six-storey parkade and ground transportation facility will provide an additional 2,170 public parking stalls and 665 car rental stalls.
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This new building will improve efficiency by centralizing all equipment needed to meet the airport's heating, cooling and electrical demand
and will include the largest GeoExchange systems in Canada. Learn more: http://www.yvr.ca/en/passengers/construction/major-projects/central-utilities-building

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The East Apron Remote Stand Operations project will add to YVR's Transborder capacity by providing 10 remote stands.
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We are creating a new valet parking product to improve capacity, efficiency and customer satisfaction as we grow.
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Safety is at the core of everything we do at YVR which is why we are proactively investing $150 million to build Runway End Safety Areas (RESAs)
on all runways at YVR over the next three years.
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Johnny Aussie
Dec 2, 2018, 10:49 AM
Westjet has added additional flights to OGG over the Xmas period.
WS will be operating 17-18 flights per week over the peak.
The additional flights depart YVR at 1100.

On those days YVR-Hawaii will have 12 flights.

Also AM seems to have added even more flights to MEX with most days during the Xmas peak seeing 3 flights per day now... up to 6 flights per day to MEX between AM, AC and 4O.
Interjet has boosted its flights as well to both MEX ame CUN. CUN also seeing some days with 6 flights between 4O, AC, WS, TS and WG.

CloudInspector
Dec 3, 2018, 1:28 AM
No surprise! 1st Domestic destination for the WestJet 787-9 Dreamliner plane is on Calgary Toronto route, starting sometime in February 2019.

Probably a good plan to keep it close to home during the teething phase. Guess they learned from the 767 rollout!

excel
Dec 3, 2018, 5:16 AM
Probably a good plan to keep it close to home during the teething phase. Guess they learned from the 767 rollout!


They did the domestic routes first with the 767 as well. A certain amount of hours must be flown on the aircraft before the airline can be awarded its type specific ETOPS rating.

thenoflyzone
Dec 3, 2018, 1:58 PM
Probably a good plan to keep it close to home during the teething phase. Guess they learned from the 767 rollout!

Not so much teething issues as crew training.

They did the domestic routes first with the 767 as well. A certain amount of hours must be flown on the aircraft before the airline can be awarded its type specific ETOPS rating.

WS already operates the 767 and 737 on ETOPS 120/180 flights to Europe and Hawaii. Therefore WestJet has already established and demonstrated that the processes necessary for successful ETOPS operations are in place.

Meaning that with the 787, they have most likely already applied for accelerated ETOPS approval, which can be obtained in less than 3 months after the new frame is in service.

nname
Dec 4, 2018, 7:47 AM
And adding domestic rotation will NOT solve the issue with MEL. Currently the route need one extra frame for only about 10 hours every week, and there is no spare 789 lying around to run those 10 hours because all other 789s based in YVR are doing daily runs and they are all in the sky at that time. So either one of the weekly to MEL will need to be shifted by 12 hours (which is something AC haven't done for any of their routes I believe?), or one of the 789 route need to be reduced to 6x weekly.

... and the MEL puzzle also solved.

AC18 TPE-YVR reduced to x1
AC26 PVG-YVR 77W -> 789

AC532 YVR-BOS now reduced to Jun1 to Sep15

AC970 YVR-PVR 7M8 -> 320

SpongeG
Dec 4, 2018, 7:53 AM
I spent about 2 hours on a layover at YCC, Calgary today, there is so much wasted space there its just ridiculous how big it is and post security has crap offerings, the few sit down places are packed. Pre-security has a Chick Fil A, I didn't even know they were in Canada, I couldn't leave as I didn't want to go through all the hassle. At least the renos seem to be done and its better than it was but what a weird place

Johnny Aussie
Dec 4, 2018, 9:06 AM
... and the MEL puzzle also solved.

AC18 TPE-YVR reduced to x1
AC26 PVG-YVR 77W -> 789

AC532 YVR-BOS now reduced to Jun1 to Sep15

AC970 YVR-PVR 7M8 -> 320

And there you go! Things always have a way of working themselves out.

PVG continues to flip flop back and forth.

I think Asia is slowly settling to a more decent balance of capacity. Even tweaking one flight a week out of a daily schedule can boost profitability.

The BOS schedule seems to be about the same as last summer? This is definitely a route that would do well in peak summer and the 3 1/2 months seems to fit the pattern.

BTW love your updates... keep them coming!

nname
Dec 4, 2018, 10:06 AM
And there you go! Things always have a way of working themselves out.

PVG continues to flip flop back and forth.

I think Asia is slowly settling to a more decent balance of capacity. Even tweaking one flight a week out of a daily schedule can boost profitability.

The BOS schedule seems to be about the same as last summer? This is definitely a route that would do well in peak summer and the 3 1/2 months seems to fit the pattern.

BTW love your updates... keep them coming!

BOS had a ~May15 start this year.

There are more this week... but AC's site are super slow right now :hell:

Most of this weeks update seems to be focused on YYZ though:
- YYZ-BOS now mainline and taking up pretty much all of the remaining unused 500s number
- YYZ-SFO, YYZ-YOW, YYZ-YYT upgauge
- 7th daily YYZ-LAX
- 763 operating YYZ-YEG, YYZ-YOW

No change for YVR-YYZ so far.

Doesn't seems like AC is retiring E90 and 763...

Express changes:
AC8176 YXJ-YVR x7 -> daily
AC8182 YXJ-YVR 12345 -> x6
AC8188 YXJ-YVR --> *moved to AC8180*


I guess... YUL changes next week??

Alexcaban
Dec 4, 2018, 8:09 PM
... and the MEL puzzle also solved.

AC18 TPE-YVR reduced to x1
AC26 PVG-YVR 77W -> 789

AC532 YVR-BOS now reduced to Jun1 to Sep15

AC970 YVR-PVR 7M8 -> 320

Where is that 77W going?

Last year it was moved to AC864 which I doubt will happen this summer.

CareerShow
Dec 4, 2018, 9:46 PM
And there you go! Things always have a way of working themselves out.

PVG continues to flip flop back and forth.

I think Asia is slowly settling to a more decent balance of capacity. Even tweaking one flight a week out of a daily schedule can boost profitability.

The BOS schedule seems to be about the same as last summer? This is definitely a route that would do well in peak summer and the 3 1/2 months seems to fit the pattern.

BTW love your updates... keep them coming!


Based on the stats we’ve seen, in surprises in the frequency reduction for TPE, as load factors were in the high 90’s?

Also, is there now only two 77W transoceanic flight now (PEK & HKG)? Two summers back it was 4 I believe...HKG, PEK, PVG, LHR.

nname
Dec 4, 2018, 10:01 PM
Based on the stats we’ve seen, in surprises in the frequency reduction for TPE, as load factors were in the high 90’s?

Also, is there now only two 77W transoceanic flight now (PEK & HKG)? Two summers back it was 4 I believe...HKG, PEK, PVG, LHR.

Well, they must cut a weekly 789 somewhere right? (or add a 3x weekly ULH but that's not going to happen anymore) And TPE is probably one of the weakest Pacific route besides KIX.

I feel like it may have something to do with the recent slot trade... AC wanted to reduce the downtime at LHR so trying to trade away a 6-8 (?) hr turnaround block with one that's 1h 20min... but the slot requested is not available and ended up with a 40min turnaround... in the end there's still a plane sitting at LHR most of the day, so they'll still have to free a plane up somewhere.

AC got a lot of downtime at LHR... If they can keep trading to get better slots, it can basically free up 2 planes.

LeftCoaster
Dec 4, 2018, 11:28 PM
Nope that was a summer 2017 thing which was scheduled only for one month. Summer 2018 was all 332. The visual posted showed PVG-YVR connected not NKG.

Ahh gotcha, I had my chart wrong for that then.

... and the MEL puzzle also solved.

AC18 TPE-YVR reduced to x1
AC26 PVG-YVR 77W -> 789

AC532 YVR-BOS now reduced to Jun1 to Sep15

AC970 YVR-PVR 7M8 -> 320

Ugh, reductions across the board. PVG from 77W to 789 in particular is a big hit.

I'm now showing a decrease in long haul seats summer 2019 compared to summer 2018, even when including for the Wow service that may or may not happen given their current turmoil.

I'm not too surprised that Asia is slowing (or in this case down nearly 4% from 2018) given the unsustainably low fares, but I figured given the outrageously high fares summer 2018 we would see Europe picking up more of the slack. At this point if Wow doesn't happen available seats are up a paltry 0.9%.

2019 is not shaping up to be a big growth year across the water, hopefully domestic and transborder can pick up the slack. Those A220s can't come soon enough!

thenoflyzone
Dec 4, 2018, 11:36 PM
Ahh gotcha, I had my chart wrong for that then.



Ugh, reductions across the board. PVG from 77W to 789 in particular is a big hit.

I'm now showing a decrease in long haul seats summer 2019 compared to summer 2018, even when including for the Wow service that may or may not happen given their current turmoil.

I'm not too surprised that Asia is slowing (or in this case down nearly 4% from 2018) given the unsustainably low fares, but I figured given the outrageously high fares summer 2018 we would see Europe picking up more of the slack. At this point if Wow doesn't happen available seats are up a paltry 0.9%.

2019 is not shaping up to be a big growth year across the water, hopefully domestic and transborder can pick up the slack. Those A220s can't come soon enough!

This was inevitable.

Number of factors.

1. Chinese carriers maxed-out in Canada. (directly impacts YVR)
2. AC long haul fleet maxed out. (affects all Canadian airports)
3. Asia yields in the gutter. (affects YVR more than YYZ/YUL)
4. European yields far superior, which is where the bulk of AC's expansions in 2019 is concentrated.

For YVR to continue with the current growth rate, it will need to come from foreign airlines, at least for long haul ops.

Johnny Aussie
Dec 4, 2018, 11:52 PM
Ahh gotcha, I had my chart wrong for that then.



Ugh, reductions across the board. PVG from 77W to 789 in particular is a big hit.

I'm now showing a decrease in long haul seats summer 2019 compared to summer 2018, even when including for the Wow service that may or may not happen given their current turmoil.

I'm not too surprised that Asia is slowing (or in this case down nearly 4% from 2018) given the unsustainably low fares, but I figured given the outrageously high fares summer 2018 we would see Europe picking up more of the slack. At this point if Wow doesn't happen available seats are up a paltry 0.9%.

2019 is not shaping up to be a big growth year across the water, hopefully domestic and transborder can pick up the slack. Those A220s can't come soon enough!

Yeah there seems to be a lot of changes going on with Asia.

Here in Australia we have Air China pulling out of BNE, Hong Kong Airlines pulling out of CNS and OOL. Secondary routes are also being affected. No growth at all.

Perhaps YVR needs to absorb the flood of capacity added in the last few years. Hopefully YVR holds on to its routes and airlines. NGO and GLA being the only losses.

Plus in Canada we’ve got Hainan pulling YYC and YYC-NRT on hiatus as well.

LeftCoaster
Dec 4, 2018, 11:53 PM
Yep. Our last domestic hope was WS, and they've picked YYC as their longhaul hub.

I don't see too many other carriers looking at YVR from Asia.
- Asiana should be here but for some reason isn't.
- Thai, Vietnam, and Singapore are all very unlikely.
- Turkish is also a long shot and only 3X if it does happen
- Qantas is the only likely growth with an upguage on YVR-SYD to a more frequent dreamliner vs sporadic 3x 747.

Closer to home:
- Copa should happen, I think they can fill in the YVR-South America void no one seems willing to jump on.
- MTY or GDL I think are still quite likely. The latin population in Vancouver is growing rapidly and tourism from and to Mexico is flourishing.

Transborder and domestic should still do well though. The economy here continues to boom and pop growth remains steady at 40,000-50,000 a year.

CloudInspector
Dec 5, 2018, 12:23 AM
Yep. Our last domestic hope was WS, and they've picked YYC as their longhaul hub.

Yes and no. They’ve announced the first international routes from YYC but haven’t said anything about Asia/Australia. I wouldn’t count them out just yet.

nname
Dec 5, 2018, 1:03 AM
- Copa should happen, I think they can fill in the YVR-South America void no one seems willing to jump on.

COPA cannot add more frequency to Canada. The bilateral with Panama is maxed out.


And you know.. from AC... YYZ probably also end up in capacity reduction or nearly break even... YUL may have a bit of gain, but nothing big either.

Seems like the new widebodies coming this year ended up replacing Rouge, and most of the Rouge plane freed up being used to increase network reliability.

trofirhen
Dec 5, 2018, 6:32 AM
Yes and no. They’ve announced the first international routes from YYC but haven’t said anything about Asia/Australia. I wouldn’t count them out just yet.

Somewhere, not long afer their announcement of going "big time" with 787s overseas, I saw a map of projected future routes, and it showed YVR to Lima and Santiago.
That might come to pass in a few years. Also, there has been a lot of "talk over recent months about "iminent" flights to Brazil. That could still happen, though with airline I don't know.

CloudInspector
Dec 5, 2018, 7:11 AM
Somewhere, not long afer their announcement of going "big time" with 787s overseas, I saw a map of projected future routes, and it showed YVR to Lima and Santiago.
That might come to pass in a few years. Also, there has been a lot of "talk over recent months about "iminent" flights to Brazil. That could still happen, though with airline I don't know.

Yeah, I’ve seen that map as well. It has YVR and YYZ as the major hubs as well as YYC. Also Gregg making a speech at the Vancouver Board of Trade with a focus on Asia make me think we’ll see a good chunk of the 787 flying. Likely they’re keeping the 787s close to home initially, but I suspect future announcements will include YVR and YYZ.

Gordon
Dec 5, 2018, 2:01 PM
I wonder what happened to the 7(?) major destinations that yVR said they would have by 2020?

It would be nice to have a couple of South East Asian Routes,

There is still basically no information on Pier F. If it is accessed from the from east end of the check-ibn aea how will it access the customs pre clearance area?

stiffdeadman
Dec 7, 2018, 6:26 AM
Yep. Our last domestic hope was WS, and they've picked YYC as their longhaul hub.

I don't see too many other carriers looking at YVR from Asia.
- Asiana should be here but for some reason isn't.
- Thai, Vietnam, and Singapore are all very unlikely.
- Turkish is also a long shot and only 3X if it does happen
- Qantas is the only likely growth with an upguage on YVR-SYD to a more frequent dreamliner vs sporadic 3x 747.

Closer to home:
- Copa should happen, I think they can fill in the YVR-South America void no one seems willing to jump on.
- MTY or GDL I think are still quite likely. The latin population in Vancouver is growing rapidly and tourism from and to Mexico is flourishing.

Transborder and domestic should still do well though. The economy here continues to boom and pop growth remains steady at 40,000-50,000 a year.

surprised volaris hasn't jumped on guadalajara yet.

Johnny Aussie
Dec 7, 2018, 7:02 AM
surprised volaris hasn't jumped on guadalajara yet.

That is one route I would agree is in the "highly likely" category.

I would never have expected AM to fly 3 daily flights from YVR-MEX even if just for the peak Xmas period.

YVR-Mexico (not sun destination flying) still appears to be in growth mode.

Johnny Aussie
Dec 7, 2018, 4:59 PM
Airlineroute from Twitter:

“WOW air extended schedule listing into winter 2019/20 season, on/after 27OCT19. Vancouver service will continue in winter season, 5 weekly A321”

jlousa
Dec 7, 2018, 5:34 PM
Anyone think the whole deal with the Huawei CFO is going to have any effect on the number of flights passing thru Vancouver to China?

scryer
Dec 7, 2018, 5:43 PM
Anyone think the whole deal with the Huawei CFO is going to have any effect on the number of flights passing thru Vancouver to China?

It could increase flights if they needed to send employees back :P .

osirisboy
Dec 7, 2018, 5:50 PM
I don't need think so, Especially if it can be shown as a one off. Also, if someone was avoiding flying in and out of the us to avoid apprehension they should know that they can still be apprehended in Canada (and other countries)

Also where are the October stats?! Who's the person that emails them? Haha

Henbo
Dec 7, 2018, 6:15 PM
Anyone think the whole deal with the Huawei CFO is going to have any effect on the number of flights passing thru Vancouver to China?

On its own, I don't think so, just because I believe much of the flight demand between here and China is family and tourism related, not necessarily business (but no idea the proportion of those visitors who are Chinese executives, but I expect this would be relatively low)

Overall, I think it depends if you consider this as part of the rising tensions / trade war between US/China or not. Because that is a factor which analysts say is starting to effect the Chinese economy (possibly evident by the cut back in Chinese flights that was just discussed)

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/2174541/china-data-shows-economic-growth-slowing-impact-trade-war-us

Johnny Aussie
Dec 8, 2018, 12:48 AM
YVR has posted Oct 2018 pax figures

Not a bad month... definitely a slower rate but an excellent result nonetheless.

Another 2 million + month... pretty soon each month should exceed 2 million

YTD International up almost 1,000,000 over YTD 2017.

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/facts-sheets/2018/10-october/traffic-update-october-2018-website.pdf?la=en

Overall up 5.9% up 116,000 to 2,068,859
Domestic up 4.0% up 40,000 to 1,029,447
International up 7.9% up 76,000 to 1,039,412

International breakdown:
Transborder up 6.8%
Asia Pacific up 5.1%
Europe up 10.8%
Misc intl up 33.9%

********

YTD overall up 7.9% up 1.62 million to 22,028,389
YTD domestic up 6.5% up 643,000 to 10,535,803
YTD international up 9.3% up 976,000 to 11,492,586

Oh yeah... and if anybody wants to bring up SEA (YIKES! yet again) go look at their Oct 2018 and YTD int'l stats first - including their breakdowns for Canada, Asia and Europe.

nname
Dec 8, 2018, 2:24 AM
I guess YVR is not going to pass 26M this year?
My prediction: 7.5% increase by year end, with a total of 25.98M passengers :D

Johnny Aussie
Dec 8, 2018, 4:56 AM
I guess YVR is not going to pass 26M this year?
My prediction: 7.5% increase by year end, with a total of 25.98M passengers :D

It's going to be sooooo close.

jollyburger
Dec 8, 2018, 6:37 AM
On its own, I don't think so, just because I believe much of the flight demand between here and China is family and tourism related, not necessarily business (but no idea the proportion of those visitors who are Chinese executives, but I expect this would be relatively low)

Overall, I think it depends if you consider this as part of the rising tensions / trade war between US/China or not. Because that is a factor which analysts say is starting to effect the Chinese economy (possibly evident by the cut back in Chinese flights that was just discussed)

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/2174541/china-data-shows-economic-growth-slowing-impact-trade-war-us

Just stick a few Americans in jail and do a prisoner trade. :D

Unless China decides on a macro level to ban travel, it won't mean anything.

SpongeG
Dec 9, 2018, 6:38 AM
Relay is replacing what I want to say was a Golf Store and an iStore.

pic by me saturday dec 08

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4882/45326066095_200bc898d9_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2c4iWjc)2018-12-08_10-36-09 (https://flic.kr/p/2c4iWjc) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

thenoflyzone
Dec 9, 2018, 3:19 PM
surprised volaris hasn't jumped on guadalajara yet.

That is one route I would agree is in the "highly likely" category.

Based on what?

zahav
Dec 9, 2018, 8:43 PM
For those who want to check out Seatac, this is the link. It downloads as an excel file (weird!) rather than a PDF or viewed on the page.

Ya Seatac's stats are not great at all when you hear about their massive domestic and international expansions (+3.6% growth vs. YVR +7.9%).

For YTD with Canadian airports to October (of course without YYZ because it takes them 10 years to post):

Highest domestic growth: YYC +7.3%
Highest Transborder: YUL +8.1%
Highest International (non-transborder): YVR +12.3%
Highest International (total): YVR +9.3%
Highest Overall: YVR 7.9%

But in all categories, each of these 3 had fairly decent growth (all well above 5%-6%). The only exception is +3.6% domestic growth at YUL, which was the smallest of all airports all components. International is definitely king there, moreso now than before

Johnny Aussie
Dec 9, 2018, 10:04 PM
For those who want to check out Seatac, this is the link. It downloads as an excel file (weird!) rather than a PDF or viewed on the page.

Ya Seatac's stats are not great at all when you hear about their massive domestic and international expansions (+3.6% growth vs. YVR +7.9%).

For YTD with Canadian airports to October (of course without YYZ because it takes them 10 years to post):

Highest domestic growth: YYC +7.3%
Highest Transborder: YUL +8.1%
Highest International (non-transborder): YVR +12.3%
Highest International (total): YVR +9.3%
Highest Overall: YVR 7.9%

But in all categories, each of these 3 had fairly decent growth (all well above 5%-6%). The only exception is +3.6% domestic growth at YUL, which was the smallest of all airports all components. International is definitely king there, moreso now than before

You didn’t post the link for SEA.

Yeah I was looking at their intl stats YTD as well.

YTD SEA up 6.7% but only up 292K for a YTD total of 4.6 million
YVR YTD up 9.3% and up 976K for a total of 11.5 million

SEA’s YTD Asia is actually down 3.2%

Obviously next year SEA will have a better year but YVR has widened the intl gap with SEA by almost 700,000 this year.... certainly not catching up like some posters think. Just go look at the facts before posting rubbish.

By year end the international gap between SEA and YVR will be over 7 million. Taking out transborder from both, the variance will still be well over 3 million. Think about how many additional flights they would have to add to even come close to YVR’s international numbers. Not happening anytime soon despite the addition of maybe 3-4 daily international flights next year.

thenoflyzone
Dec 10, 2018, 2:21 AM
You know what I meant. Stop acting dumb. The catch-up will happen in the next few years, once SQ, JL, CX start service, and DL expands intl as well.

Speaking of rubbish, you still haven't answered my question? GDL highly likely based on what? hopes and dreams ?

casper
Dec 10, 2018, 3:42 AM
You know what I meant. Stop acting dumb. The catch-up will happen in the next few years, once SQ, JL, CX start service, and DL expands intl as well.

Speaking of rubbish, you still haven't answered my question? GDL highly likely based on what? hopes and dreams ?

Well Seattle airport is a disaster from a security perspective. During the summer very long lines for security. Much of it driven by the cruise ship trade. International arrivals is also an even bigger pain. During peek periods it operating at far above capacity.

They have some work to do and they are working on it.

thenoflyzone
Dec 10, 2018, 12:50 PM
I guess we should be thanking YVR for sending us those Rouge frames...

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/281908/air-canada-rouge-boosts-athens-service-in-s19/

Klazu
Dec 10, 2018, 3:05 PM
I guess YVR is not going to pass 26M this year?
My prediction: 7.5% increase by year end, with a total of 25.98M passengers :D

Oh wow. YVR numbers truly put YUL to shame. :haha:

osirisboy
Dec 10, 2018, 3:54 PM
I guess we should be thanking YVR for sending us those Rouge frames...

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/281908/air-canada-rouge-boosts-athens-service-in-s19/

is that link really yvr related? :shrug:

Denscity
Dec 10, 2018, 4:06 PM
Ya less Rouge more mainline for YVR!

nname
Dec 10, 2018, 5:18 PM
I guess we should be thanking YVR for sending us those Rouge frames...

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/281908/air-canada-rouge-boosts-athens-service-in-s19/

And I thought I already posted in the Canadian thread... these increase comes from the cut to LIS.... YYZ-LIS down to 4x weekly and YUL-LIS down to 1x weekly - both a 2x weekly cut.

The 3 frame from YVR goes to:
7x weekly increase in YYZ Rouge route
7x weekly conversion of WAW to Rouge
1 frame to increase Rouge reliability

Johnny Aussie
Dec 10, 2018, 6:27 PM
That's the beauty of these forums though. You can choose to ignore certain posters if you want. I wouldn't be surprised if some have chosen to ignore me and that's their prerogative.

Luckily there are plenty of posters who add great value to this thread though. Luckily there are very few who don't.

Alexcaban
Dec 10, 2018, 6:44 PM
And I thought I already posted in the Canadian thread... these increase comes from the cut to LIS.... YYZ-LIS down to 4x weekly and YUL-LIS down to 1x weekly - both a 2x weekly cut.

The 3 frame from YVR goes to:
7x weekly increase in YYZ Rouge route
7x weekly conversion of WAW to Rouge
1 frame to increase Rouge reliability

I'm not sure where you are seeing these LIS cuts?

YUL-LIS still loads at 3 weekly (357), the only thing that seemed to change is the times.

YYZ-LIS is where it seems to be cut from daily to 5 weekly

nname
Dec 10, 2018, 10:03 PM
I'm not sure where you are seeing these LIS cuts?

YUL-LIS still loads at 3 weekly (357), the only thing that seemed to change is the times.

YYZ-LIS is where it seems to be cut from daily to 5 weekly

Timetable. I only trust AC timetable as it's pretty much always the first to update.

AC 1916 YYZ-LIS 1236
AC 1960 YUL-LIS 3

And I cross-checked this result with June and August, and it gives the same result.

casper
Dec 10, 2018, 10:47 PM
Timetable. I only trust AC timetable as it's pretty much always the first to update.

AC 1916 YYZ-LIS 1236
AC 1960 YUL-LIS 3

And I cross-checked this result with June and August, and it gives the same result.

Given it is YVR thread, any word on a YVR-LIS flight? My preference would be if it were announced to be on TP instead of AC. We don't want thouse Rouge aircraft making their way to YVR.

Johnny Aussie
Dec 10, 2018, 10:53 PM
Given it is YVR thread, any word on a YVR-LIS flight? My preference would be if it were announced to be on TP instead of AC. We don't want thouse Rouge aircraft making their way to YVR.

I’d say very unlikely TBH. Don’t think the YVR-LIS market is that large at all. And neither end would have many beneficial connections that aren’t already established through other gateways.
Probably not much else on the Europe front that would be viable from YVR.

But yes.... YVR is almost a rouge free zone now.

I just did a quick calc for those still thinking SEA is gonna catch up to YVR’s international numbers anytime soon.....

SEA would need to add 35 daily flights on 280 seat aircraft (the largest of any announced new route - CX on A350s... the other 3 announced routes - not all daily either.. on much smaller capacity aircraft) to even match YVR’s international numbers (YES that includes transborder for both cities but that’s the definition of international folks).

LeftCoaster
Dec 11, 2018, 1:12 AM
COPA cannot add more frequency to Canada. The bilateral with Panama is maxed out.

Well that seems outrageously low.
Copa:
4xYYZ
4xYUL

AC
3xYYZ

8 flights per week by copa maxes out the bulateral? 11 in total between all of Panama and Canada. That's ridiculous.

Airlineroute from Twitter:

“WOW air extended schedule listing into winter 2019/20 season, on/after 27OCT19. Vancouver service will continue in winter season, 5 weekly A321”

That's a great sign. Still concerned for Wow's future, private equity backing or not, but at least if they do survive it looks like YVR is a market they want to really fight for


I just did a quick calc for those still thinking SEA is gonna catch up to YVR’s international numbers anytime soon.....

SEA would need to add 35 daily flights on 280 seat aircraft (the largest of any announced new route - CX on A350s... the other 3 announced routes - not all daily either.. on much smaller capacity aircraft) to even match YVR’s international numbers (YES that includes transborder for both cities but that’s the definition of international folks).

Ya and that all assumes that YVR doesn't grow at all, which despite the low capacity increase on the books for next summer, winter still has a decent boost, as does transborder.

nname
Dec 11, 2018, 1:25 AM
Well that seems outrageously low.
Copa:
4xYYZ
4xYUL

AC
3xYYZ

8 flights per week by copa maxes out the bulateral? 11 in total between all of Panama and Canada. That's ridiculous.

5x YYZ-PTY
4x YUL-PTY

9x weekly for each side.

AC still have 6x weekly unused.

stiffdeadman
Dec 11, 2018, 3:22 AM
Well Seattle airport is a disaster from a security perspective. During the summer very long lines for security. Much of it driven by the cruise ship trade. International arrivals is also an even bigger pain. During peek periods it operating at far above capacity.

They have some work to do and they are working on it.

this is where tsa precheck shows its value. i have it and breeze through security with no waits.

Johnny Aussie
Dec 11, 2018, 5:16 AM
Ya and that all assumes that YVR doesn't grow at all, which despite the low capacity increase on the books for next summer, winter still has a decent boost, as does transborder.

Speaking of Transborder... with the lastest changes (mainly additions by AC)... as it stands right now YVR will have 100 daily Transborder flights next summer.

Breakdown by carrier:

AC 43
UA 16
DL 13
WS 11
AA 8
AS 8
CX 1

Johnny Aussie
Dec 11, 2018, 7:41 AM
Hong Kong Airlines to upgauge to 359 effective 22 March 2019.

Daily from 1 May again.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/281927/hong-kong-airlines-s19-vancouver-aircraft-changes/

The 359 will also operate the month of January

From 22 March - 30 April

HX080 HKG1230 – 1010YVR 359 x24
HX081 YVR1210 – 1650+1HKG 359 x24

From 1 May

HX080 HKG1230 – 1010YVR 359 D
HX081 YVR1210 – 1650+1HKG 359 D

Replacing the older 332... Wait! That’s actually an increase in seats?! No way! :runaway:

Denscity
Dec 11, 2018, 8:51 PM
Speaking of Transborder... with the lastest changes (mainly additions by AC)... as it stands right now YVR will have 100 daily Transborder flights next summer.

Breakdown by carrier:

AC 43
UA 16
DL 13
WS 11
AA 8
AS 8
CX 1

100 daily transborder flights is amazing Johnny! How does that compare to the other big airports in Canada?

Johnny Aussie
Dec 12, 2018, 12:22 AM
100 daily transborder flights is amazing Johnny! How does that compare to the other big airports in Canada?

YYC will have about 54 and YEG 13.

Don’t know about the rest although I’m sure YYZ is 200+

YVR also a higher proportion of mainline on US carriers.

thenoflyzone
Dec 12, 2018, 12:29 AM
these increase comes from the cut to LIS.... YYZ-LIS down to 4x weekly and YUL-LIS down to 1x weekly - both a 2x weekly cut.


The cuts to LIS are suprising, considering Calin Rovinescu is on record as saying LIS performed well in summer 2018.

If what Calin is saying is true, then it could simply mean that LIS, although profitable, is not as high yielding as ATH. Would make sense, since AC has no competition on YUL/YYZ-ATH, and does on YYZ-LIS and (to a lesser extent) on YUL-LIS.

If these cuts are true, and AC truly plans a 1x weekly YUL-LIS service, then it's a perfect time for TP to start YUL and try and kick AC out of the market.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4216628-air-canadas-acdvf-ceo-calin-rovinescu-q3-2018-results-earnings-call-transcript?page=4

During your busy month of June, we began operating several new trends Atlantic routes including our non-stop mainline service to Shannon from Toronto, to Dublin from Montreal, and to Zurich and Paris from Vancouver, as well as our non-stop Air Canada Rouge services to Bucharest and Lisbon from Montreal and to Bucharest, Puerto, and Zagreb from Toronto. We’re happy to say that all of these new routes met or exceeded our expectations, and I’d also like to highlight that Athens, Rome, and Lisbon also performed very well.

Given it is YVR thread, any word on a YVR-LIS flight? My preference would be if it were announced to be on TP instead of AC. We don't want thouse Rouge aircraft making their way to YVR.

YVR-BCN is larger than YVR-LIS. Alas, no Rouge means no Barcelona. As for TAP, their next Canadian destination will be YUL. Vancouver isn't even on their radar. Here is what is in North America:

Montreal
Chicago (begins June)
Washington (begins June)
San Francisco
increase Newark to daily

LeftCoaster
Dec 12, 2018, 11:29 PM
5x YYZ-PTY
4x YUL-PTY

9x weekly for each side.

AC still have 6x weekly unused.

That's a pretty pathetic bilateral, even for Canadian standards.

Speaking of Transborder... with the lastest changes (mainly additions by AC)... as it stands right now YVR will have 100 daily Transborder flights next summer.

Breakdown by carrier:

AC 43
UA 16
DL 13
WS 11
AA 8
AS 8
CX 1

Do you happen to remember what last years was? I think there is a pretty decent jump in transborder seats summer 19, could help keep growth going in the absence of long haul growth.

YVR-BCN is larger than YVR-LIS. Alas, no Rouge means no Barcelona.

Coincidentally I'll be adding to the LIS-YVR O&D this Christmas, maybe I'll be the ticket that tips the scale :D

Realistically if YVR nabs a new European destination I'd imagine it will still be a Germanic destination or longer shot Italy.

Barcelona could be started by Level, Veuling, or Norwegian but they'd need some codeshare on the Canada side since they would have no feed otherwise.

That said I think most Europe growth over the next 3-4 years will be strengthening of existing destinations (ie AF finally going daily or AC making FRA year round).

mezzanine
Dec 13, 2018, 1:42 AM
Coincidentally I'll be adding to the LIS-YVR O&D this Christmas, maybe I'll be the ticket that tips the scale :D

Realistically if YVR nabs a new European destination I'd imagine it will still be a Germanic destination or longer shot Italy.

Barcelona could be started by Level, Veuling, or Norwegian but they'd need some codeshare on the Canada side since they would have no feed otherwise.

That said I think most Europe growth over the next 3-4 years will be strengthening of existing destinations (ie AF finally going daily or AC making FRA year round).

For some reason, wound up in Portugal twice this year:

Trip 1:
YVR-FRA-LIS - on LH. typical efficient service, Wifi on TATL leg

LIS-YUL-YVR - wanted LH, but ++ cheaper on rouge to YUL, cheaper than Rouge to YYZ. low expectations were met, so not bad? at YUL, customs quite smooth, MLL smaller than I expected. Flew a 737 mas from YUL, but wifi not set up then.

Trip 2:
YVR-FRA-LIS

OPO-MUC-YVR - tight 1 hr connection, but doable if no IIROPs, OPO airport just jammed, OPO leg ++ delayed and would miss MUC flight.

Opted to take OPO - EWR - YVR. Doable and probably better than rouge (wifi on TATL leg!) but: 1) need global entry or EWR transfer would be hell 2) US transfers will not check your bag thru, so remember to take it at EWR.

------

Realistically, I would like to see LH take MUC year round and AC take FRA year round. AF to daily year round would be nice too. MUC has may more connections to Europe in general, especially central/eastern Europe.

Johnny Aussie
Dec 13, 2018, 3:55 AM
Do you happen to remember what last years was? I think there is a pretty decent jump in transborder seats summer 19, could help keep growth going in the absence of long haul growth.

Last summer it was closer to 95 flights per day.

YVR Bruce
Dec 13, 2018, 5:08 AM
Surprised that no one has commented on today's Routesonline news that UA was adding daily SFO-DEL service. Also 3 x week to MEL - although that one shouldn't affect AC's YVR service as much.

It goes to show that our hometown AC/YVR team has been nicely out in front on these destinations. I hope that UA doesn't draw much business from our DEL daily.

thenoflyzone
Dec 13, 2018, 12:51 PM
Surprised that no one has commented on today's Routesonline news that UA was adding daily SFO-DEL service. Also 3 x week to MEL - although that one shouldn't affect AC's YVR service as much.

It goes to show that our hometown AC/YVR team has been nicely out in front on these destinations. I hope that UA doesn't draw much business from our DEL daily.

United promised a historical route announcement. Ended up being anything but. Because of the word used, people were speculating SGN, JNB, BKK, or a return of their round the world service (UA1/2).

In the end, it was a disappointment in that regard, as United already flies to all the destinations it announced.

As for SFO, it has had non stop DEL service since 2015 with Air India, and non stop to MEL since last September with Qantas.

UA is simply following the pack. More flights on SFO-ICN and new SFO-YYZ service as well. Hardly historical !

YYCguys
Dec 13, 2018, 2:57 PM
United promised a historical route announcement. Ended up being anything but. Because of the word used, people were speculating...a return of their round the world service (UA1/2).

Ooh what was this “round the world” service? I’ve never heard of it.

thenoflyzone
Dec 13, 2018, 3:25 PM
ooh what was this “round the world” service? I’ve never heard of it.

UA1 jfk-lax-hkg-del-lhr-jfk
UA2 jfk-lhr-del-hkg-lax-jfk

thenoflyzone
Dec 13, 2018, 4:13 PM
speaking of TAP and SFO....

http://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2018/12/13/1666767/0/en/TAP-Air-Portugal-to-Add-a-Third-New-U-S-Route-for-2019-San-Francisco-Becomes-TAP-s-8th-North-American-and-Only-West-Coast-Gateway.html

YUL should be next...

osirisboy
Dec 13, 2018, 4:33 PM
speaking of TAP and SFO....

http://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2018/12/13/1666767/0/en/TAP-Air-Portugal-to-Add-a-Third-New-U-S-Route-for-2019-San-Francisco-Becomes-TAP-s-8th-North-American-and-Only-West-Coast-Gateway.html

YUL should be next...

So this involves yvr? Will they be coming here?

twoNeurons
Dec 13, 2018, 11:59 PM
So this involves yvr? Will they be coming here?

Please please please!

I'd love to see the following ( in no particular order ):

YVR-LIS on TAP
YVR-WAW on LOT
YVR-ZRH on Swiss
YVR-IST on TK ( of course )

Those three would be great as they all don't pass on fuel surcharges on Aeroplan reward redemptions.

Since AC has a YVR-ZRH flight I don't see Swiss Airlines starting up that route... but here's hoping!

Anything but more German destinations on LH.

s211
Dec 14, 2018, 12:06 AM
Anything but more German destinations on LH.

:shrug::shrug::shrug:

Johnny Aussie
Dec 14, 2018, 2:24 AM
Inaugural QF to SYD for the peak winter season takes off tonight at 2000.

3 x per week for 7 weeks again.

We've had a couple of wicked stormy days (sunny and warm now).

AC37 from YVR-MEL clocked in at 16:45 as it was held up circling due to ATC delays and one runway ops for awhile... fun stuff. AC38 just took off and on its way home about 90 mins late.

excel
Dec 14, 2018, 2:49 AM
Surprised that no one has commented on today's Routesonline news that UA was adding daily SFO-DEL service. Also 3 x week to MEL - although that one shouldn't affect AC's YVR service as much.

It goes to show that our hometown AC/YVR team has been nicely out in front on these destinations. I hope that UA doesn't draw much business from our DEL daily.

With India's insane population growth and industrialization there will be nothing other than more increases in YVR-DEL capacity.

nname
Dec 14, 2018, 2:49 AM
Inaugural QF to SYD for the peak winter season takes off tonight at 2000.

New season, but first time with WS codeshare?

trofirhen
Dec 14, 2018, 6:37 AM
Please please please!

I'd love to see the following ( in no particular order ):

YVR-LIS on TAP
YVR-WAW on LOT
YVR-ZRH on Swiss
YVR-IST on TK ( of course )


Anything but more German destinations on LH.
I think you can scratch LIS and WAW; not enough market, ZRH on Swiss a very long shot, .... and yes! to TK to IST,... the Feds being the only snag on that. They keep the number of flights limited, for whatever reason, and won't renew the bilateral, effectively shutting YVR out (again, for whatever reason)...

:shrug::shrug::shrug:
Maybe he means that with FRA year round, and MUC seasonally, there is already enough service to Germany in particular.
Inaugural QF to SYD for the peak winter season takes off tonight at 2000.

3 x per week for 7 weeks again. ........

Geez, I'd love to see the "Red 'Roo" at YVR year-round again !!! Maybe one day ... at least I hope so.

thenoflyzone
Dec 14, 2018, 12:19 PM
AC and Swiss (LH) have a joint venture, so for all intents and purposes, AC is already sharing the revenues of YVR-ZRH with Swiss.

thenoflyzone
Dec 14, 2018, 12:55 PM
Timetable. I only trust AC timetable as it's pretty much always the first to update.

AC 1916 YYZ-LIS 1236
AC 1960 YUL-LIS 3

And I cross-checked this result with June and August, and it gives the same result.

you say ''timetable'', but you probably mean AC online ''flight schedules''.

And as of today, in the schedules, YUL-LIS is showing 3x weekly next summer.

The AC timetables go out to March 24 only.

Alexcaban
Dec 14, 2018, 4:03 PM
AC upgauging YVR-CUN for a few days to an A333 due to B7M8 fleet constraints.

s211
Dec 14, 2018, 4:07 PM
Maybe he means that with FRA year round, and MUC seasonally, there is already enough service to Germany in particular.

"Anything but" is a rather loaded term, then. Otherwise? It came across as a slag against Germany.

trofirhen
Dec 14, 2018, 5:06 PM
"Anything but" is a rather loaded term, then. Otherwise? It came across as a slag against Germany.

I don't think it was intended as a slag against Germany. It's just that (especially if MUC went year round !!) we have ample service to Germany, and perhaps he'd like other destinations.
For me, the one I wish for most in Europe is Istanbul. The catchment area would be the Eastern Mediterranean, ME, Central Asian and Balkan states. A very useful connection point.

thenoflyzone
Dec 14, 2018, 6:03 PM
Looks like WOW chopped a bunch of routes, including YVR.

http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1410627&sid=32feea093b9fc73f14d12de12bd3d66d

None of this is good news. Those who book tickets with WOW for future flights are taking a huge risk...

Johnny Aussie
Dec 14, 2018, 9:54 PM
AC launches its new YVR-LIH route tomorrow

AC now 5 daily to Hawaii for the winter
WS at 6 daily (up to 7 on some days during the peak)

Evening departures to Hawaii tomorrow:

AC519 to HNL 1750
WS1874 to LIH 1800
WS1864 to HNL 1815
WS1882 to KOA 1815
AC583 to LIH 1820
WS1862 to OGG 1820
AC537 to OGG 1830

All this happens smack in the middle when we arrive from TPE on BR next week :haha:

Prometheus
Dec 14, 2018, 10:56 PM
In interview, Craig Richmond announces the 25 millionth passenger to arrive on December 18th; admits YVR will likely fall a little short of 26 million for 2018.

Listen to interview with Craig Richmond discussing YVR’s growth here: https://biv.com/audio/2018/12/new-record-lands-yvr-biv-today-no-156

Johnny Aussie
Dec 14, 2018, 11:42 PM
In interview, Craig Richmond announces the 25 millionth passenger to arrive on December 18th; admits YVR will likely fall a little short of 26 million for 2018.

Listen to interview with Craig Richmond discussing YVR’s growth here: https://biv.com/audio/2018/12/new-record-lands-yvr-biv-today-no-156

Damn! Going to miss being the 25 millionth passenger by just a few days!

Still pretty amazing YVR’s pax count but especially International.

Don’t think YVR will catch ORD international either. They’ve posted their Oct stats and ORD is about 200,000 ahead. Their YTD growth is 10.2% versus 9.3% for YVR. Still pretty amazing YVR’s intl count almost the same as ORD. Would never thought that would have happened in my lifetime. The gap with ATL and YUL has increased so far this year. ATL intl has only increased 3.6%.
YVR will remain at #8 for intl traffic between Canadian and US airports. Not a bad result for such a small city!

Johnny Aussie
Dec 15, 2018, 4:11 AM
Now that DUB is going AC mainline... YVR will have up to 6 AC mainline departures to Europe. On Sundays and Fridays....

LHR x2
FRA
CDG
ZRH
DUB

Who remembers not that long ago... (2015 to be precise)... AC had only one daily flight to Europe - just the single daily YVR-LHR. That same summer YYC had 18 flights per week to Europe on AC.

trofirhen
Dec 15, 2018, 9:30 AM
Now that DUB is going AC mainline... YVR will have up to 6 AC mainline departures to Europe. On Sundays and Fridays....

LHR x2
FRA
CDG
ZRH
DUB

Who remembers not that long ago... (2015 to be precise)... AC had only one daily flight to Europe - just the single daily YVR-LHR. That same summer YYC had 18 flights per week to Europe on AC.

That looks fantastic, Johnny. Thanks for posting it that way.
May I ask two questions please: I assume that 's for summer 2019, so might either ZRH or CDG oor DUB become year-round?
Second question: What do the stats look like with all the airlines, including the European ones, added to the mix? Those would be quite solid numbers, I reckon.:)

canlynx
Dec 15, 2018, 12:58 PM
Now that DUB is going AC mainline... YVR will have up to 6 AC mainline departures to Europe. On Sundays and Fridays....

LHR x2
FRA
CDG
ZRH
DUB

Who remembers not that long ago... (2015 to be precise)... AC had only one daily flight to Europe - just the single daily YVR-LHR. That same summer YYC had 18 flights per week to Europe on AC.

Next step is hopefully seeing some of these translate into winter frequencies, maybe FRA or ZRH.

Where were the extra frequencies in YYC going other than a daily LHR and FRA?

Johnny Aussie
Dec 15, 2018, 8:15 PM
Next step is hopefully seeing some of these translate into winter frequencies, maybe FRA or ZRH.

Where were the extra frequencies in YYC going other than a daily LHR and FRA?

Summer 2015 YYC had an additional 4 weekly to LHR. AC moved 4 weekly from the daily YEG-LHR to YYC. That summer YEG-LHR was reduced to only 3 weekly then was cut altogether. So Alberta-Europe summer 2015 was 21 weekly. That LHR flight slot was then moved to YVR.

nname
Dec 15, 2018, 8:31 PM
YVR-SZX will be non-stop starting Jan 28.

Intermediate stop at TSN will be removed.

Johnny Aussie
Dec 15, 2018, 9:16 PM
YVR-SZX will be non-stop starting Jan 28.

Intermediate stop at TSN will be removed.

Good to see that’s sorted. Guess they weren’t carrying enough pax to TSN.
Or perhaps they relaunch TSN later and hand the reins to Tianjin Airlines.

trofirhen
Dec 16, 2018, 6:22 PM
In interview, Craig Richmond announces the 25 millionth passenger to arrive on December 18th; admits YVR will likely fall a little short of 26 million for 2018.

Listen to interview with Craig Richmond discussing YVR’s growth here: https://biv.com/audio/2018/12/new-record-lands-yvr-biv-today-no-156

Mr. Richmond's states is that he plans, over the next "few" (open to interpretation) years, to get from 127 destinations to 144. That's seven more. I wonder what some of them could be?
I know he wants what nearly all posters here want, such as Singapore and Bangkok, but he also mentioned South America as being important to him. Any guesses what he's trying for?

thenoflyzone
Dec 16, 2018, 8:02 PM
Mr. Richmond's states is that he plans, over the next "few" (open to interpretation) years, to get from 127 destinations to 144. That's seven more. I wonder what some of them could be?
I know he wants what nearly all posters here want, such as Singapore and Bangkok, but he also mentioned South America as being important to him. Any guesses what he's trying for?

Does YVR still have 127 destinations? Not sure. GLA, NGO and now TSN are gone...

trofirhen
Dec 16, 2018, 9:38 PM
Does YVR still have 127 destinations? Not sure. GLA, NGO and now TSN are gone...

That's what he said on the recent radio interview. Anyway, he's looking for seven more - but will not release them right now. I wonder what seven further destinations he has in mind.

Johnny Aussie
Dec 16, 2018, 11:28 PM
I feel like I need a Christmas brownie with Cannabis in it.

Go Canada!