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trofirhen
Dec 16, 2018, 9:38 PM
Does YVR still have 127 destinations? Not sure. GLA, NGO and now TSN are gone...

That's what he said on the recent radio interview. Anyway, he's looking for seven more - but will not release them right now. I wonder what seven further destinations he has in mind.

Johnny Aussie
Dec 16, 2018, 11:28 PM
I feel like I need a Christmas brownie with Cannabis in it.

Go Canada!

thenoflyzone
Dec 17, 2018, 12:27 AM
I feel like I need a Christmas brownie with Cannabis in it.

Go Canada! ������������

Edibles still aren't legal......

canlynx
Dec 17, 2018, 2:32 AM
Edibles still aren't legal......

Sure they are, just not for sale.

thenoflyzone
Dec 17, 2018, 1:18 PM
That's what he said on the recent radio interview. Anyway, he's looking for seven more - but will not release them right now. I wonder what seven further destinations he has in mind.

By my count, YVR is at 124 destinations.

Based on this (file:///C:/Users/kazaria/Downloads/Destinations%204_2018%20v2.pdf).

Removed GLA, NGO and TSN, added LIR.

TheGreatestX
Dec 17, 2018, 7:17 PM
Mr. Richmond's states is that he plans, over the next "few" (open to interpretation) years, to get from 127 destinations to 144. That's seven more.

Are you sure about that?

trofirhen
Dec 17, 2018, 8:40 PM
Are you sure about that?

Mr. Richmond said (and you can hear it on the tape a few posts back) that he wants to go from 127 destinations to 144, which of course, is 17 (seventeen) more destinations.
My bad arithmetic !! :blush: Anyway, that's what he said, so it's open to guess what some of those might be. I imagine several transborder, several Asia-Pacific, South America, maybe Europe.

SpongeG
Dec 19, 2018, 4:40 AM
from the YVR Facebook page


Vancouver International Airport
9 hrs ·
We've done it! Today, Linda boarded her flight in Toronto and landed at YVR as our 25-millionth passenger. What an incredible year at YVR. We could not have reached this important milestone without help from our amazing airport community.

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Johnny Aussie
Dec 27, 2018, 4:48 AM
KLM boosting capacity next summer...

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/282186/klm-s19-long-haul-changes-as-of-26dec18/

777-300ER replacing 777-200ER during the following periods.

07MAY19 – 03JUN19 Day 247
04JUN19 – 25OCT19 Day x135

zahav
Dec 27, 2018, 7:11 AM
Nice, I don't think YVR has ever seen regular service from the KLM 777-300ER has it? I feel like it was MD-11, 330, and 777-200 only (and even that has been fairly recent)

CloudInspector
Dec 27, 2018, 10:01 PM
Nice, I don't think YVR has ever seen regular service from the KLM 777-300ER has it? I feel like it was MD-11, 330, and 777-200 only (and even that has been fairly recent)


And even before that was the DC-10, 747 and 767. I think YVR has seen most of KLM’s long haul fleet over the past thirty or so years.

Johnny Aussie
Dec 28, 2018, 5:02 AM
And even before that was the DC-10, 747 and 767. I think YVR has seen most of KLM’s long haul fleet over the past thirty or so years.

KLM has flip flopped all over the place in Western Canada the last few years with equipment. YYC has seen a mix of 330s, 789s and 772s. YVR has seen the same mix. YEG has been consistent with 332s since the first flight there with the odd substitution of the larger 333.

Next summer YVR will remain daily with a mix of 773s and 772s, YYC will be daily 333 and YEG 4 weekly 332 still.

KLM’s 773s have over 400 seats.

nname
Dec 30, 2018, 9:50 AM
But yes.... YVR is almost a rouge free zone now.

Seems like the last day of Rouge 763 at YVR is actually June 14, 2019. The first month of service to DUB will remains Rouge.

I wasn't looking close into this before, but seems like YUL-DUB had also been converted to Rouge before June 13 from YUL and June 15 from DUB... so Rouge will be here to stay until the 333 arrives.

In other news, YVR-BNE had been reduced to 6x weekly in Oct, and so far 5-6x weekly in Nov before going back to daily in Dec 2019.

Also, at the current state, most likely KIX will have service extended into the winter schedule. The last fight from YVR is currently Oct 26, while the last flight from KIX is Oct 25. What will that 788 do when it arrives at KIX on the 27th? Wait until next summer? :D

Johnny Aussie
Dec 30, 2018, 3:30 PM
Seems like the last day of Rouge 763 at YVR is actually June 14, 2019. The first month of service to DUB will remains Rouge.

I wasn't looking close into this before, but seems like YUL-DUB had also been converted to Rouge before June 13 from YUL and June 15 from DUB... so Rouge will be here to stay until the 333 arrives.

In other news, YVR-BNE had been reduced to 6x weekly in Oct, and so far 5-6x weekly in Nov before going back to daily in Dec 2019.

Also, at the current state, most likely KIX will have service extended into the winter schedule. The last fight from YVR is currently Oct 26, while the last flight from KIX is Oct 25. What will that 788 do when it arrives at KIX on the 27th? Wait until next summer? :D

My comments:

DUB - probably because the 330 being used on the route won’t be ready in time.
Rouge will still be in YVR on LAS only.

BNE - that actually happened this year as well. A few of the flights in Oct and Nov were quietly dropped.

KIX - that would be nice if it was made year-round.

nname
Dec 31, 2018, 12:39 AM
Another thing I noticed is the LF for TPE flights for November:

YVR -> TPE TPE -> YVR
AC 93.9% 94.6%
BR 89.6% 68.9%
CI 91.5% 63.0%

Seems like the traffic is very directional.... but for some reason it doesn't affect AC much?

Johnny Aussie
Dec 31, 2018, 6:05 AM
Another thing I noticed is the LF for TPE flights for November:

YVR -> TPE TPE -> YVR
AC 93.9% 94.6%
BR 89.6% 68.9%
CI 91.5% 63.0%

Seems like the traffic is very directional.... but for some reason it doesn't affect AC much?

November being probably the slowest travel month of the year for YVR that's a great result.

My flight from TPE-YVR on BR 9 days ago was over 90%. P cabin was 100% and J appeared almost full. I would expect that close to XMAS most flights would be in the 90s.

nname
Jan 2, 2019, 8:01 AM
AM extends third daily YVR-MEX on Saturday till the end of March.

Mid-April service to 16-17 weekly (third dailies on Fri/Sat/Sun), and starting Apr 7, departure time move forward to 6:40am, 12:35pm*, 11:20pm (same as non-DST time, * on selected days).

trofirhen
Jan 2, 2019, 11:27 AM
I wonder if / when YVR will get Guadalajara? Both SEA and PDX have it, on Volaris, I believe.

whatnext
Jan 3, 2019, 8:07 PM
Yep. Our last domestic hope was WS, and they've picked YYC as their longhaul hub.

I don't see too many other carriers looking at YVR from Asia.
- Asiana should be here but for some reason isn't.
- Thai, Vietnam, and Singapore are all very unlikely.
- Turkish is also a long shot and only 3X if it does happen
- Qantas is the only likely growth with an upguage on YVR-SYD to a more frequent dreamliner vs sporadic 3x 747.

Closer to home:
- Copa should happen, I think they can fill in the YVR-South America void no one seems willing to jump on.
- MTY or GDL I think are still quite likely. The latin population in Vancouver is growing rapidly and tourism from and to Mexico is flourishing.

Transborder and domestic should still do well though. The economy here continues to boom and pop growth remains steady at 40,000-50,000 a year.

An article with WS CEO Ed Sims in the FP today:
'We've just grown too big, too fast:' CEO Ed Sims taps the brakes at WestJet (https://business.financialpost.com/business/local-business/weve-just-grown-too-big-too-fast-ceo-ed-sims-taps-the-brakes-at-westjet/wcm/994b0459-4db9-4ccb-9ff4-b6253920ffa9)

If memory serves, didn't WS shift a lot of emphasis to YVR after oil collapsed in AB in 2014? I guess they're just shifting it back there now.

Johnny Aussie
Jan 3, 2019, 8:19 PM
All fairly logical really. Reading the undertones in that article definitely taking a punt with YYC.

It will all come down to market size and the ability to make it work there. He makes it very clear their international ops will depend on feeding the flights which will automatically put pressure on yields. Definitely a tough time to do this with the recent economic climate there.

But really where else could they go? YYZ? YVR? YYZ already has sooo much competition for Europe and YVR probably wouldn’t be able to handle more flights to CDG or DUB yet.

He says YYC is underserved internationally... but perhaps with recent events there (AC to NRT, BA to LHR, HU to PEK and TS’s massive cutbacks in recent years)... perhaps that’s not actually true. Probably a few reasons why that is (I refer to international other than sun flying).

fredinno
Jan 5, 2019, 8:07 AM
http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/yvr-airport-interchange-templeton-street-grand-mcconachie-way

Don Ehrenholz, the Vice-President of Engineering for the Vancouver Airport Authority, told Daily Hive that YVR’s updated long-term master plan calls for the construction of an interchange over Grant McConachie Way and Templeton Street to take vehicles making left or right turns on Templeton Street off of the main road to the airport.

This would allow for higher traffic throughput with all lanes going straight to the terminal, which is anticipated to continue to see immense passenger traffic growth over the coming years — from the record 25 million passengers in 2018 to 31 million passengers by 2022.
The timeline for the interchange project would allow for a completion for 2026, with the design process beginning in 2022, but he notes that “these dates are flexible and will be adapted based on need.”
In addition to supporting YVR’s growth, it would also accommodate the projected growth in traffic generated by the outlet centre, which is primarily accessed from Templeton Street.

Over the longer term, the master plan indicates airport officials have reserved the option to extend Templeton Street to Russ Baker Way — along the western border of the Burkeville community — to provide an alternate route for airport traffic.

officedweller
Jan 5, 2019, 11:44 AM
That's interesting, because the current plan is for Templeton to end in a cul-de-sac south of Miller Road for the development of a new logistics facility
- I think it's for FEDEX.

http://www.yvr.ca/en/about-yvr/community/engagement/templeton-area-redevelopment

https://i.imgur.com/3Z3aTuR.png
http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/community/templeton-area-redevelopment-open-house-display-boards.pdf?la=en

Mac Write
Jan 7, 2019, 12:19 AM
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Johnny Aussie
Jan 9, 2019, 7:24 PM
November stats

Solid gains right across the board.

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/facts-sheets/2018/11-november/traffic_updatenov2018.pdf?la=en

Overall up 5.4%
Domestic up 4.6%
International up 6.2%

Breakdown intl
Transborder up 5.3%
Asia Pacific up 7.8%
Europe up 5.2%
Misc intl up 6.6%

YTD overall up 7.7% an increase of over 1.7M
YTD international up 9.0% an increase of over 1M compared to last year.

And so nobody loses any sleep about SEA....
SEA reported its November numbers too.
Intl was up only 2.6% in November. YTD up 6.4% an increase of only 301,000 to just over 5,000,000 (YVR YTD is over 12.4 million)

nname
Jan 9, 2019, 9:57 PM
November stats

Solid gains right across the board.

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/facts-sheets/2018/11-november/traffic_updatenov2018.pdf?la=en

Overall up 5.4%
Domestic up 4.6%
International up 6.2%

Breakdown intl
Transborder up 5.3%
Asia Pacific up 7.8%
Europe up 5.2%
Misc intl up 6.6%

YTD overall up 7.7% an increase of over 1.7M
YTD international up 9.0% an increase of over 1M compared to last year.

If December have the same increase as seen in November, YVR will end the year with 25.98M passengers.

To reach 26M, December traffic need to go up by at least 6.0%.

twoNeurons
Jan 9, 2019, 11:52 PM
An article with WS CEO Ed Sims in the FP today:
'We've just grown too big, too fast:' CEO Ed Sims taps the brakes at WestJet (https://business.financialpost.com/business/local-business/weve-just-grown-too-big-too-fast-ceo-ed-sims-taps-the-brakes-at-westjet/wcm/994b0459-4db9-4ccb-9ff4-b6253920ffa9)

If memory serves, didn't WS shift a lot of emphasis to YVR after oil collapsed in AB in 2014? I guess they're just shifting it back there now.

It's a bit of gamble right now in YYC... it's probably underserved, but the economy isn't doing great... but then again maybe it's a good time to take a risk as when it's booming they'll already have a foothold.

Interesting comment that transiting passengers will help hedge against Alberta's heavy oil focus... but one problem with that is the domestic to international transfer at YYC is horrendously long.

I haven't transited at YYC yet... but is it still as bad as it was when they launched? Any talk of a proper people mover instead of golf carts?

Johnny Aussie
Jan 10, 2019, 12:47 AM
It's a bit of gamble right now in YYC... it's probably underserved, but the economy isn't doing great... but then again maybe it's a good time to take a risk as when it's booming they'll already have a foothold.

Interesting comment that transiting passengers will help hedge against Alberta's heavy oil focus... but one problem with that is the domestic to international transfer at YYC is horrendously long.

I haven't transited at YYC yet... but is it still as bad as it was when they launched? Any talk of a proper people mover instead of golf carts?

I just went back to Westjet's August 2018 press release and looked at all the additions they were making from YYC this winter. The number of domestic increases is staggering yet YYC only showed a 4% increase in November (YVR Domestic on the other hand grew 4.6% in November). Add in all the new Westjet Link flights that were added Year-round and I'm tipping a lot of that capacity added at YYC is not being absorbed. Perhaps some of those additions didn't occur in November.

For a city its size and comparable to other cities in North America, it's probably not underserved internationally. Recent adjustments by airlines indicate it's a struggle, in some cases, to make routes work there just like YEG. And, again, as stated before, they are publicly admitting they will need connections to help make these new routes work.

Interesting too that YEG domestic YTD has grown almost exactly the same as YVR despite Flair setting up their "hub" there.

nname
Jan 10, 2019, 1:04 AM
Can say for other airlines, but for AC, even though there's no announcement of game-changing new destinations, seems like they are still adding quite a bit of capacity at YVR.

In term of frequency, my preliminary number shows this year YVR have the biggest increase from AC out of the 4 hubs with net total of about 7 daily additional flights. Can't say about the capacity though, as I'll have to enter all the flights for next summer into my spreadsheet first :cool:

Something I'd noticed earlier... the second daily for YZF will start on Aug 1 this year. In comparison, August last year had no service to YZF, and the second daily was started only in November.

Also, every time I checked AM schedule, more flights had been added. Now the third flight runs all the way to the end of April, running on most Sat and Sun for the month.

As for Flair, so far this year's operation at YVR seems to be smaller compared to last year:
- daily YEG that continues to YYZ (compared to 2-3x daily to YEG last summer)
- 5x weekly YYC (6x last summer)
- 5x weekly YWG (2x last summer)
No more direct service to YLW.

Hourglass
Jan 10, 2019, 2:29 AM
It's a bit of gamble right now in YYC... it's probably underserved, but the economy isn't doing great... but then again maybe it's a good time to take a risk as when it's booming they'll already have a foothold.

Interesting comment that transiting passengers will help hedge against Alberta's heavy oil focus... but one problem with that is the domestic to international transfer at YYC is horrendously long.

I haven't transited at YYC yet... but is it still as bad as it was when they launched? Any talk of a proper people mover instead of golf carts?

I flew to YYZ from SFO via Calgary last October. My first time in the new international terminal.

I landed pretty late so not too many people, but I was really surprised how small the customs hall felt. Hopefully they can expand the hall somehow?

Didn't see clear signs for transiting passengers, and even the border agent seemed confused haha (you go to the left of the customs hall so actually pretty simple but don't think this would work well with large numbers of people). I was also surprised that there was no security check for transiting passengers like in HKG, SIN or LHR or basically any major transit hub -- but I've never done international to domestic transit in Vancouver or Toronto so don't know whether this is baseline or not.

The golf carts were actually pretty good since I didn't want to walk, but again, don't see this handling a lot of volume. The new terminal also seemed to have a lot of dead space, which speaks to me about a design issue.

YYC would definitely not be my first choice as a transit airport. They have work to do, and some fundamental design limitations to overcome.

Johnny Aussie
Jan 10, 2019, 3:32 AM
Can say for other airlines, but for AC, even though there's no announcement of game-changing new destinations, seems like they are still adding quite a bit of capacity at YVR.

In term of frequency, my preliminary number shows this year YVR have the biggest increase from AC out of the 4 hubs with net total of about 7 daily additional flights. Can't say about the capacity though, as I'll have to enter all the flights for next summer into my spreadsheet first :cool:

Something I'd noticed earlier... the second daily for YZF will start on Aug 1 this year. In comparison, August last year had no service to YZF, and the second daily was started only in November.

Also, every time I checked AM schedule, more flights had been added. Now the third flight runs all the way to the end of April, running on most Sat and Sun for the month.

As for Flair, so far this year's operation at YVR seems to be smaller compared to last year:
- daily YEG that continues to YYZ (compared to 2-3x daily to YEG last summer)
- 5x weekly YYC (6x last summer)
- 5x weekly YWG (2x last summer)
No more direct service to YLW.

Yup AC continues to do well at YVR.

As for Flair, right now summer 2019 showing 17 flights per week at YVR compared to 24 last summer so down 7 flights per week. YVR-YEG was only two daily last summer. Already cut to just one flight per day to their "hub." YEG will have 38 flights per week and YYC 16 flights per week as it stands today. Both about the same as last summer but I'm sure more changes to come.

Gordon
Jan 10, 2019, 4:37 AM
How does the domestic International transit work at YVR?

casper
Jan 10, 2019, 6:16 AM
How does the domestic International transit work at YVR?

For signs for international transfer. There is a guard at the transition from the domestic to international terminal. He/she will ask to see a boarding pass, tickets, reservation etc. Basically any piece or paper etc. that shows you have an international connection. They then let you pass. No security screen.

thenoflyzone
Jan 10, 2019, 2:22 PM
In term of frequency, my preliminary number shows this year YVR have the biggest increase from AC out of the 4 hubs with net total of about 7 daily additional flights.

Care to elaborate. Does this include Rouge and Express?

Also, what numbers do you get for YYZ, YUL and YYC?

zahav
Jan 11, 2019, 5:55 AM
I am still curious how Flair is keeping it together. Their frequencies and fares are both really low, I wonder how they are staying afloat!

thenoflyzone
Jan 11, 2019, 1:20 PM
I am still curious how Flair is keeping it together. Their frequencies and fares are both really low, I wonder how they are staying afloat!

Well, you know what they say. If you want to make $1 million in the airline industry, start with $1 billion.

Yup AC continues to do well at YVR.

Still a clear slowdown.

Passenger increases at YVR over the last 3 years.

2016 9.7%
2017 8.4%
2018 7.7% til Nov
.....
2019 around 5-6 %
2020 around 3-4%

Same thing is happening at YUL and YYZ. They are no different.

Richmond's projections for 2020 (29 million) and 2022 (32 million), although achievable, will be tight. A 5.5% increase in 2019 and 4.5% increase in 2020 wont be enough for 29 million in 2020.

Gordon
Jan 11, 2019, 3:25 PM
for some reason the morning American airlines flight to to Phoenix is using remote stand E85. generally there is no need for remote stand use in the winter.

nname
Jan 11, 2019, 6:23 PM
Care to elaborate. Does this include Rouge and Express?

Also, what numbers do you get for YYZ, YUL and YYC?

Mainline 1-1299, 1400-1599
Rouge 1600-1989
Express 7200-8999

I was typing all the numbers... but then figured it's much easier just to post an image of the spreadsheet:

http://i67.tinypic.com/245jzvt.png http://i65.tinypic.com/4tsnkp.png

Looking at these number, may be there will be a lot more changes to be made. More Rouge A320s are coming... and both Rouge and non-Rouge A319 need to go somewhere too?


for some reason the morning American airlines flight to to Phoenix is using remote stand E85. generally there is no need for remote stand use in the winter.

Maybe it's due to how the aircraft was parked overnight. Both E93 and E94 were open at that time, but the AC CR9 used E84 instead.

thenoflyzone
Jan 11, 2019, 6:47 PM
^

Thanks for that. Interesting stuff. :cheers:

YYZ sees a decrease of 139 weekly frequencies between summer 2018 and summer 2019.

YVR sees an increase of 50 weekly frequencies (split evenly between mainline and express), and YUL an increase of 35 (pretty much all on mainline. Ironically Express and Rouge frequencies drop in Summer 2019 compared to summer 2018). YYC sees a drop of 51 frequencies.

Johnny Aussie
Jan 12, 2019, 12:41 AM
Nice work nname. You’re hired!

Like I said YVR continues to do well for AC. And a very solid second largest base for mainline. And look at all those mainline widebodies!

CareerShow
Jan 12, 2019, 11:01 PM
Mainline 1-1299, 1400-1599
Rouge 1600-1989
Express 7200-8999

I was typing all the numbers... but then figured it's much easier just to post an image of the spreadsheet:

http://i67.tinypic.com/245jzvt.png http://i65.tinypic.com/4tsnkp.png

Looking at these number, may be there will be a lot more changes to be made. More Rouge A320s are coming... and both Rouge and non-Rouge A319 need to go somewhere too?

Also, how did you calculate frequency per route and flight?


Maybe it's due to how the aircraft was parked overnight. Both E93 and E94 were open at that time, but the AC CR9 used E84 instead.



Great chart, just wondering what the "Flight Number" statistic tells us vs the "unique route" statistic?

VancouverOfTheFuture
Jan 13, 2019, 12:57 AM
i noticed the YVR outlet mall expansion is coming along quite fast. i am surprised they'll be fitting 35 stores in it though.

Johnny Aussie
Jan 13, 2019, 2:13 AM
I hate to nit pic but pretty sure YYC will still have 14 weekly 763s next summer (AC9/10 daily both ways).
His list does indicate further that AC is slowly winding back at YYC.

osirisboy
Jan 13, 2019, 2:56 AM
i noticed the YVR outlet mall expansion is coming along quite fast. i am surprised they'll be fitting 35 stores in it though.

I was there last week. It was packed. I'm surprised they didn't do the full expansion they originally wanted to do

nname
Jan 13, 2019, 8:14 AM
Great chart, just wondering what the "Flight Number" statistic tells us vs the "unique route" statistic?

AC 100 YVR-YYZ
AC 102 YVR-YYZ

That's 2 flights, 1 route... Can't think of a better name :D

I hate to nit pic but pretty sure YYC will still have 14 weekly 763s next summer (AC9/10 daily both ways).
His list does indicate further that AC is slowly winding back at YYC.

Hmm... I only count the frequency based on flights... Maybe I should somehow change my formula to take in account of intermediate points.

I guess in this case, the frequency for YVR, YYC, YUL should all increase by 7 for S18 and S19; YEG need to also increase by 7 for S18 only.

I was thinking of counting frequency based on destination region... but then I don't want to maintain a list of all airport code...

thenoflyzone
Jan 13, 2019, 5:59 PM
Closer to home:
- Copa should happen, I think they can fill in the YVR-South America void no one seems willing to jump on.

COPA cannot add more frequency to Canada. The bilateral with Panama is maxed out.


Besides the bilateral restrictions, the Max-8 and Max 9 still dont have the legs for unrestricted PTY-YVR ops.

Copa's 2018 investor presentation (p.40) clearly illustrates this.

https://copa.gcs-web.com/static-files/9d71c0c5-ceb9-4a51-9350-eb35a10cfb18

SEA has better chances of seeing Copa than YVR. They even took the time to add it in that graph.

Johnny Aussie
Jan 13, 2019, 7:30 PM
Hmm... I only count the frequency based on flights... Maybe I should somehow change my formula to take in account of intermediate points.

I guess in this case, the frequency for YVR, YYC, YUL should all increase by 7 for S18 and S19; YEG need to also increase by 7 for S18 only.

I was thinking of counting frequency based on destination region... but then I don't want to maintain a list of all airport code...

I think you should change the formula.

Eg
AC 33 YYZ-YVR-SYD
AC 34 SYD-YVR-YYZ

This should count for 14 77L weekly frequencies departing YVR.

Same for AC9/10 for YYC on 763s as I mentioned earlier.
Also, YYC you have 14 weekly for rouge? I know LAS is one daily rouge? Is there another route out of YYC still rouge?

And I’m back Downunder! EVA Air such a great airline! Very mild in Vancouver this trip. Only one day it dropped below zero overnight.

nname
Jan 14, 2019, 5:16 AM
Also, YYC you have 14 weekly for rouge? I know LAS is one daily rouge? Is there another route out of YYC still rouge?

And I’m back Downunder! EVA Air such a great airline! Very mild in Vancouver this trip. Only one day it dropped below zero overnight.

AC 1692 YYC-YHZ

And it's funny that most people love BR, but my family and most of the Taiwanese friends I know avoid BR (and even more so, CI) like plague. Too many horror stories from that airline. :D

Johnny Aussie
Jan 14, 2019, 7:46 AM
AC 1692 YYC-YHZ

And it's funny that most people love BR, but my family and most of the Taiwanese friends I know avoid BR (and even more so, CI) like plague. Too many horror stories from that airline. :D

Of course I forgot the YHZ route!

Yeah I know... Everbody has different preferences. I’m a huge SQ fan but would say BR’s prem economy is better than their’s.... 4 of my flights in BR prem economy were excellent. BR’s economy was very good too... never flown their J class.

whatnext
Jan 14, 2019, 9:05 PM
Air Canada extends deal with Jazz Aviation (Chorus) to provide regional service through 2035. Dammit, I knew I should have bought more Chorus Aviation shares when they were in the $5.60 range around Christmas!

https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/air-canada-gives-chorus-a-new-lease-on-life-with-jazz-aviation-deal-extension-1.4252771

nname
Jan 15, 2019, 1:51 AM
I think you should change the formula.


Done :D
And I've added the frequency by region (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vThLvx21qN2GLpEymMbL_9K6oqe70o7Sgl25BgjUyIkwa2c9cr2jQLdWuPQo4q0JTI04OOAPeF5ezHD/pubhtml?gid=1441609971#). Hopefully I got all the airport codes correct :D

Johnny Aussie
Jan 15, 2019, 3:19 AM
Done :D
And I've added the frequency by region (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vThLvx21qN2GLpEymMbL_9K6oqe70o7Sgl25BgjUyIkwa2c9cr2jQLdWuPQo4q0JTI04OOAPeF5ezHD/pubhtml?gid=1441609971#). Hopefully I got all the airport codes correct :D

Again... well done. Definitely shows how big YVR has become as an AC mainline operation and the second largest base overall too.

Hmmmmm how about by capacity!

Ok I know I’m pushing it

nname
Jan 15, 2019, 4:09 AM
Again... well done. Definitely shows how big YVR has become as an AC mainline operation and the second largest base overall too.

Hmmmmm how about by capacity!

Ok I know I’m pushing it

Well, AC does not use different aircraft code to distinguish different config for 77W and 333... so that's not really doable.

Johnny Aussie
Jan 15, 2019, 4:25 AM
Well, AC does not use different aircraft code to distinguish different config for 77W and 333... so that's not really doable.

Good point! I was just being cheeky anyway.

Looks like AC is starting to update their winter 2019/20 scheds.

nname
Jan 15, 2019, 10:47 AM
Looks like AC is starting to update their winter 2019/20 scheds.

Nothing really changed for YVR.. for both S19 and W19 update.

It's still too early for W19 I suppose...

thenoflyzone
Jan 15, 2019, 2:08 PM
Again... well done. Definitely shows how big YVR has become as an AC mainline operation and the second largest base overall too.

10 years ago, YVR was comfortably second largest base. That's no longer the case. nname's "weekly frequency" numbers clearly illustrate that the gap between YVR and YUL has narrowed significantly.

YUL is already second in terms of number of destinations, by a wide margin. Peak daily flight numbers (departures) also belongs to YUL as there is surely 1 day of the week where all those flight numbers operate. All that is left is for the overall weekly frequency to creep up a bit more, to pass YVR. This will eventually happen. YVR is still ahead in that department due to 1 thing. Props. Look at the number of prop flights/week. 530. That's the highest of all of AC's bases. Short intra-BC flights (467 weekly), with a lot of frequency.

The PRIME beneficiary of AC's recent expansion has been YUL. AC's words, not mine. Hence the gap narrowing. Let's see what the next 5-10 years will do.

p.51-52-53

https://www.aircanada.com/content/dam/aircanada/portal/documents/PDF/speeches-presentations/en/2018_presentation_en.pdf

ww2g
Jan 15, 2019, 4:13 PM
duplicate

ww2g
Jan 15, 2019, 4:18 PM
10 years ago, YVR was comfortably second largest base. That's no longer the case. nname's "weekly frequency" numbers clearly illustrate that the gap between YVR and YUL has narrowed significantly.

YUL is already second in terms of number of destinations, by a wide margin. Peak daily flight numbers (departures) also belongs to YUL as there is surely 1 day of the week where all those flight numbers operate. All that is left is for the overall weekly frequency to creep up a bit more, to pass YVR. This will eventually happen. YVR is still ahead in that department due to 1 thing. Props. Look at the number of prop flights/week. 530. That's the highest of all of AC's bases. Short intra-BC flights (467 weekly), with a lot of frequency.

The PRIME beneficiary of AC's recent expansion has been YUL. AC's words, not mine. Hence the gap narrowing. Let's see what the next 5-10 years will do.

p.51-52-53

https://www.aircanada.com/content/dam/aircanada/portal/documents/PDF/speeches-presentations/en/2018_presentation_en.pdf

I've been reading the forum for a while and I always wondered why does @thenoflyzone always feel the need to bring down other airports in comparison to YUL.

In your previous intervention, you are just stating facts and that's totally fine! However, Johnny Aussie is correct when he said the YVR is AC's second largest base. He didn't say that YVR was "by far" AC's second largest base unlike what you seem to be trying to point out. Neither has anyone asked or said anything about where AC has most expanded in the past years. So, why do you feel the need to pick on the smallest little details to try and prove yourself right?

You've had a lot of interesting inputs and scoops about YUL, and I am convinced a lot of us appreciate that. Don't get me wrong, I love YUL mainly because it is my local airport. It's nice to read and see how well it has been expanding in the past few years.

However, I just don't understand why you always feel the need to diminish the importance and progression of other Canadian airports, in favour of YUL, especially on their own thread.

osirisboy
Jan 15, 2019, 5:11 PM
Yeah it's weird. Even if it went the other way and he propped up yvr by bringing up yul it's still odd. Lol

nname
Jan 15, 2019, 5:28 PM
10 years ago, YVR was comfortably second largest base. That's no longer the case. nname's "weekly frequency" numbers clearly illustrate that the gap between YVR and YUL has narrowed significantly.

Really??

Summer schedule from ~10 years ago, YUL's schedule is one whole column longer than YVR's:

YUL:

https://i.imgur.com/s27d50t.jpg https://i.imgur.com/P2Oq9Uh.jpg


YVR:

https://i.imgur.com/G1UfGl9.jpg https://i.imgur.com/tSevETX.jpg

Johnny Aussie
Jan 15, 2019, 6:30 PM
I feel like a broken record but nname thanks again... this time for posting the YVR sched for 10 years ago.

Fascinating seeing how much smaller YVR overseas ops were and the equipment used:

Only one daily to Europe (daily 77W to LHR)
Only one daily to South Pacific (daily 77L to SYD)
Only five daily to Asia of which: two were on 763s (PVG and ICN), NRT was a daily 333, PEK and HKG were daily 77Ws.

Definitely shows how AC at YVR has come a long way in the last 10 years.

7 longhaul destinations in 2009
16 longhaul destinations in 2019

And look at transborder.... direct flights to only 10 destinations on MUCH smaller equipment - SFO and LAX were all E90s and only 4 daily each..... and EWR was a 319. LAS was also just a single daily E90 and SEA and PDX were on DH3s.

Huge gains in number of intl destinations, frequencies and capacity in the past 10 years.

And.... YVR-YYZ only had 4 widebodies per day back then... 2 763s, a single 333 and a single 77L.

YVR has become mainline widebody city! Second to YYZ of course... but about 60% of YYZ’s total... which is pretty impressive.
7 777s and over 10 789s per day.
Back in 2009 YVR had about 11-12 widebodies per day... Summer 2019 will be over 23... so about double.

thenoflyzone
Jan 15, 2019, 6:53 PM
Really??

Summer schedule from ~10 years ago, YUL's schedule is one whole column longer than YVR's:



One additional column doesn't make that much of a difference. It's what is written in the columns. The reason YUL has 1 more column is because it has more destinations, and writing the names of those destinations takes up more space. Doesn't mean it has more frequencies.

I'm sure if you count the overall frequencies, YVR's is larger, and was far larger back then than just 29 weekly frequencies (1345-1316). That is all I am trying to say.

(P.S. nname, could you reduce the size of those timetables.....)

lubicon
Jan 15, 2019, 8:01 PM
Air Canada extends deal with Jazz Aviation (Chorus) to provide regional service through 2035. Dammit, I knew I should have bought more Chorus Aviation shares when they were in the $5.60 range around Christmas!

https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/air-canada-gives-chorus-a-new-lease-on-life-with-jazz-aviation-deal-extension-1.4252771

Will be interesting to see what they do with their Dash 8-100's. Those are getting pretty long in the tooth but there are not really any new alternatives out there that I am aware of.

nname
Jan 15, 2019, 8:19 PM
One additional column doesn't make that much of a difference. It's what is written in the columns. The reason YUL has 1 more column is because it has more destinations, and writing the names of those destinations takes up more space. Doesn't mean it has more frequencies.

I'm sure if you count the overall frequencies, YVR's is larger, and was far larger back then than just 29 weekly frequencies (1345-1316). That is all I am trying to say.

(P.S. nname, could you reduce the size of those timetables.....)

I counted about 166 dailies from YUL, compared to 172 for YVR. And this only include anything that's "Daily" or "x...", so it's in favor of YUL since all destination with 1, 2 or 3 weekly not counted.

And this is before AC dumped it's entire BEH network of about 10 dailies. But even now AC still include those flights (AC65xx operated by CMA) as part of their "Express" network in the navi timetable. Should I include that total to the S19 stat then?

Shrink... I don't have an image editor here.. the most I can do is use a spoiler tag.

nname
Jan 15, 2019, 9:43 PM
Back in 2009 YVR had about 11-12 widebodies per day... Summer 2019 will be over 23... so about double.

The timetable I posted was actually from July 2010. Close enough to "10 years ago" I suppose.

thenoflyzone
Jan 15, 2019, 9:56 PM
I counted about 166 dailies from YUL, compared to 172 for YVR. And this only include anything that's "Daily" or "x...", so it's in favor of YUL since all destination with 1, 2 or 3 weekly not counted.



Not as easy as that. A lot of flights are duplicate on the timetable. (Ex. Sched Before aug 7/sched after August 7). You can't count both of those, as it will skew the numbers, and YUL has more of those than YVR.

Besides, here is an official document with numbers from 2006.

2006 numbers. (excluding Jazz)

Source: https://www.aircanada.com/content/dam/aircanada/portal/documents/PDF/en/annual-report/2006_AIF.pdf

page. 20

AC YYZ daily departures: 182 - 1274 departures/week
AC YVR daily departures: 65 - 455 departures/week
AC YUL daily departures: 58 - 406 departures/week

Spread is 49 weekly

2019 numbers (excluding Express)

source: nname's document

YYZ - 1700 departures/week
YVR - 615 departures/week
YUL - 601 departures/week

Spread is 14 weekly.

YUL is catching up to YVR.

nname
Jan 15, 2019, 10:30 PM
Not as easy as that. A lot of flights are duplicate on the timetable. (Ex. Sched Before aug 7/sched after August 7). You can't count both of those, as it will skew the numbers, and YUL has more of those than YVR.

I didn't. I paid close attention to the ones with start/end date and make sure I didn't overcounting them.

If the "catching up" you stated meant to be the 5x daily gain on mainline frequency, then it all happened in the past 3 weeks I supposed, when AC moved 2x daily YUL-DEN and 3x daily YUL-LGA from express to mainline.

Daily on express CR9 or mainline E90 really make that much of a difference??

Denscity
Jan 15, 2019, 11:03 PM
He seems really sensitive representing an airport with less passengers than a smaller city's.

#punchingunderit'sweight

Johnny Aussie
Jan 15, 2019, 11:13 PM
The timetable I posted was actually from July 2010. Close enough to "10 years ago" I suppose.

Even better then... that growth is over 9 years only.

You’re explanations are quite clear too.... YVR is the solid second largest base for mainline with significant widebodies ops.

Widebodies make up close to 27% of YVR’s mainline ops (the highest % of all bases) compared to about 20% for YYZ.

thenoflyzone
Jan 16, 2019, 1:51 AM
....and 25% for YUL.

But why are you singling out mainline? A widebody is a widebody, mainline, or Rouge. Last I checked, Rouge is an integral part of Air Canada, and should be included in any analysis, especially if comparing with YYZ or YUL. Maybe it's because you dont want to show the real numbers !

AC mainline/Rouge widebody % per total ops:

YYZ 24.29%
YUL 28.1%
YVR 26.17%

He seems really sensitive representing an airport with less passengers than a smaller city's.

#punchingunderit'sweight

Let me correct that for you...

#punchingaboveit'sweight

thenoflyzone
Jan 16, 2019, 2:12 AM
If the "catching up" you stated meant to be the 5x daily gain on mainline frequency, then it all happened in the past 3 weeks I supposed, when AC moved 2x daily YUL-DEN and 3x daily YUL-LGA from express to mainline.

Daily on express CR9 or mainline E90 really make that much of a difference??

YUL-DEN has been E190 on and off since it resumed in 2016. It's nothing new.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/252007/air-canada-resumes-selected-montreal-us-routes-in-s16/

Johnny Aussie
Jan 16, 2019, 7:59 AM
Looking at nname’s spreadsheet again... so much info in these stats....

....this time focusing on express.

YVR has become the king of CR9 ops and DH4 ops... 2 of the 3 largest types of Express equipment.

Not long ago YYC had many more CR9 flights but in recent years a lot of that has flowed further west.

And in the 50 seaters and below category YVR will only see 221 weekly ops on 50 seaters. YVR sees nothing smaller than 50 seaters.

Of Express bases YVR is 70% 76-78 seaters.

Johnny Aussie
Jan 16, 2019, 8:09 PM
Whats the Frequency number of flights for Summer 2019 for WestJet at Calgary, Vancouver, Toronto ,Edmonton, Halifax, Ottawa, Winnipeg and Montreal? Calgary most likely leads the way for WestJet S19 flight frequency as 787-9 Dreamliner Seasonal International flights to Europe Dublin, Paris and London and Toronto 2nd- also with new, 3 times weekly- seasonal service to Barcelona Spain.

Yeah YYC the busiest I am sure. They’ve bumped up frequencies and capacity on a lot of routes. 14 weekly 789s to Europe being added next summer. Daily LGW on the 763 being replaced by the 789.

In order it would be YYC, YYZ, YVR, YEG.... then? Who knows.

nname
Jan 17, 2019, 2:51 AM
Whats the Frequency number of flights for Summer 2019 for WestJet at Calgary, Vancouver, Toronto ,Edmonton, Halifax, Ottawa, Winnipeg and Montreal? Calgary most likely leads the way for WestJet S19 flight frequency as 787-9 Dreamliner Seasonal International flights to Europe Dublin, Paris and London and Toronto 2nd- also with new, 3 times weekly- seasonal service to Barcelona Spain.

WestJet does not have any searchable or printed timetable, so collecting stats is quite hard.

The only Canadian airlines that provide such feature are Air Canada, Transat, and Flair.

trofirhen
Jan 17, 2019, 5:58 PM
IMO, it is great once again to have two major airlines in Canada, and nice to see "the competition" growing so fast, and so well. (I miss the Canadian Airlines Canada goose, but that's life)
If Westjet does keep on growing, and ultimately joins the "big league," so to speak, I wonder if it will join an alliance. CA was One World. I wonder what Westjet might join.
It needs to get larger of course, but with an extensive North American coverage, plus overseas scheduled flights on track for Asia and South America, it might qualify to join the "club."
Again, which alliance might it join, I wonder. This growth news it great news. I applaud Westjet for growing so fast and reaching the size it is. Not yet "big," but getting up there.

lubicon
Jan 17, 2019, 7:29 PM
WestJet 1st delivery of the 787 Dreamliner plane ✈️ ,WS8968 expected to depart Everett,United States 3pm and arrival into Calgary, Canada around 5:15pm.

Arrival after sunset in the dark. Doesn't matter anyway, it's snowing here today so viewing would be poor anyhow.

casper
Jan 18, 2019, 3:53 AM
IMO, it is great once again to have two major airlines in Canada, and nice to see "the competition" growing so fast, and so well. (I miss the Canadian Airlines Canada goose, but that's life)
If Westjet does keep on growing, and ultimately joins the "big league," so to speak, I wonder if it will join an alliance. CA was One World. I wonder what Westjet might join.
It needs to get larger of course, but with an extensive North American coverage, plus overseas scheduled flights on track for Asia and South America, it might qualify to join the "club."
Again, which alliance might it join, I wonder. This growth news it great news. I applaud Westjet for growing so fast and reaching the size it is. Not yet "big," but getting up there.

WestJet has strong relationships with Delta, Air France, KLM.

WestJet use to have relationships with American and British Airways that have come to an end.

WestJet aircraft clearly likes hanging out with the Skyteam crowd and they appear to be ignoring the Oneworld crowd, except Qantas. Not certain they will join an alliance but if they did it is clear which one it would be.

zahav
Jan 18, 2019, 6:58 AM
I actually did a one day comparison for Westjet ops. I used Sunday August 11, as it tends to be a busy day (peak summer), but the figures can be extrapolated more or less for weekly (there is variation ie. YYZ has a ton of once a week sun destination flying even in the summer, but they are literally just one Saturday departure a week and that's it). So the list below is a good indication of the volume of flights and split between mainline and Encore/link, and is in descending order:

YYC: 90 daily mainline, 45 Encore, and 11 Link - 146 total
YYZ: 85 daily mainline, 42 Encore - 127 total
YVR: 57 daily mainline, 23 Encore - 80 total
YEG: 24 daily mainline, 30 Encore - 54 total
YHZ: 17 daily mainline, 10 Encore - 27 total
YWG: 22 daily mainline, 4 Encore - 26 total
YUL: 8 daily mainline, 15 Encore - 23 total

Digging further, there is a reason YYC, YYZ, and YVR are hubs. They not only have more departures, but have a large amount of WS connecting traffic, service to the most destinations and have strong domestic, transborder, and international ops. They all have widebody service too. Further, they have codeshare partners who provide a lot of connecting traffic of their own into WS's network, which is a key definition of a hub.

YEG is a very strong focus city, and should be in a category other than paired with YHZ and YWG, which it currently is, but I guess there is no middle category. YWG barely fits the focus city criteria IMO, it reaslly isn'y. IMO even YHZ only is considered a focus city because it has CDG, DUB, GLA, and LGW service (all on 737s though, no widebodies) so even though daily flights are comparable to YWG and even YUL, the make-up of their route network helps it.

SpongeG
Jan 18, 2019, 7:04 AM
New federal agreements allow YVR to expand route options in 6 countries

Kenneth Chan Jan 17, 2019

Vancouver International Airport and other Canadian airports can potentially benefit from an expanded global reach, due to new and expanded air transport agreements finalized between the Canadian federal government and six other countries.

In a release, the federal government has concluded agreements with St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Algeria, Qatar, Jordan, Côte-d’Ivoire, and Mongolia.

...

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canada-federal-agreements-airlines-january-2019

nname
Jan 18, 2019, 7:18 AM
New federal agreements allow YVR to expand route options in 6 countries

Not really have anything useful for YVR... I mean, YVR-ULN???

zahav
Jan 18, 2019, 8:21 AM
Ya not one of those is valuable. Even on a Canada wide scale they aren't that helpful, AFAIK the routes between YUL and Jordan, Qatar, and Algeria were not hindered by this, I don't think it will change much in terms of service. Really the only countries I could see benefiting from a written bilaterals are Singapore, UAE, and Turkey

Johnny Aussie
Jan 18, 2019, 8:23 AM
I actually did a one day comparison for Westjet ops.

YYC: 90 daily mainline, 45 Encore, and 11 Link - 146 total
YYZ: 85 daily mainline, 42 Encore - 127 total
YVR: 57 daily mainline, 23 Encore - 80 total
YEG: 24 daily mainline, 30 Encore - 54 total
YHZ: 17 daily mainline, 10 Encore - 27 total
YWG: 22 daily mainline, 4 Encore - 26 total
YUL: 8 daily mainline, 15 Encore - 23 total

Excellent work!

You forgot YLW! ;) It’s a bigger base than YHZ, YWG and YUL with about 29-30 daily including about 8 daily mainline.

YVR has the highest % of mainline of the largest bases (71%).

YEG used to be a larger base than YVR but they've lost quite a lot of mainline over the last few years. They are closer to 28 mainline though and total ops of about 62 daily including about 5 daily Swoop.... mainline is down to only about 45% of total ops.

And over half of YUL flights are a shuttle to YYZ.

SpongeG
Jan 18, 2019, 9:36 AM
wouldn't you like to see this at YVR? Melbourne I saw some

https://static-news.moneycontrol.com/static-mcnews/2018/04/Qatar-airways-doha-skyline-770x433.jpg

trofirhen
Jan 18, 2019, 1:50 PM
wouldn't you like to see this at yvr? Melbourne i saw some

https://static-news.moneycontrol.com/static-mcnews/2018/04/qatar-airways-doha-skyline-770x433.jpg
https://static-news.moneycontrol.com/static-mcnews/2018/04/Qatar-airways-doha-skyline-770x433.jpg .... link for QATAR AIRWAYS image;)

The image itself didn't come through, but yes, seeing QATAR AIRWAYS at YVR would be beautiful, impressive, and really put us into the "Big League" of airports served by an ME3.
However, it's a shame that Ottawa is so muleish about limiting Turkish Airlines, as they would be much more practical for Vancouver with IST as a connector to the ME and Central Asia.
The ME3 are already halfway around the world (nearly 180° longitude) from Vancouver, so anything going further is either zig-zagging backwards, or heading backwards longitudinally.
TK at Istanbul would, as I said serve the Eastern Mediterranean, such as Cyprus, the Mideast itself, the Balkans, The Caucasus nations, Ukraine, Teheran, .....
To test this for yourself, take a world map and draw a circle representing the catchment area 1000 miles from Qatar, and the catchment area 1000 miles from IST.
The IST circle will be much more inclusive destination-wise. I cannot understand why Ottawa is so obtuse on this ..... unless they want everyone using TK to go through YYZ.

s211
Jan 18, 2019, 3:21 PM
1st WestJet 787 Dreamliner Cabin tour, from WestJet after it landed in Calgary, it looks great! https://youtu.be/TJaNoqYagcw

For the love of all things holy, will you PLEASE stop it with the nonstop Westjet spamming across numerous threads?

thenoflyzone
Jan 18, 2019, 8:23 PM
Ya not one of those is valuable. Even on a Canada wide scale they aren't that helpful, AFAIK the routes between YUL and Jordan, Qatar, and Algeria were not hindered by this, I don't think it will change much in terms of service. Really the only countries I could see benefiting from a written bilaterals are Singapore, UAE, and Turkey

Why is UAE valuable but not Qatar?

Qatar Airways serves 13 cities in India. DOH-YVR, were it to happen, would make just as much sense as DXB-YVR or IST-YVR. They're all after the same thing. Siphoning YVR-India traffic away from BA, LH, AF and AC. Even Chinese carriers at YVR exploit YVR-India, as YVR-DEL via China is shorter (distance wise) than via Europe.

Qatar would be after the same crowd.

POCO
Jan 19, 2019, 2:43 AM
New federal agreements allow YVR to expand route options in 6 countries

Kenneth Chan Jan 17, 2019

Vancouver International Airport and other Canadian airports can potentially benefit from an expanded global reach, due to new and expanded air transport agreements finalized between the Canadian federal government and six other countries.

In a release, the federal government has concluded agreements with St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Algeria, Qatar, Jordan, Côte-d’Ivoire, and Mongolia.

...

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canada-federal-agreements-airlines-january-2019

We can finally have a non-stop to Ulaanbaatar. Maybe Westjet on a new 787? :)

On a serious note I kinda want to go.

Johnny Aussie
Jan 19, 2019, 4:07 AM
We can finally have a non-stop to Ulaanbaatar. Maybe Westjet on a new 787? :)

On a serious note I kinda want to go.

But without reading the actual bilateral agreement it sounds like the Mongolia bilateral is code shares only.

The only realistic one of these is Qatar but without reading the specifics... too hard to tell if YVR could benefit.

thenoflyzone
Jan 19, 2019, 4:47 AM
New federal agreements allow YVR to expand route options in 6 countries

Kenneth Chan Jan 17, 2019

Vancouver International Airport and other Canadian airports can potentially benefit from an expanded global reach, due to new and expanded air transport agreements finalized between the Canadian federal government and six other countries.

In a release, the federal government has concluded agreements with St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Algeria, Qatar, Jordan, Côte-d’Ivoire, and Mongolia.

...
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canada-federal-agreements-airlines-january-2019

Someone should tell Kenneth that we are still waiting for his ''imminent'' YVR-Brazil flight. It's probably the best time to go there now that a fascist has taken over the country.....

Feb 2018

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-to-brazil-flights-expected-future

Marshal
Jan 19, 2019, 5:31 AM
Local TV news reported YXX 2018 total: 842,212.

thenoflyzone
Jan 19, 2019, 3:35 PM
https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-canada/news/2019/01/canadians-to-benefit-from-new-and-expanded-air-transport-agreements.html

The expanded air transport agreements with Algeria, Qatar and Jordan allow designated airlines to operate more flights per week to and from Canada

So we know Qatar got more frequencies. No specifics, but safe to say it's probably limited to 2, 3 or 4 more frequencies, max. The new rights are available for use by airlines immediately.

It will be interesting to watch QR on this. Will they be expanding YUL, or adding YYZ/YVR ? They will be doing something for sure. They've been lobbying the Canadian government for more rights since they started YUL back in 2011.

Edit: QR increased YUL to 4 weekly last month. Could very well be the increase allocated was simply 1x weekly, which is now being used.

Gordon
Jan 19, 2019, 7:10 PM
Does Translink have more 40 ft novas that New Flyers, The city of Vancouver your rarely see a regular new Flyer? and the #7 Nanaimo Stn\Dunbar is a Diesel route for th next few months.

Johnny Aussie
Jan 20, 2019, 7:02 AM
UA has just updated their summer 2019 schedules from YVR and there are three notable changes compared to summer 2018.

As always UA is subject to change but this is what is showing up in this week's changes.

LAX showing two daily but the afternoon flight going mainline 738. Last summer LAX was two daily Express. Not sure if mainline has ever been on LAX.
IAH back to two daily - red eye has been added back. Last summer was only one daily.
DEN all three daily showing mainline. Last summer it was two daily mainline and one Express.

So here's the summer 2019 schedule:

SFO 5 daily mainline
ORD 4 daily mainline
DEN 3 daily mainline
IAH 2 daily mainline
LAX 1 daily mainline 1 daily express
EWR 1 daily mainline
IAD 1 weekly mainline

So next summer UA will have 17 daily flights from YVR and only one is Express.
There is only one 319 per week to IAD all other mainline flights are a mix of mix of 739s, 738s and A320s.
I also think this is the first time UA will have more capacity on YVR-IAH than YYC-IAH. That's really something.

Rogie
Jan 21, 2019, 5:51 AM
Hainan Airlines has announced a shift to its Shenzhen service. Flights will now operate non-stop, meaning the airline is dropping service to Tianjin from YVR.

https://westernaviationnews.com/2019/01/20/hainan-shifts-vancouver-service-to-shenzhen/

nname
Jan 21, 2019, 9:29 AM
Aeromexico further increase YVR-MEX service.

As mentioned before, service runs 15-16x weekly on April.

May service now increase to 15x weekly with extra flights on Saturday.

June to Sept 15, service increase to 16x weekly with extra flights on Sat and Sun.

trofirhen
Jan 21, 2019, 2:18 PM
Aeromexico further increase YVR-MEX service.

As mentioned before, service runs 15-16x weekly on April.

May service now increase to 15x weekly with extra flights on Saturday.

June to Sept 15, service increase to 16x weekly with extra flights on Sat and Sun.

Encouraging news. I wonder when we'll get Guadalajara and / or Monterrey?

Johnny Aussie
Jan 21, 2019, 6:38 PM
Aeromexico further increase YVR-MEX service.

As mentioned before, service runs 15-16x weekly on April.

May service now increase to 15x weekly with extra flights on Saturday.

June to Sept 15, service increase to 16x weekly with extra flights on Sat and Sun.

They must be doing well here. I’d be curious to know how many pax are connecting through MEX to Central / South America, how many pax are transferring to other cities in Mexico and how much is O&D with Mexico City.

Meanwhile Interjet is back to 4 weekly each to MEX and CUN.

Perhaps Volaris or Viva Aerobus will come here too.

Viva Aerobus currently flying to PVR on behalf of Sunwing on one of its weekly flights.

officedweller
Jan 21, 2019, 9:07 PM
I took a flight on AeroMexico from YVR to Caboa San Lucas via Mexico City in November (because it was cheaper than WestJet direct).
It was a long detour (Mexico City to Cabo was 2 hours!) and layover, but the flight was okay and I'd never flown over Mexico City before.
Strangely, the red eye flight on the way down was unusually hot in the cabin, but normal on the way back.
We got a free meal on the longer segment of the flight -
ham and cheese sandwich on the red eye down, and vegetable pasta on the way back up.
They also handed out free headphones (which I kept) and they have a good free movie and tv show selection on individual seatback monitors.

nname
Jan 22, 2019, 8:02 PM
Last night's update, YVR-PEK had been downgauged from 77W to 77L starting from June 2nd. No other route gained that 77W.

So all 77L scheduled for next summer are:

YYZ-HKG-YYZ
YYZ-YVR-SYD-YVR-YYZ
YYZ-FRA-YYC-FRA-YYZ
YVR-PEK

That's a requirement of 7 planes. But consider the plane have to go from YYZ base to YVR, that makes it 8... and AC only have 6 of them.

So..
1. How would the plane go from YYZ-YVR? A lot of down time if it's just used to operate the domestic flight, schedule for FRA also doesn't match, and downgauge YVR-HKG ??
2. Now AC have 2 extra 77W (another from YVR-PVG) but 2 77L short, which of the 77L route will be upgauged?

SpongeG
Jan 22, 2019, 9:14 PM
I wonder if this will have any impact for flights

Brexit, Canada’s spat with China could hit B.C. tourism

Travel advisories, potential downturn in discretionary spending threaten to deter visitors

By Glen Korstrom | January 21, 2019

https://biv.com/article/2019/01/brexit-canadas-spat-china-could-hit-bc-tourism?fbclid=IwAR1kdu5435RLJQwa5-y1CSW_dpwGX8E-T6eAQRYp66_MPh3q-L-eynwCYHk

Rogie
Jan 24, 2019, 9:00 PM
Abbotsford YXX opened their terminal expansion today, squarely aiming at budget travellers in the region. Their ambition is to handle 10% of YVR's traffic within 10 years. They confidently predict 1 million this year, maybe by October or November.

westernaviationnews.com/2019/01/24/abbotsford-opens-terminal-expansion/