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trofirhen
Jan 24, 2019, 9:21 PM
Great that Abbotsford YXX is expanding. Right now it's for low-cost flights, but may, in time, mature into a small airport that handles mainline traffic, too.
I think it's it's always good for a city like Vancouver, now with YVR busier than ever, to have another airport as a backup in case of emergencies and flight diversions of any sort.
*Also, having two airports is a sign of the maturation of a metropolitan airport's air traffic, and of the city itself.

LeftCoaster
Jan 25, 2019, 7:52 PM
So..
1. How would the plane go from YYZ-YVR? A lot of down time if it's just used to operate the domestic flight, schedule for FRA also doesn't match, and downgauge YVR-HKG ??
2. Now AC have 2 extra 77W (another from YVR-PVG) but 2 77L short, which of the 77L route will be upgauged?

Also the downguage is massive and doesn't really make sense with the new AC/CA JV. We should be seeing more Asia pax routed through PEK, not 30% less.

Unless this is met with a corresponding increase by Air China it doesn't make sense from both a fleet utilization standpoint, nor a capacity standpoint.

craneSpotter
Jan 25, 2019, 8:19 PM
Abbotsford YXX opened their terminal expansion today, squarely aiming at budget travellers in the region. Their ambition is to handle 10% of YVR's traffic within 10 years. They confidently predict 1 million this year, maybe by October or November.

westernaviationnews.com/2019/01/24/abbotsford-opens-terminal-expansion/

The article refers to Abbotford as a Vancouver suburb - twice! The Lower Mainland's geography almost guarantees YXX growth over the next 20 years as Langley, Abbotsford/Mission and Chilliwack grow (my quick math says there is >500,000 people in the region) - only makes sense that a larger airport is needed in the Valley for domestic connections and winter leisure destinations. Kind of like ONT in the greater LA area.

You'll know YXX is significant when AC starts scheduled service there - YYZ should be one of the first, on Rouge maybe?

Johnny Aussie
Jan 25, 2019, 9:35 PM
Also the downguage is massive and doesn't really make sense with the new AC/CA JV. We should be seeing more Asia pax routed through PEK, not 30% less.

Unless this is met with a corresponding increase by Air China it doesn't make sense from both a fleet utilization standpoint, nor a capacity standpoint.

There’s a fair amount of capacity adjustments to China lately.... same with Australia. CA pulling its SYD/MEL-PVG flights and pulling out of BNE altogether.
There are no moves on secondary markets either and Australia isn’t capped like Canada (yet). Europe seems to be the target of new capacity adds recently.

Johnny Aussie
Jan 25, 2019, 9:38 PM
The article refers to Abbotford as a Vancouver suburb - twice! The Lower Mainland's geography almost guarantees YXX growth over the next 20 years as Langley, Abbotsford/Mission and Chilliwack grow (my quick math says there is >500,000 people in the region) - only makes sense that a larger airport is needed in the Valley for domestic connections and winter leisure destinations. Kind of like ONT in the greater LA area.

You'll know YXX is significant when AC starts scheduled service there - YYZ should be one of the first, on Rouge maybe?

A lot of this capacity may be more of a strategic attack against Flair than anything else.

AC has been in and out of YXX over the years. Rouge is already on YXX-YYZ (seasonal summer service). There used to be flights to YYC on Jazz as well. I think AC will continue to focus on YVR and let the others duke it out at YXX.

nname
Jan 26, 2019, 5:54 AM
Mexico traffic data for 2018 (http://www.sct.gob.mx/transporte-y-medicina-preventiva/aeronautica-civil/5-estadisticas/53-estadistica-operacional-de-aerolineas-traffic-statistics-by-airline/)

One way from Vancouver to...
CANCUN 115,721 +32.6%
HUATULCO 8,537 +23.7%
IXTAPA 7,389 +57.4%
MANZANILLO 0 -100.0%
MAZATLAN 7,810 -12.1%
MEXICO 174,946 +33.8%
PUERTO VALLARTA 79,463 +12.5%
SAN JOSÉ DEL CABO 52,268 +28.2%

TOTAL 446,134 +26.5%

I assume the return flights should be similar, so I'm not going to do it twice :D

Interestingly for all other Canadian cities, the traffic to CUN is almost double of MEX.... Maybe there's a lot of connecting traffic in YVR-MEX? Or somehow Vancouverites prefers going to Mexico City rather than Cancun for their vacation :D

Johnny Aussie
Jan 26, 2019, 6:24 AM
Mexico traffic data for 2018 (http://www.sct.gob.mx/transporte-y-medicina-preventiva/aeronautica-civil/5-estadisticas/53-estadistica-operacional-de-aerolineas-traffic-statistics-by-airline/)

One way from Vancouver to...
CANCUN 115,721 +32.6%
HUATULCO 8,537 +23.7%
IXTAPA 7,389 +57.4%
MANZANILLO 0 -100.0%
MAZATLAN 7,810 -12.1%
MEXICO 174,946 +33.8%
PUERTO VALLARTA 79,463 +12.5%
SAN JOSÉ DEL CABO 52,268 +28.2%

TOTAL 446,134 +26.5%

I assume the return flights should be similar, so I'm not going to do it twice :D

Interestingly for all other Canadian cities, the traffic to CUN is almost double of MEX.... Maybe there's a lot of connecting traffic in YVR-MEX? Or somehow Vancouverites prefers going to Mexico City rather than Cancun for their vacation :D

These stats would be for passengers flying on the particular route and not O&D. I would think there would be a lot of connecting traffic at MEX particularly on AM.
But yes... with 5 flights per day to MEX that’s why that route is so large.

Those are some pretty impressive increases.

YYC total was 340,678
YEG total was 111,584
YLW total was about 15,000
And “Victoria, Columbia” had about 8,200

Marshal
Jan 26, 2019, 9:14 AM
Abbotsford YXX opened their terminal expansion today, squarely aiming at budget travellers in the region. Their ambition is to handle 10% of YVR's traffic within 10 years. They confidently predict 1 million this year, maybe by October or November.

westernaviationnews.com/2019/01/24/abbotsford-opens-terminal-expansion/

As posted above: Local TV news reported YXX 2018 total: 842,212.

Marshal
Jan 26, 2019, 9:16 AM
Great that Abbotsford YXX is expanding. Right now it's for low-cost flights, but may, in time, mature into a small airport that handles mainline traffic, too.
I think it's it's always good for a city like Vancouver, now with YVR busier than ever, to have another airport as a backup in case of emergencies and flight diversions of any sort.
*Also, having two airports is a sign of the maturation of a metropolitan airport's air traffic, and of the city itself.

Abbotsford has been filling this role for decades.

nname
Jan 28, 2019, 8:22 AM
WS extends YVR-MCO year-round, summer flight is 1x weekly on Saturday.

Have not seen YXU and YHM added so far, and haven't seen any other changes (although I'm unfamiliar with WS schedule last year)

Rogie
Jan 28, 2019, 4:57 PM
WS extends YVR-MCO year-round, summer flight is 1x weekly on Saturday.

Have not seen YXU and YHM added so far, and haven't seen any other changes (although I'm unfamiliar with WS schedule last year)

MCO extension is the only addition for YVR.

https://westernaviationnews.com/2019/01/28/modest-growth-in-westjet-summer-schedule/

zahav
Jan 28, 2019, 10:48 PM
At this point I'd be surprised to see WS give YVR any other new routes (esp. in North America), they have been clear about only focusing on YYC, it means all flights will be planned to connect through there. Definitely a 180 from a few years ago, when WS was introducing new routes and AC's transborder was fairly stagnant. Now it's the opposite

Johnny Aussie
Jan 31, 2019, 10:22 PM
Although no official numbers posted yet looks like YVR finished off 2018 at 25.9Million....

http://www.yvr.ca/en/blog/2019/ceo-corner-january-2019

craneSpotter
Jan 31, 2019, 10:52 PM
AC has been in and out of YXX over the years. Rouge is already on YXX-YYZ (seasonal summer service). There used to be flights to YYC on Jazz as well. I think AC will continue to focus on YVR and let the others duke it out at YXX.

Of course..I should have clarified- daily, year-round scheduled service to YYZ - with only Rouge (A32x) - not AC mainline.

osirisboy
Jan 31, 2019, 11:46 PM
Richmond says that the d expansion is the largest since 1996. Is that right?! It's only adding 4 gates

nname
Feb 1, 2019, 1:01 AM
Of course..I should have clarified- daily, year-round scheduled service to YYZ - with only Rouge (A32x) - not AC mainline.

YYZ-YXX is 5x weekly A319 now.

SpongeG
Feb 1, 2019, 5:35 AM
So I am going to go to Tokyo in April and wonder any suggestions for an airline? some interesting options. Cheapest is with Air China but you have a short layover in Beijing. Cathay Pacific with a stop first in Hong Kong with a 20-hour layover, Korean Air with a stop in Seoul for a few hours or direct with either Air Canada or Japan Airlines, there are other options too, even Delta. I'm leaning to Air Canada.

Johnny Aussie
Feb 1, 2019, 5:44 AM
So I am going to go to Tokyo in April and wonder any suggestions for an airline? some interesting options. Cheapest is with Air China but you have a short layover in Beijing. Cathay Pacific with a stop first in Hong Kong with a 20-hour layover, Korean Air with a stop in Seoul for a few hours or direct with either Air Canada or Japan Airlines, there are other options too, even Delta. I'm leaning to Air Canada.

What about ANA to HND?

I only fly Star Alliance (unless there is no other option) so I am biased.

You are right though there are soooooo many options now.

CareerShow
Feb 1, 2019, 6:54 AM
So I am going to go to Tokyo in April and wonder any suggestions for an airline? some interesting options. Cheapest is with Air China but you have a short layover in Beijing. Cathay Pacific with a stop first in Hong Kong with a 20-hour layover, Korean Air with a stop in Seoul for a few hours or direct with either Air Canada or Japan Airlines, there are other options too, even Delta. I'm leaning to Air Canada.


JAL just adjusted their summer schedule, 763 back online starting mid summer.......

Hourglass
Feb 1, 2019, 7:41 AM
Major backtracking if you fly via HK or Beijing. Seoul could be a better option. For nonstop, I’d suggest ANA to Haneda as it’s closer to the city. JAL and AC fly to Narita which is further from the city.

teriyaki
Feb 1, 2019, 9:20 AM
Would recommend JAL on their 787 direct to Narita. Best economy seat product of all the airlines crossing the pacific. Although after the switch back to 767 could be questionable depending on which version they fly.

Could also look into Eva or China airlines connecting in TPE. They both fly RedEye out which I love because it means less vacation days taken.

Have flown the delta product from Seattle as well and would not necessarily recommend unless price difference is quite significant. Connecting in states is never too fun. Second only to the pain of connecting in China.

SpongeG
Feb 1, 2019, 9:58 AM
The delta option unless it was American flew out of YVR, perhaps a codeshare?

Anyway i want it cheap, Air Canada though lets you book a hotel and flight together making it easier, I don't know if I want to book the hotel separate, still figuring out what I can do there, maybe a couple days somewhere else but will see

thenoflyzone
Feb 1, 2019, 10:16 PM
Weak December numbers...

2018

Total: 25,936,907 +7,3%

Domestic: 12,446,722 +6,1%

International: 13,490,185 +8,5%

Transborder: 6,332,091 +5,6%

Asia Pacific: 4,465,253 +9,6%

Europe: 1,754,538 +9,4%



December

Total: 2,064,001 +2,8%

Domestic: 999,351 +2,8%

International: 1,064,650 +2,9%

Transborder: 494,549 +1,9%

Asia Pacific: 382,177 +4,9%

Europe: 80,459 +1,6%

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/facts-sheets/2018/12-december/yvr-december-passenger.pdf?la=en

Johnny Aussie
Feb 1, 2019, 11:07 PM
What was that sound?

The braking sound of pax stats!

Despite a rather weak December the total year result was excellent.

Based on what’s coming up no doubt 2019 will be a much slower growth year.

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/facts-sheets/2018/12-december/december-traffic-update.pdf?la=en

The fantastic result is the increase in international.

Total international was up over 1,060,000 for the year to just under 13.5 million. 52% of YVR pax are international.

Increased the gap with YUL to over 1.2 million.

For comparison SEA Intl was up 5.8% to 5.43 million which was an increase of under 300,000.

The gap with SEA just increased to over 8 million pax.

For SEA intl to catch up they would have to add 40 daily 280 seaters. Don’t really see that happening in the next few years :haha: :haha: :haha:

Decent cargo result to... just shy of 340,000 tonnes

mezzanine
Feb 2, 2019, 3:08 PM
So I am going to go to Tokyo in April and wonder any suggestions for an airline? some interesting options. Cheapest is with Air China but you have a short layover in Beijing. Cathay Pacific with a stop first in Hong Kong with a 20-hour layover, Korean Air with a stop in Seoul for a few hours or direct with either Air Canada or Japan Airlines, there are other options too, even Delta. I'm leaning to Air Canada.

I would add to the TPE camp. CI/BR/TPE really work to make connections easy, pricing is competitive and you can easily open jaw out of japan if you wanted to.

thenoflyzone
Feb 5, 2019, 2:46 AM
https://www.anna.aero/2019/01/30/global-turboprop-capacity-up-22-since-2009-vancouver-is-top-of-the-props-as-canada-overtakes-us-to-become-top-market/

highlights


Global turboprop capacity up 22% since 2009.
AC is leading carrier for turboprop seats/year, with 12.69 million seats available across its network in 2018.
YVR is ‘Top of the Props’ with the most departing seats on props per year in the world. YYZ is second, YYC is 4th.

Canada is the largest market for scheduled turboprop services, with more than twice as many seats as the next largest market, Indonesia
YTZ-YUL busiest turboprop route in the world, with over 700,000 one way seats available in 2018

libtard
Feb 5, 2019, 4:52 AM
What was that sound?

The braking sound of pax stats!

Despite a rather weak December the total year result was excellent.

Based on what’s coming up no doubt 2019 will be a much slower growth year.

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/facts-sheets/2018/12-december/december-traffic-update.pdf?la=en

The fantastic result is the increase in international.

Total international was up over 1,060,000 for the year to just under 13.5 million. 52% of YVR pax are international.

Increased the gap with YUL to over 1.2 million.

For comparison SEA Intl was up 5.8% to 5.43 million which was an increase of under 300,000.

The gap with SEA just increased to over 8 million pax.

For SEA intl to catch up they would have to add 40 daily 280 seaters. Don’t really see that happening in the next few years :haha: :haha: :haha:

Decent cargo result to... just shy of 340,000 tonnes

Total overall pax is what matters and SEA had 50 million.

nname
Feb 5, 2019, 5:43 AM
Total overall pax is what matters and SEA had 50 million.

That' probably not going to happen until Canada suddenly gain 200M population, or the US or China annexed BC... or maybe SYD-YVR-LHR somehow becomes a domestic route...

The population in Canada is just too small compared to US.

Anyways, about time for this week's AC schedule update...

Johnny Aussie
Feb 5, 2019, 5:48 AM
Total overall pax is what matters and SEA had 50 million.

Matters in what way? Depends on what metric you're looking at.

That is impressive for SEA no doubt. Almost cracked 50 million last year. That's an insane number.

I think it's amazing YVR has the 8th largest international pax figures among US and Canadian airports.

One of Seattle’s new routes SEA-KIX has just been made seasonal as well (“replaced” their year-round SEA-HKG flight)
They have CX, JL and SQ starting this year... that’s a start!

SpongeG
Feb 5, 2019, 11:02 PM
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SpongeG
Feb 6, 2019, 12:26 AM
WOW air cancels Vancouver route before it even launches

DH Vancouver StaffFeb 05, 2019

WOW air has officially cancelled its upcoming Vancouver route.

According to a statement from the airline, WOW air “had to stop the Vancouver route due to restructuring of the airline and aircraft availability.”

The airline also announced it has begun a conversation with Indigo Partners, a private equity firm established to pursue acquisitions and strategic investments in the air transportation and related industries.

...

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/wow-air-cancel-vancouver-route-2019

thenoflyzone
Feb 6, 2019, 1:52 AM
WOW air cancels Vancouver route before it even launches

DH Vancouver StaffFeb 05, 2019

WOW air has officially cancelled its upcoming Vancouver route.

According to a statement from the airline, WOW air “had to stop the Vancouver route due to restructuring of the airline and aircraft availability.”

The airline also announced it has begun a conversation with Indigo Partners, a private equity firm established to pursue acquisitions and strategic investments in the air transportation and related industries.

...

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/wow-air-cancel-vancouver-route-2019

old news....posted this a while ago...

thenoflyzone
Feb 6, 2019, 2:15 AM
One of Seattle’s new routes SEA-KIX has just been made seasonal as well (“replaced” their year-round SEA-HKG flight)


Hardly surprising.

As I said last June (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=8222523&postcount=13104), SEA-KIX is a poor substitute for SEA-HKG. I doubt the route will last.

trofirhen
Feb 7, 2019, 2:55 AM
It seems that YVR has no new major transborder or foreign destinations coming down the pipe this year. Kind of a shame, but hopefully it will get a couple more in 2020 or so.

CareerShow
Feb 7, 2019, 5:20 AM
Apparently the reason for the PEK downgrade is due to a tail strike incident at HKG, which significantly damaged one of AC’s 77W. The aircraft is yet to re-enter service, and a write-off could be in order according to rumours.

Johnny Aussie
Feb 7, 2019, 11:04 PM
Canada Jetlines now states YVR will be its base of operations.

Has this not gone full circle?

Let's see what next week brings....

https://jetlines.ca/2019/02/canada-jetlines-announces-secured-slots-at-vancouver-international-airport-and-has-selected-the-airport-as-its-home-base/

VANCOUVER, BRITISH COLUMBIA, Canada Jetlines Ltd. (JET: TSX-V) (JETMF: OTCQB) (the “Company” or “Jetlines”) is pleased to announce that it has chosen Vancouver International Airport (YVR) to be its home airport and primary base of operations when it begins flight operations targeted for later this year.

stiffdeadman
Feb 9, 2019, 5:41 AM
Canada Jetlines now states YVR will be its base of operations.

Has this not gone full circle?

Let's see what next week brings....

https://jetlines.ca/2019/02/canada-jetlines-announces-secured-slots-at-vancouver-international-airport-and-has-selected-the-airport-as-its-home-base/

VANCOUVER, BRITISH COLUMBIA, Canada Jetlines Ltd. (JET: TSX-V) (JETMF: OTCQB) (the “Company” or “Jetlines”) is pleased to announce that it has chosen Vancouver International Airport (YVR) to be its home airport and primary base of operations when it begins flight operations targeted for later this year.

i laugh at the part where it says a 30 minute drive for 2.5 million people. obviously the writer has never driven in vancouver. i live in south surrey and with the constant congestion in the tunnel it's more like an hour and 30 minutes to get there. i can almost get to seatac in that time. driving from coquitlam a similar experience as there is no real direct express route. usually takes over an hour.

thenoflyzone
Feb 11, 2019, 12:09 PM
Apparently the reason for the PEK downgrade is due to a tail strike incident at HKG, which significantly damaged one of AC’s 77W. The aircraft is yet to re-enter service, and a write-off could be in order according to rumours.

Not really, considering C-FITW is now back in service.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/c-fitw

nname
Feb 12, 2019, 9:36 AM
Apparently the reason for the PEK downgrade is due to a tail strike incident at HKG, which significantly damaged one of AC’s 77W. The aircraft is yet to re-enter service, and a write-off could be in order according to rumours.

YYZ-AMS/SFO gets the 77W from YVR-PEK/YYZ
YYZ/YYC-FRA gets the 789 from YYZ-AMS/SFO/LAX
YVR-PEK and YYZ-YVR/LAX gets the 77L from YYZ/YYC-FRA

Johnny Aussie
Feb 12, 2019, 10:40 AM
YYZ-AMS/SFO gets the 77W from YVR-PEK/YYZ
YYZ/YYC-FRA gets the 789 from YYZ-AMS/SFO/LAX
YVR-PEK and YYZ-YVR/LAX gets the 77L from YYZ/YYC-FRA

So does this mean all 789 77L and 77W frames are now accounted for?

Also AC increasing YVR-YOW to 4 daily this summer.

And a huge shift to Q400 flying this summer.

YXC, YYF, YKA, YPR, YYD, YZP will see DH4s for the first time. Shifting some DH3s to YYC to operate YQL and YXH.

nname
Feb 12, 2019, 11:23 AM
So does this mean all 789 77L and 77W frames are now accounted for?

Also AC increasing YVR-YOW to 4 daily this summer.

And a huge shift to Q400 flying this summer.

YXC, YYF, YKA, YPR, YYD, YZP will see DH4s for the first time. Shifting some DH3s to YYC to operate YQL and YXH.

I think so... with big change like this, maybe there are further changes tomorrow.

YKA YYF YXC YYD YCD all got frequency reduced anywhere from 5x weekly to 1x daily. Not sure what's the change in overall seat count.

YXC and YKA got reduced or cut from both YVR and YYC with the upgauge.

Also, unrelated, but Rouge now invades AC15xx... now I need to go change all my formulas :yuck:

Johnny Aussie
Feb 12, 2019, 11:32 AM
I think so... with big change like this, maybe there are further changes tomorrow.

YKA YYF YXC YYD YCD all got frequency reduced anywhere from 5x weekly to 1x daily. Not sure what's the change in overall seat count.

YXC and YKA got reduced or cut from both YVR and YYC with the upgauge.

Also, unrelated, but Rouge now invades AC15xx... now I need to go change all my formulas :yuck:

Yes frequency reductions with the upgauge to DH4s

YKA, YXC, YYF, YYD and YCD generally down 1 per day but overall seat count would be a wash or an increase in some cases.

YXT and YYJ both seeing increases in frequency and now all Q400s on every flight.

YXC is cut from YYC.

zahav
Feb 12, 2019, 11:14 PM
It looks lik YCG is the only airport still with DH3 service from YVR. Will that change do you think, or does their airport have restrictions on larger A/C? I know it's a challenging approach but not sure how that plays into having DH3 be thbe max? Or maybe tomorrow's update will have that as a DH4?

Denscity
Feb 12, 2019, 11:22 PM
It looks lik YCG is the only airport still with DH3 service from YVR. Will that change do you think, or does their airport have restrictions on larger A/C? I know it's a challenging approach but not sure how that plays into having DH3 be thbe max? Or maybe tomorrow's update will have that as a DH4?

Our airport YCG has a 5300 foot runway and used to welcome 737s in the old milk run days. No restrictions that I know of.
I'm hoping for q400 service as they have RNP capability which would eliminate most of our cancellations. That may drop us down to 2x daily from 3 though which I would accept.

Johnny Aussie
Feb 13, 2019, 5:12 AM
Yeah it does appear YCG will be the only airport in BC seeing DH3 ops.
Even YQQ just flipped to 4 daily DH4s.

nname
Feb 13, 2019, 9:44 PM
Yeah it does appear YCG will be the only airport in BC seeing DH3 ops.
Even YQQ just flipped to 4 daily DH4s.

So I suppose YYC will be the only DH3 base in western Canada?

Seems like YVR-YCG is running off plane based in YYC:

12:50 YYC - YVR 12:57
13:20 YCG - YVR 14:36
15:05 YVR - YCG 16:19
17:20 YCG - YVR 18:36

07:15 YVR - YCG 08:29
08:50 YCG - YVR 10:06
10:35 YVR - YCG 11:49
12:10 YCG - YYC 14:13


I still see the DH3 from YQQ though, even though from the scheduled time it's unlikey that it will remain.

If that flight gets removed, then next summer YVR and YUL will have exactly the same number of flights at 1307 weekly. Judging from weekly frequency alone, YYZ is -3%, YVR is +2%, YUL is +3%, YYC is -15% compared to last year.

Johnny Aussie
Feb 13, 2019, 11:32 PM
If that flight gets removed, then next summer YVR and YUL will have exactly the same number of flights at 1307 weekly. Judging from weekly frequency alone, YYZ is -3%, YVR is +2%, YUL is +3%, YYC is -15% compared to last year.

You may have to do that awesome chart of yours too.

YVR maintaining its mainline flights too while others get continually transferred to rouge.

YYC’s reduction almost entirely due to the loss of Air Georgian. Capacity wise probably only down very marginally.

nname
Feb 14, 2019, 12:34 AM
You may have to do that awesome chart of yours too.

In a couple of week, as there will be further changes (the extra DH3 to YQQ, one daily BEH left in YYC schedule, double count of YUL-ALG and YYC-YHZ between mainline and Rouge, etc).

YYC’s reduction almost entirely due to the loss of Air Georgian. Capacity wise probably only down very marginally.

More than that. YYC is down about 150 express flights, and BEH only account for 122 of them. The ones result in net capacity loss are:

YYC-YEG
YYC-YEG-YZF
YYC-PDX

But then YYC gained quite a bit of capacity in YYC-YYZ...

Speaking of which, noticed that AC operation at YZF is entirely CR9 starting Aug 1st (YYC/YEG rotate through second-daily YVR-YZF flight which also starts on the same day)

Denscity
Feb 14, 2019, 5:42 AM
So I suppose YYC will be the only DH3 base in western Canada?

Seems like YVR-YCG is running off plane based in YYC:

12:50 YYC - YVR 12:57
13:20 YCG - YVR 14:36
15:05 YVR - YCG 16:19
17:20 YCG - YVR 18:36

07:15 YVR - YCG 08:29
08:50 YCG - YVR 10:06
10:35 YVR - YCG 11:49
12:10 YCG - YYC 14:13


I still see the DH3 from YQQ though, even though from the scheduled time it's unlikey that it will remain.

If that flight gets removed, then next summer YVR and YUL will have exactly the same number of flights at 1307 weekly. Judging from weekly frequency alone, YYZ is -3%, YVR is +2%, YUL is +3%, YYC is -15% compared to last year.

A dummy booking June 1st shows a Q400 Castlegar to Calgary return and the usual Dash 8 300 Castlegar to Vancouver return.

Johnny Aussie
Feb 14, 2019, 8:35 AM
A dummy booking June 1st shows a Q400 Castlegar to Calgary return and the usual Dash 8 300 Castlegar to Vancouver return.

AC has a funny way of bridging their booking engine and their schedule engine.

They tend to update the schedules first then they update the booking engine.

Also, looking at YCG-YYC and YYC-YCG in dummy bookings.... one direction it’s a DH4 and the other direction it’s a DH3.

Johnny Aussie
Feb 14, 2019, 9:54 AM
AC's rise at YVR in 10 years.... comparing summer 2019 to summer 2009

2009

In 2009 AC had:

47 weekly international (non-US) flights to 7 destinations (less than 7 daily)
178 weekly Transborder flights to 10 destinations (about 25 daily)

AC's total international ops at YVR in summer 2009:

225 weekly flights to 17 destinations (~ 32 daily)

2019

Fast forward to summer 2019 AC will have:

113 weekly international (non-US) flights to 18 destinations (~16 daily)
301 weekly Transborder flights to 17 destinations (43 daily)

AC's total international ops at YVR in summer 2019:

414 weekly flights to 35 destinations (~60 daily!)

Note also every non-US international flight is mainline this summer.

Even with the reduction in frequencies on some intra provincial routes because of the upgauges from DH3s to DH4s, overall YVR ops this summer are greater than summer 2018 due to increases on other routes.

Mainline increases from 81 to 86 daily summer 2019.

In comparison with Westjet:

In 2009 Westjet had 14 weekly Transborder flights at YVR (YEG had more than YVR in 2009).
In 2019 that's increased to 74 weekly.

And for international carriers
Summer 2009 had 113 weekly flights on 13 carriers
Summer 2019 will have 192 weekly flights on 24 carriers

Denscity
Feb 14, 2019, 5:09 PM
AC has a funny way of bridging their booking engine and their schedule engine.

They tend to update the schedules first then they update the booking engine.

Also, looking at YCG-YYC and YYC-YCG in dummy bookings.... one direction it’s a DH4 and the other direction it’s a DH3.

Ah weird. We've never had a Q400 land here ever so we will see what happens.
Here's hopin'.

SpongeG
Feb 14, 2019, 9:41 PM
New YVR cargo facility could blow away Burkeville: Richmond residents

Alan Campbell / Richmond News
FEBRUARY 13, 2019

The construction of a giant cargo facility at YVR could be the last straw for life as Burkeville residents know it.

Vancouver Airport Authority (VAA) is planning the three-storey building on green space it owns immediately to the west of the 328-home community on Sea Island.

The move, say the residents, will bring cargo aircraft and associated operations within 300 metres of their backyards and Sea Island elementary.

VAA contends aircraft will come no closer than they do already and are offering to beautify and develop the Templeton corridor for the benefit of the community.


For the residents of Burkeville, however, it’s not so much the loss of the 10-acre space they know as Templeton Park, it’s the loss of a “vital buffer zone” for noise pollution from the airport.

“We live in Burkeville, we get it, we are used to the noise of aircraft taking off and landing, no problem,” said long-term resident Andrew Baxter.

“But we need that noise buffer for the operational stuff; this is coming too close now. It’s not the loss of the park space, it’s that buffer.

“They can keep all their corridor improvements, we don’t need them. We have constantly asked why this can’t go elsewhere on YVR property.”

...

https://www.richmond-news.com/community/new-yvr-cargo-facility-could-blow-away-burkeville-richmond-residents-1.23632414

Johnny Aussie
Feb 15, 2019, 2:56 AM
Looks like Sunwing has pulled all its Western Canada sunflights this summer.

They will only offer daily YVR-YYZ domestic flights.

Sun flights will resume in the fall

Transat will still have its weekly YVR-CUN and YVR-PVR flights this summer.

nname
Feb 15, 2019, 6:14 AM
Looks like Sunwing has pulled all its Western Canada sunflights this summer.

They will only offer daily YVR-YYZ domestic flights.

Sun flights will resume in the fall

Transat will still have its weekly YVR-CUN and YVR-PVR flights this summer.

Hmm... still see SJD and VRA in booking though. Is WG's booking also update late like AC's?

Johnny Aussie
Feb 15, 2019, 9:19 AM
Hmm... still see SJD and VRA in booking though. Is WG's booking also update late like AC's?

Oops. Bad sleuthing on my part. Gone are flights to CUN and PVR but definitely flights to VRA and SJD.

So I will rephrase that Sunwing is greatly reducing its sun flying program this summer in western Canada by about a half.

jollyburger
Feb 15, 2019, 7:34 PM
New YVR cargo facility could blow away Burkeville: Richmond residents

Alan Campbell / Richmond News
FEBRUARY 13, 2019

The construction of a giant cargo facility at YVR could be the last straw for life as Burkeville residents know it.

Vancouver Airport Authority (VAA) is planning the three-storey building on green space it owns immediately to the west of the 328-home community on Sea Island.

The move, say the residents, will bring cargo aircraft and associated operations within 300 metres of their backyards and Sea Island elementary.

VAA contends aircraft will come no closer than they do already and are offering to beautify and develop the Templeton corridor for the benefit of the community.


For the residents of Burkeville, however, it’s not so much the loss of the 10-acre space they know as Templeton Park, it’s the loss of a “vital buffer zone” for noise pollution from the airport.

“We live in Burkeville, we get it, we are used to the noise of aircraft taking off and landing, no problem,” said long-term resident Andrew Baxter.

“But we need that noise buffer for the operational stuff; this is coming too close now. It’s not the loss of the park space, it’s that buffer.

“They can keep all their corridor improvements, we don’t need them. We have constantly asked why this can’t go elsewhere on YVR property.”

...

https://www.richmond-news.com/community/new-yvr-cargo-facility-could-blow-away-burkeville-richmond-residents-1.23632414

The move, say the residents, will bring cargo aircraft and associated operations within 300 metres of their backyards and Sea Island elementary.

“There’s going to be a three-storey hangar, 300 feet from my back door; there’s going to be lots more noise and health concerns. It’s going to make Burkeville uninhabitable."

At the moment, says Welters, there’s about 2,000 feet between the nearest Burkeville home and the FedEx building.

A) How the reporter interchanges 300 metres and feet is astounding.

B) Look at Google Maps there's a plane at the FedEx building and it's already 300 metres away (ie 90 feet) There is no way the building is 2000 feet away.

officedweller
Feb 16, 2019, 12:04 AM
Posted Jan 5th:

That's interesting, because the current plan is for Templeton to end in a cul-de-sac south of Miller Road for the development of a new logistics facility
- I think it's for FEDEX.

http://www.yvr.ca/en/about-yvr/community/engagement/templeton-area-redevelopment

https://i.imgur.com/3Z3aTuR.png
http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/community/templeton-area-redevelopment-open-house-display-boards.pdf?la=en

Johnny Aussie
Feb 16, 2019, 1:35 AM
AC's press release about the deployment of more Q400 capacity in a YVR and YYC

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-02-14-Air-Canada-Enhances-Service-by-Deploying-Q400-Aircraft-to-More-Western-Canada-Regional-Markets

They don't mention it but there are also capacity increases to: YYJ, YXT, YZF, SEA, SFO, Hawaii (HNL/OGG overall), YXC and YXJ and the 4th daily to YOW.

The only real decrease ex-YVR is YLW which is down one daily.
YXY and YXE are each losing one frequency per week.
YEG and YYC each down a couple of frequencies per week but larger aircraft on some of the flights so overall marginal increase in seats on those two routes

Johnny Aussie
Feb 17, 2019, 8:38 PM
Latest OAG update on airliners.net has DL extending ATL to year-round.

5 weekly in the scheds through winter.

Flights operate except Tuesdays and Wednesdays red-eye departures on 739s

CloudInspector
Feb 18, 2019, 6:56 PM
Latest OAG update on airliners.net has DL extending ATL to year-round.

5 weekly in the scheds through winter.

Flights operate except Tuesdays and Wednesdays red-eye departures on 739s

I imagine this is related to the Delta JV?

casper
Feb 18, 2019, 11:34 PM
I imagine this is related to the Delta JV?

I have done that flight the odd time. departs after us custom closes in Vancouver so no pre clearance.

Departing from the international concourse means it is served by the new sky team lounge.

mezzanine
Feb 20, 2019, 5:54 AM
Interesting article from routes online. AC is still interested in SIN, but didn't know about their interest in HAN and MNL. MNL could be reached from YYZ, but not sure about SIN and HAN.

Other destinations on the agenda for the introduction of Air Canada services include the Philippines, Vietnam and Singapore, and Macleod is confident they can all be served from the airline’s Toronto and Vancouver hubs, although he admits more wide-bodied aircraft will be needed to serve them. He also argues that the airline’s hubs, which also include Montreal, have a far greater market than the 36.95 million Canadians in the country.


https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/282686/how-air-canada-is-facing-up-to-its-challenges/

thenoflyzone
Feb 20, 2019, 10:09 PM
Interesting. They mention New Zealand, as if they already fly there. Maybe a Freudian slip.

Then again, they mention the 737 Max operating to Bucharest. That one is a stupid slip.....

“Some of those markets such as New Zealand, our recent expansion of Australia into Melbourne and Brisbane, sub-Saharan Africa and South America are all great opportunities for us to increase our winter utilisation and improve our winter margins. We’re very focused on that.”

Northern winter seasonal could work. No extra frames needed.

whatnext
Feb 21, 2019, 7:34 PM
There's a big article on Westjet in today Globe (behind their paywall). Questions whether their expansion to a full-service airline was wise. Also mentions they will have their own lounges at YVR, YYC and YYZ in 18 months.

WestJet is in trouble. Is becoming more like Air Canada the fix?
Born as a scrappy discount upstart, WestJet has suffered through internal upheavals and badly lagged Air Canada in recent years. But now the airline is adding big new planes, a business class with lie-flat seats, an ultra-low-cost subsidiary and much more. Is any of it going to work?
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/rob-magazine/article-westjet-is-in-trouble-is-becoming-more-like-air-canada-the-fix/

trofirhen
Feb 21, 2019, 8:59 PM
There's a big article on Westjet in today Globe (behind their paywall). Questions whether their expansion to a full-service airline was wise. Also mentions they will have their own lounges at YVR, YYC and YYZ in 18 months.

WestJet is in trouble. Is becoming more like Air Canada the fix?
Born as a scrappy discount upstart, WestJet has suffered through internal upheavals and badly lagged Air Canada in recent years. But now the airline is adding big new planes, a business class with lie-flat seats, an ultra-low-cost subsidiary and much more. Is any of it going to work?
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/rob-magazine/article-westjet-is-in-trouble-is-becoming-more-like-air-canada-the-fix/

I have a problem accessing this article. // I click on the link, the article appears for a brief moment, then an ad pops up /// I cancel the ad (pressing'x' and I'm on another page.
The Westjet article has disappared. Do you know how to re-access it? Thanks.

SpongeG
Feb 21, 2019, 9:04 PM
globe and mail is a subscription service, you need to pay to read the article.

s211
Feb 21, 2019, 9:05 PM
I have a problem accessing this article. // I click on the link, the article appears for a brief moment, then an ad pops up /// I cancel the ad (pressing'x' and I'm on another page.
The Westjet article has disappared. Do you know how to re-access it? Thanks.

BEHIND THEIR PAYWALL. Please read the original post more carefully.

zahav
Feb 24, 2019, 9:04 AM
YVR doing a major food overhall with tons of new additions to be complete by next year. Some cool adds like Hawsworth, Red Truck Brewery, Steamworks, a Japadog cart, 49th Parallel, Dirty Apron, and many more. I wish they'd have more Richmond-style chinese options and a taco place tho. But the new shake-up definitely takes it in a more prestigious direction than the existing

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/yvr-airport-new-food-and-beverage-concepts-2019

YYCguys
Feb 24, 2019, 2:56 PM
Are the RSOs in Pier D ready to go? Is there any indication of which airlines will utilize them?

connect2source
Feb 24, 2019, 4:13 PM
YVR doing a major food overhall with tons of new additions to be complete by next year. Some cool adds like Hawsworth, Red Truck Brewery, Steamworks, a Japadog cart, 49th Parallel, Dirty Apron, and many more. I wish they'd have more Richmond-style chinese options and a taco place tho. But the new shake-up definitely takes it in a more prestigious direction than the existing

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/yvr-airport-new-food-and-beverage-concepts-2019

Great news!! This is SO overdue, YVR's food offering are way behind most other highly regarded airports. I travel lots to Europe and the offerings in airports like Heathrow, Munich, Frankfurt, AMS, even second tier UK airports like Stansted and Gatwick are vast and innovative.

One only has to return from an overseas flight along the upper level of our international terminal and view the crap offerings in the food court of A&W, Subway and Tims.

Denscity
Feb 24, 2019, 7:24 PM
Great news!! This is SO overdue, YVR's food offering are way behind most other highly regarded airports. I travel lots to Europe and the offerings in airports like Heathrow, Munich, Frankfurt, AMS, even second tier UK airports like Stansted and Gatwick are vast and innovative.

One only has to return from an overseas flight along the upper level of our international terminal and view the crap offerings in the food court of A&W, Subway and Tims.

Yah stoked big improvement!

Rogie
Feb 25, 2019, 1:22 AM
Are the RSOs in Pier D ready to go? Is there any indication of which airlines will utilize them?

They're not ready yet as a full facility (construction is ongoing), though RSO operations are happening at the busiest times and start up again very soon. It's supposed to rotate between airlines using the D pier, including AC.

SpongeG
Feb 25, 2019, 3:42 AM
YVR doing a major food overhall with tons of new additions to be complete by next year. Some cool adds like Hawsworth, Red Truck Brewery, Steamworks, a Japadog cart, 49th Parallel, Dirty Apron, and many more. I wish they'd have more Richmond-style chinese options and a taco place tho. But the new shake-up definitely takes it in a more prestigious direction than the existing

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/yvr-airport-new-food-and-beverage-concepts-2019

There has been an empty space next to Carl's Jr since Pier B opened up a few years ago, let's hope they get something for that spot. Really crappy options on that side.

Hourglass
Feb 25, 2019, 4:09 AM
YVR doing a major food overhall with tons of new additions to be complete by next year. Some cool adds like Hawsworth, Red Truck Brewery, Steamworks, a Japadog cart, 49th Parallel, Dirty Apron, and many more. I wish they'd have more Richmond-style chinese options and a taco place tho. But the new shake-up definitely takes it in a more prestigious direction than the existing

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/yvr-airport-new-food-and-beverage-concepts-2019

Ooh looking forward to Japadog. Like the local mix. But...

Too bad they couldn’t get a Shake Shack in. That’s practically the only good thing about LGA. They’re opening one in SIN too.

SpongeG
Feb 25, 2019, 4:16 AM
they have a japadog at the airport, its outside on the way to the train

Hourglass
Feb 25, 2019, 5:22 AM
they have a japadog at the airport, its outside on the way to the train

You’re right. Forgot about that. I never stop though since I’m always rushing for the train haha

dharper
Feb 25, 2019, 8:43 AM
I just returned from a trip overseas, and was surprised by the prices at the Hudsons shops in YVR. A few years ago I thought that they were anywhere between 20-50% higher than a 7-Eleven on the street. I would say a reasonable price for the the location. But now they are 100-120% above an average convenience store. I thought that is a typical example of captive gouging.
That is a far cry from when the new YVR opened 20 or so years ago, and they were boasting about how there concessions were street priced.

SFUVancouver
Feb 25, 2019, 5:09 PM
Good news on the food product revamp at YVR. Definitely time for a refresh, and, hopefully a sign of an appetite for a future review and refresh of the non-F&B retail offerings, too.

I agree that Hudson's is overpriced, but there's also very little that is Vancouver-specific about the non-F&B retail offerings. I think of PDX and DEN as great examples where Powell's and Denver's Powell's equivalent have large airport outlets that are genuine book stores with thousands of titles in stock, not just the current best sellers and self-improvement/business cult pablum.

At YVR, the Vancouver Aquarium shop is good example of a place-specific retailer, and it would be neat to see a Science World equivalent. A Kidsbooks outlet would be a great addition to the airport, too. But for the most part YVR just has a lot of generic airport fare like luggage and fashion stores, from which I swear I have never seen anyone leave with a purchase, and generic electrics stores and book-convenience store hybrids. All this is separate from the international duty-free shops, incidentally, which are highly profitable for airports around the world.

I also think that the quality of customer service could be improved at the airport. Moscow's Domodedovo has an interesting, and admittedly heavy-handed, approach: retailers must agree to a very specific code of conduct as part of their lease/concession contract and must put up a large cash deposit with the airport. The deposit varies by type of business, say a couple of million dollars for a bar or restaurant to a few hundred thousand for a smaller retailer, etc. The airport has secret shoppers and every time the code of conduct is violated, the airport assesses a fine and makes a withdrawal from the deposit.

Code of conduct violations include a range of things like operational issues, such as having too few staff on overnight or even not keeping the store open 24/7 as required to match the airport's continuous operation and disproportional number of transiting passengers on overnight layovers. There are also behavioral/training violations like rudeness to customers, deceptive or fraudulent sales practices, improper hygiene or appearance of staff, or failure of staff to have basic knowledge about the airport to assist in traveler way finding or directions.

The mandatory deposits, secret shoppers, and fines were not loved by the retailers, as you can imagine, when they were first introduced, but the required deposits decline in direct proportion to the number and severity of infractions and the length of time the leaseholder has been present in the airport, though there is a minimum that airport still requires. Apparently the program has now just become part of doing business at the airport and the rate of fines being issued has plummeted over the years as the merchants adapt and improve their level of service and professionalism. Domodedovo is now ranked highest in the CIS for passenger satisfaction with their airport retail experience.

SpongeG
Feb 26, 2019, 6:58 AM
Paradies to open four new stores at Vancouver Airport
By ANDREW PENTOL | Monday, 25 February 2019

https://d24chjhol3kq77.cloudfront.net/trbusiness.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Coastal-News-Vancouver.jpg
Coastal News Vancouver
The new Coastal News store in the International Terminal Building at Vancouver Airport will appear to airport employees and international travellers alike.

Paradies Lagardère is to open four new stores at Vancouver International Airport having been awarded two concessions packages.

Three will be located in the International Terminal Building (ITB) and one in the Domestic Terminal Building (DTB).

Coastal News, which will open in 2019, will feature a new modern design that will appeal to airport employees and international travellers alike, according to the company.

PRE-SECURITY LOCATION

The ITB pre-security location will offer travel basics such as neck pillows, eye masks, travel adapters, smartphone cables, drinks and snacks and regional gifts and gourmet food items such as Maple Crème cookies and Icewine tea and chocolates.

In the ITB post-security, Relay will also feature a new design offering travel essentials and a full-service illy Café with seating. Both concepts will open in 2019.

Next year, a Deepwater Spirit shop offering local products will begin trading in the new expanded ITB area, while a new Pacific Coast News outlet will also open in the DTB pre-security area.

https://d24chjhol3kq77.cloudfront.net/trbusiness.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Deepwater-Spirit-Vancouver.jpg
A Deepwater Spirit shop offering local product will open next year in the new expanded International Terminal Building Area.


...

https://www.trbusiness.com/regional-news/the-americas/paradies-to-open-four-new-stores-at-vancouver-airport/160126

zahav
Feb 26, 2019, 7:29 AM
There's already Japadog at the airport? I thought it was just at McArthurGlen?

SpongeG
Feb 26, 2019, 7:50 AM
its outside on the arrivals level in that little park

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nname
Feb 26, 2019, 7:52 AM
New AC route for W19

AC 51 YVR 23:45 - 11:05 AKL 788 1246
AC 52 AKL 14:40 - 06:40 YVR 788 1346

Effective Dec 12, 2019

thenoflyzone
Feb 26, 2019, 11:46 AM
One hell of a Freudian slip......

;)

Denscity
Feb 26, 2019, 6:44 PM
Ya you called it they talked like it was already a thing before it was announced.

Johnny Aussie
Feb 26, 2019, 10:59 PM
New AC route for W19

AC 51 YVR 23:45 - 11:05 AKL 788 1246
AC 52 AKL 14:40 - 06:40 YVR 788 1346

Effective Dec 12, 2019

Fantastic!

The INTL Maple Leaf Lounge will be buzzing now. Some nights there will be SYD, MEL, BNE, DEL and AKL.

On our last trip back a month ago on EVA Air the airport at night just seems to be getting busier each year. Long gone are the days of just AC to SYD, CX to HKG and PR to MNL.

s211
Feb 27, 2019, 12:22 AM
Fantastic!

The INTL Maple Leaf Lounge will be buzzing now.

Ummm.... yay, I guess?

I like my lounges quiet, and business-like.

Johnny Aussie
Feb 27, 2019, 2:36 AM
Ummm.... yay, I guess?

I like my lounges quiet, and business-like.

Those days are slowly dwindling as more flights are added.

Sometimes you get a choice of lounges depending on status so Lounge hopping is necessary.

casper
Feb 27, 2019, 3:19 AM
Those days are slowly dwindling as more flights are added.

Sometimes you get a choice of lounges depending on status so Lounge hopping is necessary.

I wonder, would the Skyteam lounge be the quietest that time of night. There would just be the Delta flight to Atlanta in the evening. I believe it is a priority pass lounge.

Johnny Aussie
Feb 27, 2019, 5:14 AM
I wonder, would the Skyteam lounge be the quietest that time of night. There would just be the Delta flight to Atlanta in the evening. I believe it is a priority pass lounge.

There’s also China Airlines, China Eastern, Xiamen, Aeromexico, plus in the summer DL to JFK too on top of ATL.

Sky team is a Priority Pass Lounge but there is also the Plaza Premium Lounge which is also a Priorty Pass Lounge. is a separate lounge. EVA Air uses it but we are Star Gold so we used both MLL and Plaza Premium.

Vagabond
Feb 27, 2019, 6:12 AM
There’s also China Airlines, China Eastern, Xiamen, Aeromexico, plus in the summer DL to JFK too on top of ATL.

Sky team is a Priority Pass Lounge but there is also the Plaza Premium Lounge which is also a Priorty Pass Lounge. is a separate lounge. EVA Air uses it but we are Star Gold so we used both MLL and Plaza Premium.

For what it's worth, The Points Guy posted a glowing review of YVR's Skyteam Lounge when it opened last year (https://thepointsguy.com/2018/02/review-skyteams-stunning-new-lounge-in-vancouver/), even saying "this might be the nicest Priority Pass lounge I’ve visited in North America." I can concur that it is a great facility, and wasn't particularly busy on the day we visited, even with a Korean Air 787 parked directly underneath.

The Skyteam Lounge is also great value for families, as kids under 12 are free (one per paying adult, that is). This makes it a better deal than the main international terminal PP lounge at YVR (which charges admission for kids 2 and up).

teriyaki
Feb 27, 2019, 11:35 AM
Had the opportunity to visit the Skyteam lounge on a few occasions since it opened. Its got great architecture and interesting views from up top, but the 2 things that are most important to me in a lounge being food, and a good shower were lacking.

The food, especially since i've always used it around midnight for the overnight TPAC flights tends to be quite sparse. I much prefer the plaza premium if its still open before the flights. Unfortunate that it closes at I believe 12am.

Shower, while they have 2 shower rooms and are usually not populated at midnight which is great. The venting system here is incredibly inefficient and the heat inside the shower rooms accumulates quite a bit. I usually come out more sweaty than I entered:yuck:

Johnny Aussie
Feb 27, 2019, 2:15 PM
AC’s press release for YVR-AKL

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-02-27-Kia-Ora-Air-Canada-to-Launch-Seasonal-Flights-to-Auckland-New-Zealand-from-Vancouver

Flights will run 12 December to end of March.

mezzanine
Feb 27, 2019, 3:15 PM
AC’s press release for YVR-AKL

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-02-27-Kia-Ora-Air-Canada-to-Launch-Seasonal-Flights-to-Auckland-New-Zealand-from-Vancouver

Flights will run 12 December to end of March.

Interesting that AC and NZ also announced their new joint venture. I suspect this flight won't be seasonal..

thenoflyzone
Feb 27, 2019, 4:41 PM
Interesting that AC and NZ also announced their new joint venture. I suspect this flight won't be seasonal..

Pending JV. I have my doubts about it getting approved, as AC and NZ would have a monopoly. As for the seasonal bit, right now it has to be, as they have no spare B787s for summertime ops to AKL.

Special introductory fares start as low as $1,387 CDN round-trip, all in

Need I say more. Pretty expensive intro fare, if you ask me.

Compared to intro fares of 600$ on YUL-GRU and YYZ-UIO.

Johnny Aussie
Feb 27, 2019, 7:44 PM
Interesting that AC and NZ also announced their new joint venture. I suspect this flight won't be seasonal..

Well... based on what happened with MEL they flipped it to year-round fairly quickly.

AKL is the 17th AC mainline long-haul route from YVR

Johnny Aussie
Feb 28, 2019, 6:54 AM
YVR's March construction update.

http://www.yvr.ca/en/blog/2018/change-is-in-the-air-at-yvr-march-construction-update

Johnny Aussie
Feb 28, 2019, 7:41 AM
Auckland Airport’s press release about the new Air Canada service.

Always keen to see how the other end of a new service reports it.

https://corporate.aucklandairport.co.nz/news/latest-media/2019/auckland-airport-welcomes-new-seasonal-air-canada-service

zahav
Mar 1, 2019, 9:06 AM
I hate to sound like a spoiled brat, but I am 100% jealous of YYZ and YUL. I appreciate that AC is growing its hub here and new additions are always welcome. But almost all the recent additions have been routes that *Alliance carriers already served (Taipei, Auckland, Frankfurt, Zurich) or that other airlines already served (Paris). Getting DEL, MEL, and BNE a few years ago was great but since then all additions have just been piggybacking on existing routes. We really need some new destinations and I'm worried we're not going to see them. I won't repeat the wish list yet again, but we need some new blood lol

trofirhen
Mar 1, 2019, 10:19 PM
I hate to sound like a spoiled brat, but I am 100% jealous of YYZ and YUL. I appreciate that AC is growing its hub here and new additions are always welcome. But almost all the recent additions have been routes that *Alliance carriers already served (Taipei, Auckland, Frankfurt, Zurich) or that other airlines already served (Paris). Getting DEL, MEL, and BNE a few years ago was great but since then all additions have just been piggybacking on existing routes. We really need some new destinations and I'm worried we're not going to see them. I won't repeat the wish list yet again, but we need some new blood lol

I'd like to say I hold your view more or less exactly. AC bumped YVR's destination bank up, then it levelled off. Additionally, the feds are capping bilaterals.
As an example, TK very much wants to come to YVR, but the government has capped their daily flights so that only YYZ and YUL have them.
While it's true that Montreal and Toronto (YYZ especially) represent much larger markets, the government seems, somehow, to want to keep Vancouver's wings clipped (no pun intended) so that people have to change at YYZ/YUL.