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connect2source
May 23, 2019, 9:41 AM
Photos of the Pier D extension after landing on AC 841 from Frankfurt yesterday. Glass being installed on the eastern portion.

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zahav
May 25, 2019, 9:07 PM
This might boost numbers for YVR-DEL, but not sure what is driving this extended suspension (I heard either aircraft deployment issues or airspace restricitons):

Air Canada suspends Toronto – Delhi in June/July 2019
By Jim Liu
Posted23 May 2019 08:00
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Air Canada in recent schedule update filed service changes for Toronto – Delhi route, as the airline temporary suspends this service from 15JUN19 to 31JUL19 (YYZ departure). This route is currently operated by Boeing 787-9 aircraft on daily basis.

AC042 YYZ2210 – 2135+1DEL 789 D
AC043 DEL0040 – 0735YYZ 789 D

The Star Alliance carrier will continue to operate Vancouver – Delhi route during this period.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/284493/air-canada-suspends-toronto-delhi-in-junejuly-2019/

SpongeG
May 27, 2019, 8:35 AM
Used gate 62 saturday landing on JAL from Tokyo

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47938063586_e3cac6a195_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2g387aG)2019-05-26_01-45-29 (https://flic.kr/p/2g387aG) by snub_you (https://www.flickr.com/photos/spongeg/), on Flickr

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They really need to rehaul the International arrivals pickup area outside, its an awful mess, no space to get past people with carts, vehicles having to circle around as there are no spaces to do a quick pickup. The rain makes it even more miserable. They should put a single closed off lane for Domestic pickups so they don't bother the international pickups.

Rogie
May 27, 2019, 1:42 PM
Used gate 62 saturday landing on JAL from Tokyo

They really need to rehaul the International arrivals pickup area outside, its an awful mess, no space to get past people with carts, vehicles having to circle around as there are no spaces to do a quick pickup. The rain makes it even more miserable. They should put a single closed off lane for Domestic pickups so they don't bother the international pickups.

I would say the whole pickup process (international and domestic) needs and overhaul. I few years back, I had to pick up my mom in a wheelchair, and it was a nightmare.

But at the last Annual Public Meeting, Craig Richmond was asked about it, and he had little to offer other than making sure there was appropriate staff to keep the cars moving.

nname
May 27, 2019, 7:36 PM
This might boost numbers for YVR-DEL, but not sure what is driving this extended suspension (I heard either aircraft deployment issues or airspace restricitons):

Air Canada suspends Toronto – Delhi in June/July 2019
By Jim Liu
Posted23 May 2019 08:00
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Air Canada in recent schedule update filed service changes for Toronto – Delhi route, as the airline temporary suspends this service from 15JUN19 to 31JUL19 (YYZ departure). This route is currently operated by Boeing 787-9 aircraft on daily basis.

AC042 YYZ2210 – 2135+1DEL 789 D
AC043 DEL0040 – 0735YYZ 789 D

The Star Alliance carrier will continue to operate Vancouver – Delhi route during this period.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/284493/air-canada-suspends-toronto-delhi-in-junejuly-2019/

As I mentioned in another thread, this suspension had just been extended till the end of August. The application to wet lease Omni plane for YVR-Hawaii also extends till early September.

Seems like AC will start to remove MAX from August schedule pretty soon...

SpongeG
May 28, 2019, 1:11 AM
I would say the whole pickup process (international and domestic) needs and overhaul. I few years back, I had to pick up my mom in a wheelchair, and it was a nightmare.

But at the last Annual Public Meeting, Craig Richmond was asked about it, and he had little to offer other than making sure there was appropriate staff to keep the cars moving.

Yeah, also the arrivals hall is nice to look at but not functional. They need more than one escalator and a set of stairs. When I landed another flight had landed from China, plus the US arrivals, so you have a few hundred people getting bunched up trying to use a single escalator with some guy going keep moving, the other escalator was off. They could use at least 4 in the down direction, they don't need any in the up direction there. It was like being herded like cattle onto a small escalator that is just backing up causing people on the other escalator having nowhere to go getting bunched up having to manipulate themselves off or just trying to walk backwards on an escalator., its kind of a joke really.

dharper
May 28, 2019, 1:13 AM
[QUOTE=SpongeG;



They really need to rehaul the International arrivals pickup area outside, its an awful mess, no space to get past people with carts, vehicles having to circle around as there are no spaces to do a quick pickup. The rain makes it even more miserable. They should put a single closed off lane for Domestic pickups so they don't bother the international pickups.[/QUOTE]

They need to give tickets or something. The area is for IMMEDIATE pickup, but the area is always full of cars parked,"Only for a couple of minutes". I have given up on the area, and now always pickup at the same spot I was dropped off at departures level. Works much better as there is 2 drop off lanes there.

SpongeG
May 28, 2019, 1:21 AM
Yea, the one side that could be used for pickups as well but that is where the valet cars are parked which is really stupid use of space. I don't know how they win so many awards with so many obvious flaws and issues.

Narita is so functional and well thought out. They have 4 levels, the domestic has its own level for departures, than an international level than the 4th level is shopping and restaurants and 2 outdoor viewing areas, and there must be about 6 sets of escalators to get up and down to that shopping area after you have checked in.

The arrivals area moved fast, and then outdoors there was adequate room for people with huge wide sidewalks and waiting areas, smoking rooms, bus areas, taxi areas, and private car areas all separated and no chaos. And then underground level for trains which was crowded but the lineups do not disrupt the flow of people coming and going. And multiple escalators to get from one level to another.

VancouverOfTheFuture
May 28, 2019, 3:44 AM
that expansion seems to be coming along really fast. wow.

Hourglass
May 28, 2019, 3:49 AM
They need to give tickets or something. The area is for IMMEDIATE pickup, but the area is always full of cars parked,"Only for a couple of minutes". I have given up on the area, and now always pickup at the same spot I was dropped off at departures level. Works much better as there is 2 drop off lanes there.

Yeah, my mom has a bit of trouble walking since she fractured her hip. She hates going through that area as there are always people blocking the way with their luggage and carts. It just isn't built to handle that amount of traffic. And it's exacerbated by the fact that the crosswalk is ahead of the pick-up area.

Ideally, they could separate the taxi, family pick-up and valet out into different areas. But given the limited space, I'm not sure that's possible.

Klazu
May 28, 2019, 4:37 AM
I have given up on the area, and now always pickup at the same spot I was dropped off at departures level. Works much better as there is 2 drop off lanes there.

I always pick up my guests from the departure level. Much quicker and congestion free vs. the gong show on arrivals level.

s211
May 28, 2019, 2:34 PM
I always pick up my guests from the departure level. Much quicker and congestion free vs. the gong show on arrivals level.

Yup, or just park and take one's time. I never ever use the arrivals area. :shrug:

Black Box
May 28, 2019, 3:43 PM
I'm not sure if this is a joke? Pretty uninformed, just like most Americans.

Anti-Vancouver sentiment in the rest of Canada.

SpongeG
May 29, 2019, 5:35 AM
When I was at Narita, the airport was plastered with Posters for its Seattle Service. They are really promoting that route there.

I also saw the ANA Turtle while taxing sitting on the tarmac.

https://images.thewest.com.au/publication/B881050399Z/1544746401100_GVE1VP6UA.1-2.jpg?imwidth=810&impolicy=wan_v3
thewest.com.au

Speaking of taxing, from the time we left the terminal gate to actually taking off was a good 45 minutes, almost an hour from boarding time. It just kept going and going, was well into a movie by the time we took off.

zahav
May 30, 2019, 7:16 AM
I think Seattle is really trying to make those routes work, and that marketing push you saw is part of it. But I think they have lost more routes than us, even if they got a lot of new ones, some cancelled after not long. I know Delta axed a few, and I think a couple others too. This was just posted the other day:

Xiamen Airlines closes Seattle reservations from late-September 2019
By Jim Liu
Posted27 May 2019 07:30
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Xiamen Airlines in recent schedule filed service changes for Xiamen – Shenzhen – Seattle service, as the schedule listed until 25SEP19. Reservation for travel on/after 27OCT19 is also closed. The Skyteam member currently operates this route 3 times a week.

MF845 XMN0920 – 1045SZX1245 – 1015SEA 788 135
MF846 SEA1245 – 1800+1SZX2025+1 – 2135+1XMN 788 135

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/284544/xiamen-airlines-closes-seattle-reservations-from-late-september-2019/

This route was a stretch anyways for an airport like Seatac, but still, the pullout has to do with performance and not aircraft limitations. I don't think YVR has lost any of its Asian carriers since SQ in 2009 (and hopefully won't)

**Edit, also Oasis Hong Kong was also one, but the company went under, so dropping routes was what they did

moosejaw
May 30, 2019, 3:03 PM
I'm not sure if this is a joke? Pretty uninformed, just like most Americans.

Pretty stereotypical Canadian comment. You only hear about uniformed Americans through the media but it doesn't mean they make up most of the country. How many uniformed Canadians are out there? Im pretty sure they exist/. Do they define Canada. Probably not. But I am put off by your statement.

nname
May 30, 2019, 4:35 PM
Xiamen Airlines closes Seattle reservations from late-September 2019


SZX provides subsidy for up to 3 years, and the route was started in Sept 2016...

LeftCoaster
May 31, 2019, 11:02 PM
China Eastern reversing their plans to put the A350 on PVG-YVR. Going back to an all A332 operation.

Cuts to Asia are massive this summer, I'm showing a 6.6% drop in seats at peak times. My charts are pretty basic but either way the capacity drop is huge. Given the continued booming economy and population growth in Vancouver I find this very puzzling.

twoNeurons
May 31, 2019, 11:10 PM
China Eastern reversing their plans to put the A350 on PVG-YVR. Going back to an all A332 operation.

Cuts to Asia are massive this summer, I'm showing a 6.6% drop in seats at peak times. My charts are pretty basic but either way the capacity drop is huge. Given the continued booming economy and population growth in Vancouver I find this very puzzling.

I think there's been a lot of people who have been scared off by both the Chinese government crackdowns on money leaving the country, the trade war (indirectly affecting Canada as well as tourism.... Huawei), and the local real estate slowdown.

Also, it was on 100% overdrive for a while, so it's natural that they probably overextended themselves. The A350 was likely seen as a differentiator for higher paying fares, but with fewer pax in J, Y pax are mostly driven by lower prices.

giallo
May 31, 2019, 11:46 PM
Canada and the US are in the news quite a bit these days in China, and it's not positive, so I imagine a lot of potential tourists are opting not to travel to either country. Remember, China matched Canada's consular warning about traveling to China.

Metro-One
Jun 1, 2019, 12:48 AM
Canada and the US are in the news quite a bit these days in China, and it's not positive, so I imagine a lot of potential tourists are opting not to travel to either country. Remember, China matched Canada's consular warning about traveling to China.

Haha, what a joke. Yes, the Canadian government is just arresting random Chinese people in retaliation... or maybe they just think that is what governments do simply because they do that?

Give Poo Bear a big hug for me! (As soon as a character such as Winnie the Pooh is banned due to a leader’s insecurities, you know that your government is in trouble)

giallo
Jun 1, 2019, 3:19 AM
I've moved out of the country permanently, so I won't be able to embrace the bear.
I've never fallen out of love with a city so quickly as I have with SH - and it's not even its fault really. It's all Beijing.

Metro-One
Jun 1, 2019, 3:45 AM
Yeah, it really is a shame. For the record I had great admiration for China no less than 10 years ago and was really hopeful for its future. Also have great respect for the culture past and present, but the current political direction over the last few years is poison and the credit system makes 1984 look tame.

Also had a cousin and a friend who were living in China / planned to make their lives in China completely reverse plans the last couple years. One is back in Canada and is thinking of coming here to Japan or Korea and the other moved to Taiwan.

Have to say it also says a lot where gay marriage has been legalized in Taiwan while the mainland Chinese government censors gay relationships from films...

The same way we can criticize the politics and other aspects of the US without hating the nation or being racist we can (and should) do the same with China.

Migrant_Coconut
Jun 1, 2019, 5:24 AM
Don't forget how they want international waters and neighbouring islands all for themselves... or how activists and celebrities keep disappearing... or the ethnic cleansing in Tibet and Xinjiang...

Whatever you think of the culture and people (or just bits and pieces of it), we can all agree that the CCP as we know it needs to go. Deng is probably rolling in his grave.

giallo
Jun 1, 2019, 8:11 AM
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casper
Jun 2, 2019, 8:17 AM
China Eastern reversing their plans to put the A350 on PVG-YVR. Going back to an all A332 operation.

Cuts to Asia are massive this summer, I'm showing a 6.6% drop in seats at peak times. My charts are pretty basic but either way the capacity drop is huge. Given the continued booming economy and population growth in Vancouver I find this very puzzling.

In addition to all the factors associated with China itself.....

The other factor is also Air Canada with increased service to India and Australia. The airlines in China were desperate to fill seats so they were also chasing after connecting traffic to India and Australia. There are now better non-stop options.

Gordon
Jun 2, 2019, 5:45 PM
How many Asian flights have we lost or are we just seeing seeing smaller planes being used? There seems to be the same number of red eye Asian departures.

Yvr has started to build a proper Remote Stand facility for gate E85 on level 2 they are adding elevators & escalators. The facility will be ready in march 2020(curtesy yvr.ca blog)

nname
Jun 2, 2019, 6:29 PM
How many Asian flights have we lost or are we just seeing seeing smaller planes being used? There seems to be the same number of red eye Asian departures.

Yvr has started to build a proper Remote Stand facility for gate E85 on level 2 they are adding elevators & escalators. The facility will be ready in march 2020(curtesy yvr.ca blog)

Peak service:

Loss
4x NGO (AC)
1x TPE (AC)
1x MNL (PR)

Gain
3x DEL (AC)
1x MEL (AC)

I think that's it...? All others changes are from using smaller planes.

As for remote stands... I'm not sure if they're even needed this year, due to loss of some flights and many airlines are now moving flights away from the peak time to before 10am or after 2pm (AC, PR, CZ for example). On the other hand, there are quite a number of gains for the midnight departure that there may not be enough gates for all the planes to park overnight...

Gordon
Jun 2, 2019, 10:36 PM
I just looked at Ac's website they still have a nonstop to TPE departing @11:AM

Johnny Aussie
Jun 2, 2019, 10:40 PM
Canada and the US are in the news quite a bit these days in China, and it's not positive, so I imagine a lot of potential tourists are opting not to travel to either country. Remember, China matched Canada's consular warning about traveling to China.

And Australia too... they have pulled 5 routes already and about to pull 2 more out of SYD. Probably too much capacity added in certain markets and now realising that. I’m wondering how much longer HK airlines will be flying at all. They’ve already exited Australia too.

nname
Jun 3, 2019, 2:23 AM
I just looked at Ac's website they still have a nonstop to TPE departing @11:AM

TPE reduced from daily to 6x weekly
KIX reduced from 6x weekly to 5x weekly
NGO reduced from 4x weekly to nothing
3x weekly CAN-YVR-MEX moved to midnight departure or earlier at 9am
4x weekly MNL-YVR-JFK removed, replaced by midnight departure MNL-YVR
Second daily AC departure to LHR also moved further into the evening

The additional flight to DEL and MEL are all midnight departures. Only the extra 2x weekly flights taking up the noon slot.

I believe all the trans-border and Mexican additions this year are all outside of noon hours too?

SpongeG
Jun 3, 2019, 3:47 AM
where is NGO?

Johnny Aussie
Jun 3, 2019, 3:59 AM
where is NGO?

As he states... NGO is gonzo!

zahav
Jun 4, 2019, 3:48 AM
Were NYC in and outbound pax on the PR flights to MNL counted as YVR pax at all? Ie. not people booking the YVR-JFK leg, but the ones booke JFK-MNL and just happened the plane stopped here. I believe they didn't have to clear customs or anything here, so would they have added to the traffic totals? Same when we the YYZ flight here. So 7 entirely dedicated 777s might not be that much of a loss in traffic.

What other airlines downgauged aircraft? I don't count MU since they operated the A330s last year, so the downgauge from an A350 was only from a proposed increase, not from last years actuals. And JAL's 767 is 199 seats, compared to 186 or 206 on the 787-8 so it's not really a downgauge. All other routes seem to be operating the same aircraft as last year, aren't they? Definitely not 100% sure on any other airlines, but I can't think of any others with downgauges?

SpongeG
Jun 4, 2019, 8:08 PM
a rare sight at YVR, Ethiopian Airlines

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retro_orange
Jun 4, 2019, 8:31 PM
Sympathy for purchasing plane tickets from someone knowing full well they are fraudulently utilizing an employee discount through an unregulated chat app? Genius.

She found a seller with the user name "CaptainCooll" who claimed to have access to "Air Canada employee discount" tickets.She knew exactly what she was doing. Being an adult means you understand the implications of your actions.

Air Canada imposes 'no fly' ban, demands $18K from woman after ticket scam


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© Eric Rankin, CBC Ann Qian, 25, is fighting Air Canada's decision to ban her from its flights until she pays up.

A woman who says she unknowingly bought fraudulently obtained airline tickets online claims she's being treated like a criminal by Air Canada.

Canada's biggest air carrier is demanding Ann Qian repay over $18,600 for return flights between Toronto, Vancouver and Shanghai — and has banned her from flying its routes until she pays up.

Qian, 25, says like thousands of Canadians, she was simply buying online. And she calls Air Canada's demands "bullying."

"They say I'm a liar, but they just don't want to know the details. They just [want] me to pay the money."

Qian's lawyer and an air passenger rights advocate say Air Canada doesn't have the right to put her on its "no fly" list or demand she pay for tickets she purchased in good faith.

But the airline says buying tickets online from an unverified seller is akin to buying a TV in a bar.

Air Canada has rejected mediation, and the dispute will be decided in arbitration before the Canadian Transportation Agency.

Qian came from Shanghai two years ago to train as a pastry chef at a college in Scarborough, Ont.

She turned to WeChat — a Chinese messaging and social media app — to find cheap flights to visit her sister in Vancouver and her parents in China.
She found a seller with the user name "CaptainCooll" who claimed to have access to "Air Canada employee discount" tickets.

Screen captures provided to CBC News show an ad promising a "hot sale" of up to 50 per cent off.

She became a repeat customer after flying three times with Air Canada over almost a year and a half without an issue.

Qian says she paid "CaptainCooll" $5,800 for the flights, which included "deals" on business class seats.

'Shocked, stressed' by ban

But in November, when Qian went to Toronto's Pearson airport to catch her fourth flight, she was denied boarding and told she was on Air Canada's "no fly" list.

"I'm so shocked why I'm on that list … so worried," she recalls. "It makes me very stressed."

She was out-of-pocket for that Vancouver return trip — and for a pre-booked fifth flight to Shanghai — another $3,600.

When Qian confronted "CaptainCooll" online and demanded her money back, he blocked her and then disappeared.

Qian says she contacted Toronto police in April in a bid to find the fraudster.

Air Canada demands $18,683.66

Despite Qian's personal losses, Air Canada insists she owes $18,683.66 for the fraudulent flights she took — and that it failed to detect.

In a Nov. 29 letter, the airline demanded full payment in 45 days.

That was almost double the total of $9,400 Qian had paid the fraudster.

She was unable to pay Air Canada and says she has no idea how much the airline now wants, given the deadline has passed.

'Hazard to property' cited

The November letter also cited Qian for "prohibited conduct" under the airline's tariff rule that covers "any unusual hazard or risk … to property."

"If someone was threatening to beat up the pilot or if someone was smoking in the lavatory, those are grounds for refusing to transport a passenger," says Lukacs. "But an airline cannot refuse to transport someone … just because they have a [financial] dispute with a person."

A friend helped Qian hire Richmond, B.C., lawyer Kailin Che.

"It's unjustified. It's unreasonable," says Che. "There's not grounds for their actions … Air Canada shouldn't be going after the innocent consumer."

Che also wonders why Air Canada didn't flag the problem sooner, calling the delay "baffling."

Buying a TV in a bar

But the airline refuses to back down.

In an April 8 email, Air Canada's legal representative rejected Qian's request to lift the travel ban, chastising her for purchasing from a seller who claimed he was an accredited travel agent "without a modicum of verification. With due respect, this is akin to buying a television set in a bar."

Contacted by CBC News, an Air Canada spokesperson refused to comment on the case, but suggested customers protect themselves by buying tickets directly from the airline's website, call centre or through an official travel agent.

Qian says Air Canada's demand for repayment makes her feel victimized twice.

"I think and feel as if life is no hope. You just stay home. I don't know how to figure it out. And start crying a lot," she says.

"I do not trust anyone now."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/air-canada-imposes-no-fly-ban-demands-18k-from-woman-after-ticket-scam-1.5158335

whatnext
Jun 4, 2019, 8:54 PM
WeChat should be banned in Canada, its a CPC tool.

moosejaw
Jun 4, 2019, 9:09 PM
Without requoting the above post regarding Capt Cooll the Air Canada ticket reseller
I don't think Air Canada can request that she pay the $18,000 back.

If they truly believed that they were within their rights to ask that of her then they would have sued her.

Now i believe they are within their rights to deny her boarding. They can turn away anyone they feel like. I dont think its their problem if she bought tickets through a unautorized vendor scamming the company

CivicBlues
Jun 4, 2019, 9:17 PM
WeChat should be banned in Canada, its a CPC tool.

You're a CPC (https://www.conservative.ca/) tool.

Luckily we don't live in Communist China where consumer products are routinely banned for political reasons (i.e. Google)

Max.
Jun 5, 2019, 3:46 AM
WeChat should be banned in Canada, its a CPC tool.

haha, blame everything on CPC and brainwashed Chinese. You life will be getting better

SpongeG
Jun 5, 2019, 4:13 AM
Beam Me Up!
June 4, 2019 · Emily Barrieau

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/blog/2019/_20w4885.jpg?h=419&w=600&la=en&hash=E274EF814695910E7D29258579BFEAAC789342EB

Today YVR celebrated a major milestone with a steel topping ceremony for the expansion of the airport’s International Terminal Building, known as Pier D. The ceremony marked the completion of the structural phase of the building, which remains on schedule to open in 2020.

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/blog/2019/_93q4918.jpg?h=407&w=600&la=en&hash=F42DC7A089CF760EFC024518756AF37162C54FF0

The expansion will continue with YVR’s well-known sense of place. Passengers will experience the beauty of B.C. with a glassed-in nature feature made up of three western hemlock (tsuga heterophylla) trees and will include a range of new amenities such as a digital experience, a next-generation pet relief area, energy-saving devices, new food and beverage options and much more.

Once complete, the expanded terminal will include an additional eight wide body gates, including four bridged gates and four remote stand operation (RSO) gates. The added gates will enable the airport to support large aircraft including the A380 which has a wingspan of 260 feet. This expansion will help YVR meet growing passenger demand, having welcomed a record 25.9 million passengers in 2018, better connecting British Columbians and local businesses to the world, while improving the airport experience.

The Pier D expansion incorporates approximately 9,000 steel members, weighing over 4.5 million kilograms.

...

http://www.yvr.ca/en/blog/2019/beam-me-up?fbclid=IwAR2Nc8zVZCVj2uD_WAUWKuQT5HlPjWFKdLQQ85IvQnpq8f4cfSOo6j3x0R8

Waders
Jun 5, 2019, 5:12 AM
A380?
There might not have a lot of them flying around in 10 years time.
Source (https://simpleflying.com/emirates-a380-retirement/)

SFUVancouver
Jun 5, 2019, 5:01 PM
A380?
There might not have a lot of them flying around in 10 years time.
Source (https://simpleflying.com/emirates-a380-retirement/)

Doesn't hurt to still ensure that the terminal has gates that can accommodate the aircraft. Larger holding areas will continue to have utility even when the second level jet bridges aren't in use, particularly when the 777X pushes pax numbers to nearly A380 levels.

trofirhen
Jun 5, 2019, 11:08 PM
Doesn't hurt to still ensure that the terminal has gates that can accommodate the aircraft. Larger holding areas will continue to have utility even when the second level jet bridges aren't in use, particularly when the 777X pushes pax numbers to nearly A380 levels.
Naïve question, I will admit, but do you know of any airlines / routes / in the future, that might use the 777X to YVR? British Airways, possibly. // Others?

SFUVancouver
Jun 5, 2019, 11:19 PM
Naïve question, I will admit, but do you know of any airlines / routes / in the future, that might use the 777X to YVR? British Airways, possibly. // Others?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777X#Orders

From that list, currently ANA, BA, Cathay Pacific, and Lufthansa all fly to YVR, so we may potentially see 777Xs from any or all of them. Perhaps Emirates, too, longer term, should they begin service to YVR.

trofirhen
Jun 5, 2019, 11:40 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777X#Orders

From that list, currently ANA, BA, Cathay Pacific, and Lufthansa all fly to YVR, so we may potentially see 777Xs from any or all of them. Perhaps Emirates, too, longer term, should they begin service to YVR.
Thank you for that informative link.
But EMIRATES? I thought they were considered toxic or forbidden for whatever reasons. ..................................................................
((( IST would be the ideal mideast destination for YVR, but thr TK asks for too much, and the government won't give more than 3x a week, and TK turned that down.))..............................................................
.... Excuse the digression, please. You mentioned Emirates. Is this just a metaphor for a given foreign airline, or are you stating that you see Emirates as a future Airline at YVR? ( I would have hoped for QATAR.:rolleyes:)
However, I see that you state it in the subjunctive, so it's a mildly possible thing.

SFUVancouver
Jun 6, 2019, 5:22 PM
YVR has published its April 2019 traffic numbers. Some highlights follow:

Domestic - APRIL 984,161 (+1.8%) | YTD 3,808,017 (+2.4%)

Transborder - APRIL 520,894 (+5.1%) | YTD 2,048,262 (+3.4%)
Asia Pacific - APRIL 373,688 (+7.2%) | YTD 1,492,596 (+5.9%)
Europe - APRIL 97,704 (+3.2%) | YTD 328,683 (+0.4%)
Misc. - APRIL 100,671 (+3.4%) | YTD 434,438 (+1.8%)

Total International - APRIL 1,092,957 (+5.4%) | YTD 4,303,979 (+3.9%)

TOTAL (ALL SECTORS) - APRIL 2,077,118 (+3.7%) | YTD 8,111,996 (+3.2%)

Air Cargo - APRIL 24,536 (-4.8%) | YTD 94,818 (-3.1%)
Runway movements (JETS) - APRIL 12,975 (+8.1%) | YTD 38,684 (-19.4%)
Runway movements (TURBO-PROP) - APRIL 9,391 (-1.1%) | YTD 25,895 (-30.9%)
Runway movements (ALL) - APRIL 22,914 (-0.9%) | YTD 68,485 (-25.5%)

Source (http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/facts-sheets/2019/04-april/traffic-update-april-2019.pdf?la=en)

Something seems off with the runway movement numbers.

SpongeG
Jun 8, 2019, 4:24 AM
at 8:19 you can see them transporting a bus

https://youtu.be/oDc-5jm1hXo?t=499

followed by an Omni Air International plane

Johnny Aussie
Jun 9, 2019, 12:24 AM
YVR has published its April 2019 traffic numbers. Some highlights follow:

Domestic - APRIL 984,161 (+1.8%) | YTD 3,808,017 (+2.4%)

Transborder - APRIL 520,894 (+5.1%) | YTD 2,048,262 (+3.4%)
Asia Pacific - APRIL 373,688 (+7.2%) | YTD 1,492,596 (+5.9%)
Europe - APRIL 97,704 (+3.2%) | YTD 328,683 (+0.4%)
Misc. - APRIL 100,671 (+3.4%) | YTD 434,438 (+1.8%)

Total International - APRIL 1,092,957 (+5.4%) | YTD 4,303,979 (+3.9%)

TOTAL (ALL SECTORS) - APRIL 2,077,118 (+3.7%) | YTD 8,111,996 (+3.2%)

Not a bad result at all.

I was curious how SEA would fare in April considering these all launched on 1 April:

JL SEA-NRT
CX SEA-HKG
DL SEA-KIX

April 2018 comparison:

SEA intl increased 5.1%. That's an increase of 22,527 pax.
YVR intl increased 5.4%. That's up over 56,000 intl pax. YVR's increase is almost 2.5x SEA's.

YTD comparison:

SEA has increased only 19,000 intl pax up about 1.2%
YVR has increased 160,000 intl pax up 3.4%

Later this year SEA gains SQ but loses Xiamen. Also AC has cut YYC and DL is cutting YYJ.

The gap continues to widen.....

:runaway:

whatnext
Jun 11, 2019, 1:46 AM
Anyone know why the NW corner of the MacArthur Glen parking lots is fenced off and dug up? Not that it was well used anyway.

trofirhen
Jun 11, 2019, 2:29 AM
YVR has published its April 2019 traffic numbers. Some highlights follow:

TOTAL (ALL SECTORS) - APRIL 2,077,118 (+3.7%) | YTD 8,111,996 (+3.2%)

Air Cargo - APRIL 24,536 (-4.8%) | YTD 94,818 (-3.1%)
Runway movements (JETS) - APRIL 12,975 (+8.1%) | YTD 38,684 (-19.4%)
Runway movements (TURBO-PROP) - APRIL 9,391 (-1.1%) | YTD 25,895 (-30.9%)
Runway movements (ALL) - APRIL 22,914 (-0.9%) | YTD 68,485 (-25.5%)

Source (http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/facts-sheets/2019/04-april/traffic-update-april-2019.pdf?la=en)
Something seems off with the runway movement numbers.


Could this have anything to do with the extensive grounding of the Boeing 738 MAX? For example, I read that several normal daily flights to Hawaiian destinations are
being squeezed into one widebody, to take up the slack. Maybe I'm totally off. If so, excuse me please.

Gordon
Jun 11, 2019, 4:02 AM
If Air Canada's purchase of Air Transat goes through will Tansat likely become part of mainline or Rouge

Today two remote stands were in use D57 Air France and E85 was also in use.

connect2source
Jun 11, 2019, 4:00 PM
If Air Canada's purchase of Air Transat goes through will Tansat likely become part of mainline or Rouge

Today two remote stands were in use D57 Air France and E85 was also in use.

My guess is that things have likely changed since the MAX groundings

Before I would have guessed the majority of the Transat fleet would have gone to Rouge with the 330s replacing some of the 767s but now AC needs mainline narrowbody lift and those brand new A321neos would be ideal for some of the MAX long and thin, suspended routes, such as YHZ-LHR.

nname
Jun 12, 2019, 4:54 PM
If Air Canada's purchase of Air Transat goes through will Tansat likely become part of mainline or Rouge

Today two remote stands were in use D57 Air France and E85 was also in use.

So I guess YVR is rotating the remote stand through all the airlines?

2017 it was MU, CZ for international and UA for transborder
2018 it was JL, CZ for international and DL, AC for transborder
and now it's AF for international and WS for transborder
... whose turn it will be for the second half of the summer? Sounds like AA is the only one who haven't use the remote stand in transborder yet?


Doesn't seems like remote stand is actually needed today. Gate assignment as of noon:

47 AC YUL -> YUL
48 AC YYZ -> YYZ
49 AC DEL -> YYZ
50 AC PEK -> YYZ
51 AC YYZ -> HKG
52 AC YYZ -> PEK
53 AC KIX -> KIX
54 AC FRA -> NRT
55 AC PVG -> FRA
57* AF CDG -> CDG
58 MU PVG -> PVG
62 TS -> LGW
64 KE ICN -> ICN
65 CZ CAN -> CAN
66 CA PEK -> PEK
67 AC ZRH -> CDG
70 JL NRT -> NRT
71 JD HGH -> HGH
73 AC DUB -> DUB
75 AC TPE
76 TS MAN
77 ... empty
78 UA IAH -> IAH
79 UA SFO -> SFO
80 DL MSP -> MSP
81 DL SLC -> SLC
82 UA LAC -> LAX
83 AC -> SFO
84 ... empty
85* WS SFO
86 AA DFW -> ORD
87 AC SFO -> PHX
88 AC LAX -> ANC
90 AA LAX -> LAX
91 ... empty
92 ... empty
93 ... empty
94 AC PDX -> PDX
95 AC SEA -> SEA
96 AS PDX -> PDX

One unassigned SEA flight for DL, will probably take gate 91.

Cage
Jun 12, 2019, 9:45 PM
My guess is that things have likely changed since the MAX groundings

Before I would have guessed the majority of the Transat fleet would have gone to Rouge with the 330s replacing some of the 767s but now AC needs mainline narrowbody lift and those brand new A321neos would be ideal for some of the MAX long and thin, suspended routes, such as YHZ-LHR.

Good analysis. I wouild add that a TS AC merger would likely have the 310s out of the fleet immediately and well before any adjustments to the 767s are contemplated. 321neos will likely go rouge, but I would also like to see a mainline 321neo operation.

Hourglass
Jun 14, 2019, 10:03 AM
Interesting post from airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1423701&p=21433173&hilit=yvr#p21433173).

Someone is claiming Canada has offered Turkish Airlines 2 slots per week for YVR-IST. Don't know if TK will accept it.

TK’s request for additional slots at Toronto and Montreal were apparently declined.

trofirhen
Jun 14, 2019, 1:44 PM
Interesting post from airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1423701&p=21433173&hilit=yvr#p21433173).

Someone is claiming Canada has offered Turkish Airlines 2 slots per week for YVR-IST. Don't know if TK will accept it.

TK’s request for additional slots at Toronto and Montreal were apparently declined.
Half a loaf is better than none. As I understand, even YUL only has 2 flights a week, YYZ 5. If TK had the common sense to do it, they'd take the 2 YVR slots offered, and renegotiate later.

thenoflyzone
Jun 14, 2019, 7:24 PM
Half a loaf is better than none. As I understand, even YUL only has 2 flights a week, YYZ 5. If TK had the common sense to do it, they'd take the 2 YVR slots offered, and renegotiate later.

YYZ is 6x weekly. YUL is 3x weekly at the moment.

LeftCoaster
Jun 14, 2019, 10:26 PM
Interesting post from airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1423701&p=21433173&hilit=yvr#p21433173).

Someone is claiming Canada has offered Turkish Airlines 2 slots per week for YVR-IST. Don't know if TK will accept it.

TK’s request for additional slots at Toronto and Montreal were apparently declined.

I'll believe it when I see the wheel touch down on the runway, other than that it's just more of the same.

LeftCoaster
Jun 14, 2019, 10:28 PM
Peak service:

Loss
4x NGO (AC)
1x TPE (AC)
1x MNL (PR)

Gain
3x DEL (AC)
1x MEL (AC)

I think that's it...? All others changes are from using smaller planes.

As for remote stands... I'm not sure if they're even needed this year, due to loss of some flights and many airlines are now moving flights away from the peak time to before 10am or after 2pm (AC, PR, CZ for example). On the other hand, there are quite a number of gains for the midnight departure that there may not be enough gates for all the planes to park overnight...

This is my chart with red showing routes with capacity cuts and green showing capacity gains from summer 2018:

https://imgur.com/JQBPuGv.jpg

Driving the losses are Beijing, Shanghai and Nagoya on Air Canada, Sydney on Qantas and Manila on Philippines.

The larger gains are Delhi on AC, Taipei on China Airlines and Hong Kong on Hong Kong Airlines.

thenoflyzone
Jun 14, 2019, 11:05 PM
Interesting post from airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1423701&p=21433173&hilit=yvr#p21433173).

Someone is claiming Canada has offered Turkish Airlines 2 slots per week for YVR-IST. Don't know if TK will accept it.

TK’s request for additional slots at Toronto and Montreal were apparently declined.

Something doesn't add up.

It doesn't sound like Canada to enforce a location (YVR) where TK can use these supposed extra 2x weekly frequencies.

Canada's latest increases with countries like the U.A.E, Qatar, Jordan, Algeria or Egypt have included frequency increases to any points in Canada.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/canada-expands-air-transport-agreements-with-egypt-and-the-united-arab-emirates-689357261.html

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/canadians-to-benefit-from-new-and-expanded-air-transport-agreements-805665859.html

Why would it be different with Turkey all of a sudden?

Going by the assumption that the Canadian government gave them 2 weekly frequencies, and by the fact that he's saying TK's slot requests at YYZ and YUL were denied, this leads me to believe that TK wanted to use those frequencies at YYZ and YUL, and it has more to do with the GTAA or ADM denying the slots TK requested, as both airports are congested at peak times.

It is unlikely the Canadian government told TK that they have to use those 2 frequencies at YVR and not YYZ/YUL.

I asked the guy on airliners to elaborate. He hasn't done so yet.

Hourglass
Jun 14, 2019, 11:12 PM
Yep, hence my use of the word “claim.” ;)

@leftcoaster - love the updated chart. Who is doing the MEA flights? Didn’t see an airline or destination.

trofirhen
Jun 14, 2019, 11:22 PM
YYZ is 6x weekly. YUL is 3x weekly at the moment.
Please excuse my error.
6 for YYZ, 3 for YUL, and 2 offered for YVR seems coherent with city size / market size. At one time I believe YUL only had 2 week. Maybe, as YVR market grows, Vancouver grows, there'll be a bump in frequency. Anyway, IMHO it's still a foot in the door for TK, and they're too proud or too dumb if they don't run with it, however modest the offering.

nname
Jun 14, 2019, 11:25 PM
This is my chart with red showing routes with capacity cuts and green showing capacity gains from summer 2018:

Driving the losses are Beijing, Shanghai and Nagoya on Air Canada, Sydney on Qantas and Manila on Philippines.

The larger gains are Delhi on AC, Taipei on China Airlines and Hong Kong on Hong Kong Airlines.

CI had been flying only 7x weekly for years now. They used to fly 11x weekly for 2 months every year solely to prevent BR from taking them to add service to YVR and YYZ.

Please excuse my error.
6 for YYZ, 3 for YUL, and 2 offered for YVR seems coherent with city size / market size. At one time I believe YUL only had 2 week. Maybe, as YVR market grows, Vancouver grows, there'll be a bump in frequency. Anyway, IMHO it's still a foot in the door for TK, and they're too proud or too dumb if they don't run with it, however modest the offering.

Canada had offer then 3x weekly before, but they wanted daily to YVR (even though non of YYZ and YUL was daily) so the talk broke down.

This time around, Canada only offer 2x weekly... would they take it this time, or keep insisting on daily..?

thenoflyzone
Jun 15, 2019, 12:20 AM
At one time I believe YUL only had 2 week.

No. YUL was started at 3x weekly in 2014. YYZ was started at 3x weekly in 2009 and expanded to 6x weekly in 2014, the same year they launched IST-YUL.

If the Canadian govt is giving TK only 2x weekly frequencies, it would make sense for TK to expand YYZ to daily and increase YUL to 4x weekly before launching YVR.

Hence the request for slots at YYZ and YUL, which was supposedly denied. None of this is verifiable mind you, but it would make sense.

The fact TK started YUL at 3x weekly leads me to believe they want a minimum of 3x weekly frequencies to launch YVR as well.

Canada had offer then 3x weekly before

Supposedly. We don't know for sure, as it was the same guy on airliners saying it, with no verifiable source.

Denscity
Jun 15, 2019, 12:25 AM
Just read tourists from South America to YVR was up over 50%! And that's without a direct connection. Mainly through MEX I'm guessing?

nname
Jun 15, 2019, 12:36 AM
just read tourists from south america to yvr was up over 50%! And that's without a direct connection. Mainly through mex i'm guessing?

MEX, YYZ, YUL, LAX, DFW, IAH, EWR, or ATL

trofirhen
Jun 15, 2019, 1:08 AM
Canada had offer then 3x weekly before, but they wanted daily to YVR (even though non of YYZ and YUL was daily) so the talk broke down.
This time around, Canada only offer 2x weekly... would they take it this time, or keep insisting on daily..?
TK was, IMHO, rather overconfident and a bit dumb when they originally demanded 5/wk to YVR and turned down 3. Pride got in the way. Now, it'll be years before they fly here, I'll bet.

twoNeurons
Jun 16, 2019, 2:50 AM
I’d love it if TK came to YVR. More Star Alliance carriers that don’t charge carrier surcharges on point redemptions. Also their food and service is well known to be amazing and they have fantastic connections pretty much everywhere.

I’ll be flying them BUD-IST-BKK this summer and I can’t wait!