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sacrifice333
Aug 16, 2009, 2:23 AM
I guess it depends how much you think your time is worth.

Is $120 worth 2.5 hours of a drive and dealing with American customs / security more than once? No :P


Thankfully we a) normally save much more than that and b) start a vacation a day early with a little Seattle/Bellevue action!

SpongeG
Aug 17, 2009, 1:54 AM
flying out of bellingham is great - cheaper parking - easy to get across and too - like 15 mins from the border - however close you live to the border...

when I felw in june i would say it was 99% people from Canada

we saved over 60% on airfare for the trip to san fran

SpongeG
Aug 17, 2009, 1:56 AM
as for virgin - i flew them from the uk to south africa - it was a great flight and airline :)

crazyjoeda
Aug 17, 2009, 2:03 AM
as for virgin - i flew them from the uk to south africa - it was a great flight and airline :)

That wouldn't be the same airline as Virgin America. They share the same ownership and have a similar name but offer different service levels.

SpongeG
Aug 17, 2009, 2:44 AM
yah i know

I just like the brand :)

deasine
Aug 17, 2009, 7:08 AM
Virgin is actually one of better airlines in North America. And Virgin did come up with the award winning first-class seating layout, which is now used by many of the top airlines.

Yume-sama
Aug 17, 2009, 7:18 AM
Where does Cathay Pacific fly to besides Hong Kong and New York from Vancouver, if anywhere :P?

According to their website there is no way this plane should have been where it was, when it was.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2440/3828536885_b35b9c9b67_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/syume/3828536885/

nova9
Aug 17, 2009, 9:22 AM
Where does Cathay Pacific fly to besides Hong Kong and New York from Vancouver, if anywhere :P?

According to their website there is no way this plane should have been where it was, when it was.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/syume/3828536885/

They fly through Asia and Southeast Asia. in 2007 they offered a multifly pass that was good for 6 months and it had an extensive list of Asian destinations.

Hourglass
Aug 17, 2009, 2:41 PM
Where does Cathay Pacific fly to besides Hong Kong and New York from Vancouver, if anywhere :P?

According to their website there is no way this plane should have been where it was, when it was.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/syume/3828536885/

Nice pic. Looks like an A340 to me. The flight could have been delayed for some reason, but I think it had to be a flight from Vancouver to Hong Kong for the simple reason that they fly either a 747 or 777 to every other passenger destination in North America -- with the exception of Vancouver.

Gordon
Aug 17, 2009, 4:06 PM
Cathay Flies various wide bidies into Vancouver Flight 889 is a 777 Flight 839 varies so the daytime flight could be a 777 ,747, or an A340

Yume-sama
Aug 17, 2009, 5:25 PM
Hmm, confusing! :banana: You'd think it'd be easiest to stick with *one* type of plane. :sly:

Delirium
Aug 19, 2009, 2:24 PM
YVR has a bunch of pics for the media to download from their website. they're quite nice..

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/oct2gon/Aerial_1.jpg
www.yvr.ca

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/oct2gon/Aerial_2.jpg
www.yvr.ca

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/oct2gon/Facilities_1.jpg
www.yvr.ca

love these glass bridges. it's such a pleasant way to arrive
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/oct2gon/Facilities_3.jpg
www.yvr.ca

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/oct2gon/Architecture_4.jpg
www.yvr.ca

log-jam lighting
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/oct2gon/Architecture_3.jpg
www.yvr.ca

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/oct2gon/Art_1.jpg
www.yvr.ca

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/oct2gon/Art_3.jpg
www.yvr.ca

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/oct2gon/Architecture_1.jpg
www.yvr.ca

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/oct2gon/Art_2.jpg
www.yvr.ca

Hed Kandi
Aug 19, 2009, 4:56 PM
Love the aboriginal art! :cool:

Denscity
Aug 19, 2009, 4:57 PM
Wow. Now imagine someone from the other side of the world's reaction when they see those in February!!

nova9
Aug 21, 2009, 2:11 AM
(from CBC.ca: http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/08/20/air-canada-iphone-app.html)

Air Canada rolls out iPhone app

Air Canada's downloadable iPhone application lets users find out real-time information about their flights. Air Canada has released downloadable software for iPhones and iPods that will allow passengers to receive flight information and boarding passes on their devices.

The airline said Thursday it is the first North American carrier to introduce an application for Apple's hugely popular iPhone and the iPod Touch. The free download, developed by IBM Canada, lets users to check in with their device, select their seat, retrieve electronic boarding passes and keep track of real-time flight status and information. The application also provides users with weather information, gate numbers and personalized messages related to their flights.

"Air Canada continues to be an industry leader in offering customers mobile and wireless services that provide real-time information and convenient functions for people who are on the move," said executive vice-president Ben Smith. "This is only the first iteration of our app, and we will continue to add new features in response to customer demand."

The iPhone is currently only available in Canada through Rogers and its subsidiary Fido. According to technology tracking firm IDC Canada, Rogers has shipped approximately 636,000 iPhones since the device was released here in July, 2008.

Other North American airlines, including WestJet in Canada, have created special services — including electronic boarding passes — that are optimized to work with the iPhone's web browser, as well as with other smartphones like the BlackBerry.

Cool. There were other members mentioning travellers in other countries and other airlines doing this. Looks like we're catching up.

nova9
Aug 21, 2009, 2:13 AM
Wow. Now imagine someone from the other side of the world's reaction when they see those in February!!

When they're leaving sure.

I wish the International Arrivals is as nice as when you come in from US flights. Going through that area is impressive for visitors arriving. Where as from an international flight, you don't see anything until you enter the Grand Arrivals Hall - which I am so glad that it is airy and expansive compared to the arrivals areas of other airports.

Canadian Mind
Aug 21, 2009, 3:19 AM
Nice!

I'm quite the fan of the ying-yang carving. Sorta combines the native atwork with asian influence, and of course our history as a logging area (the unpainted wood).

Yume-sama
Aug 21, 2009, 3:49 AM
I normally try to walk through the airport so fast, when not in one of the lounges, I don't even notice any of that :)

It really is one of the better looking airports in the World.

SFUVancouver
Aug 21, 2009, 4:08 AM
I would absolutely love it if YVR were to incorporate green roofs in the future. I realize that an intensive green roof like the Convention Centre is out of the question since the building was never designed for it but an extensive green roof using sedum or another form of lightweight succulent would be a viable option. Such a roof would certainly help with air conditioning costs and provide an incredible sight for arriving and departing passengers. It would also serve as a powerful symbol for YVR's commitment to sustainability and, literally, greening air travel.

usog
Aug 21, 2009, 5:44 AM
Just a curious question, is there any specific reason why ANA doesn't fly to YVR?

deasine
Aug 21, 2009, 7:46 AM
I would absolutely love it if YVR were to incorporate green roofs in the future. I realize that an intensive green roof like the Convention Centre is out of the question since the building was never designed for it but an extensive green roof using sedum or another form of lightweight succulent would be a viable option. Such a roof would certainly help with air conditioning costs and provide an incredible sight for arriving and departing passengers. It would also serve as a powerful symbol for YVR's commitment to sustainability and, literally, greening air travel.

I had the same idea for the longest time-actually I think I made a post about it on the Canada Line thread in SSC. It would pretty much be so amazing to fly down seeing green grass in the middle of all that concrete. Structurally, not much needs to be done for such an installation.

Delirium
Aug 21, 2009, 12:01 PM
i saw on the news last night that they installed a new piece of public art just outside the YVR station (as you are walking into the link building). It's a coast salish piece of a large owl flying over a tree. It's nice. Keeps with their theme and is a nice way of welcoming people.

also, here's a good video talking about the new observation lounge;
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SpongeG
Aug 21, 2009, 8:15 PM
the lounge is cool - have checked it out a couple times - might go down there get a coffee - its easy now ;)

deasine
Aug 22, 2009, 3:19 AM
Something embarrassing for YVR, but apparently, from what I heard from an Air Canada ground crew member, the lines for planes are painted incorrectly for Gate 43, part of the new C pier expansion project.

x___x"

metroXpress
Aug 23, 2009, 2:50 PM
^oops....I read the SkyTalk and saw some really nice public art in C-Pier....loved the observation deck as well. Is the Tim Horton's on 3rd level of DTB going to move closer to the observation deck? where there is a new food court? I am guessing that it's going to provide sandwiches after because right now, you have to go down to the Tim Horton's on 2nd level of DTB.

WaxItYourself
Aug 23, 2009, 3:06 PM
I was there as well a couple days ago and I notice that quite a lot still needs to be built. Any idea what is going to go behind the large white walls heading out to the observation deck and food court?

deasine
Aug 23, 2009, 10:30 PM
^oops....I read the SkyTalk and saw some really nice public art in C-Pier....loved the observation deck as well. Is the Tim Horton's on 3rd level of DTB going to move closer to the observation deck? where there is a new food court? I am guessing that it's going to provide sandwiches after because right now, you have to go down to the Tim Horton's on 2nd level of DTB.

I don't think they are going to move it.

I was there as well a couple days ago and I notice that quite a lot still needs to be built. Any idea what is going to go behind the large white walls heading out to the observation deck and food court?

Just a few more retail I believe, unless you are referring to the construction right by the LINK terminal.

WaxItYourself
Aug 24, 2009, 1:58 AM
I don't think they are going to move it.



Just a few more retail I believe, unless you are referring to the construction right by the LINK terminal.

I'm not too sure where the link terminal is. All I know is that there are large white boards/walls that look like there are things being built behind them.

Yume-sama
Aug 25, 2009, 5:27 PM
:banana: My flight to Tokyo has been delayed 5hr. 15 min.

YVR is not *that* interesting. :frog:

nova9
Aug 25, 2009, 5:30 PM
:banana: My flight to Tokyo has been delayed 5hr. 15 min.

YVR is not *that* interesting. :frog:

helloooo, take the canada line downtown for an hour or two. or are you already past security? 5 hours is plenty of time to do something downtown.

Yume-sama
Aug 25, 2009, 5:39 PM
:P In the JAL Sakura Lounge with Olympic omiyage in hand. :whip:

I wonder if they will be giving out "inconvience" cash like they do in Japan. Scored $300 for a 1 hour delay in Fukuoka.

deasine
Aug 25, 2009, 5:48 PM
It depends on the airline. Air Canada gives you these food vouchers with maximum amounts on them.

Yume-sama
Aug 25, 2009, 5:51 PM
Hmm. They have really good sandwiches here. I could probably eat a few hundred dollars worth.

And an open bar, they may have to drag me out by the time 5 hours is up.

deasine
Aug 25, 2009, 5:54 PM
Not all airports have an aquarium in them.... =P

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_2syn56cxREE/So5Zbz2pPHI/AAAAAAAAFXg/sexumve2SzA/s800/P1080602.JPG
Photography by Deasine - Hosted on Picasa Web Albums - Creative Commons Protected

Not to mention... a creek running down the centre.
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_2syn56cxREE/So5Z2EkztkI/AAAAAAAAFX0/y5Bg3o3lJ4A/s800/P1080606.JPG
Photography by Deasine - Hosted on Picasa Web Albums - Creative Commons Protected

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_2syn56cxREE/So5Z7vRo5xI/AAAAAAAAFYA/EtisxRjfNiE/s800/P1080609.JPG
Photography by Deasine - Hosted on Picasa Web Albums - Creative Commons Protected

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_2syn56cxREE/So5Z9KUBoXI/AAAAAAAAFYE/IwHpzNXtgMo/s640/P1080610.JPG
Photography by Deasine - Hosted on Picasa Web Albums - Creative Commons Protected

Oh... and all the fake greenery:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_2syn56cxREE/So5aFBDyurI/AAAAAAAAFYU/ROrXQzpnUxI/s800/P1080614.JPG
Photography by Deasine - Hosted on Picasa Web Albums - Creative Commons Protected

Yume-sama
Aug 25, 2009, 8:39 PM
:( It's always scary to get on a plane after a 5 hour delay due to "maintenance", especially when the flight is 10 hours :P

On another note, there are currently 3 JAL 747's here. My flight (broken plane!), flight at 3:15, and a flight that just arrived, that will connect to Mexico City.

mr.x
Aug 25, 2009, 8:55 PM
RIP Yume-ama.


Yea, i'm a terrible flyer...if it were me, i'd probably insist on waiting for another flight.

NewfBC
Aug 28, 2009, 1:15 AM
Hmm. They have really good sandwiches here. I could probably eat a few hundred dollars worth.



Are you a sumo wrestler? :)

Ron.

Yume-sama
Aug 28, 2009, 2:35 AM
RIP Yume-ama.


Yea, i'm a terrible flyer...if it were me, i'd probably insist on waiting for another flight.

:banana: I'm still alive!

Are you a sumo wrestler? :)

Ron.

I could be! Though I have an aversion to diapers. :worship: And would have a 200 pound handicap against me. :(

The Milestones at YVR is really good. That's my review of the airport~ :P

deasine
Aug 28, 2009, 8:34 AM
The Milestones at YVR is really good. That's my review of the airport~ :P

I work in the Air Canada Wing of Domestic Terminal, literally across from the Int'l Terminal and I walk to often walk to Milestones on my break just to get their food.

mr.x
Aug 28, 2009, 8:38 AM
^ lol what's so different about the domestic terminal Milestones that makes it so much better?

Has anyone tried the Milestones after security in the international terminal?

deasine
Aug 28, 2009, 8:54 AM
^ lol what's so different about the domestic terminal Milestones that makes it so much better?

Has anyone tried the Milestones after security in the international terminal?

Well I'm too lazy to get out of security and go back in... even though it's just an access card away... And yes I've been to the one post security a few times now.

mr.x
Aug 28, 2009, 9:18 AM
^ lol, i'd love to work at the airport someday. I thought about working there last year, but the commute wasn't very practical: taking the 25 from UBC, then the 99, and then the 424 is about a 90-minute trip. But now with the Canada Line.... :D

trofirhen
Aug 29, 2009, 9:22 AM
Does anybody have any information; plans, drawings, diagrams,, statistics, on the supposed new United States Departures and Arrivals Terminal to be built in the next ("x") number of years?

Apparently, Templeton Station is ultimately going to be renamed something like "YVR" and will serve this new terminal. This of course represents a major new phase in YVR's development.

Does anyone know anything about it, or have any links to the plans for it?

raskal
Aug 29, 2009, 1:31 PM
Templeton will become an employee parking lot thereby opening up the current lot east of the TB terminal for future expansion. There are plans to add a C-Line stop between Sea Island Station and YVR to accommodate an expansion of the terminal.

Here's a link for YVR 2027 Master Plan (http://www.yvr.ca/yourairport2027/pdf/yvr_masterplan.pdf).

SFUVancouver
Aug 29, 2009, 3:02 PM
^ Thanks for posting the link.

I could not quite picture the planned expasnsion of YVR, let alone how it would relate to the North-South taxiway and "YVR-2" Canada Line station. This graphic took care of that.

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/377/yvrexpansionplan.jpg
Source (http://www.yvr.ca/yourairport2027/pdf/yvr_masterplan.pdf)[page 31]

Rusty Gull
Aug 29, 2009, 4:32 PM
^ lol what's so different about the domestic terminal Milestones that makes it so much better?

Has anyone tried the Milestones after security in the international terminal?

The Milestones post-security in International is just fine. Actually, it's quite comfortable and airy... nicer than some of the Milestones in the city.

My beef, however, is with the Galiano Cafe pre-security at International - absolutely awful service, food and value.

Gordon
Aug 29, 2009, 5:36 PM
How does the Canada Line affect the North South Taxiway?

agrant
Aug 29, 2009, 5:50 PM
:previous: I think the taxiway is supposed to go over top of the Canada Line at a point where it is at grade. The transition to elevated track probably happens slightly west of where they've drawn in the crossing.

mr.x
Aug 29, 2009, 5:51 PM
^ the Line was designed for the north-south taxiway. The section that is now at-grade was originally going to be elevated, but YVR requested that it be at ground level to keep their taxiway options open.

Smooth
Aug 29, 2009, 5:52 PM
How does the Canada Line affect the North South Taxiway?

The Canada Line runs along the ground along that stretch to allow for the North-South taxiway to pass above.

EDIT: Wow... I thought I was replying quickly but 2 people beat me to it.

phesto
Sep 15, 2009, 2:46 PM
Looks like JAL is in trouble - hope this doesn't affect YVR's Narita service.

Japan Airlines to Cut Routes and 6,800 Jobs

By HIROKO TABUCHI
Published: September 15, 2009

TOKYO — Japan Airlines said Tuesday that it would cut 6,800 jobs, trim routes and quickly secure emergency funds from an overseas carrier, stepping up restructuring efforts amid mounting losses that threaten to pull the company under.

Delta Air Lines, the world’s biggest airline, and American Airlines are battling over a stake in Japan Airlines, which had a loss of ¥99 billion, or $1 billion, in the three months that ended in June.

Japan Airlines is also reportedly in talks with Air France-KLM and Korean Air Lines over investments amounting to several hundred million dollars, which would give the successful bidder a minority stake in the carrier.

Japan Airlines, the biggest carrier in the country, is struggling to stay afloat despite three government bailouts since 2001. It was hurt by a slump in air travel, the continuing weakness of the Japanese economy and what many analysts see as years of mismanagement.

On Tuesday, the president of Japan Airlines, Haruka Nishimatsu, said to reporters that the company would cut 6,800 jobs over three years and carry out a reorganization of its routes, many of which lose money.

He said the airline, known as JAL, aimed to conclude talks by mid-October on a tie-up with an overseas carrier, but declined to comment on a likely partner or how much JAL hoped to raise. He did not specify how many routes the airline planned to cut or change.

Japan Airlines hopes that a cash infusion from an overseas partner, as well as a drastic turnaround plan, will persuade its creditors to provide fresh capital.

The cash could also let the airline upgrade to newer, more fuel-efficient aircraft and turn around money-losing routes by teaming up with a new partner.

Meanwhile, JAL’s rivals are looking to expand abroad to tap a lucrative market in international business travel.

For Delta, a stake in JAL would add to its trans-Pacific and Asian routes and secure access to coveted berths at the busy Narita International Airport in Tokyo. But Delta is still integrating its $2.6 billion purchase of Northwest and it lost $1.05 billion in the first six months of 2009.

A Delta-JAL deal would hurt American, which could see its current code-sharing agreement with JAL canceled. American lacks a hub in Asia and is expected to bid hard to keep its ties with JAL.

An investment in Japan Airlines would be a high-stakes deal for any player in an industry exposed to wild swings in profitability. Moreover, equity ties between airlines have been rare, with carriers forging looser alliances like code sharing on flights.

An alliance with JAL could be beneficial for U.S. airlines in light of recent talks between the American and Japanese governments on a so-called “open skies” agreement that could open up trans-Pacific routes to greater competition.

Only two U.S. passenger airlines — Delta and United Airlines — are permitted to fly between Narita Airport and cities in the United States.

Despite the potential advantages for the bidders, analysts say that JAL needs to show it is serious about turning itself around if it is to ink a deal.

The company has already forecast a ¥63 billion loss for the current fiscal year, which ends next March. Although it recently secured ¥100 billion in government-backed loans, analysts say the airline needs at least ¥250 billion to get through the year.

JAL is mired in negotiations with its eight unions over staff and pay cuts, holding back the company’s restructuring efforts. The company’s holdings, which include a global hotel chain and credit card business, have also drained its resources. Meanwhile, the carrier is losing out to its rival, All Nippon Airways, on domestic routes.

“On one hand, it’s not a such an expensive purchase, considering the possible rewards,” said Yasuhiro Matsumoto, an analyst at Shinsei Securities. On the other, “nobody wants to invest in a company in such dire straits.”

Yiyi Jiang contributed to this report from Tokyo.

Yume-sama
Sep 15, 2009, 4:46 PM
It would make me sad to see JAL go under. That would leave us with *ONLY* Air Canada to get to Japan, as ANA surely wouldn't start.

And that simply wouldn't do...

twoNeurons
Sep 15, 2009, 4:52 PM
It would make me sad to see JAL go under. That would leave us with *ONLY* Air Canada to get to Japan, as ANA surely wouldn't start.

And that simply wouldn't do...

I would LOVE to see ANA start. Much prefer their planes... and they are headed in Osaka.

Yume-sama
Sep 15, 2009, 5:38 PM
ANA will never start so long as Air Canada is alive. They are part of the same alliance and have codeshare agreements. :(

twoNeurons
Sep 15, 2009, 8:17 PM
ANA will never start so long as Air Canada is alive. They are part of the same alliance and have codeshare agreements. :(
But AC doesn't fly to Osaka any more and they don't even have a presence in that airport.

Yume-sama
Sep 15, 2009, 8:18 PM
But AC doesn't fly to Osaka any more and they don't even have a presence in that airport.

They most likely will when they take delivery of the 787, whenever that might be!

Gordon
Sep 15, 2009, 9:18 PM
It looks like Air Canada should receive it's first 787 in 2012(according Wikipedia)

Yume-sama
Sep 15, 2009, 9:20 PM
Well, hopefully there is still an Air Canada in 2012. The 787's will be quite nice! :haha:

zahav
Sep 17, 2009, 2:27 AM
Here's some pics of the new Gateway sign. Taken by one of my co-workers

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f241/zahav84/Aug20190920021.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f241/zahav84/Aug20190920022.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f241/zahav84/Aug20190920027.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f241/zahav84/Aug20190920033.jpg

usog
Sep 17, 2009, 2:31 AM
Well, hopefully there isn't an Air Canada in 2012. Flying JAL will be quite nice! :haha:
Fixed:haha:

And man it's getting dark much earlier now.

Spoolmak
Sep 17, 2009, 2:42 AM
If there is no AC, what will Canadas major airline be? every country needs an airline. Whether or not AC sucks.

Yume-sama
Sep 17, 2009, 2:46 AM
Air Canada has gotten a lot better. Though, they could use better cabin attendants, and pretty much anyone else who is in a position to talk with the public. Flying with them is actually quite enjoyable (if you have no high standards (maybe even low... Westjet still wins for customer service in Canada) of customer service that Asian airlines set), the planes are now all refurbished inside, have USB power for cellphones and iPods, and AC power for laptops, along with personal TV sets. If they could add in-flight internet I would probably take them over JAL, who I take to Tokyo because of 1) Price and 2) I have a good frequent flyer status with them

deasine
Sep 17, 2009, 3:00 AM
I didn't know the sign glows at night! Great pictures.

mr.x
Sep 17, 2009, 3:02 AM
love the sign.

i've gotta wonder, when are they getting themselves a new website?

deasine
Sep 17, 2009, 3:08 AM
love the sign.

i've gotta wonder, when are they getting themselves a new website?

They are long due. I emailed them about this two years ago... just hope they do it before the games.

Not related, but UBC's new website looks quite sleek.

Hed Kandi
Sep 17, 2009, 4:15 AM
Here's some pics of the new Gateway sign. Taken by one of my co-workers

Wow. Very Impressive.

Stingray2004
Sep 17, 2009, 4:21 AM
Cool pics! Thanks zahav!

Yume-sama
Sep 26, 2009, 4:59 AM
JAL has announced a new aircraft configuration to NRT from YVR, in hopes of attracting more business people.

http://images.keizai.biz/vancouver_keizai/headline/1249075357_photo.jpg

日本航空(JAL)は9月から成田~バンクーバー路線、成田~バンクーバー経由メキシコ路線のビジネスクラスで「心地よい眠り」を提案する「シェル・フラット・シート」を導入する。

 新型シートは既に2002年から東京発の機内を中心にファースト、ビジネスクラスに使用されているが、バンクーバー路線は観光客中心の顧客ということもあり導入が先送りにされていた。今回の導入について「設備の充実化を図るとともに数年前から当社で展開しているプレミアム戦略の一環として既にフラットシートを導入する他社との競合、ビジネス客の拡大を狙う」(JALバンクーバー支店長の篠原孝昌さん)。

 「シェル・フラット・シート」は170度リクライニング、シートの長さは最大190センチ、幅もベッドモード時は59センチと「ゆとりのプライベートスペース」を提案するほか、パソコン用コンセント、専用読書灯、電話を設置する。10.4インチTVモニターは前座席に設置されているが座席を覆うシェル型デザインのカバーがあるためリクライニング時も前座席の背もたれの傾きに関係なくモニターを鑑賞できる。

It pretty much says that they had planned to introduce a higher quality business class in 2002, but most customers flying from Vancouver are "tourists" who fly economy, so it was not high priority to refurbish the aircraft with a better business class. But now, to compete with Air Canada and their new "Executive First Suite", they will be providing completely lie-flat seats with 10.4" TV screens in a "relaxing, private, environment", in Business Class. Sometimes a two class configuration aircraft will not be available, so on select flights a 3 class configuration with a first, business (with the upgraded seats), and economy, will be used.

Economy will remain the same, but the aircraft will be "newer" :P

In a couple of years time JAL will be retiring ALL 747's and replacing with 777 or 787.

Rusty Gull
Sep 26, 2009, 5:06 AM
^ Good stuff. I hope that JAL will consider taking over the YVR-Kansai/Osaka route that Air Canada cancelled last year. Then again, JAL is currently being propped up by the Japanese government financially, so it's unlikely.

Yume-sama
Sep 26, 2009, 5:09 AM
Hmm, would they have to get the Canadian governments permission for this?

It is very unlikely, as Osaka is the base of ANA, AC's alliance partner. Air Canada may pick up this route again when they have 787's.

Or, ANA being the launch customer for 787, might!

trofirhen
Sep 29, 2009, 4:24 PM
Here's something from "The Vancouver Sun" by Miro Cernetig that anybody interested in the furure of YVR might be interested in.

It's all been said before, but now it finally seems to be entering the domain of "mainstream thinking."

At last ! !





http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Protecting+Canada+costs+jobs+lowers+revenue+raises+prices/2042237/story.html

whatnext
Sep 29, 2009, 6:43 PM
Here's something from "The Vancouver Sun" by Miro Cernetig that anybody interested in the furure of YVR might be interested in.

It's all been said before, but now it finally seems to be entering the domain of "mainstream thinking."

At last ! !

http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Protecting+Canada+costs+jobs+lowers+revenue+raises+prices/2042237/story.html

While that article plays well into the hands of Air Canada haters, its riddled with half-truths.

France restricts air access to 2nd tier cities. Why should Canada open up access if France does not?

Singapore Airlines could only make a go of service by picking up passengers in Korea. If they wanted Vancouver access so badly, they could have started direct SIA-YVR service.

The Air Tahiti Nui rumour has been kicking around for years. I find it very hard to believe they would forsake a huge market like SoCal for YVR.

trofirhen
Sep 29, 2009, 6:56 PM
While that article plays well into the hands of Air Canada haters, its riddled with half-truths.

France restricts air access to 2nd tier cities. Why should Canada open up access if France does not?

Singapore Airlines could only make a go of service by picking up passengers in Korea. If they wanted Vancouver access so badly, they could have started direct SIA-YVR service.

The Air Tahiti Nui rumour has been kicking around for years. I find it very hard to believe they would forsake a huge market like SoCal for YVR.

Part of it I agree with totally, like why not starting a direct SIA - YVR route.
And yes, that Air Tahiti Nui Paris-Vacouver thing seems too unreal to be real.

Conversely, Air Canada apparently has no interest in servicing the UAE, but will still not allow Emirates to fly here. A contact in the YVR marketing department, who was at the recent concention, was totally baffled by this; said he couldn't make head nor tail of it.

I can't either, in the case of keeping Emirates out of YVR.

twoNeurons
Sep 29, 2009, 7:02 PM
Hmm, would they have to get the Canadian governments permission for this?

It is very unlikely, as Osaka is the base of ANA, AC's alliance partner. Air Canada may pick up this route again when they have 787's.

Or, ANA being the launch customer for 787, might!

/me crosses fingers

whatnext
Sep 29, 2009, 7:10 PM
Part of it I agree with totally, like why not starting a direct SIA - YVR route.
And yes, that Air Tahiti Nui Paris-Vacouver thing seems too unreal to be real.

Conversely, Air Canada apparently has no interest in servicing the UAE, but will still not allow Emirates to fly here. A contact in the YVR marketing department, who was at the recent concention, was totally baffled by this; said he couldn't make head nor tail of it.

I can't either, in the case of keeping Emirates out of YVR.

Emirates is a special case. There's little O & D traffic between Canada and the UAE. Emirates looks to siphon traffic from exisiting carriers and hub them through Dubai. Couple that with a "lack of clarity" as to what kind of state funding they get, and its not a fair, level playing field for AC.

trofirhen
Sep 30, 2009, 3:53 PM
Emirates is a special case. There's little O & D traffic between Canada and the UAE. Emirates looks to siphon traffic from exisiting carriers and hub them through Dubai. Couple that with a "lack of clarity" as to what kind of state funding they get, and its not a fair, level playing field for AC.

Do you work for Air Canada, by any chance?

trofirhen
Oct 1, 2009, 9:47 PM
. . . anyone who wants to see YVR become a major world airport, well contected to all continents, should read this, if you haven't already.

Excuse me. I know I posted it once, and had a difference of opinion with one reader. I respect that difference, but still feel that Air Canada and the interests of Ontario and Quebec (to a lesser extent) are being given priority at the expense of the rest of the country, particularly at airports like Vancouver,
which are xpanding vigourously in anticipation of future growth and world prominence.

People have got to write to their MP's to rectify this inexcusable situation.
Vancouver is being hamstrung, possibly more than any other Canadian airport, by the protectionsit attitudes of Air Canada, which caters to the Ontario population voting base.

Again -- and I apoloogize for being a repetitious with this, -- but please read this article to gain a hands-on idea of what is transpiring.

By the way, regarding flights to "second tier" cities, there are nonstopns Toronto-Nice and Montreal-Nice, which is about the seventh largest city in France, so there is no excuse for blocking flights from YVR to CDG.

Just click on the link, and you'll find out in part why our passenger volumes
have not risen faster than they have. Thank you all for your time
and consideration.

I hope this ignites some reaction and feedback. It follows on the heels of a major conference, trying to gain more destinations for YVR, with seemingly little success.

http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Protecting+Canada+costs+jobs+lowers+revenue+raises+prices/2042237/story.html

vansky
Oct 1, 2009, 11:01 PM
giving 12 months to air canada, this is a stupid excuse. ppl should have more choices, not to mention all the economic benefits from tourism.

mr.x
Oct 2, 2009, 1:30 AM
Things like this do enrage me quite a bit.

How long will this keep up? And it's only gotten worse eversince Toronto decided to build themselves that massive white elephant of an airport. Now that they need more money to run that thing, they're trying to siphon even more flights to the centre of the universe.

deasine
Oct 2, 2009, 2:45 AM
It's frustrating, but there really isn't anything you can do about it.

Spork
Oct 2, 2009, 3:10 AM
If YVR wants more flights like this, then they should engage in their own PR campaign soliciting open skies so that the public and the media get up in our MP's faces about this. The handful of people here that understand what is going on is going to make no impact. Of course, we could all organize a bit better and get more people involved, but that should wait until the UBC skytrain extension is underway. ;)

nova9
Oct 2, 2009, 3:59 AM
It's frustrating, but there really isn't anything you can do about it.

we can always bomb toronto or make them get SARS again.

Rusty Gull
Oct 2, 2009, 4:11 AM
But seriously, why don't we get organized?

This is a case where public pressure does need to be exerted on the federal government. It is inexcusable that Vancouver and West Coast travellers are being forced to subsidize the white elephant that is Pearson Airport, by being forced to connect through YYZ en route to various European and US destinations.

In the past 12-24 months, we have lost direct flights to Singapore, Hong Kong, Osaka and more -- while Toronto has faced virtually no cuts. And no, Toronto-Rome doesn't count.

mr.x
Oct 2, 2009, 4:12 AM
^ they won't be hosting the Olympics for another two decades if Chicago wins tomorrow...cheer on for Chicago!:tup:

cabotp
Oct 2, 2009, 7:02 AM
If Toronto even thinks that I would fly to their stupid airport to get to Europe. They surely are stupid.

It is hours and hours quicker to fly directly to London and catch a connecting flight from there than it is to fly to Toronto and onto your destination in Europe

Assuming there is no direct flight from Vancouver to your final destination airport.

Hourglass
Oct 2, 2009, 8:10 AM
While that article plays well into the hands of Air Canada haters, its riddled with half-truths.

Singapore Airlines could only make a go of service by picking up passengers in Korea. If they wanted Vancouver access so badly, they could have started direct SIA-YVR service.

I've seen this silliness on other sites such as airliners.net, too.

You do realize, of course, that Singapore Airlines serves all North American west coast hubs via a third country, right? They serve SFO via HKG and LAX via Tokyo. I would guess these are far more lucrative markets than Canada. Strangely enough, though, the US doesn't seem to have the same problems that Canada has with this arrangement.

3x per week SIN-ICN-YVR simply didn't make sense economically and so SQ suspended the route.

It's Vancouver's loss.

trofirhen
Oct 2, 2009, 8:11 AM
It's frustrating, but there really isn't anything you can do about it.

I agree with you in an overall sense, Deasine, but what people CAN do about it is to write in large numbers to their MP's and SCREAM !! The say one letter is worth four (4) votes, and if enough letters are sent to enough MP's in Otaawa, those folks might just take notice and react. . . (although that's
wishful thinking, I will admit).

BUT IT'S WORTH A TRY! ! WHAT HAVE WE GOT TO LOSE, THE WAY THINGS ARE NOW?? :hell:

cabotp
Oct 2, 2009, 8:18 AM
Having more kids and growing our population to the point where Ontario and Quebec are quite small to us. Would truly help us in the long run.

trofirhen
Oct 2, 2009, 11:50 PM
The Honourable John Baird.
It's his job to oversee things like this.

His direct email adress: mintc@tc.gc.ca

Surely there must be someone who has something to say to this dude.


:hell: :koko: :haha: :yuck: :whip: :rant: :doh: :brickwall: :irked:

metroXpress
Oct 3, 2009, 12:46 AM
^ they won't be hosting the Olympics for another two decades if Chicago wins tomorrow...cheer on for Chicago!:tup:

now they have a chance:haha:

yesheh
Oct 3, 2009, 2:53 AM
The Honourable John Baird.
It's his job to oversee things like this.

His direct email adress: mintc@tc.gc.ca

Surely there must be someone who has something to say to this dude.


:hell: :koko: :haha: :yuck: :whip: :rant: :doh: :brickwall: :irked:

Better yet, write your MP and ask them to lobby - they do actually pay a lot of attention when you have something cohesive to say.

trofirhen
Oct 3, 2009, 9:53 AM
Better yet, write your MP and ask them to lobby - they do actually pay a lot of attention when you have something cohesive to say.
:previous: :previous: :previous: :previous: :previous: :previous: :previous:

Good point. Thanks for that clarification. I hope people WILL write to their MP's about this. If the trend continues unabated, we'll be a second-tier airport in ten years.

usog
Oct 3, 2009, 4:52 PM
http://news1130.com/news/local/more.jsp?content=20091003_110720_7588

Is this only news just now?

trofirhen
Oct 3, 2009, 5:10 PM
http://news1130.com/news/local/more.jsp?content=20091003_110720_7588

Is this only news just now?

Not sure. Bellingham Airport has mostly regional flights. Too bad they don't have nonstops to Paris, Dubai, and other places. I'm sick of waiting for the Canadian government to give YVR a break. In reality, I guess it means flying out of Seattle.

Gordon
Oct 3, 2009, 5:52 PM
I would suspect that Vancouver is not the only Canadian city losing traffic to an American City. The Federal Government needs to re asses the taxes & fees that the airlines are charged th8us dealing withe the price discrepancy between flying out of Canada (YVR) & the U.S. (SEA) It costs twice as much to fly from Vancouver to Miami & Frankfurt as it does out of Seattle.

trofirhen
Oct 3, 2009, 6:44 PM
I would suspect that Vancouver is not the only Canadian city losing traffic to an American City. The Federal Government needs to re asses the taxes & fees that the airlines are charged th8us dealing withe the price discrepancy between flying out of Canada (YVR) & the U.S. (SEA) It costs twice as much to fly from Vancouver to Miami & Frankfurt as it does out of Seattle.

In that case, how do we get onto the Canadian feds and slap some sense into them? Don't they know the damage they're doing?

What measures can we take? Any ideas, anybody? Somethin's gotta give ! ! Fast ! ! :Titanic:

yesheh
Oct 3, 2009, 8:56 PM
Don't worry, the industry has noticed.. and I think it is making efforts to lobby. There are airports on the US side of the line with similar distances outside of Toronto (Buffalo) and Montreal (some airport just inside of New York) - so hopefully something happens.

trofirhen
Oct 3, 2009, 9:41 PM
Don't worry, the industry has noticed.. and I think it is making efforts to lobby. There are airports on the US side of the line with similar distances outside of Toronto (Buffalo) and Montreal (some airport just inside of New York) - so hopefully something happens.

Whew, that's reassuring! I just hope you're right. Otherwise, we'll have to "take it to the streets," and get our MPs to do the lobbying for us. The
whole protectionsit / restrictionist gig by the feds is pitiful.

whatnext
Oct 3, 2009, 11:38 PM
Do you work for Air Canada, by any chance?

No. However, I respect the fact that Air Canada and its affiliates are one of Greater Vancouver's top 6 employers, and see no reason to beggar my neighbours for the sake of some foreign company.

I've seen this silliness on other sites such as airliners.net, too.

You do realize, of course, that Singapore Airlines serves all North American west coast hubs via a third country, right? They serve SFO via HKG and LAX via Tokyo. I would guess these are far more lucrative markets than Canada. Strangely enough, though, the US doesn't seem to have the same problems that Canada has with this arrangement.

3x per week SIN-ICN-YVR simply didn't make sense economically and so SQ suspended the route.

It's Vancouver's loss.

That's the USA's problem, not mine. Air Canada and Korean Airlines do a fine job of serving the Korea-Canada market. There's no reason for Singapore to serve it. If they can't make a go of Canada-Singapore than they really shouldn't be in that business.

Spork
Oct 4, 2009, 2:33 AM
No. However, I respect the fact that Air Canada and its affiliates are one of Greater Vancouver's top 6 employers, and see no reason to beggar my neighbours for the sake of some foreign company.

Subsidized employment is AWESOME! Not.