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Gordon
May 22, 2013, 3:41 AM
once Pier b is complets e how many gates will there be on that pier?

Is there any info on this project because the website doesn't seem to have any?

Johnny Aussie
May 23, 2013, 3:59 AM
With summer scheds ramping up and with the latest round of transborder changes (DL just upgauged one of the MSP Saturday flights to a 757), YVR will see 5 757s on Saturdays all around midday throughout the summer) For an airport that barely sees these beautiful birds at all anymore... Not a bad 757 spotting day!

Scheds as follows:

UA to IAH @ 11:37 (arrives from ORD @ 10:37)
UA to EWR @ 11:43 (arrives from EWR @ 10:42)
DL to ATL @ 11:50 (arrives from ATL @ 10:50)
UA to SFO @ 12:44 (arrives from IAH @ 11:44)
DL to MSP @ 12:45 (arrives from MSP @ 11:14)

Edit: with any luck you may be actually able to catch all 5 on the ground at the same time.

teriyaki
May 23, 2013, 5:15 AM
With summer scheds ramping up and with the latest round of transborder changes (DL just upgauged one of the MSP Saturday flights to a 757), YVR will see 5 757s on Saturdays all around midday throughout the summer) For an airport that barely sees these beautiful birds at all anymore... Not a bad 757 spotting day!

Scheds as follows:

UA to IAH @ 11:37 (arrives from ORD @ 10:37)
UA to EWR @ 11:43 (arrives from EWR @ 10:42)
DL to ATL @ 11:50 (arrives from ATL @ 10:50)
UA to SFO @ 12:44 (arrives from IAH @ 11:44)
DL to MSP @ 12:45 (arrives from MSP @ 11:14)

Edit: with any luck you may be actually able to catch all 5 on the ground at the same time.

Thanks for this information. Always loved the 757, we almost never see this type around here. Too many ERJs and airbii.

Gonna make it a point to catch them this summer.

deasine
May 23, 2013, 7:10 AM
Interesting how UA is running these planes here... Wonder if there's any chance they will have an odd International Variant with lie-flat J-seats =P

Jebby
May 23, 2013, 8:41 AM
Interesting how UA is running these planes here... Wonder if there's any chance they will have an odd International Variant with lie-flat J-seats =P

I'd imagine all of those would be in service on transatlantic routes, especially during the summer peak season.


Edit, misread 757 for 777.

theKB
May 23, 2013, 5:51 PM
I'd imagine all of those would be in service on transatlantic routes, especially during the summer peak season.


Edit, misread 757 for 777.

united actually does run domestic 3 class "international spec" 757-200 service between JFK and LAX or SFO on the p.s. flights. Great service/product for the transcontinental hauls.

Jebby
May 23, 2013, 11:09 PM
united actually does run domestic 3 class "international spec" 757-200 service between JFK and LAX or SFO on the p.s. flights. Great service/product for the transcontinental hauls.

I know they do. That's why I edited my post and said I misread 757 as 777, which would not be used on domestic or transborder flights.

The plane that hit the Pentagon (DC to LAX) and the one that crashed in Pennsylvania (Newark to SFO) on 9/11 were both 3-class 757's.

Johnny Aussie
May 28, 2013, 5:50 AM
Just read on airlineroute.net AC returning ICN to daily for the winter schedule.

They are cancelling the 3 weekly YYZ non stops. I guess forward bookings weren't meeting expectations.

airlineroute.net/2013/05/28/ac-icn-w13update2

Valley_Refugee
May 31, 2013, 12:54 AM
Vancouver will be seeing AC's new 3-class higher density 777-300's on the YVR-HKG route:

http://airlineroute.net/2013/05/30/ac-yvrhkg-w13/

theKB
May 31, 2013, 1:40 AM
Vancouver will be seeing AC's new 3-class higher density 777-300's on the YVR-HKG route:

http://airlineroute.net/2013/05/30/ac-yvrhkg-w13/

Air Canada's "Premium Economy" sounds like kind of a joke. An inch extra width in the seat and a few more inches of recline along with stuff that used to be standard on an international flight.

Really bleh if you compare it to Cathay's premium economy which is closer more like AC's NA J class.

There must be stiff competition on those Hong Kong/China routes.

teriyaki
May 31, 2013, 2:18 AM
Air Canada's "Premium Economy" sounds like kind of a joke. An inch extra width in the seat and a few more inches of recline along with stuff that used to be standard on an international flight.

Really bleh if you compare it to Cathay's premium economy which is closer more like AC's NA J class.

There must be stiff competition on those Hong Kong/China routes.

There are tonnes of options to get to HKG if taking a connection isn't a concern.

On a related note, JAL just announced that their 767's they deploy to YVR will be the first one with the brand new interior for both Economy and Business class. Looks awesome. With prices on JL comparable if not sometimes better than AC to HKG this looks like a solid flight option.

http://jal-pak.blogspot.ca/2013/05/jal-announces-sky-suite-767-ss6-details.html

casper
May 31, 2013, 8:37 PM
Air Canada's "Premium Economy" sounds like kind of a joke. An inch extra width in the seat and a few more inches of recline along with stuff that used to be standard on an international flight.

Really bleh if you compare it to Cathay's premium economy which is closer more like AC's NA J class.

There must be stiff competition on those Hong Kong/China routes.

I think it is a realisation by Air Canada that there is a lot of competition driving the prices down and the only way to compete is to put more people in the same plane and reduce cost. The 3 class aircraft also means economy goes from 9 across to 10 across. Not the ideal configuration for a long range flight.

The standard two cabin 777 have 18.5 inchs in economy. On the three cabin 777 it is 17 in in economy and 20 in premium.

deasine
Jun 1, 2013, 1:31 AM
Lovely, the AC 777-300ERs are also coming to YVR-LHR... (I'm being sarcastic)
http://airlineroute.net/2013/05/31/ac-yvrlhr-s14/?utm_source=feedly

theKB
Jun 3, 2013, 4:25 PM
The standard two cabin 777 have 18.5 inchs in economy. On the three cabin 777 it is 17 in in economy and 20 in premium.

In Air Canada speak that would be a service enhancement for standard economy class!

"We've tightened economy class to ensure a more cozy flight for you and your fellow passengers"

Gordon
Jun 3, 2013, 5:05 PM
The airroute.net posting says the 777s will have 458 seats that seems very high .

deasine
Jun 3, 2013, 6:37 PM
The airroute.net posting says the 777s will have 458 seats that seems very high .

But indeed it does have that many. In fact ACs 777s are configured with a higher capacity than one of KEs A380s!

Vanzunator
Jun 5, 2013, 6:04 PM
As the following news article on Air Transport World, China Southern is planning to use their 787 fleet on Guangzhou-Vancouver route. This can be the first scheduled 787 service to YVR.
http://atwonline.com/airframes/china-southern-airlines-takes-delivery-first-787

Gordon
Jun 6, 2013, 4:53 PM
Air Canada's narrow body fleet (a319& 320s ) is getting yoto the point that the older planes will need replacing in the next few years. Does any one have any ideas what they might be planning for the longer routes (ie yvr - yyz or ewr ) the Embrairs lack the range fot flights of that distance.

theKB
Jun 6, 2013, 5:24 PM
Air Canada's narrow body fleet (a319& 320s ) is getting yoto the point that the older planes will need replacing in the next few years. Does any one have any ideas what they might be planning for the longer routes (ie yvr - yyz or ewr ) the Embrairs lack the range fot flights of that distance.

i have heard a few horror stories from when AC first got Embrairs they put them on a few 3 hour plus routes and having issues with the washrooms overflowing because they lacked the capacity for that long of a flight.

Would be nice if they did a few airbus 321's for long hauls with the executive first pods from the international routes as a sort of premium long haul service like some of the carriers are now doing in the US.

American Airlines 321 transcontinental configuration and 777-300.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20zshmYxhLw

Johnny Aussie
Jun 10, 2013, 9:52 PM
http://airlineroute.net/2013/06/10/cz-w13update2/

Just a few weeks ago CZ was increasing from 3 flights per week to 5. Now they are increasing to daily for the winter scheds 2013/2014.

Impressive increase from last winter where CZ flew only 3 weekly.

Gordon
Jun 10, 2013, 10:16 PM
That's obviously proven to be a rather successful route for china Southern.

YVR now has 3 red eyes to the U.S. UA to ORD & iAH & DL too JFK

Johnny Aussie
Jun 11, 2013, 9:52 PM
More capacity to Asia... doesn't seem to be slowing!

Not only is China Airlines showing daily for the entire winter period (normally it is reduced to 5 or 6 weekly) but now showing daily 744 for about a 6 week period as well.

http://airlineroute.net/2013/06/11/ci-w13update1/

EDIT: Now it appears 744 will ply this route from mid November to the end of February... so a massive capacity boost... yet again...

Johnny Aussie
Jun 11, 2013, 10:00 PM
Air China is also showing a significant bump in flights to Beijing.

Increasing from daily (last winter) to 11 per week.

They are adding a 4 x weekly departure @ 0900 in addition to the daily flight at 1250.

Gordon
Jun 26, 2013, 3:17 PM
Gate A5 is now one of encore's gates and can only be used to ground load 737s. Has any one seen the set up is there any covered access to the planes?
This only leaves 3 jet gates on pier A

i wonder hen A1 will be back in use?

Johnny Aussie
Jun 27, 2013, 7:29 PM
Effective mid December.

Kona to daily from 4 weekly last winter.
Lihue to daily from 3 weekly last winter.
Honolulu and Kahului remain 2 daily each.

So a total of 6 daily from YVR-Hawaii. Wow.

http://westjet2.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=793

Klazu
Jun 27, 2013, 10:43 PM
Wow, that is indeed a lot of flights to Hawaii.

I would just love to fly there, but don't have the time to take a vacation there this year. :(

Johnny Aussie
Jun 28, 2013, 10:05 PM
Pretty much a summary of everything we already know. But when looked at altogether quite an impressive read. Flights up 50% compared to last summer.

http://www.biv.com/article/20130625/BIV0118/306259916/flight-frequency-to-china-soars-to-all-time-high

And here is a Global newscast clip summarising the same article.

http://www.biv.com/article/20130625/BIV878/130629959

Johnny Aussie
Jul 5, 2013, 8:16 AM
Airlineroute.net reporting EVA will be adding twice weekly 744F flights to TPE each Monday and Friday for the period 8 July - 11 August.

It's a start... getting more Asian cargo flights that is.

http://airlineroute.net/2013/07/05/brc-yvr-jul13/

Johnny Aussie
Jul 8, 2013, 3:40 AM
OK I find this hard to believe but just looking at China Eastern forward scheds on their website.

Winter is now showing double daily of their newest A330-200.

Daily departures at 12:20 and 01:30.

It is possible this is an error, but that's what is showing!

That is truly now insane growth to China in such a short period.

Johnny Aussie
Jul 8, 2013, 9:05 AM
OK I find this hard to believe but just looking at China Eastern forward scheds on their website.

Winter is now showing double daily of their newest A330-200.

Daily departures at 12:20 and 01:30.

It is possible this is an error, but that's what is showing!

That is truly now insane growth to China in such a short period.

Edit: airlineroute.net seems to corroborate this...

http://airlineroute.net/2013/07/08/mu-yvr-w13/

connect2source
Jul 8, 2013, 4:32 PM
B Pier now fully demolished except for the 'hammer head'. Please excuse the quality of the pic, shot through the filthy windows of the observation area.

photo by me:
http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag130/Dean_Ellison/IMG_3809_zps73d1f384.jpg

s211
Jul 8, 2013, 4:58 PM
Goodness. Remember when B used to be domestic flights and C was for international flights. Just a few years ago.

connect2source
Jul 8, 2013, 5:14 PM
I hope there is a better and more cohesive design planned for Pier B, Pier C is atrocious from the exterior. The extension doesn't blend, in any way, with the older part of the pier and looks very cheap, almost temporary and is not reflective of a major international gateway more akin to a small regional airport.

Gordon
Jul 8, 2013, 5:17 PM
WestJet still uses gates B17 & B18 have these gates been connected to the west end of B pier?

whatnext
Jul 8, 2013, 7:13 PM
I hope there is a better and more cohesive design planned for Pier B, Pier C is atrocious from the exterior. The extension doesn't blend, in any way, with the older part of the pier and looks very cheap, almost temporary and is not reflective of a major international gateway more akin to a small regional airport.

Who cares, as long as it works? It's a throughpoint, a means to an end, not an ultimate destination.

SpongeG
Jul 8, 2013, 9:21 PM
I hope there is a better and more cohesive design planned for Pier B, Pier C is atrocious from the exterior. The extension doesn't blend, in any way, with the older part of the pier and looks very cheap, almost temporary and is not reflective of a major international gateway more akin to a small regional airport.

have you seen laguardia? its awful outside and even worse inside talk about crappy small town feeling

trofirhen
Jul 8, 2013, 10:04 PM
have you seen laguardia? its awful outside and even worse inside talk about crappy small town feeling
Hey, I just googled LaGuadia, and boy you're right.
Ugly, utilitarian, no design theme at all ... and a control tower that looks like a salt shaker!!!
However, giving credit where it's due, isn't LaGuardia rather old as airports go?

connect2source
Jul 8, 2013, 10:26 PM
Who cares, as long as it works? It's a throughpoint, a means to an end, not an ultimate destination.

I does work and looks pretty good on the inside but airports remain testaments to great architecture worldwide and I believe far more effort could have been made here as had been made with most of the terminal improvements at yvr.

trofirhen
Jul 8, 2013, 11:50 PM
I does work and looks pretty good on the inside but airports remain testaments to great architecture worldwide and I believe far more effort could have been made here as had been made with most of the terminal improvements at yvr.
Agreed. The look and design of an airport are part of the city "signature."

Gordon
Jul 9, 2013, 2:42 AM
i wou;d suspect that Pier B will look much like pier A does now.

It would be nice if there were some renderings available.

whatnext
Jul 9, 2013, 2:19 PM
Anyone know why YVR has closed the planespotters park and ripped out the trees they planted just a couple years ago (ka-ching!)? Is it to support the roadwork on Russ Baker Way?

itinerant
Jul 9, 2013, 10:51 PM
Anyone know why YVR has closed the planespotters park and ripped out the trees they planted just a couple years ago (ka-ching!)? Is it to support the roadwork on Russ Baker Way?

You may be interested in reading this entry in YVR's blog from last March:
http://www.yvr.ca/en/blog/posts/A_vision_for_Flight_Path_Park_takes_shape.aspx.

http://www.yvr.ca/Libraries/YVR_Blog/2013_03_15_Blog_FlightPathPark_2.sflb.ashx
Copyright © 2013 Vancouver Airport

Johnny Aussie
Jul 17, 2013, 1:41 AM
Well since all the Chinese airlines have finally announced all their huge capacity increases for YVR for the winter...

... now for something really exciting!!

Sunwing is launching 1 weekly YVR-ZIH for the winter season.

:righton:

Johnny Aussie
Jul 17, 2013, 2:00 AM
I hate reading about unsubstantiated rumours, but I am on post surgery meds and feeling rather fine so I am going to break my own rule to help pass some time today.

Just starting to get some murmurs of Philippine Airlines dropping YYZ.

IF this happens, I am guessing they misjudged the YYZ market.

IF this happens, perhaps another city would be added as I seriously doubt YVR could support YVR-MNL daily on its own. Unless, of course, they just drop to a few days per week anyway.

IF this happens, San Diego was always mentioned as a possible alternative. I seriously doubt they would have another crack at Viva Las Vegas.

Edit: forgot to put a "?" in the heading! ooops.

Edit 2: airlineroute.net now showing YYZ as cancelled and YVR maintained as daily (for now I guess)

http://airlineroute.net/2013/07/17/pr-yyz-sep13/. That sure didn't last long!

ACT7
Jul 17, 2013, 4:31 PM
I hate reading about unsubstantiated rumours, but I am on post surgery meds and feeling rather fine so I am going to break my own rule to help pass some time today.

Just starting to get some murmurs of Philippine Airlines dropping YYZ.

IF this happens, I am guessing they misjudged the YYZ market.

IF this happens, perhaps another city would be added as I seriously doubt YVR could support YVR-MNL daily on its own. Unless, of course, they just drop to a few days per week anyway.

IF this happens, San Diego was always mentioned as a possible alternative. I seriously doubt they would have another crack at Viva Las Vegas.

Edit: forgot to put a "?" in the heading! ooops.

Edit 2: airlineroute.net now showing YYZ as cancelled and YVR maintained as daily (for now I guess)

http://airlineroute.net/2013/07/17/pr-yyz-sep13/. That sure didn't last long!
I think PR's yields were too low to maintain YYZ. For a 17 hour flight, if first class isn't full, the route's not going to last. This was always the concern from the beginning - that most of the traffic would be VFR, which is low-yield. PR also didn't have any alliances in Canada or NA for that matter to allow for connecting pax.

SpongeG
Jul 17, 2013, 5:09 PM
they could add edmonton or calgary, there are so many filipinos working in alberta, they all have to go via vancouver to get home - 4 people i work with all flew edmonton-yvr-phillipines in the last few months and all kinda hated the layover

Denscity
Jul 17, 2013, 5:34 PM
Well since all the Chinese airlines have finally announced all their huge capacity increases for YVR for the winter...

... now for something really exciting!!

Sunwing is launching 1 weekly YVR-ZIH for the winter season.

:righton:

That is cool! Another new destination from YVR. Have there ever been flights to ZIH before?

Derek
Jul 17, 2013, 5:44 PM
That is cool! Another new destination from YVR. Have there ever been flights to ZIH before?

It looks like Air Canada and Air Transat have previously had some flights there from YVR.

ACT7
Jul 17, 2013, 7:06 PM
they could add edmonton or calgary, there are so many filipinos working in alberta, they all have to go via vancouver to get home - 4 people i work with all flew edmonton-yvr-phillipines in the last few months and all kinda hated the layover
It's unlikely that YYC or YEG will work if the city with the largest Filipino community in Canada didn't work.

Johnny Aussie
Jul 18, 2013, 2:27 AM
^ Had a look at the latest census data from 2011 for visible minorities.

It appears the fastest growing biggest groups of visible minorities in pure numbers are Filipino and South Asian in the period 2006-2011. The numbers include immigrants, non-immigrants and non-permanent residents.

As at 2011, the following are the populations by CMA.

Filipino:
Toronto - 230,075
Vancouver - 112,090
Winnipeg - 56,670
Calgary - 49,250
Edmonton - 39,945
Montreal - 30,210
Ottawa - 10,975

South Asian:
Toronto - 833,080
Vancouver - 252,405
Calgary - 84,870
Montreal - 79,540
Edmonton - 61,135
Ottawa - 34,790
Winnipeg - 23,180

And to show where the Chinese population is in Canada:
Toronto - 531,635
Vancouver - 411,470
Calgary - 75,470
Montreal - 74,375
Edmonton - 51,675
Ottawa - 37,140
Winnipeg - 15,165

These stats should "help" explain why certain routes exist while others do not. By help I by no means imply this is the ONLY variable involved in plotting new routes.

I think sometimes people have a perception at how large a particular ethnic community is in a particular city. This does not equate to having the volume of air traffic required to make a route viable.

Johnny Aussie
Jul 18, 2013, 2:28 AM
That is cool! Another new destination from YVR. Have there ever been flights to ZIH before?

Air Canada still flies this route seasonally in the winter and has for quite a few years now.

ACT7
Jul 18, 2013, 2:52 AM
^ Had a look at the latest census data from 2011 for visible minorities.

It appears the fastest growing biggest groups of visible minorities in pure numbers are Filipino and South Asian in the period 2006-2011. The numbers include immigrants, non-immigrants and non-permanent residents.

As at 2011, the following are the populations by CMA.

Filipino:
Toronto - 230,075
Vancouver - 112,090
Winnipeg - 56,670
Calgary - 49,250
Edmonton - 39,945
Montreal - 30,210
Ottawa - 10,975

South Asian:
Toronto - 833,080
Vancouver - 252,405
Calgary - 84,870
Montreal - 79,540
Edmonton - 61,135
Ottawa - 34,790
Winnipeg - 23,180

And to show where the Chinese population is in Canada:
Toronto - 531,635
Vancouver - 411,470
Calgary - 75,470
Montreal - 74,375
Edmonton - 61,135
Ottawa - 37,140
Winnipeg - 15,165

These stats should "help" explain why certain routes exist while others do not. By help I by no means imply this is the ONLY variable involved in plotting new routes.

I think sometimes people have a perception at how large a particular ethnic community is in a particular city. This does not equate to having the volume of air traffic required to make a route viable.
Thanks for posting that. I agree, this is not the only variable. Business and transfer actually tend to be much larger factors. Which is even more of a reason PR is unlikely to start YYC or YEG.

libtard
Jul 18, 2013, 3:19 AM
Anyone know why YVR has closed the planespotters park and ripped out the trees they planted just a couple years ago (ka-ching!)? Is it to support the roadwork on Russ Baker Way?

Its called Flight Path Park

And yes what an absolute joke. After the city of Richmond sunk how many thousands into planting a ton of new trees there, they all get ripped up and a private contractor gets hired to redo the park. Why do tax payers stand for this crap

Johnny Aussie
Jul 19, 2013, 7:56 AM
Continuing from earlier here are other significant Asian visible minority populations according to the 2011 Census in the 4 largest Western Canadian cities.

Again, this information is not the only criteria used to fly a route, but it does give some explanation, for example, why say Korean Air only flies to YVR in Western Canada.

Korean:
Vancouver - 48,425
Calgary - 8,515
Edmonton - 4,800
Winnipeg - 2,715

South-East Asian (main group being Vietnamese):
Vancouver - 44,225
Calgary - 21,730
Edmonton - 16,295
Winnipeg - 7,065

West Asian (main group being Iranian):
Vancouver - 37,030
Calgary - 8,525
Edmonton - 6,785
Winnipeg - 1,975

Japanese
Vancouver - 28,345
Calgary - 5,360
Edmonton - 2,660
Winnipeg - 1,485

ACT7
Jul 19, 2013, 1:30 PM
Some of that data looks like it's from the 2006 census, if I remember correctly. In fact, in the 2006 census, the Chinese population of Toronto was 537,060. It's unlikely that has shrunk. Vancouver's was 402,000, so also unlikely that it only grew by 9,000.

Regardless, I see your point.

Johnny Aussie
Jul 19, 2013, 6:23 PM
Some of that data looks like it's from the 2006 census, if I remember correctly. In fact, in the 2006 census, the Chinese population of Toronto was 537,060. It's unlikely that has shrunk. Vancouver's was 402,000, so also unlikely that it only grew by 9,000.

Regardless, I see your point.

All of this info was extracted from the 2011 NHS from the 2011 Census. A quick dump into tabular format and a quick cut and paste and voila! I realise data can never be 100% accurate. But like you said, regardless, even given margins of error, the perception exists in certain places that seeing a lot of Filipino people on the streets of City W in Province M = logical to have a flight to Manila.

In addition, Vancouver added even more visible minority population than any other city, other than Toronto of course, between 2006 and 2011.

Again, I am not saying these are the ONLY reasons, but the geographic location of Vancouver and these population stats help explain why the vast majority of flights to Asia from Western Canada are from Vancouver.

spaceprobe
Jul 20, 2013, 12:54 AM
has this been posted on the board before?

http://www.vancouversun.com/Business/asia-pacific/China+Eastern+Airlines+doubles+flights+Vancouver/8682807/story.html

Johnny Aussie
Jul 20, 2013, 1:52 AM
has this been posted on the board before?

http://www.vancouversun.com/Business/asia-pacific/China+Eastern+Airlines+doubles+flights+Vancouver/8682807/story.html

Not this exact story. Thanks for posting.

But if you flip back through this thread you would see all my updated postings about YVR - China service increases. What is really impressive is a lot of these additions are becoming year-round (ie not just summer seasonal increases).

Denscity
Jul 20, 2013, 5:34 PM
Not this exact story. Thanks for posting.

But if you flip back through this thread you would see all my updated postings about YVR - China service increases. What is really impressive is a lot of these additions are becoming year-round (ie not just summer seasonal increases).

I just gotta say keep up the good work with the constant updating on this thread Johnny. Without you there would only be speculation and question posts. This thread should be a lot busier than it is compared to the YYC thread which seems to be added to many times a day. Well done Johnny! :tup:

Johnny Aussie
Jul 20, 2013, 9:43 PM
I just gotta say keep up the good work with the constant updating on this thread Johnny. Without you there would only be speculation and question posts. This thread should be a lot busier than it is compared to the YYC thread which seems to be added to many times a day. Well done Johnny! :tup:

Thanks for that. I'll try and keep up. :D

Well in a strange set of flip flops.

1) PR was dropping YYZ... then...
2) PR was dropping YVR to 4 flights per week... now...
3) PR is now no longer dropping YYZ... and...
4) PR will maintain YVR daily

ACT7
Jul 20, 2013, 9:51 PM
has this been posted on the board before?

http://www.vancouversun.com/Business/asia-pacific/China+Eastern+Airlines+doubles+flights+Vancouver/8682807/story.html
So I'm curious, with all the Asian route expansion, one has to wonder how well it's working. What I mean is that year-to-date Asia-Pacific traffic at YVR has increased by 8,771 pax. On average, that works out to about 15 pax per day. Add to that fact that the increase in Asia-Pacific traffic has not been enough to offset the decrease in other international traffic, since overall international traffic this year is down. Actually, overall traffic is down by almost 75K.

The other big 3 airports are also down in international traffic with YYZ taking the biggest hit due to a loss of Air India and a decrease in capacity from CX.

I think the announcement is good news but I also have to wonder how much chest thumping is going on with the province and the airport authority. No question that frequency of flights to China is the most in NA, but I think some perspective on actual growth is also needed.

ACT7
Jul 20, 2013, 9:52 PM
Thanks for that. I'll try and keep up. :D

Well in a strange set of flip flops.

1) PR was dropping YYZ... then...
2) PR was dropping YVR to 4 flights per week... now...
3) PR is now no longer dropping YYZ... and...
4) PR will maintain YVR daily
Huh? So status quo really for PR.

Johnny Aussie
Jul 20, 2013, 11:56 PM
Huh? So status quo really for PR.

Yup. PR seems to beat to a different drum.

As for the YVR-Asia increases. I believe most are just coming online now and as I said now year-round. So I would expect to see the increases in numbers start in June. Who knows, maybe the capacity isn't being filled as much as thought.

In theory as China continues to open up... Just a matter of time before the flood gates really open as is being the case here in Australia.

usog
Jul 21, 2013, 12:09 AM
Strictly anecdotal but the fact that the additional China flights go to places other than Beijing are a huge difference. I know many students/immigrants in general who take China Eastern because they're from the Shanghai/coastal area, and I doubt they'd have problems filling the flights as long as prices are competitive. The only non-business people flying Air China/Air Canada to China nowadays are Northerners/North-Easterners from what I can see.

teriyaki
Jul 21, 2013, 1:37 AM
Thanks for that. I'll try and keep up. :D

Well in a strange set of flip flops.

1) PR was dropping YYZ... then...
2) PR was dropping YVR to 4 flights per week... now...
3) PR is now no longer dropping YYZ... and...
4) PR will maintain YVR daily

Someone in that accounting department is not very confident with their projections:shrug:

Johnny Aussie
Jul 21, 2013, 1:43 AM
Someone in that accounting department is not very confident with their projections:shrug:

I hear next week they will announce daily Winnipeg service via Edmonton.

Hourglass
Jul 21, 2013, 2:48 AM
So I'm curious, with all the Asian route expansion, one has to wonder how well it's working. What I mean is that year-to-date Asia-Pacific traffic at YVR has increased by 8,771 pax. On average, that works out to about 15 pax per day. Add to that fact that the increase in Asia-Pacific traffic has not been enough to offset the decrease in other international traffic, since overall international traffic this year is down. Actually, overall traffic is down by almost 75K.

The other big 3 airports are also down in international traffic with YYZ taking the biggest hit due to a loss of Air India and a decrease in capacity from CX.

I think the announcement is good news but I also have to wonder how much chest thumping is going on with the province and the airport authority. No question that frequency of flights to China is the most in NA, but I think some perspective on actual growth is also needed.

I think the difference here is that in absolute terms, the overall number of flights to/from Asia has remained relatively flat. For instance, a few years ago, there were daily flights to Osaka and Fukuoka in addition to the Tokyo flights. Now only Tokyo is left. SQ no longer flies to YVR. HKG at one point had 30 weekly flights from CX, AC and Oasis, now it's 3x per day. Taipei has been flat for many years. So while the number of China flights has increased, the total number of Asian flights hasn't.

twoNeurons
Jul 21, 2013, 5:48 AM
I think the difference here is that in absolute terms, the overall number of flights to/from Asia has remained relatively flat. For instance, a few years ago, there were daily flights to Osaka and Fukuoka in addition to the Tokyo flights. Now only Tokyo is left. SQ no longer flies to YVR. HKG at one point had 30 weekly flights from CX, AC and Oasis, now it's 3x per day. Taipei has been flat for many years. So while the number of China flights has increased, the total number of Asian flights hasn't.

Cool. I don't remember Fukuoka flights. I do think that the increased traffic through Seoul and the additional direct flights to Tokyo and other Chinese cities has really killed Osaka though. Kansai int'l was built along similar lines as Mirabel, except that it has a fast rail connection and a much larger surrounding population than Montreal had. They wanted Osaka to be a major hub, but the clout of Tokyo, the collapse of the Japanese economic bubble the relative inconvenience of the airport and the rise of Incheon as a major hub really stifled KIX.

It still had a chance to be a relief airport for Narita, but the central government decided to expand Haneda to compete with Seoul. A good move, no doubt, though a bit late. That being said, Tokyo has no problem supporting both airports. It's Tokyo, after all.

Valley_Refugee
Jul 21, 2013, 10:56 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if we see PR drop Canada service altogether soon...? Not sure if AC would deem it worth trying a YYZ-YVR-MNL same plane service on a new 787 (something akin to the YYZ-YVR-SYD service on a 77L, where the YYZ-YVR service is a separate domestic flight).

Hourglass
Jul 21, 2013, 3:32 PM
Cool. I don't remember Fukuoka flights.

Sorry, brain spasm, meant Nagoya, not Fukuoka.

Valley_Refugee
Jul 23, 2013, 4:38 AM
*Looks around...waits for Johnny_Aussie...*

Okay, I'll post it then ;)

WestJet Encore Western Canada service expansions, from airlineroute.net:

http://airlineroute.net/2013/07/22/ws3-w13/

YVR-YYJ From 1 to 3 daily
YVR-YKA New 1 daily
YVR-YXT (Terrace) New 2 daily
YVR-YXS 2 of 4 daily by Encore (increase of 1 daily overall, but prob about same capacity as all 3 dailies were 737s before)

Johnny Aussie
Jul 23, 2013, 5:08 AM
*Looks around...waits for Johnny_Aussie...*

Okay, I'll post it then ;)

WestJet Encore Western Canada service expansions, from airlineroute.net:

http://airlineroute.net/2013/07/22/ws3-w13/

YVR-YYJ From 1 to 3 daily
YVR-YKA New 1 daily
YVR-YXT (Terrace) New 2 daily
YVR-YXS 2 of 4 daily by Encore (increase of 1 daily overall, but prob about same capacity as all 3 dailies were 737s before)

Sorry been busy! Thanks for posting.

1 of 3 daily YLW also being transferred to Encore.
Most else pretty much status quo other than the additional Hawaii flying.

Johnny Aussie
Jul 24, 2013, 10:38 AM
Westjet is increasing YVR to 396 weekly frequencies compared to 333 last winter. Overall, this is up 63 flight per week.

Mainline will be 327 vs 333 last year so a loss of only 6 per week. Encore will have 69 flights per week.

YVR highlights (compared to last winter): new routes to YXJ, YKA, YXT, YYJ, increased flying to YXS, KOA and LIH.

LeftCoaster
Jul 24, 2013, 7:52 PM
63 flight increase in one year? That's a 19% increase in plane movements.

Must be smaller planes or something cause that is a huge jump.

Johnny Aussie
Jul 25, 2013, 11:46 PM
http://yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/June_Traffic_Update.sflb.ashx

As expected June seems to be a turning point.

All sectors up....

Leading the way is Europe scheduled up 16.3% - LH to MUC take a bow.
Miscellaneous International up a remarkable 21%!
Transborder up 4.9% as expected... cruise traffic growing again. Transborder approaching that 400k mark in a month again.
Scheduled Asia/Pacific up 3.2% - expect that to go skyrocket in July as most increases to China took place towards end of June and into July.
Domestic up a healthy 4.1%.

trofirhen
Jul 26, 2013, 1:18 AM
http://yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/June_Traffic_Update.sflb.ashx

As expected June seems to be a turning point.

All sectors up....

Leading the way is Europe scheduled up 16.3% - LH to MUC take a bow.
Miscellaneous International up a remarkable 21%!
Transborder up 4.9% as expected... cruise traffic growing again. Transborder approaching that 400k mark in a month again.
Scheduled Asia/Pacific up 3.2% - expect that to go skyrocket in July as most increases to China took place towards end of June and into July.
Domestic up a healthy 4.1%.
Interesting also that same-plane transit was up by 7.8%. Which sector this is largely due to, wish I knew, but I hope it's an indicator, at least in part, that we're moving away a little from being largely a "spoke" city, at least on Transborder and European routes.

Also, can you give an example of "miscellaneous international?" Would these be largely charter flights? And to which possible destinations? Or is it otherwise?

trofirhen
Jul 26, 2013, 1:22 AM
63 flight increase in one year? That's a 19% increase in plane movements.

Must be smaller planes or something cause that is a huge jump.
I think Westjet Encore probably contributes largely to it.

Johnny Aussie
Jul 26, 2013, 1:55 AM
Sunwing has updated its winter program again.

YVR is being bumped up to 16 weekly flights from 12 in the prior year.

New route to ZIH and one additional to VRA, CUN and SJD.

Johnny Aussie
Jul 26, 2013, 1:57 AM
I think Westjet Encore probably contributes largely to it.

I think my post is fairly evident this is the case. Good news for YVR is that the gain in Encore is NOT at the expense of losing mainline.

Johnny Aussie
Jul 26, 2013, 2:00 AM
Interesting also that same-plane transit was up by 7.8%. Which sector this is largely due to,

Also, can you give an example of "miscellaneous international?" Would these be largely charter flights? And to which possible destinations? Or is it otherwise?

I am guessing this is the Philippine Airlines to YYZ. "Same-plane transit" is just that "same plane." I think it also includes some of the CX to JFK. "Same-plane" from HKG through to New York.

Miscellaneous International, I believe, is all the sun destination stuff. Mexico, Caribbean etc. The bump would be to the Sunwing summer program I think mainly.

red-paladin
Jul 30, 2013, 3:39 AM
Is the North South Taxiway plan still on hold?

Jebby
Jul 30, 2013, 8:21 AM
Is the North South Taxiway plan still on hold?

Yes. Indefinitely.

Gordon
Jul 30, 2013, 2:16 PM
I thought YVR considered that an important project for future growth.

osirisboy
Jul 30, 2013, 2:46 PM
I heard that its on hold now but is still in the plan down the road

Johnny Aussie
Aug 3, 2013, 9:13 AM
Just looking later in August and noted the following:

SFO: going to be pretty much all mainline on the 5 daily flights. Only 1 weekly frequency will be on Express. Also, tending to larger aircraft as well.

EWR: huge bump from the daily 319 to a 739.

DEN: tending to larger a/c as well.

Johnny Aussie
Aug 3, 2013, 10:18 PM
AS upping its two later afternoon flights to LAX to 739s. Previously just the last flight was.

DL to JFK changing their daily JFK to the 73H from 738.
Big difference is the 73H has individual video monitors. So a good upgrade in service for those who like that.

Johnny Aussie
Aug 6, 2013, 10:13 PM
From 18 Dec - 5 Jan Sunwing will fly 15 return trips from YYZ-YVR. Flights arrive in YVR at 2305 and depart back to YYZ at 2355.

If I recall in prior years they only flew a handful of flights over the peak period. I think maybe a total of 6 return trips.

YYCspotter
Aug 7, 2013, 6:57 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-21/lufthansa-cuts-to-shrink-first-class-fleet-below-british-airways.html

YVR is going to lose first class service with LH. The only long haul plane in their fleet that doesn't have first class is the A340-300 with 44J seats and 222Y seats.

Edit: this was announced in February. lol i'm an idiot.

Johnny Aussie
Aug 7, 2013, 7:25 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-21/lufthansa-cuts-to-shrink-first-class-fleet-below-british-airways.html

YVR is going to lose first class service with LH. The only long haul plane in their fleet that doesn't have first class is the A340-300 with 44J seats and 222Y seats.

Edit: this was announced in February. lol i'm an idiot.

Since this was announced, Lufthansa actually announced they are upgauging the YVR-FRA flight to a 346 from a 343 year-round (previously they flew 346 in the summer and 343 in the winter). The 346s definitely have F. So perhaps a change of plan?

Johnny Aussie
Aug 8, 2013, 1:28 AM
Just looking at Air Canada's July pax stats released today.

Saw this interesting little footnote.... ummm... yeah?! How many years have they been reporting YVR-SYD incorrectly?

* Australia has been reclassified to "Pacific" from "Latin America & Caribbean".

Unbelievable!!

Hourglass
Aug 10, 2013, 2:36 PM
Just looking at Air Canada's July pax stats released today.

Saw this interesting little footnote.... ummm... yeah?! How many years have they been reporting YVR-SYD incorrectly?

* Australia has been reclassified to "Pacific" from "Latin America & Caribbean".

Unbelievable!!

Explains a lot... ;)

Seriously, though, if you look at traffic reports from previous months, it is classified 'Latin America, Caribbean and Other.'

IIRC, SYD is Air Canada's only Pacific route at the moment (not incl Hawaii). Now the route is successful, they're simply breaking it out for reporting purposes. Being very optimistic, it could also signify future routes to Oz / NZ once the 787s arrive (MEL or BNE?).

trofirhen
Aug 10, 2013, 3:33 PM
Explains a lot... ;)

Seriously, though, if you look at traffic reports from previous months, it is classified 'Latin America, Caribbean and Other.'

IIRC, SYD is Air Canada's only Pacific route at the moment (not incl Hawaii). Now the route is successful, they're simply breaking it out for reporting purposes. Being very optimistic, it could also signify future routes to Oz / NZ once the 787s arrive (MEL or BNE?).
Wouldn't it be great to see Vancouver as a mini South Pacific hub, with sched flights not only to SYD and AUK, but also BNE and (the most probable one) MEL?

YYCspotter
Aug 10, 2013, 4:07 PM
Wouldn't it be great to see Vancouver as a mini South Pacific hub, with sched flights not only to SYD and AUK, but also BNE and (the most probable one) MEL?

Air Canada has publicly stated that BNE is now the more favourable choice as their second Australian gateway rather than MEL.

http://www.traveldaily.com.au/news/air-canada-787s-for-bne/161809
http://www.travelweekly.com.au/news/...ait-for-air-canada-premium-economy

trofirhen
Aug 10, 2013, 4:16 PM
Air Canada has publicly stated that BNE is now the more favourable choice as their second Australian gateway rather than MEL.

http://www.traveldaily.com.au/news/air-canada-787s-for-bne/161809
http://www.travelweekly.com.au/news/...ait-for-air-canada-premium-economy
Interesting. That must be due to fuel costs (BNE being a shorter route). Melbourne is such a larger market, and the one most often talked about as next-up-after-Sydney.

Johnny Aussie
Aug 11, 2013, 1:30 AM
Interesting. That must be due to fuel costs (BNE being a shorter route). Melbourne is such a larger market, and the one most often talked about as next-up-after-Sydney.

Being selfish I would prefer YVR-MEL nonstop! For my three x a year treks to Canada I always fly AC via SYD or NZ via AKL. When I fly via AKL it's NZ all the way. When I fly AC via SYD I always fly Virgin (I have status with them) up the night before and fly SYD-YVR on a separate ticket (AC still uses QF for its connections in Australia). So when I fly from SYD the marketing people would think I am a SYD originating passenger. Doesn't really help the MEL-Canada stats. But I am only 1 person (sometimes 2).

Gordon
Aug 14, 2013, 6:47 PM
The YVR Conncetions blog is doing a video series on the Pier A\B project

Johnny Aussie
Aug 22, 2013, 11:37 AM
LH just loaded a 744 on the YVR-FRA route for the period 29 January - 29 March 2014. Remember last winter this was operated by a 343 for the entire winter season. This year it is a 346 except now for the period mentioned will be 744.

Also YVR-MUC commencing on 28 April next year. Daily 333 as last summer. Last year this route commenced on 16 May, so a few weeks earlier.

Johnny Aussie
Aug 22, 2013, 11:55 AM
Virgin Atlantic just loaded their next summer scheds as well.

Flights kick off 13 May 2014 and run Tues, Wed, Thurs and Sat on Airbus 343.

Flight times slightly different from this summer. They will be a bit earlier.

Denscity
Aug 22, 2013, 7:18 PM
LH just loaded a 744 on the YVR-FRA route for the period 29 January - 29 March 2014. Remember last winter this was operated by a 343 for the entire winter season. This year it is a 346 except now for the period mentioned will be 744.

Also YVR-MUC commencing on 28 April next year. Daily 333 as last summer. Last year this route commenced on 16 May, so a few weeks earlier.

Oh ya the more 747s the better!! :tup:

SFUVancouver
Aug 22, 2013, 7:24 PM
I haven't been to the airport in close to a year, so I haven't seen first-hand how the designer outlet mall is progressing. Could anyone who frequents the area offer an update? Are they still at the site prep stage?