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Denscity
Jan 28, 2014, 7:49 PM
WestJet magic plane will be in YVR today, ETA 4:10 pm. Hasn't been in YVR since December 28.

Does Alaska Airlines also have a Disney plane? I saw one with full Dysney graphics down the side with Minnie towards the front saying "Were going to Alaska" on jan 17th.

Johnny Aussie
Jan 28, 2014, 8:22 PM
Starting summer scheds PDX going to 3 daily.

Additional daily flight being added at 12:15.

AS has been ramping up PDX so this seems to be a part of that.

Gordon
Jan 28, 2014, 9:02 PM
I wonder why WEstJet doesn't code Share with Alaska on Sea & PDX

craneSpotter
Jan 28, 2014, 9:40 PM
Does Alaska Airlines also have a Disney plane? I saw one with full Dysney graphics down the side with Minnie towards the front saying "Were going to Alaska" on jan 17th.

Alaska has 4 Disney themed planes. I've seen the "Tinkerbell" one at YVR, and also the "Cars" one at Seatac.

Acey
Jan 28, 2014, 10:15 PM
ETA now 3:42 PST, flight 713 from YYZ. Westjet's looks better than Alaska's Disney planes for sure.

city-dweller
Jan 28, 2014, 11:05 PM
I hope there is a good reason the site design isn't flipped with the shops closer to the train station.

I was thinking the same thing.

If you navigate here (http://www.yvr.ca/en/business-at-YVR/Development/Shopping-Outlet/Location-Traffic-Environment.aspx) on the YVR website, you find a conflicting statement to the picture:

TRAFFIC & PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION
Feasibility testing conducted by Vancouver Airport Authority showed that the Designer Outlet Centre, which will be located on the northeast corner of Sea Island near the Templeton Canada Line Station, will have minimal impact on traffic flow. The preferred location provides direct access to the Canada Line rapid-transit line that connects YVR to Richmond and Vancouver.

tovan
Jan 29, 2014, 12:19 AM
'direct access' meaning the leased lot/property is directly adjacent to the skytrain station.

Valley_Refugee
Jan 29, 2014, 6:41 PM
Additional reason is that once the employee long term parking was moved to Templeton area, the employee lot was given most favoured customer status and gets to park as close to the station as possible. IIRC the templeton lot is used by Vancouver origin flight crews, currently only AC and CX have a crew base at YVR, but WS could implement a crew base at any time.

WestJet is already in the process of implementing a base at YVR (and YYZ). Some FA friends of mine were given a choice last year of staying in YYC base or moving to YVR or YYZ.

Johnny Aussie
Jan 31, 2014, 5:53 AM
A Rouge 763 operating as ROU7081 is enroute from YYZ to YVR right now

At FL 400 just north of Radium Hot Springs.

Due to arrive YVR @ 2239.

Could this be for an announcement tomorrow?

teriyaki
Jan 31, 2014, 6:47 PM
Thats a very good catch. Would this be the first time a Rouge aircraft has been in YVR? If it is, it likely is in for something special. With all the murmurings we've been hearing, the time is ripe!

Gordon
Jan 31, 2014, 7:36 PM
Would Rouge consider YVR - PSP as Seasonal winter route?

excel
Jan 31, 2014, 7:54 PM
Thats a very good catch. Would this be the first time a Rouge aircraft has been in YVR? If it is, it likely is in for something special. With all the murmurings we've been hearing, the time is ripe!

Not the first time no. I saw a Rouge 767 at YVR in the fall. Not sure what it was doing here. Probably was still acting as a regular AC flight at the time and repositioning to YYZ.

Genauso
Jan 31, 2014, 8:51 PM
A Rouge 763 operating as ROU7081 is enroute from YYZ to YVR right now

You're the best JohnnyAussie. I'll keep an eye out on Monday morning for the impending press release.

Johnny Aussie
Jan 31, 2014, 9:06 PM
You're the best JohnnyAussie. I'll keep an eye out on Monday morning for the impending press release.

Thanks. Well we all know an announcement is imminent.

Perhaps this also coincides with their FA recruiting days happening today and tomorrow.

It would be nice if they actually launch a new route or two and not just transfer routes from AC.

Johnny Aussie
Jan 31, 2014, 9:08 PM
Would Rouge consider YVR - PSP as Seasonal winter route?

I am sure any current sun destination route operated by AC/WG/TS/WS would be considered... Perhaps we'll get pleasantly surprised with something completely different.

Cage
Jan 31, 2014, 10:36 PM
ROU7081 was a 763 aircraft destined for SIN for conversion work from mainline 763 to rouge format. flight path is yyz-yvr-icn-sin. The aircraft will get a fresh coat of paint, new seats, new ife, new cabin configuration.

I don't know for sure but the rouge 763 are going to get winglets, perhaps this is the first aircraft for the winglet conversion and that why its headed to SIN.

mezzanine
Feb 1, 2014, 4:41 AM
Monday morning? Don't forget about JAL's 787 (the first one for YVR) arriving on the same day...

Boeing 787 on Final Approach to YVR
January 08, 2014

Richmond, BC: Vancouver International Airport (YVR) ushered in the Year of the Dreamliner today with Japan Airlines’ announcement that it will begin Boeing 787 operations on its daily non-stop service between YVR and Tokyo’s Narita Airport (NRT) beginning Monday, February 3, 2014. This inaugural will mark the first-ever scheduled arrival of a Boeing 787 Dreamliner to YVR.

http://www.yvr.ca/en/flight-information/latest-information/14-01-08/boeing_787_on_final_approach_to_yvr.aspx

Denscity
Feb 2, 2014, 2:42 AM
A Rouge 763 operating as ROU7081 is enroute from YYZ to YVR right now

At FL 400 just north of Radium Hot Springs.

Due to arrive YVR @ 2239.

Could this be for an announcement tomorrow?

I saw this Rouge taxiing when I landed around midnight last night. It parked on its own out on the Tarmac not at a gate.

Also the Canada Post facility looks massive and really good at night with all the exterior lighting including many red beacon lights.

Denscity
Feb 2, 2014, 7:01 PM
Just saw an ANA ad on the outside of a sky train car. "Vancouver to Tokyo Haneda coming March..."

SpongeG
Feb 4, 2014, 8:59 PM
Boeing 787 Dreamliner makes first landing in Vancouver

http://bc.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1668784!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_1020/image.jpg

http://bc.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1668791!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_1020/image.jpg

http://bc.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1668788!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_1020/image.jpg

The Boeing 787 will be used by Japan Airlines on the existing Tokyo Narita-Vancouver route once a week and will be phased into the regular daily service currently being flown by a Boeing 767 beginning March 30. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Darryl Dyck

more pics at source: http://bc.ctvnews.ca/more/photo-galleries/boeing-787-dreamliner-makes-first-landing-in-vancouver-1.1668925

lightrail
Feb 4, 2014, 9:17 PM
If that is the case, then I would tell friends/family not from the Lower Mainland to take the Canada Line to Templeton, and then get a ticket at that station to avoid the $5 surcharge.

And when I have to pick up people at YVR, I would park at the free parking lot and take the free ride to YVR (and back).

I am pretty sure it will take more than a minute and a half to get from the Station to the Mall. But then, Skytrain has this annoying habit of not having their Stations as near the malls as possible. Surrey Central, Brentwood, Metrotown, (at least it's covered--for now), Lougheed, Coquitlam Centre, Landsdowne, Aberdeen. Only Richmond Centre, Pacific Centre and Oakridge are really close to their stations.

The $5 surcharge applies from all Sea Island Stations when leaving Sea Island, not just the airport station. And further, Translink has applied to have the surcharge apply when you use tickets or days passes - they're currently exempt from the surcharge.

mezzanine
Feb 5, 2014, 6:45 AM
http://bc.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1668788!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_1020/image.jpg


more pics at source: http://bc.ctvnews.ca/more/photo-galleries/boeing-787-dreamliner-makes-first-landing-in-vancouver-1.1668925

NIce. I like how they went with a 2+4+2 layout in economy rather than a 3+3+3.

Johnny Aussie
Feb 5, 2014, 7:53 AM
Korean Air is boosting summer capacity to a daily 744 replacing the daily 772 from 20 June to 8 Sept.

This is the normal seasonal adjustment.

Source: http://airlineroute.net/2014/02/05/ke-s14update1

Johnny Aussie
Feb 5, 2014, 8:00 AM
I wonder why WEstJet doesn't code Share with Alaska on Sea & PDX

Funny you should ask. Not Alaska, but they will with Delta.

Effective 4 June, Westjet will codeshare on all 5 daily YVR-SEA Delta flights.

https://www.westjet.com/guest/en/flights/when-we-fly.shtml

Flights are loaded in Westjet's online schedules now.

Gordon
Feb 5, 2014, 1:37 PM
Delta is one of Wetjet's larger Codeshare partners. I have always wondered why WestJet & Alaska don't Code share seing hat Gregg Saretzky Wesjet's CEO used to be an executive with Alaska

Cage
Feb 5, 2014, 5:38 PM
Delta is one of Wetjet's larger Codeshare partners. I have always wondered why WestJet & Alaska don't Code share seing hat Gregg Saretzky Wesjet's CEO used to be an executive with Alaska

Prior to WS going transborder, AS had a significant more market penetration in YVR and YYC. WS transborder expansion pretty much eats up the AS market. For example AS used to have 35-40 departures out of YVR, today there is less than 1/2 that number. In YYC instance, there used to be daily 737 service to SEA together with 2x daily Q400 service plus daily 737 to LAX; today its 3x daily with Q400.

Cage
Feb 5, 2014, 5:43 PM
NIce. I like how they went with a 2+4+2 layout in economy rather than a 3+3+3.

In the picture quoted above the seats are exactly the same between 2-4-2 and 3-3-3 layout. The only difference is aisle width. Additionally the JAL seats do not recline, instead they slide forward to take up the reclining pax legroom. For this reason JAL seat pitch is 33-34 inches while AC is 31 inches, the additional three inches are taken up when seat is reclined.

For a true comparison, check out ANA economy seat pictures, you will notice the middle section has a double arm rest between middle seats E and F.

excel
Feb 5, 2014, 8:58 PM
YVR's 747 count looks pretty good for this summer. Off the top of my head:

2 Daily British Airways
Eva Air
China Airlines
Lufthansa
Korean Air
Air New Zealand possibly?
Cathay Pacific Cargo? 747-800

A possible 8 in one day?

Johnny Aussie
Feb 6, 2014, 6:56 AM
YVR's 747 count looks pretty good for this summer. Off the top of my head:

2 Daily British Airways
Eva Air
China Airlines
Lufthansa
Korean Air
Air New Zealand possibly?
Cathay Pacific Cargo? 747-800

A possible 8 in one day?

BA is actually 12 weekly in the summer
CI right now is showing daily 343 right now - could move to a 744 though
NZ unlikely 744 as they are being phased out anyway so still a 772

But the rest still hanging in there.... so potentially 6 in one day :-)

excel
Feb 6, 2014, 7:24 AM
I've seen CI with a 47 quite a bit recently. Is that just in the winter?

Johnny Aussie
Feb 6, 2014, 8:45 AM
I've seen CI with a 47 quite a bit recently. Is that just in the winter?

Sorry I meant summer scheds showing 343 right now... But yes definitely right now they are using the 744.

twoNeurons
Feb 7, 2014, 8:01 PM
NIce. I like how they went with a 2+4+2 layout in economy rather than a 3+3+3.

I'd be surprised if JAL did a 3+3+3 on a 787 on an international route!

777s are quite a bit wider and typically use a 3+3+3. Does JAL have a 3+3+3 configuration on domestic routes? I can only see it working on domestic Asian routes.

Johnny Aussie
Feb 9, 2014, 9:50 PM
Sunwing's summer program is showing 5 weekly YVR-YYZ flights. This is up from 3 in previous years.

YYZ-YVR operates on Mondays, Tuesdays (2 flights), Wednesdays and Fridays.

YVR-YYZ operates on Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays.

Johnny Aussie
Feb 10, 2014, 7:23 AM
Stand by...

Over the next few days looks like AC is updating its summer scheds.

787s being put on YYZ-YUL in May June and July... Look for more additions soon.

Also, LAX and SFO are being upguaged to 319s on all daily flights.
Therefore, all mainline AC transborder flights will be operated by 319s.
YYZ will see at least one of each widebody flight per day. 763, 333, 77L and the 77W (both the 2 class and the 3 class)
As mentioned previously, YOW will have one daily 763 in addition to the 2 daily 320s.
YMM going to 3 daily CRJs.
Nothing much else yet....

mezzanine
Feb 10, 2014, 8:33 AM
I'd be surprised if JAL did a 3+3+3 on a 787 on an international route!

777s are quite a bit wider and typically use a 3+3+3. Does JAL have a 3+3+3 configuration on domestic routes? I can only see it working on domestic Asian routes.

It was a few years ago, but I remember the YVR-NRT JAL 3+3+3....

[shudders]

whatnext
Feb 10, 2014, 6:33 PM
Stand by...

Over the next few days looks like AC is updating its summer scheds.

787s being put on YYZ-YUL in May June and July... Look for more additions soon.

Also, LAX and SFO are being upguaged to 319s on all daily flights.
Therefore, all mainline AC transborder flights will be operated by 319s.
YYZ will see at least one of each widebody flight per day. 763, 333, 77L and the 77W (both the 2 class and the 3 class)
As mentioned previously, YOW will have one daily 763 in addition to the 2 daily 320s.
YMM going to 3 daily CRJs.
Nothing much else yet....

Are you sure those won't be Rouge 319's?

I'll be sorry to the E190's go from LAX. Comfortable little plane.

Johnny Aussie
Feb 10, 2014, 6:52 PM
Are you sure those won't be Rouge 319's?

I'll be sorry to the E190's go from LAX. Comfortable little plane.

Certainly a possibility. Guess we will all know soon!

Genauso
Feb 11, 2014, 5:09 PM
http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac11/genauso/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140210_125300_zps4g6dhyuo.jpg (http://s881.photobucket.com/user/genauso/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140210_125300_zps4g6dhyuo.jpg.html)
Quick snap of some construction around the domestic terminal

I also took a few of all the recent construction in Richmond near No 3 Rd, and towards Vancouver at the Safeway redevelopment about 70th & Granville -- they didn't turn out at all, but there's now a very different look and feel leaving the airport than just 10 years ago. Seeds of what's to come

source: me, yesterday

officedweller
Feb 13, 2014, 4:16 AM
Stantec has a drawing of the designer outlet mall here:

http://www.stantec.com/content/stantec/en/our-work/projects/canada-projects/v/vancouver-designer-outlet.html

Looks like the roof will be flat - with storefronts carried back just a bit - amusement park style...

spm2013
Feb 13, 2014, 4:40 AM
I don't think any of us expected anything else :)

red-paladin
Feb 13, 2014, 5:12 AM
Maybe it will be called Potemkin Village Mall? :P

Millennium2002
Feb 13, 2014, 6:31 AM
I was hoping for a few offices above the mall, but nah... that's wishful thinking apparently.

Kapten
Feb 13, 2014, 10:43 PM
Westjet encore is eliminating its daily flight to YKA per News 1130:
http://www.news1130.com/2014/02/13/westjet-ends-service-between-vancouver-and-kamloops/ .

I tried this service once in January. The Q400 prop is nice but I did notice that the flight was only about 25% full.

Cage
Feb 13, 2014, 10:51 PM
ohhh the indignity!!!!!!

So when can I expect letter from Ian Black deriding the loss of service to Vancouver.

:cheers:

On a more serious note, this comment from Robert Palmer really grinds my gears:
Company spokesman Rober Palmer says the Encore fleet expands to 16 aircraft by the end of this year and the additional capacity could allow it to return to the southern Interior city.

If the flight is not profitable now, why would it be profitable when the airlines gets to 16 aircraft. Also noted that this flight is not being dropped in order to expand services elsewhere in the system, so the flying is being permanently dropped.

Denscity
Feb 13, 2014, 11:06 PM
Was it Encore or just WestJet in Kamloops?

Kapten
Feb 13, 2014, 11:32 PM
Was it Encore or just WestJet in Kamloops?

Encore.

trofirhen
Feb 13, 2014, 11:55 PM
Maybe it will be called Potemkin Village Mall? :P
:haha::haha: Best gag I've heard on this thread for who-knows-how-long! You got it !!!

deasine
Feb 14, 2014, 12:59 AM
I can tell you load factors on the AC YVR-YKA flights are really high (many peak time flights are frequently overbooked). The problem with the WS service is there's not enough of it. You need to have mass in order to compete in these niche markets and WS does not have this. On top of this, WS does not have a big feed to support YKA-YVR-onward traffic. A reliance on O&D traffic coupled with the fact that there are few flight times is potentially the cause of low load factors. It probably makes more sense for Encore to use its extra flight now to increase frequencies on other Encore services to develop mass.

casper
Feb 15, 2014, 4:38 AM
ohhh the indignity!!!!!!

So when can I expect letter from Ian Black deriding the loss of service to Vancouver.

:cheers:

On a more serious note, this comment from Robert Palmer really grinds my gears:


If the flight is not profitable now, why would it be profitable when the airlines gets to 16 aircraft. Also noted that this flight is not being dropped in order to expand services elsewhere in the system, so the flying is being permanently dropped.

I think you have to look at it from the perspective of optimizing profit. They have n aircraft and the want to make the most profit possible. In a year or two when they all their Q400 aircraft they might go after a less profitable route.

craneSpotter
Feb 18, 2014, 8:40 PM
Aircraft change on MNL-YVR, if anyone if flying it next month.

Philippine Airlines March 2014 Manila – Vancouver Operation Changes

Philippine Airlines from 01MAR14 to 29MAR14 is adjusting operational aircraft on Manila – Vancouver service. Planned 4 of 7 weekly Airbus A340-300 operation during this month, will be cancelled and switch back to Boeing 777-300ER aircraft.

Klazu
Feb 23, 2014, 8:05 PM
Chuck Chiang: Why the Dreamliner is good for business at YVR

YVR officials have dubbed 2014 the year of the Dreamliner. Based on the first two months of the year, they weren’t kidding.

The Boeing-produced 787 Dreamliner has been one of the most anticipated wide-body passenger aircraft in recent aviation history. Since the plane was unveiled in 2007, airline industry officials have touted its lighter composite construction and energy-efficient engines, which together give it a 20-per-cent greater fuel efficiency than similar-sized older aircraft.

That, the industry experts said, means carriers could both reach markets not feasible with older technology and serve existing markets with higher efficiency.

In February alone, YVR has seen the fruits of that promise — twice.

Japan Airlines (JAL) landed the first Dreamliner as part of a regularly scheduled passenger service route at YVR on Feb. 3. Then last week a second airline, Guangzhou-based China Southern Airlines, also flew the Dreamliner to the Lower Mainland.

What does this mean for YVR and Vancouver’s pursuit of more passengers, routes and business?

At the very least, it appears that the city’s abundant Asian air links can be more effectively maintained.

There are currently more than 70 direct flights between Vancouver and Chinese destinations every week, more than any other airport in North America. In addition, All Nippon Airways’ new service to Tokyo-Haneda and JAL’s 787 announcement has re-focused Japan has an access point to East Asia. Service to airports such as Seoul-Incheon and Taipei are also viable options with this aircraft.

Some have questioned this many — even for a region as closely linked to Asia as Metro Vancouver — can make sense long-term economically. After all Vancouver’s population, economic clout and air service demand is still dwarfed just on the Pacific Coast by that of Los Angeles, San Francisco and Seattle, and that’s not counting rising challenges from places like Calgary and Toronto).

But one of the 787’s main advantages is that it can allow carriers to serve destinations with moderate demand at a much lower operating cost. And for a medium-size market like Vancouver (with a dedicated and sizable — albeit smaller — group of international travellers compared to some other cities), that could be the difference between having and not having a route in the long term.

Japan Airlines officials have already said they studied the profit potential of switching from its older 767s — with 232 seats — to the new 187-seat Dreamliners for its Tokyo-Vancouver route before deciding to phase in the new aircraft.

While Japan Airlines will gradually increase the frequency of using 787s to serve the YVR to Tokyo-Narita route until it becomes a daily occurrence in March, China Southern has taken a more aggressive strategy. It switched all its daily Vancouver-Guangzhou flights to the Dreamliner effective immediately. Officials from the airline said they would have done it sooner, had delays in the planes’ delivery from Boeing not happened.

This allows China Southern to more efficiently serve Vancouver while it looks to aggressively bolster its Guangzhou hub — already having similar geographical advantages as neighbouring Hong Kong — to challenge other Asian airports for international travellers’ business. (Incidentally, the carrier announced a Guangzhou-New York direct service, days after making the Vancouver announcement.)

This isn’t taking into account Air Canada’s expected fleet of 787s; the carrier will start taking delivery of its Dreamliners this spring. While it is not a sure bet if Vancouver will see these aircraft, conventional wisdom — and the fact that YVR remains Canada’s pre-eminent gateway to the Asia-Pacific region — says that it is likely.

So, expect more Dreamliners landing and taking off at YVR soon. And that’s a good thing for Vancouver’s economic competitiveness.

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/Business/asia-pacific/Chuck+Chiang+Dreamliner+good+business/9540886/story.html#ixzz2uB48DWe1

sacrifice333
Feb 23, 2014, 10:59 PM
Booked on a JAL 787 flight to NRT in April. Stoked!

Jebby
Feb 24, 2014, 3:42 AM
Booked on a JAL 787 flight to NRT in April. Stoked!

Have a safe flight!

rsxstock
Feb 24, 2014, 4:49 AM
were there yvr to japan direct flights before the 787?

Klazu
Feb 24, 2014, 5:04 AM
were there yvr to japan direct flights before the 787?

Not sure if you're seriously asking, but yes. Several. :sly:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yvr#Airlines_and_destinations

dleung
Feb 24, 2014, 5:37 AM
Maybe it will be called Potemkin Village Mall? :P

This is why I think the UDP should have jurisdiction over the region... they would save us from stuff like this, rather than just pushing all the crap outside city boundaries.

tuffyy
Feb 24, 2014, 7:36 AM
were there yvr to japan direct flights before the 787?

JAL for one used to route NRT-YVR-MEX for several years using 747's.

zahav
Feb 26, 2014, 7:18 AM
January traffic stats are out: huge increases, led by 18% in Asian traffic, but widespread increses across all markets, with domestic and transborder up very healthy amounts!

http://www.yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/January_2014_Traffic_Update.sflb.ashx

cyeg66
Feb 26, 2014, 9:31 AM
Holy shit, wasn't expecting that. Nice numbers! Interesting to note the drop in jet aircraft movements by ~300 coupled with an increase of 800 prop movements. The net result of Jazz replacing CRJ200's with Q400's and naturally, the start of Encore. The golden prop era has begun. As you stated, huge increase in Asia Pacific, but also really strong in domestic & transborder. Is 2014 YVR's year? Maybe.

Nice bump in cargo, too.

SFUVancouver
Feb 26, 2014, 7:00 PM
Impressive bump in numbers. So far this year I have flown to LA and South Africa (via Hong Kong) for work, so I am adding to the total in my own small way. I took Cathay Pacific 777-300ER for each of the legs on the South Africa trip; nice plane and much more quiet in the cabin than the 744 I took via London for my last trip there.

Denscity
Feb 26, 2014, 10:03 PM
Wow YVR well done!! :cheers: If this is the new normal this should quiet down the Calgarians claiming that they will pass YVR in traffic shortly.

Johnny Aussie
Feb 26, 2014, 10:29 PM
Wow YVR well done!! :cheers: If this is the new normal this should quiet down the Calgarians claiming that they will pass YVR in traffic shortly.

I don't think any Calgarian has claimed that YYC will pass YVR shortly. At least not on SSP forums. And we haven't seen YYC's January numbers yet which I am sure will be very strong as well.

YYC and YVR are definitely on the up and up in all sectors.

There are still more service announcements to come so stay tuned!

I will do an updated summer 2014 summary soon-ish....

But those January numbers for YVR have definitely exceeded what I was thinking. I was predicting Asia/Pacific to be up about 12% only. Also, very good to see Europe with decent growth.

Porfiry
Feb 26, 2014, 10:44 PM
I don't think any Calgarian has claimed that YYC will pass YVR shortly.

The analyst in this story says 5-6 years to surpass YVR. I don't know enough to agree or disagree with this, but the claim certainly has been made.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1146263/calgary-airport-now-fastest-growing-in-canada/

craneSpotter
Feb 26, 2014, 10:55 PM
January traffic stats are out: huge increases, led by 18% in Asian traffic, but widespread increses across all markets, with domestic and transborder up very healthy amounts!

http://www.yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/January_2014_Traffic_Update.sflb.ashx

Really nice to see domestic up ~8%, was kinda flat for a while. Anyone think it's possible part of the domestic increase is due to lower $ (already?) and fewer PAX deciding to fly out of BLI/SEA?

I believe busiest January ever?

Johnny Aussie
Feb 27, 2014, 2:12 AM
The analyst in this story says 5-6 years to surpass YVR. I don't know enough to agree or disagree with this, but the claim certainly has been made.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1146263/calgary-airport-now-fastest-growing-in-canada/

And yes he did! It was a good news story too. I think I had watched that before and yes the 5 year comment got snuck in at the last few seconds :-)

Keep forgetting how strong some Canadian accents can be ;-) Always look forward to that as soon as I step on AC34 every time.

cyeg66
Feb 27, 2014, 4:02 PM
I believe what Johnny meant to say was no "even remotely intelligent Calgarian" would claim YYC could/should/would surpass YVR. Every time someone has uttered that bs, I've been quick to shut them down. If the claim were, for instance "someday YYC will have YVR's pax count", sure, provided they mean 17.9M pax at some point in the future, while YVR will then be at about 21 or 22 million. In the long-term, things won't change. It'll ALWAYS be YYZ, YVR, followed by YYC/YUL (trading places), YEG, YOW, then a bunch of lesser-knowns that no one cares about. :D

Johnny Aussie
Feb 27, 2014, 7:31 PM
With only a month to go until the launch of the daily YVR-HND flight, AC still has not thrown a code share flight number on it.

I thought this was going to be a JV?

trofirhen
Feb 27, 2014, 10:47 PM
Any updates on this Asia - South America connector at YVR that was so heavily - and enthusiastically - talked about several months back?
Was just talking to a YVR marketing/routes development person; the issue seems dead in the water, now. Too bad, it would have bumped YVR up a great big notch. YYZ rules! (market size, and all that). Kind of a shame, really, to have got our hopes up for seemingly nothing.

Johnny Aussie
Feb 28, 2014, 12:14 AM
Any updates on this Asia - South America connector at YVR that was so heavily - and enthusiastically - talked about several months back?
Was just talking to a YVR marketing/routes development person; the issue seems dead in the water, now. Too bad, it would have bumped YVR up a great big notch. YYZ rules! (market size, and all that). Kind of a shame, really, to have got our hopes up for seemingly nothing.

I know! I haven't been able to sleep for weeks in the hopes that this was actually going to happen. I guess we'll just have to accept the fact it's not.

Darn it!

Gordon
Feb 28, 2014, 5:42 AM
We don't really know why this didn't happen. maybe Ottawa simply wouldn't make the viss changes needed.a
Hopefully the airport authority can get the feds to make the changes needed to allow YVr to repatriate a good portion of the SEA & BLI pax .

trofirhen
Feb 28, 2014, 8:37 AM
We don't really know why this didn't happen. maybe Ottawa simply wouldn't make the viss changes needed.a
Hopefully the airport authority can get the feds to make the changes needed to allow YVr to repatriate a good portion of the SEA & BLI pax .
......... which begs the question ... WHY wouldn't Ottawa makes the changes needed? (hmmmm?):uhh:

Johnny Aussie
Mar 2, 2014, 8:48 PM
Another slow newsweek zzzzz.

UA continues its notorious shuffling of equipment with the summer scheds.

Of course this could change next week.

A few 319s being replaced by 320s (SFO, DEN, EWR)
The early morning SFO flight being replaced by Express.
IAD 73G replacing the daily 320.
IAH continues to be a mixed bag.

Klazu
Mar 2, 2014, 9:14 PM
Just curious Johnny Aussie, where does your huge interest towards YVR and YYC stem from? Those seem to be the only threads on this forum that you post to and you are living in Melbourne. I mean, it's great to read even these minor updates, but that is a mysterious combination. :)

Have a great summer Monday Monday down there in Melbourne!

trofirhen
Mar 2, 2014, 9:22 PM
Regarding the short-lived notion of a visa-free zone to connect Asian flights through Vancouver, that flared and sputtered .....
There was something I did pick up from the routes & marketing rep from YVR last week.
Although he as much admitted that that idea was dead in the water, he obliquely volunteered the city name Lima.
While, of course, most South American destinations are routed through Toronto, Dallas, Miami, and such; Lima (whose airport is rated the best in South America and is still undergoing expansion) WOULD make a good gateway to S.A. from YVR, as it is in the NW of that continent, and of course is connected nonstop to all the major cities.
San Francisco now has a Lima connection, for example. Such a route, esp when factoring in Andean mining industry interests, would indeed be logical for YVR, too, I think.

Johnny Aussie
Mar 2, 2014, 9:43 PM
Just curious Johnny Aussie, where does your huge interest towards YVR and YYC stem from? Those seem to be the only threads on this forum that you post to and you are living in Melbourne. I mean, it's great to read even these minor updates, but that is a mysterious combination. :)

Have a great summer Monday Monday down there in Melbourne!

I am Canadian! I consider YYC and YVR my hometowns.

It's all in my profile :-)

Everybody loves a good mystery!

Klazu
Mar 2, 2014, 10:20 PM
I am Canadian! I consider YYC and YVR my hometowns.

I did realize that, but I guess I was curious about you only posting to these two threads and never to anything else about these two great cities, or even Melbourne threads, for that matter. I guess you are just an aviation enthusiastic, eh?. :)

To the Asia - South America discussion: if connection this would be an attractive market, I would expect Honolulu to be positioning itself for it, but this doesn't seem to be the case at all. It would make an ideal connecting point for flights, but there are no flights between Hawaii and South America at this moment. :???:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/HNL_Destinations_January_2013.png/1024px-HNL_Destinations_January_2013.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honolulu_International_Airport

trofirhen
Mar 2, 2014, 11:01 PM
Although - perhaps on a Mercator projection - Honolulu would seem the closest link from East Asian cities to Lima, this is not the case.
The "Great Circle" route takes it more northward.
If you care to click on the links, you will observe.

http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/gmp-to-lim/

http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/pek-to-lim/

http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/pvg-to-lim/

Johnny Aussie
Mar 2, 2014, 11:30 PM
I did realize that, but I guess I was curious about you only posting to these two threads and never to anything else about these two great cities, or even Melbourne threads, for that matter. I guess you are just an aviation enthusiastic, eh?. :)

I actually post heaps of stuff about Melbourne but not on SSP. Like a lot of forums, certain ones are bigger in different parts of the world. SSP is not as big in Australia.

I get to Canada quite a lot.... and fly every other week. Basically comes down to being another common avgeek :-)

Johnny Aussie
Mar 6, 2014, 4:13 AM
For the first time he specifically mentions Xiamen Airlines to Xiamen.

Despite all the previous hints.... Prior to this he never openly admitted this was the Chinese Airline with the soon to be delivered 787s he was referring to.

Most of the rest of the story is just mainly focused on China in general.

www.richmondreview.com/news/248421501.html

deasine
Mar 6, 2014, 4:45 AM
I expect an announcement shortly ;)

BTW, there's discussion YYZ will be getting flights from PVG from two different Chinese carriers. While this on the surface might sound like it comes as a cost to YVR given customers have a direct option, it's important to remember China imposes a one carrier for long-haul regulation to its airlines. There have been exceptions made for CA in routes from PVG to Australia. But if this is really the case, this might benefit YVR even more and we could expect additional carriers such as CZ launching service from PEK.

Johnny Aussie
Mar 6, 2014, 10:37 AM
I expect an announcement shortly ;)

BTW, there's discussion YYZ will be getting flights from PVG from two different Chinese carriers. While this on the surface might sound like it comes as a cost to YVR given customers have a direct option, it's important to remember China imposes a one carrier for long-haul regulation to its airlines. There have been exceptions made for CA in routes from PVG to Australia. But if this is really the case, this might benefit YVR even more and we could expect additional carriers such as CZ launching service from PEK.

Yes China Eastern will be starting 3 weekly PVG-YYZ commencing in June.

I also understand Hainan will also be launching 2 weekly PVG-YYZ in addition to its current PEK-YYZ route.

So perhaps this one carrier restriction has had another exception.

twoNeurons
Mar 8, 2014, 6:26 AM
Although - perhaps on a Mercator projection - Honolulu would seem the closest link from East Asian cities to Lima, this is not the case.
The "Great Circle" route takes it more northward.
If you care to click on the links, you will observe.

http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/gmp-to-lim/

http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/pek-to-lim/

http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/pvg-to-lim/

Interestingly, PVG-LIM and PVG-LAX-LIM are exactly the same distance. So, the plane has to fly directly over LAX. YVR adds 13 miles

Johnny Aussie
Mar 12, 2014, 2:00 AM
Alaska has further revised the summer scheds ex YVR.

2 of the daily LAX flights will now be 739s and the morning flight a 738 replacing the 734.

Last summer the scheds were 2 daily 739s and a mix of 734s and 73Gs for the other 2 daily flights to LAX.

Also as previously mentioned PDX being bumped up to 3 daily from 2.

Johnny Aussie
Mar 14, 2014, 11:15 PM
SLC - is going back to all CR9s. The later afternoon flight was scheduled to be a daily 320 but that has been scaled back.

SEA - the first of the 5 daily flights to SEA is now going to be operated with an E75 vs a CR9. The rest remain CR9s. No capacity change but at least a change in aircraft variety as YVR doesn't see any E75 action right now.

That's it for concrete stuff.

Now for some speculation.....

Virgin Australia has just been given permission by the CTA to code share on Delta/Skywest. I wouldn't be surprised to see DL launch at least a daily CR9 to LAX... This could feed VA's SYD, MEL and BNE flights but could also tie into DL's own LAX-SYD flights. DL is after all ramping up LAX again. They could of course codeshare on the SEA and SLC flights but a non-stop to LAX makes sense.

SFUVancouver
Mar 15, 2014, 12:25 AM
^ Question regarding regional jets, is Bombardier's entry niche for the CS100 (100 pax) routes like the one you described to SLC in which it's probably busy enough to fill something larger than a regional jet but not really quite up to a 737 / A320? When those flights start getting full and carriers start considering larger jets, low and behold, the CS300 (130 pax) is on the scene to fill the gap between the CS100 and the 737 / A320 and pick off business at the low end of those mainline jets.

Kapten
Mar 15, 2014, 5:36 AM
SLC - is going back to all CR9s. The later afternoon flight was scheduled to be a daily 320 but that has been scaled back.

SEA - the first of the 5 daily flights to SEA is now going to be operated with an E75 vs a CR9. The rest remain CR9s. No capacity change but at least a change in aircraft variety as YVR doesn't see any E75 action right now.
.

Doesn't delta already operate the 175 to MSP?

Johnny Aussie
Mar 15, 2014, 7:04 AM
Doesn't delta already operate the 175 to MSP?

Oh yeah... they do! Forgot about the winter scheds.

In summer there are no E175s.

SpongeG
Mar 15, 2014, 6:18 PM
when i flew slc to yvr once, the only time, there were 2 kids and myself for passengers it was very empty

Hot Rod
Mar 16, 2014, 3:14 AM
Not directly Vancouver related, but I wonder if DL's ramp of LAX will mean the end to it's experiment in SEA? Sure, there will be a few long haul flights left from the NW days, but I can't see DL having two west coast gateways AND a hub in SLC. If DL is moving to LAX this could indirectly impact YVR in a positive way, perhaps?

casper
Mar 16, 2014, 3:26 AM
^ Question regarding regional jets, is Bombardier's entry niche for the CS100 (100 pax) routes like the one you described to SLC in which it's probably busy enough to fill something larger than a regional jet but not really quite up to a 737 / A320? When those flights start getting full and carriers start considering larger jets, low and behold, the CS300 (130 pax) is on the scene to fill the gap between the CS100 and the 737 / A320 and pick off business at the low end of those mainline jets.

The 737-600 and A318 are the smallest competitors in the 737/A320, they are apparently very heavy (and therefore expensive) aircraft. Because of that there are very few of them in operation and none on order.

The lighter aircraft in that seat range are the DC-9, MD-80 and Boeing 717. All of those are getting old. The C-series is a lighter modern aircraft and a good replacement.

SFUVancouver
Mar 16, 2014, 3:39 AM
Thanks for the reply and thoughts. I hadn't appreciated aircraft weight; I had the pax/range blinders on.

casper
Mar 16, 2014, 5:15 PM
Thanks for the reply and thoughts. I hadn't appreciated aircraft weight; I had the pax/range blinders on.

The higher operating costs (due to extra weight) is the main reason Air Canada ended up buying the Embrears instead of the A318 to replace their DC-9 fleet. (Per Wikipedia there were 79 of the A318 manufactured out of nearly 10,000 for the entire A320 family. The 318 was not very popular).

Westjet was as odd one in they purchased several 736-600. Same thing, again only 69 of the 6,000 aircraft sold in the 737 NG family are the smallest model.

Hopefully Air Canada ends up with the C-series as their Embrear replacement.

SFUVancouver
Mar 16, 2014, 10:45 PM
I imagine that for West Jet the maintenance and operational advantages of a common type were felt to outweigh the cost of operating a heavier aircraft on marginal routes; no pun intended.

craneSpotter
Mar 17, 2014, 9:34 PM
Don't know if this has been posted before, but interview with China Southern CEO by BIV.

Mar 17, 2014 BIV (http://www.biv.com/article/20140317/BIV0118/303189936/-1/BIV0118//china-southern-to-add-more-vancouver-flights?utm_source=BIV+Weekly+Asia+Pacific&utm_campaign=c1db647dc5-Asia_Pacific_weekly_March_17_20143_17_2014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_2edfe05771-c1db647dc5-210265225) <link

Interesting comments CEO made during interview:

Our Guangzhou to Vancouver service is quite successful. We launched it in 2011 and had three flights per week. After one year, we operated five flights per week. Then, in 2013, we made it daily.

It’s a big thing for any airline in the world to increase flight frequency on such a big international route in such a short period of time. You can imagine it’s not easy for China Southern, but we have been able to maintain an 80% load factor. That’s a success.

The cargo business worldwide is not very strong. However, when it comes to the cargo market between China and Vancouver, it’s doing well.

We will send a working team to Vancouver shortly to discuss with the Canadian government, and also on the Chinese side, to see how we can make it better.

China’s new 72-hour visa-free policy has had a very positive impact on our Vancouver operation.

Over half of the passengers travelling on our Guangzhou-Vancouver route are transit passengers.

I fully agree with the Vancouver airport CEO’s initiative to lobby the Canadian government to relax transit-visa policies, especially for Chinese nationals transiting via Vancouver airport to the U.S. or to South America visa-free. If a new policy is in place, it will greatly improve the tourism exchange between our sovereign nations.

China Southern is also working on getting visa-free transit via Vancouver airport to the U.S.

Hot Rod
Mar 20, 2014, 6:16 AM
sweet, is China Southern planning daily 787 or A380 service to Vancouver? I thought I heard something but forget which plane it is.

Hourglass
Mar 20, 2014, 8:18 AM
^^^

787.

I can see visa-free transit to the US having a significant impact.

trofirhen
Mar 20, 2014, 9:16 PM
^^^

787.

I can see visa-free transit to the US having a significant impact.
Are you referring to the Canadian government accepting US visas? Are you referring to that visa-free" zone" (talked about, but never implemented by Toronto - ooops, Ottawa?)
I'd just like further info on that if you have any. Thank you. :)

SFUVancouver
Mar 22, 2014, 7:00 AM
http://i.imgur.com/FzE7OR0.jpg?1
My photo, taken March 20th, 2014.

SFUVancouver
Mar 22, 2014, 7:04 AM
http://i.imgur.com/nS5ArDS.jpg?1
My photo, taken March 20th, 2014.

http://i.imgur.com/O8Jf8wI.jpg?1
My photo, taken March 20th, 2014.

hollywoodnorth
Mar 22, 2014, 7:32 AM
thanks for the pics!