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SFUVancouver
Apr 29, 2014, 10:22 PM
^ We just squeaked by 2008's numbers, making it a new record for March.

Don't want to jinx it, but with Q1 under our belt, YVR is on track to hit its first 18 million passenger year.

[edit] Thanks for the pictures of the A/B piers!

deasine
Apr 30, 2014, 1:10 AM
Great photos zahav. The new A/B piers look excellent, and WS will definitely be getting a great facility. It almost looks AC's new C pier looking a little underwhelming now (unless there are plans to juggle the airline gate placements again).

I still don't understand what is YVRs thing with those ceiling tiles: personally prefer a cleaner ceiling aesthetic. The only other comment I have is the first and third pictures, the supporting bars for the signage dropping all the way down ruins the flow, and they could have elected to hang the signage floating from the side walls instead. But all in all, it looks great.

UA doesn't have better frequency to LAX.

No but your first comment was referring to Silicon Valley. LAX is a much more fragmented market (the market share of US carriers vs. Int'l ones is indicative of this). The direct competitors to LAX is WS and AS. WS does not have a J product, no competition. AS does have Domestic F service, but I'd argue would be little difference to ACs Rouge product. Both WS and AS have cost bases lower than ACs, and Rouge offers a better cost platform for AC to compete in this market.

I'm not an AC apologist, but to claim they have no idea what they are doing is absurd. They know very well what they are doing here. It might not be good for consumers, but they answer to their shareholders. Until there is mass exodus of passengers onto its competition, which is seemingly unlikely to occur in both these markets, these moves should lead to better business for AC.

Johnny Aussie
Apr 30, 2014, 4:58 AM
^ We just squeaked by 2008's numbers, making it a new record for March.

Don't want to jinx it, but with Q1 under our belt, YVR is on track to hit its first 18 million passenger year.

Yup a very good result in all sectors.

Europe showing amazing growth. (LH and AC increased capacity).
Transborder zooming ahead - almost 30,000 more passengers than last March (what was that about BLI?) almost 400,000 pax.
Asia also continuing to motor along of course.

cyeg66
Apr 30, 2014, 2:27 PM
Impressive numbers for YVR in March, and overall YTD.

http://www.yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/1992-2014_Enplaned_and_Deplaned_Passengers_Mar_2014.sflb.ashx

Daaaammmmm, forget about breaking 18 million "for the first time", might as well throw in 19 million, too. :tup:

whatnext
Apr 30, 2014, 2:58 PM
Anyone know who this mystery Middle Eastern 747 belongs to (parked near AC hangar)

http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy177/Whatnext2010/f21546ac-1013-4d04-90c0-a545a31ff6d2_zps05e0516c.jpg (http://s789.photobucket.com/user/Whatnext2010/media/f21546ac-1013-4d04-90c0-a545a31ff6d2_zps05e0516c.jpg.html)

my photo

Jebby
Apr 30, 2014, 3:16 PM
Can't see the registration number in that picture.

connect2source
Apr 30, 2014, 3:23 PM
Impressive numbers for YVR in March, and overall YTD.

http://www.yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/1992-2014_Enplaned_and_Deplaned_Passengers_Mar_2014.sflb.ashx

A record March, up 887 passengers from March 2008! Great news overall though! Be great to see 20M for 2014!

jlousa
Apr 30, 2014, 3:33 PM
The new owners of the Fairmont PacRim penthouse were in town last week haven't seen them around the last few days though. Probably their plane as they had an large entourage.

moosejaw
Apr 30, 2014, 4:19 PM
Anyone know who this mystery Middle Eastern 747 belongs to (parked near AC hangar)

http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy177/Whatnext2010/f21546ac-1013-4d04-90c0-a545a31ff6d2_zps05e0516c.jpg (http://s789.photobucket.com/user/Whatnext2010/media/f21546ac-1013-4d04-90c0-a545a31ff6d2_zps05e0516c.jpg.html)

my photo

Thats the Dubai Royal Air Wing
it transports the royal family and its VIP guests.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_Royal_Air_Wing

LeftCoaster
Apr 30, 2014, 8:02 PM
Wow that is just phenomal growth, 6.9% YoY growth is incredible.

The average growth in the first three months YoY has been 7.51%, if we maintain that pace we wont just pass 18 million we will blow past 19 million with a total of 19.3 million. Would be pretty crazy for YVR to never have a year with 18 million passengers in its history!

Additionally the growth is primarily coming from long haul sources, with domestic being the lowest source of growth, meaning more wide body planes rather than just adding a bunch of 737s and A320s.

SFUVancouver
Apr 30, 2014, 8:36 PM
^ I would expect international landing fees are higher, too. If so, a proportionately greater amount of revenue should be coming, versus domestic-driven growth, and this can be plowed into improved air operations and terminal facilities, not to mention high levels of maintenance and cleanliness. On this note, one real pet peeve of mine is that in the men's room in the domestic A(?) (West Jet) pier, the automatic faucets have only dispensed ice cold water for as long as I have been flying semi-frequently. Surely management must know about this since its been a problem for three or four years now.

Denscity
Apr 30, 2014, 8:56 PM
Daaaammmmm, forget about breaking 18 million "for the first time", might as well throw in 19 million, too. :tup:

"Like" :cheers:

trofirhen
Apr 30, 2014, 10:31 PM
Wow that is just phenomal growth, 6.9% YoY growth is incredible.

The average growth in the first three months YoY has been 7.51%, if we maintain that pace we wont just pass 18 million we will blow past 19 million with a total of 19.3 million. Would be pretty crazy for YVR to never have a year with 18 million passengers in its history!

Additionally the growth is primarily coming from long haul sources, with domestic being the lowest source of growth, meaning more wide body planes rather than just adding a bunch of 737s and A320s.

Just for comparison, Brisbane (BNE) handled over 21 million pax last year, and they're only the third city in Australia.
BTW, BNE has only one runway !! They're getting on to building the second.

Johnny Aussie
Apr 30, 2014, 10:49 PM
Wow that is just phenomal growth, 6.9% YoY growth is incredible.

The average growth in the first three months YoY has been 7.51%, if we maintain that pace we wont just pass 18 million we will blow past 19 million with a total of 19.3 million. Would be pretty crazy for YVR to never have a year with 18 million passengers in its history!

Additionally the growth is primarily coming from long haul sources, with domestic being the lowest source of growth, meaning more wide body planes rather than just adding a bunch of 737s and A320s.

It does seem like YVR has turned a corner.

Projecting ahead this summer looks like a bumper season as well with all the additional flights/upgauges coming online.

Just read an article too where the Port of Vancouver is expecting another good cruise ship season.

http://www.biv.com/article/20140429/BIV0110/140429924/port-metro-vancouver-expects-strong-cruise-season-generating-almost

Next up: Icelandair.

Klazu
May 1, 2014, 3:19 AM
The new owners of the Fairmont PacRim penthouse were in town last week haven't seen them around the last few days though. Probably their plane as they had an large entourage.

It's such a different planet that these filthy rich bastards live in. Flying around with their private 747s to spend maybe a few weeks a year in their 55 million dollar penthouses.

I feel kind of sorry for them. Being completely disconnected from the real world and real people. Or at least until the Saudi people will finally get fed up with them and will storm their gates. It's just a matter of time... Good thing they have one retreat in here.

spaceprobe
May 1, 2014, 3:24 AM
Just for comparison, Brisbane (BNE) handled over 21 million pax last year, and they're only the third city in Australia.
BTW, BNE has only one runway !! They're getting on to building the second.

brisbane is isolated from large population areas (ie can't drive to any other country) . unless people drive to/from sydney (>10 hr drive)....they basically have to fly to go anywhere.

memememe76
May 1, 2014, 4:12 AM
Personally speaking, airfares from Seattle and esp. Bellingham (esp. Bellingham--what happened, Bellingham?!?!) are not nearly as low as they used to be. My trip to Cancun and Chicago this summer will be from YVR.

casper
May 1, 2014, 5:58 AM
It's such a different planet that these filthy rich bastards live in. Flying around with their private 747s to spend maybe a few weeks a year in their 55 million dollar penthouses.

I feel kind of sorry for them. Being completely disconnected from the real world and real people. Or at least until the Saudi people will finally get fed up with them and will storm their gates. It's just a matter of time... Good thing they have one retreat in here.

They do try not to be over the top. After all they used a older 747 instead of the larger and newer A380. The world has changed given the state of the economy one has to hang on to their older plane an extra year or two these days before trading it in for a newer model. :runaway:

Klazu
May 1, 2014, 2:02 PM
They do try not to be over the top. After all they used a older 747 instead of the larger and newer A380. The world has changed given the state of the economy one has to hang on to their older plane an extra year or two these days before trading it in for a newer model. :runaway:

Yeah, the horror of that... :rolleyes:

Okay, so he seems to be the Crown Prince of Dubai, not from Saudi Arabia. Vancitybuzz has the story with photos. I was also wrong, he has been roaming among the layman!

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2014/04/crown-prince-dubai-visits-vancouver-photos/

spm2013
May 1, 2014, 2:58 PM
With a big security detail... :)

jlousa
May 1, 2014, 4:05 PM
Sure seems to be some hate for the guy, personally I'd envy being in that position. I take it as a compliment that of all the places this guy could be, he's chosen to make Vancouver one of those places. I'm sure he'll take some of his experiences here home with him and use them to improve things.
We are way off topic though, lets try to keep this about YVR.
What's the next big project at YVR after A/B pier completes?

Vin
May 1, 2014, 4:54 PM
Don't be jealous, the insatiable thirst for oil in the western world made the royalties rich in the first place. At least the crown prince is an educated and cultured man, but chose to own a property in a city full of yahoos and bums.

Valley_Refugee
May 1, 2014, 4:58 PM
Just for comparison, Brisbane (BNE) handled over 21 million pax last year, and they're only the third city in Australia.
BTW, BNE has only one runway !! They're getting on to building the second.

Sorry, what is the comparison here? As another forumer mentioned, Brisbane is pretty isolated. Within a six-hour drive of Vancouver, there are probably 7-8 million people, including four relatively large population centres (Seattle, Portland, the Okanagan, southern Vancouver Island).

Forgive me if I misinterpret the tone of your post, but you tend to put down YVR a lot without any sort of back up to it.

trofirhen
May 1, 2014, 6:11 PM
Sorry, what is the comparison here? As another forumer mentioned, Brisbane is pretty isolated. Within a six-hour drive of Vancouver, there are probably 7-8 million people, including four relatively large population centres (Seattle, Portland, the Okanagan, southern Vancouver Island).

Forgive me if I misinterpret the tone of your post, but you tend to put down YVR a lot without any sort of back up to it.
It just surprised me that Brisbane, a somewhat regional city in Australia, (although the closest Aussie destination to a lot of the world air mile-wise, I will admit) would outstrip YVR pax numbers by 2 million, that's all.
However, as spaceprobe pointed out, it's far from just about everything except other Australian cities, whereas from Vancouver, you can drive or take a bus to anywhere in North America, lessening the dependence on air travel.
Having had that pointed out, the BNE pax numbers make a lot more sense.
And no, I'm not putting YVR down at all. I'm waiting for the day when we hit 20 million pax annually, and perhaps have 4 or 5 more key destination points overseas.

Hourglass
May 2, 2014, 12:42 AM
It just surprised me that Brisbane, a somewhat regional city in Australia, (although the closest Aussie destination to a lot of the world air mile-wise, I will admit) would outstrip YVR pax numbers by 2 million, that's all.
However, as spaceprobe pointed out, it's far from just about everything except other Australian cities, whereas from Vancouver, you can drive or take a bus to anywhere in North America, lessening the dependence on air travel.
Having had that pointed out, the BNE pax numbers make a lot more sense.
And no, I'm not putting YVR down at all. I'm waiting for the day when we hit 20 million pax annually, and perhaps have 4 or 5 more key destination points overseas.

It's not just BNE. Sydney's population is smaller than Toronto yet passenger figures at SYD are higher than YYZ.

Part of it is geography. It also seems to me that Australia's air transport regime tends to be more open than Canada's -- with all the opportunities and debate that comes along with more liberal bilaterals. The ME3 airlines have significant market share on Australia-Europe routes and Qantas has been taking a beating. You won't see that in Canada.

trofirhen
May 2, 2014, 12:59 AM
It's not just BNE. Sydney's population is smaller than Toronto yet passenger figures at SYD are higher than YYZ.

Part of it is geography. It also seems to me that Australia's air transport regime tends to be more open than Canada's -- with all the opportunities and debate that comes along with more liberal bilaterals. The ME3 airlines have significant market share on Australia-Europe routes and Qantas has been taking a beating. You won't see that in Canada.

Yes, I've heard about how that bit deeply into Qantas profit margin. They really did take a beating.
Also, other European airlines have complained how (mostly) Emirates have drawn off a lot of their blood.
Nevertheless, when this air-routes-to-India-conundrum is straightened out (AC and Air India codeshare possible) withe 787s, I still hope that YVR will snag a couple of key destinations like not only Delhi, but Lima (coming up, it seems), Istanbul, Kuala Lumpur .... maybe even CDG (;)), Melbourne .....

Gordon
May 2, 2014, 3:55 AM
How many gates will open with phase 1 at the end of may?

zahav
May 2, 2014, 5:36 AM
3 new gates, B18, B27, B2i8. you can see below where they are located (the red text is the new gate #s in the domestic terminal after May 6, all gates will be renumbered as shown. credit my work..

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af328/its_me_josh1zahav84/photo_zps0949854f.jpg (http://s1020.photobucket.com/user/its_me_josh1zahav84/media/photo_zps0949854f.jpg.html)

Genauso
May 2, 2014, 5:39 AM
Air travel is a lot more popular in Australia, maybe the first in the world per capita. Their wage boom aside, they live near a lot of exotic and cheap destinations.

Genauso
May 2, 2014, 5:44 AM
1984 YVR - Vancouver Airport as seen from a helicopter…:
PylzycOhous

nname
May 2, 2014, 7:30 AM
3 new gates, B18, B27, B2i8. you can see below where they are located (the red text is the new gate #s in the domestic terminal after May 6, all gates will be renumbered as shown. credit my work..

I'm surprised they are actually using the number B13...

I wonder why B24 and B25 are skipped. Are they going to extend the B-pier outward to add 2 more gates in the future?

connect2source
May 2, 2014, 1:30 PM
1984 YVR - Vancouver Airport as seen from a helicopter…:
PylzycOhous

(edit)WOW!! Amazing find!! The original domestic terminal was such a magnificent piece of architecture, almost perfectly symmetrical with beautiful stonework, it's a shame not more of it was preserved.

Pacific Western Airlines ( PWA ) was sort of the Westjet of those days, later merged with CP Air ( and other airlines ) to become Canadi>n, an extremely rare sighting being a PWA 767 parked at Gate B19, I believe they only had those for a couple of years.

Also very cool seeing a CP Air 747 parked at today's gate C25, it was always fun seeing those large planes so close up from the main terminal's viewing areas.

Gordon
May 2, 2014, 4:16 PM
Any idea when Gates A2 & A3 will be converted back the regular single bridges?

Johnny Aussie
May 3, 2014, 7:09 AM
AC just updated summer scheds.

Of note:

A330 replacing an A320 on the first of the 6 daily flights to YUL. Been awhile since AC had a widebody on the YUL route for the summer scheds. AC put an A330 on one of the daily flights this last winter.

YYZ back up to 18 daily. Original summer sched release had it at 17. However, the morning A330 has been shifted to YUL (see above) replaced by an A321 and an A320 30 mins apart. Of the 18, 3 still on 777s.

Johnny Aussie
May 5, 2014, 10:49 AM
Shanghai!

Finally after months of speculation....

Effective 26 Oct 2014 YVR-PVG daily 788 replacing the daily 763 on AC25 / AC26.

A nice ~ 20-30% capacity increase.

http://airlineroute.net/2014/05/05/ac-asia-w14update/

AC25 departs YVR at 12:35 and AC26 arrives YVR at 12:35.... sooooo.... more to come :-) as there is no way they would have the 787 sitting on the ground for 24 hours! It would be very tight but they could squeeze in a YVR-NRT return as well.
I see at least a transcon (maybe YUL but most likely YYZ) built into this.
Or maybe a HNL turnaround (wishful thinking!!).

This will be YVR's third 787 route..... so far.

trofirhen
May 5, 2014, 4:16 PM
Shanghai!

Finally after months of speculation....

Effective 26 Oct 2014 YVR-PVG daily 788 replacing the daily 763 on AC25 / AC26.

A nice ~ 20-30% capacity increase.

http://airlineroute.net/2014/05/05/ac-asia-w14update/

........................

............... This will be YVR's third 787 route..... so far.

This is really a sign that YVR is such a major Asian flight hub.
I couldn't also help noticing that the (but of course) 787 YYZ - Haneda route will be downgraded to a 777. For the time being, anyway.

ACT7
May 5, 2014, 5:31 PM
This is really a sign that YVR is such a major Asian flight hub.
I couldn't also help noticing that the (but of course) 787 YYZ - Haneda route will be downgraded to a 777. For the time being, anyway.

I don't think that's really considered a downgrade, but I see what you're trying to get at.

sacrifice333
May 5, 2014, 6:17 PM
Just flew JL17 & JL18, YVR-NRT and NRT-YVR respectively, both serviced by Boeing 787 Dreamliners. Excellent planes. Flew biz class one way and econo bulk head the other.

Biz class uses the JAL Shell Flat Neo (https://www.jal.co.jp/en/inflight/inter/business/c_seat/) which is fine, but seeing as it won an award in 2009 isn't exactly ground-breaking and isn't fully lie-flat. Also they're using a straight-forward 2-2-2 design so if the person next to you is extended you need some fancy footwork to get by them. The toilet in this section is typical Japanese including all of the "washing" you could desire. Love the electronically dimmed/shaded windows, also used in econo class.

Economy is quite comfortable and seems to have reasonable legroom. Bulkheads have HUGE leg room. The toilets don't have the washing options, but the touchless flush is a nice 'touch'. Pardon the pun.

Flying an MH 777-300ER afterwards was night and day. And not in a good way.

Gordon
May 6, 2014, 2:25 AM
the gate re- numbering has some conflicts, gate #s 26,27,28 are already used in the C pier.

Johnny Aussie
May 7, 2014, 12:40 AM
Looking at Q1 stats in more detail and if current trends continue I would expect YVR to close out 2014 as the #2 airport in Canada for international passengers. This would include transborder. I know some would argue these are two separate markets but when looking at total international traffic, YVR should overtake YUL this year.

I realise YUL has some new international flights coming online as well, but so does YVR.

In 2013 YUL handled just over 157,000 more international pax than YVR. In Q1 2014 YUL saw transborder growth of only 1.1% and international only 0.3%.

YUL also sees a much more vast array of flights to sun destinations. YVR pales in comparison.

Hourglass
May 7, 2014, 3:03 AM
Sorry, this brings out the avgeek in me...

So for summer 2014, I'm counting 120+ flights/week YVR-Asia -- not including cargo or flights from Oceania:

21x Tokyo (ANA, AC, JL 7x each)
14x Seoul (AC, KE 7x each)
21x Shanghai (MU 14x, AC 7x)
19x Beijing (CA 12x, AC 7x)
7x Guangzhou (CZ)
3x Shenyang (3U)
21x Hong Kong (AC 7x, CX 14x)
11x Taipei (CI 7x, BR 4x)
7x Manila (PR 7x)

Interesting that Air Canada makes up less than 1/3 of this.

Either way, pretty impressive, and I'm guessing probably not too far behind SFO in terms of flight frequency.

casper
May 7, 2014, 4:43 AM
Sorry, this brings out the avgeek in me...

So for summer 2014, I'm counting 120+ flights/week YVR-Asia -- not including cargo or flights from Oceania:

21x Tokyo (ANA, AC, JL 7x each)
14x Seoul (AC, KE 7x each)
21x Shanghai (MU 14x, AC 7x)
19x Beijing (CA 12x, AC 7x)
7x Guangzhou (CZ)
3x Shenyang (3U)
21x Hong Kong (AC 7x, CX 14x)
11x Taipei (CI 7x, BR 4x)
7x Manila (PR 7x)

Interesting that Air Canada makes up less than 1/3 of this.

Either way, pretty impressive, and I'm guessing probably not too far behind SFO in terms of flight frequency.

Also interesting:


Star Alliance: 58 - AC 35, ANA 7, CA 12, BR 4
One world: 21 - JAL 7, CA 14
Sky Team 35 - KE 7, MU 14, CZ 7, CI 7
Independent: 10 - - 3U 3, PR 7

Interesting for a city that use to be the head quarters of Oneworld in years past that it is the number 3 alliance into the airport.

Johnny Aussie
May 7, 2014, 7:33 AM
^^ And don't forget... 69 flights per week this summer to Europe.

In fact over the next week or so:

Icelandair commences new seasonal flights to KEF
Virgin Atlantic kicks off its summer seasonal flights (up to 5 per week this summer compared to 4 last year)
Rouge commences Anchorage for its new seasonal service (replaces AC mainline)
Westjet Encore launching new YMM daily flights.

Gordon
May 11, 2014, 5:20 PM
According to the latest terminal map Gate B18(formerly gate B16 is n active gate. any reason why it's not being used?

zahav
May 12, 2014, 5:42 AM
that map is a little bit off right now, since gates B17 & B18 (as well as B27 & B28) will be opening sortly

trofirhen
May 12, 2014, 12:29 PM
Also interesting:


Star Alliance: 58 - AC 35, ANA 7, CA 12, BR 4
One world: 21 - JAL 7, CA 14
Sky Team 35 - KE 7, MU 14, CZ 7, CI 7
Independent: 10 - - 3U 3, PR 7

Interesting for a city that use to be the head quarters of Oneworld in years past that it is the number 3 alliance into the airport.
This is interesting. Which city used to be the HQ of ONEWORLD?
In the list above, SKYTEAM is the number 3 alliance.
Could I ask you to clarify all this? Thank you. :)

Klazu
May 12, 2014, 2:07 PM
I find it interesting that their headquarters used to be in the fabulous Marine Building:

"This building was also the management centre for oneworld, of one of the three largest airline alliances in the world, from its founding in May 2000 until it was relocated to New York City in June 2011."

Hourglass
May 12, 2014, 5:19 PM
Also interesting:


Star Alliance: 58 - AC 35, ANA 7, CA 12, BR 4
One world: 21 - JAL 7, CA 14
Sky Team 35 - KE 7, MU 14, CZ 7, CI 7
Independent: 10 - - 3U 3, PR 7

Interesting for a city that use to be the head quarters of Oneworld in years past that it is the number 3 alliance into the airport.

Don't forget BA to London.

Of course it would likely be a vastly different picture if Canadian Airlines as a founding Oneworld member had survived.

Either way, once CP was taken over by AC, I'm guessing it was just a matter of time before Oneworld moved somewhere better served by member airlines.

trofirhen
May 12, 2014, 6:02 PM
... speaking of which, I wish we had a flight to Istanbul.
Turkish is Star Alliance, and they're seeking to expand rapidly.
SUPER jumping off point for the Eastern Mediterranean and Mideast, as well as East Africa, and the Caucasus regions (Teheran, etc)

jlousa
May 12, 2014, 6:10 PM
And I wish we had the demand for it, but we don't, hence we don't have the flights.

LeftCoaster
May 12, 2014, 8:13 PM
It's probably because of all the small town logging mentality and hippies here...

I know I shouldn't do this, it might get trofirhen going again, but I just can't help myself. This was in the news the other day...

YVR Recovers from 2008 Slump
Niko Bell | MAY 9, 2014

Airport Authority CEO Craig Richmond says Sao Paulo is within reach of flight expansions, but Mumbai is just too far away

President and CEO Craig Richmond finished off a comfortable first year at the head of the Vancouver Airport Authority Thursday, reporting at an annual public meeting that passenger numbers have finally bounced back above their 2008 high. Richmond took over from Larry Berg last June, in time to bask in YVR’s fifth-straight Skytrax Airport Award for best airport in North America.

Richmond announced the rollout of a new line of biometric customs kiosks and talked up a new discount luxury shopping centre that will open on Sea Island next year. He also reaffirmed that YVR is still negotiating with the federal government to allow passengers to fly through Canada without obtaining Canadian visas, a plan that he says will allow the airport to offer direct flights to South America and several new Chinese cities.

“All we need is the federal government to come on board,” Richmond said, but would disclose what exactly was holding up the process. “It’s a very delicate thing when you’re talking about government policy… These things can go sideways. You think you have something going, and then you don’t.”

Faced with a question from the audience about flights to South Asia, however, Richmond said that planes are not efficient enough yet to make the flight worth it.
“It’s just a long ways,” he said. “That extra two or three hours, depending on winds, that take you past Shanghai to Mumbai, kills the yield. Many airlines have tried it, and few have succeeded, given current technology.”

Richmond also threw up his hands in response to a question about Bellingham airport poaching business from YVR with super cheap flights. “I can’t argue with that,” he said. “I would like everyone who flies out of B.C. to fly out of Vancouver. But I also recognize that Bellingham is in a different country with an entirely different cost structure…. We paid $42 million in rent here last year and Bellingham gets grants from the federal government in the States to run the airport. I don’t think given that cost structure… that we can compete on cost with Bellingham.”

Richmond said that to compete with Bellingham and Seattle, YVR will have to be a “high value” airport, offering better services and more destinations.
YVR’s biggest lump this year, however, was a $50-million writeoff in its subsidiary, Vantage Airport Group. Vantage pulled out of its 65 per cent ownership of Liverpool’s John Lennon Airport, citing an economic downturn and tough competition for the failed investment.

YVR generated $430 million in revenue in 2013, and invested $190 million into capital projects. The airport also added $20 million to its cash reserves. The annual report noted that Richmond was paid an approximately $450,000 salary as president.http://www.bcbusiness.ca/manufacturing-transport/yvr-recovers-from-2008-slump

trofirhen
May 12, 2014, 10:13 PM
And I wish we had the demand for it, but we don't, hence we don't have the flights.
Very true. Sometimes it is easy to forget that, despite its spectacular growth in some domains, the whole Vancouver metro population is a 'blip' compared to many other destinations.

Johnny Aussie
May 13, 2014, 1:52 AM
YVR to welcome overseas airline #19 tomorrow.

KEF airport website just posted on the departure info page

FI 697 departs KEF at 1715.

I assume another water cannon arrival.

And.... Virgin Atlantic resumes flights tomorrow as well.

VS 97 scheduled to arrive 10 minutes before Icelandair.

And.... Condor has also kicked off the summer season with their new livery/logo.

On another note Westjet Encore's first flight to YMM operated earlier today.

ewh12
May 13, 2014, 6:34 PM
You guys might be interested to learn that Philippine Airlines next stage of North American expansion may include an YVR-EWR/JFK flight come October. It will be a throwback since they last served that route in the late 90s.

"I think we should be able to go to New York via Vancouver towards October," Ang said.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/05/13/14/pal-eyes-new-generation-planes

trofirhen
May 13, 2014, 6:45 PM
YVR to welcome overseas airline #19 tomorrow.

KEF airport website just posted on the departure info page

FI 697 departs KEF at 1715.

I assume another water cannon arrival.

I'd rather have year-round service (such as from SEA-TAC and YYZ), never mind the hoopla.

deasine
May 13, 2014, 7:01 PM
You guys might be interested to learn that Philippine Airlines next stage of North American expansion may include an YVR-EWR/JFK flight come October. It will be a throwback since they last served that route in the late 90s.

I think PR finally realised they can't compete in the EU-Asia market and are refocusing their efforts on North America, particularly on routes where they have a monopoly.

Johnny Aussie
May 13, 2014, 7:38 PM
You guys might be interested to learn that Philippine Airlines next stage of North American expansion may include an YVR-EWR/JFK flight come October. It will be a throwback since they last served that route in the late 90s.

The article also mentions Chicago and "Florida" as other possible new destinations. It also mentions Seoul and Tokyo as possible stopover points to the US instead of YVR.

In any event they talk about October. They might want to sort that out quickly... October is only 5 months away.

Johnny Aussie
May 14, 2014, 1:32 AM
Looks like YVR will see quite a bit of AC 787 action by next summer.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/air-canada-welcomes-its-first-dreamliner/article18643753/

According to this article there will no longer be 767 trans-Pacific flights next summer. They will have 8 787 frames by next June. A natural transition in place I suppose. We know YVR-PVG is the first YVR 787 route already loaded to start late October anyway.

YVR-NRT
YVR-ICN
YVR-PVG
YVR-PEK

Also mentions possible new routes to Asia.

I see potentially YVR-CAN.

officedweller
May 14, 2014, 11:11 PM
On the original site of the outlet mall on Sea Island (next to BCIT):

Autism centre plans to break ground in Richmond
Facility will serve as a provincial hub for autism research and services.
Graeme Wood / Richmond News
May 13, 2014 12:53 PM

http://images.glaciermedia.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1059447.1400010534!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_563/autism-facility.jpg

The Pacific Autism Family Centre Foundation hopes to get one step closer to breaking ground on a 60,000 square foot facility on Sea Island after seeking approval from the City of Richmond.

The application will go to a development permit panel today and city staff is recommending city councillors approve it.

The $28 million building would be built next to the BCIT Aerospace campus by the non-profit organization, which has raised the money for the facility through private and public funds.

The foundation’s CEO Sergio Cocchia said $20 million has come from a provincial government grant while the remaining funds will come from donations. A $5 million endowment fund will help kick-start the operations.

...


See more at: http://www.richmond-news.com/autism-centre-plans-to-break-ground-in-richmond-1.1059356#sthash.YMwAVNzO.dpuf

spm2013
May 14, 2014, 11:32 PM
On the original site of the outlet mall on Sea Island (next to BCIT):




This looks to be located north of the BCIT campus while the outlet mall was on the corner of Russ Baker and Gilbert:

City of Richmond on the original outlet mall proposal:

http://www.richmond.ca/__shared/assets/Mall_Russ-Baker_CNCL_07231233457.pdf

And makes sense since the project is at 1001 Hudson Ave.

Development permit report:

http://www.richmond.ca/__shared/assets/DP_13_64557938515.pdf

officedweller
May 15, 2014, 7:48 PM
Ah, thanks.

Squeezed in between the former Canadian offices and BCIT.

Johnny Aussie
May 16, 2014, 5:32 AM
CTA approval obtained. Still aways to go but another step in the right direction.

Looking at a spring 2015 launch.... so will there be a new airline flying out of YVR by this time next year?

http://www.biv.com/article/20140515/BIV0118/140519949/plans-for-new-vancouver-based-airline-move-closer-to-lift-off

casper
May 16, 2014, 12:09 PM
This is interesting. Which city used to be the HQ of ONEWORLD?
In the list above, SKYTEAM is the number 3 alliance.
Could I ask you to clarify all this? Thank you. :)


Onewold use to have its executive offices in Vancouver. In 2010 it relocated from Vancouver to New York. Canadian Airlines was a founding member of Oneworld and that likely played a role in Vancouver being the headquarters.

http://hub.aa.com/en/nr/pressrelease/oneworld-to-move-head-office-to-new-york-with-new-ceo

stiffdeadman
May 18, 2014, 12:41 AM
CTA approval obtained. Still aways to go but another step in the right direction.

Looking at a spring 2015 launch.... so will there be a new airline flying out of YVR by this time next year?

http://www.biv.com/article/20140515/BIV0118/140519949/plans-for-new-vancouver-based-airline-move-closer-to-lift-off

long term this airline won't last. they are going after the allegiant, spirit, ryanair model, which won't work in canada based on the lack of actual leisure markets, and the population. sending an a319 to prince rupert is an exercise in futility.

short term for the couple years they are around will be good for the consumer as yvr will become a battleground with fare wars in the economy range.

Johnny Aussie
May 18, 2014, 3:40 AM
long term this airline won't last. they are going after the allegiant, spirit, ryanair model, which won't work in canada based on the lack of actual leisure markets, and the population. sending an a319 to prince rupert is an exercise in futility.

short term for the couple years they are around will be good for the consumer as yvr will become a battleground with fare wars in the economy range.

Yeah crazy. Makes me wonder what their actual business plan is. Otherwise there will be plenty of empty A319s to Prince Rupert.

Klazu
May 18, 2014, 5:18 AM
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Johnny Aussie
May 18, 2014, 9:48 AM
^ thanks for posting these.

The first one is excellent. Must have been a beautiful day in Vancouver too. Nice!

YYCguys
May 18, 2014, 3:27 PM
Is the outlet mall proposal dead?

Klazu
May 18, 2014, 4:45 PM
Not sure if these were posted earlier, but they also have videos of the China Southern and ANA 787's.

87130746

87130747

90550431

whatnext
May 18, 2014, 6:13 PM
Is the outlet mall proposal dead?

No it was moved to a location beside Templeton station and is under cosntruction. They're currently widening the Templeton overpass to 4 lanes to accommodate the aircraft.

trofirhen
May 18, 2014, 6:17 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is all great!!! If we could get Icelandair year-round, it would solve part of the hassle of demanding new direct flights to Paris, Copenhagen, etc. (and be great for Icelandair, one would hope). And with as many Chinese destinations as we have - and will get - we ARE the main North American jumping off point for that country.
Also, it seems as if the visa-free zone at YVR is NOT dead in the water, and that that connecting China - South America hub (Lima being the first destination apparently) is still breathing.
Making YVR a real connection hub airport is such an exciting concept, especially for someone born there, as I was.
Air Canada's claim of developing YVR into a real AC hub is laughable. They'll kiss YYZ's butt until the next asteroid strikes.

Johnny Aussie
May 20, 2014, 7:47 AM
AC announces the 787 to be deployed on YVR-NRT and YVR-PVG. The latter we already knew about. The transition to occur over the 2014-2015 winter months.

http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=768

sacrifice333
May 20, 2014, 9:10 PM
AC announces the 787 to be deployed on YVR-NRT and YVR-PVG. The latter we already knew about. The transition to occur over the 2014-2015 winter months.

http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=768

We're getting quite a bit of 787 love out of YVR... especially for Japan.

JAL --> NRT via 787
ANA --> HND via 787
AC --> NRT via 787
CZ--> CAN via 787
AC --> PVG via 787

plus the other additions Johnny Aussie mentioned! :tup:

Johnny Aussie
May 20, 2014, 9:26 PM
We're getting quite a bit of 787 love out of YVR... especially for Japan.

JAL --> NRT via 787
ANA --> HND via 787
AC --> NRT via 787
CZ--> CAN via 787
AC --> PVG via 787

plus the other additions Johnny Aussie mentioned! :tup:

All good except ANA. That route is still going to be a 763 for the foreseeable future.

connect2source
May 23, 2014, 1:30 PM
United flight from Houston to Vancouver an A320, in near collision with another A320 ( 120 metres apart ) while departing Houston IAH on May 9th.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/united-flight-to-vancouver-in-near-collision-with-plane-in-houston-1.2651739

Johnny Aussie
May 23, 2014, 10:17 PM
I know it's only May 2014.... But the following have already been loaded for next summer.

Virgin Atlantic replacing the 343s with 333s on the 5 weekly YVR-LHR.
Finally going to see newer product on this route as the 343s get retired. The 333s also have more seats.

http://airlineroute.net/2014/05/22/vs-yvr-s15update1/

Lufthansa putting the 2 class 744 on the daily YVR-FRA effective Feb 2015. Auf Wiedersehen First Class! Not saying a service increase but definitely a capacity increase.

http://airlineroute.net/2014/05/23/lh-744-s15/

SFUVancouver
May 25, 2014, 1:04 AM
Lufthansa putting the 2 class 744 on the daily YVR-FRA effective Feb 2015. Auf Wiedersehen First Class! Not saying a service increase but definitely a capacity increase.

http://airlineroute.net/2014/05/23/lh-744-s15/

I saw a Lufthansa 744 depart from YVR this afternoon. I couldn't quite see it clearly enough to be sure, but I think the First Class passengers were crying into their champagne at the news of Lufthansa's move to a two-class cabin in 2015.

deasine
May 25, 2014, 2:44 AM
I saw a Lufthansa 744 depart from YVR this afternoon. I couldn't quite see it clearly enough to be sure, but I think the First Class passengers were crying into their champagne at the news of Lufthansa's move to a two-class cabin in 2015.

Well there haven't been many considering they are now cutting it. What is worrying however is that the planes replacing them seem to have the old J seats... meaning any possibility of lie-flat (as opposed to angled lie-flat) is being cut all together now.

VancouverOfTheFuture
May 25, 2014, 4:42 AM
the framing is starting to take shape. the roads are almost done but still have large patches of gravel all over the place.

http://i.imgur.com/OoplUP3.jpg

i took the photo

Gordon
May 27, 2014, 3:44 AM
Will the pier A \B connector project also include an incease iin Food & beverage services for that part of the airport?

casper
May 27, 2014, 12:32 PM
Well there haven't been many considering they are now cutting it. What is worrying however is that the planes replacing them seem to have the old J seats... meaning any possibility of lie-flat (as opposed to angled lie-flat) is being cut all together now.

You will just have to connect in Calgary or Toronto onto Air Canda. :runaway:

Valley_Refugee
May 27, 2014, 4:45 PM
Flights to HNL and OGG have been rouge'd, as expected
(+ a new twice weekly non-stop rouge between YYZ-HNL):

http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/1361925/air-canada-rouge-expands-to-hawaii

Denscity
May 27, 2014, 5:50 PM
Flights to HNL and OGG have been rouge'd, as expected
(+ a new daily rouge between YYZ-HNL):

http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/1361925/air-canada-rouge-expands-to-hawaii

Toronto to Honolulu nonstop? That's a heck of a long flight. Or is it a one-stop in YVR?

Valley_Refugee
May 27, 2014, 6:54 PM
Sorry, edited. Yes, it is non-stop but it is twice weekly, not daily.

deasine
May 27, 2014, 7:00 PM
That will definitely rival UAs EWR-HNL, though I believe UA uses an int'l configured plane (with domestic service, i.e. no complimentary food and pay IFE).

zahav
May 28, 2014, 5:53 AM
the first phase of AB pier is supposed to have more food options yes, i will try and see what they have proposed.. btw, opening of first phase is delayed to mid June

cyeg66
May 28, 2014, 4:54 PM
Wow, April numbers posted. Very impressive. +9.3% by my count, just behind YYC's +9.6%.
http://www.yvr.ca/Libraries/Maps/1992-2014_Enplaned_and_Deplaned_Passengers_Apr_2014.sflb.ashx

International way up 12%!

Denscity
May 28, 2014, 7:13 PM
Wow, April numbers posted. Very impressive. +9.3% by my count, just behind YYC's +9.6%.
http://www.yvr.ca/Libraries/Maps/1992-2014_Enplaned_and_Deplaned_Passengers_Apr_2014.sflb.ashx

International way up 12%!

:cheers: Sick!! And that International increase is ridiculous!! :cheers:
Come on 20 million!!

Johnny Aussie
May 28, 2014, 7:55 PM
:cheers: Sick!! And that International increase is ridiculous!! :cheers:
Come on 20 million!!

Record April for overall (up ~ 125,000), domestic (up ~ 56,000), transborder (up ~ 35,000), Europe (up ~ 12,000) and Asia Pacific (up ~ 26,000). Fantastic 8% YTD growth too. YVR should do a press release with numbers this big.

The only sector seeing a dip is miscellaneous int'l (sun destinations). Down about 1,300 pax. Wonder why that is?

Winter capacity showing even more upticks with rouge's latest YVR moves:

HNL and OGG back to daily next winter (last year both were dropped to 6 weekly). So with more seats squeezed onto the rouge 763s that is a big bump to Hawaii capacity.

LAS going DOUBLE DAILY rouge 319s starting November for the winter scheds.

PHX NEW daily rouge 319 (already reported).

SFO the 3 daily rouge 319s replacing the 3 daily E90s last winter is a 40% increase in seats.

LAX dropping to 3 daily rouge 319s down from 4 daily E90s last winter. Overall though a capacity bump of about 5% to LAX.

There is also the possibility of a new PSP flight.

LeftCoaster
May 28, 2014, 8:14 PM
Given the amount of new flights starting up soon, the larger plans being used on existing routes and what seems like generally high load factors what do you think the odds are YVR breaks 20 million this year?

If it keeps its current growth up it looks like 19.5 million is in its sights, but is there a chance the bigger growth is coming due to upcoming route starts and plane changes?

Johnny Aussie
May 28, 2014, 10:16 PM
Given the amount of new flights starting up soon, the larger plans being used on existing routes and what seems like generally high load factors what do you think the odds are YVR breaks 20 million this year?

If it keeps its current growth up it looks like 19.5 million is in its sights, but is there a chance the bigger growth is coming due to upcoming route starts and plane changes?

Who knows huh?

But with the winter scheds all showing all the above mentioned additional rouge flying + bigger birds on AC to LHR, HKG, PVG and NRT (however, still not showing 787 yet) for the entire winter next year + the new ANA flights to HND + bigger birds on LH to FRA + EVA Air continuing with 4 weekly year-round + DL new flights to SEA + Sunwing additional flying + I expect more to come anyway.... did I miss anything?

On the downside, China Eastern appears to be pulling back to only 1 daily for the winter and Philippine is switching back to the 343 instead of the 773.

Overall though capacity appears to be heading in a constant significant upward direction.

Gordon
May 29, 2014, 12:54 AM
According to YVR's website Mu is running 9 flights/ week in june.

Canadian74
May 29, 2014, 3:53 AM
YVR needs 11.3% overall growth to break 20 million. Honestly 20 million is long overdue for a city like Vancouver. I hope it happens as soon as possible. Ironically, YYC also needs almost the same growth in % terms (11.8%) growth so it can bypass the 15 million mark and go straight to 16 million.

trofirhen
May 29, 2014, 11:04 AM
YVR needs 11.3% overall growth to break 20 million. Honestly 20 million is long overdue for a city like Vancouver. I hope it happens as soon as possible. Ironically, YYC also needs almost the same growth in % terms (11.8%) growth so it can bypass the 15 million mark and go straight to 16 million.
Despite the YYZ hegemony (which has surprisingly eclipsed YUL down to fourth place!) it's great to see YVR and YYC booming ahead. Canadian economic power shifts westward, even if only moderately. I'll be thrilled when YVR becomes that China-South America (Lima, maybe São Paulo) connection hub!!

cyeg66
May 29, 2014, 2:02 PM
Canada needs another airport over 20 million, purely for bragging purposes.:D It would move YVR up into that next, more prestigious, more recognized echelon of international airports, with the likes of the Brisbane's, Copenhagen's, Zurich's, Brussels', LaGuardia's (:haha::haha::haha:), Oslo's (I could go on and on) of this world. Puts it more "on the map", so to speak. Stop slumming with the YYC and YUL's of this world...:D Likely won't happen this year but 2015 will be the banner year. It's been a long time coming and overdue, I might add. Took too long to recover from 2008 levels.

whatnext
May 29, 2014, 3:55 PM
Will the pier A \B connector project also include an incease iin Food & beverage services for that part of the airport?

I notice there's now a Tim Horton's on Miller Road in the cargo strip.

connect2source
May 29, 2014, 4:55 PM
So far YVR is up about 7.65% YTD, at that rate we'll hit about 19,346,732 by year-end. We do, however, have some months ahead that will likely exceed the rate of growth but 20M will still be a challenge for 2014.

casper
May 30, 2014, 1:09 AM
What would make for an interesting AC Rogue flight is Miami. Some connecting traffic off the Asia flights, plus all the local tourist traffic.

Kapten
May 30, 2014, 2:28 AM
What would make for an interesting AC Rogue flight is Miami. Some connecting traffic off the Asia flights, plus all the local tourist traffic.

Supposedly Florida is the most-visited US state by Canadians. So why do we lack non-stop flights there? Do people just prefer to drive?

trofirhen
May 30, 2014, 2:52 AM
Supposedly Florida is the most-visited US state by Canadians. So why do we lack non-stop flights there? Do people just prefer to drive?
No, they go through YYZ, plus it's mostly Eastern Canadians that go there, whereas Vancouverites and Albertans prefer California and Hawaii. It's largely a matter of proximity.