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Hot Rod
Jun 15, 2014, 3:25 AM
3-Star Heavies at YVR.

I'm Lovin' It!

(and, I'm reply 6000 :))

Johnny Aussie
Jun 16, 2014, 10:25 AM
Just read on twitter that Delta is launching 2 daily flights from YVR-LAX in mid December on E75s.

Will post more info when I get it.

I was kind of thinking this might happen with Virgin Australia's CTA approval to operate its flight numbers code share on Delta aircraft (including Skywest). Would make sense to feed VA's flights from LAX -SYD/MEL/BNE and Delta's own flights from LAX to SYD.

trofirhen
Jun 16, 2014, 1:53 PM
Just read on twitter that Delta is launching 2 daily flights from YVR-LAX in mid December on E75s.

Will post more info when I get it.

I was kind of thinking this might happen with Virgin Australia's CTA approval to operate its flight numbers code share on Delta aircraft (including Skywest). Would make sense to feed VA's flights from LAX -SYD/MEL/BNE and Delta's own flights from LAX to SYD.
Would this in any way hamper Vancouver's chances of getting new direct flights to MEL and/or BNE ?

Johnny Aussie
Jun 16, 2014, 2:02 PM
Would this in any way hamper Vancouver's chances of getting new direct flights to MEL and/or BNE ?

If flights were to be established from YVR-MEL or YVR-BNE this would be on Air Canada most likely anyway.

All this is doing is feeding the VA flights (and the DL flights) on DL metal instead of AS as is the case now.

Alaska is THE airline to feed YVR-Australia on QF right now which existed well before the YVR-SYD non-stops on AC anyway.

With the DL/AS drama going on.... Just another example of DL competing head to head with AS.

Gordon
Jun 17, 2014, 3:09 AM
Two new gates B17 & B18 open tomorrow. according to YvE's flight information pages.

tuffyy
Jun 19, 2014, 5:30 PM
American Airlines adding YVR-LAX 2x daily starting Oct 2/14 on CRJ-900's.

http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20140619-909135.html

trofirhen
Jun 19, 2014, 5:39 PM
American Airlines adding YVR-LAX 2x daily starting Oct 2/14 on CRJ-900's.

http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20140619-909135.html

Along with the 2 new daily flights by Delta, plus WJ, AC, United, and AS, this is becoming even more Vancouver's busiest transborder route.

tuffyy
Jun 19, 2014, 5:42 PM
Along with the 2 new daily flights by Delta, plus WJ, AC, United, and AS, this is becoming even more Vancouver's busiest transborder route.

It's looking more and more like a AS, DL and now AA fight for numbers to the pacific hubs...

trofirhen
Jun 19, 2014, 8:13 PM
It's looking more and more like a AS, DL and now AA fight for numbers to the pacific hubs...
How will this benefit YVR? What connections can we expect to gain from the route?

trofirhen
Jun 19, 2014, 9:55 PM
Speaking to a route planner / developer at YVR, it seems as if these "visa-free" zones are fairly common in many countries, Canada lagging behind.

For example, Emirates, operating through Dubai, now handles a lot of of South America-bound Chinese passeners through DBX, which has such a zone, and has a quality product.

He said that Emirates has plans to move into Santiago and Lima (they already serve São Paolo it seems) ---- and if this is the case, the visa-free zone planned for YVR would be (excuse the language) "castrated."

The visa-free zone (one of which YYZ would no doubt have, too) is a priority, as Emirates expands and expands, gobbling up routes and potential routes worldwide, not to mention having a significant negative impact on YVR unless action is taken on this: soon.

Johnny Aussie
Jun 19, 2014, 10:47 PM
6 airlines going to be on the YVR-LAX route: AC, AS, WS, UA, DL and now AA.

I cannot remember the last time any route out of YVR had this many carriers on it.

This latest announcement surprises me but I guess AA thinks this will work. Something's going to have to give I reckon.

Hourglass
Jun 19, 2014, 10:52 PM
6 airlines going to be on the YVR-LAX route: AC, AS, WS, UA, DL and now AA.

I cannot remember the last time any route out of YVR had this many carriers on it.

This latest announcement surprises me but I guess AA thinks this will work. Something's going to have to give I reckon.

Yeah, has the makings of a bloodbath. Will be great for the consumer for a while, though...

trofirhen
Jun 19, 2014, 11:23 PM
It may not be a bloodbath if that "VISA-FREE" zone is never built.
People will have to connect to South America through LAX, and AA now has several major South American destinations from LAX, unlike before.
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Just how many flights per day will this all make between YVR and LAX (while this configuration still holds)?

SpongeG
Jun 20, 2014, 2:05 AM
the outlet mall has some structure up, they are also building a miniature version which looks like some kind of signage for it at the south end of the bridge there

excel
Jun 20, 2014, 4:00 AM
Just how many flights per day will this all make between YVR and LAX (while this configuration still holds)?

AA = 2 Daily (Skywest CRJ-900)
AC = 4 Daily (Rouge A319)
AS = 4 Daily (3 737-700 1 737-400)
DL = 2 Daily (Compass E-175)
UA = 1 Daily (Skywest CRJ-700)
WS = 3 Daily (2 737-800 1 737-700)

Total = 16 Daily YVR-LAX

stiffdeadman
Jun 20, 2014, 4:28 AM
i think united will be the first to drop out with their one little crj700 flight.

just read the news on airlinerroute. says the delta service is only from dec 20 to jan 4.

also says that they are only operating 4 flights a day to seattle instead of the 5 they had announced.

usog
Jun 20, 2014, 7:28 AM
i think united will be the first to drop out with their one little crj700 flight.

just read the news on airlinerroute. says the delta service is only from dec 20 to jan 4.

also says that they are only operating 4 flights a day to seattle instead of the 5 they had announced.

I'm pretty sure United have a few A319/A320 flights per day as well. I don't see them dropping a flight between two star alliance hubs either. In fact I'll be flying them instead of Air Canada to California now thanks to the rouge replacement of the E190s.

Johnny Aussie
Jun 20, 2014, 3:35 PM
I'm pretty sure United have a few A319/A320 flights per day as well. I don't see them dropping a flight between two star alliance hubs either. In fact I'll be flying them instead of Air Canada to California now thanks to the rouge replacement of the E190s.

Actually UA is only one daily to LAX on a CR7. The A319/A320 flights are to SFO one of which carries on to LAX.

Johnny Aussie
Jun 20, 2014, 3:39 PM
i think united will be the first to drop out with their one little crj700 flight.

just read the news on airlinerroute. says the delta service is only from dec 20 to jan 4.

also says that they are only operating 4 flights a day to seattle instead of the 5 they had announced.

Point 1: I wouldn't be so sure about that. In fact maybe go the other way.

Point 2: Delta has not loaded these flights yet and in fact only showing in one direction (LAX-YVR) right now. I was waiting before the whole sched is loaded to be sure what its seasonality is or if it is year round.

Point 3: this was reported months ago. Delta dropped the YVR-SEA route to 4 daily shortly after announcing the route launch.

Johnny Aussie
Jun 20, 2014, 3:45 PM
AA = 2 Daily (Skywest CRJ-900)
AC = 4 Daily (Rouge A319)
AS = 4 Daily (3 737-700 1 737-400)
DL = 2 Daily (Compass E-175)
UA = 1 Daily (Skywest CRJ-700)
WS = 3 Daily (2 737-800 1 737-700)

Total = 16 Daily YVR-LAX

By the time the new players jump into the fray...

AC drops to 3 daily for the winter but one daily becomes a 763.
AS drops to 3 daily for the winter. But right now 4 daily with some 739s and 738s up and down the coast.
WS is not quite 3 daily. It's 19 weekly in the summer but only 2 daily in winter. Plus there is the daily SNA flight too.

But still... That's a lot of flying on one transborder route!

Gordon
Jun 20, 2014, 4:28 PM
The Rouge 763 has 280seats the capacity remains the same

spm2013
Jun 20, 2014, 4:55 PM
Any updates on the progress of construction for the outlet mall?

jlousa
Jun 20, 2014, 5:33 PM
Metro Vancouver has issued a tender looking at the feasibility of capitalizing on the heat produced at the Iona water plant. Think we'll see more of this, as Metro Vancouver tries to find other revenue sources to keep down their exploding expenditures over the next decade.

SCOPE: To conduct a technical and financial feasibility assessment of using effluent heat or excess process heat from Iona Island Waste Water Treatment Plant to meet Vancouver International Airport and other nearby loads.

Gordon
Jun 20, 2014, 9:29 PM
Phase 1 of the Pier A\B connector project opened today. the remaining phases

will include 3 new gates each. will these include re doing 12,13&14?

Johnny Aussie
Jun 21, 2014, 1:56 AM
Allegiant has dropped both BLI-OGG and BLI-HNL.

In addition, AS has reduced BLI-HNL flights as well.

Yes of course BLI does have an affect on YVR but I see this as significant as I don't think BLI has been the force some people think it has been.

Good news for WS and AC nonetheless (and perhaps a future HA route!)

Hot Rod
Jun 21, 2014, 6:37 AM
Surprised HA doesn't already serve Vancouver with YVR-HNL and possibly YVR-OGG also.

hollywoodnorth
Jun 21, 2014, 6:46 AM
Allegiant has dropped both BLI-OGG and BLI-HNL.

In addition, AS has reduced BLI-HNL flights as well.

Yes of course BLI does have an affect on YVR but I see this as significant as I don't think BLI has been the force some people think it has been.

Good news for WS and AC nonetheless (and perhaps a future HA route!)

great news! I am hoping the new expansion at BLI turns out to be a nice big fat while elephant for them :) :cheers: :notacrook:

red-paladin
Jun 21, 2014, 7:16 AM
Metro Vancouver has issued a tender looking at the feasibility of capitalizing on the heat produced at the Iona water plant. Think we'll see more of this, as Metro Vancouver tries to find other revenue sources to keep down their exploding expenditures over the next decade.

A great idea, hope it works.

SpongeG
Jun 21, 2014, 7:37 PM
Any updates on the progress of construction for the outlet mall?

the structure is going up on the north east side and there is a fancy model type sign going on at the south end of the art laing bridge, looks pretty cool

SpongeG
Jun 21, 2014, 7:43 PM
some pics i took on wednesday of the pier A/B from the plane...

this first one shows some the tent kind of structure to the right that is used for smaller planes - will they keep this?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/853/jfbc.jpg

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/820/oanz.jpg

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/855/7in1.jpg

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/822/cyjr.jpg

new fire station
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/822/vbwv.jpg

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/842/mt6y.jpg

twoNeurons
Jun 24, 2014, 12:50 AM
BLI will do well as long as the CAD dollar remains high. Recently, the CAD has made BLI less competitive than say, two years ago.

I recently booked a flight from YVR - LAX which was about the same price as BLI - LAX or SEA - LAX when all things were considered.

casper
Jun 24, 2014, 1:22 AM
Surprised HA doesn't already serve Vancouver with YVR-HNL and possibly YVR-OGG also.

US Airlines have never been able to make that route work. I would hold out more hope for Alaska to try at some point in the future. Alaska operates smaller aircraft that HA.

YVR Bruce
Jun 24, 2014, 3:32 AM
I would hold out more hope for Alaska to try at some point in the future. Alaska operates smaller aircraft that HA.

AS ran this route for a time with B733 (classic type) a/c. The problem was that they chronically left luggage at YVR for capacity issues. While the 737 NG is better, it will take a few years for that customer service problem to be lost to the sands of time.

stiffdeadman
Jun 24, 2014, 5:00 AM
US Airlines have never been able to make that route work. I would hold out more hope for Alaska to try at some point in the future. Alaska operates smaller aircraft that HA.

a long time ago before open skies i remember continental ran a dc-10 from yvr to hnl.

tuffyy
Jun 24, 2014, 5:21 PM
DL has reduced planned YVR-LAX service to one daily E75 and is now calling it "holiday service" from Dec-Jan.

usog
Jun 25, 2014, 8:20 AM
http://news.delta.com/2014-06-24-Deltas-Main-International-Gateways-Offer-Automated-Passport-Control-Program
Saw this on anet, pretty cool that the YVR airport authority is not only innovating but sharing it as well. Didn't know we were the first to get the kiosks but man they're such an improvement.

Johnny Aussie
Jun 25, 2014, 8:42 AM
http://news.delta.com/2014-06-24-Deltas-Main-International-Gateways-Offer-Automated-Passport-Control-Program
Saw this on anet, pretty cool that the YVR airport authority is not only innovating but sharing it as well. Didn't know we were the first to get the kiosks but man they're such an improvement.

Yeah they are amazing.

Use them in MEL/SYD airports all the time too. Having both Canadian and Aussie passports can pretty much breeze through at both ends of my flights (when going to Canada).
In Australia: Aussies, Kiwis, Singaporeans, Americans and Brits can use them.

casper
Jun 26, 2014, 5:12 AM
Yeah they are amazing.

Use them in MEL/SYD airports all the time too. Having both Canadian and Aussie passports can pretty much breeze through at both ends of my flights (when going to Canada).
In Australia: Aussies, Kiwis, Singaporeans, Americans and Brits can use them.

Seattle has had them for a least one month. About a month ago I cleared US customs there and it is an improvement. It does save a lot of time. Despite the Delta spin to the announcement, it applies to all the airlnes including Alaska.

Since Victoria does not have US pre-clearance at the airport you we have to do that in Seattle.

Johnny Aussie
Jun 26, 2014, 9:11 AM
DL has reduced planned YVR-LAX service to one daily E75 and is now calling it "holiday service" from Dec-Jan.

Well there you go. The DL announcement a bit of a dud after all. They had a strange way of loading those flights. At one point 2 daily only in the LAX-YVR direction. However, would not be surprised if this gets picked up year-round later as summer is huge travel between YVR-LAX.

Case in point, AS has just upgauged YVR-LAX in August again...
Sunday-Friday 4 daily operated by 3 739s and 1 738. Saturday 3 flights only with a mix of a/c.

So during the Xmas peak YVR-LAX will be up to 12 daily flights. Pretty much the same as now actually but AC is really upping the capacity along with the new AA(US) and DL flights.

phesto
Jun 26, 2014, 2:49 PM
Doesn't surprise me about Allegiant dropping Hawaii. Two different couples that I know that were looking to go to Hawaii on a 'cheaper than YVR budget' last year opted for SEA over Allegiant/BLI because of the aircraft and departure/arrival times.

Sadly, I think this will give WS and AC breathing room to increase fares on the YVR-Hawaii routes. They have been offering some very low fares over the past 12 months...hopefully I'm wrong!

Gordon
Jun 26, 2014, 5:17 PM
The Federal Government is reviewing the Canadian Transportation Act, including competitiveness.

I'd like to see WS change SFO & ORD to year around to bring some competition to those routes.

Gates B13 and B14 seem to be out of service. are they removing the doubel headed bridges?

Genauso
Jun 26, 2014, 10:05 PM
The Federal Government is reviewing the Canadian Transportation Act, including competitiveness.

I would take that to mean something like allowing Mexican truckers to continue their routes all the way into Canada. Although the bill is primarily coming up from a decade of railway disasters, record profits and an impotent regulator.

You're not going to see the Federal government relax any of their incomes from air travel. They definitely will be cautious in forcing domestic airlines to take on service that loses them money, or in allowing foreign competitors threatening the same by undercutting artificially squeezed mainline routes. If Air Canada or WestJet collapsed, they'd lose politically no matter their response. Besides, our domestic airlines will have a lot more opportunities to become strong and expand into the world as air traffic moves away from Europe basically. The 787s are just arriving and the 777s on the horizon look even better.

I don't know what it will cost them, but the proposed visa free travel for continuing passengers is something worth hoping for in the near term.

craneSpotter
Jun 26, 2014, 11:08 PM
Doesn't surprise me about Allegiant dropping Hawaii. Two different couples that I know that were looking to go to Hawaii on a 'cheaper than YVR budget' last year opted for SEA over Allegiant/BLI because of the aircraft and departure/arrival times.

Sadly, I think this will give WS and AC breathing room to increase fares on the YVR-Hawaii routes. They have been offering some very low fares over the past 12 months...hopefully I'm wrong!

Add us, we were doing the same last winter and ended up driving right through Bellingham on to SEA for the same reasons. Didn't help that some people were referring to Allegiant planes as 'torture tubes' either...

Prices to Hawaii for this coming 2014/15 winter season do seem to be higher than they were over the past few years. Not sure if that is a result of the changes at BLI. We are switching back to AS for the next two trips - YYJ via SEA - because of the US/CAD exchange and the AS annual companion fares that don't exclude Hawaii (Alaska Airlines MC):D

Johnny Aussie
Jun 30, 2014, 11:34 PM
Happy Canada Day from Singapore. It's July 1st here already.

I almost couldn't believe my eyes. 10% growth overall... Wow!

Overall up 10.0% YTD 8.4%
Domestic up 7.2% YTD 6.9%
Transborder up 12.3% YTD 8.9%
Asia Pacific up 16.9% YTD 13.2%
Europe up 10.0% YTD 10.4%
Misc Int'l up 6.0% YTD 3.6%

In pax terms that's 57,000 more domestic, 43,000 more transborder, 35,000 more Asia Pacific, 11,000 more Europe, 1,400 more Misc Int'l. Overall up approx 148,000 pax from May 2013. That's huge growth.

If this trend continues, and it should, YVR should record its first 2M pax month in August. July should come close but not quite.

Cargo also showing decent 5.3% growth in May.

http://yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/rpt_Traffic_Update_may_2014.sflb.ashx

trofirhen
Jul 1, 2014, 12:05 AM
Happy Canada Day from Singapore. It's July 1st here already.

I almost couldn't believe my eyes. 10% growth overall... Wow!

Overall up 10.0% YTD 8.4%
Domestic up 7.2% YTD 6.9%
Transborder up 12.3% YTD 8.9%
Asia Pacific up 16.9% YTD 13.2%
Europe up 10.0% YTD 10.4%
Misc Int'l up 6.0% YTD 3.6%

In pax terms that's 57,000 more domestic, 43,000 more transborder, 35,000 more Asia Pacific, 11,000 more Europe, 1,400 more Misc Int'l. Overall up approx 148,000 pax from May 2013. That's huge growth.

If this trend continues, and it should, YVR should record its first 2M pax month in August. July should come close but not quite.

Cargo also showing decent 5.3% growth in May.

http://yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/rpt_Traffic_Update_may_2014.sflb.ashx

It'll be a banner year when YVR hits the 20 million pax mark. It's coming sooner or later, more like sooner than later if this trend keeps up.

Gordon
Jul 1, 2014, 2:08 AM
Does any one know what he 2014 pax no's are for bli

spaceprobe
Jul 2, 2014, 3:15 AM
saw a plane which said on the side Republique Francaise at yvr today. Does anyone know what it is/what is it doing? Doesn't look like air france!

madog222
Jul 2, 2014, 3:49 AM
saw a plane which said on the side Republique Francaise at yvr today. Does anyone know what it is/what is it doing? Doesn't look like air france!

French Air Force, a quick google brings up only this so it isn't an unusual event.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41645839@N00/13457139004/
from the comments

They've been in quite a few times now over the past couple months.

spm2013
Jul 2, 2014, 5:30 AM
In March it stopped in Honolulu then Vancouver and then to Paris.

F-RAJA (msn 075), an A340-212 belonging to the French Air Force's (Armée de l'Air) Commandment du Transport Aérien Militaire Français (COTAM), has been making stops at HNL recently. According to FlightRadar24.com, flies from HNL to YVR, then CDG. F-RAJA departed HNL this morning as "COTAM1018" (above), and was seen last Thursday parked at Gate 34.

Most recent one was from Paris and F-RAJB:

http://www.flightradar24.com/reg/frajb

red-paladin
Jul 2, 2014, 7:38 AM
Transporting diplomats perhaps?

craneSpotter
Jul 2, 2014, 6:18 PM
Does any one know what he 2014 pax no's are for bli

2014 probably won't be very good year for them - c/y 2013 BLI saw only +3.3% pax growth over 2012. So quite a bit slower than the 13% growth 2012 had over 2011.

According to the RITA/BTS from April 2013 to March 2014 BLI had a slight drop in traffic (US flights only, but they don't have international AFAIK). http://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports.asp?pn=1&Airport=BLI

craneSpotter
Jul 3, 2014, 12:12 AM
Aspiring airline Canada Jetlines plans TSX Venture listing in hunt for capital

July 2, 2014 - Financial Post (http://www.theprovince.com/Aspiring+airline+Canada+Jetlines+plans+Venture+listing+hunt+capital/9994494/story.html?__federated=1)

Canada is one step closer to having a new airline after Canada Jetlines Ltd. announced plans to raise $10-million and list on the TSX Venture Exchange.

The fledgling carrier has entered into a letter of intent with a capital pool company called Inovent Capital Inc. under which it will negotiate a reverse takeover that would give Jetlines access to the stock market.

Under the proposed deal, Inovent aims to raise $10-million prior to Jetlines’ listing on the Venture Exchange.

Hope they raise the capital, be interesting to see a ULCC from Canada.. they may find a niche if they pick the right routes... and have slick advertising!

spm2013
Jul 3, 2014, 2:44 AM
Transporting diplomats perhaps?

Seems pretty expensive to transport diplomats but seems plausible unless there's some secret CIA prison in Vancouver that we don't know about. :)

casper
Jul 3, 2014, 2:50 AM
Aspiring airline Canada Jetlines plans TSX Venture listing in hunt for capital

July 2, 2014 - Financial Post (http://www.theprovince.com/Aspiring+airline+Canada+Jetlines+plans+Venture+listing+hunt+capital/9994494/story.html?__federated=1)



Hope they raise the capital, be interesting to see a ULCC from Canada.. they may find a niche if they pick the right routes... and have slick advertising!

I don't quite understand. In the article it said this is the brain child of "Tim Morgan, who has been running charter airline Enerjet since 2006". I thought Enerjet was a low-cost value focused airline that was suppose to service undeserved western Canada cities to places like Mexico and Las Vegas.

The airline Tim founded on this model is not executing on the model so he is found another airline? I don't know much about the airline industry but this sounds weird? Perhaps Enerjet and this new ailine will someday merge?

Johnny Aussie
Jul 3, 2014, 1:46 PM
As expected AC will launch its second 787 route from YVR to NRT effective 15 December replacing the daily 763.

http://airlineroute.net/2014/07/03/ac-yvrnrt-w14/

The PVG and NRT routes will rotate through YVR.

The full 787 sched... So far...

AC4 will arrive from NRT at 10:40 and AC25 will depart to PVG at 12:10
AC26 will arrive from PVG at 12:25 and AC3 will depart to NRT at 14:25

This represents an approx 19% increase in seats on both routes.

craneSpotter
Jul 3, 2014, 10:46 PM
I don't quite understand. In the article it said this is the brain child of "Tim Morgan, who has been running charter airline Enerjet since 2006". I thought Enerjet was a low-cost value focused airline that was suppose to service undeserved western Canada cities to places like Mexico and Las Vegas.

The airline Tim founded on this model is not executing on the model so he is found another airline? I don't know much about the airline industry but this sounds weird? Perhaps Enerjet and this new ailine will someday merge?

You should read the article again :) Hmm by your posts I just assumed you worked for Westjet...

At the end of the article about Jetlines they mention another potential ULCC that was just recently announced by the charter airline enerjet founder (and westjet cofounder) Tim Morgan to be called Jet Naked or something... or maybe he's just blowing smoke?? Dunno I'm not involved in the industry, just a follower.

Kapten
Jul 3, 2014, 10:57 PM
Another airline, Jet Naked, is planning to launch Canadian service soon as an ULCC. Apparently this airline will have a management team with experience at Spirit and WestJet...

casper
Jul 4, 2014, 1:47 AM
You should read the article again :) Hmm by your posts I just assumed you worked for Westjet...

At the end of the article about Jetlines they mention another potential ULCC that was just recently announced by the charter airline enerjet founder (and westjet cofounder) Tim Morgan to be called Jet Naked or something... or maybe he's just blowing smoke?? Dunno I'm not involved in the industry, just a follower.

Your right, though it is weird.

I have never worked for either WestJet or Air Canada. For work I spent a lot of time as a passenger on both Air Canada and WestJet. For over a decade I was Air Canada Elite passanger, now it is hit and miss mostly because I evenly balanced between airlines as a passanger. I had a bit of involvement in airline reservation systems many years ago but thing have changed quite a bit since then.

Valley_Refugee
Jul 7, 2014, 6:04 PM
Confirming long-swirling rumours, WestJet just announced they will begin flying widebodies in (probably) fall 2015. First routes will be Alberta-Hawaii. I imagine we can expect to see some European routes in summer 2016 and some YVR routes generally.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/business/WestJet+going+ahead+with+wide+body+aircraft+move+increase/10008070/story.html

stiffdeadman
Jul 8, 2014, 7:05 AM
"quality used aircraft" sounds like 767-300's. sure they can find some cheap ones as 787's start replacing them with other airlines.

casper
Jul 9, 2014, 2:41 AM
"quality used aircraft" sounds like 767-300's. sure they can find some cheap ones as 787's start replacing them with other airlines.

The Airbus 330 is also an option.

PaperTiger
Jul 9, 2014, 3:42 PM
I just heard that Air Canada is starting YVR - PTY on December 17th. Has anyone else heard this? Is it permanent or seasonal?

PaperTiger
Jul 9, 2014, 3:49 PM
Nevermind. It is YYZ- PTY that is staring up. Figures.

trofirhen
Jul 9, 2014, 4:16 PM
Nevermind. It is YYZ- PTY that is staring up. Figures.
YYZ seems determined (with the help of Ottawa) to get all of Central & South America tied up. Wouldn't that be a handy way to quash YVR
ever becoming a China-South America link, or am I once again being too pessimistic?
(To be fair, the YYZ catchment area has the market size that YVR simply does not)

SpongeG
Jul 9, 2014, 10:36 PM
what is pty?

Denscity
Jul 9, 2014, 11:20 PM
what is pty?

Panama.

Johnny Aussie
Jul 10, 2014, 1:05 AM
what is pty?

FYI if you ever need to know what an airport code is just google "airport code XXX" and it will give it to you. Save you the hastle from having to ask one of us avgeeks.

casper
Jul 10, 2014, 2:55 AM
YYZ seems determined (with the help of Ottawa) to get all of Central & South America tied up. Wouldn't that be a handy way to quash YVR
ever becoming a China-South America link, or am I once again being too pessimistic?
(To be fair, the YYZ catchment area has the market size that YVR simply does not)

If Air Canada is operating the flight only three times per week using the A319 they probably don't think much of route. The 319 is a fairly small aircraft for International service. I am not certain it could even make it from Vancouver.

Hourglass
Jul 10, 2014, 3:26 AM
If Air Canada is operating the flight only three times per week using the A319 they probably don't think much of route. The 319 is a fairly small aircraft for International service. I am not certain it could even make it from Vancouver.

Not to mention YYZ would have a lot more baseline O&D traffic to Panama than YVR would.

Klazu
Jul 10, 2014, 5:22 AM
I am on my mobile right now, but isnt Copa Air already flying that route?

Valley_Refugee
Jul 10, 2014, 4:47 PM
I am on my mobile right now, but isnt Copa Air already flying that route?

Yes, I believe COPA does 4x weekly to YYZ and 4x to YUL.

rinathq
Jul 10, 2014, 8:22 PM
Hey guys! I am a spotter from YYZ and YYC making my first visit to YVR and I am super excited to spot in what is known as one of the most spotter friendly airport.

I was wondering if you guys can give me some advise on spotting locations around YVR. I heard there is a spotters deck somewhere... can anyone give me the address or direction on how to get there?

eemy
Jul 11, 2014, 12:42 PM
YYZ seems determined (with the help of Ottawa) to get all of Central & South America tied up. Wouldn't that be a handy way to quash YVR
ever becoming a China-South America link, or am I once again being too pessimistic?
(To be fair, the YYZ catchment area has the market size that YVR simply does not)

You always seem to see a conspiracy in favour of YYZ that really does not match the facts. I don't believe the federal government has dictated where airlines can fly in bilateral agreements in ages, where they don't feel an open skies agreement is appropriate, they simply limit overall capacity. In any case, the bilateral agreement with Panama allows airlines to fly to any point in Canada, so it's hard to see how the government is holding YVR back here. They have expanded the bilateral to quite a number of S. American countries as well, since 2006, including Brazil.

Vancouver has scarcely any immigration from South America and it is less suited as a transfer point for both Europe and Asia from South America. The number of immigrants from Central and South America living in Vancouver (as of 2006) was 23,600 compared to 154,700 in Toronto. That doesn't mean it couldn't succeed as a point for connections, but generally speaking a route that is supported by strong O&D traffic will perform much better, and it is easy to see how Toronto is significantly better positioned to leverage that.

Finally, YVR simply isn't as optimally located for S. America to China. Connections through YYZ are shorter, significantly in some cases, than through YVR.

Honestly, you complain about YVR being short-changed all the time, but the facts do not support it. Toronto and Southern Ontario are an enormous market and are very close to an even larger market, one of the largest air travel markets in the world. You don't need a conspiracy theory to explain why airlines are so eager to serve Toronto compared to Vancouver, especially when Vancouver is already a massive over achiever in air service compared to other cities similar in population.

trofirhen
Jul 11, 2014, 3:17 PM
You always seem to see a conspiracy in favour of YYZ that really does not match the facts. I don't believe the federal government has dictated where airlines can fly in bilateral agreements in ages, where they don't feel an open skies agreement is appropriate, they simply limit overall capacity. In any case, the bilateral agreement with Panama allows airlines to fly to any point in Canada, so it's hard to see how the government is holding YVR back here. They have expanded the bilateral to quite a number of S. American countries as well, since 2006, including Brazil.

Vancouver has scarcely any immigration from South America and it is less suited as a transfer point for both Europe and Asia from South America. The number of immigrants from Central and South America living in Vancouver (as of 2006) was 23,600 compared to 154,700 in Toronto. That doesn't mean it couldn't succeed as a point for connections, but generally speaking a route that is supported by strong O&D traffic will perform much better, and it is easy to see how Toronto is significantly better positioned to leverage that.

Finally, YVR simply isn't as optimally located for S. America to China. Connections through YYZ are shorter, significantly in some cases, than through YVR.

Honestly, you complain about YVR being short-changed all the time, but the facts do not support it. Toronto and Southern Ontario are an enormous market and are very close to an even larger market, one of the largest air travel markets in the world. You don't need a conspiracy theory to explain why airlines are so eager to serve Toronto compared to Vancouver, especially when Vancouver is already a massive over achiever in air service compared to other cities similar in population.

Thank you, Jeremy. I clearly see your point, and I stand corrected.

eemy
Jul 11, 2014, 4:08 PM
Perhaps it is misleading, but YVR-LAX lags only a certain degree behind SEA-LAX .... still a big market.

I wonder what YVR-YYZ is? Anybody know? Surely that would be YVR's busiest domestic route.

Unfortunately Statistics Canada doesn't seem to be publishing their domestic Origin & Destination report online anymore, but they still have their report from 1999 on their website.

Top ten domestic routes (000s):
YYZ-YUL - 1,432
YYZ-YVR - 1,144
YYZ-YOW - 741
YYZ-YYC - 696
YYZ-YWG - 451
YYZ-YHZ - 427
YYZ-YEG - 358
YVR-YUL - 344
YVR-YOW - 219
YYZ-YYT - 188
Source: http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/51-204-x/51-204-x1999000-eng.pdf


I'd expect things to be significantly different now considering how much has changed in air travel in Canada over the past 15 years.

Denscity
Jul 11, 2014, 6:01 PM
I cant believe YVR - YYC isn't in that top 10^^^. Surely its higher than Vancouver - Ottawa??

Klazu
Jul 11, 2014, 7:04 PM
Are those YYZ-YUL travelers mostly domestic flyers or transit passangers? If the former, it really tells you how much potential there would be for a Toronto-Montreal high-speed rail. Flying that leg is just cumbersome.

I am surprised how Toronto-centric that list is. I was expecting more cross-country flights to top the list. It's a huge country we live in.

trofirhen
Jul 11, 2014, 8:54 PM
Are those YYZ-YUL travelers mostly domestic flyers or transit passangers? If the former, it really tells you how much potential there would be for a Toronto-Montreal high-speed rail. Flying that leg is just cumbersome.

I am surprised how Toronto-centric that list is. I was expecting more cross-country flights to top the list. It's a huge country we live in.
In fact, there IS Toronto - Montreal HSR. The problem is that it isn't very ... er, "high speed" going a max of 90 mph (?)k/h. FastISH, but nothing like Japan or Europe.

Johnny Aussie
Jul 12, 2014, 12:30 AM
Honestly, you complain about YVR being short-changed all the time, but the facts do not support it.

Exactly... The facts speak for themselves but are often ignored. But instead focussing on pie in the sky routes that YVR cannot support.

Absolutely one can arbitrarily pick any two cities and compare them but in reality YVR is very VERY well served based on its size, demographics, geographical location, economy etcetera etcetera....

YVR can also thank Vancouver's multi ethnic population. This will always help with VFR traffic. YVR has by far (and I mean BY FAR) the largest Asian population in Western Canada. So this fact plus YVR's strategic location on the west coast is a bit of hindrance to other cities in Western Canada getting direct Asian flights. Other direct flights may be coming to other cities but just look at the sheer number of flights, airlines and destinations from YVR. And they are still coming and more to come. Like it or lump it... It's all about Asia. And they seem to be doing fine WITHOUT South America links so I don't quite get the hysteria either.

trofirhen
Jul 12, 2014, 1:40 AM
Exactly... The facts speak for themselves but are often ignored. But instead focussing on pie in the sky routes that YVR cannot support.

Absolutely one can arbitrarily pick any two cities and compare them but in reality YVR is very VERY well served based on its size, demographics, geographical location, economy etcetera etcetera....

YVR can also thank Vancouver's multi ethnic population. This will always help with VFR traffic. YVR has by far (and I mean BY FAR) the largest Asian population in Western Canada. So this fact plus YVR's strategic location on the west coast is a bit of hindrance to other cities in Western Canada getting direct Asian flights. Other direct flights may be coming to other cities but just look at the shear number of flights, airlines and destinations from YVR. And they are still coming and more to come. Like it or lump it... It's all about Asia. And they seem to be doing fine WITHOUT South America links so I don't quite get the hysteria either.
Again, I stand corrected. I guess I had just hoped for a couple of more routes to hitherto unserved regions from YVR, including South America, which has been discussed officially.
But as Johnny and Jeremy Haak both point out, regions of the world, other than Asia, just don't warrant flights from YVR which cannot be supported due to low passenger volume / yield.
Conversely, I have to admit wondering about India. I know there's a stalemate there airline-wise, but Vancouver does have a very large South Asian population, too.

eemy
Jul 12, 2014, 2:32 AM
India has a number of barriers to getting service from Canada. It is a long route, and tends to be primarily VFR traffic and is therefore not very high-yielding. Compound the low yields and high costs with the fact that the market has heavy competition in every direction (through Europe and through Asia) and VFR traffic is more than happy to take non-direct flights, and you have a route that is very difficult to justify.

Jet Airways seems to be able to make their Toronto flight work with a stop in Brussels. I imagine a future flight to Vancouver would similarly have a stop.

DDP
Jul 13, 2014, 12:47 PM
Re India I'm surprised YVR/Bc itself doesn't make more noise about bringing Emirites or Ethihad in to service India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Saudi, and of coarse the UAE and other gulf regions. Even 3x week would be huge for region IMO.

Air India is mess financially, jet would need to stop somewhere to make it work, AC needs to send you through Frankfurt or Istanbul which means secondary cities are hard to get to, and holding prices high.

I'm in Ontario but know many Indians out that way who drive to Seattle to do there trips home, wonder how much traffic YVR is losing to Seattle emirates flight.

trofirhen
Jul 13, 2014, 2:19 PM
Re India I'm surprised YVR/Bc itself doesn't make more noise about bringing Emirites or Ethihad in to service India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Saudi, and of coarse the UAE and other gulf regions. Even 3x week would be huge for region IMO.

Air India is mess financially, jet would need to stop somewhere to make it work, AC needs to send you through Frankfurt or Istanbul which means secondary cities are hard to get to, and holding prices high.

I'm in Ontario but know many Indians out that way who drive to Seattle to do there trips home, wonder how much traffic YVR is losing to Seattle emirates flight.
As I understand, QATAR made a request for a flight YVR-Doha, more than a year back. The feds turned it down, I imagine that it would "prey" on Canadian routes to India.
So where are the freking routes, anyway, particularly since AC itself won't start something the snuck up.:koko:

Vagabond
Jul 13, 2014, 5:33 PM
Re India I'm surprised YVR/Bc itself doesn't make more noise about bringing Emirites or Ethihad in to service India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Saudi, and of coarse the UAE and other gulf regions. Even 3x week would be huge for region IMO.

Air India is mess financially, jet would need to stop somewhere to make it work, AC needs to send you through Frankfurt or Istanbul which means secondary cities are hard to get to, and holding prices high.

I'm in Ontario but know many Indians out that way who drive to Seattle to do there trips home, wonder how much traffic YVR is losing to Seattle emirates flight.

A friend of mine who works for Emirates (EK) told me about a year and a half ago that, on an average day, about 7% of the SEA-DXB flight was traffic making the connection from/to Vancouver (for what it's worth). I'm guessing this would not include those who drove down to Seattle.

He also told me that the SEA-DXB flight meant that the chances EK will fly to YVR in the near future are slim to none. EK is really trying to funnel passengers from YVR through SEA on AS and are targeting not just Indian passengers in the Lower Mainland but also Iranians, Lebanese, etc. For destinations like BOM and DEL, EK might not be the best option, but for smaller cities in the region (not served by the likes of BA, Lufthansa, & Cathay Pacific) they are very competitive out of YVR.

Also, just a note on Air India, things there appear to be on the upswing. Just admitted to the Star Alliance, launching a host of new routes with their 787s, consolidating a genunine hub at DEL - all are good signs that (at some point in the not too distant future) they will likely turn their eyes again to the large Indian diaspora in Canada. Obviously restarting YYZ will be their priority, but I think AI is now far and away the most likely candidate to fly YVR-DEL non-stop (even if this is still extremely unlikely).

IMO, the most logical airline to start YVR-DEL service is actually (and ironically) AC Rouge, which could do a seasonal charter in the busy winter season on a 767 with a refuel stop somewhere in northern Europe (and to pick up/drop off a few Nordic ski bums on the way to/from Whistler). No messing around with the non-existent business traffic and a priority focus on keeping costs low (an all important factor to many Indian travellers). Shave an hour or two and a few $ off what it currently on offer and it might just work ;).

Cage
Jul 13, 2014, 5:35 PM
Re India I'm surprised YVR/Bc itself doesn't make more noise about bringing Emirites or Ethihad in to service India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Saudi, and of coarse the UAE and other gulf regions. Even 3x week would be huge for region IMO.

Air India is mess financially, jet would need to stop somewhere to make it work, AC needs to send you through Frankfurt or Istanbul which means secondary cities are hard to get to, and holding prices high.

I'm in Ontario but know many Indians out that way who drive to Seattle to do there trips home, wonder how much traffic YVR is losing to Seattle emirates flight.

Cannot be that much traffic YVR is losing to SEA, EK only has 77W on the route. I would think with 50 A380s on the property that SEA-DXB would warrant the super ugly if demand was there.

Johnny Aussie
Jul 14, 2014, 12:53 AM
Now that Air India has joined Star Alliance there is a better chance of restarting Canada flights.

However, as for YVR, I think more likely will be code-shares, possibly through PVG, ICN and/or perhaps NRT on AC.

In this case if AI can negotiate a code share through any of these ports, it will certainly streamline the traffic for them.

Like Cage mentioned, mainly VFR traffic and not fussed about making one stop connections.

Flying via DXB is actually quite a long way out of the way. It is faster than via Europe but only marginally shorter than HKG. Via PEK is 1000 miles shorter than DXB.

Right now the shortest route to DEL (the main destination for YVR passengers) for current ports is via PEK.

Vagabond
Jul 14, 2014, 8:17 PM
Now that Air India has joined Star Alliance there is a better chance of restarting Canada flights.

However, as for YVR, I think more likely will be code-shares, possibly through PVG, ICN and/or perhaps NRT on AC.

From YVR, AC already codeshares with Jet Airways (9W) on flights to/from India via LHR, however, the outbound layover time is pretty awful (over 9 hours). However, I'd imagine that this arrangement's days are numbered, with AI joining Star Alliance and 9W increasingly being brought into the Etihad fold.

While not technically a codeshare, I see YVR-BOM ticketed on AC & AI (via LHR) come up frequently when I look for flights on this route. The times are pretty convenient also. I'd imagine this would be one of the routes that is eventually/easily converted to a full codeshare, albeit a relatively insignificant one, given the minimal traffic on this route.

Johnny Aussie
Jul 15, 2014, 3:29 AM
From YVR, AC already codeshares with Jet Airways (9W) on flights to/from India via LHR, however, the outbound layover time is pretty awful (over 9 hours). However, I'd imagine that this arrangement's days are numbered, with AI joining Star Alliance and 9W increasingly being brought into the Etihad fold.

While not technically a codeshare, I see YVR-BOM ticketed on AC & AI (via LHR) come up frequently when I look for flights on this route. The times are pretty convenient also. I'd imagine this would be one of the routes that is eventually/easily converted to a full codeshare, albeit a relatively insignificant one, given the minimal traffic on this route.

Yup, its all about DEL from YVR. YVR-BOM traffic is as you say minimal.
I used to travel via Asia to and from YVR to MEL. Mostly now AC direct from SYD or NZ via AKL now that we are pretty Star centric. In the past I've tried most of the via Asia routes. KE, CX, JL (into SYD), CI (into SYD), CA, MU, SQ (back in the day). On some flights more than half of the passengers were connecting on to India and mainly Delhi. I particularly remember CI and CX being very popular.

Latest Stats Canada numbers have the South Asian population of the Lower Mainland at about 300,000.

Hot Rod
Jul 15, 2014, 4:57 AM
No chance of the big ugly in Seattle as SEA isn't designed to land/facilitate A380 unlike YVR which is. Emirates is locked with 777 for the SEA route.

Regarding the potential conspiracy against YVR, how then can you explain the federal govt blocking Qatar from a YVR launch or the original Emirates application to YVR long before they settled with SEA. or the india requests that were shot down. You can't tell me there's not a preference for Ottawa to favour YYZ at the expense of YVR, even for Asia not to mention South America (which would have biz traffic out of YVR) in addition to the route being closer for China. ...

Purely YYZ protectionism by the AC monopoly facilitated by the Federal govt.

casper
Jul 15, 2014, 5:20 AM
No chance of the big ugly in Seattle as SEA isn't designed to land/facilitate A380 unlike YVR which is. Emirates is locked with 777 for the SEA route.

Regarding the potential conspiracy against YVR, how then can you explain the federal govt blocking Qatar from a YVR launch or the original Emirates application to YVR long before they settled with SEA. or the india requests that were shot down. You can't tell me there's not a preference for Ottawa to favour YYZ at the expense of YVR, even for Asia not to mention South America (which would have biz traffic out of YVR) in addition to the route being closer for China. ...

Purely YYZ protectionism by the AC monopoly facilitated by the Federal govt.


I think the answer to your question be found in the following quote:


I used to travel via Asia to and from YVR to MEL. Mostly now AC direct from SYD or NZ via AKL now that we are pretty Star centric. In the past I've tried most of the via Asia routes. KE, CX, JL (into SYD), CI (into SYD), CA, MU, SQ (back in the day). On some flights more than half of the passengers were connecting on to India and mainly Delhi. I particularly remember CI and CX being very popular.

The government understands that the middle east airlines are disruptive to the existing market place. IF they came in seven days a week, we would lose one or two flight to Europe or Asia. Because of open skies the government does not know if it is going to be KLM, BA, CI, CX MU or AC. Is it more important to have a daily to Dubai (where there are very few local passengers terminating or only one operator on the London flight) or it is better to have BA and AC competing on London. The same for Taipei

DDP
Jul 16, 2014, 1:27 PM
I think the answer to your question be found in the following quote:



The government understands that the middle east airlines are disruptive to the existing market place. IF they came in seven days a week, we would lose one or two flight to Europe or Asia. Because of open skies the government does not know if it is going to be KLM, BA, CI, CX MU or AC. Is it more important to have a daily to Dubai (where there are very few local passengers terminating or only one operator on the London flight) or it is better to have BA and AC competing on London. The same for Taipei

If you look at the USA and the UK though who have more open policies towards any foreign carriers there airports handle more people, more incoming tourists, and have bigger impact on local economy. The goal should be to grow the market, if you bring in a new airline/route you aren't automatically stealing from other carriers but helping grow the market.
There are very few local passengers to iceland, but I don't think anyone really cared they came into vancouver or edmonton. Just made getting to Europe cheaper/more competitive.

trofirhen
Jul 16, 2014, 4:30 PM
If you look at the USA and the UK though who have more open policies towards any foreign carriers there airports handle more people, more incoming tourists, and have bigger impact on local economy.
The goal should be to grow the market, if you bring in a new airline/route you aren't automatically stealing from other carriers but helping grow the market.
There are very few local passengers to iceland, but I don't think anyone really cared they came into vancouver or edmonton. Just made getting to Europe cheaper/more competitive.
Try getting that idea into the protectionist Canadian mindset.

Cage
Jul 16, 2014, 8:15 PM
Try getting that idea into the protectionist Canadian mindset.

If the USA and UK knew what the ME3 strategic plan involved, they would have been just as protectionist as Canada. EK in particular relied on early open skies agreements to deploy their market strategy. The more current agreements are hard to negotiate.

Johnny Aussie
Jul 16, 2014, 9:51 PM
Whilst perusing for the new YYC-HKG CX Cargo flights I checked YVR's as well.

CX appears to have additional freighters over the next few weeks. Up to 6 next week. Additional extra sections as CX2081. Then 5 per week before back to the usual 3-4 per week.

China Southern also appears to be flying 5 per week.

Along with Korean Air's twice weekly freighters.

All up up to 13 freighters per week to Asia over the next few weeks.

Cargo seems to be on the uplift out of YVR?

Johnny Aussie
Jul 17, 2014, 5:38 AM
Icelandair just uploaded its summer 2015 scheds and it shows the YVR flights starting a whole week earlier... First flight scheduled for 6th May. Woo hoo! Go Icelandair!

trofirhen
Jul 17, 2014, 8:44 AM
If the USA and UK knew what the ME3 strategic plan involved, they would have been just as protectionist as Canada. EK in particular relied on early open skies agreements to deploy their market strategy. The more current agreements are hard to negotiate.
I must admit that despite overseas criticism of Canadian protectionism, there have been howls of pain from other countries as to how the M3 (EK in particular) have eaten into their market share. This seems very pronounced in Australia, as an example, where QANTAS seems to have lost a lot of blood.
This does require rethinking of the situation on my part; I just wish YVR had one or two better key destinations in that part of the world. DEL would be a good start.

DDP
Jul 17, 2014, 1:39 PM
If the USA and UK knew what the ME3 strategic plan involved, they would have been just as protectionist as Canada. EK in particular relied on early open skies agreements to deploy their market strategy. The more current agreements are hard to negotiate.

There policies are open in general, they feel more air traffic means more economic activity. Cities like Boston, Seattle, Houston, Dallas all have one or more of middle eastern carriers and there airports and regions seem content with them.

Qantas has its problems one because mismanagement, and because of government regulations. Qantas has to be owned/run domestically (like air canada) its other competitors that are domestic can be owned internationally, it would be like if West jet was owned by American Airlines. They have a two tier domestic system.

I just feel we have a skewed way of looking of aviation, heavily taxed, very expensive, high regulations - that is going to hurt in long run. Even having 3x to dubai would open it up a little, and shouldn't do anything to other airlines. Tis country opened up iceland and brings new level of competition to Europe, as did KLM where there is little direct traffic from Canada. Dubai also has about 200,000 Brits, and Brits love YVR makes it easier for them to come visit etc when they have week off.

Denscity
Jul 17, 2014, 6:54 PM
Whilst perusing for the new YYC-HKG CX Cargo flights I checked YVR's as well.

CX appears to have additional freighters over the next few weeks. Up to 6 next week. Additional extra sections as CX2081. Then 5 per week before back to the usual 3-4 per week.

China Southern also appears to be flying 5 per week.

Along with Korean Air's twice weekly freighters.

All up up to 13 freighters per week to Asia over the next few weeks.

Cargo seems to be on the uplift out of YVR?

Icelandair just uploaded its summer 2015 scheds and it shows the YVR flights starting a whole week earlier... First flight scheduled for 6th May. Woo hoo! Go Icelandair!

Wow and awesome!!

Johnny Aussie
Jul 17, 2014, 9:41 PM
Good news for the YVR-LHR route. Increased by over 6,600 pax in May to 48,574. That's huge. Up almost 16%. And a quick calc indicates the additional 109 seats per day each way (due to the increase in seats on the high density AC 77W) have been completely absorbed by the market. BA and VS were exactly the same frequencies and a/c type compared to last May.

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport_data/201405/Table_12_1_Intl_Air_Pax_Traffic_Route_Analysis.csv

zahav
Jul 18, 2014, 6:24 AM
Carls Jr. is going to be one of thenew restaurants opening in the A-B Pier expansion