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casper
Sep 25, 2014, 4:09 AM
AC has operated YVR-HNL for decades, but new route is YYZ-HNL nonstop on AC rouge. The YYZ-HNL route won't work because of costs. HNL is much higher cost than comparable Caribbean or Mexican destinations. The market AC rouge is hoping to tap is the people who always wanted to try Hawaii just cause its someplace new. This crowd might get discouraged once the see cost differences at the destination, no amount of discounting the flight portion can compensate for destination costs.

In the end the discontinuance of YYZ-HNL would be a pick up for YVR as connection traffic is 2x the number of pax.

Sorry, I though you were questioning the YVR-HNL route. I agree the Toronto flight is silly.

Johnny Aussie
Sep 26, 2014, 5:10 AM
That's the number of weekly frequencies scheduled between YVR and Asia next summer. That's as it stands now based on current schedules.

That is getting close to 20 per day folks.

Denscity
Sep 26, 2014, 5:42 AM
That's the number of weekly frequencies scheduled between YVR and Asia next summer. That's as it stands now based on current schedules.

That is getting close to 20 per day folks.

Wow.

trofirhen
Sep 26, 2014, 2:26 PM
That's the number of weekly frequencies scheduled between YVR and Asia next summer. That's as it stands now based on current schedules.

That is getting close to 20 per day folks.
Good stuff!!! I think Johnny mentioned that KAL is considering an extension onward to Lima.
Might any other airlines foillow suit; onwards to South America, or is this the only such mention so far?
It would be a really big catch to get an ongoing route to São Paulo.

Johnny Aussie
Sep 26, 2014, 9:23 PM
Wow.

Wow is right. And Europe sitting at 66 which just happens to be exactly half the frequencies to Asia. Still not bad being almost 10 flights per day to Europe.

Will have to wait and see what transpires over the next few months.

Johnny Aussie
Sep 26, 2014, 9:26 PM
Good stuff!!! I think Johnny mentioned that KAL is considering an extension onward to Lima.

I was just speculating based on KE wanting to increase flights to YVR and they are also looking at LIM.
So it was just one of those things that make you go :hmmm:

Valley_Refugee
Sep 26, 2014, 10:00 PM
When was the last time YVR and LIM were linked? Canadian Pacific in the 70's?

Johnny Aussie
Sep 26, 2014, 10:41 PM
When was the last time YVR and LIM were linked? Canadian Pacific in the 70's?

That went into the 80s. Last routing was LIM-SCL-EZE.

Johnny Aussie
Sep 26, 2014, 11:48 PM
2 daily E75 on Compass.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6189143/

Schedule as follows (Effective 6 January):

YVR-LAX
DL5759 0630 0930 E75
DL5770 1730 2030 E75

LAX-YVR
DL5755 0630 0920 E75
DL5758 1925 2215 E75

The route commences on 20 December with one daily flight through 5 January as previously announced. The second daily commences on 6 January.

As expected the second flight is perfectly timed for SYD connections on both Delta and Virgin Australia and BNE on Virgin Australia. Expect to see a VA codeshare slapped on that very fast.

This also means DL becomes a really significant transborder player again at YVR. 9 daily in winter and next summer 11-13 flights a day to SEA, LAX, SLC, MSP, ATL, DTW and JFK. ATL and DTW scheds were just loaded for next summer, they were showing nil flights last week. Same sched to ATL and DTW as last summer. JFK loaded as daily compared to 6 weekly last summer.

And LAX goes to about 16 daily assuming there are no casualties. Can YVR-LAX sustain all this?? That's craziness! There has to be adjustments made....

trofirhen
Sep 27, 2014, 9:29 AM
All of this is testimonial to the increasing importance of Vancouver itself, and subsequently of YVR.
I wonder if that plan for a third runway wil be activated by this? Or is that still a long way off?

cyeg66
Sep 27, 2014, 5:51 PM
All of this is testimonial to the increasing importance of Vancouver itself, and subsequently of YVR.
I wonder if that plan for a third runway wil be activated by this? Or is that still a long way off?

They've go a relatively long way to go before their two current runways are at max capacity. The NIMBYs just don't know it yet. Besides, constructing another parallel on the island will necessitate a monumental cash outlay.

Infrequent Poster
Sep 27, 2014, 6:56 PM
Am i missing something? Doesnt YVR already have three runways?

trofirhen
Sep 27, 2014, 7:36 PM
Am i missing something? Doesnt YVR already have three runways?
One is an angular crosswind runway, not used for regular takeoffs and landings.
Also, when they build a new north-south taxiway just east of the main terminal(s) I understand the crosswind runway will be disused.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Gordon
Sep 27, 2014, 8:02 PM
There is still tons of spare runway capacity i think it's still in excess 05 95% of the movements are landings n the nor Runway

The east west taxiway will be built long before the 3rd runway will.

Johnny Aussie
Sep 28, 2014, 3:15 AM
As earlier reported Sunwing will have up to 19 weekly charters this winter to 12 sun destinations. Up 3 weekly from last winter.

In addition, they will have their regular YYZ charter flights over the 2 week Xmas period again. 5 weekly from 19 December - 4 January.

Next summer there will be 5 weekly sun charters (up from 4 last summer). With the expected YYZ flights as well, Sunwing would have 10 weekly flights next summer. New destination next summer is Santa Maria, Cuba. This route operated in summer 2013 but was discontinued for this summer so it appears to be back in Summer 2015.

excel
Sep 28, 2014, 6:50 AM
One is an angular crosswind runway, not used for regular takeoffs and landings.
Also, when they build a new north-south taxiway just east of the main terminal(s) I understand the crosswind runway will be disused.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

This will have zero effect on runway 13/31. The proposed north-south taxiway is far from the runway itself.

trofirhen
Sep 28, 2014, 4:17 PM
This will have zero effect on runway 13/31. The proposed north-south taxiway is far from the runway itself.
Thanks, I am aware of that. It's just that I read somewhere that when the North-South taxiway is complete, runway 13/31 will be disused completely.
Second-hand information from something I read somewhere. (I couldn't even understand the functional link between the two strips of concrete in the first place, frankly)

Johnny Aussie
Sep 29, 2014, 11:14 PM
More good news.

Edelweiss increasing YVR-ZRH to 3 weekly from 2 weekly last summer. Plus the additional flight will be on the larger 333.

Flights will be on Mondays (332), Wednesdays (333) and Fridays (333). Flights operate June to September again.

So Europe goes up to 67 weekly next summer.... So far!

https://www.edelweissair.ch/en/

UNITED UPDATE

Totally unrelated but UA is throwing the 739 on DEN for some of the winter too.

teriyaki
Sep 30, 2014, 1:11 AM
More good news.

Edelweiss increasing YVR-ZRH to 3 weekly from 2 weekly last summer. Plus the additional flight will be on the larger 333.

Flights will be on Mondays (332), Wednesdays (333) and Fridays (333). Flights operate June to September again.

So Europe goes up to 67 weekly next summer.... So far!

https://www.edelweissair.ch/en/

UNITED UPDATE

Totally unrelated but UA is throwing the 739 on DEN for some of the winter too.

Throw in a 787 and I might be interested in taking this airline again.:P

Johnny Aussie
Sep 30, 2014, 5:23 AM
At today's launch of A380 non-stop flights from SYD to DFW, Qantas CEO, Alan Joyce, had this to say about Vancouver.

Joyce also hinted that the airline’s ‘trial’ of Sydney-Vancouver flights slated for January 2015 could continue throughout the year.

“Sales have been extremely good, and we are very confident this will be very successful” he told Australian Business Traveller.

The Vancouver service is part of a shift in Qantas’ approach to schedules which places greater emphasis on bringing on flights during high seasons, when demand is greatest and fares can be priced accordingly.

So perhaps YVR will see the flying Roo more often.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-takes-aim-at-north-america?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper

craneSpotter
Sep 30, 2014, 8:07 PM
Joyce also hinted that the airline’s ‘trial’ of Sydney-Vancouver flights slated for January 2015 could continue throughout the year.

“Sales have been extremely good, and we are very confident this will be very successful” he told Australian Business Traveller.

That's good to hear. I am a bit surprised that sales are that good so early... A general question: I wonder if this increased demand for travel to Canada from Australia due to Qantas marketing, or, are natives just opting to fly Qantas direct to YVR in place of other airlines/routes? My other question is: Is there year-round demand? I would guess yes by the stats, as Q3 is busiest, but the market is mostly leisure.


According to the CTC, Australia is a core market for international travel to Canada. Some background:

Canada welcomed 219,000 overnight travellers from Australia in 2012, an increase of 1.6% over 2011. The majority came during Q2 (28.3%) and Q3 (38.1%).

Pleasure travel accounted for nearly 62% of all overnight trips from Australia, the highest proportion of pleasure travel among CTC’s key overseas markets.

In 2012, British Columbia (138,000 visits, +0.9%) remained the most popular province among Australian travellers, while Ontario (61,500 visits, -8.3%) and Alberta (46,600 visits, -22.1%) declined.

source: http://en-corporate.canada.travel/research/statistics-figures/year-review-facts-figures

SFUVancouver
Sep 30, 2014, 9:37 PM
I wonder if I can ask for some assistance: I recall reading a news article relatively recently announcing that a new health care training & research facility would be built on Sea Island and adjacent to the BCIT Aerospace Campus. For the life of me, I cannot find the article again and I cannot recall enough details (type of health care, the agency behind it, the year it will open, value, etc.) to be able to successfully search for it. Does anyone recall this? Could anyone link to the news article? Thanks in advance!

Johnny Aussie
Sep 30, 2014, 9:54 PM
That's good to hear. I am a bit surprised that sales are that good so early... A general question: I wonder if this increased demand for travel to Canada from Australia due to Qantas marketing, or, are natives just opting to fly Qantas direct to YVR in place of other airlines/routes? My other question is: Is there year-round demand?

AC is doing very well on the route. BITRE (The Australian Bureau of Infrastructure, Transport and Regional Economics) publishes very detailed statistics on routes, carriers etc. Following AC they have one of the highest LFs in and out of Australia quite consistently. There are seasonal patterns though. And cargo is doing well. Eg. More cargo carried between SYD and YVR than ICN (on pax aircraft) despite there being two daily flights to ICN (one 333 and one 77L)

Here is an example of the detailed stats published monthly.

https://www.bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoing/files/International_airline_activity_1406.pdf

And yeah, surprised to hear that sales so strong already. Maybe they sold 15 seats when expecting to sell only 12 in the first week of sales. LOL.

In any event it sure made for a lot of discussion down under as it caught us off guard! So awareness was huge.

Johnny Aussie
Oct 1, 2014, 1:41 AM
Have been waiting to see an "official" announcement / press release from PAL.

Still nothing... however, this was just published yesterday.

http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/pal-launches-more-us-flights/

Interview with new CEO and Chairman.

Excerpts/Highlights:

PAL will have full traffic rights between Vancouver and New York.

The New York service will have the added benefit of boosting PALs Canadian operation. From March 15 the current daily service between Manila and Vancouver will spike to 11 flights weekly with three departure times from Manila mid-afternoon, early evening and late evening providing wider schedule choices to passengers.

Manila-Toronto will add a fourth weekly frequency, increasing capacity on this long-haul route in time for the peak-summer travel period out of Manila.

The second last paragraph was what I was waiting to hear about. I was expecting them to drop the standalone YVR-MNL flights. Sounds like these flights will stay. PAL goes to 19 flights per week out of YVR (up from 10) of which 15 can board pax at YVR (up from 7).

Full Schedule:

PR126 MNL2350 – 2050YVR2250 – 0700+1JFK 343 x135
PR127 JFK1100 – 1350YVR1520 – 2035+1MNL 343 x246

PR118 MNL1500 – 1200YVR1330 – 2110YYZ 77W x246
PR119 YYZ2240 – 0105+1YVR0220+1 – 0735+2MNL 77W x246

PR116 MNL1900 – 1600YVR 77W 246
PR117 YVR2315 – 0105+2MNL 77W 246

craneSpotter
Oct 1, 2014, 8:25 PM
And yeah, surprised to hear that sales so strong already. Maybe they sold 15 seats when expecting to sell only 12 in the first week of sales. LOL.

In any event it sure made for a lot of discussion down under as it caught us off guard! So awareness was huge.

LOL, yeah re: seats - you never know, but puts things in perspective :)

Thanks for the link!

nname
Oct 1, 2014, 8:43 PM
And yeah, surprised to hear that sales so strong already. Maybe they sold 15 seats when expecting to sell only 12 in the first week of sales. LOL.

In any event it sure made for a lot of discussion down under as it caught us off guard! So awareness was huge.

QF75 on Jan 3, 2015

http://oi60.tinypic.com/24677s5.jpg

Still lots of seats up for grab :D

Seems like they sold only 20 seats on that flight (14 in Economy, 3 Premium Economy, 3 Business)

craneSpotter
Oct 1, 2014, 8:48 PM
Have August 2014 stats been put up here yet? Here they are anyway (Enplaned and Deplaned):

Total Passengers - 2,086,481 (+8.0%)

Domestic - 1,079,507 (+8.2%)
International (incl TB) - 1,006,974 (+7.7)
(Transborder - 510,057 +9.1%)

YTD: 13,238,277 (+8.1%)

Johnny Aussie
Oct 1, 2014, 10:01 PM
^ Needs a bit more fanfare me thinks! ;-)

Incredible results.

First month overall smashing through 2 million.
First month domestic smashing through 1 million.
First month international (incl TB) smashing through 1 million.
First month transborder smashing through half a million.
Best month ever in each category except miscellaneous int'l of course.

Increase in pax compared to Aug 2013 - this really shows the huge growth:

Overall up 153,800
Domestic up 81,600
Transborder up 42,800
Asia Pacific up 20,500
Europe up 8,200
Misc int'l up 700

YTD just shy of 1,000,000 more pax than 2013 as well... thought I would throw that in.

And cargo up 13.3%

Even the little South Terminal squeeked out a tiny gain!

trofirhen
Oct 1, 2014, 10:59 PM
I wonder when we'll hit the 20 million pax / year mark? If not this year, then surely next, at this rate. Or am I wrong on that?

LeftCoaster
Oct 1, 2014, 11:25 PM
For a while it looked like we could squeak in this year but it looks like we will be in the mid 19s if the current pace stays. Provided next year is even just decent 20 million will be easily attainable.

Johnny Aussie
Oct 1, 2014, 11:38 PM
For a while it looked like we could squeak in this year but it looks like we will be in the mid 19s if the current pace stays. Provided next year is even just decent 20 million will be easily attainable.

Looking forward to winter and next summer already the amount of additional capacity being added is mind-blowing. Transborder and Asia Pacific primarily.
The int'l capacity to Europe lost by Virgin Atlantic has already been recovered with the two additional Transat flights and the additional Edelweiss weekly flight.

Denscity
Oct 1, 2014, 11:41 PM
Have August 2014 stats been put up here yet? Here they are anyway (Enplaned and Deplaned):

Total Passengers - 2,086,481 (+8.0%)

Domestic - 1,079,507 (+8.2%)
International (incl TB) - 1,006,974 (+7.7)
(Transborder - 510,057 +9.1%)

YTD: 13,238,277 (+8.1%)

^ Needs a bit more fanfare me thinks! ;-)

Incredible results.

First month overall smashing through 2 million.
First month domestic smashing through 1 million.
First month transborder smashing through half a million.
Best month ever in each category except miscellaneous int'l of course.

Increase in pax compared to Aug 2013 - this really shows the huge growth:

Overall up 153,800
Domestic up 81,600
Transborder up 42,800
Asia Pacific up 20,500
Europe up 8,200
Misc int'l up 700

And cargo up 13.3%

Even the little South Terminal squeeked out a tiny gain!

Looking forward to winter and next summer already the amount of additional capacity being added is mind-blowing. Transborder and Asia Pacific primarily.
The int'l capacity to Europe lost by Virgin Atlantic has already been recovered with the two additional Transat flights and the additional Edelweiss weekly flight.

Hey Johnny could you repost August's stats and your recap into the Canadian Airport thread? I tried with no luck. This growth is just massive and im not sure its second to any Canadian city currently.

Johnny Aussie
Oct 2, 2014, 1:18 AM
Hey Johnny could you repost August's stats and your recap into the Canadian Airport thread? I tried with no luck. This growth is just massive and im not sure its second to any Canadian city currently.

Done.
So who is #1, #2, #3 etc.....
YEG now separates what they call "Terminal" and "FBO." The FBO numbers are what really are pushing them up. I am not sure where YVR records these because YVR separates "Main" Terminals from the "South" Terminal. I cannot imagine the FBO's being recorded in the South Terminal stats as it seems too low. However, I don't see why they would record that in the main domestic figures either as that would be inconsistent. In any event, the FBO portion at YVR is not nearly as significant as YEG or YYC but not sure how everyone else records it. YEG is definitely recording these as separate. So it depends how you look at it. YEG int'l growth in % is incredible but when you look at the actual pax numbers it's only an additonal 8,000 pax per month (July and August). Add a few 757s a week to KEF and some additional sun flights and voila 45% growth!

Denscity
Oct 2, 2014, 1:20 AM
^^^ Cheers Johnny thanks!!

craneSpotter
Oct 2, 2014, 2:13 AM
^ Needs a bit more fanfare me thinks! ;-)

Incredible results.

First month overall smashing through 2 million.
First month domestic smashing through 1 million.
First month international (incl TB) smashing through 1 million.
First month transborder smashing through half a million.
Best month ever in each category except miscellaneous int'l of course.

Increase in pax compared to Aug 2013 - this really shows the huge growth:

Overall up 153,800
Domestic up 81,600
Transborder up 42,800
Asia Pacific up 20,500
Europe up 8,200
Misc int'l up 700

YTD just shy of 1,000,000 more pax than 2013 as well... thought I would throw that in.

And cargo up 13.3%

Even the little South Terminal squeeked out a tiny gain!

Yes, more fanfare needed for sure, thanks! I knew it was the first month over 2M PAX, but not the other points :tup:

And continuing this growth over the winter and into next summer would be great!

Genauso
Oct 2, 2014, 6:44 PM
YTD just shy of 1,000,000 more pax than 2013 as well... thought I would throw that in.

And cargo up 13.3%

Wow, passengers have been great, but I think cargo being up 13.3% is even better. That's 83% of SeaTac's August volume, up from 78% of SeaTac's volume in July. It'll be interesting to see the situation evolve as Prince Rupert grows as a sea, air, and rail cargo nexus.

trofirhen
Oct 3, 2014, 3:23 AM
Given that it was stated that travelling from Piers A & B at YVR, over to the International terminal would be a long haul, would it be possible to have a tunnel connector, as they do at numerous airports, the example here being Detroit Metropolitan? Or will our existing moving sidewalks suffice?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/DTW_aerial.jpg/220px-DTW_aerial.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/DTW_aerial.jpg/220px-DTW_aerial.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/LightTunnelDetroit.jpg/220px-LightTunnelDetroit.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/LightTunnelDetroit.jpg/220px-LightTunnelDetroit.jpg

Maybe YVR doesn't warrant anything like this. Then again, maybe it does. I'll let the experts determine the answer, if there is one.

teriyaki
Oct 3, 2014, 3:37 AM
IMO, our walkway system is a lot more enjoyable. Granted, it might not be the absolute fastest way to get from one side to the other. I hate it when I have to get into a dark empty tunnel to transfer terminals like many terminals in the US.

I think a tram, or shuttle is the best for inter-terminal connectivity.

moosejaw
Oct 3, 2014, 2:44 PM
IMO tunnels will hurt retail sales that would be made if pax were connecting through the terminals as opposed to U/G

Id imagine you would get some sort of pushback from tenants if this option were to considered. A tram network is expensive and its cost is usually absorbed by the airlines directly (Seattle, Miami, Detroit) Not sure about DFW. I cant see Westjet or AC doing that soon.

Gordon
Oct 3, 2014, 2:46 PM
I think part of the Pier A/B Connector project is an extension of the over head walkway system.

casper
Oct 4, 2014, 6:23 AM
I think part of the Pier A/B Connector project is an extension of the over head walkway system.

People movers are a nice option. The one in Toronto is not bad. The rope pulled technology is also not that expensive

trofirhen
Oct 4, 2014, 9:57 AM
People movers are a nice option. The one in Toronto is not bad. The rope pulled technology is also not that expensive
Vancouver Airport Terminal isn't large or sprawling enough to warrant a people mover, is it? Or is it?

Johnny Aussie
Oct 5, 2014, 1:14 AM
Because of all the changes here is a look at all the changes for the upcoming winter scheds:

Mostly gains across the board offset by some reductions... here's hoping I haven't missed anything.

INTERNATIONAL

AIR CANADA
ICN UPGAUGE TO 788 FROM 763 EFFECTIVE 01 MAR
HKG UPGAUGE TO HD 77W FOR ENTIRE WINTER PERIOD
NRT UPGAUGE TO 788 FROM 763 EFFECTIVE 15 DEC
PVG UPGAUGE TO 788 FROM 763 EFFECTIVE 26 OCT
PEK UPGAUGE TO 788 FROM 763 EFFECTIVE 01 FEB
LHR UPGAUGE TO HD 77W FOR ENTIRE WINTER PERIOD
SYD UPGAUGE TO 77W FROM 77L
SIMILAR SEASONAL ADJUSTMENTS AS IN PRIOR YEAR

AIR CHINA
PEK FREQUENCY REDUCED TO 7 WEEKLY FROM 11 WEEKLY, BUT UPGAUGED TO 77W FROM 332

AIR TRANSAT
1 ADDITIONAL FLIGHT PER WEEK REPLACING SMALLER ENERJET WEEKLY FLIGHT

ALL NIPPON AIRWAYS
HND **NEW** DAILY 763

CHINA AIRLINES
TPE DOWNGUAGED TO 343 FOR MOST OF WINTER, LAST WINTER 744 WAS USED FOR PEAK PERIODS

CHINA EASTERN
PVG REDUCED TO 7 WEEKLY FROM 12 WEEKLY FOR PEAK LAST WINTER. HOWEVER, RESTORES BACK TO 2 DAILY 29 MARCH.

CHINA SOUTHERN
CAN DOWNGAUGE FROM 77L TO 788

EVA AIR
TPE INCREASES TO 4 WEEKLY FROM 3 WEEKLY 744

JAL
NRT DOWNGUAGE FROM 763 TO 788

LUFTHANSA
FRA BASICALLY 744 FOR ENTIRE WINTER WITH SHORT PERIODS OF 346.
SAME SEASONAL ADJUSTMENTS AS IN PRIOR YEAR

PHILIPPINE AIR LINES
MNL INCREASES FROM 7 WEEKLY TO 11 WEEKLY – MIX OF 77W AND 343

QANTAS
SYD **NEW** 6 744 FLIGHTS IN JANUARY 2015

SUNWING
3 ADDITIONAL FLIGHTS PER WEEK. NEW ROUTES TO PUJ, FPO AND ZLO

TRANSBORDER

AIR CANADA
HNL - rouged - 1 daily 763 (up from 6 weekly 763 mainline)
OGG - rouged - 1 daily 763 (up from 6 weekly 763 mainline)
LAS - rouged - 3 weekly 763 and 10 weekly 319 (up from 1 daily mainline 320)
LAX - rouged - 1 daily 763 and 2 daily 319 (up from 4 daily E90s)
PSP **NEW** - 3 weekly rouge 319
PHX **NEW** - daily rouge 319
SFO - rouged - 3 daily 319 (up from 3 daily mainline E90s)

ALASKA
LAX - increase in capacity due to 739s on most flights

AMERICAN
LAX **NEW** - 2 daily CR9s

DELTA
LAX **NEW** 2 daily effective 6 January 2015. 1 daily from 18 December. E75s
MSP - up 2 weekly to 14 weekly E75s
SLC - down 4 weekly to 7 weekly until mid Feb 2015 then returns to 11 weekly
SEA **NEW** - 4 daily CR7

PHILIPPINE AIR LINES
JFK **NEW** 4 weekly 343 effective March 2015

UNITED
Various changes every few weeks. Overall very little change from last year. More 320/739 flying compared to more 319 flying last year.
IAH - down 1 weekly to 7 weekly
SFO - increases to 5 daily for 3 weeks over the peak Xmas period (more Express flying during this period)

WESTJET
PSP - increases by one weekly over the peak winter period. Westjet seems to have put the brakes on transborder capacity this winter.

Hourglass
Oct 5, 2014, 3:52 AM
^^^

Thx Johnny. Looks like YVR's growth is set to continue this winter. Still sceptical the JFK tag by PR will be successful, esp with CX entrenched on the route (and I know which airline I'd choose to fly...).

Johnny Aussie
Oct 5, 2014, 5:27 AM
^^^

Thx Johnny. Looks like YVR's growth is set to continue this winter. Still sceptical the JFK tag by PR will be successful, esp with CX entrenched on the route (and I know which airline I'd choose to fly...).

Same. Especially if they use an old A340 clunker.

A lot of the changes (like AC's 788 upgrades) will of course carry into next summer too along with additional Transat, Edelweiss and the new KIX route. But au revoir Virgin.

Johnny Aussie
Oct 5, 2014, 8:54 AM
Just confirmed with YVR...... I figured why not ask.

YVR does not count FBO passengers in the monthly passenger traffic figures they report. Obviously their passenger totals would be higher if they did include them.

Not sure how other Canadian airports report FBO passengers.

trofirhen
Oct 5, 2014, 2:51 PM
I noticed that in 2015, Qantas is starting service to not only Hong Kong, but also to LAX and JFK .... and this is just out of Brisbane !! (the northernward latitude is part of the equation, I admit.)

From Melbourne, United and Qantas do LAX only.

From Sydney, theres LAX, SFO, and DFW, but JF'K is being discontinued.

:rolleyes:Gee, I'd give anything to see Qantas back here, year round, as it was once was, long ago .....

casper
Oct 6, 2014, 12:02 AM
I noticed that in 2015, Qantas is starting service to not only Hong Kong, but also to LAX and JFK .... and this is just out of Brisbane !! (the northernward latitude is part of the equation, I admit.)

From Melbourne, United and Qantas do LAX only.

From Sydney, theres LAX, SFO, and DFW, but JF'K is being discontinued.

:rolleyes:Gee, I'd give anything to see Qantas back here, year round, as it was once was, long ago .....

When I last United to Australia I cam back on United from Melbourne but it was a tag on from Sidney.

casper
Oct 6, 2014, 2:37 PM
Vancouver Airport Terminal isn't large or sprawling enough to warrant a people mover, is it? Or is it?

It is sprawled enough if you consider the south terminal (the old terminal building) is still in use and served by shuttle bus. Though I don't think there is a large volume of transfers between the two areas.

Hot Rod
Oct 6, 2014, 7:47 PM
Because of all the changes here is a look at all the changes for the upcoming winter scheds:

Mostly gains across the board offset by some reductions... here's hoping I haven't missed anything.

INTERNATIONAL

..... .......

JAL
NRT DOWNGUAGE FROM 763 TO 788



just semantics. ... :)

that's an UPGAUGE.

craneSpotter
Oct 6, 2014, 8:06 PM
Vancouver Airport Terminal isn't large or sprawling enough to warrant a people mover, is it? Or is it?

Here is a link to YVR 'walking' times between gates. http://www.yvr.ca/Libraries/Maps/Terminal_Map.sflb.ashx

It must be getting close. I'm not sure they factor the moving walkways into the walking times...

Plus, in my experience, there frequently seem to be people who do not know how to use the moving walkways! They jump aboard and just stand there - to be wisked away... :haha: Blocking those in a hurry!

Here is what the IATA has to say about walking distances:

Another widely used planning guideline is provided by IATA (International Air Transport Association 2004), which suggests a maximum passenger walking distance of between 820 and 985 feet (250 and 300 meters) unaided and up to 2,133 feet (650 meters) with moving walkways.

source - http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/acrp/acrp_rpt_067.pdf

Johnny Aussie
Oct 6, 2014, 10:11 PM
just semantics. ... :)

that's an UPGAUGE.

Yes ha ha.

Technically an upgrade (service quality ) but a downgauge (capacity).

My posts are usually about capacity changes. Helps forecast future stats.

Johnny Aussie
Oct 6, 2014, 10:28 PM
Here is a link to YVR 'walking' times between gates. http://www.yvr.ca/Libraries/Maps/Terminal_Map.sflb.ashx

It must be getting close. I'm not sure they factor the moving walkways into the walking times...

Plus, in my experience, there frequently seem to be people who do not know how to use the moving walkways! They jump aboard and just stand there - to be wisked away... :haha: Blocking those in a hurry!

Here is what the IATA has to say about walking distances:

source - http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/acrp/acrp_rpt_067.pdf

Around the world it blows my mind some of the distances I have to walk.
YVR pales in comparison. Looking at the YVR map shows really the longest time from security would be less than 10 mins and connecting under 20 mins. Obviously as YVR grows they can improve this even more but in reality it's not bad at all.

There is a general correlation between the larger the airport and the distances having to walk. Even airports with a lot of moving sidewalks like SIN (and trains), BKK and PEK (and trains) actual walking times can be really long.

So some people will always say "I prefer to connect at airport XXX" because distances are shorter. Of course they are at smaller airports :-)

Most useless moving sidewalk I've experienced is SYD Virgin Terminal they have one that goes maybe 15 metres. Ha.

YYCguys
Oct 7, 2014, 2:49 AM
Because of all the changes here is a look at all the changes for the upcoming winter scheds:
WESTJET
PSP - increases by one weekly over the peak winter period. Westjet seems to have put the brakes on transborder capacity this winter.

But:

"...[Westjet] Encore hopes to double its fleet of 14 Bombardier Q400 turboprops by 2016 and is already adding to its nearly 100 flights per day to 18 destinations, mainly in Western Canada.
A route was recently added between Thunder Bay and Toronto. Eastern service will be introduced in the coming months to Quebec City, Montreal, Ottawa, Fredericton and American destinations from both ends of Canada are set to be added by 2016....."


Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/westjet-encore-prepping-for-u-s-east-coast-expansion-1.2040078#ixzz3FQKKDSLPhttp://www.ctvnews.ca/business/westjet-encore-prepping-for-u-s-east-coast-expansion-1.2040078

Johnny Aussie
Oct 7, 2014, 5:38 AM
But:

"...[Westjet] Encore hopes to double its fleet of 14 Bombardier Q400 turboprops by 2016 and is already adding to its nearly 100 flights per day to 18 destinations, mainly in Western Canada.
A route was recently added between Thunder Bay and Toronto. Eastern service will be introduced in the coming months to Quebec City, Montreal, Ottawa, Fredericton and American destinations from both ends of Canada are set to be added by 2016....."


Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/westjet-encore-prepping-for-u-s-east-coast-expansion-1.2040078#ixzz3FQKKDSLPhttp://www.ctvnews.ca/business/westjet-encore-prepping-for-u-s-east-coast-expansion-1.2040078

Yep after years of steady transborder capacity growth. This winter they are taking a hiatus... soon to ramp up again at an airport near you!

craneSpotter
Oct 7, 2014, 6:12 PM
Most useless moving sidewalk I've experienced is SYD Virgin Terminal they have one that goes maybe 15 metres. Ha.

15 m?? LOL what is the point...

whatnext
Oct 7, 2014, 6:37 PM
Disappointed to see AC's nasty HD 777 stay on LHR year round. A great reason to fly through YYC!

I'm surprised about the plane swap on the SYD flight, I thought the 77L was needed to carry a decent amount of cargo, and that the 77W would have to go out weight restricted with empty seats? Where are they using the 77L?

cornholio
Oct 7, 2014, 6:50 PM
Quote:
Craig Richmond was taking flying lessons before he was old enough to drive and became an Air Force pilot by age 20. He spent 11 years in operations at YVR before taking over the running of airports in Liverpool, Cyprus and the Bahamas, returning to YVR last summer. Every airport is a gateway from here to there, and Richmond has been pushing the idea that YVR needs to capitalize on its geographic location in a different way. There’s money to be made in being a so-called “holding pen” for transit passengers. A Chinese airline has already committed to keeping two jumbo jets in Vancouver as a base—which means hundreds of jobs for maintenance, support and flight crew, if his idea comes to pass.

My Big Idea

"YVR should be a transit hub between China and South America."

Sao Paulo to Vancouver to Shanghai—it’s almost a perfectly straight line. We are in a very fortunate geographic place. There’s mining in Santiago. Who needs to get there? Everyone, especially the Chinese. Break it down this way: 200 people arrive from China, 75 get off here, 125 continue down to Chile and 40 people from Vancouver get on board. Transit without visas has been around for a long time but it used to be a horrible experience. Also, there were concerns that people would claim refugee status when they landed—but do you know how many we’ve had? Zero. They’re not here to jump ship; they’re here to get to a place where it’s convenient to have a stop in Canada. Middle Eastern hubs have taken 15 per cent of the traffic, and you learn that the transportation business is like water: people go wherever it’s easy to go, and we’ve been losing out. [QUOTE/]........................................
* * * * * * * * * * * *
**********************************************************************************************************************
Lima and Santiago are are closer to China by YVR than by YYZ, about the only two cities that are. São Paolo is about 200 miles longer via YVR than YYZ,
and whether the fuel costs would rule out a Vancouver run or not is anyone's guess.

Neverthess, if nothing else, a route into Lima is something to be sought after,
as that city, and its new, modern airport, is apparently the "N.W. Gateway" into South America.

Interestingly São Paolo is closer to HK via DBX than over the Pacific. Most other Chinese cites, east of the critical line of longitude, have a
shorter haul over the Pacific, and if YVR continues to atttract flights from second-tier (still huge) cities in China, the the yields for airlinks Craig Richmond talks of just might be there.

Lots of travel between South America and US for two reasons, a) its easier to get a visa to the US then Canada, B) more importantly, lots of shopping vacations to US locations with low taxes because most South American countries have very high import and VAT taxes. So the question is why have Vancouver as a hub? It just does not make any sense. Go with a airport in western America. Also as far as Canada is considered Toronto is a better hub for South America in general and is a hub for Sao Paulo for Air Canada. And better yet for asia, it makes sense to go through Dubai. I am not a expert but these are my questions / concerns.

p.s. the opposite side of the world for Sao Paulo is just south west of the southern end of Japan, thats why its a toss up between heading west or east from China / Japan to get to South America.

*The opposite side of the world for Vancouver is in the southern Indian ocean about a thousand km's from the shores of Port-aux-Francais.

Johnny Aussie
Oct 7, 2014, 8:53 PM
Disappointed to see AC's nasty HD 777 stay on LHR year round. A great reason to fly through YYC!

I'm surprised about the plane swap on the SYD flight, I thought the 77L was needed to carry a decent amount of cargo, and that the 77W would have to go out weight restricted with empty seats? Where are they using the 77L?

They have adjusted the MTOW of the 77W so not as big an issue. Yeah, I remember when the YVR-SYD route commenced and they used the 77W for the first few months until the 77L was available. It was heavily restricted then. Not as big an issue now but still not 100% unrestricted.

AC is flipping a/c all over the place! 77L is now on YYC-FRA for the winter replacing the 333.

Johnny Aussie
Oct 7, 2014, 8:57 PM
Lots of travel between South America and US for two reasons, a) its easier to get a visa to the US then Canada, B) more importantly, lots of shopping vacations to US locations with low taxes because most South American countries have very high import and VAT taxes. So the question is why have Vancouver as a hub? It just does not make any sense. Go with a airport in western America. Also as far as Canada is considered Toronto is a better hub for South America in general and is a hub for Sao Paulo for Air Canada. And better yet for asia, it makes sense to go through Dubai. I am not a expert but these are my questions / concerns.

p.s. the opposite side of the world for Sao Paulo is just south west of the southern end of Japan, thats why its a toss up between heading west or east from China / Japan to get to South America.

*The opposite side of the world for Vancouver is in the southern Indian ocean about a thousand km's from the shores of Port-aux-Francais.

This seems to have been discussed a lot. Simple. Vancouver is small compared to other potential South America - Asia hubs. Limited O&D between YVR and South America. Yes, there is the potential for maybe very limited services but I wouldn't expect to ever see anything more than a few flights per week to maybe LIM, SCL, EZE, GRU (for example). I think people just need to accept YVR is not a huge unlimited market. So many options to get to South America as it is. Having said that, I was surprised at how big the YVR-Brazil market is.

Johnny Aussie
Oct 8, 2014, 1:17 AM
Demand continuing to outstrip capacity increases in all sectors.

Good to see capacity being absorbed.

http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=814

And YVR's AC domestic capacity increasing this winter with an additional 27-30 weekly flights in contrast to other Western Canadian bases.

And I was just thinking about this mob this morning.

They now have a website. Not much in here really.

www.jetlines.ca

Hot Rod
Oct 8, 2014, 2:16 AM
Yes ha ha.

Technically an upgrade (service quality ) but a downgauge (capacity).

My posts are usually about capacity changes. Helps forecast future stats.

sorry folks for tying up the forum, but just a quick question to Johnny.

Isn't 788 bigger (capacity) than 763? :) If it is indeed smaller cap, I do apologize but I was under the impression it was larger (and of course, newer as you highlighted).

Thanks all! :cheers:

Johnny Aussie
Oct 8, 2014, 2:42 AM
sorry folks for tying up the forum, but just a quick question to Johnny.

Isn't 788 bigger (capacity) than 763? :) If it is indeed smaller cap, I do apologize but I was under the impression it was larger (and of course, newer as you highlighted).

Thanks all! :cheers:

Not in JAL's case....

The 788 has 186 seats and the 763s they flew to YVR had 199 seats.

So a small difference in actual seats but still a bit less.

YVR Bruce
Oct 8, 2014, 3:14 AM
The 788 has 186 seats and the 763s they flew to YVR had 199 seats.

It would be interesting to learn about the relative fuel efficiency effect of that switch. Boeing claims 20-odd % improvement for the 787 over the '67, but that is probably based on 300 seats vs 225-240 (or in AC's case, 251 vs 191).

Hot Rod
Oct 8, 2014, 3:35 AM
ah, thanks Johnny!!!

hopefully it will make it easier for the flight to have a load advantage. Pax can definitely appreciate the superior product and experience. ...

Johnny Aussie
Oct 8, 2014, 9:38 AM
Effective 8 January Westjet adding a second daily to PSP....

And I was just saying how Westjet put the brakes on transborder expansion. Perhaps a response to Rouge?

YVR-PSP
WS1724 dep 0725 arr 1015 73W **
WS1722 dep 0825 arr 1115 73H

PSP-YVR
WS1723 dep 1205 arr 1503 73H
WS1725 dep 1900 arr 2158 73W **

** new flight

New milestones for the upcoming winter:
Total Westjet transborder increases to 14 daily.
Total transborder from YVR will now exceed 70 daily (up from 60 last winter)
Total Westjet (including Encore) will be just under 60 daily (up from 56 last winter)

deasine
Oct 8, 2014, 3:34 PM
They now have a website. Not much in here really.

www.jetlines.ca

I felt like I stepped into 2005.

Canadian74
Oct 8, 2014, 4:38 PM
AC is flipping a/c all over the place! 77L is now on YYC-FRA for the winter replacing the 333.

It's also on one of the YYZ-FRA flights I believe in the winter. I don't think AC requires the range of the 77L anymore, after the increase in 77W MTOW.

Their longest flights (YYZ-HKG, YVR-SYD) are being operated with 77W.

craneSpotter
Oct 8, 2014, 6:18 PM
And YVR's AC domestic capacity increasing this winter with an additional 27-30 weekly flights in contrast to other Western Canadian bases.

And I was just thinking about this mob this morning.

They now have a website. Not much in here really.

www.jetlines.ca

Good to see the increase in AC domestic capacity out of Vancouver!

Canada Jetlines is in the process of amalgamating (qualifying transaction) with Inovent Capital Ltd., a TSXV listed capital pool company. This is inline with Jetlines business plan. The new amalgamated corporation will be named .... Canada Jetlines Ltd.... , and will be listed on the TSXV under a new symbol. They are getting closer to launch...now lets see if they fly!

casper
Oct 12, 2014, 4:48 AM
It's also on one of the YYZ-FRA flights I believe in the winter. I don't think AC requires the range of the 77L anymore, after the increase in 77W MTOW.

Their longest flights (YYZ-HKG, YVR-SYD) are being operated with 77W.

Not certain if it is correct, but I remember reading somewhere that the MTOW upgrade permits the 777-300 to service SYD without restriction only until the aircraft get reconfigured in 10 across economy. Once that happens they will need the 77L again.

twoNeurons
Oct 15, 2014, 8:42 AM
Not in JAL's case....

The 788 has 186 seats and the 763s they flew to YVR had 199 seats.

So a small difference in actual seats but still a bit less.

Yep, they followed ANA's lead and went with a 2-4-2 layout in economy.
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Japan_Airlines/Japan_Airlines_787-800.php

United ordered their 787s with a tighter 3-3-3 layout (219 pax)
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/United_Airlines/United_Airlines_Boeing_787-800.php

I'll be trying out JAL's 787 product in just over two weeks!

Johnny Aussie
Oct 16, 2014, 11:14 PM
Another solid month for YVR and YYC.

Overall highlights for the West:

YVR
LHR up about 6,500 pax and a very solid 94.8% LF. Approx 93% of the added capacity absorbed. A very good sign.
LGW up about 450 pax. LF almost 98%. Perhaps one reason why Air Transat increasing to 6 weekly next summer.
http://news-releases.transat.com/2014-10-15-Air-Transat-unveils-its-new-Europe-program-for-2015
MAN and GLA minimal change but very decent 89.8% and 92.7% LFs.

With Virgin Atlantic pulling out next summer these numbers will obviously take a hit next year.

YYC
LHR up about 1,500 pax and a solid LF of 93.7%. Approx 78% of the added capacity has been absorbed.
LGW down about 840 pax but due to fewer flights because of days of week of flights. LF about 88%.
MAN and GLA a mixed bag but good LF of 89.2%

YEG
LHR down about 1,000 pax and a LF of about 88.8%. Not bad.
LGW no passengers in September compared to last year.

Johnny Aussie
Oct 16, 2014, 11:17 PM
Next summer Air Transat is cancelling the YVR-FRA and YYC-FRA routes.

Overall Air Transat will have 15 weekly flights from YVR to Europe versus 16 this past summer. So overall, not a significant hit. Increased flying to AMS and LGW offsetting the loss of the 3 weekly FRA flights.

http://news-releases.transat.com/2014-10-15-Air-Transat-unveils-its-new-Europe-program-for-2015

SpongeG
Oct 17, 2014, 12:41 AM
where is PSP?

thegx
Oct 17, 2014, 12:56 AM
^Palm Springs...

SpongeG
Oct 17, 2014, 6:39 PM
ah ok

s211
Oct 17, 2014, 7:34 PM
Might anyone know the level of pre-leasing accomplished at the outlet mall? A colleague of mine suggested it was only in the very low double-digits, but that just feels a little crazy.

Johnny Aussie
Oct 17, 2014, 10:08 PM
Just saw a tweet recruiting more YVR-based FAs.

Bilingual Japanese/English but also French/English.

We know what the Japanese/English is for.... (KIX and ???)

I know the YVR base for rouge doesn't have a requirement for bilingual French/English now.... soooo.... to be specifically recruiting for bilingual French/English could this mean YVR-??? is actually in the cards?

Kapten
Oct 17, 2014, 10:15 PM
just saw a tweet recruiting more yvr-based fas.

Bilingual japanese/english but also french/english.

We know what the japanese/english is for.... (kix and ???)

i know the yvr base for rouge doesn't have a requirement for bilingual french/english now.... Soooo.... To be specifically recruiting for bilingual french/english could this mean yvr-??? Is actually in the cards?

cdg? Or even better: Paris, Geneva, and Brussels? :-)

phesto
Oct 17, 2014, 10:21 PM
Might anyone know the level of pre-leasing accomplished at the outlet mall? A colleague of mine suggested it was only in the very low double-digits, but that just feels a little crazy.

I had heard that it is hovering around 75%, and that is only because the developer is holding back several units until completion. The leasing activity has been so good that they are proceeding with phase 2 (of 3) immediately.

officedweller
Oct 17, 2014, 10:23 PM
Does Phase 2 mean a smaller parking lot (that people were complaining about walking across from the station)?

EDIT - found this:

The centre will be built in two phases:
The first phase will offer 240,000 sq. ft. of retail and café/restaurants, with the centre reaching a total of nearly 400,000 sq. ft. and 150 stores on completion of a second phase.
The centre will offer more than 2,500 adjacent parking spaces to complement its Canada Line access.
http://www.mcarthurglen.com/en/designer-outlet-vancouver/en/our-new-outlet/#1738

This link mentions 3 stages:


Construction period: Stage 1 & 2: 12/2013 - 04/2015, Stage 3: 06/2016

Total project area: Stage 1 & 2: 42 048 m² , Stage 3: 23 825 m²
http://www.strabag.be/databases/internet/_public/content.nsf/web/EN-STRABAG.BE-vancouver.html#?men1=5&men2=undefined&sid=500&h=5


I wonder if there will be a Nordstrom Rack, HR2 or Saks Off 5th?

Johnny Aussie
Oct 17, 2014, 11:12 PM
cdg? Or even better: Paris, Geneva, and Brussels? :-)

I would think CDG is the only viable direct flight on your list mate. GVA and BRU would be minimal.

Rouge is exactly the type of carrier that can re-open previous routes that wouldn't be viable with the current Air Canada offerings. KIX is a perfect example. CDG would be another perfect example. If TS can do it... Rouge could definitely make a go of it.

Kapten
Oct 17, 2014, 11:32 PM
I would think CDG is the only viable direct flight on your list mate. GVA and BRU would be minimal.

Rouge is exactly the type of carrier that can re-open previous routes that wouldn't be viable with the current Air Canada offerings. KIX is a perfect example. CDG would be another perfect example. If TS can do it... Rouge could definitely make a go of it.

Well... BRU is a star alliance hub and GVA is a star alliance focus city, so perhaps there is a market for code share/connecting service?

MalcolmTucker
Oct 18, 2014, 4:26 AM
Well... BRU is a star alliance hub and GVA is a star alliance focus city, so perhaps there is a market for code share/connecting service?

BRU's main airline is Brussels Airlines, which is 45% owned by Lufthansa, which holds an option to buy the rest of the company.

GVA's Star airline is SWISS. 100% owned by Lufthansa.

Lufthansa, SWISS and Brussels Airlines has a full joint venture on transatlantic and connecting flights with Air Canada and United.

Even if there was sufficient origin and destination traffic, I can't see either being boosted much by hubbing.

casper
Oct 21, 2014, 4:40 AM
Interesting piece:


http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/worlds-worst-airport-2014-islamabad-pakistan/story-e6frfq80-1227097049646

Vancouver was the only North American airport to make the top 10 airports list. As expect LaGuardia was the only North American airport to make the worse 10 list.

Denscity
Oct 21, 2014, 5:24 AM
Ya YVR is always voted in the top 10 in the world (#5 here) and #1 in North America year after year.

nname
Oct 21, 2014, 8:46 AM
Sunwing Airlines Adds Vancouver – Freeport Service from Nov 2014

Sunwing Airlines from 01NOV14 is launching service between Vancouver and Freeport, with 1 weekly flight. Initially service operates via Calgary in both direction, but this will become nonstop operation from 19DEC14. Nonstop operational schedule as follow.

WG216 YVR0900 – 1600FPO 738 5
WG217 FPO1915 – 2310YVR 738 5

http://airlineroute.net/2014/10/21/wg-yvrfpo-w14/

Johnny Aussie
Oct 22, 2014, 2:14 AM
YUL just posted their August pax stats.

Total international for YUL was 936,866 vs 1,006,974 for YVR.

YTD international for YUL was 6,322,367 vs 6,434,990 for YVR.

The gap has widened a bit in August.

craneSpotter
Oct 22, 2014, 7:38 PM
YUL just posted their August pax stats.

Total international for YUL was 936,866 vs 1,006,974 for YVR.

YTD international for YUL was 6,322,367 vs 6,434,990 for YVR.

The gap has widened a bit in August.

Does YUL not have some significant international expansion coming in 2015?

craneSpotter
Oct 22, 2014, 7:40 PM
Air Canada Rouge modifies planned Vancouver – Osaka Service in S15

Update at 0800GMT 22OCT14

Air Canada rouge on Tuesday 21OCT14 opened reservations for planned Vancouver – Osaka Kansai service, starting 01MAY15. Based on inventory listing, rouge will offer 4 weekly flights from 01MAY15 to 24MAY15 (YVR departure), instead of 5. The 5th weekly service will be added from 26MAY15.

Flight number change is also effect.

AC1951 YVR1205 – 1455+1KIX 763 x146
AC1952 KIX1625 – 1000YVR 763 x257

Service operates Day x46 from YVR, Day x57 from KIX from 26MAY15. Previously AC planned to operate this route as AC1927/1928.

http://airlineroute.net/2014/10/22/zx-kix-s15update2/

Johnny Aussie
Oct 22, 2014, 10:31 PM
Does YUL not have some significant international expansion coming in 2015?

They sure are. Have you seen YVR's list too? :P

I still believe international is international... Travel between two countries.... No other country in the world separates segments like this. I get why Canada does because transborder is obviously a huge chunk for a lot of Canadian airports. But when comparing international stats with other world airports and with say Aussie airports should we take out the trans-Tasman (New Zealand) pax numbers? It's the closest equivalent to transborder I suppose. US Airports record their transborder as part of international as well.

spm2013
Oct 22, 2014, 11:51 PM
....

craneSpotter
Oct 23, 2014, 8:09 PM
They sure are. Have you seen YVR's list too? :P

I still believe international is international... Travel between two countries.... No other country in the world separates segments like this. I get why Canada does because transborder is obviously a huge chunk for a lot of Canadian airports. But when comparing international stats with other world airports and with say Aussie airports should we take out the trans-Tasman (New Zealand) pax numbers? It's the closest equivalent to transborder I suppose. US Airports record their transborder as part of international as well.

Yes of course I have! Just seems like YUL is also getting quite a few new INT flights and/or frequency increases.

I may be wrong, but I think Transborder traffic was separated out because the US and Canada had/have special customs & Immigration agreements in place for cross border travel. So from a customs and Immigration standpoint the flights were not truly 'international' like flights from other countries. :shrug:

YYCguys
Oct 23, 2014, 8:25 PM
Not sure if this was previously posted, but a Carl Jr's in the A-B connector Phase 2



http://www.yvr.ca/en/Blog/Posts/First_Phase_of_New_A-B_Connector_Now_Open.aspx

So, pizza/burgers/coffee will be represented. This is good, because there's not a lot there right now (Sbux and Palominos in A, Green Bean in B). If you are taking off out of a B gate, it's quite a hike from Sbux to your gate, so gotta get through security mighty early!

SpongeG
Oct 23, 2014, 10:07 PM
Does Phase 2 mean a smaller parking lot (that people were complaining about walking across from the station)?

EDIT - found this:


http://www.mcarthurglen.com/en/designer-outlet-vancouver/en/our-new-outlet/#1738

This link mentions 3 stages:


http://www.strabag.be/databases/internet/_public/content.nsf/web/EN-STRABAG.BE-vancouver.html#?men1=5&men2=undefined&sid=500&h=5


I wonder if there will be a Nordstrom Rack, HR2 or Saks Off 5th?

i've never seen a rack inside an outlet mall and they have pushed back plans to open those stores until 2017 after seeing how the regular stores do

saks off 5th probably they are pretty small, the ones i have been to anyway, the rack stores are at least the size of a winners, saks off 5th not much larger than a gap store

officedweller
Oct 23, 2014, 11:07 PM
Saks Off 5th at Bridgeport Village (south of Portland is the nicest I've seen) It's about the size of a Winners with high ceilings.
The one at Las Vegas Premium Outlets (South) is old and much smaller.

The Nordstrom Rack at Factoria Mall (near Bellevue) is huge - 41,000 sq feet.
http://marketplaceatfactoria.com/leasing.asp

Johnny Aussie
Oct 24, 2014, 1:22 AM
Yes of course I have! Just seems like YUL is also getting quite a few new INT flights and/or frequency increases.

I may be wrong, but I think Transborder traffic was separated out because the US and Canada had/have special customs & Immigration agreements in place for cross border travel. So from a customs and Immigration standpoint the flights were not truly 'international' like flights from other countries. :shrug:

Mais oui!

My other theory is no matter from where you get off a plane... be that Minneapolis, Manchester or Manila... You gotta go through the same customs and immigration :-)

Johnny Aussie
Oct 24, 2014, 2:44 AM
1) In Craig Richmond's speech to the Vancouver Board of Trade this week he is expecting the Transit Without Visa (TWOV) program to get the nod from the Feds in the next few months.
http://www.biv.com/article/2014/10/yvr-banks-transit-without-visa-program-help-it-bat/

2) AC has loaded its KIX flights and are now open for reservation.

3) The additional PR flights to MNL are now added as well and JFK finally listed as a destination on their reservations page.
Their official press release.
http://www.philippineairlines.com/news-and-events/pal-flies-new-york-march-2015

4) AC's first of many international Dreamliner routes kicks off on Sunday to PVG.

Ramp it up!

trofirhen
Oct 24, 2014, 2:23 PM
DELTA Seattle hub routes to Asia. How much of a challenge does this pose to YVR? (DL once had a PDX - Asia hub that included Fukuoka and Bangkok. As you all know that hub was disbanded)
Nevertheless, as an aside, is YVR to BKK a feasability? Would it be a good one to have?

http://upgrd.com/images/upload/image/aerospace/sea-asia.gif
http://upgrd.com/images/upload/image/aerospace/sea-asia.gif

Denscity
Oct 24, 2014, 5:21 PM
1) In Craig Richmond's speech to the Vancouver Board of Trade this week he is expecting the Transit Without Visa (TWOV) program to get the nod from the Feds in the next few months.
http://www.biv.com/article/2014/10/yvr-banks-transit-without-visa-program-help-it-bat/

2) AC has loaded its KIX flights and are now open for reservation.

3) The additional PR flights to MNL are now added as well and JFK finally listed as a destination on their reservations page.
Their official press release.
http://www.philippineairlines.com/news-and-events/pal-flies-new-york-march-2015

4) AC's first of many international Dreamliner routes kicks off on Sunday to PVG.

Ramp it up!

:cheers: The exciting news for YVR keeps flowing in thanks again Johnny! Cheers