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Canadian74
Oct 16, 2007, 10:24 PM
I think Montreal will have the first scheduled A380 service in Canada.

Correct. Air France from Paris, along with 3 other daily flights in the summer (4 daily total). Starts in 2009. First test flight will be this Nov. 12.

j4893k
Oct 17, 2007, 5:49 AM
Don't know if anyone has seen this but there's a cool 3D rendering video of the link building on yvr's webiste. It shows the inside and how it will connect to the station quite well.

http://www.yvr.ca/authority/news/whatsnew.asp?vid=linkbuilding

Does anyone have any pics?

phesto
Oct 22, 2007, 5:39 PM
NWA is back year-round:

Northwest Resumes Minneapolis-Vancouver Service

This month, Northwest Airlines resumes its year-round Minneapolis-Vancouver flights. The daily flights will use Embraer EMB-175 LR (Long Range) aircraft operated by Compass Airlines, a wholly owned subsidiary of Northwest operating under the Northwest Airlink banner. The service will leave Minneapolis/ St Paul at 9:10 a.m., arriving at 10:55 a.m., while the return option leaves Vancouver at noon and lands in Minnesota at 5:29 p.m.

“We are delighted to once again offer year-round service between Minneapolis/St Paul and Vancouver,” said Tom Bach, vice president market planning and Airlink. “We believe the new dual-class regional jets serving the route will be popular with business and leisure customers.” The NWA EMB-175 accommodates 76 passengers in a dual-class configuration, with 12 seats in first class and 64 seats in coach class.

Compass plans to operate a fleet of 10 EMB-175 aircraft by the end of 2007, and 36 aircraft by the end of 2008.

mattropolis
Oct 24, 2007, 6:50 AM
Here are some pics I took on the weekend. Most of the link building isn't open yet.


Looking from International Terminal. The part behind the plastic is the round glass part of the link building not open yet.
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6529/airport9te1.jpg


Note the different tile colour.
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/725/airport8gs4.jpg


New departures screen and check-in desks not open yet.
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/6923/airport7vj7.jpg


Outside
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6596/airport6mq3.jpg

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2158/airport4mt9.jpg

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/738/airport3vw3.jpg

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6458/airport2ap1.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2430/airport1ik6.jpg

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7526/airportzn2.jpg

mr.x
Oct 24, 2007, 7:02 AM
^ really nice pics, thx for posting....but ugh, the flooring! standing at where the old and new are, it looks terrible - that they didn't try to match it with the old design.

the roof is also different...it's missing the aqua strips the old design had. it's too much of a contrast between the old and new.

nname
Oct 25, 2007, 7:32 AM
^ really nice pics, thx for posting....but ugh, the flooring! standing at where the old and new are, it looks terrible - that they didn't try to match it with the old design.
I think someone in the forum (was it here or SSC?) mentioned that they are going to push the check in counter back to line up with the ones in the link buildings... Maybe they'll match it then?

EDIT: Now I found it... it was from DYK from Airliners.net
The news is the link building is about 80% complete. We have heard that the Intl Check In counters in the ITB will be removed in two phases. The wall behind the check in counters will be removed and the counter will be pushed back level with the check in counters in the Link Building? Not sure if the offices above the check in counters will be gone as well but seems they will be. Heard also the airline offices against the south wall of the ITB will be removed?

They are also totally re-doing the immigration and customs area next to the Intl arrivals hall, i have no idea what the end result will look like.

deasine
Oct 25, 2007, 10:50 PM
^ really nice pics, thx for posting....but ugh, the flooring! standing at where the old and new are, it looks terrible - that they didn't try to match it with the old design.

the roof is also different...it's missing the aqua strips the old design had. it's too much of a contrast between the old and new.

Completely agree! I think the nicest part of YVR is the domestic terminal checkins... They should keep that design and use it throughout the airport.

mr.x
Oct 26, 2007, 1:55 AM
The news is the link building is about 80% complete. We have heard that the Intl Check In counters in the ITB will be removed in two phases. The wall behind the check in counters will be removed and the counter will be pushed back level with the check in counters in the Link Building? Not sure if the offices above the check in counters will be gone as well but seems they will be. Heard also the airline offices against the south wall of the ITB will be removed?

They are also totally re-doing the immigration and customs area next to the Intl arrivals hall, i have no idea what the end result will look like.

That's GREAT to hear. I'm guessing they've realized that the international check-in area is quite congested and needs more space. i said it before that it was too narrow and the line ups often blocked people from moving across the hall.

so i'm guessing there could be a reflooring of the terminal built in 1995?

Canadian74
Oct 27, 2007, 5:46 PM
In one of the pictures, there is sign in English as well as Chinese. Are all other signs at the airport in Chinese too?

mr.x
Oct 27, 2007, 8:06 PM
In one of the pictures, there is sign in English as well as Chinese. Are all other signs at the airport in Chinese too?

Looks like it, but correction: English, French, and Chinese.

SpongeG
Oct 27, 2007, 10:52 PM
a friend of mine just had an interview here for Emirates Airlines

sounds like a multi interview process

are they going to be coming to YVR?

Canadian74
Oct 28, 2007, 7:30 PM
a friend of mine just had an interview here for Emirates Airlines

sounds like a multi interview process

are they going to be coming to YVR?

The current bi-lateral agreement between Canada and the UAE allows for a total of 6x weekly flights from each country. 3 were taken by Etihad before and Emirates recently took the other 3 for service to YYZ (starts tomorrow).

Emirates have officially said that they want to fly daily to YYZ and they also have selected their second Canadian destination, which is YYC.

They were trying to negotiate with the Canadian gov't. about increaseing their YYZ frequencies as well as adding YYC, but the Canadian gov't. said NO. They said fly to YYZ for a year and prove to us that the loads are sufficient enough to support a daily frequency.

So, to sum it up, when the bi-lateral is negotiated again in late 2008/early 2009, Emirates will first increase their YYZ frequency to daily, add daily YYC service and then look to other possible Canadian destinations such as YVR and YUL. Emirates will come to YYC before coming to YVR, which is surprising. YVR won't happen for the next few years.

phesto
Oct 28, 2007, 9:04 PM
The current bi-lateral agreement between Canada and the UAE allows for a total of 6x weekly flights from each country. 3 were taken by Etihad before and Emirates recently took the other 3 for service to YYZ (starts tomorrow).

Emirates have officially said that they want to fly daily to YYZ and they also have selected their second Canadian destination, which is YYC.

They were trying to negotiate with the Canadian gov't. about increaseing their YYZ frequencies as well as adding YYC, but the Canadian gov't. said NO. They said fly to YYZ for a year and prove to us that the loads are sufficient enough to support a daily frequency.

So, to sum it up, when the bi-lateral is negotiated again in late 2008/early 2009, Emirates will first increase their YYZ frequency to daily, add daily YYC service and then look to other possible Canadian destinations such as YVR and YUL. Emirates will come to YYC before coming to YVR, which is surprising. YVR won't happen for the next few years.

Not really surprising that YYC would be the next logical choice considering Emirates specifically mentioned Calgary as the epicentre of the Canadian oil market, which they are targetting.

I can't see EK coming to YVR even in a few years, there just isn't the demand; maybe DXB-YYC-YVR would work, but then I can't see the government allowing that one.

Hot Rod
Oct 29, 2007, 2:01 AM
perhaps it should be DXB-YVR-YYC and/or DXB-YVR-YUL, since YVR is closer and is the AsiaPac hub if nothing else. ???

Delirium
Nov 5, 2007, 1:04 AM
here's a great shot of the link building taken from the fairmont

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/Toronto416/1850922690_35d988b9c0_o.jpg?t=1194224629
from www.flickr.com

deasine
Nov 5, 2007, 4:37 AM
that pic doesn't look like YVR is an airport anymore =P

bils
Nov 7, 2007, 8:20 PM
this might be off-topic.... but anyways, they've planted a whole bunch of fairly large evergreen trees in the middle of the boulevard of grant mcconachie way (i.e., the road in and out of YVR) ...... it looks pretty good. should give the area a greener appearance especially during the wintertime/olympics

officedweller
Nov 7, 2007, 8:26 PM
Nice - now that they don't need it for the Canada Line, they may as well beautify it.

SpongeG
Nov 9, 2007, 4:40 AM
this might be off-topic.... but anyways, they've planted a whole bunch of fairly large evergreen trees in the middle of the boulevard of grant mcconachie way (i.e., the road in and out of YVR) ...... it looks pretty good. should give the area a greener appearance especially during the wintertime/olympics

yeah drove out to the airport last week and noticed that

looks nice :tup:

phesto
Nov 14, 2007, 6:35 PM
Airbus A380 Begins Commercial Service

Last month, an Airbus A380, powered by the new Engine Alliance GP7000engines, touched down at YVR as part of the aircraft’s certification process. Arriving from Bogota, Colombia, the aircraft was carrying 43 Airbus employees and testing equipment. This was the second time the A380 has visited YVR; the first visit took place in November 2006 amidst unusually wintry conditions.

During its visit, the A380 was parked at Gate 64 in the new International Terminal wing, where the Airport Operations team had the opportunity to test the automated gate guidance and doubleheaded bridge systems on the aircraft for the first time. The tests worked well, proving that YVR’s new facilities can easily handle these newer, larger aircraft of the future.

After the Vancouver stop, the aircraft departed as scheduled for Osaka, Japan, continuing its technical route-proving exercise to replicate a continuous, typical airline schedule.

phesto
Nov 14, 2007, 6:39 PM
YVR's traffic stats have been less than stellar. Here are the YTD stats as of Sep.30/07:

07/06YTD %Chg

Domestic 2.6%

Transborder 2.8%

International 3.0%

Overall 2.8%

SpongeG
Nov 15, 2007, 5:07 AM
Vancouver International Airport’s West Chevron project earns praise

http://www.journalofcommerce.com/images/archivesid/24969/200.jpg
The new West Chevron at YVR is located in the international terminal and earned PCL Constructors Westcoast a silver award.

Category: General Contractor Over $40 Million

Vancouver International Airport’s West Chevron project earns praise

BRIAN MARTIN

CORRESPONDENT

Probably few sites have kept so many contractors busy for as long as the Vancouver International Airport (YVR). It’s not hard to see why. Back in 1992, YVR handled 9.9 million passengers. This year, it will greet some 17.5 million — an increase of more than 70 per cent.

No less spectacular has been the expansion of the physical facility to accommodate all those visitors.

This year construction projects at YVR scooped up an impressive five silver awards in the Vancouver Construction Association’s Awards of Excellence program.

The star of the show is the new 36,000 square metre West Chevron in the International Terminal built by PCL Constructors Westcoast.

For its work on the project, PCL has won a Silver Award for general contractor on a project worth more than $40 million. PCL’s share of the West Chevron job was $80 million and the total cost was $185 million.

The West Chevron features eight new gates and is designed to accommodate the latest in aircraft including the giant double-decker Airbus A380. Although the first A380 went into service this month with Singapore Airlines there are currently no plans for it to serve Vancouver. Industry observers, however, expect this will change as time goes by.

When it does, YVR will be ready.

The expanded West Chevron is a truly spectacular facility. Among its many special features is a salt water aquarium, fresh water stream with three bridges and solar panels to supplement the domestic hot water system. There are eight new passenger elevators, six escalators and five wheelchair lifts. There are eight new gates, including two special gates to serve the A380. The aircraft carries up to 800 passengers on two decks and needs to load and unload from two levels simultaneously.

The West Chevron expansion began in June, 2005 and was wrapped up on time and on budget in May of 2007. Its vital statistics are impressive: It swallowed 4,700 tonnes of steel in 1,200 pieces, 12,500 square metres of concrete and 7,700 square metres of glazing in 2,000 pieces. A large project comes with large challenges. According to PCL project manager, Paul Hobern, the airport’s increased post 9/11 security was near the top of his list of details that needed regular attention. Portions of the project were “airside”, which means they were adjacent to aircraft.

http://www.journalofcommerce.com/images/archivesid/24969/201.jpg
Part of the challenge of working on the West Chevron expansion project was working inside a busy, fully functioning airport.

In those cases, the site had to be completely blocked off from the runway.

Construction materials were transported to sites via escorted delivery and crews had to be accompanied by security and were bused in and out.

All the trades, Hobern said, were aware of the situation early on and flagged it as something to be dealt with and planned for right off the top.

That, he said, kept problems to a minimum.

Other challenges revolved around maintaining a schedule while working inside a very busy operating airport and dealing with value engineering to keep costs under control.

“With YVR however,” Hobern said, “we were working with a client who knows his business and with people who made our lives a whole lot easier.”

The West Chevron also brought a Silver Award to Protec Installations for electrical work and to Keith Plumbing and Heating (KPH) for the “thematic fit out”.

Also winning a silver award was Wesbridge Steelworks for the Link Building, a YVR project that is completely separate from the West Chevron.Keith Plumbing and Heating however, won a second silver award for their work on the West Chevron. It was in the category of a mechanical contractor on a project worth more than $3 million. KPH had a $13.5 million lump sum contract at the West Chevron.

They started work in January of 2006 when the project was already well underway and finished up on March 31, 2007.

An important part of their job was providing value engineering — in other words finding ways to cut costs.

They were successful in creating approximately $1 million in mechanical savings.

Like all contractors working at the airport, KPH found security to be among their biggest concerns.

Along with that came the job of having material and deliveries made to a secured job site location within the airport, placing large air handling units in the mechanical rooms, hoisting equipment to the roof and working with a schedule that allowed all operations to continue during construction.

The mechanical systems are state-of-the art and include a solar heating system for domestic hot water and a ground water cooling system.

The solar heating system was installed to supply the new wing as well as future expansions with domestic hot water.

KPH said the package is a great system which goes along with YVR’s task of being a green building, a cost effective building and a world class facility to serve its passengers.

Ray Zibrik is president of YVR Project Management, the subsidiary company responsible for overseeing the project.

He said that the completion of the building was made possible by the dedication of hundreds of people, who have provided more than 900,000 hours of work since the project’s inception in 2005. The expansion was finished on time and on budget.”

http://www.journalofcommerce.com

SpongeG
Nov 15, 2007, 5:08 AM
Salt-water aquarium does more than just look pretty

http://www.journalofcommerce.com/images/archivesid/24974/600.jpg
The salt water aquarium at YVR is home to about 850 samples of B.C. marine life. The aquarium and a 60-metre long fresh water creek are part of the airport project.

Category: Mechanical Contractor Under $3 million

Salt-water aquarium does more than just look pretty

BRIAN MARTIN

CORRESPONDENT

Fish do not automatically jump to mind when talking about an airport. In the case of Vancouver International Airport (YVR), however, they are big news and they managed to help Keith Plumbing and Heating (KPH) reel in a Silver VRCA Award for a salt water aquarium that is part of the West Chevron Expansion in the International Terminal.

The aquarium won in the category of mechanical contractor on a project under $3 million. Officially, it is part of what is called a thematic fit out.

The fit out involved many different areas.

The highlight, however, and the feature that captured the attention of the VRCA project review committee is a spectacular 30,000 gallon salt water aquarium. It is home to about 850 samples of British Columbia marine life. There is also a 750-gallon jellyfish tank featuring moon jellyfish and a 60-metre-long fresh water creek. The creek starts at a wooden statue of a First Nations woman and flows through native plants, various displays, seating areas and bridges down the centre of the new terminal to the aquarium.

Anyone who has ever tried to keep a goldfish alive can appreciate just how complicated operating all of this can be. In fact, the aquarium and jellyfish tank displays are operated by the Vancouver Aquarium. The aquarium is using remote operating systems to control water quality and other critical conditions.

KPH worked with Energrated Systems when it came to monitoring and controlling the life support systems. They also have given credit to PCL, general contractor on the West Chevron expansion project as well as to Panther Management who were construction managers of the thematic displays and to TA Maranda Consultants Inc, the mechanical consultants who designed the marine life support systems.

“The project was extremely challenging, but the result justified all the effort to overcome the challenges,” said KPH.

Also winning a Silver Award at YVR this year was Wesbridge Steelworks for its work on the Link Building. The Link Building is exactly what it sounds like — it is the building that is linking the domestic and the international terminals. Until now they have been connected by a temporary walkway.

The Link Building will also connect with the Airport Station of the new Canada Line rapid transit system currently under construction. It is a five-storey structure that will include waiting areas, luggage handling facilities, increased international check-in points and two storeys of offices. The price tag is $17 million and Ledcor is the general contractor.

The structural steel work was one of the most complicated jobs ever undertaken by Wesbridge, according to the company’s president, George Sze. To put it in simple terms, the outside envelope is an elliptical silo.

The silo gets narrower as it gets higher. This means that the vertical structural steel pipes must tilt inwards as they go up. The roof platform is equally complicated as it is not only elliptically shaped, but it also tilts downward from front to back. The structure would not have been possible at all, Sze said, in the pre-computer age. For example, the steel pipes involved 1,500 templates. Access was also a challenge because the Link was basically plugging a hole in the middle between the two terminals. Construction involved a lot of heavy lifting by cranes working from ground level at the airport and hoisting steel members up past the arrivals level, the departures level and the administration level — the equivalent of 12 storeys. All of this was done during the winter and involved dealing with strong winds and rain.

The challenges continued inside as well. Part of the structure involves two storeys of offices above a 66-foot clear span area. This span is much longer than would normally be designed to support two additional floors. The project involved ordering steel beams from Europe six months in advance.

http://www.journalofcommerce.com/article/id24974

phesto
Nov 23, 2007, 6:27 PM
From less than stellar traffic stats, to less than stellar news:

- Qantas has dropped YVR. They will be discontinuing the seasonal service as of January 28, 2008. They probably couldn't get the loads they need at 3x weekly and considering they are now competing not just with AC, but with Air New Zealand. Sad to see them gone so soon.

- Frontier will be reducing their service to Denver from year-round to summer seasonal beginning May 08. They made the same move at YYC.

- Delta has dropped YVR-LAX effective in the new year.

excel
Nov 23, 2007, 11:57 PM
^really shitty to see qantas gone.

muzhav84
Nov 24, 2007, 4:26 AM
qantas may be back in the summer, very often seasonal service is "discontinued" with no sign of return, only to announce a new summer schedule in the new year.

phesto
Nov 24, 2007, 8:21 AM
qantas may be back in the summer, very often seasonal service is "discontinued" with no sign of return, only to announce a new summer schedule in the new year.

Would hope so, but the timing with the arrival of Air NZ seems too coincidental. Apparently the loads weren't great on the 744. I can see them giving it another shot in a couple of years after the delivery of some new 787s.

SpongeG
Nov 25, 2007, 1:02 AM
wasn't quantas just flying between here and california though?

phesto
Nov 26, 2007, 3:52 AM
wasn't quantas just flying between here and california though?

They were flying YVR-SFO-SYD. Tough to compete with AC which is YVR-SYD nonstop, daily(?).

Canadian74
Nov 26, 2007, 4:03 AM
Yes, AC's YVR-SYD (starting Dec. 14) will be daily.

Canadian74
Nov 26, 2007, 4:05 AM
wasn't quantas just flying between here and california though?

Dude, it's Qantas! QANTAS! Q-A-N-T-A-S!

Bert
Nov 26, 2007, 5:29 AM
China Eastern Airlines halved their frequency between YVR & Shanghai... I think they've been doing that since roughly early November.

I found out when I went to the airport to find my flight was cancelled. Gee, thanks.

giallo
Nov 26, 2007, 6:48 AM
AC has really stepped up it's game in Asia. They're always advertising in the English magazines here. Most Canadians and Americans I know use AC to go to and from Shanghai. I wonder if this is why other carriers have been reducing or eliminating service. Could AC actually be doing something right for a change?

phesto
Nov 27, 2007, 12:29 AM
AC has really stepped up it's game in Asia. They're always advertising in the English magazines here. Most Canadians and Americans I know use AC to go to and from Shanghai. I wonder if this is why other carriers have been reducing or eliminating service. Could AC actually be doing something right for a change?

There still isn't really a lot of choice when you're looking at YVR direct to Asia, and the growth in traffic has only been modest over the past several years, I think AC is just in a better position to capitalize on the YVR market than say, China Eastern. But I can't speak to the level of service for AC versus these other airlines.

Cathay on the other hand seems to be doing quite well, and rumor has it they will introduce a 3rd daily flight to Hong Kong (21x weekly!).

SpongeG
Nov 27, 2007, 12:37 AM
Dude, it's Qantas! QANTAS! Q-A-N-T-A-S!

damn my english teacher

twoNeurons
Nov 27, 2007, 12:39 AM
on flights to sydney, the stopover in SFO, isn't a bad thing for many... so I don't know if a direct route would compete that well... being on a plane for 14 hours is a LONG time... which is nice if it's broken up into two flights. Then again, not having to transfer in an American airport is a good thing, with security these days.

djh
Nov 27, 2007, 12:50 AM
damn my english teacher

Your English teacher taught you correctly: all English words that start with Q are followed by U. So QANTAS is not a "real" word - in fact, I think it's an acronym. No surprise, then, that you thought it had a "U" in there.

MistyMountainHop
Nov 27, 2007, 1:21 AM
QANTAS

Queensland
And
Northern
Territory
Air
Service

SpongeG
Nov 27, 2007, 1:31 AM
ah

I am just used to the whole QU thing

14 hours is pretty crappy to be stuck in a plane

natelox
Nov 27, 2007, 3:13 AM
on flights to sydney, the stopover in SFO, isn't a bad thing for many... so I don't know if a direct route would compete that well... being on a plane for 14 hours is a LONG time... which is nice if it's broken up into two flights. Then again, not having to transfer in an American airport is a good thing, with security these days.


Just because it lands in SFO, doesn't mean the passengers originating from YVR get off. The plane will just pull up to the gate, load passengers and luggage, and take off again. Speaking from experience, I would avoid this at all costs. It can easily turn an already long 14 hour flight into 16 hours or longer (accounting for time to descend, ascend, load passengers and luggage etc..).

Canadian74
Nov 27, 2007, 4:15 AM
ah

I am just used to the whole QU thing

14 hours is pretty crappy to be stuck in a plane

Still better than American customs/immigration.

excel
Nov 27, 2007, 11:06 AM
New Vancouver public 737 simulator near south terminal:
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/business/story.html?id=5fd68012-5296-4606-81ec-18f9daecc7b1&k=97355

twoNeurons
Nov 27, 2007, 5:49 PM
Just because it lands in SFO, doesn't mean the passengers originating from YVR get off. The plane will just pull up to the gate, load passengers and luggage, and take off again. Speaking from experience, I would avoid this at all costs. It can easily turn an already long 14 hour flight into 16 hours or longer (accounting for time to descend, ascend, load passengers and luggage etc..).

That's true... never thought of that.

anyway, so is the correct pronounciation of qantas (almost typed the u out of habit) pronounces Kon-tas then?

SpongeG
Nov 27, 2007, 8:36 PM
Still better than American customs/immigration.

yeah i flew into and out of the states in 2002 and they search your baggage before you can even check in

than again before you board the plane and than when i came back they made me miss my connecting flight :(

giallo
Nov 28, 2007, 1:58 AM
That's true... never thought of that.

anyway, so is the correct pronounciation of qantas (almost typed the u out of habit) pronounces Kon-tas then?

No, you still pronounce the Q as if it were Qu.

muzhav84
Nov 28, 2007, 3:40 AM
they are starting to remove the temporary wall in the link building, looks like the full building will be open soon. there is still construction going on, but it will be exposed. looks very nice! ill try to get a photo

SpongeG
Nov 28, 2007, 6:52 AM
from the outside last week the inside looked done but from the inside where the boarding was it looked like a few small things needed to be finished up

it looked great though and the new check in area was really nice

it was weird but it seemd that people were getting off US airlines and walking through the terminal to get to the domestic terminal

i though that passengers could transfer without having to come into the main area of the terminal?

lots of them looked confused and worried that they were going the wrong way - we could over hear some talking to each other as they tried to get to the domestic area

muzhav84
Nov 28, 2007, 11:31 AM
conneting from the US (or international) to a domestic flight, you have to leave the secured area, because you have to clear Canada customs and immigration, and once you do, you leave the secured area. air canada and westjet both have counters in the secured area for passengers arriving from international / transborder, to check in, drop of bags, and collect their boarding passes, but they then have to leave security and go to the domestic terminal to get to their gates.

in the opposite direction (arriving from Canada, going to international or transborder) you can connect within the secured area, because there is no customs and immigration to clear. you simply have to follow the signs to get to your gate. for international, you dont have to do anything but go to your international gate, and everything is checked through. for transborder, you stay behind security, and pick up your luggage at the US transfer carousel, and proceed through US customs and immigration with your bags.

so it is actually much easier for inbound domestic travel going outside canada, than it is for inbound. it all has to do with customs and immigration clearance. but i agree, many passengers are not properly informed of where to go. it is not uncommon for internationally arriving passengers to miss their domestic flight because they couldnt find their way to the domestic terminal

twoNeurons
Nov 28, 2007, 4:00 PM
No, you still pronounce the Q as if it were Qu.

Ahhh... but then Qatar would be kwaTar! :yes:

djh
Nov 28, 2007, 6:14 PM
Ahhh... but then Qatar would be kwaTar! :yes:

It's pronounced "Cat-ar" (and it's not an English word, hence the QU rule doesn't apply)

SpongeG
Nov 28, 2007, 10:12 PM
conneting from the US (or international) to a domestic flight, you have to leave the secured area, because you have to clear Canada customs and immigration, and once you do, you leave the secured area. air canada and westjet both have counters in the secured area for passengers arriving from international / transborder, to check in, drop of bags, and collect their boarding passes, but they then have to leave security and go to the domestic terminal to get to their gates.

in the opposite direction (arriving from Canada, going to international or transborder) you can connect within the secured area, because there is no customs and immigration to clear. you simply have to follow the signs to get to your gate. for international, you dont have to do anything but go to your international gate, and everything is checked through. for transborder, you stay behind security, and pick up your luggage at the US transfer carousel, and proceed through US customs and immigration with your bags.

so it is actually much easier for inbound domestic travel going outside canada, than it is for inbound. it all has to do with customs and immigration clearance. but i agree, many passengers are not properly informed of where to go. it is not uncommon for internationally arriving passengers to miss their domestic flight because they couldnt find their way to the domestic terminal

ah

we watched one poor family all lost - the wife was all i think we're lost are you sure this is the way and the husband was like yeah lets just keep going this way

maybe this is an area that could be improved at the airport? help the weary travellers out a little

bbeliko
Nov 29, 2007, 12:09 AM
A Fake Airline

Macau based Metis TransPacific Charter Airlines seems like a true bargain airline - until you realise they do not fly.





An interesting and elaborate website for this supposed Macau based long haul airline, but one which apparently does not actually operate any flights - although seeking to sell tickets through their web operation.

A SKYTRAX reader, Deanne Potter said "this new Macau based charter airline offers discounted flights between Macau, SAR, China and Vancouver, BC, Canada. The company’s website offers amazing seat sales and I recently reserved the Santa Special for HK1500 return. I received an email from reservations saying my requested travel dates were confirmed for 24 hours and that I could secure the ticket by wiring the money into the company’s Hong Kong bank account. I was asked to email my passenger information and the wire transfer number so my ticket could be issued. I had some questions regarding the ticket but was unable to find a current phone number for the company. The only number I could find is no longer in service and all contact information on the company’s website is via email. I began to get a little suspicious so I rang the Macau International Airport Authority and was informed that the airport has cancelled all Metis Transpacific flights out of Macau and that I should not pay for the said ticket. I feel that I have narrowly missed being conned and am posting this so that other unsuspecting travellers don’t get caught out too."


"The Metis Transpacific website makes all sorts of claims about aircraft, fleet and product offering, and even includes some internal cabin shots taken from an ex-South African Airways Boeing 747-400" said Peter Miller of Skytrax.

"However, neither Macau or Vancouver airports include any flights for this airline, despite the Metis Transpacific website stating that they have a flight operating today (2nd November) on this very route!" added Miller.

"It appears to be a clear case of buyer beware of these type of antics" according to Skytrax CEO Edward Plaisted. "Whilst the majority of potential customers will quickly realise that this is a spoof operation, with the price of air fares they are seeking to sell, it does not take many unwary consumers for such a company to falsely obtain substantial sums of money."

muzhav84
Nov 29, 2007, 5:51 AM
thats interesting about metis transpacific, i always wondered what the deal was with them. they never came to YVR, and I thought i was missing something. what a con, hopefully not too many people bought into it!

twoNeurons
Nov 29, 2007, 6:11 PM
It's pronounced "Cat-ar" (and it's not an English word, hence the QU rule doesn't apply)

I always thought it was ka-Tar!

I really need to put this little symbol behind my posts: :P :banana:

phesto
Nov 29, 2007, 6:20 PM
Direct flights from YVR to Guangzhou to begin in 2009

Vancouver Sun
Published: Thursday, November 29, 2007

GUANGZHOU, CHINA - B.C.'s role as Canada's Pacific Gateway was strengthened during Premier Gordon Campbell's mission to Asia, with an agreement signed between Vancouver International Airport (YVR) and China Southern Airlines that will see the first direct flights between Vancouver and Guangzhou starting July 2009.

"The Province has been at the forefront of efforts to establish direct flights between B.C. and Guangdong," said Premier Campbell, in a news release. "This agreement strengthens B.C.'s position as Canada's Pacific Gateway and supports increased cultural and business connections between B.C. and our sister province in China."

Officials signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) during a bilateral meeting Thursday, confirming the commencement of the first direct flights between Vancouver and Guangzhou in 2009. Premier Campbell is also meeting with China Eastern Airlines and Cathay Pacific Airlines during his trade mission to discuss expanding transportation links between China and B.C.

"Currently, citizens of Guangdong must travel either to Shanghai or Beijing to take advantage of air services to Vancouver, or alternatively transit through Hong Kong," said Tony Gugliotta, Vancouver Airport Authority's senior vice-president of marketing and commercial development, in the release. "Direct air service will allow greater ease and comfort for the many travelers moving between our two provinces."

British Columbia's Pacific Gateway Strategy targets 75 per cent growth in passengers traveling through Vancouver International Airport and a doubling of air cargo handled at YVR by 2020.

China is B.C.'s second-largest trading partner, with bilateral trade of more than $10 billion in 2006. China is also the top source of immigrants to B.C., with close to 11,000 immigrants settling in B.C. in 2006. Guangdong and British Columbia have been sister provinces since 1995.

SpongeG
Nov 29, 2007, 8:24 PM
great - is it a new airline for Vancouver too? China Southern Airlines

excel
Nov 29, 2007, 8:25 PM
Finally some good news, we will likely see their A330 or if we are lucky their 777-200ER. They also have orders for 787's with the first delivery in 2008.

A330:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6f/China%2BSouthern%2BA330-300%2BF-WWKG%2BB-6086.jpg/730px-China%2BSouthern%2BA330-300%2BF-WWKG%2BB-6086.jpg

777-200ER:
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/photos/photos/2/4/8/1295842.jpg

SpongeG
Nov 29, 2007, 8:29 PM
from wikipedia

On September 10, 2007, China Southern was awarded by CAAC to launch several new daily services to the U.S. and Europe in 2008 and 2009, including Beijing-Newark (beginning July 2008), Guangzhou-Moscow (October 2008), Beijing-Detroit (March 2009), Beijing-London (March 2009), Guangzhou-Vancouver (July 2009).[7] China Southern will also add 2 weekly flights from Guangzhou to Los Angeles in June 2008, and a daily flight from Beijing to Amsterdam in March 2009. China Southern has announced it will use the new Airbus A380 and Boeing 787 to operate the new routes. Since the delivery of both aircraft has been postponed, detailed information on the new flights have not been announced.

maybe we will get the A380 :)

giallo
Nov 30, 2007, 3:13 AM
That's awesome news. Guangdong province is such an amazing part of China and the world. All Vancouver needs now is a direct flight to either Chengdu (probably not going to happen) or Chongqing (very possible in the near future) in Sichuan province and it's set for China coverage.

The_Henry_Man
Nov 30, 2007, 3:46 AM
My dad just told me that according to tonight's Fairchild TV news, China Southern will be using Airbus 380 for the Guangzhou-Van route, next year.

Canadian Mind
Nov 30, 2007, 4:22 AM
second hand info. where could we look up the news report to confirm?

mr.x
Nov 30, 2007, 5:39 AM
the A380???? sweet!
http://mfgcommunity.autodesk.com/files/blog/kevin/A380.jpg

Hot Rod
Nov 30, 2007, 9:24 AM
My dad just told me that according to tonight's Fairchild TV news, China Southern will be using Airbus 380 for the Guangzhou-Van route, next year.

I believe it. Given Vancouver's very significant ties with Guangdong and the fact that China Southern would be getting their A380's around 2009 - I'd think it would be a very good marketing pitch in this route.

Congrat's to Vancouver - keep 'em coming!!!

mr.x
Nov 30, 2007, 9:53 PM
Enhanced air service boosts Canada’s Pacific gateway
30 November 2007
Press Release

http://www.dragonair.com/ka/manage_content_by_channel/footer1/images/logo_cx_en.gif

Transportation links between B.C. and the Asia Pacific were further enhanced today during Premier Gordon Campbell's mission to China as Cathay Pacific Airways announced it will add four new flights per week between Vancouver and Hong Kong, beginning March 30, 2008.

"Stronger air connections between B.C and the Asia Pacific are essential to forging economic partnerships, building tourism, and developing Vancouver as the North American centre for Asian commercial airlines," Campbell said. "Cathay Pacific's increased service will help us achieve our targets of 75 per cent growth in passengers and a doubling of air cargo moving through YVR by 2020, and further secure B.C.'s position as Canada's Pacific Gateway."

Today's announcement boosts the number of Cathay Pacific flights between Hong Kong and Vancouver, the airline's Canadian headquarters, to 21 from 17. The four new flights per week will see nearly 1,000 new passenger seats available per week, consistent with the Canada-Hong Kong bi-lateral air agreement.

"We're thrilled to be able to now offer triple-daily service to Vancouver, knowing it will further strengthen ties between Hong Kong and Canada," said Cathay Pacific Chief Executive Tony Tyler. "We look forward to continuing to support the growth of tourism and business development in B.C. and Canada, while providing convenient accessibility to our hub of Hong Kong, the important region of Mainland China and beyond."

This is the second time in less than five months that Cathay Pacific Airways has increased its air service between Hong Kong and Vancouver. Weekly flights were increased to 17 from 14 in July 2007. By March 2008, Cathay Pacific will offer three daily non-stop departures between Hong Kong and Vancouver, the same number as to Los Angeles and New York City, and one more than to San Francisco.

"China is one the fastest-growing sources of arrivals to Vancouver International Airport, and also one of the fastest-growing destinations for travellers flying out of YVR," said Tony Gugliotta, Vancouver Airport Authority's senior vice-president of marketing and commercial development. "Increased service between YVR and Hong Kong will mean greater convenience and more choice for thousands of travellers."

Hong Kong has long-established cultural ties with B.C. More than 500,000 people from Hong Kong live in Canada today, many residing in the Greater Vancouver area. Hong Kong is home to the largest Canadian business community in Asia, with more than 250,000 Canadian passport-holders living there. Approximately 150 Canadian companies maintain office branches or subsidies in Hong Kong and a further 450 are represented by distributors, agents, or joint venture partners.

More information on the Pacific Gateway Strategy, the Action Plan and the targets for 2020 is available online at www.pacificgateway.gov.bc.ca/. British Columbia’s Asia Pacific Initiative can be found at www.gov.bc.ca/ecdev.

deasine
Nov 30, 2007, 10:41 PM
Cathay Pacific will be doing a lot more in the coming years to improve the flights between Vancouver and Hong Kong because of Oasis Airlines now. Imagine if a third airline comes into the picture...

Hot Rod
Dec 1, 2007, 12:21 AM
Dragonair next?

Great news nonetheless!!! Go Gordon Campbell!!!!

Bert
Dec 1, 2007, 2:45 AM
I guess Campbell couldn't get China Eastern to budge though, which is too bad.

mr.x
Dec 1, 2007, 2:53 AM
I guess Campbell couldn't get China Eastern to budge though, which is too bad.

in time, they'll come crawling back begging to be added...

bbeliko
Dec 1, 2007, 3:55 AM
The guys in seattle sould be so mad about this, YVR is getting The a380 and SEA Isn't

Canadian Mind
Dec 1, 2007, 4:12 AM
Who cares? Seattle can suck it. :P

mr.x
Dec 1, 2007, 5:42 AM
can sea even handle the a380?

Hot Rod
Dec 1, 2007, 8:27 AM
can sea even handle the a380?

NOPE.

runways not manufactured for it, ramp not designed to handle it, no gates designed to accommodate it. This was in the press, SeaTac aint gonna get the A380 and they dont care either.

I think it can land - technically - at Boeing Field airport tho. :haha:

mr.x
Dec 1, 2007, 8:41 AM
NOPE.

runways not manufactured for it, ramp not designed to handle it, no gates designed to accommodate it. This was in the press, SeaTac aint gonna get the A380 and they dont care either.

I think it can land - technically - at Boeing Field airport tho. :haha:

YAY! SOMETHING WE HAVE AND THEY DON'T!

Hourglass
Dec 1, 2007, 9:59 AM
I believe it. Given Vancouver's very significant ties with Guangdong and the fact that China Southern would be getting their A380's around 2009 - I'd think it would be a very good marketing pitch in this route.

Congrat's to Vancouver - keep 'em coming!!!

Candidly, I'm a little skeptical that they'll use an A380 for regular service. Until Canada gets Approved Destination Status from China -- something that is unlikely given the current Federal Government's suspicion of the PRC. It simply doesn't make business sense. Cathay's 3X daily is perfectly logical given the strong family and business links, but Guangzhou?

By way of comparison, I understand China Eastern has been suffering from very low loads on the PVG-YVR route -- somewhere in the region of 60% or less. If loads are that low on flights to China's biggest commercial center, why would Guangzhou be any better (which incidentally also explains why China Eastern isn't going to increase service -- at least in the short run)?

bbeliko
Dec 1, 2007, 4:53 PM
YAY! SOMETHING WE HAVE AND THEY DON'T!
Is that really the only thing Vancouver has and Seattle doesn't???

muzhav84
Dec 2, 2007, 10:09 PM
Air China Now Providing Enhanced Service To Canada
December 3, 2007
Air China has upgraded two of its routes, increasing its premium cabin service to eleven international routes, covering all of North America and most major cities in Europe.

In late October Air China added "Capital Pavilion" Business Class service to its Beijing-Vancouver route with new Airbus A330 wide-body aircraft, as well as premium three-cabin service to its Shanghai-Beijing-Paris route with Airbus A340 wide-body equipment. The premium cabin service features Air China's recently upgraded First Class, "Forbidden Pavilion," as well as Air China's lie-flat "Capital Pavilion" Business Class, in addition to traditional economy service.

"Air China is working hard to provide a global, high-quality airline that is well recognized by passengers, most valuable in China, most profitable in China, and competitive worldwide," said Lan Zhang, vice president of Air China. "By offering three excellent classes of onboard service across a strong global network, Air China is satisfying more and more passengers as it increasingly connects China to the world."

These new services now make Air China the highest quality airline from China servicing Canadian cities.

Air China has already launched upgraded premium-cabin A330/A340 service on nine international routes, including the three U.S. nonstops of Beijing-New York, Beijing-Los Angeles, and Beijing-San Francisco. In Europe six routes receive the Forbidden Pavilion and Capital Pavilion three-class service: Beijing-London, Beijing-Madrid-Sao Paulo, Shanghai-Milan-Rome, Shanghai-Paris, Beijing-Frankfurt, and Shanghai-Frankfurt.

twoNeurons
Dec 3, 2007, 12:29 AM
Considering like half of Seattle is employed by BOEING, what makes anyone think Seattle would really care if they never got the AIRBUS A380.

As an airplane fan, I'm looking forward to seeing the A380, but as a passenger, I'm more looking forward to the 787.

SpongeG
Dec 4, 2007, 1:53 AM
Non-stop Delhi-Vancouver flights announced

NEW DELHI, INDIA - Premier Gordon Campbell announced today that Kingfisher Airlines has committed to operate the first non-stop Delhi-Vancouver flights as soon as possible.

It's expected that the non-stop service will reduce travel time between Delhi and Vancouver from about 25 hours to 15 hours.

"Building better transportation links between B.C. and India will build on the already-close social, cultural and business relationships that exist between our two jurisdictions," said Campbell, after meeting with Dr. Vijay Mallya, Kingfisher Airlines' chairman and CEO, in Delhi.

"The convenience of direct, non-stop flights between Vancouver and Delhi will create a major benefit for our whole community."

Added Campbell, "It helps establish our gateway status for the world's two fastest-growing economies, China and India, while creating a vital link for our Indo-Canadian community, business,

investors from B.C. and our tourism industry."

Mallya said thousands of people traveling between B.C. and India every month will benefit from the direct service.

Tony Gugliotta, the Vancouver Airport Authority's senior vice-president of marketing and commercial development, said the service is integral to the Vancouver Gateway Strategy, as Delhi represents the largest market not served non-stop from Vancouver.

"We see the market as having enormous potential, not only through our cultural ties, but through increased business and tourism linkages," he said. "Non-stop service will greatly enhance the convenience and ease for travel between Delhi and Vancouver."

India was the second-highest source for immigrants settling in British Columbia in 2006. About 28 per cent of all Indian tourists to Canada arrived through Vancouver in 2006.

Earlier in Premier Campbell's mission to Asia, Cathy Pacific and China Southern Airlines announced increased air service between China and Vancouver.

Campbell is currently on his fourth mission to Asia.

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=e2d1ac8b-2b5c-4c4f-a894-be2a331a1dbf&k=6689

pic of a kingfisher plane - not bad

http://rameshsreekantan.googlepages.com/Kingfisher.jpg/Kingfisher-full.jpg

maybe it will be the A380? for such a long flight?

http://www.airways.cz/images/novinky/kingfisher_airlines_a380.jpg

mr.x
Dec 4, 2007, 3:11 AM
^ sweet! but personally, i'd be scared to fly a trans-Pacific flight to India on anything smaller than a 747.

The_Henry_Man
Dec 4, 2007, 3:28 AM
15 hrs?? Premier Campbell must be VERY, VERY optimistic. A flight from Van to HK is already around 13.5hrs if it's a headwind flight, and it's around 1hr flight from HK to Taiwan.

SpongeG
Dec 4, 2007, 3:59 AM
maybe there is a fuel stop?

when my parents flew from New York to South Africa it was shown as a non-stop flight - but in reality it stopped at a small island in the atlantic near africa for refuelling - ile da sol i think it was called

but it was "non-stop" people were not allowed off the plane and the stop was very brief

excel
Dec 4, 2007, 4:30 AM
Air New Zealand's flight from Vancouver to Auckland is 14hrs non-stop with a 777-200ER.

Nutterbug
Dec 4, 2007, 6:16 PM
Isn't Kingfisher a beer company?

bbeliko
Dec 4, 2007, 9:45 PM
Isn't Kingfisher a beer company?
Nope, it's a "new" airline from India http://www.flykingfisher.com/index.asp

SpongeG
Dec 4, 2007, 10:59 PM
i like their livery

Nutterbug
Dec 4, 2007, 11:44 PM
Nope, it's a "new" airline from India http://www.flykingfisher.com/index.asp

Look again.

http://storage.kanshin.com/free/img_34/349012/k813641593.jpg

Exact same logo.

MistyMountainHop
Dec 5, 2007, 2:35 AM
Wow, an airline owned by a beer company. That's awesome. Maybe Molson should buy Air Canada ...

nname
Dec 5, 2007, 4:35 AM
15 hrs?? Premier Campbell must be VERY, VERY optimistic. A flight from Van to HK is already around 13.5hrs if it's a headwind flight, and it's around 1hr flight from HK to Taiwan.

HKG-YVR 10287 km
AKL-YVR 11335 km
DEL-YVR 11160 km

I'll say that's about right

twoNeurons
Dec 5, 2007, 4:46 PM
Wow, an airline owned by a beer company. That's awesome. Maybe Molson should buy Air Canada ...

They should've bought Canadian Airlines...
"Molson Canadian Airlines"

giallo
Dec 5, 2007, 5:48 PM
^The beer selection on the plane would be predictable though.

twoNeurons
Dec 5, 2007, 7:01 PM
^ A beer tap at every 1st class seat... and pay as you drink credit card readers for coach! Make it so!

mr.x
Dec 8, 2007, 9:19 AM
Vancouver Airport Authority spending $1.3 million in wake of Polish man's death

Camille Bains, THE CANADIAN PRESS
Friday, December 7, 2007

RICHMOND, B.C. - The head of the Vancouver Airport Authority says that while the facility processes millions of passengers every year, it's lost some of the human touch that could have helped Polish immigrant Robert Dziekanski after he arrived in the country he wanted to call home.

On Friday, Chief executive Larry Berg and airport authority officials announced several improvements they've made, mostly to the communications system that failed Dziekanski and his mother, who desperately searched for her son but was told he wasn't there.

Dziekanski died Oct. 14 after being shocked twice by an RCMP Taser but an autopsy did not reveal an obvious cause of death.

Berg told a news conference the authority will spend $1.3 million from this year's operating budget on improvements designed to make it easier for passengers coming through the international arrivals terminal to connect with those who are meeting them.

More than 17 million passengers, including four million from international destinations, come through the airport annually, Berg said.

But until now there have been no airport staff in the area controlled by the Canada Border Services Agency to help people such as Dziekanski.

"I think that we've lost a little bit of the human touch, the ability to reach out to people, individuals who may have different, unique circumstances, such as this individual did," said Berg.

The airport authority had no staff in the customs area to interact with Dziekanski, who wandered around for hours before becoming so agitated that he started tossing furniture.

A new customer-information counter has already opened in the customs hall and will provide a translation line, along with messaging services to the public greeting area and an electronic display advising those waiting that a passenger has arrived, Berg said.

A timeline provided by the authority of Dziekanski's movements at the airport shows he stepped off a connecting flight from Frankfurt at 3:20 p.m. on Oct. 13 and was shot by a police Taser early the next morning and died at 2:20 a.m.

That was after airport security and RCMP were called just before 1 a.m. with reports of someone "making trouble" and "throwing chairs" in the international arrivals area, airport operations vice-president Paul Levy said.

The airport operations centre dispatched security guards and called the RCMP.

An airport response co-ordinator and a shift supervisor also arrived at the scene, Levy said.

"The airport response co-ordinator recalls hearing the RCMP asking the passenger to calm down," he said. "He then observed the passenger back up towards the counter inside the passenger services area, reach into his jacket and pull out an object."

The two airport supervisors speculated the black object might be a knife, Levy said.

But seconds later, as Dziekanski received the first of two high-voltage Taser shocks and fell to the ground, the object that flew from his hand turned out to be a stapler, Levy said.

The timeline states that a customer service agent for the airport authority saw Dziekanski going down an escalator into the customs hall after everyone else on his flight had cleared a customs booth.

According to the timeline, Dziekanski stood face to face with the agent, who saw the man had "large beads of sweat pouring from the side of his face and temples" less than an hour after he arrived at the airport.

However, the agent did not call for help despite Dziekanski's unusual condition.

Levy would only say that training is being improved for all front-line staff and someone will be put in charge of the area.

Improvements at the airport will include five public safety officers trained in conflict resolution to intervene in a situation such as Dziekanski's, whose exchange with the RCMP was recorded on video by another traveller.

The video, which has sparked international outrage, shows Dziekanski was zapped with a Taser within seconds of police arriving on the scene, and he fell to the floor writhing in pain.

That was soon after his mother, Zofia Cisowski, and her Canadian husband left the airport after being told there wasn't any record of Dziekanski in the immigration area.

Airport improvements include better communication between the secure area controlled by the Canada Border Services Agency and the public area, enhanced translation services and 24-hour customer information service.

A so-called greeter board, a flat screen listing new arrivals' names, the city they've come from and the time their flight landed, began operating Friday, with more on the way.

The board's listings rotate in six languages - English, French, Korean, Japanese, Punjabi and Chinese.

Passengers who want their to names appear on the board must provide their information to airport authority staff.

Kevin Molloy, chief information officer at the airport authority, said that in the future international passengers may be able to stand before a video camera and have their image projected on to a screen in the public area.

Privacy concerns prevent the authority from getting a list of passengers' names from various airlines, although such information is provided to the Canada Border Services Agency, Molloy said.

The authority is exploring ways in which passengers could consent to provide their information to the airport authority when they book their trip for the benefit of family and friends at their final destination, he said.

"Privacy concerns have held the industry back from fully exploring that and I think now with the momentum we have with this incident we will continue to push that on a global basis," Molloy said.

The airport authority believes it's making industry-leading improvements.

"Of the changes that we see here today I'm unaware of them existing anywhere else in the world," said Molloy.

"Nowhere in the world do airport authorities have a presence within the customs area and now we've got an agreement with the Canada Border Services Agency to do that."

Berg said he's spoken to officials at the world's airport associations about the changes and CEOs of airports in other large Canadians cities, including Toronto, Montreal and Calgary.

Another changes involves setting up round-the-clock medical response in the terminal after concerns were raised it took too long to get emergency care for Dziekanski.

Several investigations have been launched into Dziekanski's death, including a full public inquiry by the B.C. government.

© The Canadian Press, 2007




sounds like some pretty darn good customer service.

Canadian Mind
Dec 8, 2007, 1:05 PM
It was a horrible tragedy, but I'm glad something good is coming from it. I like alot of the innovations they've come up with in the short two months it has been since Dziekanski's death. Hope the system works out well.

Only flaw I could possibly see with this is that passengers arriving from abroad wouldn't know to put their names up on the board; assuming they do, how? I wonder how they are going to convey the message to future passengers.

any idea how long until the system is in place?

SpongeG
Dec 8, 2007, 11:54 PM
Another changes involves setting up round-the-clock medical response in the terminal after concerns were raised it took too long to get emergency care for Dziekanski.

i can't velieve they never had that in place already

Hot Rod
Dec 10, 2007, 4:04 AM
Im sure the airport (and/or airline) officials will announce to arriving pax about the board.

excel
Dec 10, 2007, 6:13 AM
The 2008 schedule is out. Air Canada B777 out of YVR are(all daily):

YVR-HKG (Hong Kong)
B777 service to start March 30

YVR-NRT (Tokyo)
B777 to start Nov 2. A333 from Apr 1 on

YVR-SYD (Sydney)
B777 non-stop from Dec 14 as originally scheduled.

YVR-HNL will lose AC033 (YVR-HNL-SYD)

raggedy13
Dec 10, 2007, 9:20 AM
I wonder if the Kingfisher situation could be comparable to Virgin. I don't think they have a beer but of course they have soft drinks (among a whole lot of other things) and an airline.

And speaking of Virgin and airplanes, I was watching the DVD of Casino Royale the other day and noticed for a brief second you can see Richard Branson at the metal detector at the Miami airport in one scene. It's really random. Completely off topic but anybody know what the deal with that is?

raggedy13
Dec 10, 2007, 10:31 AM
Just stumbled across this interesting article from the Journal of Commerce...

Dec. 10, 2007

Vancouver airport will see more than $250 million worth of construction work each year - Construction expected to be halted only for 2010 Olympics

http://www.journalofcommerce.com/images/archivesid/25613/300.jpg
About $1.2 billion will be spent on construction projects at YVR prior to the Olympics. Another $2.8 billion is expected to be spent by 2025.

BRIAN MARTIN
CORRESPONDENT

There are people in the construction industry who call it the “never-ending project”. Some of them weren’t even born in 1968 when it all began.

For sure, all will likely be long gone before it is finished.

It is YVR – Vancouver International Airport. The domestic terminal at the existing airport opened nearly 40 years ago as the only terminal. Prior to that, activity centred around what is now known as the South Airport.

Today that area is limited to private flights and local charters. Since first opening, however, YVR has seldom if ever not been under construction.

John Lenahan, P Eng, is the manager of transportation and planning for the airport. On Nov. 28, he met with the Vancouver Regional Construction Association to bring them up to date on construction so far and outline the future.

Current construction projects at the airport will amount to $4 billion by the time 2025 comes around.

About $1.2 billion of that will be spent prior to the 2010 Winter Olympics. It’s not hard to see why expansion is required. In 1990 the airport handled 10 million passengers. By 2020 it is expected it will handle 25 million.

YVR is among the busiest airports in North America and right near the top when it comes to Asian markets. Major projects either underway or being planned include $420 million worth of upgrades to the International Terminal. Close to half of that has already been completed with the recent additions to the West Chevron (west wing).

That project scooped up two Gold Awards of Excellence for Keith Plumbing and Heating and one Gold Award for general contractor, PCL Constructors Westcoast Ltd in the recent VRCA Awards of Excellence competition.

The expansion now allows YVR to handle the new A380 double-decker aircraft recently launched by Airbus Industries.

Lenahan pointed out that although the giant airplane, which can carry close to 900 economy class passengers is not yet slated to serve Vancouver, YVR expects it won’t be long before it shows up. A further $100 million expansion to the West Chevron is planned for 2011-2013.

Between the domestic terminal and the international terminal is the Link Building which connects the two.

It is a $100 million project that is expected to be completed within days.

A second Link Building on the airside of the terminal will be built and finished in 2009. In addition to the International Terminal some $352 million is being spent on a series of smaller projects as well as $150 million worth of upgrades to the Domestic Terminal. YVR is also contributing $300 million towards the extension of the new rapid transit line, currently under construction, connecting the airport in Richmond to Vancouver.

Initially there will be one station at the airport but provisions have been made for a second station to serve a new terminal in years to come.

The transit line should be completed by November of 2009. Airfield improvements, including items such as aprons and taxiways will add another $65 million, roadways and parking will come to $55 million and $60 million is being spent on upgraded baggage handling systems. The only time in the foreseeable future that there will not be construction underway at YVR, said Lenahan, is just before, during and after the 2010 Olympics.

“We don’t want the airport under construction during that time,” he said.

Other than during that period, somewhere between $250 million and $350 million worth of work will be completed annually at YVR.

phesto
Dec 10, 2007, 5:45 PM
^Glad to see YVR is being slightly more realistic with their passenger estimates. Two years ago they were forecasting to hit 25 million in 2015, which was ridiculous given current growth. I'd say 2020 is still being pretty optimistic...I'd guess they'll hit that milestone around 2022.

To put things in perspective, YVR was expecting to hit 17.5 million passengers in 2007; as of Nov.1 they are on pace to hit about 17.3 million (2.9% growth YTD).

djh
Dec 10, 2007, 8:13 PM
I wonder if the Kingfisher situation could be comparable to Virgin. I don't think they have a beer but of course they have soft drinks (among a whole lot of other things) and an airline.

And speaking of Virgin and airplanes, I was watching the DVD of Casino Royale the other day and noticed for a brief second you can see Richard Branson at the metal detector at the Miami airport in one scene. It's really random. Completely off topic but anybody know what the deal with that is?

I think he's been on record saying he's always wanted to be in a Bond film. Also, I think Virgin was a 'sponsor' of the film (they use Virgin planes in the film, and I bet they flew the cast & crew to locations and stayed in Branson's properties in exotic locales, stuff like that). But he appears in a couple of other films too - the ego has landed - http://imdb.com/name/nm0105232/