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Johnny Aussie
Feb 27, 2015, 12:24 AM
Were you being sarcastic?

Mais oui!!

Johnny Aussie
Feb 27, 2015, 12:27 AM
That's good news.

Are the AC equipment changes from 767 - 787 a decrease in overall capacity like JAL's was?

No, the opposite.

AC's 763s seat 211 pax and the 788s seat 251 pax.

That's close to a 20% increase in capacity per flight.

excel
Feb 27, 2015, 7:52 AM
Awesome! So overall that's quite the capacity increase to Seoul between AC and KE this year.

Hourglass
Feb 27, 2015, 2:00 PM
YVR Jan stats are out, and the growth continues, albeit at a slower rate. Highlights:

Overall growth compared to Jan '14 of 3.7%
- Domestic flat at 0.5%
- Total international up by 7%, including growth in Transborder (up a whopping 14.7%) and Europe (up 14.1%). Asia was down by 5.5%.

Cargo also continued its growth, up 12.6%

Really strong Europe and Transborder growth figures. Will be interesting to see if it continues.

zahav
Mar 1, 2015, 6:13 AM
United has updated their summer scheds again (they love their updates). I haven't gone through each day, but highlights include:
-Newark has been loaded in, 1 daily A319
-All 4 daily Chicago flights now operated by A320, rather than mix of A319 and A320
-Houston flights now operated by 2 daily 737-800 and 1 737-900 (this will be the 2nd 737-900 for the summer now, Alaska will use one on their LAX run)
-Denver will see 2 daily A320 and 1 daily CR-700 (used to be 2 A319 and 1 CRJ-700)
-San Francisco sees a big gain, now up to 5 daily. 4 A320s and 1 daily 737-700

Overall each city has a notable capacity increase, they must be seeing fuller loads (its likely, considering last year, and January's huge transborder increases)

trofirhen
Mar 1, 2015, 6:23 AM
YVR Jan stats are out, and the growth continues, albeit at a slower rate. Highlights:

Overall growth compared to Jan '14 of 3.7%
- Domestic flat at 0.5%
- Total international up by 7%, including growth in Transborder (up a whopping 14.7%) and Europe (up 14.1%). Asia was down by 5.5%.

Cargo also continued its growth, up 12.6%

Really strong Europe* and Transborder growth figures. Will be interesting to see if it continues.
* I wanna see what if any effect the arrival of Air France will bring to bear on this. One month, they'll be at YVR.

Valley_Refugee
Mar 2, 2015, 12:45 AM
United has updated their summer scheds again (they love their updates). I haven't gone through each day, but highlights include:
-Newark has been loaded in, 1 daily A319
-All 4 daily Chicago flights now operated by A320, rather than mix of A319 and A320
-Houston flights now operated by 2 daily 737-800 and 1 737-900 (this will be the 2nd 737-900 for the summer now, Alaska will use one on their LAX run)
-Denver will see 2 daily A320 and 1 daily CR-700 (used to be 2 A319 and 1 CRJ-700)
-San Francisco sees a big gain, now up to 5 daily. 4 A320s and 1 daily 737-700

Overall each city has a notable capacity increase, they must be seeing fuller loads (its likely, considering last year, and January's huge transborder increases)

For what anecdotal evidence is worth, I recently flew UA YVR-IAH on my way to MEX and back through SFO and both YVR legs were jam packed.

whatnext
Mar 2, 2015, 1:30 AM
A shot I took of the Macarthur Glen project from the back. Hard to see how they could be ready for a Spring 2015 opening. I'm surprised they finished the rear to such a high degree, as very few people will drive that far down Grauer Road.

http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy177/Whatnext2010/20150301_125158_zpsaggf8emw.jpg (http://s789.photobucket.com/user/Whatnext2010/media/20150301_125158_zpsaggf8emw.jpg.html)

Large Cat
Mar 2, 2015, 4:18 AM
A shot I took of the Macarthur Glen project from the back. Hard to see how they could be ready for a Spring 2015 opening. I'm surprised they finished the rear to such a high degree, as very few people will drive that far down Grauer Road.

http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy177/Whatnext2010/20150301_125158_zpsaggf8emw.jpg (http://s789.photobucket.com/user/Whatnext2010/media/20150301_125158_zpsaggf8emw.jpg.html)

They have to finish all parts of it...people from the air will be watching!:D

Any development that doesn't just put in a facade on a single side is doing well in my books.

SFUVancouver
Mar 2, 2015, 4:48 AM
I'm getting a vaguely 'Back to the Future' vibe from the building with the small clock tower.

http://www.bollardsinmovies.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/clock-tower-back-to-future-front.jpg

casper
Mar 2, 2015, 5:53 AM
They have to finish all parts of it...people from the air will be watching!:D

Any development that doesn't just put in a facade on a single side is doing well in my books.

That architecture just looks out of place. Not a very west-coast look. I would have expected to see that style in Ottawa, Montreal or London Ontario.

Large Cat
Mar 2, 2015, 7:37 AM
That architecture just looks out of place. Not a very west-coast look. I would have expected to see that style in Ottawa, Montreal or London Ontario.

Undoubtedly.

connect2source
Mar 2, 2015, 2:29 PM
It's a rather appalling and awkward 'disneylandish' eyesore and ruins the whole look of the approach to YVR. It should have been done in a modernist style and now were stuck with this hideous blight forever! YUCK!! It bears no reference to our local style of design and makes absolutely no sense!!

whatnext
Mar 2, 2015, 3:56 PM
It's a rather appalling and awkward 'disneylandish' eyesore and ruins the whole look of the approach to YVR. It should have been done in a modernist style and now were stuck with this hideous blight forever! YUCK!! It bears no reference to our local style of design and makes absolutely no sense!!

I wasn't able to get a good shot of the two entry buildings, but Disneylandish was a perfect description for them. It kind of reminds me of a very large Fantasy Gardens.

Vin
Mar 2, 2015, 6:21 PM
A shot I took of the Macarthur Glen project from the back. Hard to see how they could be ready for a Spring 2015 opening. I'm surprised they finished the rear to such a high degree, as very few people will drive that far down Grauer Road.

http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy177/Whatnext2010/20150301_125158_zpsaggf8emw.jpg (http://s789.photobucket.com/user/Whatnext2010/media/20150301_125158_zpsaggf8emw.jpg.html)

Thanks for the photo! Had been waiting to see someone post an update on this for a while.
There looks to be columns for a covered pedestrian walkway at the back of these structures. I guess the areas behind would be utilised as well (possibly park or smoking areas?). Hence the back portion also needs detailing, as found in other outlet malls elsewhere.



That architecture just looks out of place. Not a very west-coast look. I would have expected to see that style in Ottawa, Montreal or London Ontario.

Put in a few Vancouver Specials? :haha:

Agree the architecture isn't very Vancouverish from this angle, although I remember seeing the rendering with the entrance having architecture similar to that of Hotel Vancouver. Styles from Gastown or even avant garde modern would be way nicer. Also would prefer seeing more concrete/steel/glass rather than just wood frame. Using wood frame just makes the colony of buildings look cheap like a cowboy film set. Also, I am thinking there would be quite a lot of extra woodframe sound insulation since this is right at the airport. Frequent vibrations can also be felt with airplanes landing and taking off overhead.

connect2source
Mar 2, 2015, 8:54 PM
Good points!! To me, international airports and the surroundings are all about modernism and timeless design and bold architecture, these styles harmonize with peoples perceptions of travel and the jet age. This clumsy mess contrasts with that ideal in every way, what a blunder, and yes as 'whatnext' pointed out, Richmond now has it's 'fantasy garden' back.

Just look at this incredible building adjacent to Frankfurt Airport, The Squaire containing offices, two hotels and the high-speed long-distance rail station for the ICE Trains.

Photo From : Google Maps Panoramio
Direct Link to Photo : http://www.panoramio.com/photo/51098017

http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag130/Dean_Ellison/51098017_zpshhojaeem.jpg

osirisboy
Mar 2, 2015, 9:20 PM
When it's finished no one will see any of the wood framing. The brick from what I can see looks pretty decent. When it's finished it should look like solid brick/stone buildings. Hopefully. I like this. I'm sick of everything trying to be modern. Glass and concrete? We have enough of that. It's like park royal village. I much prefer the original part versus the newer modern addition

Vin
Mar 2, 2015, 9:40 PM
Good points!! To me, international airports and the surroundings are all about modernism and timeless design and bold architecture, these styles harmonize with peoples perceptions of travel and the jet age. This clumsy mess contrasts with that ideal in every way, what a blunder, and yes as 'whatnext' pointed out, Richmond now has it's 'fantasy garden' back.

Just look at this incredible building adjacent to Frankfurt Airport, The Squaire containing offices, two hotels and the high-speed long-distance rail station for the ICE Trains.

Photo From : Google Maps Panoramio
Direct Link to Photo : http://www.panoramio.com/photo/51098017

http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag130/Dean_Ellison/51098017_zpshhojaeem.jpg

I think this is too space age for the folks here. Nimbys and critics would come up with anything against such a design, such as "This cruise ship building does not represent the culture of rail travel."

But I gotta give it to the Europeans to come up with something bold and modern.

connect2source
Mar 2, 2015, 10:40 PM
Frankfurt Airport is massive and a on scale not similar to YVR so this building ties in well, I was there personally two weeks ago and the materials on Squaire are outstanding and it's far more impressive in person.

The nimbys here should be far more concerned with crap 'faux-heritage' which never looks good, ages horribly and is better suited to an outlet mall 100km outside a city in the middle of a field and not in a highly visible almost urban setting....as opposed to a bold, cutting-edge complex of high design and architectural merit like Squaire.

Here's a photo to better display context, I think it ties in just a little better than MacArthur Glen.

Source : www.fraport.com

http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag130/Dean_Ellison/a-plus-mit-skyline-hintergrund_ohne-bildunterschrif-internett_zpscalvjfpx.jpg

Vin
Mar 2, 2015, 11:30 PM
Note an absence of single family urban sprawl between City centre and the airport, replaced by huge swaths of forested lands.

officedweller
Mar 3, 2015, 12:16 AM
Good points!! To me, international airports and the surroundings are all about modernism and timeless design and bold architecture, these styles harmonize with peoples perceptions of travel and the jet age. This clumsy mess contrasts with that ideal in every way, what a blunder, and yes as 'whatnext' pointed out, Richmond now has it's 'fantasy garden' back.


MacArthur Glen will match this:

http://airwaysnews.com/photos/2012/04/vancouver-terminal-fairmont-hotel-curbside-2012_19471.jpg
http://airwaysnews.com/html/airplanes-and-airports/vancouver-international-airport-terminal-photos-planespotting-and-history-vancouver-bc-canada/vancouver-terminal-fairmont-hotel-curbside-2012/19471

Klazu
Mar 3, 2015, 12:50 AM
Note an absence of single family urban sprawl between City centre and the airport, replaced by huge swaths of forested lands.

I am pretty sure the extensive forest surrounding continental Europe's busiest airport has intentionally been left uninhabited. Who would like to live under FRA landing path? I feel sorry for the people living under LHR landing path.

That office building in Frankfurt would never be allowed where the outlet mall is being constructed. It is way too tall for being directly under the landing path. ;)

sacrifice333
Mar 3, 2015, 1:50 AM
MacArthur Glen will match this:

http://airwaysnews.com/photos/2012/04/vancouver-terminal-fairmont-hotel-curbside-2012_19471.jpg
http://airwaysnews.com/html/airplanes-and-airports/vancouver-international-airport-terminal-photos-planespotting-and-history-vancouver-bc-canada/vancouver-terminal-fairmont-hotel-curbside-2012/19471

Which matches nothing and only serves to provide some distinction from the airport and some relevance to their brand. :koko:

Klazu
Mar 3, 2015, 2:08 AM
Haha, that "castle gate" has never bothered me. It's a fine little quirk. I would hope that the aviation control tower would be totally renewed to look something much more futuristic. The current tower is a total yuck. :yuck:

red-paladin
Mar 3, 2015, 2:49 AM
The 'chibi' fairmont is cute!!

connect2source
Mar 3, 2015, 2:49 AM
MacArthur Glen will match this:

http://airwaysnews.com/photos/2012/04/vancouver-terminal-fairmont-hotel-curbside-2012_19471.jpg
http://airwaysnews.com/html/airplanes-and-airports/vancouver-international-airport-terminal-photos-planespotting-and-history-vancouver-bc-canada/vancouver-terminal-fairmont-hotel-curbside-2012/19471

I remember that entrance was conceived when CP Hotels was still in charge and it was meant to pay homage to the famous railway hotels across Canada. Today it doesn't accurately represent Fairmont's current global portfolio and hence makes little sense.

officedweller
Mar 3, 2015, 3:36 AM
I remember that entrance was conceived when CP Hotels was still in charge and it was meant to pay homage to the famous railway hotels across Canada. Today it doesn't accurately represent Fairmont's current global portfolio and hence makes little sense.

Similar line to what MacArthur Glen says is their inspiration:


Design / Architectural style

The inspiration for McArthurGlen Designer Outlet Vancouver Airport is drawn from the regional architectural styles of Western Canada, combined with the sophisticated European style for which McArthurGlen is so renowned.

Design elements are inspired by iconic Vancouver architecture: the city's first post-office building, built in 1937 (now part of the Sinclair Centre complex), the Vancouver Rowing Club (1911), and the distinctive brick facades associated with the city's historic and vibrant Gastown district.

http://www.mcarthurglen.com/en/designer-outlet-vancouver/en/our-new-outlet/#Top

Infrequent Poster
Mar 3, 2015, 4:34 AM
Which matches nothing and only serves to provide some distinction from the airport and some relevance to their brand. :koko:

Am I the only one that thinks that the fake castle thing is pretty absurd looking? Looks like it belongs in a Zelda game or something.

Large Cat
Mar 3, 2015, 5:06 AM
This conversation is making me think we should build Skytrain stations (and/or the interior of all underground guideways) out of carved stone, medieval-style, with torches on the walls, like Bowser's Castle or something from Quake. Screw daylight! :D It should feel like entering a dungeon.

casper
Mar 3, 2015, 5:43 AM
Am I the only one that thinks that the fake castle thing is pretty absurd looking? Looks like it belongs in a Zelda game or something.

I agree it is absurd looking. But it does not come across as being fake. Ihe architect obviously incorporated it into the design as a token element of a very modern looking building.

That mall is just an attempt to be something it is not. Disneyland or Las Vegas would be good locations for it. If it were built in Ottawa, or Toronto or the even the UK it was would be bland, dull, uninspired and just blend it. Here on the west coast it just looks out of place.

Perhaps I am being over critical. After all it is a glorified strip mall. Something that normally does not get much money put into how it looks.

Champlain mall is a good west coast looking strip-mall. (If one can call a strip-mall good.)

officedweller
Mar 3, 2015, 5:44 AM
This conversation is making me think we should build Skytrain stations (and/or the interior of all underground guideways) out of carved stone, medieval-style, with torches on the walls, like Bowser's Castle or something from Quake. Screw daylight! :D It should feel like entering a dungeon.

http://mic-ro.com/metro/phototour.html?city=Stockholm

city guy
Mar 3, 2015, 6:00 AM
this outlet complex is an embarrassing piece of kitsch ...with yvr's rhetoric about being a place which expresses our place in nature, what the heck is this christmas-village aesthetic doing as a gateway to our city? I find it sickening

moreover the fake porte cochere to the fairmont falls into the same category

trofirhen
Mar 3, 2015, 6:12 AM
http://mic-ro.com/metro/phototour.html?city=Stockholm

Thanks, OD! The stckholm subway, as I understand, was first built in the 1950s, after the war, then new lines were added.
It was utilitarian in style then, but over the years has reached the fanciful interior design levels it has now.
Things take time. ;)

Designs can be modified over time, few things are ever permanent disasters.

officedweller
Mar 3, 2015, 10:16 AM
So...

Does this whole discussion about the style of the outlet mall validate Brian Jackson's comments about Vancouver architecture?

At the core of Jackson's views is his belief that buildings either have to fit in or stand out. And not in a garish, jarring way. Vancouver, he believes, is a city with sometimes vanilla architecture that reflects a reserved, shy citizenry. Not like Toronto, where he once worked for seven years as the manager of waterfront planning.

“There they hold their head up high, they don’t know who you are, but they walk out and shake your hand and say “Hi, my name’s Bob,” he said.

“Here, everybody looks with their eyes down, watching their step so they don’t trip, but there is not as much engagement. There is not as much feeling confident about who they are as a person.”

That, he says, is exactly the case with Vancouver’s building forms and the criticism launched over the “Icepick” tower.

“I think we are very shy in terms of our architecture. We want so desperately for a building to fit in that sometimes we don’t make those gestures and those architectural expressions that means that the building stands out. And when we do, when we try it, there is a lot of criticism,” he said.

“That is always our struggle in Vancouver. Do you want something that fits in really well, or do you want something that stands out?”

Welcome, then, to Brian Jackson’s Vancouver, where he loves striking buildings, parks and open spaces that use form and fit to make their marks. There are, to be sure, what he calls “background buildings” that make up the streetscape and fill a use. “Sometimes a two-storey building is just a two-storey building.”

But what he loves, and what he tries to imprint on the city, is a sense of purpose and meaning in every signature building or public open space.

“It is that tension between fitting in and standing out that needs to be achieved. I think the kind of buildings I will be showing you today achieve that tension,” he said.

Naturally predisposed to being positive, Jackson’s list of best easily outweighs his list of worst. It is easy to find bad examples of design and architecture, he says, but he wanted to show more those that he thinks adds to that peculiar word, “Vancouverism”.

Surprisingly, his initial list of likes and dislikes did not include some of the city’s landmarks that very well define “Vancouverism”. The art deco Marine Building, the Hotel Vancouver, the repurposed old courthouse, the Dominion building, even City Hall, weren’t on his tour, although he talked about some of them later.

“That’s because they are icons that would be at the top of everybody’s list,” he said. “They’re still my favourites, but I wanted to show you other buildings that I admire.”

The argument that what makes good architecture and what doesn’t is ageless, but often seasoned and changed by time.

“(In) the modernist movement, there were a number of buildings that were built post war that people hated. The Queen Elizabeth Theatre was one. The old library on Burrard, and the B.C. Electric building,” Jackson said. “Those were all modern expressions of architecture that were not embraced, were not accepted, and were roundly criticized for taking a different approach to what people at that time determined what was then ‘Vancouverism’, which was a lot of stone and a lot of brick.”

Vancouverism can also be found in the postwar bungalows of the east side, the boxy Vancouver specials of the 1970s, the monster houses of Kerrisdale of the 1980s, and tall condo towers of the 1990s and 2000s that line the north shore of False Creek.

Jackson points to Vancouver’s art deco period as having a major influence.

“There are a number of prewar buildings that add to our skyline and remind us where we’ve come from. They also remind us of the pride people used to take in their buildings in terms of detail and the expense they went to to build these incredible structures”

Asked if he thinks that pride doesn’t exist anymore, he says today’s builders and architects could take a page from their predecessors. “I think it does exist, but it does compete with corporate bottom line,” he says.
http://www.vancouversun.com/Brian+Jackson+Vancouver/10849244/story.html

I suppose the conclusion is that MacArthur Glen could have gone with the corporate bottom line and built a cookie cutter outlet mall
like the Seattle Premium Outlets (which if you know the chain, looks like any other Premium Outlet Mall with open passages and a fabric or other canopy over a food court area) or like any one of the SmartCentres plazas.

This is new construction on an empty field - so there's nothing to "fit in" with.
And they probably wanted something that would stand out - and not look be mistaken for the Canada Post sorting plant
or another industrial warehouse that's a square box with few West Coast parallam and glass canopies.

casper
Mar 3, 2015, 11:21 AM
So...

Does this whole discussion about the style of the outlet mall validate Brian Jackson's comments about Vancouver architecture?

....

I suppose the conclusion is that MacArthur Glen could have gone with the corporate bottom line and built a cookie cutter outlet mall
like the Seattle Premium Outlets (which if you know the chain, looks like any other Premium Outlet Mall with open passages and a fabric or other canopy over a food court area) or like any one of the SmartCentres plazas.

This is new construction on an empty field - so there's nothing to "fit in" with.
And they probably wanted something that would stand out - and not look be mistaken for the Canada Post sorting plant
or another industrial warehouse that's a square box with few West Coast parallam and glass canopies.

It is better than the average outlet mall and vanilla warehouse space. I will give him that. I also appreciate that the architect is going to be constrained by the pocket book of the property owner.

The weird castle entrance on the hotel at the airport terminal stands out because it is a unique design.

The outlet mall stands out because it is a cookie cutter outlet mall in Eastern Canada or the UK. Perhaps it will look better when it is finished. If was a fusion of west coast design and the brick from then it might have went over better. Perhaps once it has trees and is finished it will look better.

As a side note I find the area around most North American airport kind of bland and usually consisting of rows of cookie cutter 4 story mid priced business hotel. In are case the Delta that is on the same island as the airport has a fairly unique design. The idea of putting an outlet mall there is also different.

officedweller
Mar 4, 2015, 12:10 AM
The main entrance to the outlet mall is supposed to resemble the "chateau" hotel style.
Quality of the materials will determine whether it works or not - but it's also supposed to have lots of trees.

Canadian74
Mar 6, 2015, 1:13 AM
MacArthur Glen will match this:

http://airwaysnews.com/photos/2012/04/vancouver-terminal-fairmont-hotel-curbside-2012_19471.jpg
http://airwaysnews.com/html/airplanes-and-airports/vancouver-international-airport-terminal-photos-planespotting-and-history-vancouver-bc-canada/vancouver-terminal-fairmont-hotel-curbside-2012/19471

Wow this looks horrible :yuck:

phesto
Mar 6, 2015, 1:45 AM
Officedweller - couldn't agree more. The design of the outlet mall was obviously meant to stand out as a destination, even at the risk of being considered 'kitsch'. If people were expecting some kind of subdued westcoast inspired centre that you can't tell what it is, that possibility was never even on the table.

At the end of the day, I don't think it will look that bad with trees in place etc.

VancouverOfTheFuture
Mar 6, 2015, 1:45 AM
i kind of like the original 1968 tower myself. i wish they had kept it and used it for something, anything.

http://www.pacificblasting.com/demolition/images/projects/demolition/structural/Photo1.jpgimage from pacific blasting

i wish YVR would have something truly unique for its tower since the airport is known to be one of the nicer ones around.

Alpine
Mar 6, 2015, 9:37 PM
Would like some anecdotes from frequent flyers, since I haven't flown out of YVR for a long time.

What flights do most Vancouverites take if they want to get to the Middle East/North Africa, Sub-Saharan Africa, the Indian subcontinent or Southeast Asia?

The only one I know for sure is Indians take the late night CX889 to HKG then continue on to Delhi, and that's because I saw a lot of Indians at the Cathay check in line.

Valley_Refugee
Mar 6, 2015, 10:06 PM
Would like some anecdotes from frequent flyers, since I haven't flown out of YVR for a long time.

What flights do most Vancouverites take if they want to get to the Middle East/North Africa, Sub-Saharan Africa, the Indian subcontinent or Southeast Asia?

The only one I know for sure is Indians take the late night CX889 to HKG then continue on to Delhi, and that's because I saw a lot of Indians at the Cathay check in line.

Speculation on my part, but I would think (if one wanted only one connection):

Middle East/NA: British, Lufthansa. AC also code shares with MEA to Beirut through London.

Sub-Saharan Africa: British

India: Cathay, China Airlines, EVA

SE Asia: Probably most of the major Asian carriers are a decent option...?

trofirhen
Mar 6, 2015, 10:27 PM
Do you think any major South American destinations will come up in the next couple of years, maybe spurred on by the TWOV facility?
Lima? São Paulo?

Hourglass
Mar 6, 2015, 10:34 PM
Speculation on my part, but I would think (if one wanted only one connection):

Middle East/NA: British, Lufthansa. AC also code shares with MEA to Beirut through London.

Sub-Saharan Africa: British

India: Cathay, China Airlines, EVA

SE Asia: Probably most of the major Asian carriers are a decent option...?

Yep would agree with this list. Cathay does really well connecting passengers to India, but I believe flying east is also an option, eg via Frankfurt on LH

connect2source
Mar 7, 2015, 12:41 AM
From Lufthansa 493 YVR-FRA Feb 8th - 747-400 Biz Class

Photo By : connect2source
http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag130/Dean_Ellison/IMG_6321_zps69rbhsqs.jpg

Valley_Refugee
Mar 7, 2015, 1:41 AM
Do you think any major South American destinations will come up in the next couple of years, maybe spurred on by the TWOV facility?
Lima? São Paulo?

Well I think we've discussed this ad nauseum, but I think those are not high on the list of likely destinations. Lima would come before Sao Paulo I would think, but even Air Canada has "rouged" Toronto-Lima. I understand from a pilot friend of mine that the route was actually fairly thin (think: mostly Machu Picchu-bound backpackers). Perhaps one of the South American carriers could make a go of it, but the only *A carrier in SA now is Avianca. AC doesn't even do dailies into Bogota from Pearson and Avianca only serves Toronto from San Salvador. I'm not sure LAN could make a go of this route with limited onward connections.

trofirhen
Mar 8, 2015, 1:58 AM
In China, Chongquing (Chunking) seems an up-and-compang destination, with flights to San Francisco and Rome.
I wonder if & when YVR will get that link.

The_Animal
Mar 11, 2015, 11:21 PM
Hmmm, still wondering if YVR will ever get that A380 route anytime soon. :koko: Hopefully the 747s can use those gates too. :P

sacrifice333
Mar 12, 2015, 4:01 AM
Hmmm, still wondering if YVR will ever get that A380 route anytime soon. :koko: Hopefully the 747s can use those gates too. :P

Maybe if BA retires their 747 fleet in favour of A380s (except they're going with 777-300s!), but other than that what route would it make sense on?! YVR seems like more of a 787 airport than one for the behemoths.

zahav
Mar 12, 2015, 5:14 AM
No shocks here, but YVR just named best airport in North America again

http://www.yvr.ca/en/flight-information/latest-information/15-03-11/YVR_is_the_First_Airport_in_World_to_be_Named_Best_Airport_Six_Consecutive_Years.aspx

The_Animal
Mar 12, 2015, 5:18 AM
Maybe if BA retires their 747 fleet in favour of A380s (except they're going with 777-300s!), but other than that what route would it make sense on?! YVR seems like more of a 787 airport than one for the behemoths.

Guess I'm gonna have to schedule a trip to Pearson in Toronto to photograph A380s. Cause I'll be damned if I set foot in that hell south of the 49th. *cough*FATCA*cough*.

SFUVancouver
Mar 12, 2015, 6:18 AM
I don't think that it is likely we will see an A380 call on Vancouver with any scheduled frequency. Perhaps some seasonal A380s might be seen, such as the Qantas YVR-SYD route which operates a B744 when it operates for part of the year, or perhaps some of the Chinese carriers may find that demand warrants an A380 during the Lunar New Year peak travel season. But that's about it off of the top of my head. The A330 and B777 are just too good to bother with anything larger for Vancouver's long-haul wide-bodied routes. Most carriers with 744 equipment would today probably spring for 777, or the 777X that's in the pipeline, and the A330, or the A330neo that's in the pipeline and A350-900 & A350-1000 models.

red-paladin
Mar 12, 2015, 9:57 AM
Fairmont Vancouver Airport was voted best airport hotel in North America.
http://metronews.ca/news/vancouver/1309948/vancouvers-airport-voted-no-1-in-north-america-six-years-in-a-row/

connect2source
Mar 12, 2015, 8:26 PM
Most carriers with 744 equipment would today probably spring for 777, or the 777X that's in the pipeline, and the A330, or the A330neo that's in the pipeline.

The bulk of Cathay's new fleet will be A350-900's and A350-1000's, 48 in all, replacing 747-400's and early 777-300's and 777-200's so we're likely to see lots of A350's in the not-to-distant future!

zahav
Mar 13, 2015, 2:23 AM
Although technically not an additional flight (since this would be operating to Shanghai anyways), but China Eastern is converting one of their daily flight into a 1-stop to Kunming, carrying on from Shanghai:

China Eastern Adds 1-Stop Kunming – Vancouver Flights from late-June 2015
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China Eastern from 26JUN15 is modifying operations on Shanghai Pu Dong – Vancouver route, as 3 of 14 weekly service sees service originates and terminates in Kunming, the host city of Routes Asia 2015. Planned Kunming – Shanghai Pu Dong – Vancouver 3 weekly schedule as follow.

MU597 KMG1840 – 2140PVG2350 – 1910YVR 332 257
MU598 YVR0130 – 0500+1PVG0800+1 – 1110+1KMG 332 136

Read more from 2015, China Eastern, [Skyteam]

http://airlineroute.net/2015/03/12/mu-kmgyvr-jun15/

SFUVancouver
Mar 13, 2015, 2:32 AM
The bulk of Cathay's new fleet will be A350-900's and A350-1000's, 48 in all, replacing 747-400's and early 777-300's and 777-200's so we're likely to see lots of A350's in the not-to-distant future!

Thanks. Had a brain fart about the A350 when I wrote that and forgot that it was less a 787-killer than an 777-killer.

urbancanadian
Mar 13, 2015, 3:44 AM
Although technically not an additional flight (since this would be operating to Shanghai anyways), but China Eastern is converting one of their daily flight into a 1-stop to Kunming, carrying on from Shanghai:

China Eastern Adds 1-Stop Kunming – Vancouver Flights from late-June 2015
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Update at 0800GMT 12MAR15

China Eastern from 26JUN15 is modifying operations on Shanghai Pu Dong – Vancouver route, as 3 of 14 weekly service sees service originates and terminates in Kunming, the host city of Routes Asia 2015. Planned Kunming – Shanghai Pu Dong – Vancouver 3 weekly schedule as follow.

MU597 KMG1840 – 2140PVG2350 – 1910YVR 332 257
MU598 YVR0130 – 0500+1PVG0800+1 – 1110+1KMG 332 136

Read more from 2015, China Eastern, [Skyteam]

http://airlineroute.net/2015/03/12/mu-kmgyvr-jun15/

Cool, thanks! Does this mean it's permanent? Or is it a short-term thing in conjunction with the Routes Asia convention?

Hot Rod
Mar 13, 2015, 10:48 PM
another feather in the hat for Vancouver's scheduled non-stop/direct routes, particularly to China in this case.

China Routes
Vancouver-Beijing
Vancouver-Shanghai
Vancouver-Shanghai-Kunming
Vancouver-Guangzhou
Vancouver-Shenyang-Chengdu

now I'm just waiting on:

Vancouver-Nanjing-Chongqing
Vancouver-Harbin-Xiamen
Vancouver-Tianjin-Xian

which would give Vancouver direct access to all of China's top business and tourism cities and top 10 airports.

then perhaps

Vancouver-Qingdao-Urumqi

and maybe

Vancouver-Guangzhou-Sanya/Haikou

somehow

Vancouver-Huangzhou-Wuhan/Changsha/Nanning

oh the possibilities. But let's get Vancouver-Chongqing next!!!

Hot Rod
Mar 13, 2015, 10:50 PM
who could forget the longest established, most frequent, and highest capacity route from Vancouver to China (likely anywhere international):

Vancouver-Hong Kong. hehe

phesto
Mar 13, 2015, 11:36 PM
YVR's low-cost carrier runs into trouble before takeoff
http://www.bcbusiness.ca/manufacturing-transport/yvrs-low-cost-carrier-runs-into-trouble-before-takeoff

Johnny Aussie
Mar 14, 2015, 3:25 AM
Effective 12 December EVA increases YVR-TPE to 5 weekly from 4 weekly. All flights to remain 744s for now.

New flights being added on Sundays.

From airlineroute in twitter:

“@airlineroute: EVA Air adds 5th weekly Taipei - Vancouver service from 12DEC15, 5th weekly Toronto flight to be added from 13DEC15 #RoutesAsia”

BR010 TPE2355 - 1820YVR 744 x24
BR011 YVR0055 - 0535TPE+1 744 x35

Hourglass
Mar 14, 2015, 7:26 AM
Effective 12 December EVA increases YVR-TPE to 5 weekly from 4 weekly. All flights to remain 744s for now.

New flights being added on Sundays.

From airlineroute in twitter:

“@airlineroute: EVA Air adds 5th weekly Taipei - Vancouver service from 12DEC15, 5th weekly Toronto flight to be added from 13DEC15 #RoutesAsia”

BR010 TPE2355 - 1820YVR 744 x24
BR011 YVR0055 - 0535TPE 744 x35

Awesome news. Are they bumping up against the limits set by the existing bilateral or is there room for further growth?

Johnny Aussie
Mar 14, 2015, 7:54 AM
Awesome news. Are they bumping up against the limits set by the existing bilateral or is there room for further growth?

It went from 13 to 17 in early 2014 then increases to 21 in November 2015.

As of December 2015:
CI 7 to YVR
BR 5 to YVR and 5 to YYZ.

So there are still 4 frequencies available after Nov 2015 for Taiwanese carriers.

So who gets them and where do they go? Perhaps BR goes daily to both YVR and YYZ or does CI launch its own flights to YYZ (probably more likely) or increase YVR (unlikely). I could see BR eventually go daily on YVR with 77Ws as the 744s get retired.

Johnny Aussie
Mar 14, 2015, 8:04 AM
March 15th is the start of Philippine Airlines nonstop flights from YVR-JFK on 343s.

On the same day YVR-MNL bumps up to 11 flights per week. 7 per week on 77Ws (4 originate in YYZ; 3 originate in YVR) and 4 on 343s (originating in JFK)

st7860
Mar 14, 2015, 2:37 PM
With all the expansion and stuff its looking like another banner year for YVR!!!

trofirhen
Mar 14, 2015, 4:25 PM
March 15th is the start of Philippine Airlines nonstop flights from YVR-JFK on 343s.

On the same day YVR-MNL bumps up to 11 flights per week. 7 per week on 77Ws (4 originate in YYZ; 3 originate in YVR) and 4 on 343s (originating in JFK)
Cool! The more the merrier!:tup:
With all the expansion and stuff its looking like another banner year for YVR!!!
Yup, and don't forget Air France arriving on March 29 :D

Johnny Aussie
Mar 14, 2015, 7:54 PM
This week's UA tweek has them adding YVR-IAD for the summer season again.

However, they have only loaded Saturday services (320) right now.

Maybe that's it, maybe not... After all it's United.

So that puts UA back up to 17 daily (15 of which are mainline) with 18 on Saturdays.

trofirhen
Mar 16, 2015, 11:40 PM
... Kunming .... Yunnan province

http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/247790/china-eastern-to-introduce-kunmings-first-route-to-north-america/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=the-hub-regional-event-daily-2&utm_campaign=the-hub-regional-event-daily-2-EU

Denscity
Mar 17, 2015, 12:03 AM
... Kunming .... Yunnan province

http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/247790/china-eastern-to-introduce-kunmings-first-route-to-north-america/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=the-hub-regional-event-daily-2&utm_campaign=the-hub-regional-event-daily-2-EU

Wow Kunming has 7.2 million people! Yet another Chinese city flight from Vancouver. YVR definitely is the North American king of Asian flights! :tup::tup:

trofirhen
Mar 17, 2015, 12:28 AM
Wow Kunming has 7.2 million people! Yet another Chinese city flight from Vancouver. YVR definitely is the North American king of Asian flights! :tup::tup:
Yeah! And imagine what might develop when that TWOV centre opens. It may start slow, but I think it'll pick up in time.

Johnny Aussie
Mar 17, 2015, 9:23 AM
For the peak winter scheds from 21 December - 31 January

Seemed like this was inevitable.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/03/17/nz-yvr-dec15/

Flights still showing as 777-200ER. This route is earmarked for the 787-900 so will see what else develops.

NZ024 AKL2000 - 1215YVR 777 D
NZ023 YVR1830 - 1730+2 AKL 777 D

Note: new flight numbers too... Currently NZ083/NZ084

Lots of capacity between YVR and the South Pacific next winter with Air NZ, Qantas and Air Canada plying the skies down under.

Enjoyed all of our flights on NZ just this last Xmas... Would have booked again for this upcoming Xmas trip but we booked Air China already... new MEL-PEK nonstops makes the trip worthwhile with stopovers each way :)

trofirhen
Mar 17, 2015, 1:52 PM
Wow Kunming has 7.2 million people! Yet another Chinese city flight from Vancouver. YVR definitely is the North American king of Asian flights! :tup::tup:
There's still Chongquing (Chunking) to come. It is already connected to San Fran, and is coming to Rome. Seems logical that YVR would get that one, too. Hope so.

Johnny Aussie
Mar 18, 2015, 11:45 PM
I didn't get too excited about this announcent as it's not a service increase. This would be more exciting if the route was via Hangzhou as rumoured from "that list" published a few weeks ago.

Having a flight originate in another domestic city could be seen as a bit arbitrary.

http://www.biv.com/article/2015/3/vancouver-be-first-north-american-city-direct-flig/

In this article it mentions the connecting time in PVG right now is about three hours but adding the tag will cut this in half. If you look at the schedule the transit time to YVR is 2:15 and on the return is 3:00 anyway. Don't see how that is cut in half.

In the routesonline article the YVR spokesperson harps on about how "the economic impact of these new flights is huge." Sorry I don't think so. These are not new flights. Whether the passengers on these flights originate in PVG, KMG or somewhere else makes no difference. I suppose it might look good listing KMG as a destination from YVR on Wikipedia though. :P

LeftCoaster
Mar 19, 2015, 12:27 AM
I personally did not get too excited for what was clearly not a service increase, but could this not be seen as a bellweather to test the apatite for a Direct to Kunming? I wonder why else they would make a big song a dance out of what is clearly just a slight reconfig of a domestic Chinese route.

Johnny Aussie
Mar 19, 2015, 12:30 AM
I personally did not get too excited for what was clearly not a service increase, but could this not be seen as a bellweather to test the apatite for a Direct to Kunming? I wonder why else they would make a big song a dance out of what is clearly just a slight reconfig of a domestic Chinese route.

Same reason there was a huge song and dance about Air Canada's "direct flights " from YVR to CDG (via YUL) a couple of years ago... Yawn!

I think this is bigger for KMG than YVR to be honest.

SpongeG
Mar 21, 2015, 7:13 PM
Delayed at Vancouver’s airport? Blame the ‘impressive fire ant’ and don’t expect things to get much better

Kelly Sinoski, Postmedia News | March 19, 2015 | Last Updated: Mar 20 7:37 AM ET

VANCOUVER — The invasive fire ant continues to spread in the Lower Mainland, wreaking havoc on Vancouver airport runways and forcing CP Rail to burn the soil on the Arbutus corridor in attempts to eradicate them.

Last summer, several planes hit birds feeding on the fire ants at YVR, forcing a series of short runway closures.

And the pest problem is no longer confined to the common European fire ant.

It has branched out to include a lesser-known species dubbed the “impressive fire ant,” according to Thompson Rivers University entomologist Rob Higgins.


“We’re talking of two different types of fire ants,” said Higgins, noting both fire ants appear to be on the move. “We’ve got them in virtually every municipality.”

....

Airport officials were worried about a spate of collisions between small birds, mostly barn sparrows, and planes on the runway during July and August, which forced them to close the runway for five to eight minutes each time to clear away the mess.

“They wanted to know what they’d been eating,” Higgins said. “I looked at their gut contents and they were full of impressive fire ants. They’d been eating a lot of them, especially the winged queens.”

Higgins said it appears the impressive fire ants, who nested in the grasslands around the airport, were attracted to the end of the runway for their mating flights. The swarm of ants then attracted the birds, most of them barn swallows. In one month last summer, he said, there were 50 collisions between birds and planes. One day, there were five runway closures.

David Bradbeer, a runway wildlife specialist at YVR, confirmed the situation. “It is a service inconvenience, but we do close the runway to remove the carcass because we don’t want another bird to be attracted and get hit.”

...

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/03/19/impressive-fire-ants-vancouver/

Johnny Aussie
Mar 21, 2015, 11:10 PM
^

The entomologist in me thinks that is very impressive.

I didn't realise fire ants were that widespread in BC... I've been away too long I suppose.

Edit: a bit of quick research and voila... First noticed in BC in 2010.

https://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hra/invasive-species/fire_ants.htm

Wonder what attracts them to the ends of the runways... Perhaps they like to do a bit of plane spotting too.

The insect world is truly fascinating!

Johnny Aussie
Mar 24, 2015, 9:58 AM
According to OAG and Amadeus there are no Sichuan flights ex YVR after 30 October.

Are these flights just not loaded yet... or... could this mean...? Nooooo!

Edit: just realised in the past that they sometimes hadn't loaded their winter scheds until "later" but other int'l services such as MEL and SYD are showing flights in November onwards.... So... Hmmmm

Hourglass
Mar 24, 2015, 5:06 PM
According to OAG and Amadeus there are no Sichuan flights ex YVR after 30 October.

Are these flights just not loaded yet... or... could this mean...? Nooooo!

Edit: just realised in the past that they sometimes hadn't loaded their winter scheds until "later" but other int'l services such as MEL and SYD are showing flights in November onwards.... So... Hmmmm

Didn't Sichuan Airlines originally fly 3x/week before reducing it to the current 2x/week? Would be interesting to see what the load factors are on these flights, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised if this route were indeed cancelled.

On another note, it seems that Emirates is upping their Seattle flights to twice daily starting in July.

Johnny Aussie
Mar 24, 2015, 6:28 PM
Didn't Sichuan Airlines originally fly 3x/week before reducing it to the current 2x/week?

It goes 2 weekly in the winter 3 weekly in the summer. Same with MEL-CTU it fluctuates seasonally from 2-3 per week.

Even the new CTU-SVO route launching in May isn't showing any flights in the autumn or winter. Perhaps these routes are going seasonal.
Who knows... Time will tell!

rxp
Mar 26, 2015, 5:07 PM
Hainan Air will start service this year to Tel Aviv and San Jose from Beijing, and to Boston and Seattle from Shanghai. It also will start Chongqing-Rome flights from late April. The carrier will increase the frequency of its Beijing-Boston flights.
Bloomberg news (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-25/boeing-nears-7-7-billion-sale-of-787-jets-to-hainan-airlines)

Dont think they fly into Vancouver? why not? possible addition in future?

Hourglass
Mar 26, 2015, 6:57 PM
Bloomberg news (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-25/boeing-nears-7-7-billion-sale-of-787-jets-to-hainan-airlines)

Dont think they fly into Vancouver? why not? possible addition in future?

As I understand it, China generally follows a 'one airline one route' policy. For YVR, Beijing is covered by Air China, China Eastern serves Shanghai, and China Southern serves Guangzhou. I think YVR is unlikely to see Hainan Airlines unless this changes -- or unless they want to open up secondary cities.

Johnny Aussie
Mar 26, 2015, 8:52 PM
As I understand it, China generally follows a 'one airline one route' policy. For YVR, Beijing is covered by Air China, China Eastern serves Shanghai, and China Southern serves Guangzhou. I think YVR is unlikely to see Hainan Airlines unless this changes -- or unless they want to open up secondary cities.

Correct. For the time being only one Chinese airline may service an international route (outside of Asia at least). Sort of like the way Canada had international routes divied up between AC and CP until that became more relaxed as deals started to be made. However, there are exceptions such as MEL-PVG. The reason CA is allowed to operate MEL-PVG is each flight has to carry on to PEK which it does. MU and CA both serve this route. Sneaky way round it of course but unsure of the exact reason for this being allowed.

Despite what happens with Sichuan, having direct flights into PEK, PVG and CAN on the largest 3 Chinese airlines covers China almost entirely with just one stop. As for further direct routes into secondary cities still lots of potential for YVR. China growth has been slowing but still the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the future.

deasine
Mar 26, 2015, 9:00 PM
Sneaky way round it of course but unsure of the exact reason for this being allowed.

Reason is simple: CA has always been the more favoured airline and have always been granted exceptions. Keep in mind CNAC owns 100% shares of CA, whereas this isn't the case for MU and CZ. Former executives of CA are CNAC executives but I believe there's a recent change in leadership and management by a former MU executive now (or in the future) so some rules may or may not change soon...

trofirhen
Mar 26, 2015, 9:16 PM
In another YVR-related vein, does anybody know of the status of the TWOV project?
It had earlier been stated in business articles that a decision would be made "by April."

LeftCoaster
Mar 26, 2015, 11:24 PM
^Dead. YVR has stated their preference is to route traffic through YYZ and build the South American hub through Toronto instead.

Johnny Aussie
Mar 27, 2015, 12:44 AM
^Dead. YVR has stated their preference is to route traffic through YYZ and build the South American hub through Toronto instead.

Ha ha! Good one... yes it will be nice for this to get resolved once and for all then we hopefully won't need to rehash it every week.

trofirhen
Mar 27, 2015, 1:14 AM
^Dead. YVR has stated their preference is to route traffic through YYZ and build the South American hub through Toronto instead.
Bang! Bang! The horse is dead. :burstbubble:
What I cannot understand is why YVR would prefer it to be YYZ, after all Claude Richmond said (?!?!?!) Seems odd.
Too bad, though. It would really have put YVR on the map ... unless this is a practical joke to shut me up, which I question .........

Klazu
Mar 27, 2015, 2:57 AM
Come on trofirhen. Even I can see that LeftCoaster is just having fun on your expense. ;)

trofirhen
Mar 27, 2015, 9:44 AM
Come on trofirhen. Even I can see that LeftCoaster is just having fun on your expense. ;)

Of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :dunce::crazy2: Boy, did I win the boobie prize this time!!

LeftCoaster
Mar 27, 2015, 11:47 PM
Haha just kidding around. No implications about anyone shutting up, just having a laugh.

trofirhen
Mar 28, 2015, 1:44 AM
^Dead. YVR has stated their preference is to route traffic through YYZ and build the South American hub through Toronto instead.

Ha ha! Good one... yes it will be nice for this to get resolved once and for all then we hopefully won't need to rehash it every week.
All laughter aside, I wrote a note to Johnny about the Asia-South America connection, and he said that "bet your bottom dollar"
Air Canada will lobby Ottawa to block it.
The ONLY reason I can imagine is to get stuff routed through YYZ. Or am I wrong?
If that is NOT the case, why would (will) Air Canada be against, for example the YVR-Lima (on KE) connection to Lima, and maybe even MIA?
Is it just their YYZ fortress hub they want to reinforce? Or do they themselves (AC) want a piece of the action, or what???
Any insights on this? Anybody?

Hourglass
Mar 28, 2015, 10:10 AM
Trofirhen, it's not (only) about Air Canada building up YYZ, but rather about limiting competition and maximizing financial returns. Any business will use whatever means it can to limit competition -- many examples of this in the airline industry. Why would Air Canada want foreign carriers offering fifth freedom flights from Canada? If they DIDN'T lobby against this, AC management wouldn't be doing their jobs IMO.

This is where the regulator comes in: to balance the needs of the local carrier (Air Canada is by far the largest carrier at YVR and a significant employer in Canada) against local economic benefits + consumer needs (providing choice / encouraging competitive prices).

YVR and the local community need to make their case.

trofirhen
Mar 28, 2015, 6:21 PM
Trofirhen, it's not (only) about Air Canada building up YYZ, but rather about limiting competition and maximizing financial returns. Any business will use whatever means it can to limit competition -- many examples of this in the airline industry. Why would Air Canada want foreign carriers offering fifth freedom flights from Canada? If they DIDN'T lobby against this, AC management wouldn't be doing their jobs IMO.

This is where the regulator comes in: to balance the needs of the local carrier (Air Canada is by far the largest carrier at YVR and a significant employer in Canada) against local economic benefits + consumer needs (providing choice / encouraging competitive prices).

YVR and the local community need to make their case.

That you for that feedback. It clarifies and simplifies things a lot.
But when you reasonably justify limiting competion, is there not, if proven out (trial route & number crunching), justification for
YVR - Lima in and of itself? If no, drop the subject. It needs to be an overseas carrier with Fifth Freedoms, as you imply. Without it, the notion is dead.
If yes, and if Air Canada is going to lobby Ottawa not to permit such a route, why isn't Air Canada doing a YVR to Chavez route for connecting passengers? If they're not interested in providing such a route themselves, where's the problem exactly?
___
Sorry folks, for continuing with all these questions, but interesting stuff is happening, not only in Vancouver, and it piques my couriosity.
______
Case in point. Emirates is going from once daily Seatttle - Dubai to twice daily.

What market(s) are they (EK) serving to warrant the increase? It's worth it or they wouldn't be doing it.
OK. Dubai is probably minimally O/D. So what other markets are being served? India? Europe at cheap prices? What?
Imagine ANZ, YVR to AKL double daily. Never!! There would need to be air markets surrounding it of course, (which there aren't except maybe Australia and a few places like Fiji)

OK. what about the markets out of DBX that serve SEA.
Unlike AKL, there are a lot of destinations to be served out of the Gulf, be it QATAR, Etihad, or EK itself, as in this case.
What are these markets, where are they, and how does EK get so many passengers. Discount prices?
...........
Finally, is this an example of the recent alarm in the USA about Gulf carriers eating into US profits? Is Seattle impacted, and if so how? That 2x daily SEA - DBX seems to open a can of worms in terms of questions.

(as is known, QATAR once requested Vancouver and was refused. If it had been given the green light, where and how would it have eaten into YVR traffic?)

Thank you for your time and consideration.

casper
Mar 29, 2015, 2:01 AM
That you for that feedback. It clarifies and simplifies things a lot.
But when you reasonably justify limiting competion, is there not, if proven out (trial route & number crunching), justification for
YVR - Lima in and of itself? If no, drop the subject. It needs to be an overseas carrier with Fifth Freedoms, as you imply. Without it, the notion is dead.
If yes, and if Air Canada is going to lobby Ottawa not to permit such a route, why isn't Air Canada doing a YVR to Chavez route for connecting passengers? If they're not interested in providing such a route themselves, where's the problem exactly?
___
Sorry folks, for continuing with all these questions, but interesting stuff is happening, not only in Vancouver, and it piques my couriosity.
______
Case in point. Emirates is going from once daily Seatttle - Dubai to twice daily.

What market(s) are they (EK) serving to warrant the increase? It's worth it or they wouldn't be doing it.
OK. Dubai is probably minimally O/D. So what other markets are being served? India? Europe at cheap prices? What?
Imagine ANZ, YVR to AKL double daily. Never!! There would need to be air markets surrounding it of course, (which there aren't except maybe Australia and a few places like Fiji)

OK. what about the markets out of DBX that serve SEA.
Unlike AKL, there are a lot of destinations to be served out of the Gulf, be it QATAR, Etihad, or EK itself, as in this case.
What are these markets, where are they, and how does EK get so many passengers. Discount prices?
...........
Finally, is this an example of the recent alarm in the USA about Gulf carriers eating into US profits? Is Seattle impacted, and if so how? That 2x daily SEA - DBX seems to open a can of worms in terms of questions.

(as is known, QATAR once requested Vancouver and was refused. If it had been given the green light, where and how would it have eaten into YVR traffic?)

Thank you for your time and consideration.

I don't know if it is true or not, but there were stores going around that the driver for the second flight was to get more cargo capacity. Apparently there are a lot of Boeing parts manufactures and stored in Seattle. Apparently there is an airline that needs a lot of those parts in Dubai.

JAL many years ago operated Vancouver - Mexico city. They probably still have rights to the route. There are a lot of 5th freedom rights that airlines have and they just do not operate them at all.

Johnny Aussie
Mar 29, 2015, 9:35 AM
Good evening (morning) YVR :)

Your inaugural AF 374 has just lifted off from runway 27L at CDG and is on its way!

Left gate Terminal 2E Gate M24 about 40 minutes late.

ETA about 15 mins behind schedule.

Enjoy!

Johnny Aussie
Mar 29, 2015, 7:08 PM
AF has arrived runway 08L.

Another year-round direct scheduled link to Europe commenced.

All the best with the route :)

... And arrived Gate D65 30 mins late.

http://twitter.com/yvrairport/status/582261339285929984/photo/1

http://twitter.com/yvrairport/status/582258892945526784/photo/1

Johnny Aussie
Mar 29, 2015, 10:01 PM
They are off back to CDG.

Just took off from 08R.... and that's a wrap!

Photo from YVR twitter just after pushback

http://twitter.com/yvrairport/status/582300629269291009/photo/1

The_Animal
Mar 29, 2015, 10:05 PM
They are off back to CDG.

Just took off from 08R.... and that's a wrap!

Is this a daily or is this going to be weekly? :sly:

Wonder if they might consider putting their A380 on the route :D , but doubt it.

Nobody wants to send an A380 our way. :shrug: Been wanting to fix one in my camera sights for a long time. Missed the test flight to YVR, been grumpy since.

trofirhen
Mar 29, 2015, 10:29 PM
Is this a daily or is this going to be weekly? :sly:

Wonder if they might consider putting their A380 on the route :D , but doubt it.

Nobody wants to send an A380 our way. :shrug: Been wanting to fix one in my camera sights for a long time. Missed the test flight to YVR, been grumpy since.
As I understand, AF to CDG will be 3x a week in winter, and 5x a week in summer. If the route goes over well, one could hope it becomes daily.
As for the 380s they need a bigger market. AF flies 380s out of YUL. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Dirt_Devil
Mar 29, 2015, 11:50 PM
As for the 380s they need a bigger market. AF flies 380s out of YUL. Correct me if I'm wrong.

They don't fly their 380's to YUL anymore. Capacity between YUL and CDG is already huge.

Congrats for landing YVR-CDG by the way! :cheers: