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osirisboy
Mar 30, 2015, 3:25 AM
Air canada had flights to Paris and ended them in the 90s? How come?

Johnny Aussie
Mar 30, 2015, 3:45 AM
Air canada had flights to Paris and ended them in the 90s? How come?

My understanding is it was an underperforming route. I believe it was going to be seasonal even then anyway. If AC was to venture back into a direct YVR-CDG, I think this is a prime rouge market. AC would have to rely more on O&D traffic than AF which can also use CDG as a transit point for its vast network there.

Perhaps the market has changed over the last 20 years or so.

I am surprised at the misquotes regarding the new AF route. Even the yvr.ca press release today mentions the route is ending in October. It is definitely going year-round now.

Also, in the Vancouver Sun article they are quoting some travel agent specialising in Europe travel and they mention this route hasn't existed since the 1990s. Well.... Air Transat has operated YVR-CDG seasonally for years now.

Spork
Mar 30, 2015, 5:26 AM
I would think they would go daily KLM AMS before daily AF CDG, no? I have never been to CDG, but isn't AMS better connected from our neck of the woods?

Johnny Aussie
Mar 30, 2015, 7:23 AM
I would think they would go daily KLM AMS before daily AF CDG, no? I have never been to CDG, but isn't AMS better connected from our neck of the woods?

KLM is daily for the summer scheds already. Winter goes down to 5 weekly but I keep hearing rumblings this will go to daily. I actually think AF will go to daily in the summer at least sooner than we think.

In any event the new AF route certainly boosts Skyteam from YVR to Europe.

Even in winter, and if KL sticks to only 5 weekly:

Star Alliance - 24 weekly summer / 14 weekly winter
Skyteam 12 weekly summer / 8 weekly winter
Oneworld 12 weekly summer / 7 weekly winter

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Transborder mini update
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UA's latest changes has them throwing more 739s and 320s at YVR and fewer 319s in the upcoming summer scheds and on some days in June YVR-DEN is all mainline on all three daily flights. Been ages since I've seen that.

DL putting some 757 action back on the ATL route.

AA is putting their newer E75s on one of the two daily LAX flights in June/July - same number of seats as the CR9 its replacing

Vagabond
Mar 30, 2015, 2:35 PM
An interesting article (http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/canada-bets-on-direct-delhi-flight-to-push-tourism/article7041940.ece) from a major Indian paper on AC's upcoming re-entry into that market (YYZ-DEL starts Nov 1).

While he doesn't mention YVR, AC's VP Global Sales mentions their goal is to go daily on YYZ-DEL, expand flights to Mumbai, and grow AC's share of the overall Canada-India market by 25% in the next 2-3 years. He also mentions that the route will be a particularly good fit for AC's new 787-900s (they've ordered 50, according to the article).

Given this context, I would wager that a YVR-DEL flight is not inconceivable in the next couple of years, especially if bilateral traffic is picking up the way the article suggests. At the very least, it offers another good one-stop alternative between YVR & India, and with half decent timings too (no middle of the night arrival, etc.)

trofirhen
Mar 30, 2015, 6:23 PM
An interesting article (http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/canada-bets-on-direct-delhi-flight-to-push-tourism/article7041940.ece) from a major Indian paper on AC's upcoming re-entry into that market (YYZ-DEL starts Nov 1).

While he doesn't mention YVR, AC's VP Global Sales mentions their goal is to go daily on YYZ-DEL, expand flights to Mumbai, and grow AC's share of the overall Canada-India market by 25% in the next 2-3 years. He also mentions that the route will be a particularly good fit for AC's new 787-900s (they've ordered 50, according to the article).

Given this context, I would wager that a YVR-DEL flight is not inconceivable in the next couple of years, especially if bilateral traffic is picking up the way the article suggests. At the very least, it offers another good one-stop alternative between YVR & India, and with half decent timings too (no middle of the night arrival, etc.)
I used to naïvely think that having Emirates to Vancouver (or any M3) would be a sign that we had really reached a certain status.
If EK had in fact gained rights here, the possibilty of an eventual direct YVR - DEL route would have been that much less.

Now the M3 are giving the USA second thoughts, too, not to mention others. Show the M3 YVR can do quite well for itself without them. Interesting read:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/11487567/Gulf-airlines-are-winning-the-battle-for-the-skies.html

SFUVancouver
Mar 30, 2015, 6:25 PM
While he doesn't mention YVR, AC's VP Global Sales mentions their goal is to go daily on YYZ-DEL, expand flights to Mumbai, and grow AC's share of the overall Canada-India market by 25% in the next 2-3 years. He also mentions that the route will be a particularly good fit for AC's new 787-900s (they've ordered 50, according to the article).


Wow! I had no idea that Air Canada had invested that heavily in Dreamliners. Wikipedia's entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_787_orders_and_deliveries) on the Dreamliner orders by airline still shows Air Canada has being on the books for 37, but there is no date stamp on the page so Air Canada may well have exercised some options or added new orders. Air Canada may have also entered into lease agreements with the major aircraft lessors and that could explain the difference. Bottom line, whether it's 37 or 50 Dreamliners on order, that is a globally significant investment in that aircraft type.

I have been fairly certain that Air Canada would be keen on the Dreamliner since many of the existing and potential future routes connecting Canadian cities to destinations around the would fit the 'long, thin' route profile that the Dreamliner was designed to open up. I absolutely expect that in time YVR will be the beneficiary of numerous Dreamliner routes once the priority routes out of YYZ are served.

trofirhen
Mar 30, 2015, 6:34 PM
Wow! I had no idea that Air Canada had invested that heavily in Dreamliners. Wikipedia's entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_787_orders_and_deliveries) on the Dreamliner orders by airline still shows Air Canada has being on the books for 37, but there is no date stamp on the page so Air Canada may well have exercised some options or added new orders. Air Canada may have also entered into lease agreements with the major aircraft lessors and that could explain the difference. Bottom line, whether it's 37 or 50 Dreamliners on order, that is a globally significant investment in that aircraft type.

I have been fairly certain that Air Canada would be keen on the Dreamliner since many of the existing and potential future routes connecting Canadian cities to destinations around the would fit the 'long, thin' route profile that the Dreamliner was designed to open up. I absolutely expect that in time YVR will be the beneficiary of numerous Dreamliner routes once the priority routes out of YYZ are served.
YVR was supposed to get new AC Dreamliner routes to Brisbane and Frankfurt this year, but there's been no sound on that so far..

Johnny Aussie
Mar 30, 2015, 10:11 PM
From twitter:

“@airlineroute: Air New Zealand expands planned daily Auckland - Vancouver service from 6 to 8 weeks, from 07DEC15 to 31JAN16”

The daily service is being moved forward two weeks into early December.

Johnny Aussie
Mar 31, 2015, 12:03 AM
I apologise profusely for focusing on the positives and the "what we have" versus "what we could have" but....

Zowie! I was expecting less than 4% total growth.

http://yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/Traffic_Update_Feb_2015.sflb.ashx

Overall up 6%. Total international up 9.1%.

Every single sector up... Transborder and Europe continuing double digit growth. And Asia Pacific up a respectable 6.5%.

Total up over 80,000, Transborder alone was up over 40,000, compared to Feb 2014... who would have thought?

And those cargo stats?! Up 25.9%.... Wow!!

Certainly no slow down on the West Coast....

casper
Mar 31, 2015, 2:45 AM
Wow! I had no idea that Air Canada had invested that heavily in Dreamliners. Wikipedia's entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_787_orders_and_deliveries) on the Dreamliner orders by airline still shows Air Canada has being on the books for 37, but there is no date stamp on the page so Air Canada may well have exercised some options or added new orders. Air Canada may have also entered into lease agreements with the major aircraft lessors and that could explain the difference. Bottom line, whether it's 37 or 50 Dreamliners on order, that is a globally significant investment in that aircraft type.

I have been fairly certain that Air Canada would be keen on the Dreamliner since many of the existing and potential future routes connecting Canadian cities to destinations around the would fit the 'long, thin' route profile that the Dreamliner was designed to open up. I absolutely expect that in time YVR will be the beneficiary of numerous Dreamliner routes once the priority routes out of YYZ are served.

On top of that they have been adding new 777-300, adding used 767-300 to Rogue and deciding to keep the 330 and 767 that the Dreamliners were intendant to replace.

Vagabond
Mar 31, 2015, 5:46 AM
"While he doesn't mention YVR..."

Actually, to eat my own words, according to another Indian paper (the Business Standard (http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/air-canada-to-restart-india-operations-soon-115032600828_1.html)), Vancouver was mentioned in the same press conference:

After launching the 13.5 hour flight to New Delhi, it (Air Canada) would consider operating Toronto-Mumbai flights. Later, it would even consider a New Delhi-Vancouver flight.

Now AC has probably been "considering" a YVR-DEL flight since, well... forever, but at least now they are talking publicly about pairing the new 789s with this illusive route.

Hourglass
Mar 31, 2015, 7:07 AM
Now AC has probably been "considering" a YVR-DEL flight since, well... forever, but at least now they are talking publicly about pairing the new 789s with this illusive route.

I really hope YVR-DEL happens, but I suspect we'll see those 789s on Brisbane or Melbourne -- or maybe even CAN -- first.

Interesting that Delta is codesharing on the new CDG route. Wonder how many US passengers would take this option?

Large Cat
Mar 31, 2015, 7:52 AM
We really do need direct flights to India from here. I have several friends who have to make 3+ connections and the trip takes over 24 hours. YVR-DEL would be a lifesaver for them and would allow them to visit home much more often than they do.

yyc_engineer
Mar 31, 2015, 2:51 PM
We really do need direct flights to India from here

What about going year-round with ACR YYX-YYZ and timing it for a seamless connection with YYZ-DEL. Would be attractive to those living South of the Fraser. This allows feed from both YVR and YYX to the Delhi flight, with 100% of Lower Mainland catchment area covered.

Johnny Aussie
Mar 31, 2015, 9:25 PM
We really do need direct flights to India from here. I have several friends who have to make 3+ connections and the trip takes over 24 hours. YVR-DEL would be a lifesaver for them and would allow them to visit home much more often than they do.

Really? 3+ connections?

Right now there are over ten one-stop options that are available from YVR-DEL. Not including via YYZ or anywhere in the US. I realise not everyone traveling from Vancouver to India is going to Delhi, but most would be. In addition, all of these are shorter than via YYZ and in a lot of cases substantially shorter:

NRT, ICN, PEK, PVG, TPE, HKG, LHR, AMS, FRA, CDG and soon KIX as well. I wouldn't be surprised if China Southern expands into India and therefore, flights via CAN would be another good option.

The problem with a direct flight from YVR to DEL (the obvious destination in India) they would have to pull enough passengers off all of the one stop options at a decent price to make the low yielding route viable. It would be very challenging. Please understand the Vancouver-India market is just over a third that of Toronto's. And after YVR, the next largest Canada-India market is less than one third of Vancouver's. So even drawing from the rest of Western Canada wouldn't even come close to Toronto's. There is no doubt there is a huge YVR-India market, but serving it profitably is the hurdle.

yyc_engineer
Mar 31, 2015, 9:39 PM
This may be a stupid question, but can domestic pax walk over to the International Pier (D gates area)?

I'm flying YYC-YVR-YYJ tomorrow with 2.5 hour layover and it'd be cool to check out the parked Asian widebody planes but for some reason I recall that you can't walk over the D gate area unless you're flying Internationally. (which would be different from YYC where you can walk between Domestic and International (non-US) gates).

I think there is a security desk/commissionaire or something that checks your boarding card - maybe I can sweet talk them? Can anyone confirm? Thanks!

MalcolmTucker
Mar 31, 2015, 9:41 PM
Isn't it a duty free issue? So the shops don't have to check?

Johnny Aussie
Mar 31, 2015, 10:16 PM
This may be a stupid question, but can domestic pax walk over to the International Pier (D gates area)?

I'm flying YYC-YVR-YYJ tomorrow with 2.5 hour layover and it'd be cool to check out the parked Asian widebody planes but for some reason I recall that you can't walk over the D gate area unless you're flying Internationally. (which would be different from YYC where you can walk between Domestic and International (non-US) gates).

I think there is a security desk/commissionaire or something that checks your boarding card - maybe I can sweet talk them? Can anyone confirm? Thanks!

If you are on twitter or Facebook, just send them a message :) you may get to see AF as well tomorrow.

LeftCoaster
Mar 31, 2015, 11:41 PM
What about going year-round with ACR YYX-YYZ and timing it for a seamless connection with YYZ-DEL. Would be attractive to those living South of the Fraser. This allows feed from both YVR and YYX to the Delhi flight, with 100% of Lower Mainland catchment area covered.

That's not really advantageous though, as YVR and YYZ are nearly the exact same distance to India, so all you'd be doing is tacking on another 4,500kms to the journey.

Transferring in Toronto to India is just completely out of the way.

This may be a stupid question, but can domestic pax walk over to the International Pier (D gates area)?

I'm flying YYC-YVR-YYJ tomorrow with 2.5 hour layover and it'd be cool to check out the parked Asian widebody planes but for some reason I recall that you can't walk over the D gate area unless you're flying Internationally. (which would be different from YYC where you can walk between Domestic and International (non-US) gates).

I think there is a security desk/commissionaire or something that checks your boarding card - maybe I can sweet talk them? Can anyone confirm? Thanks!

If all else fails, go out of the security cleared zone, and up to the observation floor. You should be able to see some of them from up there and get a good vantage of the apron/runways. Definitely a good plan B, perhaps even better than getting to the international departures zone.

LeftCoaster
Mar 31, 2015, 11:45 PM
I apologise profusely for focusing on the positives and the "what we have" versus "what we could have" but....

Zowie! I was expecting less than 4% total growth.

http://yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/Traffic_Update_Feb_2015.sflb.ashx

Overall up 6%. Total international up 9.1%.

Every single sector up... Transborder and Europe continuing double digit growth. And Asia Pacific up a respectable 6.5%.

Total up over 80,000, Transborder alone was up over 40,000, compared to Feb 2014... who would have thought?

And those cargo stats?! Up 25.9%.... Wow!!

Certainly no slow down on the West Coast....

Great news, the cargo is nuts, although looking at past cargo stats it looks pretty volatile.

You really see the resurgence in the US economy, with that huge transborder growth more than offsetting the expected weak domestic numbers. Pleasant surprise continues to be Europe numbers.

Johnny Aussie
Apr 1, 2015, 12:18 AM
Great news, the cargo is nuts, although looking at past cargo stats it looks pretty volatile.

You really see the resurgence in the US economy, with that huge transborder growth more than offsetting the expected weak domestic numbers. Pleasant surprise continues to be Europe numbers.

Yeah it is a pleasant surprise. And once we start to see AF's ramp up perhaps even more... Although come summer time capacity is only marginally higher than last summer due to Virgin Atlantic's pullout with a few other ups and downs but luckily more ups than downs... It's encouraging to see that YVR's international numbers are really being boosted by "overseas" international and not just sun destination traffic... although that's increasing as well.

I definitely expected transborder to skyrocket thanks to rouge mainly, plus more Westjet, Delta, American etc... Again, the only capacity pull down was Alaska to LAX. YVR certainly escaped any significant UA reductions unlike most of Western Canada. Transborder should continue to do well at least through the summer, early fall.

Domestic is still doing OK. 3.1% growth is not bad considering what's happening in the rest of Western Canada.

As for cargo, I think that Feb is (finally) a monthly record for Feb... I've been tracking the last 12 months and cargo seems to be on the constant uptick compared to the ups and downs previously. YVR is the only Canadian airport that releases cargo stats on a regular basis... Not sure why!? It would be nice to see other airports back up their grand standing press releases with numbers. YVR still seems to be quite modest with its PR.


If all else fails, go out of the security cleared zone, and up to the observation floor. You should be able to see some of them from up there and get a good vantage of the apron/runways. Definitely a good plan B, perhaps even better than getting to the international departures zone.

Actually, the observation deck is not a very good vantage point for the D and E wings. Definitely you can see the best movement action if the active runways are the 08s. But if you are wanting to see the international stationary tails, not very good.

casper
Apr 1, 2015, 3:03 AM
Great news, the cargo is nuts, although looking at past cargo stats it looks pretty volatile.

You really see the resurgence in the US economy, with that huge transborder growth more than offsetting the expected weak domestic numbers. Pleasant surprise continues to be Europe numbers.

There is also a labour dispute in some of the ports in California. There probably is a small percentage of that cargo that would have been shifted from cargo ships to air. Interesting to see if it holds going forward.

deasine
Apr 1, 2015, 2:39 PM
This may be a stupid question, but can domestic pax walk over to the International Pier (D gates area)?

I'm flying YYC-YVR-YYJ tomorrow with 2.5 hour layover and it'd be cool to check out the parked Asian widebody planes but for some reason I recall that you can't walk over the D gate area unless you're flying Internationally. (which would be different from YYC where you can walk between Domestic and International (non-US) gates).

I think there is a security desk/commissionaire or something that checks your boarding card - maybe I can sweet talk them? Can anyone confirm? Thanks!

There's a boarding pass check that prohibits this from happening. If you are lucky, you can actually check out the int'l planes from Pier C (Air Canada pier) as a lot of jets often park on the south side of Pier D (which would make it visible).

Johnny Aussie
Apr 2, 2015, 12:11 AM
UK prelim Stats for Feb 2015 have been released.

YVR-LHR up a healthy 20.6%. Steady after a 25.3% January increase. This helps explain the large increase to Europe in February.
YVR-LGW was down marginally about 3%. January was up 7.9% in comparison.

Next winter it looks like Transat will maintain its once weekly YVR-LGW before increasing to 2 weekly in early March 2016 (earlier than this year).

Source: http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=80&pagetype=88&sglid=11&fld=201502

Johnny Aussie
Apr 2, 2015, 1:32 AM
AA has just updated their winter 2015/16 scheds and it looks like AA is increasing DFW and PHX to 3 daily year-round. Normally AA reduces both routes to 2 daily for the winter scheds.

All three DFW flights are showing as 738s. PHX is 2 daily 320s and a daily CR9.

Along with the new(ish) 2 daily LAX, that will make 8 AA ops per day next winter.

And with the increase to PHX, PHX bumps up to 5 daily with Westjet and rouge also on the route.

Of course things can change....

Perhaps AA is riding on the transborder wave!

trofirhen
Apr 2, 2015, 2:50 AM
http://www.vancouversun.com/Business/asia-pacific/Chuck+Chiang+Canada+boss+tells+there+should+limits/9177541/story.html

Calin Rovinescu warned some time back that without a strong Air Canada hub, YVR was destined to become a "stub" airport, of airlines that had their hubs elsewhere.....................

{He said the support of a strong, domestic air carrier, one willing to invest directly in YVR’s hub operations, is the real way to maximize Vancouver’s gateway identity. Some foreign carriers — if unfettered by rules — may turn YVR into a “stub” feeding into other international hubs, he said.}

Gee Mr. Rovinescu, we seem to be rather a stub, and we're doing just great, thanks. Sorry to blow your theory. AC didn't pick up available routes. Others did.

SFUVancouver
Apr 2, 2015, 3:02 AM
UK prelim Stats for Feb 2015 have been released.

YVR-LHR up a healthy 20.6%. Steady after a 25.3% January increase. This helps explain the large increase to Europe in February.
YVR-LGW was down marginally about 3%. January was up 7.9% in comparison.

Next winter it looks like Transat will maintain its once weekly YVR-LGW before increasing to 2 weekly in early March 2016 (earlier than this year).

Source: http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=80&pagetype=88&sglid=11&fld=201502

I tried to fly to South Africa via BA YVR-LHR-JNB in mid-March and found that BA was booked solid for everything except First Class. Had to do a less direct YVR-DFW-LHR-JNB routing with AA & BA (AA codeshare) for the LHR-JNB segments.

With BA regularly filling its YVR-LHR with a 744, and that aircraft type being phased out for A388, I wonder whether BA would go the route of running a A388 on the YVR-LRH route, or more frequent service with its ordered A350 or existing B773 fleet?

deasine
Apr 2, 2015, 11:56 AM
I tried to fly to South Africa via BA YVR-LHR-JNB in mid-March and found that BA was booked solid for everything except First Class. Had to do a less direct YVR-DFW-LHR-JNB routing with AA & BA (AA codeshare) for the LHR-JNB segments.

With BA regularly filling its YVR-LHR with a 744, and that aircraft type being phased out for A388, I wonder whether BA would go the route of running a A388 on the YVR-LRH route, or more frequent service with its ordered A350 or existing B773 fleet?

Well during the summer period BA goes more than daily (10 weekly I think?). I definitely don't think the 380 is warranted in Vancouver. Rather, there are many more routes British Airways would be interested in deploying the 380 rather than Vancouver. The 380 is also a premium heavy aircraft and Vancouver just doesn't have the support for it. Increasing frequency is through like the 787 for instance is probably the better way to go... but then there's the issue of slots at LHR...

Hourglass
Apr 2, 2015, 12:44 PM
Well during the summer period BA goes more than daily (10 weekly I think?). I definitely don't think the 380 is warranted in Vancouver. Rather, there are many more routes British Airways would be interested in deploying the 380 rather than Vancouver. The 380 is also a premium heavy aircraft and Vancouver just doesn't have the support for it. Increasing frequency is through like the 787 for instance is probably the better way to go... but then there's the issue of slots at LHR...

I think last summer was 12-13x/weekly.

Would be cool to see BA fly their A380s to YVR, even if only during the summer, but given they only have 13 of the whalejets at the moment, I'd have to agree they'd be better utilized elsewhere.

SFUVancouver
Apr 2, 2015, 5:30 PM
I don't disagree with the likelihood of BA's limited number of A380s being far more valuable on other routes than the LHR-YVR route, but the day will come when its B744 fleet is retired, replaced with a split fleet of larger A388 and smaller A350, B777, and B787 jets. So my musing was what BA's plan would be for YVR: more frequent flights with smaller aircraft (777, 787, or A350) or a similar (or reduced) flight cadence with a larger aircraft, namely the A380. BA is going to be slot-limited at LHR for the foreseeable future, at least until the 3rd runway can be built, and with the LHR-YVR route being a dependable profit centre with high load factors, the airline will have to juggle to let it grow.

deasine
Apr 2, 2015, 9:13 PM
I don't disagree with the likelihood of BA's limited number of A380s being far more valuable on other routes than the LHR-YVR route, but the day will come when its B744 fleet is retired, replaced with a split fleet of larger A388 and smaller A350, B777, and B787 jets. So my musing was what BA's plan would be for YVR: more frequent flights with smaller aircraft (777, 787, or A350) or a similar (or reduced) flight cadence with a larger aircraft, namely the A380. BA is going to be slot-limited at LHR for the foreseeable future, at least until the 3rd runway can be built, and with the LHR-YVR route being a dependable profit centre with high load factors, the airline will have to juggle to let it grow.

The thing is the airline isn't suffering from significant market leakage. British Airways is enjoying high average load factors, Air Canada is also enjoying high average load factors. And with the exit of Virgin Atlantic thereby removing competition, there isn't much choice you have and so both airlines can raise prices making higher profits and be able to get away with it! In fact, BA isn't that interested in the third runway as it would lose market share to other carriers and would decrease its share of slots at Heathrow (current ~50% but third runway must be accessible to competing carriers and new entrants under EU law).

Until we have a demonstrated premium market, there will be no desire for BA to fly to YVR using A380s (And remember AC's use of a 777 HDs, low yield heavy aircraft, is indicative of how weak the premium market is to YVR despite the fact the planes are always full).

Johnny Aussie
Apr 2, 2015, 9:28 PM
Until we have a demonstrated premium market, there will be no desire for BA to fly to YVR using A380s (And remember AC's use of a 777 HDs, low yield heavy aircraft, is indicative of how weak the premium market is to YVR despite the fact the planes are always full).

YVR actually does have a decent premium market (moreso to Asia) however, certainly not big enough to warrant A380s on any airline for the time being. One could argue the HD 777 they are using on YVR-LHR actually has more premium seating than any other AC aircraft at the moment. The HD has only 6 fewer J seats but they have 24 Premium Economy Seats to cover the in between market. The fact that the economy cabin is cramped in huge is not relevant to the premium market argument.

BA would be better off going to two daily on triple 7s or similar.

Johnny Aussie
Apr 3, 2015, 12:40 AM
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/low-fuel-prices-buoy-jetlines-hopes/article23570549/

Now looking at a September launch. Starting out small with two jets and one backup (?). YVR and YWG to be "hubs." Within 18 months expand to YHM to make it the central Canada hub. Not surprisingly they are having difficulties raising capital.

They might want to stop divulging so much information or they may become like Target in Canada giving their competitors a lot of info to prepare for competition. Loose lips sink ships. That is of course they actually do manage to fly.

trofirhen
Apr 3, 2015, 3:40 AM
YVR actually does have a decent premium market (moreso to Asia) however, certainly not big enough to warrant A380s on any airline for the time being. One could argue the HD 777 they are using on YVR-LHR actually has more premium seating than any other AC aircraft at the moment. The HD has only 6 fewer J seats but they have 24 Premium Economy Seats to cover the in between market. The fact that the economy cabin is cramped in huge is not relevant to the premium market argument.

BA would be better off going to two daily on triple 7s or similar.
I would love to see BA go YVR - LHR twice daily.

SpongeG
Apr 4, 2015, 11:44 PM
you can fly to south africa via amsterdam or frankfurt as well, all routes via europe give you a good 8+ hour layover

casper
Apr 5, 2015, 1:26 AM
There is also a labour dispute in some of the ports in California. There probably is a small percentage of that cargo that would have been shifted from cargo ships to air. Interesting to see if it holds going forward.

Interesting article on the increase in air cargo.....

http://business.financialpost.com/news/transportation/u-s-west-coast-port-congestion-boosts-demand-for-air-cargo

Johnny Aussie
Apr 6, 2015, 7:00 AM
KLM is rolling out their summer 2016 timetable already.

YVR-AMS will be daily 777-200ER. This is replacing the daily A330-300.

Decent bump in seats.... approx 168 per week. More premium seats as well.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/04/06/kl-s16update2/

rxp
Apr 7, 2015, 1:01 AM
That would still give Delta more Chinese customers to ferry into the U.S. and beyond to points such as Sao Paulo, where the airline owns a stake in Brazil’s Gol. Traffic between China and Brazil is seeing tremendous growth, Boyd said. The only question is whether a Chinese carrier would want to operate in a trans-Pacific partnership with Delta or fly its own planes, Boyd said.
source (https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCMQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Fnews%2Farticles%2F2015-04-06%2Fdelta-ceo-sees-shanghai-hub-as-carrier-plots-growing-china-plan&ei=KSwjVeP0OMSyogTTrYDQDg&usg=AFQjCNFG_LBTFmTDFjZrTQ4NNDdTaAdChw&sig2=rsE7HJ3K3sZv89l-eYcLOg&bvm=bv.89947451,d.cGU)

Whats happening with our thing at YVR? dont know the official name, but the transit area

casper
Apr 7, 2015, 1:31 AM
source (https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCMQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Fnews%2Farticles%2F2015-04-06%2Fdelta-ceo-sees-shanghai-hub-as-carrier-plots-growing-china-plan&ei=KSwjVeP0OMSyogTTrYDQDg&usg=AFQjCNFG_LBTFmTDFjZrTQ4NNDdTaAdChw&sig2=rsE7HJ3K3sZv89l-eYcLOg&bvm=bv.89947451,d.cGU)

Whats happening with our thing at YVR? dont know the official name, but the transit area

I am all for YVR becoming the mega hub of the world. However is it not faster to transfer in Toronto (shorter length) for travel between Brazil and Shanghai.

If I were running Air Canada, I would not care if its Toronto or Vancouver, I would use the city that provides the best competitive advantage over Delta and others. They also serve Rio and San Paulo non-stop from Toronto.

ACT7
Apr 7, 2015, 3:37 PM
I am all for YVR becoming the mega hub of the world. However is it not faster to transfer in Toronto (shorter length) for travel between Brazil and Shanghai.

If I were running Air Canada, I would not care if its Toronto or Vancouver, I would use the city that provides the best competitive advantage over Delta and others. They also serve Rio and San Paulo non-stop from Toronto.
It also boils down to population catchment when it comes to hubbing. YYZ has about 100 million people within a two and half hour flight of it. Distance to various destinations is a factor for sure but keep in mind Winnipeg is also one of the most centrally and conveniently located transportation hubs on the continent, yet it will never be a true hub for any airline.

casper
Apr 8, 2015, 2:19 AM
It also boils down to population catchment when it comes to hubbing. YYZ has about 100 million people within a two and half hour flight of it. Distance to various destinations is a factor for sure but keep in mind Winnipeg is also one of the most centrally and conveniently located transportation hubs on the continent, yet it will never be a true hub for any airline.

Winnipeg has struggled to some extent. At one point in time Air Canada had non-stop from Winnipeg to London Heathrow. That has all shifted. Calgary has become the main for that region of the country.

SFUVancouver
Apr 8, 2015, 5:56 PM
I'm going to Chengdu for work in a month and I'm wondering whether frequent flyers to China have any suggestions or words of caution for airlines and flight routing. Thanks in advance.

Also, I was surprised to learn that YVR is one of three hubs for Air China.
http://ca.fltmaps.com/EN/CANADA?

Hourglass
Apr 8, 2015, 7:23 PM
I'm going to Chengdu for work in a month and I'm wondering whether frequent flyers to China have any suggestions or words of caution for airlines and flight routing. Thanks in advance.

Also, I was surprised to learn that YVR is one of three hubs for Air China.
http://ca.fltmaps.com/EN/CANADA?

China's airlines have come a long way in terms of safety and service. But overall, the biggest problem remains how they handle delays or cancellations. This is more of a problem when flying domestically within China (domestic flights can be an interesting experience...). But for that reason, I'd opt for transiting via ICN, NRT, HKG or even SFO over Beijing, Shanghai Pudong or Guangzhou.

For my money, my preferred routing ex-YVR would probably be CX / KA via HKG. HKG is a great hub to transit through, Cathay has good service and reliability and plenty of flight options to Mainland China, and if there are delays, they do a good job of taking care of you.

If you do take a Chinese airline, China Eastern is generally viewed as having the poorest service of the 'big-3'.

SFUVancouver
Apr 8, 2015, 7:52 PM
China's airlines have come a long way in terms of safety and service. But overall, the biggest problem remains how they handle delays or cancellations. This is more of a problem when flying domestically within China (domestic flights are an ... interesting ... experience). But for that reason, I'd opt for transiting via ICN, NRT, HKG or even SFO over Beijing, Shanghai Pudong or Guangzhou.

For my money, my preferred routing ex-YVR would probably be CX / KA via HKG. HKG is a great hub to transit through, Cathay has good service and reliability and plenty of flight options to Mainland China, and if there are delays, they do a good job of taking care of you.

If you do take a Chinese airline, China Eastern is generally viewed as having the poorest service of the 'big-3'.

Thank you for this. My preference is Cathay from YVR to HKG and then Cathay's subsidiary airline Dragon Air from HKG to Chengdu. I like Cathay and prefer to earn frequent flyer points with One World versus Air China (Star Alliance). I'm not sure what the cost differential is (our travel agent is looking into our options) but I'm going to try and convince the team to fly Cathay if it isn't an exorbitant difference in cost. I've flown through HKG several times and feel pretty familiar with its layout and appreciate the prevalence of English on signage and spoken by staff.

LeftCoaster
Apr 9, 2015, 12:44 AM
KLM is rolling out their summer 2016 timetable already.

YVR-AMS will be daily 777-200ER. This is replacing the daily A330-300.

Decent bump in seats.... approx 168 per week. More premium seats as well.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/04/06/kl-s16update2/

Great news, lots of love from the KLM/Air France group lately.

Would love to see Air France go daily within the next year or so. Given the European traffic growth, it may not be too far fetched.

ACT7
Apr 9, 2015, 3:01 AM
Winnipeg has struggled to some extent. At one point in time Air Canada had non-stop from Winnipeg to London Heathrow. That has all shifted. Calgary has become the main for that region of the country.
Going much further back, Winnipeg used to have flights to Amsterdam and Frankfurt on CP, and Heathrow 747 service on AC. YWG has been stuck in neutral for decades (much like Winnipeg in general). I recall when Greyhound Air tried to make YWG their hub and it failed miserably. It seems like more new routes have failed at YWG than not - AA to ORD, DL to SLC, NW to DTW to name but a few.

Not to mention smaller aircraft being placed on routes that used to see regular A320 service, peppered in with some 767 service.

casper
Apr 10, 2015, 1:47 AM
Going much further back, Winnipeg used to have flights to Amsterdam and Frankfurt on CP, and Heathrow 747 service on AC. YWG has been stuck in neutral for decades (much like Winnipeg in general). I recall when Greyhound Air tried to make YWG their hub and it failed miserably. It seems like more new routes have failed at YWG than not - AA to ORD, DL to SLC, NW to DTW to name but a few.

Not to mention smaller aircraft being placed on routes that used to see regular A320 service, peppered in with some 767 service.

Greyhound Air was going to fail one way or another. The ultra low cost option using 727 and competing against two full service airlines was not going to work.

SFUVancouver
Apr 10, 2015, 5:34 AM
Greyhound Air was going to fail one way or another. The ultra low cost option using 727 and competing against two full service airlines was not going to work.

Plus the flight attendants wore sweatshirts as uniforms; bizarre.

ACT7
Apr 10, 2015, 2:14 PM
Greyhound Air was going to fail one way or another. The ultra low cost option using 727 and competing against two full service airlines was not going to work.
Probably true. But I don't think choosing YWG as a hub even gave them a fighting chance.

Zassk
Apr 10, 2015, 11:02 PM
600 positions to fill at Vancouver Airport Outlet Mall job fair this weekend

The first phase opening this spring consists of 240,000 square feet of space for 80 retail shops. A second phase is slated to open in about two years, which will increase the mall footprint to 400,000 square feet and grow the outlet centre to 150 stores.

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/04/vancouver-airport-outlet-mall-job-fair/
(http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/04/vancouver-airport-outlet-mall-job-fair/)

trofirhen
Apr 10, 2015, 11:24 PM
In the YVR MASTERPLAN for 2027, I thought I saw a transborder terminal occupying the land directly adjacent to Templeton station.
If the outlet mall is to be the main occupant of that land, where would the planned Transborder Terminal expansion be?
Or have I got it wrong?

LeftCoaster
Apr 10, 2015, 11:37 PM
In the YVR MASTERPLAN for 2027, I thought I saw a transborder terminal occupying the land directly adjacent to Templeton station.
If the outlet mall is to be the main occupant of that land, where would the planned Transborder Terminal expansion be?
Or have I got it wrong?

I know the slide you're thinking of, and you're confusing Templeton with a station does not yet exist. The new station would be placed between the existing terminus station and sea island station and would act as a terminal shuttle to a new terminal connected to the existing Transborder. Definitely no where near templeton, as that's quite disconnected from the airport and existing runways/apron.

Edit: Found the slide.

http://i.imgur.com/k0pTBSH.png


And here's the Canada line diagram showing "Future YVR 3"

http://i.imgur.com/GPx1zUT.png

twoNeurons
Apr 13, 2015, 4:46 AM
Thank you for this. My preference is Cathay from YVR to HKG and then Cathay's subsidiary airline Dragon Air from HKG to Chengdu. I like Cathay and prefer to earn frequent flyer points with One World versus Air China (Star Alliance). I'm not sure what the cost differential is (our travel agent is looking into our options) but I'm going to try and convince the team to fly Cathay if it isn't an exorbitant difference in cost. I've flown through HKG several times and feel pretty familiar with its layout and appreciate the prevalence of English on signage and spoken by staff.

Your other option of you want to fly one world is japan air lines through NRT. English isn't an issue in Narita or JAL and that routing is probably your shortest option.

The only complaint I've had on CX through HK is passenger roulette. You could get seated next to a mainlander who decides to change her baby's poop-filled diaper at her seat and draping the diaper over your lap because she's too lazy to get up and use the toilet.

And I'm a parent with two small kids. I know how difficult IT is to travel with kids.

Johnny Aussie
Apr 13, 2015, 6:54 AM
Effective 26 October MU will be adding an additional three weekly flights with a late evening departure on the YVR-PVG route.

This boosts the route from 7 to 10 weekly for the winter season 2015/16. This follows on heels of the double daily in the summer season.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/04/13/mu-w15update1/

Sched as follows:

MU581 PVG1330 - 0910YVR 332 D
MU597 KMG1840 – 2140PVG2350 - 1810YVR 332 257

MU598 YVR0030 - 0500+1PVG0800+1 – 1110+1KMG 332 136
MU582 YVR1330 - 1635+1PVG 332 D

Edit: the additional flights are the ones that carry on to KMG (Kunming).

Also a minor adjustment to KE's service on YVR-ICN. 772s will continue to operate 5 weekly until 17 June when the route goes to a daily 744 for the summer. There were supposed to be some 77Ws thrown onto the route from late March until 17 June.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/04/13/ke-yvr-s15update2

SFUVancouver
Apr 13, 2015, 9:43 AM
Your other option of you want to fly one world is japan air lines through NRT. English isn't an issue in Narita or JAL and that routing is probably your shortest option.

The only complaint I've had on CX through HK is passenger roulette. You could get seated next to a mainlander who decides to change her baby's poop-filled diaper at her seat and draping the diaper over your lap because she's too lazy to get up and use the toilet.

And I'm a parent with two small kids. I know how difficult IT is to travel with kids.

Thank you. I hadn't thought of a routing through Japan. I'll mention that to our travel agent.

As for passenger roulette on Cathay, I know exactly what you mean! On a HKG-YVR flight I was on the aisle and I got a seat mate in the middle who didn't know the etiquette for asking to be let out. She would spring (that's honestly the best word for it) from a dead standstill in her seat to halfway over my leg in one fluid, split-second movement. The first two times I was good natured about it, and a bit impressed that she was so agile and able to seemingly defy physics at will. I was not impressed when she did this while I was sound asleep and managed to kick me solidly in the side of the knee as she sprung into action. I mean, what was her plan? To literally straddle my legs (I'm tall enough to use up all the room between the seat and tray table) and just climb over me?! I couldn't get back to sleep after that; fortunately Cathay's open bar at the back of the plane and ample selection of movies helped me get through the rest of the flight home.

LeftCoaster
Apr 14, 2015, 9:33 PM
Thought it would be interesting to take a swing at what the most likely route to ever see an A380 at YVR would be. Of note it is one of only a few airports in NA who can currently even accommodate a 380, even O'Hare can't AFAIK.

The following are long haul operators at YVR who run or will run the 380, ordered in a rough guess at their likelihood of ever running a 380, as well as a few notes justifying their position.


British Airways - Most likely, strong route, limited berths at Heathrow, business route;
Lufthansa - Not sure, but seems like a strong route;
China Southern - HNW travel between China and YVR strong. Beijing and Shanghai stronger markets;
Korean Airways - Not sure, could drop below Qantas;
Qantas - Highly unlikely, new route, tourist driven, some mining/business travel;
Air France - Highly unlikely, new route, tourist driven.


Anyone have any input? I don't think it will happen too soon, but if growth at YVR continues at it's current pace I'd imagine we might see one before the decade is out.

Hourglass
Apr 14, 2015, 11:30 PM
Thought it would be interesting to take a swing at what the most likely route to ever see an A380 at YVR would be. Of note it is one of only a few airports in NA who can currently even accommodate a 380, even O'Hare can't AFAIK.

The following are long haul operators at YVR who run or will run the 380, ordered in a rough guess at their likelihood of ever running a 380, as well as a few notes justifying their position.


British Airways - Most likely, strong route, limited berths at Heathrow, business route;
Lufthansa - Not sure, but seems like a strong route;
China Southern - HNW travel between China and YVR strong. Beijing and Shanghai stronger markets;
Korean Airways - Not sure, could drop below Qantas;
Qantas - Highly unlikely, new route, tourist driven, some mining/business travel;
Air France - Highly unlikely, new route, tourist driven.


Anyone have any input? I don't think it will happen too soon, but if growth at YVR continues at it's current pace I'd imagine we might see one before the decade is out.

I think you pretty much covered it. Problem is none of these airlines have a lot of these airframes (BA and AF only have 12 + options, LH has 14 with options for an additional 13, China Southern has 5), which means they're allocated to very specific high density routes. For BA, that's LHR to places like HKG, SIN or LAX.

Of your list, probably BA for the summer season if they exercise their options. Funnily enough, within your timeline, I was thinking we're more likely to see the first A380 from EK -- if they get greater access to Canada within the next few years...

Johnny Aussie
Apr 15, 2015, 6:44 AM
Looks like the E75s will be taking over both daily YVR-LAX flights effective 9 Sept. Capacity wash.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/04/15/aa-laxe75-sep15/

Also looks like they have pushed back their third daily PHX flight (The CR9 flight wedged in between the Airbus flights) for the summer until the 18th of August. However, this route is still scheduled for three daily right through the rest of summer, fall and winter.

Johnny Aussie
Apr 15, 2015, 9:31 AM
For the summer CA was boosting YVR-PEK to 11 weekly. Now they are bumping the route to 12 weekly from 11th Aug and then to double daily from 17th Aug to 9th Sept.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/04/15/ca-yvr-aug15/

So from mid August to early September Star Alliance will have 3 daily flights on the YVR-PEK route. All flights are operated by 777-300ERs.

So for that brief period... YVR-China goes to 73 flights per week.. 21 each to PEK, PVG and HKG, 7 to CAN and 3 to SHE/CTU.

How big is this really? To put in perspective... that's 42 777-300ERs, 17 A330-200s and 14 787-800s each week...That's a crapload of seats to China!

Klazu
Apr 15, 2015, 2:19 PM
How big is this really? To put in perspective... that's 42 777-300ERs, 17 A330-200s and 14 787-800s each week...That's a crapload of seats to China!

Interesting. I hope that would also mean flights at bargain price to China.

Johnny Aussie
Apr 15, 2015, 9:10 PM
Interesting. I hope that would also mean flights at bargain price to China.

Hopefully more seats = more competition and better fares.

I'll be on one of those big birds later this year when I head to YVR via PEK.

Still trying to figure out what is going on with Sichuan after 30 October. Still no flights showing. Perhaps it is going to be seasonal like Moscow.

twoNeurons
Apr 15, 2015, 10:39 PM
Thank you. I hadn't thought of a routing through Japan. I'll mention that to our travel agent.


No problem. I actually just flew through NRT with JL back in October. They're using 787s between NRT-YVR and (at least for now) their 787s are 2-4-2 in economy as opposed to some airlines which are jamming in 3-3-3 there (United).

I've never liked 3 seats on the sides (like the 777) as it really sucks to be on the Window side with two pax to get past.

SFUVancouver
Apr 16, 2015, 5:15 AM
No problem. I actually just flew through NRT with JL back in October. They're using 787s between NRT-YVR and (at least for now) their 787s are 2-4-2 in economy as opposed to some airlines which are jamming in 3-3-3 there (United).

I've never liked 3 seats on the sides (like the 777) as it really sucks to be on the Window side with two pax to get past.

An opportunity to take a 787 is a very interesting consideration!

As for the 777 3-4-3 setup, I don't mind being on the window seat. I've got pretty solid bladder control, so I time a trip to the loo at convenient intervals in the flight when everyone's awake and mobile. The worst though is when people don't stand up to let you out. Come on.

Johnny Aussie
Apr 16, 2015, 10:18 PM
http://yvr.ca/en/blog/posts/VIDEO_Air_France_Inaugural.aspx

Johnny Aussie
Apr 17, 2015, 12:09 AM
@PacificAirPhoto: Indian PM Modi arrives at @yvrairport on #AirIndia 1! #YVR #Vancouver #RareSighting #avgeek http://twitter.com/PacificAirPhoto/status/588834720923848705/photo/1

trofirhen
Apr 17, 2015, 3:08 AM
@PacificAirPhoto: Indian PM Modi arrives at @yvrairport on #AirIndia 1! #YVR #Vancouver #RareSighting #avgeek http://twitter.com/PacificAirPhoto/status/588834720923848705/photo/1
Interesting. I wonder what business brings him here. This is not Toronto, or Ottawa.
(hehe, wouldn't it be great if instead of waiting for Air Canada, Air India stepped in to apply for a YVR - DEL route! Ottawa would nix that, and I'm in dreamland anyway.)

Hourglass
Apr 17, 2015, 5:50 AM
Interesting. I wonder what business brings him here. This is not Toronto, or Ottawa.
(hehe, wouldn't it be great if instead of waiting for Air Canada, Air India stepped in to apply for a YVR - DEL route! Ottawa would nix that, and I'm in dreamland anyway.)

Actually trofirhen, there's nothing to stop Air India from starting YVR-DEL right now (http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2005-06-10/news/27484397_1_canadian-airlines-canadian-carriers-weekly-flights).

The main issue right now is not legal but rather economic -- ie whether anyone can actually make money flying non-stop from YVR to India.

Hot Rod
Apr 17, 2015, 6:06 AM
I don't see why not, personally.

red-paladin
Apr 17, 2015, 6:18 AM
I saw the motorcade w/ tons of cops going down W Cordova.
They blocked each block off at a time.

Pinion
Apr 17, 2015, 10:24 AM
I saw a crapload of police and protesters in front of the Renaissance hotel and further to the east last night. Had no idea what was going on at the time, but that seems to fit.

trofirhen
Apr 17, 2015, 2:38 PM
I don't see why not, personally.
The feedback I've seen regarding that seems to hinge on the fact that there is not enough business traffic.
From Vancouver, it would be mostly family visits, it is said, people seeking lower-priced seats; yield factor too low.

s211
Apr 17, 2015, 3:22 PM
I saw the motorcade w/ tons of cops going down W Cordova.
They blocked each block off at a time.

It's quite a ballet.

phesto
Apr 17, 2015, 3:39 PM
Another pic, this one from YYZ:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7697/16984283040_4a9d8eb987_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/rSQTCd)VT-EVB (https://flic.kr/p/rSQTCd) by YYZ John (https://www.flickr.com/people/85631284@N06/), on Flickr

dubsH
Apr 17, 2015, 3:52 PM
Although it'd be nice having more airlines at YVR, I don't think I would personally fly Air India after these two recent incidents:

"Air India grounds two pilots after captain 'beaten up' in cockpit" http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/06/air-india-grounds-two-pilots-after-cockpit-dispute

"Air India fails to attract any candidates for pilot jobs" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/asia/india/11477222/Air-India-fails-to-attract-any-candidates-for-pilot-jobs.html

-----

Does anyone know where Cathay Pacific is building their new lounge? YVR is apparently one of four ports where they are updating their lounges but I couldn't find any information on there. I was last in their current lounge in March.

Hourglass
Apr 17, 2015, 4:00 PM
Does anyone know where Cathay Pacific is building their new lounge? YVR is apparently one of four ports where they are updating their lounges but I couldn't find any information on there. I was last in their current lounge in March.

Cathay's new lounge looks set to open at the end of the year or early 2016, location nearer to the departure gates. Link here: http://www.ausbt.com.au/cathay-pacific-new-lounges-for-manila-bangkok-taipei-vancouver

dubsH
Apr 17, 2015, 4:16 PM
Cathay's new lounge looks set to open at the end of the year or early 2016, location nearer to the departure gates. Link here: http://www.ausbt.com.au/cathay-pacific-new-lounges-for-manila-bangkok-taipei-vancouver

Thanks! Google is my friend... haha... I just read that article before I came back on here. The current Cathay lounge is quite small and dingy with a terrible food spread so I hope I get to use it before they devaluate my current FF status benefits.

CanSpice
Apr 17, 2015, 4:17 PM
Interesting. I wonder what business brings him here. This is not Toronto, or Ottawa.
(hehe, wouldn't it be great if instead of waiting for Air Canada, Air India stepped in to apply for a YVR - DEL route! Ottawa would nix that, and I'm in dreamland anyway.)

There are a lot of Indians living in Metro Vancouver, and Vancouver being Canada's western port means a lot of trade to India flows through here. I'd imagine he'll be meeting with Christy Clark and other government officials while he's here to set up trade agreements and whatnot.

red-paladin
Apr 17, 2015, 5:27 PM
trofirhen: I see that some home-town haters on the forum have convinced you that Vancouver is a sleepy little resort town with no economic or political significance whatsoever, but hopefully the fact that the first state visit from India's PM in decades having a major stop here reinforces that the rest of the world thinks Vancouver is a relevant place! :P :P

trofirhen
Apr 17, 2015, 6:56 PM
trofirhen: I see that some home-town haters on the forum have convinced you that Vancouver is a sleepy little resort town with no economic or political significance whatsoever, but hopefully the fact that the first state visit from India's PM in decades having a major stop here reinforces that the rest of the world thinks Vancouver is a relevant place! :P :P
Firstly, I am NOT a home-town hater. If I were, I would not be haunting the pages of SSP Vancouver.
Secondly, I realize Vancouver has gained a respectable profile on the world stage: Habitat 76, Commowealth Conf '85, Expo 86, Clinton-Yeltson Summit (??) '93 etc. And yes, I do see Vancouver as a relevant place. Please don't lay this shit-trip on me. ;)

trofirhen
Apr 17, 2015, 7:10 PM
Actually trofirhen, there's nothing to stop Air India from starting YVR-DEL right now (http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2005-06-10/news/27484397_1_canadian-airlines-canadian-carriers-weekly-flights).

The main issue right now is not legal but rather economic -- ie whether anyone can actually make money flying non-stop from YVR to India.
Thank you for that link.
Yes, the new agreement really does open stuff up!
As you say, it's a question of will it make money or not?
Maybe there's another carrier in India who might be interested. Who knows?
Not so long ago, people were telling me that YVR - CDG would remain a seasonal summer route for years to come.

red-paladin
Apr 17, 2015, 7:55 PM
Firstly, I am NOT a home-town hater. If I were, I would not be haunting the pages of SSP Vancouver.
Secondly, I realize Vancouver has gained a respectable profile on the world stage: Habitat 76, Commowealth Conf '85, Expo 86, Clinton-Yeltson Summit (??) '93 etc. And yes, I do see Vancouver as a relevant place. Please don't lay this shit-trip on me. ;)

I didn't say that you were a home-town hater, merely influenced if you asked why he was visiting at all. :P
:surrender: :surrender: :surrender:

LeftCoaster
Apr 17, 2015, 10:24 PM
Another pic, this one from YYZ:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7697/16984283040_4a9d8eb987_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/rSQTCd)VT-EVB (https://flic.kr/p/rSQTCd) by YYZ John (https://www.flickr.com/people/85631284@N06/), on Flickr

Why are there two Air India 747s in this pic? Is he flying with that big of an entourage?

Hourglass
Apr 17, 2015, 11:59 PM
Why are there two Air India 747s in this pic? Is he flying with that big of an entourage?

It might actually be a stand-by aircraft as the 744 carrying PM Modi on his visit to Europe developed engine problems and another one had to be brought in to fly him to Canada.

Vagabond
Apr 18, 2015, 3:43 PM
Although it'd be nice having more airlines at YVR, I don't think I would personally fly Air India after these two recent incidents:

"Air India grounds two pilots after captain 'beaten up' in cockpit" http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/06/air-india-grounds-two-pilots-after-cockpit-dispute

"Air India fails to attract any candidates for pilot jobs" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/asia/india/11477222/Air-India-fails-to-attract-any-candidates-for-pilot-jobs.html


It seems every few months an embarrassing story comes out about some mishap on an AI international flight. Their European routes seem particularly prone to cancellations, reroutes, and backed up toilets (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Clogged-loos-force-Air-India-Frankfurt-flight-to-return/articleshow/35916741.cms). ;)

It's a bit of a shame, really, as their domestic service has a decent overall reputation in India, and & AC's codeshare on AI's flights from LHR to India make for some of the cheapest & best connections ex-YVR. However, there is really no debate, especially when LH is usually around the same price, and airlines like CX, KE (and now AF) are only slightly more.

Klazu
Apr 18, 2015, 4:38 PM
"Some months ago, our ultra long Boeing 777 New York-Delhi flight was faced with an identical problem," the official said. "The pilots first wanted to divert to London but Heathrow was closed for the night. Then somehow one toilet became serviceable and passengers decided to fly to Delhi. The crew and some passengers rationed the use of the toilet for passengers."

The real horror was discovered when the toilets were serviced in Delhi. "Everything made available to passengers for free was found flushed down the toilet," another official said. "Dozens of small blankets and pillows, items in overnight pouches such as socks, slippers and towels were flushed down."

:D

s211
Apr 18, 2015, 5:15 PM
"Some months ago, our ultra long Boeing 777 New York-Delhi flight was faced with an identical problem," the official said. "The pilots first wanted to divert to London but Heathrow was closed for the night. Then somehow one toilet became serviceable and passengers decided to fly to Delhi. The crew and some passengers rationed the use of the toilet for passengers."

The real horror was discovered when the toilets were serviced in Delhi. "Everything made available to passengers for free was found flushed down the toilet," another official said. "Dozens of small blankets and pillows, items in overnight pouches such as socks, slippers and towels were flushed down."

:D

We have certainly come a long way from the glamour of the Jet Age.

trofirhen
Apr 18, 2015, 9:23 PM
"Some months ago, our ultra long Boeing 777 New York-Delhi flight was faced with an identical problem," the official said. "The pilots first wanted to divert to London but Heathrow was closed for the night. Then somehow one toilet became serviceable and passengers decided to fly to Delhi. The crew and some passengers rationed the use of the toilet for passengers."

The real horror was discovered when the toilets were serviced in Delhi. "Everything made available to passengers for free was found flushed down the toilet," another official said. "Dozens of small blankets and pillows, items in overnight pouches such as socks, slippers and towels were flushed down."

:D
hmmmm ..... who would do such a disgusting thing?

Hourglass
Apr 19, 2015, 3:21 AM
hmmmm ..... who would do such a disgusting thing?

People who don't fly very often, don't listen to the safety briefings, don't read signs, or are simply amused by the vacuum action of the toilets, lol.

I once sat next to a very nice lady on a flight from China to HK who clearly hadn't flown before. How do I know this? She didn't have a clue how to fasten her seatbelt, and ended up securing it like one would tie a shoelace (this was after the safety demonstration btw). I had to unknot it for her and show her how to fasten it properly. The flight attendants were rather bemused...

Johnny Aussie
Apr 22, 2015, 6:27 AM
Sunwing has updated their summer scheds and they have added two addtional weekly flights to YYZ and an additional one to CUN.

There will be a total of 15 weekly Sunwing flights out of YVR this summer.

That's up from nine last summer.

Flight breakdown is: nine weekly to YYZ, two weekly to CUN, and one weekly each to PVR, SJD, SNU and VRA. All flights operate non-stop except for one of the flights to CUN and the flight to SNU which operate via YYC in both directions.

YVR Bruce
Apr 24, 2015, 2:38 PM
June 6 is the day YYZ joins YVR in the exclusive group having decent rail transit access in this country .

'Would be nice if the Albertans would join too

trofirhen
Apr 25, 2015, 12:26 AM
June 6 is the day YYZ joins YVR in the exclusive group having decent rail transit access in this country .

'Would be nice if the Albertans would join too
Yes, not to mention something weatherproof from YUL Montreal to downtown;
Maybe the ride on the YYZ train is snazzier, but in terms of price, YVR is a much better deal.
BTW, how do you imagine the possibilty of airport rail in Alberta? That interests me. Thanks.:)

Valley_Refugee
Apr 27, 2015, 11:08 PM
Yes, not to mention something weatherproof from YUL Montreal to downtown;
Maybe the ride on the YYZ train is snazzier, but in terms of price, YVR is a much better deal.
BTW, how do you imagine the possibilty of airport rail in Alberta? That interests me. Thanks.:)

The C-Train stops not all that far from YYC now. They could easily build a spur to the airport.

twoNeurons
Apr 28, 2015, 1:10 AM
June 6 is the day YYZ joins YVR in the exclusive group having decent rail transit access in this country .

'Would be nice if the Albertans would join too

And no doubt it will be greeted in Toronto papers with "Canada's first Airport Express Rail Link" which, depending on how you look at it, would be true.

Like other express links, the Airport Line will likely skew to be more business passengers. I assume the public bus service isn't being replaced.

Coldrsx
Apr 28, 2015, 1:14 AM
June 6 is the day YYZ joins YVR in the exclusive group having decent rail transit access in this country .

'Would be nice if the Albertans would join too

Working on it.:cheers:

twoNeurons
Apr 28, 2015, 1:35 AM
The C-Train stops not all that far from YYC now. They could easily build a spur to the airport.

They could, but why haven't they? I mean, it looks like it's just fields between the C-Train and YYC, yet I haven't heard anything regarding an airport link. It's maybe 6km tops. It may require some tunnelling and some infrastructure near the airport, but it would have been great to have spent all that oil money when times were good, eh?

Large Cat
Apr 28, 2015, 2:27 AM
They could, but why haven't they? I mean, it looks like it's just fields between the C-Train and YYC, yet I haven't heard anything regarding an airport link. It's maybe 6km tops. It may require some tunnelling and some infrastructure near the airport, but it would have been great to have spent all that oil money when times were good, eh?

I know, for the love of God, it's horrible.:yuck: Everything is flat and empty, it could be SO easy.

trofirhen
Apr 28, 2015, 3:26 AM
And no doubt it will be greeted in Toronto papers with "Canada's first Airport Express Rail Link" which, depending on how you look at it, would be true.

Like other express links, the Airport Line will likely skew to be more business passengers. I assume the public bus service isn't being replaced.
At least the Canada Line is electric. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Toronto's YYZ train is diesel .... all that black soot ... until the cars are replaced down the road.

Spork
Apr 28, 2015, 4:04 AM
They could, but why haven't they? I mean, it looks like it's just fields between the C-Train and YYC, yet I haven't heard anything regarding an airport link. It's maybe 6km tops. It may require some tunnelling and some infrastructure near the airport, but it would have been great to have spent all that oil money when times were good, eh?

I believe that they have another runway planned on those fields. Don't quote me on it, but I did some cursory research while waiting in YYC on a changeover.

spaceprobe
Apr 28, 2015, 5:43 AM
I believe that they have another runway planned on those fields. Don't quote me on it, but I did some cursory research while waiting in YYC on a changeover.

They currently have an express bus to the airport. When time (and demand) is right, they intend to replace the express bus (which goes down Center Street) with a new light rail line. This would be the line that goes to the airport (rather than a spur line from the existing NE c-train route. However, the airport bus route has thus far been quite sparse in terms of passengers going to/from the airport, even though it directly brings passengers between the airport and many major hotels downtown.

There is also rumors that the future high speed rail from Calgary to Edmonton would have a stop at YYC (thus making yyc the primary airport for both cities). This seems like a pipedream...but that is the talk.