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urbancanadian
Apr 28, 2015, 9:04 AM
Yeah Calgary does plan to eventually connect the airport to their LRT system, but it is a medium-term priority. I don't know if they have decided to have it as a spur off the NE line or the future North Central line. Or if they just end up making it a short line connecting NC-NE with 2 or 3 stops in between. Here's a map of the timelines:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8069/8266488306_c07b06427a_b.jpg
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=202907

As for Edmonton... Well, their airport is just soo far away from the city that I don't see it happening any time soon.

Montreal will probably be the next city with aiport rail. Caisse de Depot (Quebec's pension fund) is apparently funding the Train de l'Ouest LRT line to YUL. I think there is even space for a station preserved under the airport's new Marriott hotel.

SFUVancouver
Apr 28, 2015, 10:26 PM
Vancouver International Airport to host luxury outlet mall

YVR mall unique in North America: ‘It will feel like you’re walking down cobbled streets, opening up in a piazza with cafes and outdoor seating’

By Evan Duggan, Special to The Sun April 28, 2015 3:15 PM

http://www.vancouversun.com/business/commercial-real-estate/cms/binary/11011535.jpg

The developers of a luxury outlet mall at Vancouver International Airport say their first shopping centre outside of Europe is set to open later this spring on schedule as management continues to finalize a list of what they’re describing as designer tenants.

The McArthurGlen Designer Outlet Vancouver Airport, a co-development with the Vancouver Airport Authority, is unique in North America’s mall landscape, said the centre’s general manager Robert Thurlow in an interview last week.

The architectural detail and environment is unlike other malls, he said. “It will feel like you’re walking down cobbled streets, opening up in a piazza with cafes and outdoor seating. It will feel very different to what I would call a traditional square box mall.”

The dining options would also not be the usual fare. “We don’t do the kind of regular food and beverage players,” he said. “We really try to work with local people … who are maybe opening up their second restaurant … rather than going with the national chains that people can get at any mall.”

He said the outlet mall is set to tap into a surging number of travellers coming through the airport.

Citing legal agreements, the developers have declined to reveal their list of tenants, but Thurlow said the mix of “luxury, premium lifestyle brands and entertainment” would draw in both “families and fashionistas.”

He said the YVR project is the firm’s first outside of Europe, where they lead the luxury outlet market. “This seemed like an absolutely natural fit, certainly partnering with YVR, but also in the location of Vancouver.”

Thurlow said the first phase is set to open later this spring with 240,000 square feet of shopping and services. The second phase of another 140,000 sq. ft would follow 18 to 24 months after the initial opening, for a total of 80 stores, he said.

The mall, located near the Templeton station, just two Canada Line stops from the YVR passenger terminal, would target travellers coming to and from the airport, Thurlow said. He referenced comments made last week at the Vancouver Board of Trade’s 2015 Aviation Forum by YVR president and CEO Craig Richmond, who said YVR has set a goal to handle an additional five million passengers by 2020.

[snip]

http://www.vancouversun.com/business/commercial-real-estate/Vancouver+International+Airport+host/11011532/story.html?__lsa=7259-d640

The headline is a bit redundant, since this has been announced some time ago, but it's good to have some more details and an update on its progress towards opening later this spring/early summer.

Johnny Aussie
Apr 29, 2015, 7:19 AM
So it looks like Sichuan will continue flying year-round.

The schedules did not show any flights past 30 October.... up until today that is... three per week throughout the winter.

Flights will arrive and depart YVR a bit earlier next winter though.

Flight 3U 8579 will arrive at 0825 and 3U 8580 will depart at 1025 on Tuesdays, Fridays and Sundays.

Happy to see they are sticking around.

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It looks like Winter 2015/2016 is already shaping up to be another good one for capacity increases on the international side of things!

So far YVR is going to see the following:

AF - new 3 per week to CDG on 772s
KE - daily to ICN on 772s (up from 5pw last winter)
NZ - daily to AKL on 772s for the peak winter (up from 6pw last winter)
BR - 5pw to TPE on 744s (up from 4pw last winter)
MU - 10pw to PVG on 332s (up from 7pw last winter)
PR - new 4pw to JFK on 343s
PR - 11pw to MNL on 77Ws and 343s (up from 7pw last winter)
QF - 3pw to SYD on 744s (flight period extended much longer than last winter)
AC - every Asian route that was a 763 in the past (NRT, PEK, PVG, ICN) will be 788 for the entire winter scheds next year.

No reductions or capacity cuts on any international route that I can see at this time... it's all +++ right now.... yes, I know it's very early!

And this is just "overseas" international... did not look at sun destination flying yet.

LeftCoaster
Apr 29, 2015, 9:07 PM
That's massive, hopefully there are some bodies to fill all those seats!

Thanks for the info Johnny, always appreciate the effort and input.

trofirhen
Apr 29, 2015, 10:32 PM
I wonder if we'll get a route into Wuhan (already to SFO on China Southern) and maybe Chong'quing,
which already has flights to Sydney, Qatar, Rome, and Helsinki.

Johnny Aussie
Apr 30, 2015, 3:55 AM
That's massive, hopefully there are some bodies to fill all those seats!

Thanks for the info Johnny, always appreciate the effort and input.

Easy breezy... and thanks!

Oh, and don't forget on Friday rouge kicks off its seasonal flights to KIX...

... but the big event of the upcoming summer scheds has to be Air Canada Express new 2 daily flights to Comox! Also kicking off on Friday!

Get those water cannons ready! :D

Johnny Aussie
May 1, 2015, 3:37 AM
What's going on in little old YVR?!

I just got called out by my kids for uttering "holy poop" when I saw these numbers!

http://yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/2_March_Traffic_Update.sflb.ashx

Overall up 8.1% (YTD up 6.0%)
Domestic up 4.1% (YTD 2.7%)
Transborder up 15.3% (YTD up 14.0%)
Asia Pacific up 10.5% (YTD up 3.3%)
Europe up 7.8% (YTD up 10.5%)
Misc Int'l up 4.0% (YTD up 3.9%)

Overall traffic is up ~ 124,000 from March 2014.
Of that over 60,000 is due to the increase in transborder, 23,000 in Asia Pacific traffic and almost 22,000 from the domestic uptick.

The int'l / domestic split is now over 50% international by quite a bit too.

SFUVancouver
May 1, 2015, 5:03 AM
What's going on in little old YVR?!

I just got called out by my kids for uttering "holy poop" when I saw these numbers!

http://yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/2_March_Traffic_Update.sflb.ashx

Overall up 8.1% (YTD up 6.0%)
Domestic up 4.1% (YTD 2.7%)
Transborder up 15.3% (YTD up 14.0%)
Asia Pacific up 10.5% (YTD up 3.3%)
Europe up 7.8% (YTD up 10.5%)
Misc Int'l up 4.0% (YTD up 3.9%)

Overall traffic is up ~ 124,000 from March 2014.
Of that over 60,000 is due to the increase in transborder, 23,000 in Asia Pacific traffic and almost 22,000 from the domestic uptick.

The int'l / domestic split is now over 50% international by quite a bit too.

Wow! Those are incredible numbers. What's going on, indeed.

Johnny Aussie
May 1, 2015, 10:14 AM
Here's a nice little summary of upcoming YVR seasonal services changes... No mention of Comox though :/

http://yvr.ca/en/Blog/Posts/Seasonal_Service_Soars_in_to_YVR.aspx

cyeg66
May 1, 2015, 3:13 PM
All I gotta say is all this growth is long overdue. Since the early 2000's, YVR has been one of the worst Canadian airport performers. It seems to finally be distancing itself from the pack. In my mind, it should be at or near 25M pax based (esp.) on its geographic location and city size. At this rate, it should get there by 2020-25.

trofirhen
May 1, 2015, 4:54 PM
That TWOV project was supposed to be announced by now.
If / When it becomes a reality, it will catapult YVR into another league, even if the changes only appear incrementally at first.
Can hardly wait.

Denscity
May 1, 2015, 5:09 PM
All I gotta say is all this growth is long overdue. Since the early 2000's, YVR has been one of the worst Canadian airport performers. It seems to finally be distancing itself from the pack. In my mind, it should be at or near 25M pax based (esp.) on its geographic location and city size. At this rate, it should get there by 2020-25.

Per capita YVR is the same or slightly higher now for passengers than Toronto's Pearson. But ya around 2008 2009 YVR stalled a bit pardon the pun.

Johnny Aussie
May 1, 2015, 7:23 PM
AC 1951 just took off from runway 26L on its way to Osaka-Kansai.

KIX is the 12th Asian airport to be connected with direct flights from YVR. Not bad!

Lots of twitter feed about the launch from YVR.... now that's a cake!

@yvrairport: To celebrate our big inaugural flight today we present Osaka Castle, in cake form! @AirCanadarouge http://twitter.com/yvrairport/status/594190625550958592/photo/1

Pic from push-back.

@yvrairport: Sayōnara! The inaugural @AirCanadarouge flight to Osaka from YVR is off to Japan: http://twitter.com/yvrairport/status/594225086850150400/photo/1

whatnext
May 1, 2015, 11:11 PM
AC 1951 just took off from runway 26L on its way to Osaka-Kansai.

KIX is the 12th Asian airport to be connected with direct flights from YVR. Not bad!

Lots of twitter feed about the launch from YVR.... now that's a cake!

@yvrairport: To celebrate our big inaugural flight today we present Osaka Castle, in cake form! @AirCanadarouge http://twitter.com/yvrairport/status/594190625550958592/photo/1

Pic from push-back.

@yvrairport: Sayōnara! The inaugural @AirCanadarouge flight to Osaka from YVR is off to Japan: http://twitter.com/yvrairport/status/594225086850150400/photo/1

The should really have a separate call sign for Rouge. Not the same product as AC mainline flights at all.

twoNeurons
May 1, 2015, 11:32 PM
AC 1951 just took off from runway 26L on its way to Osaka-Kansai.

KIX is the 12th Asian airport to be connected with direct flights from YVR. Not bad!

Lots of twitter feed about the launch from YVR.... now that's a cake!

@yvrairport: To celebrate our big inaugural flight today we present Osaka Castle, in cake form! @AirCanadarouge http://twitter.com/yvrairport/status/594190625550958592/photo/1

Pic from push-back.

@yvrairport: Sayōnara! The inaugural @AirCanadarouge flight to Osaka from YVR is off to Japan: http://twitter.com/yvrairport/status/594225086850150400/photo/1

Welcome back , YVR–KIX. We missed you! a short article on the flight: http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/05/vancouver-to-osaka-direct-flight-air-canada/

Can't wait to fly this route. I know it's rouge, but it's also direct!

Hourglass
May 1, 2015, 11:40 PM
The should really have a separate call sign for Rouge. Not the same product as AC mainline flights at all.

Yes, Singapore Airlines and their low-cost carrier Scoot have different IATA codes (SQ vs TZ). Also clear separation for branding purposes. Different strategy by AC I suppose.

Hot Rod
May 4, 2015, 3:14 AM
Welcome back , YVR–KIX. We missed you! a short article on the flight: http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/05/vancouver-to-osaka-direct-flight-air-canada/

Can't wait to fly this route. I know it's rouge, but it's also direct!

Yes, Yes, Yes!

I also can't wait to drive up to YVR and take this route, non-stop - OSAKA (Best city in Japan!!).

Woo-Hoo!

Keep 'em coming YVR!!!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CD79NU9UsAAChOY.jpg

Hot Rod
May 4, 2015, 3:19 AM
Air Canada plane, lesser/leisure product = Rouge.

Nevertheless, hopefully Osaka can blow the socks off and get more business traffic then get upgraded to 787 mainline and/or ANA/JAL add YVR-KIX in addition. Osaka (and Vancouver) are very similar, under-the-radar, underrated world cities IMO that get outshined by larger national rivals. Love 'em both and so glad they are re-connected!

One more routing I'd love to see is YVR-KIX-SIN, return SIN market by capitalizing on KIX (instead of ICN). One could dream.

Johnny Aussie
May 4, 2015, 6:42 PM
Daily year-round service starting 9 December on 737-700s. The flight will be operated as a red eye.

http://yvr.ca/en/flight-information/latest-information/15-05-04/¡Bienvenido_Aeromexico_YVR_Welcomes_New_Carrier-3547263362.aspx

AM696 MEX1800-2205YVR 73W Daily
AM697 YVR2320-0700MEX 73W Daily

This route had been rumoured for ages a few years back after Mexicana collapsed.. But hadn't heard anything recently.

This will be AM's third destination in Canada after YYZ and YUL.

AM will be YVR's 8th SkyTeam airline.

teriyaki
May 4, 2015, 7:15 PM
Love those flight times. A flight leaving at night means one can work the whole day, and then jet off at night and arrive in the morning at their destination. I just... Have to find a reason to visit Mexico now.

trofirhen
May 4, 2015, 9:32 PM
Daily year-round service starting 9 December on 737-700s. The flight will be operated as a red eye.

http://yvr.ca/en/flight-information/latest-information/15-05-04/¡Bienvenido_Aeromexico_YVR_Welcomes_New_Carrier-3547263362.aspx

AM696 MEX1800-2205YVR 73W Daily
AM697 YVR2320-0700MEX 73W Daily

This route had been rumoured for ages a few years back after Mexicana collapsed.. But hadn't heard anything recently.

This will be AM's third destination in Canada after YYZ and YUL.

AM will be YVR's 8th SkyTeam airline.
Do you think this may cause Air Canada to pull out of that route, or can it support both airlines?

Johnny Aussie
May 5, 2015, 12:17 AM
Do you think this may cause Air Canada to pull out of that route, or can it support both airlines?

I reckon it can. Aeromexico can tap into its vast network in MEX to an array of sun destinations both in Mexico and Central America. Plus I will bet we will see some sort of code share action on other Skyteam flights to TPE and PVG for example. Also, the inbound flights are timed to connect with some of the late night Asian flights, as stated in the press release. I think the YVR-MEX market is big enough to sustain both. In fact, I wouldn't rule out Interjet or Volaris entering the YVR market either.

The fact that they picked YVR as their third Canadian destination should say something about their confidence in the YVR market. They could have entered other markets where there is no direct link to MEX already.

casper
May 5, 2015, 1:53 AM
Do you think this may cause Air Canada to pull out of that route, or can it support both airlines?

For comparison

AC997 MEX0605-0955YVR 319 Daily
AC996 YVR1555-2320MEX 319 Daily

AC connecting with some of the mid-day Asia flights. The AM connects with the late night flights. No idea what the split is between connecting and local passengers.

Johnny Aussie
May 5, 2015, 4:52 AM
For comparison

AC997 MEX0605-0955YVR 319 Daily
AC996 YVR1555-2320MEX 319 Daily

AC connecting with some of the mid-day Asia flights. The AM connects with the late night flights. No idea what the split is between connecting and local passengers.

Yeah, and just watch to see what http://www.aeromexicovacations.com/ comes up with for the upcoming winter. Very timely start at 9 December.
31" pitch in economy, they also have a "tourist plus" option plus J-class on their 73Ws. And free tequila. LOL

These flights will compete with Westjet, Sunwing, Air Transat and rouge. Plus if you are a SkyTeam frequent flyer, another incentive. Despite their growth in Western Canada, Sunwing's reputation is still quite poor given their on-time performance and "last-minute route changes...." today you think you are flying non-stop, tomorrow you are now flying via Swift Current.

cyeg66
May 5, 2015, 3:11 PM
Despite their growth in Western Canada, Sunwing's reputation is still quite poor given their on-time performance and "last-minute route changes...." today you think you are flying non-stop, tomorrow you are now flying via Swift Current.

Hey, what you got against Speedy Creek?:)

Since they're looking westward, hopefully AM is thinking of someday picking up the Aberta flying as Mexicana once did. Believe it or not, not everybody is trying to get to that "other" North American country for the sole purpose of visting their beaches. Despite the fact it looks like the NDP may get to dabble with the purse here (for a couple of years), there should still be a bit of business to conduct there. :(

trofirhen
May 5, 2015, 10:09 PM
For comparison

AC997 MEX0605-0955YVR 319 Daily
AC996 YVR1555-2320MEX 319 Daily

AC connecting with some of the mid-day Asia flights. The AM connects with the late night flights. No idea what the split is between connecting and local passengers.
This connecting time convenience with Asia flights may be an augur of greater things to come. I hope so.

Johnny Aussie
May 5, 2015, 10:45 PM
The CAA (Civil Aviation Authority) in the UK has released preliminary March stats. Both LHR and LGW saw excellent growth.

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport_data_prov/201503/March_2015_Provisional_International_Routes.pdf

LHR-YVR was up 10% (about 4,000 passengers) to 44,104. That's about an 88.6% LF.
LGW-YVR was up 62% (about 1,600 passengers) to 4,286.

Overall YVR-London in March was up over 5,000 pax compared to 2014 and approaching 50,000 in a very off season month. Excellent result.

Johnny Aussie
May 6, 2015, 4:34 AM
Since last time....

United - Prepare to see a lot of 737-900 flights in late June, July and August. In fact, very few flights operating smaller than a 320. Last summer, United seemed to be obssessed with the A319 and YVR... LOL. Also, more mainline versus Express flying compared to last summer. IAD will only operate on Saturdays though. SFO is all mainline weekdays this summer.

Delta - going E75 on SLC as well and on one of the five daily SEA flights.
A320s will be put on one of the two daily flights to SLC starting mid August for the end of the summer season.

That's all for today folks.

SFUVancouver
May 6, 2015, 6:55 AM
Thanks Johnny. Love your updates. Where on earth do you find all of your information?

Johnny Aussie
May 6, 2015, 9:58 PM
Thanks Johnny. Love your updates. Where on earth do you find all of your information?

Thanks.

Johnny Aussie works in mysterious ways and has a plethora of tools at his disposal including some very enthusiastic helpers!

trofirhen
May 7, 2015, 1:06 AM
The Air France Great Circle Route to PPT (Tahiti) passes ONE MILE short of LAX !!!

Total distance: 9776 miles / 15732 km though LAX. * Through YVR: 9824 miles / 15811 km.
That's a difference of 48 miles or 79 km! :whistle: Could this potentialize an eventual route from YVR to PPT? (Qantas once had a brief run at it, but that was then and this is now).

trofirhen
May 7, 2015, 1:45 AM
That TWOV program was, is, and will become a game changer in YVR's status; if YVR gets it

Craig Richmond, angrily denounced the federal budget for containing NO provision at all for aviation.
Secondly, whereas he had earlier a predicted on TWOV at YVR to be announced by April, he is aware of the delay.
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"Separate from the budget, Richmond has yet to find satisfaction from the federal government on the issue of a travel-without-visa (TWV) program.
That program, which Richmond has lobbied hard for since being appointed VAA’s CEO in the summer of 2013 (http://www.biv.com/article/2013/10/craig-richmond-flight-plans/) , would make it possible for Asian travellers, for example, to land in Vancouver, wait in a lounge area with shops and services and then board a separate flight to Central America or South America. All of that would take place without having to get a Canadian visa or to go through Canadian customs.
He optimistically predicted in October (http://www.biv.com/article/2014/10/yvr-banks-transit-without-visa-program-help-it-bat/) that the federal government would agree to such a program “in the month or so.”
He still expects to eventually see the program be approved despite about five federal departments being involved.
If such a program is not approved, other cities, such as Dallas or Seattle, could snag the title of being North America’s gateway to Asia."
::::::

*Interesting full read, for people who were looking forward to TWOV.
https://www.biv.com/article/2015/4/nothing-federal-budget-aviation-yvr-ceo/
plants a seed oubt of doubt about the sincerity of Lisa Raitt and others. And it matters.

moosejaw
May 7, 2015, 8:57 PM
That TWOV program was, is, and will become a game changer in YVR's status; if YVR gets it

Craig Richmond, angrily denounced the federal budget for containing NO provision at all for aviation.
Secondly, whereas he had earlier a predicted on TWOV at YVR to be announced by April, he is aware of the delay.
::::::

"Separate from the budget, Richmond has yet to find satisfaction from the federal government on the issue of a travel-without-visa (TWV) program.
That program, which Richmond has lobbied hard for since being appointed VAA’s CEO in the summer of 2013 (http://www.biv.com/article/2013/10/craig-richmond-flight-plans/) , would make it possible for Asian travellers, for example, to land in Vancouver, wait in a lounge area with shops and services and then board a separate flight to Central America or South America. All of that would take place without having to get a Canadian visa or to go through Canadian customs.
He optimistically predicted in October (http://www.biv.com/article/2014/10/yvr-banks-transit-without-visa-program-help-it-bat/) that the federal government would agree to such a program “in the month or so.”
He still expects to eventually see the program be approved despite about five federal departments being involved.
If such a program is not approved, other cities, such as Dallas or Seattle, could snag the title of being North America’s gateway to Asia."
::::::

*Interesting full read, for people who were looking forward to TWOV.
https://www.biv.com/article/2015/4/nothing-federal-budget-aviation-yvr-ceo/
plants a seed oubt of doubt about the sincerity of Lisa Raitt and others. And it matters.

I would love to see this. But given DFW and SEATACS current offerings to ASIA. I dont see this happening soon. If anything MIA (miami) has the most offerings to Latin America, but even a flight from Miami to even Tokyo is a stretch by todays airline offerings. Vancouver is in the best position to offer this service however with YYZ (Toronto) current (but limited) connections to Latin America is likely to be claimed. YVR will need to land clients like LanChile perhaps Avianca or Aerolineas Argentina. Every other airline in South America is pretty sketchy.

trofirhen
May 7, 2015, 11:56 PM
I would love to see this. But given DFW and SEATACS current offerings to ASIA. I dont see this happening soon. If anything MIA (miami) has the most offerings to Latin America, but even a flight from Miami to even Tokyo is a stretch by todays airline offerings. Vancouver is in the best position to offer this service however with YYZ (Toronto) current (but limited) connections to Latin America is likely to be claimed. YVR will need to land clients like LanChile perhaps Avianca or Aerolineas Argentina. Every other airline in South America is pretty sketchy.
I realize that other cities have, and will have access to South America than YVR ever will.
The main reason I had hoped for the TWV was simply so that we'd get a few more US routes year-round, like Atlanta, Washington, and Orlando, Miami, and flights into
three South American cities: Lima, Santiago, and São Paulo. I don't think I was being overambitious. Evidently, Johnny pointed out, for example, that there is already a high O/D flight pax number Brazil to YVR. This all helps. Additionally, I was informed by a route development person at YVR that the exising bilaterals for, as example, Peru to Vancouver, are quite open.
One can hope that the same accessibity is available to Chile and Brazil.
If the government was not dragging its ass on this, we could see such routes become active, albeit incrementally. But it's still part of the action YVR would be grabbing, helping make it a truly global hub.

moosejaw
May 8, 2015, 12:13 PM
I think Lima Santiago and Sao Paulo are definite considerations for YVR destinations. And there are a good number of Brazilian foreign exchange students in Vancouver for sure. I'd just hate to see the nod go to YYZ instead of YVR.

Hourglass
May 8, 2015, 4:33 PM
I would love to see this. But given DFW and SEATACS current offerings to ASIA. I dont see this happening soon. If anything MIA (miami) has the most offerings to Latin America, but even a flight from Miami to even Tokyo is a stretch by todays airline offerings. Vancouver is in the best position to offer this service however with YYZ (Toronto) current (but limited) connections to Latin America is likely to be claimed. YVR will need to land clients like LanChile perhaps Avianca or Aerolineas Argentina. Every other airline in South America is pretty sketchy.

The big disadvantage of transiting via the US is the hassle travelers face from TSA. Also, most US airports are not well set-up to handle international transit connections. These issues are what YVR is trying to exploit.

red-paladin
May 8, 2015, 4:47 PM
Trofirhen, latest update on TWOV: http://www.vancouversun.com/touch/story.html?id=10995602

moosejaw
May 8, 2015, 6:56 PM
The big disadvantage of transiting via the US is the hassle travelers face from TSA. Also, most US airports are not well set-up to handle international transit connections. These issues are what YVR is trying to exploit.

its the same hassle that CATSA employs. I just came back from Calgary and Toronto. Other than that x ray machine, i dont see any difference.
BTW Calgarys airport is going to be real nice. And it was nice to go through YYZ Terminal 1 for a change. Ive only been in Terminal 3 whenever i visited Toronto.

trofirhen
May 8, 2015, 7:02 PM
Trofirhen, latest update on TWOV: http://www.vancouversun.com/touch/story.html?id=10995602

Thanks Red. In fact I had already read that, but I was thinking of another speech Richmond made to a business organisation, in which
he both expressed a great chagrin that there was no provision for aviation in the new federal budget.
Secondly, he remarked on the government's slowness to approve TWV. This was to have been announced late March/early April, and there seems no progress information as to when to truly expect it.
(Lastly, although not in the speech, YYZ wants the same thing(TWV), and this seems to raise the question in the minds of some: Will YYZ get it before YVR? ... Or will we not get it after all? What's happening?
In fact I was thinking of this:

https://www.biv.com/article/2015/4/nothing-federal-budget-aviation-yvr-ceo/

Johnny Aussie
May 8, 2015, 8:25 PM
The first (colourful) Edelweiss A330 of the season is about an hour and 30 minutes from touch down from ZRH.

Earlier this week the first Icelandair 757 from KEF and the first Condor 767 from FRA of the season started their YVR flights.

Not a bad first week of May for YVR with the new rouge flights to KIX as well and the Aeromexico announcement.

YVR's YouTube of the KIX launch last Friday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMXdeE5Lx2c&feature=youtu.be

Getting quite the collection of these inaugural videos ;)

trofirhen
May 9, 2015, 1:58 AM
I think Lima Santiago and Sao Paulo are definite considerations for YVR destinations. And there are a good number of Brazilian foreign exchange students in Vancouver for sure. I'd just hate to see the nod go to YYZ instead of YVR.
I would doubt that YYZ would get the TWV and not YVR.
But the government is dragging with it, YYZ wants it, too, and my fear is that YYZ will get it before Vancouver does.

LeftCoaster
May 13, 2015, 10:51 PM
Trofirhen, latest update on TWOV: http://www.vancouversun.com/touch/story.html?id=10995602

Thanks for the article. A couple things I noticed. It states that 25 million by 2020 is an ambitious goal, but in reality it's only 4.35% annual growth over the next 5 years, well under what we have seen over the last 18 months and IMO pretty attainable. To be perfectly honest, I was expecting more.

Second, he really excited me with one word, Turkey. Non-stop flights to Istanbul through Turkish or AC would be unreal, and really help link YVR to the Middle East. I'd say of my list of most desired routes, it would be number one.

Actually come to think of it, it'd be interesting to hear peoples most desired routes, trying to be realistic, say top 5. Mine are as follows:


Istanbul
Singapore
Bogota
Rio
Dehli

trofirhen
May 13, 2015, 11:40 PM
Actually come to think of it, it'd be interesting to hear peoples most desired routes, trying to be realistic, say top 5. Mine are as follows:


Istanbul
Singapore
Bogota
Rio
Dehli



Here are mine:

1. Istanbul
2. Delhi
3. São Paulo
4. Lima
5. Santiago de Chile

Denscity
May 13, 2015, 11:49 PM
Delhi
Rio
Istanbul
Largest secondary Chinese city/region not already served by YVR
Miami - It is already easy enough to get there I know but still

trofirhen
May 14, 2015, 12:15 AM
BTW, a contact at YVR told me just last week that under the present Canada-Turkey bilateral, there are only 9 flights a week allowed into Canada by Turkish.

All of,them go to YYZ or YUL, and AC has (I believe) 2 flights a day to IST from YYZ.
Also, AC apparently will not start a YVR - IST route. That's up to *A Turkish, but they can't get extra flights at the moment.

Looks like Air Canada, Ottawa, and YYZ are doing their customary "ménage à trois."

Denscity
May 14, 2015, 12:24 AM
YVR just announced on FB the 46 retailers for their McArthur Glen luxury outlet zone. Or was this already posted?

Denscity
May 14, 2015, 12:30 AM
Armani
Banana Republic
Body Shop
Cafe Artigiano
Calvin Klein
Carter’s/OshKosh
Coach
Cole Haan
GEOX
Crabtree & Evelyn
Desigual
ECCO Shoes
Estee Lauder
Fossil
Gap
Guess
Guess Accessories
Hugo Boss
The Bibo
J. Crew
Under Armour
Ammolite Jewellers
Watch Station
Levi’s
Lindt
Lole
Mavi Jeans
Mountain Warehouse
Nike
Peoples Jewellers
Polo Ralph Lauren
Polo Kids
Ports 1961
Robin’s Jean
Ryuu Izakaya
Samsonite
Secret Location
Sketchers
The Noodle House
Think Kitchen
Tommy Hilfiger
Tommy Kids
Tumi
Vans
Puma
Zwilling

moosejaw
May 14, 2015, 1:31 PM
YVR just announced on FB the 46 retailers for their McArthur Glen luxury outlet zone. Or was this already posted?

The outlet mall concept works well in south Florida with foreigners
We have an abundance of travelers that come from Brazil for the day just to buy what you would call luxury retail items
South Florida already has two malls (two of the largest in the country in terms of GSF) that run shuttles directly from the airports to the malls.
Some people do same day trips. For example its impossible to find jeans that fits an average american woman, but in Brazil the guess store carries very odd sizes.
In fact i know of several people that make a living of driving around families from Brazil in navigators and escalades shuttling families to purchase items
These items are not made to consume but to resale back in their home country. Big market

Wonder with all the upscale retailers if this mall will accommodate international travelers the same way. Pretty smart to put it adjacent to an airport.

Gordon
May 14, 2015, 2:16 PM
Does anyone know when the remaining B Gates will open?

Port Metro Vancouver has purchased 10 boarder Xpress terminals for the Canada Place cruise terminal.

Canadian74
May 14, 2015, 8:51 PM
BTW, a contact at YVR told me just last week that under the present Canada-Turkey bilateral, there are only 9 flights a week allowed into Canada by Turkish.

All of,them go to YYZ or YUL, and AC has (I believe) 2 flights a day to IST from YYZ.
Also, AC apparently will not start a YVR - IST route. That's up to *A Turkish, but they can't get extra flights at the moment.

Looks like Air Canada, Ottawa, and YYZ are doing their customary "ménage à trois."

I think AC only has 1 daily YYZ-IST, not 2 daily. Turkish is 6 weekly to YYZ and 3 weekly to YUL. If/when Turkish is allowed more flights, they will probably increase YYZ/YUL to daily before considering YVR imo.

trofirhen
May 14, 2015, 9:50 PM
I think AC only has 1 daily YYZ-IST, not 2 daily. Turkish is 6 weekly to YYZ and 3 weekly to YUL. If/when Turkish is allowed more flights, they will probably increase YYZ/YUL to daily before considering YVR imo.
I think it will be a long time before there is ever a route YVR - IST. A real shame.

Johnny Aussie
May 15, 2015, 1:21 AM
Looks like it has concluded.... started out with a 2014 Year in Review and what a year it was!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6pveUqxp-yE

Based on what is happening in 2015 so far, next year's year in review will be equally as impressive.

First time in ages YVR led the major Canadian Airports in growth and 2015 certainly not showing any signs of slowing down yet anyway. YVR solidified its second place pax numbers both overall and total international. That's right.... Canada Customs in YVR now sees the second highest volume of international passengers after YYZ.

Wasn't able to catch much because of commitments here but managed to get a bit on twitter.

YVR also launched a website for future planning and the next draft master plan.

http://yvr2057.ca/

Johnny Aussie
May 15, 2015, 4:44 AM
Been seeing a few "good news" items lately relating to Vancouver. These types of stats have a trickle effect as to YVR's recent performance and going forward.

Like YVR leading Canadian airport growth, been a very long time since I have seen a headline / story like this:

https://www.biv.com/article/2015/5/bc-lead-canada-economic-growth-2016-bmo/

Vancouver hotels lead country in revenue and occupancy:

https://www.biv.com/article/2015/5/vancouver-hotel-revenues-occupancy-lead-nation/

Vancouver ranks 15th on Global Financial Centres index:

http://www.longfinance.net/images/GFCI17_23March2015.pdf

I find this last one a bit hard to fathom -> higher than both Sydney and Melbourne which HQ all the major Australia banks?

All of this can be taken with a grain of salt of course, but it does paint a decent picture as to YVR's place in this big bad world of ours.

And like I've said a thousand times, YVR is so well connected for a city its size. And... getting better connected all the time it seems.

Food for thought!

trofirhen
May 15, 2015, 5:46 AM
It would be great if someone did a YVR takeoff / landing compilation ... including AIR FRANCE.

SpongeG
May 15, 2015, 6:05 AM
no youtube in france?

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SpongeG
May 15, 2015, 6:08 AM
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SpongeG
May 15, 2015, 6:09 AM
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Hourglass
May 15, 2015, 7:35 AM
Vancouver hotels lead country in revenue and occupancy:

Vancouver ranks 15th on Global Financial Centres index:

http://www.longfinance.net/images/GFCI17_23March2015.pdf

I find this last one a bit hard to fathom -> higher than both Sydney and Melbourne which HQ all the major Australia banks?

@Johnny - check p.12 of the report for the answer to your question. Sydney is classified as an Established Transnational, while Melbourne and Vancouver are classified as Established Players. The ranking isn't about size -- at least not directly. Otherwise Tokyo would be ahead of HK and Singapore.

Johnny Aussie
May 15, 2015, 7:57 AM
@Johnny - check p.12 of the report for the answer to your question. Sydney is classified as an Established Transnational, while Melbourne and Vancouver are classified as Established Players. The ranking isn't about size -- at least not directly. Otherwise Tokyo would be ahead of HK and Singapore.

Yeah I read quite a bit.. my thoughts were more rhetorical and thinking out loud. #15? Wow and that was up from #33 in 2008. Just seeing where Vancouver is on that list and the surrounding company it keeps is just surprising that's all.

trofirhen
May 15, 2015, 8:00 AM
Yeah I read quite a bit.. my thoughts were more rhetorical and thinking out loud. #15? Wow and that was up from #33 in 2008. Just seeing where Vancouver is on that list and the surrounding company it keeps is just surprising that's all.
All of this points up that Vancouver is a city that's going places (no pun intended)

Johnny Aussie
May 15, 2015, 8:00 AM
Thanks for posting those SpongeG

I actually have a favourites folder of youtube videos that I created called YVR inaugurals.. only because there have been so many in the last few years. There are 12 in there just from the last 2-3 years!

Hourglass
May 15, 2015, 9:13 AM
Yeah I read quite a bit.. my thoughts were more rhetorical and thinking out loud. #15? Wow and that was up from #33 in 2008. Just seeing where Vancouver is on that list and the surrounding company it keeps is just surprising that's all.

Yes, I hear you. When one thinks 'financial center', Vancouver isn't the first place that springs to mind for me lol. Too bad the RMB clearing center went to Toronto -- would've really been beneficial for Vancouver.

Sorry, I'm getting a bit off-topic...

SFUVancouver
May 15, 2015, 9:16 AM
The outlet mall concept works well in south Florida with foreigners
We have an abundance of travelers that come from Brazil for the day just to buy what you would call luxury retail items
South Florida already has two malls (two of the largest in the country in terms of GSF) that run shuttles directly from the airports to the malls.
Some people do same day trips. For example its impossible to find jeans that fits an average american woman, but in Brazil the guess store carries very odd sizes.
In fact i know of several people that make a living of driving around families from Brazil in navigators and escalades shuttling families to purchase items
These items are not made to consume but to resale back in their home country. Big market

Wonder with all the upscale retailers if this mall will accommodate international travelers the same way. Pretty smart to put it adjacent to an airport.

At the moment I am a conference in Chengdu China on airport commercial development and a statistic was shared that Chinese travellers spend 57% of their total trip expenditure (including flights, accommodation, food, etc.) on retail purchases a their destination. That's a big deal for airports and cities that are catering to the Chinese travel market.

Johnny Aussie
May 15, 2015, 6:58 PM
In late June CI is adding two additional round-trips on its YVR-TPE route.

The flights will operate on 28th and 30th June. Arriving at 1400 and departing at 1540 from YVR.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/05/15/ci-tpeyvr-jun15/

It's only two flights but hey.... they are on 744s. Get as much 744 action as you can before that beautiful bird is phased out completely.

Taipei keeps on slowly ramping up. As mentioned previously Eva Air adding a 5th weekly year-round commencing December.

Johnny Aussie
May 16, 2015, 2:23 AM
The YVR 2015 AGM is now on youtube... if you have an hour and 37 minutes available... have a watch! I haven't watched it myself yet so not sure if there is any update on the TWOV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoGo0VRyxdQ

YVR youtube channel in general is here...

https://www.youtube.com/user/airportYVR

red-paladin
May 16, 2015, 3:38 PM
I watched (mostly listened) to the AGM, and TWOV is brought up. Again it's said that it's critical to gain this ability, and there is the possibility of flights from Asia to South America.. but we are just told about the ongoing negotiations with the Federal Government. They do say that MacArthur Glen will be open in the first 2 weeks of July.

Hourglass
May 17, 2015, 1:08 AM
I watched (mostly listened) to the AGM, and TWOV is brought up. Again it's said that it's critical to gain this ability, and there is the possibility of flights from Asia to South America.. but we are just told about the ongoing negotiations with the Federal Government. They do say that MacArthur Glen will be open in the first 2 weeks of July.

On a thread on airliners.net, someone claimed Air Canada was lobbying against TWOV as it threatened their own S American flights. No idea whether this is true, but could certainly explain the delay (and why 5 government departments are involved...)

trofirhen
May 17, 2015, 1:19 AM
On a thread on airliners.net, someone claimed Air Canada was lobbying against TWOV as it threatened their own S American flights. No idea whether this is true, but could certainly explain the delay (and why 5 government departments are involved...)
It sounds typical and predictable that Air Canada would be lobbying against this. The AC fortress hub at YYZ serves many Asian destinations
and South American destinations. This is the necesary "hub" Calin Rovinescu talks about: YYZ. They're going to fight to keep everything they have.

urbanfan89
May 17, 2015, 2:58 AM
It sounds typical and predictable that Air Canada would be lobbying against this. The AC fortress hub at YYZ serves many Asian destinations
and South American destinations. This is the necesary "hub" Calin Rovinescu talks about: YYZ. They're going to fight to keep everything they have.

The government should be showing tough love to AC with this attitude. If anything, TWOV will benefit AC the most, as it instantly becomes a convenient option for Asia/USA traffic. Successful TWOV at YVR will quickly lead to TWOV introduced at YYZ, making AC one of the prime competitors on Asia/South America.

Rovinescu should be told in no uncertain terms that any more demands for protection will lead to punishment in the form of increased access granted to the Gulf Arab airlines.

trofirhen
May 17, 2015, 3:24 AM
The government should be showing tough love to AC with this attitude. If anything, TWOV will benefit AC the most, as it instantly becomes a convenient option for Asia/USA traffic. Successful TWOV at YVR will quickly lead to TWOV introduced at YYZ, making AC one of the prime competitors on Asia/South America.

Rovinescu should be told in no uncertain terms that any more demands for protection will lead to punishment in the form of increased access granted to the Gulf Arab airlines.
Thank you for the reinforcing feedback.
However, I don't think the government will show any "tough "love" to Air Canada. I think Calin Rovinescu is a hypocrite who will get away with YYZ monopolizing all the action.
And I think the foot-dragging by the government on TWOV is gearing up so that YYZ gets it first.

Johnny Aussie
May 18, 2015, 10:07 PM
So the race is now on to see who will operate the first A350 to YVR.

China Airlines has stated in 3Q 2016 for YVR.

https://talkairlines.wordpress.com/2015/05/18/talkinterior-china-airlines-hints-airbus-a350-900xwb-cabin-design-and-outlines-route-plan/

Johnny Aussie
May 19, 2015, 1:43 AM
Sorry for constantly posting good news stories! But lately that's mostly all I can find!

Looks like Vancouver will have another record year for tourism after last year's record. I suppose the stats at YVR are sort of in line with this.

http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Vancouver+tourism+They+like+they+really+like/11062670/story.html

I will really try and find something negative to post or talk about.... or how YVR is just doomed to being a backwater airport.

Johnny Aussie
May 19, 2015, 3:07 AM
Found something!

http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/korean-air-pt-2-delta-air-lines-difficult-but-potential-jv-partner-pause-on-us-latam-growth-224067

So much for Korean Air doing an ICN-YVR-LIM service.

Their plan all along was to do ICN-LAX-LIM and now that has been postponed even. Those dirty dogs! Apparently ICN-LAX-GRU is struggling and they would face some stiff competittion from LAN on ICN-LAX-LIM. Don't see why they wouldn't be able to make YVR work? :shrug:

I bet Korean pulls out of YVR altogether. That's despite them increasing YVR to daily year-round effective this upcoming winter for the first time. They're just teasing us before they pull out altogether I reckon! And I bet Aeromexico pulls out before their first flight. Just a late cruel April Fools joke!

Hourglass
May 19, 2015, 4:33 AM
Found something!

http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/korean-air-pt-2-delta-air-lines-difficult-but-potential-jv-partner-pause-on-us-latam-growth-224067

So much for Korean Air doing an ICN-YVR-LIM service.

Their plan all along was to do ICN-LAX-LIM and now that has been postponed even. Those dirty dogs! Apparently ICN-LAX-GRU is struggling and they would face some stiff competittion from LAN on ICN-LAX-LIM. Don't see why they wouldn't be able to make YVR work? :shrug:

I bet Korean pulls out of YVR altogether. That's despite them increasing YVR to daily year-round effective this upcoming winter for the first time. They're just teasing us before they pull out altogether I reckon! And I bet Aeromexico pulls out before their first flight. Just a late cruel April Fools joke!

Dunno Johnny, still stretching a bit for the bad news, methinks... :haha:

casper
May 19, 2015, 4:46 AM
Found something!

http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/korean-air-pt-2-delta-air-lines-difficult-but-potential-jv-partner-pause-on-us-latam-growth-224067

So much for Korean Air doing an ICN-YVR-LIM service.

Their plan all along was to do ICN-LAX-LIM and now that has been postponed even. Those dirty dogs! Apparently ICN-LAX-GRU is struggling and they would face some stiff competittion from LAN on ICN-LAX-LIM. Don't see why they wouldn't be able to make YVR work? :shrug:

I bet Korean pulls out of YVR altogether. That's despite them increasing YVR to daily year-round effective this upcoming winter for the first time. They're just teasing us before they pull out altogether I reckon! And I bet Aeromexico pulls out before their first flight. Just a late cruel April Fools joke!

It may be good news, perhaps they will look at moving the ICH-LAX-GRU flight to an ICH-YVR-GRU flight. The article says they can fill hall a 777-200 or A330-300 with ICH-GRU passengers. That means they only have to fill half an aircraft with YVR-GRU passengers. They have American as a competitor at LAX, they have no competitor in Vancouver. WestJet can provide some feed from Alberta, Delta some feed from Seattle. Air Canada will stick to Toronto for Brazil service. YVR looks like a better option.

Canada just needs to lighten up on the Visas. I traveled to Brazil about five years ago, the requirements a Canadian needs for a Visa was excessive, but it is reciprocal to what Canada requires. They need to open that up more.

Johnny Aussie
May 19, 2015, 6:14 AM
It may be good news, perhaps they will look at moving the ICH-LAX-GRU flight to an ICH-YVR-GRU flight. The article says they can fill hall a 777-200 or A330-300 with ICH-GRU passengers. That means they only have to fill half an aircraft with YVR-GRU passengers. They have American as a competitor at LAX, they have no competitor in Vancouver. WestJet can provide some feed from Alberta, Delta some feed from Seattle. Air Canada will stick to Toronto for Brazil service. YVR looks like a better option.

Canada just needs to lighten up on the Visas. I traveled to Brazil about five years ago, the requirements a Canadian needs for a Visa was excessive, but it is reciprocal to what Canada requires. They need to open that up more.

Whew! So there may be hope afterall! I should be able to sleep better at night again :) thanks for relieving my fears!

moosejaw
May 19, 2015, 12:22 PM
I was reading yesterday that flights to South America are being cut from the US to South America esp with Venezuela witholding cash from ticket revenue from the airlines and the Brazil economy sinking. The only South American country that added more flights is Colombia. I dont know if this will deflates YVR hopes in getting a south american gateway. In the united states, demand for routes such as Chile and Peru arent as high as Brazil, Colombia, and Argentina. The problem with Venezuela is the govt mandates all airline sales are in local currency and the airlines have to wait years to be reimbursed. The country is a victim of further govt isolation

Denscity
May 19, 2015, 5:48 PM
YVR just made an announcement regarding transferring without visas!!...

Denscity
May 19, 2015, 5:52 PM
Well it's minor just an expansion if the Chinese visa not required to include Tokyo and Soeul.

trofirhen
May 19, 2015, 5:55 PM
IF KE doesn't want to go through with it, is there a chance ASIANA might?
They're *A, and although they already serve SEA-TAC, they have nothing at all to South America.

teriyaki
May 19, 2015, 5:55 PM
I was a little disappointed that it wasn't the REAL transit visa exemption program we're all hoping for. Still, its a nice addition.

http://www.yvr.ca/en/flight-information/latest-information/15-05-19/Canada_Announces_Expansion_of_Visa-Free_Transit_Program-2915327170.aspx

Johnny Aussie
May 19, 2015, 6:41 PM
I was a little disappointed that it wasn't the REAL transit visa exemption program we're all hoping for. Still, its a nice addition.

http://www.yvr.ca/en/flight-information/latest-information/15-05-19/Canada_Announces_Expansion_of_Visa-Free_Transit_Program-2915327170.aspx

Correct and as Mr Richmond himself states "This is a huge step for YVR, British Columbia and Canada." Definitely a step forward and not a step backward.

He also says they will continue to work with Citizenshp and Immigration Canada et al to work on visa free transit to the USA and "eventually" between Asia and Latin America.

So the China Transit Program now includes ICN, NRT and HND in addition to PEK, PVG, CAN, HKG, TPE and MNL.

Oh... and... Yes this applies to Toronto as well!

twoNeurons
May 19, 2015, 7:12 PM
So the race is now on to see who will operate the first A350 to YVR.

China Airlines has stated in 3Q 2016 for YVR.

https://talkairlines.wordpress.com/2015/05/18/talkinterior-china-airlines-hints-airbus-a350-900xwb-cabin-design-and-outlines-route-plan/

How does the A350 compare to the 787? The 787 was a fantastic plane to fly on last year.

Johnny Aussie
May 19, 2015, 9:42 PM
How does the A350 compare to the 787? The 787 was a fantastic plane to fly on last year.

What a better place to look than here...

http://www.airbus.com/aircraftfamilies/passengeraircraft/a350xwbfamily/

.... and here....

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787/

Going to be on another 787-800 in a couple of weeks... have a couple of 787-900 flights coming up to, will be my first time on the -900.

As for comparisons? There are very few a350s flying commercially at the moment.... but stand by for what will be I'm sure a lot of comparisons on various travel blogs etc...

Johnny Aussie
May 19, 2015, 11:56 PM
Air Transat is rolling out their winter 2015-2016 program.

Minimal YVR changes:

1) New weekly flight to SNU
2) LGW increases from one to two weekly in February

http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/1538707/air-transat-presents-its-winter-2015-2016-program-with-an-increased-capacity

Johnny Aussie
May 21, 2015, 12:05 AM
Just read this in the Vancouver Sun.

"Our robust economy will outpace that of every other sizable Canadian city over the next few years"

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/Barbara+Yaffe+Vancouver+leading+country+economic+growth+sparking+ever+more+demand+housing/11069486/story.html#ixzz3aj7RnRBy

All of these "good news" stories definitely will have an impact on YVR's numbers now, and going forward. In addition having a solid growing economy buffers (what I will call) competitive forces in the region as well. Strengthening YVR's already impressive O&D traffic will no doubt occur. Certainly could help explain YVR's strong growth this year so far compared to others in the region.

Johnny Aussie
May 21, 2015, 12:11 AM
I am no longer a member of airliners.net but I do browse the site often as sometimes there are some very interesting threads.

There is a thread going about the new yvr2057.ca website and there has been some discussion about Turkish Airlines and wanting to start YVR.

Somebody posted a chart showing the daily traffic between Istanbul and certain North American cities.

Sorry to be a downer but YVR-IST comes in at... 15 passengers per day. It would appear to even remotely get the fed's attention this number would have to be at least double that. I don't know the source of this data but it appears to be legit. For comparison SEA comes in at a whopping 16 per day (imagine one more passenger per day!) and YYC is 7 per day.

Now, if (rumoured if) TK is interested in YVR, are they going after local traffic? Ummmmmmm... do I have to answer that? So knowing that Transport Canada generally allows access based on O&D figures, what do you think their answer will be to Turkish? I'd love to see as many airlines as possible start as many routes as possible into YVR but we need a reality check once in awhile. Unfortunately folks (well to some unfortunately), the focus will continue to be on Asia for the time being. YVR has been fortunate enough to land FI to KEF, AF to CDG, LH to MUC and increased flying on DE to FRA and WK to ZRH over the last few years to strengthen YVR-Europe ties but other than that, landing anything direct to Eastern Europe or the Middle East is going to be a tough sell.

Right or wrong that's how Canada's government plays the game......

casper
May 21, 2015, 4:58 AM
I am no longer a member of airliners.net but I do browse the site often as sometimes there are some very interesting threads.

There is a thread going about the new yvr2057.ca website and there has been some discussion about Turkish Airlines and wanting to start YVR.

Somebody posted a chart showing the daily traffic between Istanbul and certain North American cities.

Sorry to be a downer but YVR-IST comes in at... 15 passengers per day. It would appear to even remotely get the fed's attention this number would have to be at least double that. I don't know the source of this data but it appears to be legit. For comparison SEA comes in at a whopping 16 per day (imagine one more passenger per day!) and YYC is 7 per day.

Now, if (rumoured if) TK is interested in YVR, are they going after local traffic? Ummmmmmm... do I have to answer that? So knowing that Transport Canada generally allows access based on O&D figures, what do you think their answer will be to Turkish? I'd love to see as many airlines as possible start as many routes as possible into YVR but we need a reality check once in awhile. Unfortunately folks (well to some unfortunately), the focus will continue to be on Asia for the time being. YVR has been fortunate enough to land FI to KEF, AF to CDG, LH to MUC and increased flying on DE to FRA and WK to ZRH over the last few years to strengthen YVR-Europe ties but other than that, landing anything direct to Eastern Europe or the Middle East is going to be a tough sell.

Right or wrong that's how Canada's government plays the game......

That may be a good thing. AF and KLM have done quite a bit of expansion in Western Canada. It would be good if they get a chance to turn those into solid daily and year round routes before we any new entrants.

Same holds for some of the new routes to Asia.

trofirhen
May 22, 2015, 4:40 AM
Moving away from Japan, Europe, or Istanbul for the moment, I got thinking how YVR might make a good Oceania hub, and I'm sure the traffic is there.

From Seattle to Sydney through LAX, it's 8459 miles. Through YVR, 7904 miles. Wow, we already have a modest edge in distance.
Seattle has no flights to Oceania, and unless other airlines offer super deals through SFO or LAX,
there might be a YVR market that would take in a number of Seattle pax as well as Canadian.
The standard (correct me if I'm wrong) exchange rate is about 80c US to the $CAD. Paying in $CAD money (if allowed) lops off 20 per cent of the price, right there, for US customers,
although I'll let the financial people set that one straight.

{AC announced dreamliner service YVR to BNE for 2015 some time back, but it has yet to appear. ... What happened, Mr. Rovinescu?}:naughty:

This "northwest hub" may be unfeasible for any number of reasons, and I'm sure to get feedback as to why, but if it could work, YVR could be a PNW Oceania hub
and if BNE and MEL were added, I'm sure the regional (Vancouver/Seattle combined) air market (approx 8 million pop) could support that if airlines will venture such participation.
Feedback?

Jebby
May 22, 2015, 5:17 AM
From Seattle to Sydney through LAX, it's 8459 miles. Through YVR, 7904 miles. Wow, we already have a modest edge in distance.


12,493 km/7,763 mi
Distance from Vancouver, BC to Sydney NSW

12,462 km/7,744 mi
Distance from Seattle, WA to Sydney NSW

casper
May 22, 2015, 5:44 AM
Moving away from Japan, Europe, or Istanbul for the moment, I got thinking how YVR might make a good Oceania hub, and I'm sure the traffic is there.

From Seattle to Sydney through LAX, it's 8459 miles. Through YVR, 7904 miles. Wow, we already have a modest edge in distance.
Seattle has no flights to Oceania, and unless other airlines offer super deals through SFO or LAX,
there might be a YVR market that would take in a number of Seattle pax as well as Canadian.
The standard (correct me if I'm wrong) exchange rate is about 80c US to the $CAD. Paying in $CAD money (if allowed) lops off 20 per cent of the price, right there, for US customers,
although I'll let the financial people set that one straight.

{AC announced dreamliner service YVR to BNE for 2015 some time back, but it has yet to appear. ... What happened, Mr. Rovinescu?}:naughty:

This "northwest hub" may be unfeasible for any number of reasons, and I'm sure to get feedback as to why, but if it could work, YVR could be a PNW Oceania hub
and if BNE and MEL were added, I'm sure the regional (Vancouver/Seattle combined) air market (approx 8 million pop) could support that if airlines will venture such participation.
Feedback?

You should include HNL as a competing route.

trofirhen
May 22, 2015, 6:01 AM
12,493 km/7,763 mi
Distance from Vancouver, BC to Sydney NSW

12,462 km/7,744 mi
Distance from Seattle, WA to Sydney NSW

Seattle does not have Austraia /NZ service yet, and most US pax go through LAX. Sure, if Seattle gets SYD direct, it'll be shorter than from YVR.
But the distance SEA-YVR-SYD is shorter than SEA-LAX-SYD, according to the airmiles calculator. Those are the routings I referred to.
Please observe:
http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance3/sea-to-lax-syd/
http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance3/sea-to-yvr-syd/
You should include HNL as a competing route.
Of course! Thanks for reminding me.
I'm still sure we could have a Pacific Hub here, even if not on the scale of LAX or SFO.

whatnext
May 23, 2015, 4:30 PM
A shot I took of the west side of the Macarthur Glen project yesterday. Banana Republic and Gap, pretty standard outlet mall fare. Maybe the "luxury retailers" are in the centre. You can see the faux chateau entrance on the far left. Lots of surface parking.

http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy177/Whatnext2010/20150522_182042_zpspch1pwxo.jpg (http://s789.photobucket.com/user/Whatnext2010/media/20150522_182042_zpspch1pwxo.jpg.html)

Valley_Refugee
May 24, 2015, 5:02 AM
{AC announced dreamliner service YVR to BNE for 2015 some time back, but it has yet to appear. ... What happened, Mr. Rovinescu?}

Give them a chance to take delivery...

Johnny Aussie
May 24, 2015, 1:14 PM
Give them a chance to take delivery...

They are receiving the 787-900s very soon... YYZ-YVR will be their launch route in August for trial runs before they are put on YYZ-DEL, YYZ-DXB and YYZ-HND.

For the record AC never announced YVR-BNE. The speculation is based on a few statements made by Rovinescu and others that AC is "looking into" a second destination in Australia. Also the 2013 Investors Day presentation had a slide of potential 787 routes and BNE was one of them. So far from an "announcement."

trofirhen
May 24, 2015, 3:35 PM
They are receiving the 787-900s very soon... YYZ-YVR will be their launch route in August for trial runs before they are put on YYZ-DEL, YYZ-DXB and YYZ-HND.

For the record AC never announced YVR-BNE. The speculation is based on a few statements made by Rovinescu and others that AC is "looking into" a second destination in Australia. Also the 2013 Investors Day presentation had a slide of potential 787 routes and BNE was one of them. So far from an "announcement."

There was an announcement made with route maps for the 787. YYZ got most (which is normal), YUL a few, and YVR had BNE and FRA listed in red, on the map, as future 787 routes, and it was announced for 2015. That' all I know on that, but it was on an Air Canada site nevertheless.

Johnny Aussie
May 24, 2015, 7:37 PM
There was an announcement made with route maps for the 787. YYZ got most (which is normal), YUL a few, and YVR had BNE and FRA listed in red, on the map, as future 787 routes, and it was announced for 2015. That' all I know on that, but it was on an Air Canada site nevertheless.

https://www.aircanada.com/en/about/media/presentations/documents/investor_day_2013.pdf

Page 57. This is not an announcement. This route map shows possible routes that the 787 could fly based on range and a market that is right-sized for a 787. No mention of 2015. The only new route on this map that has been officially announced is Delhi.

Unless you are referring to something else.

SFUVancouver
May 24, 2015, 8:51 PM
I had hoped that a YVR-BNE flight comes together in the next year or so, since that would be an ideal route since I'm doing work on the Gold Coast. I just got home from a round-about itinerary that took me from YVR-HKG, HKG-CTU, CTU-HKG, HKG-BNE, OOL-SYD, and SYD-YVR. The quick flight from OOL to SYD and then a direct flight to YVR isn't bad, but a direct flight to and from Brisbane would be heaven.

Looking forward to eventually taking a 787. The 777-300ER is still my favourite airplane to fly in today. I took a Air Canada 777-200LR from SYD to YVR and I have to say that I was pleasantly surprised that economy was 3-3-3 seating. I was expecting 3-4-3. I was still in the very middle seat, though.

deasine
May 24, 2015, 9:02 PM
I had hoped that a YVR-BNE flight comes together in the next year or so, since that would be an ideal route since I'm doing work on the Gold Coast. I just got home from a round-about itinerary that took me from YVR-HKG, HKG-CTU, CTU-HKG, HKG-BNE, OOL-SYD, and SYD-YVR. The quick flight from OOL to SYD and then a direct flight to YVR isn't bad, but a direct flight to and from Brisbane would be heaven.

Looking forward to eventually taking a 787. The 777-300ER is still my favourite airplane to fly in today. I took a Air Canada 777-200LR from SYD to YVR and I have to say that I was pleasantly surprised that economy was 3-3-3 seating. I was expecting 3-4-3. I was still in the very middle seat, though.

The 3-4-3 seating configuration is only limited to their HD aircrafts (interestingly at boarding, they often announce it is a their high density version of the aircraft as if this is a good thing for passengers...). However, AC has mentioned they will be eventually refurbishing their planes and you would expect this would mean older 777s would be installing the 3-4-3 configuration.

Johnny Aussie
May 24, 2015, 11:12 PM
Another positive that directly affects YVR pax numbers... especially to LAX of course.

Hit the $2 billion mark for the first time for the year ended 31 March 2015. Up $500M from the previous year.

The weaker CAD has certainly helped.

http://www.vancouversun.com/entertainment/Vancouver+film+industry+goes+with+bang/11076459/story.html