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Johnny Aussie
Jul 30, 2015, 9:13 PM
http://yvr.ca/en/flight-information/latest-information/15-07-30/British_Airways_Announces_First_A380_Service_in_Vancouver.aspx

First indication the A380 will be summer seasonal.

"British Airways will operate the A380 daily from Vancouver to London for the summer season."

Not surprised. The 388 is just too large for the winter season.

Klazu
Jul 30, 2015, 9:15 PM
My frequent flyer clubs of choice are from British Airways and Lufthansa, mostly due to traveling back to home when flying overseas. I also like how BA makes it possible to have a family account for gathering points. Haven't seen that on many other airlines.

I originally had Finnair's card, but that was just awful. I also fly so little that I mostly use my miles for buying Christmas presents from their webstores. BA points are also great for reserving free hotel nights.

I never went with the Aeroplan not do I gather Airmiles as I have understood that people have really hard time spending those anywhere. The whole frequent card business is also nonsense unless you fly a lot for work, which is the only chance to start really enjoying some benefits. For normal mortals they are pretty useless IMO.

I am sure our more frequently flying forumers have something to add to that. :)

Johnny Aussie
Jul 30, 2015, 10:03 PM
My frequent flyer clubs of choice are from British Airways and Lufthansa, mostly due to traveling back to home when flying overseas. I also like how BA makes it possible to have a family account for gathering points. Haven't seen that on many other airlines.

I originally had Finnair's card, but that was just awful. I also fly so little that I mostly use my miles for buying Christmas presents from their webstores. BA points are also great for reserving free hotel nights.

I never went with the Aeroplan not do I gather Airmiles as I have understood that people have really hard time spending those anywhere. The whole frequent card business is also nonsense unless you fly a lot for work, which is the only chance to start really enjoying some benefits. For normal mortals they are pretty useless IMO.

I am sure our more frequently flying forumers have something to add to that. :)

Virgin Australia's Velocity program also allows family pooling which also helps expedite you to the higher tiers faster.

This is my last year with Aeroplan too. Good riddance!

Every year though FF plans keep scaling back benefits and making it harder to obtain status, more difficult to use for redemption flights , fees are going up upon redemption etc...

CareerShow
Jul 30, 2015, 10:06 PM
http://yvr.ca/en/flight-information/latest-information/15-07-30/British_Airways_Announces_First_A380_Service_in_Vancouver.aspx

First indication the A380 will be summer seasonal.

"British Airways will operate the A380 daily from Vancouver to London for the summer season."

Not surprised. The 388 is just too large for the winter season.
What aircraft will they run in the winter time then, 772, 77W, or 747? Im still looking for at least a 3 weekly additional service next summer in addition to the a380.

nname
Jul 30, 2015, 10:21 PM
Virgin Australia's Velocity program also allows family pooling which also helps expedite you to the higher tiers faster.

This is my last year with Aeroplan too. Good riddance!

I think ANA and JAL also allows family pooling for non-Japanese I think. I'm actually thinking of switching to ANA from Aeroplan (which I just switched from EVA Air's program a few years back, as Aeroplan is much easier to get rewards, if anyone can believe this...)

Johnny Aussie
Jul 30, 2015, 10:52 PM
What aircraft will they run in the winter time then, 772, 77W, or 747? Im still looking for at least a 3 weekly additional service next summer in addition to the a380.

When the first schedule change occurred and it went from 12 weekly 744s to 12 weekly 772s I thought there is no way that will stick. That was way too much of a reduction. Then when the scheds went to a daily A380 and the 5 weekly 772, that would have been overkill. A daily A380 is pretty good actually as it does cover the premium market but perhaps a bit low for the Y market. But perhaps they will add maybe a 3 weekly supplement on a 772 or even a 788? :)

Winter - a 77W would suffice for sure. But perhaps back to the 744 whilst they still have them.

I think ANA and JAL also allows family pooling for non-Japanese I think. I'm actually thinking of switching to ANA from Aeroplan (which I just switched from EVA Air's program a few years back, as Aeroplan is much easier to get rewards, if anyone can believe this...)

I will agree with you on that. I have found getting redemption seats on Aeroplan to be not that bad. The odd pain but overall not toooo bad. For me it was the e-upgrade system and the AC metal requirement.

LeftCoaster
Jul 30, 2015, 11:44 PM
Given their current capacity and a bit of growth factored in what would be a good combination for next summer? 380 and a daily 767 or 787?

Johnny Aussie
Jul 31, 2015, 12:23 AM
Given their current capacity and a bit of growth factored in what would be a good combination for next summer? 380 and a daily 767 or 787?

Their 763s are being phased out. Hard to tell at this point. So far it looks like it will be just the daily A380. I do find that airlines are rolling out their future plans earlier and earlier. At least publicly stating them I suppose.

:shrug:

Johnny Aussie
Jul 31, 2015, 12:44 AM
Just released by YVR

http://yvr.ca/en/flight-information/latest-information/15-07-30/YVR_Welcomes_Latest_Expansion_to_Canada_s_China_Transit_Program.aspx

Five Chinese cities have been added to the Canada / China Transit Programs.

The new cities are: Xiamen, Fuzhou, Chengdu, Shenyang and Harbin.

That should pave the way for a nice Xiamen launch? ;)

These cities are added to Beijing, Hong Kong, Guangzhou, Shanghai, Manila, Taipei, Tokyo (both NRT and HND) and Seoul as the current approved cities/airports.

"Airlines currently participating in the program are: Air Canada, Air Canada rouge, Air China, WestJet, Cathay Pacific, Philippine Airlines, China Southern, Jazz Air, Sky Regional Airlines and Air Georgian."

So they need to get China Eastern and Sichuan on board too.... and then Hainan.

Johnny Aussie
Jul 31, 2015, 7:40 AM
Condor and Edelweiss have just released their 2016 flight schedules.

Condor will maintain its four weekly service and on the same days as this year (Mon, Wed, Sat and Sun)

Edelweiss is also maintaining their three weekly service. However, they are moving from a Mon, Wed, Fri operation to a Tue, Thu, Sat operation.

Johnny Aussie
Jul 31, 2015, 9:46 PM
Another great result. YVR just keeps rolling along.

Decent positive growth in all sectors. Big upticks in transborder, Asia Pacific and Europe.

http://www.yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/June_2015_Traffic_Update.sflb.ashx

Overall up 4.9% YTD up 5.2%

Domestic up 2.6% YTD up 2.4%
Transborder up 6.2% YTD up 11.1%
Asia Pacific up 8.9% YTD up 3.6%
Europe up 7.7% YTD up 8.2%
Misc Int'l up 5.3% YTD up 7.3%

June 2015 is up over 84,400 passengers compared to June 2014.
YTD June 2015 is up over 480,000 compared to the same period last year.

Cargo up 10.0% YTD up 11.5%. Highest June ever.

trofirhen
Jul 31, 2015, 10:29 PM
http://www.yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/June_2015_Traffic_Update.sflb.ashx

Checking this, if every month of the year was like June in Pax Volume, we'd have 21,865,000 pax this year.
Are there any other peak months that might take up the off-season slack at all?
I don't think the cited number is attainable this year, but I understand it is predicted to be 20 million and x hundred thousand.

trofirhen
Jul 31, 2015, 10:59 PM
Just released by YVR

http://yvr.ca/en/flight-information/latest-information/15-07-30/YVR_Welcomes_Latest_Expansion_to_Canada_s_China_Transit_Program.aspx

Five Chinese cities have been added to the Canada / China Transit Programs...........

"Airlines currently participating in the program are: Air Canada, Air Canada rouge, Air China, WestJet, Cathay Pacific, Philippine Airlines, China Southern, ........
So they need to get China Eastern and Sichuan on board too.... and then Hainan.
Is there a reason China Eastern and Sichuan might be delayed or even unwilling to sign (though I cannot imagine that!)
Political/$$$/other causes?
Or is the just the passage of the administrative processing over a given time? I assume maybe Hainan would be last as it's the most recent to announce an new route.
But What about China Eastern and Sichuan? I would have thought China Eastern would be among the first.

Johnny Aussie
Aug 2, 2015, 12:22 AM
Is there a reason China Eastern and Sichuan might be delayed or even unwilling to sign (though I cannot imagine that!)
Political/$$$/other causes?
Or is the just the passage of the administrative processing over a given time? I assume maybe Hainan would be last as it's the most recent to announce an new route.
But What about China Eastern and Sichuan? I would have thought China Eastern would be among the first.

Cannot really see why China Eastern or Sichuan are not on the list.

Perhaps we should email them the link to the application process ;)

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/ctp/authorities.asp

Johnny Aussie
Aug 2, 2015, 5:09 AM
This helps explain some of the growth.. especially the increase in transborder this year.

American, European, Chinese and Middle Eastern tourist numbers up up up and up.

http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Vancouver+hotel+market+heats+American+visitors+return/11258723/story.html

"Barnes, who has been with Fairmont since 2004, said it’s the strongest summer hotel market he has ever seen in Vancouver"

Klazu
Aug 2, 2015, 5:48 AM
Yeah, almost every hotel room and accommodation in Vancouver has been fully booked all summer. It has been difficult for people to travel to Vancouver on business with no availability at certain times.

casper
Aug 2, 2015, 5:06 PM
Yeah, almost every hotel room and accommodation in Vancouver has been fully booked all summer. It has been difficult for people to travel to Vancouver on business with no availability at certain times.

Any new hotels under construction?

hollywoodnorth
Aug 2, 2015, 11:08 PM
Any new hotels under construction?

http://trumpvancouver.com/

along with the 2 at the Casino @ BC Place

casper
Aug 3, 2015, 4:11 AM
http://trumpvancouver.com/

along with the 2 at the Casino @ BC Place

I always thought of the TRUMP building a residential tower but it is a hotel.

Wow what a website together with the Videos that defies a certain "hotel experience" that says "Second generation money, with no discipline or responsibility". The airport may need to add more spots for private jets.

SFUVancouver
Aug 3, 2015, 7:19 PM
http://yvr.ca/en/flight-information/latest-information/15-07-30/British_Airways_Announces_First_A380_Service_in_Vancouver.aspx

First indication the A380 will be summer seasonal.

"British Airways will operate the A380 daily from Vancouver to London for the summer season."

Not surprised. The 388 is just too large for the winter season.

How about that!? I pleased as punch with the news. Totally called it! :D

Johnny Aussie
Aug 3, 2015, 11:20 PM
Spotter alert...

Air Canada's first revenue 787-900 flight from YYZ-YVR is scheduled tomorrow 4th August.

AC 105 ETA YVR 1154
AC 102 ETD YVR 1400

So YVR-YYZ will have pretty much all the AC larger mainline equipment on it for the next month...

320, 321, 788, 789, 77L and the 77W. Only ones missing on dometic routes are the 763 and the 333 (although YVR-YUL still sees that daily). On the smaller side, even the 319 makes a once per week rotation.

Edit: From twitter...

Pulling into the gate:

@yvrairport: This beautiful @AirCanada bird now at YVR! The @Boeing 787-9 #Dreamliner has arrived ✈️ https://vine.co/v/eHUrVDdHZ1n

And departing:

@yvrairport: See you tomorrow! Wheels up on the inaugural @AirCanada 787-9 @boeing #Dreamliner flight from YVR: http://twitter.com/yvrairport/status/628681504026050560/photo/1

nname
Aug 5, 2015, 6:15 PM
So the BA A380 is indeed summer-only with frequency reduced from 12x weekly to daily. The service will return to 747 in the winter.


A380 and frequency consolidation on London Heathrow – Vancouver in Summer 2016

British Airways will up-gauge the BA85/84 flight to an A380 and cancel the BA87/86 during the peak summer season

For the period between 1st May and 1st October, British Airways will up-gauge the BA85/84 from a 747 to an A380 and cancel the BA87/86 service currently operating 5 times a week

For the remaining period of the summer S16 season, the route will remain on a daily 747 service

LHRYVR schedule in Summer 2016

27Mar–30Apr16 and 02Oct – 29Oct16
BA 85 LHR-YVR 17:15 18:40 Daily 747
BA 84 YVR-LHR 20:50 14:00* Daily 747

01May – 01Oct16
BA 85 LHR-YVR 17:15 18:40 Daily A380
BA 84 YVR-LHR 20:50 14:00* Daily A380


(source (http://www.speedbirdclub.com/nl/all-news/news/twentyfifteen/august/lhryvrairbus/))

LeftCoaster
Aug 5, 2015, 11:28 PM
Another great result. YVR just keeps rolling along.

Decent positive growth in all sectors. Big upticks in transborder, Asia Pacific and Europe.

http://www.yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/June_2015_Traffic_Update.sflb.ashx

Overall up 4.9% YTD up 5.2%

Domestic up 2.6% YTD up 2.4%
Transborder up 6.2% YTD up 11.1%
Asia Pacific up 8.9% YTD up 3.6%
Europe up 7.7% YTD up 8.2%
Misc Int'l up 5.3% YTD up 7.3%

June 2015 is up over 84,400 passengers compared to June 2014.
YTD June 2015 is up over 480,000 compared to the same period last year.

Cargo up 10.0% YTD up 11.5%. Highest June ever.

Great intl' numbers hiding some really mediocre/poor domestic numbers. Nice to see AsiaPac bounce back after a slow start to the year.

I wonder what the load factors on the domestic routes are like and if a simple lack of capacity is constraining domestic growth. Every YVR to YYZ flight I'm on is totally rammed.

Johnny Aussie
Aug 5, 2015, 11:44 PM
Great intl' numbers hiding some really mediocre/poor domestic numbers. Nice to see AsiaPac bounce back after a slow start to the year.

I wonder what the load factors on the domestic routes are like and if a simple lack of capacity is constraining domestic growth. Every YVR to YYZ flight I'm on is totally rammed.

Again, it's relative. Looking at the neighbouring airports, the domestic slump in places like AB and certain BC airports has to be having an impact on YVR. But like you say I am sure transcon flights aren't hurting. But it is still positive growth and not contracting!
Similar to Australia, some airports now producing some dismal domestic numbers but stellar international figures. Those areas affected by resource industry slowdowns quite noticeable now.

Yeah, almost every hotel room and accommodation in Vancouver has been fully booked all summer. It has been difficult for people to travel to Vancouver on business with no availability at certain times.

You are so right! Bloody hell! I just looked at hotel availability over the next few weeks and what the?!

Hot Rod
Aug 6, 2015, 4:58 AM
Time for more hotels to be built. I'm certain that Vancouver could benefit with several more thousand hotel rooms and brands currently not downtown in all spectrums including:

Mandarin Oriental
Ritz Carlton
JW Marriott
Intercontinental
Conrad
LeMeridian
St Regis

Hilton (under construction, right?)
Grand or Park Hyatt (personally, I'd like to see a Grand Hyatt in Yaletown and a Park Hyatt in Coal Harbour near the park)
Doubletree
Crowne Plaza
W

Embassy Suites
Holiday Inn (a NEW ONE)

aLoft

maybe a few more international brands.

Johnny Aussie
Aug 6, 2015, 8:20 AM
Time for more hotels to be built. I'm certain that Vancouver could benefit with several more thousand hotel rooms and brands currently not downtown....

Quite the list! Would be nice to get some... I would be thrilled to see either a Conrad, Hilton or Doubletree downtown.

However, you are right, when conditions get like this, development is spurred. I used to have quite a few hotel clients back in the day and, just like the airline traffic into YVR, Vancouver is still very seasonal. Hotels make all their money May-September. Throw in a few break even months and a few loss months, still decent overall results for the year as a whole. Makes for some very careful cash flow planning.

You have a ? about a Hilton under construction? Please say this is true. Even the Hampton Inn downtown is asking for outrageous $$$. $479 for a Hampton Inn??

A Ritz Carlton was in the cards but that fell apart. I believe that is where Trump is now building.

SFUVancouver
Aug 6, 2015, 6:30 PM
An Ibis & Novotel combo would be a good fit, too. Good price point, recognized international brands, potentially a good fit for an irregular or constrained site due to Ibis' small format rooms and the hotels' shared back of house operations.

phesto
Aug 6, 2015, 6:49 PM
I was talking to a hotel manager recently and he said this has been the best summer on record for most of the downtown hotels, but the winters haven't really improved and so seasonality is just as bad as ever and rates are quite low.

I'm sure we'll see a handful of new hotels as part of larger projects in the next few years (like Canada Post site), but I don't think the economics work to buy a piece of land and build a hotel-only tower.

SFUVancouver
Aug 6, 2015, 7:11 PM
There are a couple of hotel projects in the pipeline in Richmond along the Canada Line, and the operators of the Hilton are investing in renovations and upgrades (they just re-did their ballroom and conference facilities). Perhaps that stalled hotel reno at 12th & Cambie could find its footing again and proceed. It was going to be a Hotel Indigo. I could see a hotel-anchored project going into the site that's currently a parking lot beside Olympic Village station. The views of downtown and False Creek would be spectacular from the upper floors and the views looking back on Fairview Slopes wouldn't be a hardship, either. It's on transit, downtown-but-not-downtown, easy car access and parking, and truly within walking distance of big draws Granville Island and the False Creek Seawall.

Any thoughts on whether the eventual Transborder Terminal project at YVR would include a second airport hotel? This could be an expansion of the Fairmont YVR or a new freestanding property. That hotel recently won SkyTrax 'best NA airport hotel' and with additional long-haul flights to China, I could see baseline demand for crew layover accommodation helping justify the project.

whatnext
Aug 6, 2015, 7:32 PM
An Ibis & Novotel combo would be a good fit, too. Good price point, recognized international brands, potentially a good fit for an irregular or constrained site due to Ibis' small format rooms and the hotels' shared back of house operations.

Does Accor offer the Ibis brand in North America?

It is suprising the long list of major hoteliers who don't have a presence in a market the size of Vancouver.

trofirhen
Aug 6, 2015, 7:44 PM
I wonder what the load factors on the domestic routes are like and if a simple lack of capacity is constraining domestic growth. Every YVR to YYZ flight I'm on is totally rammed.
I sometimes think that a regular, at-least-once-per-hour-may-every-half-hour in busy periods might provide better, easier customer service: almost like a commuter jet run between a large city pair. This is not, of course SFO-LAX, but it seems to warrant more frequency than it already has.

SFUVancouver
Aug 6, 2015, 7:58 PM
I was on one of those rammed YYZ-YVR flights this weekend coming back from Switzerland and was happily surprised with an upgrade to business class. In the roundabout nature of buying flights these days, I booked through Expedia for Swiss Airlines, which was actually an all-Air Canada code-share set of flights from YVR-YUL-GVA-YUL-YYZ-YVR. When the YYZ-YVR flight filled up I guess I had enough criteria to get the bump. I have been almost exclusively flying with One World airlines for work, so I didn't even have status with Air Canada, which makes me think it was the Swiss-booked tickets and international routing that did the trick. It was a quite pleasant flight; I've never flown business with Air Canada before and the product was pretty great, actually. The flight attendant was hands-down the best I've ever met, making me think that she was perhaps ex-Canadian Airlines.

trofirhen
Aug 6, 2015, 8:01 PM
An Ibis & Novotel combo would be a good fit, too. Good price point, recognized international brands, potentially a good fit for an irregular or constrained site due to Ibis' small format rooms and the hotels' shared back of house operations.
I think you're talking about the ACCOR hotel group in France, which include the hotels you mentioned. Novotel is their classic brand name, Sofitel is the most "haute gamme" and Ibis is (in France anyway) more budget-oriented.
An ACCOR hotel presence would perhaps benefit Air France in some way, or vice versa: in revenue, of course.

http://www.accorhotels-group.com/fr/marques/carnet-des-marques.html

SFUVancouver
Aug 6, 2015, 9:35 PM
I think you're talking about the ACCOR hotel group in France, which include the hotels you mentioned. Novotel is their classic brand name, Sofitel is the most "haute gamme" and Ibis is (in France anyway) more budget-oriented.
An ACCOR hotel presence would perhaps benefit Air France in some way, or vice versa: in revenue, of course.

http://www.accorhotels-group.com/fr/marques/carnet-des-marques.html

Ibis is certainly their more budget-oriented brand, further accentuated by their Ibis-Budget sub-brand product. The clever pairing of a value-focused hotel brand (Ibis) and a mainline modest 3-4 star hotel brand (Novotel) that share a back of house (laundry, kitchens, utilities, parking structure, etc.) and loyalty rewards program make these a smart business travel option and are very well suited for the MICE (convention & meetings) customer. You can have a whole team in the same physical place with a long continuum of price points from which to choose.

I know that Accor's Ibis-Novotel presence is pretty strong in South America (particularly Brazil) and Australia, but I'm not sure if they've made a move into the competitive North American market.

trofirhen
Aug 6, 2015, 10:50 PM
Ibis is certainly their more budget-oriented brand, further accentuated by their Ibis-Budget sub-brand product. The clever pairing of a value-focused hotel brand (Ibis) and a mainline modest 3-4 star hotel brand (Novotel) that share a back of house (laundry, kitchens, utilities, parking structure, etc.) and loyalty rewards program make these a smart business travel option and are very well suited for the MICE (convention & meetings) customer. You can have a whole team in the same physical place with a long continuum of price points from which to choose.

I know that Accor's Ibis-Novotel presence is pretty strong in South America (particularly Brazil) and Australia, but I'm not sure if they've made a move into the competitive North American market.
Let's hope it may happen; if not immediately, the when we get the TWV. . (The TWV pax are in a designated area, soaking up totem poles and Emily Carr) However, YVR will be busier all-round, and the need for non TWV passengers will need to be met, too. A ways off, I know, but it's good to plan. Hm?;)

casper
Aug 7, 2015, 12:41 AM
Ibis is certainly their more budget-oriented brand, further accentuated by their Ibis-Budget sub-brand product. The clever pairing of a value-focused hotel brand (Ibis) and a mainline modest 3-4 star hotel brand (Novotel) that share a back of house (laundry, kitchens, utilities, parking structure, etc.) and loyalty rewards program make these a smart business travel option and are very well suited for the MICE (convention & meetings) customer. You can have a whole team in the same physical place with a long continuum of price points from which to choose.

I know that Accor's Ibis-Novotel presence is pretty strong in South America (particularly Brazil) and Australia, but I'm not sure if they've made a move into the competitive North American market.

There I a Novotel in Ottawa.

Klazu
Aug 7, 2015, 1:58 AM
There I a Novotel in Ottawa.

I have also stayed in a 5* Sofitel in New York City, so there are some Accor hotels in North America. Ibis and Mercure are convenient 2* and 3* hotels when traveling in Europe. Mostly newish and well-located. Can recommend.

Klazu
Aug 7, 2015, 2:00 AM
Even the Hampton Inn downtown is asking for outrageous $$$. $479 for a Hampton Inn?

Now, now. I am sure that price includes a complimentary continental breakfast. ;)

Klazu
Aug 7, 2015, 7:00 PM
Anyone having flexible schedule this fall can enjoy some great bargains from YVR. Just check out some reference prices from Flight Center and then look for yourself: http://www.flightcentre.ca/worldwide-deals

I could find return fares from YVR to HKG for as low as $650 CAD (all taxes included) next month! I am really tempted to pick one of those, but my wife has such a busy work. :(

vanlaw
Aug 7, 2015, 7:50 PM
I could find return fares from YVR to HKG for as low as $650 CAD (all taxes included) next month! I am really tempted to pick one of those, but my wife has such a busy work. :(

I booked that flight/price earlier this week for travel early next year. It is ridiculously low. However, downside is it is on AC's cattle car 777HD. I had second thoughts for a moment, but was booking 4 tickets, so the price differential won the day. Lots of cheap budget flights from HK to sun destinations.

Johnny Aussie
Aug 7, 2015, 11:59 PM
Anyone having flexible schedule this fall can enjoy some great bargains from YVR. Just check out some reference prices from Flight Center and then look for yourself: http://www.flightcentre.ca/worldwide-deals

I could find return fares from YVR to HKG for as low as $650 CAD (all taxes included) next month! I am really tempted to pick one of those, but my wife has such a busy work. :(

Wow.. just checked the link... great deals from gateways right across Canada to a lot of places... not just HKG but some amazing cheap deals!

I reckon downunder we win for really cheap domestic flights (like mega mega cheap - a couple of weeks ago the return MEL-ADL was only $74 all in for BOTH of us! $34 of that was the cc fee) but you guys win for excellent long-haul international. We get some great deals to south-east Asia and surrounding regions due to the presence of LCCs but really cheap deals like YVR-HKG for $650 or YYZ-HKG for $749 not happening here!

Johnny Aussie
Aug 8, 2015, 12:05 AM
I booked that flight/price earlier this week for travel early next year. It is ridiculously low. However, downside is it is on AC's cattle car 777HD. I had second thoughts for a moment, but was booking 4 tickets, so the price differential won the day. Lots of cheap budget flights from HK to sun destinations.

From the airline's perspective and the consumer (to a degree) this is the upside to the HD 77W. They can dump a few more really cheap seats than on the regular 77W for seats that would most likely otherwise go empty. I realise that is the basic rule of any flight anyway, but the HD 77W and the new 788s (and now 789s) with their lower costs make these types of sales easier to push. I notice a few of the really cheap deals are via SEA on DL too... hmmmmm!

Johnny Aussie
Aug 12, 2015, 7:41 PM
Just wanted to say yesterday flying in had the best experience going through Canada Customs at YVR.

Despite a few heavies getting in the same time PR from MNL, NH from HND and LH from MUC... getting through was a breeze. Nice to see almost every counter was manned just a constant flow... Wait was less than 10 mins to get through.

The arrivals experience is just so pleasant having gone through LAX earlier that day.

Plenty of Canadians on the MEL-LAX UA flight heading to YVR, YCD, YYJ and YHZ. Those are just the ones I met :)

The UA 787-9 was just brilliant and a fantastic crew.

So nice to have another excellent star alliance option from MEL-YVR.

Just that bloody LAX transfer!!

PaperTiger
Aug 12, 2015, 9:51 PM
Just wanted to say yesterday flying in had the best experience going through Canada Customs at YVR.

Despite a few heavies getting in the same time PR from MNL, NH from HND and LH from MUC... getting through was a breeze. Nice to see almost every counter was manned just a constant flow... Wait was less than 10 mins to get through.

The arrivals experience is just so pleasant having gone through LAX earlier that day.

Plenty of people Canadians on the MEL-LAX UA flight heading to YVR, YCD, YYJ and YHZ. Those are just the ones I met :)

The UA 787-9 was just brilliant and a fantastic crew.

So nice to have another excellent star alliance option from MEL-YVR.

Just that bloody LAX transfer!!

"UA" and "excellent Star Alliance option" in the same paragraph! I can honestly I have never seen that before.


A more common expression is "I have flown United three times. My first. My last . My only." :haha:

Johnny Aussie
Aug 12, 2015, 10:27 PM
"UA" and "excellent Star Alliance option" in the same paragraph! I can honestly I have never seen that before.


A more common expression is "I have flown United three times. My first. My last . My only." :haha:

That is exactly what I used to think....

Since I had moved downunder I had only flown UA transpacific once return and thought never again.... Have mainly flown AC and NZ and about to give CA another chance as my Star options.... since they introduced NON-STOP MEL-LAX (tick) and on the new Dreamliner 787-9 (tick) I thought "lets give it a go shall we!"

Definitely better than AC on the SYD-YVR route which I have done about 12 times now but probably won't again.

I would still say NZ is better but overall not by much really... but like I said... I was pleasantly surprised and wouldn't hesitate to fly UA on that route again. Although the 787-9 is rumoured to be put on the AKL-YVR route maybe next year so that may sway me back over anyway.

But yup... sticking by my "excellent Star Alliance option." ANA about to relaunch SYD-HND again so yet another option coming up but prefer nonstop out of Australia so MEL-LAX non-stop is a huge tick in that column.

Klazu
Aug 12, 2015, 10:32 PM
I have only flown United between east coast and west coast, but I have nothing to complain. They have an armada of new A320s that are clean. Even the slim seats are not that uncomfortable and leg room is okay (I am tall).

SFUVancouver
Aug 12, 2015, 11:23 PM
I haven't flown on a 'real' United flight, only their United Express feeder service on RJs. The person in front of me reclined their seat all the way and there was, without exaggeration, less than 15cm between the tip of my nose and the seatback in front of me.

Alpine
Aug 13, 2015, 12:19 AM
To frequent flyers of SSP Vancouver.

I know that Vancouver is missing a lot of longhaul destinations. With that being said, from your observations of flights, check-in counters and the like, what flights or carriers do you think Vancouverites use when getting from YVR to: European capitals that aren't LHR/FRA/AMS, Eastern and Southern Europe, the Middle East/North Africa (there's a huge Jewish population in Vancouver, in case a direct YVR-TLV ever becomes feasible. Also Dubai, Doha, etc), South Asia, sub-saharan Africa (Plenty of South Africans in Vancouver as well; could a nonstop YVR-JNB flight ever be worth the trouble?), or southeast Asia, which is huge with backpackers?

Hopping across the border and taking a flight from Sea-Tac is a bit too easy. It should be separated into three categories: Those that depart/arrive Canada from YVR, those that use YYZ as a link, and those depart/arrive from SEA or another US airport.

My anecdotal experience is very slim. However, I was at YVR late one night to see off a relative who was going overseas. Wandering around the international terminal, I saw the CX889 check in for the red eye to HKG. To my surprise, many of the people in the check in line were Indo-Canadian! After asking around, I learned that since Vancouver doesn't have a direct flight to Delhi, Indians in Vancouver who want to get to DEL will use Cathay and transit via HKG, whose flights to Delhi all leave in the late afternoon while CX889 gets in early in the morning. Well, it's cheaper than a direct YVR-DEL flight would have been!

Another anecdote I have received is from someone who was a baggage handler at YVR, years ago. He told me that he recognized Delhi bags on sight and the most popular tags were CX839/838 and AC854/855. And AC854 arrives late morning at Heathrow, perfect timing for the afternoon AI116 flight to Delhi. Both Air India and Air Canada are Star Alliance.

As for me. I travelled to Addis Ababa, Ethiopia twice; in 2006 and 2007. Both times I flew via Heathrow on BA86/85, leaving at 6pm and arriving around noon. And both times the flight to Ethiopia was BA6565, which was operated by BMED back when it still existed, using an aging A321 that didn't even had seatback TVs (okay, summer of 2006, AVOD hadn't come yet). In 2006, the journey was LHR-HBE (Alexandria, Egypt), where the plane refuelled and continued to ADD. The two-leg journey was 7,500 km and took ten hours. In 2007, the stopover was in Beirut. I had hoped to see any damage to the airport from the Lebanon War the previous year, but it was predawn when we landed and I couldn't see anything.

My parents have been to Ethiopia many times. They could have saved money going down to Seattle, but they refuse to cross the border even if it saves them money. The reason why was because when I was 13, I stayed with family in Maryland on summer vacation. A relative, who was a travel agent in Seattle, had me fly SEA-BWI via America West (this was back in 2004), but messed up the tickets and forced me to stay in Seattle an extra night, flying ATA the next day SEA-MDW-DCA. Since then, my parents have always flown out of Vancouver. My first trip was $3100 roundtrip, the second was $2400, and ever since then my parents have been paying $1700-1800 roundtrip flying out of YVR. With the turbulent exchange rate I don't know if it's still cheaper to fly out of SEA.

Anyway. Between 2008 and 2015, my mom went to Addis Ababa twice. Once via Heathrow, and the second time with Lufthansa via Frankfurt (LH493/598, both A340-600s back then), and she loved it. My dad went three times. The first using the same LH routing via FRA. Then ET started their YYZ-ADD service with the 787, and my dad liked the 787, so the second and third time he flew AC156 to YYZ and ET503 to ADD.

What hubs or carriers do travellers in Vancouver use to connect with far-flung places?

twoNeurons
Aug 13, 2015, 6:53 PM
What hubs or carriers do travellers in Vancouver use to connect with far-flung places?

Well, there's a lot of Asian Vancouverites... so obviously, the big hubs used are:

ICN ( Seoul, Korea )
NRT/HND ( Tokyo, Japan )
HKG ( Hong Kong, China )
TPE ( Taipei, Taiwan )
PEK ( Beijing, China )
PVG ( Shanghai, China )

Those, I would say are the major Asian hubs. You can get almost anywhere in Asia from Tokyo/Seoul/Taipei. There are also a few secondary hubs like Kuala Lumpur and other Chinese cities. Singapore used to be a good hub to fly into, but they no longer fly to Vancouver.

SFUVancouver
Aug 13, 2015, 7:02 PM
The international hubs that I fly primarily through for work abroad are London Heathrow (LHR) and Hong Kong (HKG). Interestingly, when I was working on a project in South Africa, I would fly through either one of those hubs before connecting on to Johannesburg. Travel time would be nearly identical, with BA and CX arriving within 5 minutes(!) of one another at JNB, so price would be the deciding factor. Both had good long daytime layovers in London and Hong Kong, respectively, so there were opportunities for a quick jaunt into the city.

I've also flown through hubs in Dallas, LA, and Frankfurt, but those were one-offs.

Alpine, interesting that and your family have travelled with frequency to Addis. I have family who lived there for the better part of a decade but I missed the opportunity to visit and I'm kicking myself now.

whatnext
Aug 13, 2015, 7:25 PM
... And both times the flight to Ethiopia was BA6565, which was operated by BMED back when it still existed, using an aging A321 that didn't even had seatback TVs (okay, summer of 2006, AVOD hadn't come yet)..

Sounds like Air Canada Rouge, circa right now!

Klazu
Aug 13, 2015, 9:14 PM
I know that Vancouver is missing a lot of longhaul destinations.

I on the other hand think we are very well-connected to almost all world hubs and have an amazing number of destinations for an airport of our size. From larger hubs I think we are only missing a few, like Singapore (used to have), Dubai (not convenient from us), Madrid, maybe Copenhagen and Johannesburg (again, not convenient from us). You can get almost everywhere from Vancouver with just one stop.

I don't think for example Seattle fairs as well as we do destination wise.

ACT7
Aug 13, 2015, 9:25 PM
Interesting tweet put out by YVR today, showing the 20 longest long haul destinations in the world. YVR-SYD came in at 17th but the interesting part was the tweet said that this list will need to be updated after "emirates announcement". Is Emirates expected to start YVR? Has the bilateral been opened up? I would also suspect if it has been that EK will begin YYZ daily and possibly YUL 3 times a week.

Or was this some cheeky tweet based on aspirations?

nname
Aug 13, 2015, 9:32 PM
Interesting tweet put out by YVR today, showing the 20 longest long haul destinations in the world. YVR-SYD came in at 17th but the interesting part was the tweet said that this list will need to be updated after "emirates announcement".

Emirates to launch Dubai - Panama City service in Feb 2016, which will become world's longest route, beating current #1 (SYD-DFW) by 11 miles.

ACT7
Aug 13, 2015, 9:33 PM
Emirates to launch Dubai - Panama City service in Feb 2016, which will become world's longest route, beating current #1 (SYD-DAL) by 11 miles.

Ah. Wishful thinking then that Canada-UAE had signed something recently.

osirisboy
Aug 13, 2015, 9:51 PM
Emirates to launch Dubai - Panama City service in Feb 2016, which will become world's longest route, beating current #1 (SYD-DAL) by 11 miles.

I thought it was SYD-DFW

nname
Aug 13, 2015, 9:54 PM
I thought it was SYD-DFW

Fixed ;)

trofirhen
Aug 13, 2015, 10:09 PM
I on the other hand think we are very well-connected to almost all world hubs and have an amazing number of destinations for an airport of our size. From larger hubs I think we are only missing a few, like Singapore (used to have), Dubai (not convenient from us), Madrid, maybe Copenhagen and Johannesburg (again, not convenient from us). You can get almost everywhere from Vancouver with just one stop.

I don't think for example Seattle fairs as well as we do destination wise.
I think that's right on, Klazu. The only "Big Time" destination Seattle has over us is DBX. And that's not necessarily a good thing. EK can charge lower prices if they want to fill up a plane, and, once given landing rights in an given city, can take people BACKWARDS into Europe, (always changing planes at DBX, not usually O/D.) or on into India, China, and Oceania from the DBX hub. This, in effect siphons off traffic that other airlines might offer, and cause them to leave Seattle. Air France started flying there, but pulled out, and Delta had to takeover the Paris route. SAS, longtime visitor at Seattle, (back to the 60s) pulled out. (Icelandic sort of moved in to fill the void one must admit.)

However, Vancouver has a bigger direct flight footprint in Asia than Seattle, a direct footprint in Oceania that SEA does not have at all, and an equal or better footprint to Europe and even Mexico.

So we seem to end up with more foreign tails taking us mostly where we want to go.
São Paulo? Lima? Santiago? Seems to be on the distant YVR horizon, (with the TWV plan) and I don't believe SEA is slated for anything like that. Yet.
The only 2 that are really missing are DEL (Delhi) (much discussed) and IST, a perfectly great destination for Middle Eastern, Caucasus and Central Asian, as well as Mediterranean destinations, but only After the Big 4 European Lines are solidly established, and this will not have the "Dubai Effect." I really think IST, could work out. It's closer to anywhere east of Oman, to which it's east OVER THE PACIFIC from YVR.... Jo'burg nonstop? I think that's many decades away, if ever.

PaperTiger
Aug 13, 2015, 10:43 PM
I travel to South America somewhat frequently. Typically I use IAH, or IAD as a transfer hub.

In my mind the lack of South American service is the biggest gap in YVR's network, but then I haven't any family in Africa or Middle East.

SFUVancouver
Aug 13, 2015, 10:44 PM
[snip]

...from YVR.... Jo'burg nonstop? I think that's many decades away, if ever.

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=YVR-JNB&MS=wls&MR=900&MX=720x360&PM=

YVR-JNB is a 16,462km flight. That's really pushing the boundaries of this current generation of ultra long-range aircraft and I'm not sure if any could manage it in commercial service. A 777-200LR could potentially do it, and its planned successor the 777-8X should have the legs, and a high gross weight-configured A340-500 could squeak by, but I think that's it.

As convenient as that route would have been for me, I don't think that it would ever be warranted even if it were technically possible.

Hourglass
Aug 13, 2015, 11:36 PM
Here's an interesting stat. Busiest airports in the world (2015 YTD) fr Wikipedia

1 Atlanta
2 Beijing
3 Dubai
4 Tokyo Haneda
5 Los Angeles
6 London Heathrow
7 Hong Kong
8 Chicago O'Hare
9 Dallas-Forth Worth
10 Bangkok
11 Shanghai Pudong
12 Paris Charles De Gaulle
13 Guangzhou
14 Singapore
15 Istanbul Atatirk
16 Seoul Incheon
17 Frankfurt
18 Jakarta
19 Denver
20 Kuala Lumpur

YVR has non-stop service, either year-round or seasonally, to 14 of these destinations. And cities such as KUL and JKT that aren't served from YVR are on this list because of the huge amount of LCC passengers they handle. They have very few North American connections anyway.

So bottom line, YVR is very well connected, especially for a city its size. The glaring omissions are of course DXB, SIN and BKK. I'd like to see service to Bangkok again one day (used to be served by CP via HKG), but doubt it will happen anytime soon.

Denscity
Aug 14, 2015, 12:50 AM
How is Dallas way further away from Sydney than Vancouver is? Am I missing something?

SFUVancouver
Aug 14, 2015, 4:56 AM
How is Dallas way further away from Sydney than Vancouver is? Am I missing something?

SYD-DFW: 8,578 mi / 13,805 km
http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=SYD-DFW&MS=wls&MR=900&MX=720x360&PM=
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=SYD-DFW

YVR-JNB: 10,229 mi / 16,462 km
http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=YVR-JNB&MS=wls&MR=900&MX=720x360&PM=
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=YVR-JNB

World's 20 longest distance commercial flights:
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/03/tumblr_n1zot9AsFt1s3dn7vo1_1280.png&w=1484
Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/03/18/the-worlds-longest-non-stop-flights-mapped/

trofirhen
Aug 14, 2015, 6:41 PM
I travel to South America somewhat frequently. Typically I use IAH, or IAD as a transfer hub.

In my mind the lack of South American service is the biggest gap in YVR's network, but then I haven't any family in Africa or Middle East.
Totally

Johnny Aussie
Aug 14, 2015, 9:37 PM
Having an arvo avgeek moment looking at FR24.

Lined up at the end of 08R I can see AF369 about to roll to CDG and right behind that is AC102 a 789 bound for YYZ and then AC1176 a 788 also bound for YYZ (delayed two hours)... close behind JL17 to NRT another 788... close behind is a KE 744 off to ICN, also lined up a TS 333 to LGW, WK10 from ZRH, also a 333, just landing on 08L and an NH 788 from HND just rolled out landing on 08L... Not to mention the daily CZ 788 to CAN just lifted off before this mob... definitely some good eye candy all in the last 10 minutes.

Would make for some good photo ops.

Denscity
Aug 14, 2015, 11:19 PM
Having an arvo avgeek moment looking at FR24.

Lined up at the end of 08R I can see AF369 about to roll to CDG and right behind that is AC102 a 789 bound for YYZ and then AC1176 a 788 also bound for YYZ (delayed two hours)... close behind JL17 to NRT another 788... close behind is a KE 744 off to ICN, also lined up a TS 333 to LGW, WK10 from ZRH, also a 333, just landing on 08L and an NH 788 from HND just rolled out landing on 08L... Not to mention the daily CZ 788 to CAN just lifted off before this mob... definitely some good eye candy all in the last 10 minutes.

Would make for some good photo ops.

This should help anyone saying that YVR isn't that conntected. If this happened at any other airport outside of YYZ there would be massive boosterism!

Johnny Aussie
Aug 14, 2015, 11:46 PM
This should help anyone saying that YVR isn't that conntected. If this happened at any other airport outside of YYZ there would be massive boosterism!

Too bad I was up the Fraser Valley today I would have made a bee line for the airport for some happy snaps.

But that's the way YVR and Vancouver is in general... I would say fairly low key. The press releases tend to downplay too much boosterism which I like. They have been fairly active on Twitter and Facebook lately but not in a bragging "look what we have sense" just a good variety of news etc.

Oh... And I saw BA85 from LHR (a graceful 744) glide in over where I was last evening and couldn't help but think If I am back here next year at this time I know what I would be looking at instead! And AC195 last night from YUL was a 77W for some reason another beauty gliding overhead amongst the other usual YYZ wide bodies too.

Valley_Refugee
Aug 15, 2015, 1:31 AM
I know that Vancouver is missing a lot of longhaul destinations. With that being said, from your observations of flights, check-in counters and the like, what flights or carriers do you think Vancouverites use when getting from YVR to: European capitals that aren't LHR/FRA/AMS, Eastern and Southern Europe, the Middle East/North Africa (there's a huge Jewish population in Vancouver, in case a direct YVR-TLV ever becomes feasible.

ANOTHER "YVR is not well connected" discussion? For a metro of only 2.5 million (or even twice that size, to be frank) it is very well connected. The end.

Also, I disagree Vancouver has a huge Jewish population. My recollection of the census figures is it is something in the neighbourhood of 30,000.

trofirhen
Aug 15, 2015, 3:00 AM
Would Rome or Madrid be useful destinations for YVR? I was thinking of Southern Europe, and the large Italian poluation in Vancouver in the case of Rome.

Denscity
Aug 15, 2015, 4:42 AM
Too bad I was up the Fraser Valley today I would have made a bee line for the airport for some happy snaps.

But that's the way YVR and Vancouver is in general... I would say fairly low key. The press releases tend to downplay too much boosterism which I like. They have been fairly active on Twitter and Facebook lately but not in a bragging "look what we have sense" just a good variety of news etc.

Oh... And I saw BA85 from LHR (a graceful 744) glide in over where I was last evening and couldn't help but think If I am back here next year at this time I know what I would be looking at instead! And AC195 last night from YUL was a 77W for some reason another beauty gliding overhead amongst the other usual YYZ wide bodies too.

BA A380 daily so sick!!

urbancanadian
Aug 15, 2015, 7:34 AM
Here's something that could be fun to try to figure out:

What is the most populous city in the world that you can't reach within a single connection, from YVR?

In other words, the largest city that requires at least three flights to get to.

nname
Aug 15, 2015, 9:47 AM
Here's something that could be fun to try to figure out:

What is the most populous city in the world that you can't reach within a single connection, from YVR?

In other words, the largest city that requires at least three flights to get to.

Belo Horizonte, Brazil - population 5.8 millions

This could be reachable via Miami, Orlando (starting November), or Panama City. We do not have either of them yet. This will be 1 stop starting next year though.

Bandung, Indonesia - population 5.7 millions

This will be 2 stops for foreseeable future until we get direct flights to Singapore or Kuala Lumpur. The city is 1.5hr drive from Jakarta though, which is 1 stop from here.

Others I found:

Surat, India (5.4mil) - no international route, need direct flight to Delhi
Khartoum, Sudan (5.1mil) - need Cairo, Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Doha, Kuwait, Istanbul, Jeddah ....
Alexandria, Egypt (4.7mil) - need Athens, Cairo, Dubai, Doha, Kuwait, Istanbul, Jeddah ....
Kabul, Afghanistan (4.6mil) - need Dubai, Istanbul, Tehran, Moscow, or Delhi

Honorable mentions:
Kinshasa, DR Congo (11.6mil) - Only reachable via Paris by Air France
Ahmedabad, India (6.4mil) - Only reachable via Newark by Air India
Abidjan, Ivory Coast (4.8mil) - Only reachable via Paris by Air France

So in summary, 6 of the top 100 metro areas in the world (from wikipedia) are not reachable with 1 stop from YVR.

dreambrother808
Aug 15, 2015, 8:55 PM
I travel to South America somewhat frequently. Typically I use IAH, or IAD as a transfer hub.

In my mind the lack of South American service is the biggest gap in YVR's network, but then I haven't any family in Africa or Middle East.

Yeah I flew YVR-YYZ-SCL-EZE recently. A big zigzag.

trofirhen
Aug 15, 2015, 10:56 PM
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Klazu
Aug 16, 2015, 2:13 AM
Retracted

Johnny Aussie
Aug 17, 2015, 8:03 PM
Over the last couple of days airlineroute.net has posted a few tweets and general updates on its website regarding the rationalisation of MNL-YVR and the onward YYZ and JFK flights.

It appears PR is dropping the YVR terminator flights, reducing MNL-YVR-YYZ and upgauging MNL-YVR-JFK to 77Ws.

So overall it looks like:

MNL-YVR-YYZ and vv will be three weekly 77Ws
MNL-YVR-JFK and vv will be four weekly 77Ws

So YVR-MNL will become daily on an all 77W schedule.

This to me makes way more sense than the flood of flights and seats they threw on this route when they launched JFK.

Once there is an overall update I will post it.

trofirhen
Aug 17, 2015, 8:43 PM
................
It appears PR is dropping the YVR terminator flights, reducing MNL-YVR-YYZ and upgauging MNL-YVR-JFK to 77Ws.

So overall it looks like:

MNL-YVR-YYZ and vv will be three weekly 77Ws
MNL-YVR-JFK and vv will be four weekly 77Ws

So YVR-MNL will become daily on an all 77W schedule.

This to me makes way more sense than the flood of flights and seats they threw on this route when they launched JFK......

Does this config work out to about the same number of pax?

Hot Rod
Aug 18, 2015, 12:29 AM
for some reason I thought Aukland-YVR was the longest route for Vancouver and longer than Syd-YVR. Why was there no mention of Air New Zealand AUK-YVR in that list?

trofirhen
Aug 18, 2015, 12:45 AM
for some reason I thought Aukland-YVR was the longest route for Vancouver and longer than Syd-YVR. Why was there no mention of Air New Zealand AUK-YVR in that list?

distance YVR SYD 7778 miles.
http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/yvr-to-syd/

distance YVR AKL 7068 miles
www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/yvr-to-syd/ (http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/yvr-to-syd/)

I guess there are a number of route lengths in between.

Hot Rod
Aug 18, 2015, 1:32 AM
thanks, I needed that. :cheers:

SpongeG
Aug 18, 2015, 8:42 PM
photo op!

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/s480x480/11913976_873811349323327_6363855069030804581_n.jpg?oh=c933fad5dce9d064f0a12d259a528158&oe=567A3955

Vancouver International Airport
4 hrs ·


May the force be with us! All Nippon Airways will fly their special R2-D2 ANA JET to YVR on October 18. Vancouver will be the first international destination for this spectacular Star Wars-themed Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner aircraft that is every aviation and Star Wars fan's dream: http://www.ana-sw.com/jets/

from the airport facebook page

Klazu
Aug 19, 2015, 1:53 AM
Another 787-9? Airlines seem to love YVR.

Johnny Aussie
Aug 19, 2015, 4:40 AM
Further to my post a few days ago... Philippine Airlines YVR operations update

http://airlineroute.net/2015/08/18/pr-america-w15update/

eff 16SEP15 Manila – Vancouver – Toronto Service reduces from 4 to 3 weekly (operational schedule below effective 25OCT15)
PR118 MNL1500 – 1200YVR1330 – 2110YYZ 77W 357
PR119 YYZ2240 – 0105+1YVR0220+1 – 0735+2MNL 77W 357

eff 25OCT15 Manila – Vancouver – New York JFK Airbus A340-300 replaced by Boeing 777-300ER, 4 weekly service
PR126 MNL2350 – 2050YVR2250+1 – 0700+1JFK 77W x357
PR127 JFK1100 – 1350YVR1520 – 2035+1MNL 77W x146

eff 25OCT15 Manila – Vancouver 3 weekly terminator PR116/117 service operated by Airbus A340-300, instead of 777-300ER. Note this service will be cancelled from 15MAR16
PR116 MNL1900 – 1600YVR 343 246
PR117 YVR2315 – 0430+2MNL 343 246

casper
Aug 19, 2015, 4:53 AM
Further to my post a few days ago... Philippine Airlines YVR operations update

http://airlineroute.net/2015/08/18/pr-america-w15update/

eff 16SEP15 Manila – Vancouver – Toronto Service reduces from 4 to 3 weekly (operational schedule below effective 25OCT15)
PR118 MNL1500 – 1200YVR1330 – 2110YYZ 77W 357
PR119 YYZ2240 – 0105+1YVR0220+1 – 0735+2MNL 77W 357

eff 25OCT15 Manila – Vancouver – New York JFK Airbus A340-300 replaced by Boeing 777-300ER, 4 weekly service
PR126 MNL2350 – 2050YVR2250+1 – 0700+1JFK 77W x357
PR127 JFK1100 – 1350YVR1520 – 2035+1MNL 77W x146

eff 25OCT15 Manila – Vancouver 3 weekly terminator PR116/117 service operated by Airbus A340-300, instead of 777-300ER. Note this service will be cancelled from 15MAR16
PR116 MNL1900 – 1600YVR 343 246
PR117 YVR2315 – 0430+2MNL 343 246

The Toronto flight only makes sense if they regard the Vancouver stop as a fuel stop. They are operating Vancouver to Manila with a 2:20 am departure from Vancouver. This so they can arrive in Manila at 8:35 pm. I must be missing something.

nname
Aug 19, 2015, 5:24 AM
The Toronto flight only makes sense if they regard the Vancouver stop as a fuel stop. They are operating Vancouver to Manila with a 2:20 am departure from Vancouver. This so they can arrive in Manila at 8:35 pm. I must be missing something.

Those late night transpacific flights are quite popular actually. I remember there was a flight depart Vancouver at 3am and arrive at Beijing also at 3am.

SpongeG
Aug 19, 2015, 5:48 AM
it makes connections easier if you are leaving from alberta, there are so many filipinos here always needing to fly out

Johnny Aussie
Aug 19, 2015, 6:11 AM
it makes connections easier if you are leaving from alberta, there are so many filipinos here always needing to fly out

To address the above three comments...

Philippine Airlines operates in strange ways. :shrug:

The 2:20am YVR departure actually arrives in MNL at 7:35am so you may have mixed up the YYZ and JFK times. They are definitely not treating the YVR stop as just a tech/fuel stop. The fact they are reducing YYZ, yet again, just shows how much they must be struggling to make YYZ work. They would be very much depending on YVR to help fill the YYZ originating flights especially since the YVR terminating flights are being axed. That was just too many frequencies per week on the MNL-YVR route.

Yes, the night flights to Asia are quite popular.

With four flights per week departing at 1520 and three departing at 0220 this makes connections from all over Western Canada feasible. However, the four flights per week that will arrive in YVR at 2050 from MNL will be very tough to many Western Canadian markets. This makes a bit more sense now as these are the flights carrying on to JFK. But after terminating the YVR standalone flights there will only be three weekly flights with decent Western Canada connections. :shrug:

As we all know these flights are quite heavily dependent on VFR. So again, if they are having trouble with the two biggest Filipino markets (and biggest by far) in Canada, I don't think we will be seeing any direct flights to any other Canadian cities from MNL (eg YWG - despite what their airport authority thinks).

The upside to these changes is all YVR flights will be operated with the newer consistent product (after 16 March).

SpongeG
Aug 19, 2015, 6:19 AM
i didn't mean flying out of alberta, i meant they fly to vancouver, originating from alberta, they can get a nice stopover in vancouver such as my coworkers said they liked that they could spend some time in vancouver on their way

teriyaki
Aug 19, 2015, 7:48 AM
As a local to the Vancouver area, the night red-eye flights are my preferred option whenever flying out. It allows for a full work day, then you mosey on down to the airport after a full dinner at home. I'm sure the timing allows for some creative connections from the rest of the country as well since anything arriving before midnight would be able to connect with these 1-3am departure times.

Off the top of my head, almost all the Asian carriers operate red-eye flights out of YVR.

Johnny Aussie
Aug 20, 2015, 2:15 AM
After much discussion.... should start arriving in 2017.

Why in the YVR thread? Speculation is of course YVR will be one of the first routes launched... Possibly year-round.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-buy-boeing-787-first-flights-from-2017?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper

LeftCoaster
Aug 20, 2015, 3:57 PM
Good news, I assume this makes the YVR-SYD on Qantas more viable long term than running it with their current 747?

trofirhen
Aug 20, 2015, 7:55 PM
After much discussion.... should start arriving in 2017.

Why in the YVR thread? Speculation is of course YVR will be one of the first routes launched... Possibly year-round.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-buy-boeing-787-first-flights-from-2017?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper
Knowing that this plane can do MEL-DFW, I thought it might abe able to do YYZ, too, so checked the map
in the link, which is not quite so precise, given the grey circle ring, with Cape Town in that, New York outside, and DFW inside.
YVR still has Oceania more or less to itself, from within Canada.

ThunderbirdFan
Aug 20, 2015, 11:39 PM
Here's an interesting stat. Busiest airports in the world (2015 YTD) fr Wikipedia

1 Atlanta
2 Beijing
3 Dubai
4 Tokyo Haneda
5 Los Angeles
6 London Heathrow
7 Hong Kong
8 Chicago O'Hare
9 Dallas-Forth Worth
10 Bangkok
11 Shanghai Pudong
12 Paris Charles De Gaulle
13 Guangzhou
14 Singapore
15 Istanbul Atatirk
16 Seoul Incheon
17 Frankfurt
18 Jakarta
19 Denver
20 Kuala Lumpur

YVR has non-stop service, either year-round or seasonally, to 14 of these destinations. And cities such as KUL and JKT that aren't served from YVR are on this list because of the huge amount of LCC passengers they handle. They have very few North American connections anyway.

So bottom line, YVR is very well connected, especially for a city its size. The glaring omissions are of course DXB, SIN and BKK. I'd like to see service to Bangkok again one day (used to be served by CP via HKG), but doubt it will happen anytime soon.

Aspiring Avgeek here (I just read posts in this thread from the last 3 years over the course of the last few day), and one question I have is, how the hell does Atlanta have the busiest airport in the world? Not exactly the biggest tourist destintiion and certainly can't compete with level of business travellers in NYC and London. So what am I missing? Does anyone have an explanation for this? I mean sure Atlanta is a big city at 6.1 million CSA, but I mean it ranks 11th in CSA populations, so how is the Atlanta airport overperforming?

Large Cat
Aug 21, 2015, 2:05 AM
Aspiring Avgeek here (I just read posts in this thread from the last 3 years over the course of the last few day), and one question I have is, how the hell does Atlanta have the busiest airport in the world? Not exactly the biggest tourist destintiion and certainly can't compete with level of business travellers in NYC and London. So what am I missing? Does anyone have an explanation for this? I mean sure Atlanta is a big city at 6.1 million CSA, but I mean it ranks 11th in CSA populations, so how is the Atlanta airport overperforming?

Due to high population, high wealth, and a lack of other options because of its expansive geography, the United States has the biggest regional air travel market in the world. Atlanta is the biggest hub on the Eastern seaboard for this regional traffic, which accounts for its number one passenger volume position. If the comparison were of international passenger numbers, Atlanta wouldn't even be in the ballpark of the top position in the world. But put together with the regional numbers it adds up.

Airports like Minneapolis and Denver are similar in being huge based on regional jets. Try to walk through the whole of MSP, it takes hours even with the moving walkways, because there are literally a hundred gates of CRJs in a row in two different concourses at any one time. It's insane.

casper
Aug 21, 2015, 2:38 AM
Aspiring Avgeek here (I just read posts in this thread from the last 3 years over the course of the last few day), and one question I have is, how the hell does Atlanta have the busiest airport in the world? Not exactly the biggest tourist destintiion and certainly can't compete with level of business travellers in NYC and London. So what am I missing? Does anyone have an explanation for this? I mean sure Atlanta is a big city at 6.1 million CSA, but I mean it ranks 11th in CSA populations, so how is the Atlanta airport overperforming?

US Carriers are big into the concept of hubs. They operate very few point-to-point flights. For a good hub you needs lots of land to build massive terminals. All three of the NYC airports are a mess and can't handle any expansion. Large portion of Atlanta traffic is hub connecting traffic within Delta. Delta's other hub are places like Minneapolis, Salt Lake City and Detroit.

Domestic Air Travel in Canada is less hub like. For example if you want to fly from Saskatoon to Winnipeg you can on both Air Canada and WestJet. A US like hub system you would need to connect in Calgary or Toronto.

Hourglass
Aug 21, 2015, 3:24 AM
US Carriers are big into the concept of hubs. They operate very few point-to-point flights. For a good hub you needs lots of land to build massive terminals. All three of the NYC airports are a mess and can't handle any expansion. Large portion of Atlanta traffic is hub connecting traffic within Delta. Delta's other hub are places like Minneapolis, Salt Lake City and Detroit.

Domestic Air Travel in Canada is less hub like. For example if you want to fly from Saskatoon to Winnipeg you can on both Air Canada and WestJet. A US like hub system you would need to connect in Calgary or Toronto.

This. For various historical and geographic reasons, Atlanta is THE hub for Delta; Delta alone has over 960 departures per day from ATL (by way of comparison, Air Canada has 1,100 flights per week from its Vancouver hub -- source: Calin Rovinescu's speech at VBOT). ATL is also a focus city for Southwest and Frontier.

SpongeG
Aug 21, 2015, 5:55 AM
I used atlanta once, it was huge and so many people, it was quite impressive

Spikester
Aug 21, 2015, 9:57 PM
Due to high population, high wealth, and a lack of other options because of its expansive geography, the United States has the biggest regional air travel market in the world. Atlanta is the biggest hub on the Eastern seaboard for this regional traffic, which accounts for its number one passenger volume position. If the comparison were of international passenger numbers, Atlanta wouldn't even be in the ballpark of the top position in the world. But put together with the regional numbers it adds up.

The canonical joke here is that if you die in the southeastern US, you have to connect for heaven or hell at ATL.

twoNeurons
Aug 22, 2015, 12:25 AM
I was at a conference recently in Las Vegas and some American travellers had made two connections just to get there. That, to me, is crazy. They have short vacation times and spend a day ( at least ) just travelling.

I guess it's the norm there and what people expect, but I also think it has to do with the American mentality as well. The idea that cheaper and bigger is always better. Bigger hubs must be cheaper to fly into, right? I would think that many Canadians are willing to pay more for a direct flight... which is why direct flights are usually priced higher.

Is that the case in the US? I realize I'm generalizing here, by the way. The fact that you can get a direct flight from YXX ( Abbotsford ) to Calgary, Edmonton, Saskatoon, Montreal or Toronto... and even Hawaii and Vegas as well. All from an airport in city that's about half the population of Spokane, WA.

Klazu
Aug 22, 2015, 5:44 AM
I would think that many Canadians are willing to pay more for a direct flight...

Oh, count me in that club.

The fact that you can get a direct flight from YXX ( Abbotsford ) to Calgary, Edmonton, Saskatoon, Montreal or Toronto... and even Hawaii and Vegas as well. All from an airport in city that's about half the population of Spokane, WA.

Well, YXX is quite near to people in Langley and Surrey, which is over half a million more people to the catchment area. It is way too far for me to consider from Vancouver, but it is still closer than Bellingham.

Never flown from YXX though. Could be interesting, if only it wouldn't be so far away. Do they offer free parking there?