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Hourglass
Nov 15, 2015, 12:51 PM
CP did NRT and NGO.
AC did KIX.

I'm pretty sure YVR never had a scheduled link to FUK. The odd charter though yes.

Hmm thought CP used to have a scheduled service to Fukuoka, but maybe I'm getting mixed up with NGO.

I think we'll continue to see more secondary Chinese cities coming on stream as destinations. I used to travel to Changsha quite frequently on business. Very 'local' tier II city of 7 million people. Never would imagine any demand for international destinations. Imagine my surprise to see China Southern launching a direct route to FRA...

EdmontonTraveller
Nov 15, 2015, 6:32 PM
There are separate USA to Canada connections procedures for AC and WS. Your pilot project appears to be an attempt at bringing WS onto the AC connections experience.


AFAIK AC has/does always require one to claim their baggage before proceeding through Canada Connections. WS 1755 did not require a claim and re-drop. Hence the interest in what's going on. Unless someone else knows something, this is the first time a person returning to Canada can exit Canada Customs hall without all of their possessions in hand? (exc. items shipped separately) Sounds like a new pilot for flights from select US-YYZ/YVR?

We know how US CBP does it: BIWIS. But that's self-contained within a pre-clearance facility. And I doubt there's any system in SNA to use "remotely" even if they figured out a way. Curious as to what process Customs is testing.... CBSA sending an agent to the opposite end of the terminal to pull someone from a flight after X-ray of baggage? Asking security in domestic to intercede?

As to using AC Connections, the polite AC staff saying, "Keep going" suggested one shouldn't use it. :D I could have said I was headed to Brioche Doree to push it, but kept following the family to the elevator. Worked out fine - the little guy consumed a Booster Juice in the 7 minutes before A/B security despite Mum telling him he'd have to throw it away.

P.S. Officer interview was conducted on the right/Int'l side of the hall halfway towards the main inspection desk. 2 officers dedicated to WS 1755 at a temporary booth. From what I saw everyone else was headed to their normal points for interview.

Johnny Aussie
Nov 15, 2015, 9:09 PM
Another week another transborder update.

Looks like AA is scrapping the third daily PHX indefinitely. Schedule updates show the daily Mesa CR9 is gone.

Next summer AA still showing the identical schedules for YVR compared to last summer:

3 daily DFW, 2 daily PHX and 2 daily LAX on AA Eagle.

thebus
Nov 17, 2015, 6:16 AM
Canadian carrier WestJet plans to expand Vancouver – Orlando service, due to begin on 01JAN16. The airline will be adding 2nd weekly frequency on Tuesdays (Wednesdays from Orlando), starting 12JAN16.

Planned schedule as follow.

WS1910 YVR2235 – 0700+1MCO 73W 2
WS1910 YVR2335 – 0800+1MCO 73H 5

WS1711 MCO0930 – 1303YVR 73H 6
WS1713 MCO2105 – 0038+1YVR 73W 3

http://airlineroute.net/2015/11/17/ws-yvrmco-jan16/

CareerShow
Nov 17, 2015, 9:41 AM
Unrelated to YVR but i think i remember Johnny Aussie discussing Air Canada and their YYC international aircraft changes, and it appears we were all mistaken as two of the three routes are 787-9 rather than 8.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/11/16/ac-yyc-s16/

Johnny Aussie
Nov 17, 2015, 2:30 PM
Unrelated to YVR but i think i remember Johnny Aussie discussing Air Canada and their YYC international aircraft changes, and it appears we were all mistaken as two of the three routes are 787-9 rather than 8.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/11/16/ac-yyc-s16/

Nope... I nailed it!

From YYC thread.....

From my post on 30 October:

My hunch is YYC-LHR and YYC-FRA go 787-9 and with YVR-PVG going 777 replacing the 787-8 this frees up a 787-8 for YYC-NRT.

And then from my post on 13 November:

YYC-NRT daily 787-8 effective 1 May
YYC-LHR daily 787-9 effective 1 May
YYC-FRA daily 787-9 effective 27 March

Well before airlineroute.net

SFUVancouver
Nov 17, 2015, 10:43 PM
Nope... I nailed it!

From YYC thread.....

From my post on 30 October:

My hunch is YYC-LHR and YYC-FRA go 787-9 and with YVR-PVG going 777 replacing the 787-8 this frees up a 787-8 for YYC-NRT.

And then from my post on 13 November:

YYC-NRT daily 787-8 effective 1 May
YYC-LHR daily 787-9 effective 1 May
YYC-FRA daily 787-9 effective 27 March

Well before airlineroute.net

Well done!

Moving to an all-Dreamliner long-haul Air Canada fleet at YYC will be a great improvement for the international product offered there, especially over 767s.

CareerShow
Nov 18, 2015, 5:01 AM
Nope... I nailed it!

From YYC thread.....

From my post on 30 October:

My hunch is YYC-LHR and YYC-FRA go 787-9 and with YVR-PVG going 777 replacing the 787-8 this frees up a 787-8 for YYC-NRT.

And then from my post on 13 November:

YYC-NRT daily 787-8 effective 1 May
YYC-LHR daily 787-9 effective 1 May
YYC-FRA daily 787-9 effective 27 March

Well before airlineroute.net
Ah i am mistaken sir, well done. So that means no more 767 or 333 on the westcoast pretty much, apart from the YUL YVR route i believe, which has a 330 on it for one of the daily flights.

Johnny Aussie
Nov 18, 2015, 8:29 AM
Ah i am mistaken sir, well done. So that means no more 767 or 333 on the westcoast pretty much, apart from the YUL YVR route i believe, which has a 330 on it for one of the daily flights.

Mainline yes... the once daily YVR-YUL 333 remains. Although rouge will still fly its 763s to Hawaii (HNL, OGG and KOA), CUN and KIX from YVR. I have a sneaking suspicion there might be a bit more rouge 763 International action for YVR.

Now they need to figure out what to do with YYC-OGG... either rouge it or drop it.

✈️✈️✈️

Johnny Aussie
Nov 18, 2015, 10:34 AM
Three weeks to go until Aeroméxico launches its new daily YVR-MEX route.

So, with the likelihood of Canada ending the requirements for Mexican nationals requiring a visa to visit Canada, I would expect this should help make the new route a success. Also, I would think this will also strengthen the existing daily Air Canada YVR-MEX route.

Perhaps we may even see an expansion. GDL and MTY were also served by Mexicana during its "heyday" years.

Interesting stat... Based on 2012 data, Vancouver gets the second largest number of Mexican visitors 28,900, just behind Toronto at 33,000. And this was with the mandatory visa in place. Montreal was third at 18,000.

Gordon
Nov 19, 2015, 2:16 AM
is there currently any work being done on pier A expansion?

Johnny Aussie
Nov 19, 2015, 2:34 AM
AC to launch twice daily YVR-SJC service on CRAs.

Effective 9 May 2016

http://airlineroute.net/2015/11/19/ac-yvrsjc-may16/

With the other changes announced by AC recently, AC will have 12 daily flights to California next summer.

Now let's see if they bring SMF or SAN back as well!

Hourglass
Nov 19, 2015, 2:43 AM
http://http://airlineroute.net/2015/11/19/ac-yvrsjc-may16/AC to launch twice daily YVR-SJC service on CRAs.

Effective 9 May 2016

http://airlineroute.net/2015/11/19/ac-yvrsjc-may16/

With the other changes announced by AC recently, AC will have 12 daily flights to California next summer.

Now let's see if they bring SMF or SAN back as well!

Was SJC serviced previously by AC or Alaska? Good news either way.

Always a bit surprised that nobody has been able to make a YVR-SAN work

Johnny Aussie
Nov 19, 2015, 3:24 AM
Was SJC serviced previously by AC or Alaska? Good news either way.

Always a bit surprised that nobody has been able to make a YVR-SAN work

A Canadian Regional F28 was the past YVR-SJC warrior.

SAN is just a matter of time again.

Maybe one day we will see AC serve LAX, SFO, PSP, SJC, SAN, SMF and SNA.

Johnny Aussie
Nov 19, 2015, 4:05 AM
Bloody hell... Another announcement.

AC rouge to add a 6th weekly flight in YVR-KIX next summer.

Daily except Wednesdays.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/11/19/zx-kix-s16/

casper
Nov 19, 2015, 4:23 AM
AC to launch twice daily YVR-SJC service on CRAs.

Effective 9 May 2016

http://airlineroute.net/2015/11/19/ac-yvrsjc-may16/

With the other changes announced by AC recently, AC will have 12 daily flights to California next summer.

Now let's see if they bring SMF or SAN back as well!

It is an airport I have never considered using before. Very convenient for the valley. Happy to see the flight being added.

After looking at the Wikipedia page, what is also interesting is SJC is picking up a lot of new flights around the same time. British Airways starts in May, Lufthansa starts in April. Delta and American also adding new destinations from SJC.

CareerShow
Nov 19, 2015, 5:29 AM
Canadian Regional F28s was the past YVR-SJC warrior.

SAN is just a matter of time again.

Maybe one day we will see AC serve LAX, SFO, PSP, SJC, SAN, SMF and SNA.
Im surprised they picked San jose before SAN. With already 4 mainline flights plus 4/3 United flights seems like a lot of flights into the San Fran area. I wonder if this means they will reduce frequency into SFO. I also wonder if this is a year round flight or just summer.....

Johnny Aussie
Nov 19, 2015, 5:37 AM
Im surprised they picked San jose before SAN. With already 4 mainline flights plus 4/3 United flights seems like a lot of flights into the San Fran area. I wonder if this means they will reduce frequency into SFO. I also wonder if this is a year round flight or just summer.....

AC is actually increasing flights next summer on YVR-SFO from four to five daily. Go figure... YVR-SFO is a huge market. Westjet is on that route with seasonal summer service too.

Johnny Aussie
Nov 19, 2015, 5:54 AM
This is NO joke folks....

Effective 2 June 2016 daily rouge A319 YVR-SAN

AC1800 YVR1910 - 2200SAN D 319
AC1801 SAN1525 - 1815YVR D 319

The flight will rotate through a daily rouge YYZ-SAN as well.

So there you go!! The question about SAN has been answered.

The AC YVR - California daily flights tally will now be a lucky thirteen!

Aaaaaand you heard it here first!

:multibow:

Johnny Aussie
Nov 19, 2015, 6:08 AM
As expected, thanks to the encrypted AC news release about the new YYZ-ICN route.....

AC is upgauging YVR-PVG to a daily 77W effective 16th June 2016.

That is a very large increase in capacity from a 788 ---> 77W.

OK.... Sorry for the flood of posts but AC is on a roll with YVR today!

excel
Nov 19, 2015, 6:16 AM
4 announcements in less than 4hrs. not bad.

craneSpotter
Nov 19, 2015, 6:17 AM
This is NO joke folks....

Effective 2 June 2016 daily rouge A319 YVR-SAN

AC1800 YVR1910 - 2200SAN D 319
AC1801 SAN1525 - 1815YVR D 319

The flight will rotate through a daily rouge YYZ-SAN as well.

So there you go!! The question about SAN has been answered.

The YVR - California daily flights tally will now be a lucky thirteen!

Aaaaaand you heard it here first!

:multibow:

Wow! TWO new Cali routes in one day...!

The new YVR-SJC route must be a result of the growing market for biz/tech traffic between the two cities.

The SAN one should generate new leisure traffic - hence rouge.

By thirteen flights a day, you mean just with AC?

Johnny Aussie
Nov 19, 2015, 6:17 AM
Ok.... I'm really sorry for this. But I just cannot believe what I keep finding.

Like I said... You heard it here first folks.

Effective 4th June daily YVR-ORD on E90s.

AC534 YVR1315 - 1915ORD D E90
AC535 ORD0730 - 1000ORD D E90

Johnny Aussie
Nov 19, 2015, 6:41 AM
By thirteen flights a day, you mean just with AC?

Yes, sorry I edited my post.

If we were to include total YVR-California it would be more like 27 daily next summer.

SFUVancouver
Nov 19, 2015, 7:42 AM
Amazing. Thank you for the breathless updates, Johnny Aussie.

Hourglass
Nov 19, 2015, 8:54 AM
Ok.... I'm really sorry for this. But I just cannot believe what I keep finding.

Like I said... You heard it here first folks.

Effective 4th June daily YVR-ORD on E90s.

AC534 YVR1315 - 1915ORD D E90
AC535 ORD0730 - 1000ORD D E90

All good news posts! Thanks Johnny. If there's enough demand, maybe KIX will turn into a year-round route...

nname
Nov 19, 2015, 9:19 AM
The AC YVR - California daily flights tally will now be a lucky thirteen!

Aaaaaand you heard it here first!

:multibow:

I counted 12 daily (10 on Saturday). Did they just removed AC564/565?

AC550 YVR0620 - 0923LAX 320 D
AC552 YVR0845 - 1138LAX 320 D
AC554 YVR1300 - 1603LAX 320 D
AC556 YVR1610 - 1913LAX 320 x6
AC558 YVR2030 - 2333LAX 320 D

AC560 YVR0755 - 1017SFO 320 x6
AC562 YVR0955 - 1217SFO 320 D
AC566 YVR1420 - 1642SFO 320 x6
AC566 YVR1610 - 1832SFO 320 6
AC568 YVR2035 - 2257SFO 320 D

AC1800 YVR1910 - 2200SAN 319 D

AC8566 YVR1035 – 1250SJC CRA D
AC8568 YVR1715 – 1930SJC CRA D

nname
Nov 19, 2015, 9:53 AM
Beijing Capital Airlines has applied for Hangzhou - Qingdao - Vancouver, 3x weekly using A330, starting Nov 2016.

(Source in Chinese (http://www.caac.gov.cn/C1/201511/t20151119_83178.html))

Yay, I beat airlineroute too :D

Johnny Aussie
Nov 19, 2015, 9:56 AM
I counted 12 daily (10 on Saturday). Did they just removed AC564/565?

AC550 YVR0620 - 0923LAX 320 D
AC552 YVR0845 - 1138LAX 320 D
AC554 YVR1300 - 1603LAX 320 D
AC556 YVR1610 - 1913LAX 320 x6
AC558 YVR2030 - 2333LAX 320 D

AC560 YVR0755 - 1017SFO 320 x6
AC562 YVR0955 - 1217SFO 320 D
AC566 YVR1420 - 1642SFO 320 x6
AC566 YVR1610 - 1832SFO 320 6
AC568 YVR2035 - 2257SFO 320 D

AC1800 YVR1910 - 2200SAN 319 D

AC8566 YVR1035 – 1250SJC CRA D
AC8568 YVR1715 – 1930SJC CRA D

SFO is supposed to be going to 5 per airlineroute.net so maybe that's not confirmed / loaded yet?! Let's go with 12 for now :)

Johnny Aussie
Nov 19, 2015, 10:01 AM
Beijing Capital Airlines has applied for Hangzhou - Qingdao - Vancouver, 3x weekly using A330, starting Nov 2016.

(Source in Chinese (http://www.caac.gov.cn/C1/201511/t20151119_83178.html))

Yay, I beat airlineroute too :D

Ok.... Now this is just getting out of control crazy bonkers nuts!

That would give YVR direct links to 12-13 Chinese cities (depending on the outcome of the applications of course and the Shenzhen on CZ rumour... Any updates on that!?)

Beijing Capital Airlines has applied for a route to Melbourne in 2016 too.

I have to go to bed soon but this is all just too exciting...6am Personal Training!

This has to be a one day record for YVR route announcements / enhancements etc...

And who remembers this as part of my post on 13th November....

"Bloody hell... What's next?

Wuhan
Fuzhou
Xi'an
Qingdao
Harbin
Nanjing
Hangzhou

Seems rather limitless now.... Who would have thunk it?!"

So every long-haul Chinese carrier either flies to YVR now or has been approved or has applied to fly to YVR.

Air China
China Eastern
China Southern
Sichuan
Hainan
Xiamen
Tianjin
Beijing Capital

and CX I'll just throw in as it is still technically "Chinese" but yes I understand under a completely different set of rules etc...

I almost do not believe it.

SSP challenge! Who knows how to make a map on gcmap.com of all these Chinese routes from YVR and then post the picture?

I really need to go to bed!

Hot Rod
Nov 19, 2015, 10:20 AM
omg

nname
Nov 19, 2015, 10:47 AM
SSP challenge! Who knows how to make a map on gcmap.com of all these Chinese routes from YVR and then post the picture?

Looks messy, with the path going all over the place on the Chinese side, and I can't figure out how to prevent SZX from covering HKG...

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=c:navy;yvr-pek;yvr-pvg-kmg;yvr-hkg;yvr-can;yvr-she-ctu;c:red;yvr-xmn;yvr-tsn-ckg;yvr-tao-hgh;c:green;yvr-szx&PM=b:disc7%2b"%25T"12:white/:black&PW=2

Blue = Current; Red = Proposed; Green = Rumored

c:navy;yvr-pek;yvr-pvg-kmg;yvr-hkg;yvr-can;yvr-she-ctu;c:red;yvr-xmn;yvr-tsn-ckg;yvr-tao-hgh;c:green;yvr-szx

trofirhen
Nov 19, 2015, 3:27 PM
Was SJC serviced previously by AC or Alaska? Good news either way.

Always a bit surprised that nobody has been able to make a YVR-SAN work
It was served by AA as a midway stop to ... Los Angeles Burbank, I believe

CareerShow
Nov 19, 2015, 4:39 PM
Ok.... I'm really sorry for this. But I just cannot believe what I keep finding.

Like I said... You heard it here first folks.

Effective 4th June daily YVR-ORD on E90s.

AC534 YVR1315 - 1915ORD D E90
AC535 ORD0730 - 1000ORD D E90
Is ORD year round and SAN seasonal?

craneSpotter
Nov 19, 2015, 5:34 PM
omg

no kidding! Has to be the busiest 24 hr period for YVR route news in a while..or ever. The terminal expansion will need to happen soon if these new Chinese routes all come to fruition..with transborder also looking at some decent growth during 2016!

:cheers:

Cage
Nov 19, 2015, 6:00 PM
It was served by AA as a midway stop to ... Los Angeles Burbank, I believe

The AA service was operated out of their Reno Air operation, IIRC, however AA might have done the service when they had a mini hub at SJC.

Denscity
Nov 19, 2015, 6:48 PM
:thrasher::drummer: :dj

Cage
Nov 19, 2015, 8:02 PM
Ok.... I'm really sorry for this. But I just cannot believe what I keep finding.

Like I said... You heard it here first folks.

Effective 4th June daily YVR-ORD on E90s.

AC534 YVR1315 - 1915ORD D E90
AC535 ORD0730 - 1000ORD D E90

The new flights appear to be early recipient of AC-CA joint venture. AC is putting a lot of extra transborder capacity that will be of use to connection pax from China. The ORD flights pair well with the PVG, PEK, HKG departures.

Johnny Aussie
Nov 19, 2015, 8:11 PM
:thrasher::drummer: :dj

:djparty:

Denscity
Nov 19, 2015, 8:50 PM
:djparty:

Ya totally! We gotta set up a YVR fan meetup one day! High fives and cheers all around! :cheers:

Johnny Aussie
Nov 19, 2015, 9:11 PM
Back in the mid 80s, prior to open skies, Air Cal commenced SJC-YVR as a special provision route that was granted under the specific bilateral agreement between Canada and the U.S. at the time.
Enter American Airlines. AA purchased Air Cal in 1987 and kept SJC as a West Coast hub for some time. This was a convenient step for AA to commence direct (not nonstop) flights to DFW as a one-stop option via SJC as nonstop flights weren't allowed until open skies was signed in 1995.
Open skies ---> AA quickly launched nonstop flights from YVR to DFW, AA's main global hub, JFK and MIA. However, they did maintain one daily YVR-SJC-DFW flight on top of nonstop flights to DFW, JFK and MIA. As is the case with many airline mergers, hubs at the acquired airline tend to get reduced over time and eventually closed. When AA purchased Reno Air in 1999, they turned SJC into a pseudo Reno Air hub for a couple of years until eventually closing both the RNO and SJC hubs and then AA exits YVR-SJC.

CP's turn. During Canadian Airlines' attempt at building YVR as an Asia - Pacific hub and leveraging off its affiliation with AA and entrance into Oneworld, CP launched a very aggressive transborder network into the USA. Flights were being added all over the shop in the late 1990s to places like Chicago, Boston, Dallas, Las Vegas, San Diego and San Jose and adding flights to existing routes. This strategy did not last long and the twice daily CP F28s to SJC were scrapped very quickly and eventually along with the collapse of Canadian Airlines in general.

And enter Air Canada...

Klazu
Nov 19, 2015, 9:15 PM
That's the old configuration. The new high density planes are 3-4-3 in Y. I flew to LHR recently on one which was bearable because it was only half full. Even then the (reduced) washrooms were filthy by the end of the flight, can't imaine what it would be like when it is full.

Had the "pleasure" to experience the Air Canada 777-300ER HD today. Our flight from Toronto was supposed to be on a new 787-9, but the flight from Santiago was running late and they made few dozen of us connecting in Toronto to take the next flight instead, which was onboard the Tin Can.

For someone who is 190cm tall like myself it was very uncomfortable to be seated on a middle seat. Luckily the guy next to me was upgraded to business, so I could take the aisle seat instead.

On my trip I had the chance to enjoy all Air Canada 777 variations there are: 200LR, 300ER and 300ER HD. 200LR has the most space, but they have some row-wide plate below the seats that is very uncomfortable for one's toes. 300ER was super noisy and 300ER HD very tight. The only great thing about 300ER is the new entertainment system.

On my six flights I has the chance to try six different planes, which was nice. Shame about missing the AC 787-9, but they have 25 of those on order, so it is just a matter of time to sit on one. LAN's 787-9 was nice, as already mentioned and service was better than with Air Canada.

Good to be back home on the northern hemisphere and read great YVR news. :cheers:

west1266
Nov 19, 2015, 11:02 PM
Interesting column in Vancity Buzz summarizing the new routes out of YVR.http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/11/new-vancouver-flights-to-chicago-san-diego-and-san-jose/

Denscity
Nov 19, 2015, 11:05 PM
Globe@YVR named 5th best airport restaurant in the world.

Johnny Aussie
Nov 19, 2015, 11:06 PM
Looks messy, with the path going all over the place on the Chinese side, and I can't figure out how to prevent SZX from covering HKG...

Love your work! Imagine if somebody posted that just a few years ago and titled it something like potential YVR-China routes... I know we would have been....

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

CareerShow
Nov 19, 2015, 11:23 PM
Interesting column in Vancity Buzz summarizing the new routes out of YVR.http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/11/new-vancouver-flights-to-chicago-san-diego-and-san-jose/
A few minor errors in the article. Kunming is not a non-stop flight as well westjet just increased orlando to 2 weekly. Overall tho, pretty spot on!

SFUVancouver
Nov 20, 2015, 2:31 AM
Had the "pleasure" to experience the Air Canada 777-300ER HD today. Our flight from Toronto was supposed to be on a new 787-9, but the flight from Santiago was running late and they made few dozen of us connecting in Toronto to take the next flight instead, which was onboard the Tin Can.

For someone who is 190cm tall like myself it was very uncomfortable to be seated on a middle seat. Luckily the guy next to me was upgraded to business, so I could take the aisle seat instead.

On my trip I had the chance to enjoy all Air Canada 777 variations there are: 200LR, 300ER and 300ER HD. 200LR has the most space, but they have some row-wide plate below the seats that is very uncomfortable for one's toes. 300ER was super noisy and 300ER HD very tight. The only great thing about 300ER is the new entertainment system.

On my six flights I has the chance to try six different planes, which was nice. Shame about missing the AC 787-9, but they have 25 of those on order, so it is just a matter of time to sit on one. LAN's 787-9 was nice, as already mentioned and service was better than with Air Canada.

Good to be back home on the northern hemisphere and read great YVR news. :cheers:

Welcome home Klazu. Sounds like you had an amazing trip; both destinations and the metal that got you there.

excel
Nov 20, 2015, 6:08 AM
As far as a SSP YVR meet, I suggest the threshold for the first arrival of BA 380. It's a ways away but gives us time to plan. :cheers:

Vagabond
Nov 20, 2015, 7:11 PM
This is NO joke folks....

Effective 2 June 2016 daily rouge A319 YVR-SAN

AC1800 YVR1910 - 2200SAN D 319
AC1801 SAN1525 - 1815YVR D 319

The flight will rotate through a daily rouge YYZ-SAN as well.

So there you go!! The question about SAN has been answered.

The AC YVR - California daily flights tally will now be a lucky thirteen!

Aaaaaand you heard it here first!

:multibow:

Nooooo......!!!! I was hoping Westjet would beat Rouge to the punch on this route. Also, the outgoing flight time isn't great for those of us with young kids (ie. Zoo/Seaworld traffic). I guess we will still be flying WS into SNA for the foreseeable future!

I wonder if this new AC push into Cali will eventually have an impact on Delta's SEA-YVR flights? I'd imagine SJC and SAN would be two of the most popular destinations/origins for transit passengers. Anecdotally, I booked SJC-YVR flights for my in-laws last summer, and DL via SEA was by far the quickest and cheapest option at the time.

Denscity
Nov 20, 2015, 8:44 PM
As far as a SSP YVR meet, I suggest the threshold for the first arrival of BA 380. It's a ways away but gives us time to plan. :cheers:

In!! :tup:

Johnny Aussie
Nov 20, 2015, 8:47 PM
Nooooo......!!!! I was hoping Westjet would beat Rouge to the punch on this route. Also, the outgoing flight time isn't great for those of us with young kids (ie. Zoo/Seaworld traffic). I guess we will still be flying WS into SNA for the foreseeable future!

I wonder if this new AC push into Cali will eventually have an impact on Delta's SEA-YVR flights? I'd imagine SJC and SAN would be two of the most popular destinations/origins for transit passengers. Anecdotally, I booked SJC-YVR flights for my in-laws last summer, and DL via SEA was by far the quickest and cheapest option at the time.

I knew it was going to be rouge to SAN next. They were next on my list of potential destinations after PSP. Well perhaps WS will jump in as well! To think one year ago no flights to MCO and this winter there will be 4 weekly on two airlines. WS really has to protect their home turf in YYC so they will still be trying to get people to funnel through there on some flights. The outbound SAN flight is a bit odd.

Johnny Aussie
Nov 20, 2015, 8:48 PM
Sunwing is reducing sun flights next summer from YVR.

They will be flying only four weekly one each to CUN, PVR, SJD and VRA.

Last summer there were 5 weekly flights (CUN was twice weekly).

On the plus side Air Transat looks like they will be flying their own metal to CUN and PVR next summer on their own 737-800s instead of the smaller Enerjet 737-700s.

Cage
Nov 20, 2015, 10:35 PM
The outbound SAN flight is a bit odd.

Come the summer schedule, there is no more Western rouge 319 base for FA or pilots. The SAN flights will operate the following route:

YYZ-SAN-YVR-SAN (remain overnight) -YYZ.

Johnny Aussie
Nov 20, 2015, 11:15 PM
Come the summer schedule, there is no more Western rouge 319 base for FA or pilots. The SAN flights will operate the following route:

YYZ-SAN-YVR-SAN (remain overnight) -YYZ.

Any idea how they are going to work YVR-ANC, YVR-LAS and YYC-LAS?

Looks like YYC-YHM isn't going to be happening either.

I can trace one rouge A319 will be doing:

(ron) LAS0730-1010YVR
YVR1125-1413LAS
LAS1455-1855YYC
YYC1925-2121LAS (ron)

But then there is this.... the odd man out:

YVR1335-1558ANC
ANC1645-2058YVR

As we have seen and you have indicated the new YVR-SAN will rotate through YYZ.

CareerShow
Nov 20, 2015, 11:46 PM
Any idea how they are going to work YVR-ANC, YVR-LAS and YYC-LAS?

Looks like YYC-YHM isn't going to be happening either.

I can trace one rouge A319 will be doing:

(ron) LAS0730-1010YVR
YVR1125-1413LAS
LAS1455-1855YYC
YYC1925-2121LAS (ron)

But then there is this.... the odd man out:

YVR1335-1558ANC
ANC1645-2058YVR

As we have seen and you have indicated the new YVR-SAN will rotate through YYZ.
Also, what about the winter. What will AC do with regards to PSP, Phx, and Las Vegas as far as scheduling, unless they transferred the routes to AC mainline.

Gordon
Nov 21, 2015, 12:16 AM
Both YVR Las & anc both appear as the aC site as a310 Rouge flights in June

Hot Rod
Nov 21, 2015, 7:41 AM
a319.

I almost had a heart attack seeing a310, a widebody.

Johnny Aussie
Nov 21, 2015, 8:13 AM
a319.

I almost had a heart attack seeing a310, a widebody.

So funny. I read that earlier and didn't even see the typo.

I think Air Transat still fly A310s to YVR in the winter season.

Definitely curious what rouge does with PSP, PHX and LAS.

casper
Nov 21, 2015, 4:27 PM
So funny. I read that earlier and didn't even see the typo.

I think Air Transat still fly A310s to YVR in the winter season.

Definitely curious what rouge does with PSP, PHX and LAS.

They could always route flights YYZ-low yield destination - YVR - low yield destination - YYZ or do the same through Calgary. Another options to run the 767 that does Hawaii into that destination during the day to increase use of the 767.

Cage
Nov 21, 2015, 6:44 PM
Definitely curious what rouge does with PSP, PHX and LAS.

For the summer season, I suspect that PHX and LAS can be serviced from YYZ base similar to SAN (e.g. YYZ-LAS-YVR-LAS-YYC-LAS-YYZ). However for the winter season; LAS is an easy combination for 763 service for both YVR and YYC. The YYC option would be Hawaii during the night and LAS during the day.

PSP could be a casualty of no rouge 319 or it could transition to mainline.

Johnny Aussie
Nov 23, 2015, 5:21 AM
http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/chinas-secondary-airlines-plan-long-haul-growth-10-airlines-to-have-widebody-aircraft-part-1-253336

Obviously Vancouver is mentioned a lot in this article.

Eight of the ten airlines in China that have wide body aircraft are already serving YVR or have intentions to do so.

As for Tianjin - YVR it mentions both Hainan's and Tianjin's applications. CAPA is unsure if they will operate jointly or Hainan will "concede" the route to Tianjin Airlines... As always, time will tell.

Also, in regards to just how important China is becoming to North American carriers, even American Airlines is considering shifting capacity from a "weakening Latin American" market to Asia.

http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/american-airlines-looks-to-catch-up-to-delta-and-united-in-asia-capacity-re-deployment-from-latam-254193

Johnny Aussie
Nov 23, 2015, 9:22 AM
UA

United is finally replacing the CR7s on the daily LAX flight with E75s for most of the winter. Hopefully this will carry on through the Spring. As mentioned previously they will have two flights on Saturdays for peak Xmas period and in February.

Also looks like all mainline for DEN this winter.

Overall UA will be flying more seats from YVR this winter.

AA

AA has also upgauged the afternoon flight to PHX from a 319 to a 320. Therefore, both daily PHX flights will be now be 320s for the winter season.

Johnny Aussie
Nov 23, 2015, 11:54 PM
The CS100 made a surprise visit to YVR today.

https://mobile.twitter.com/yvrairport/status/668863851920621568

trofirhen
Nov 24, 2015, 12:13 AM
The CS100 made a surprise visit to YVR today.

https://mobile.twitter.com/yvrairport/status/668863851920621568
Nice looking plane. Guess it's for mid-range flights. The nose reminds me a little bit of the Dehavilland Comet, very sleek.

YVR Bruce
Nov 24, 2015, 5:10 AM
My current hope is for the manufacturer (or ?) to organize a market-seeding deal to AC for a batch of those, say 10 units to start at low enough cost to cover the small fleet effect. Place them here to support thin routes to BOS / EWR / IAD / ORD. MEX too?. Timing would be good; there seems to be some stomach for sub-hub building here.
They'd get my support; my business could fill a few dozen seats a year that current go via US hubs or YYZ

jmt18325
Nov 24, 2015, 5:52 AM
I'm not sure if this was discussed here, but Air Canada is going to 4X daily CRA on Express in the spring. This means 13 more business class seats and 4 less economy. It also means more convenient connection times from Winnipeg to Asia through YVR.

Johnny Aussie
Nov 24, 2015, 6:15 AM
I'm not sure if this was discussed here, but Air Canada is going to 4X daily CRA on Express in the spring. This means 13 more business class seats and 4 less economy. It also means more convenient connection times from Winnipeg to Asia through YVR.

Is this ongoing or for April only? I can only see 4 daily CRAs in April. Then it's back to 3 daily E90s in May onwards?

jmt18325
Nov 24, 2015, 6:33 AM
Is this ongoing or for April only? I can only see 4 daily CRAs in April. Then it's back to 3 daily E90s in May onwards?

I didn't check past April so I'm not sure. That seems like a strange thing to do for only one month. Maybe they're going to alternate? Maybe they have a shortage of something for that month?

SFUVancouver
Nov 24, 2015, 6:44 AM
Nice looking plane. Guess it's for mid-range flights. The nose reminds me a little bit of the Dehavilland Comet, very sleek.

The CSeries CS100 (pictured) and larger CS130 are for short to mid-range flights. They're aiming to take the upper end of the regional jet market (RJs), essentially the 70-100 seat range, and the lower half of the 737 and A320 market in the 100-140ish seat range. They compete directly with the Embraer eJet family, the CJR family, the Sukhoi Superjet, and primarily the B737-600, -700, and -800 series, and the A318, A319, and A320 series, plus the MD80/B717 and Fokkers that are hanging around, plus it's going to help put to rest the era of the BAe Avro four-engine regional jets since there will be a STOL package available for the CS100 at some point in the near future. The thing is 50%+ composite materials and uses a brand new type of high-bypass turbofan engine from P&W: Geared Turbofans.

Johnny Aussie
Nov 24, 2015, 6:52 AM
I didn't check past April so I'm not sure. That seems like a strange thing to do for only one month. Maybe they're going to alternate? Maybe they have a shortage of something for that month?

Yeah not sure. Does seem strange but perhaps it's just a fleet shuffle as it moves planes around. YXE and YQR also two daily CRA each in April then back to CRJ in May onwards. YXE and YQR are all over the shop next few months. From CRJ to E90 to DH4 to CRA to CRJ again (no joke). AC tends to update their international schedules for each season about four months earlier than domestic and transborder. We know about LAX and SFO being put back to mainline already but the rest may still not be finalised.

casper
Nov 24, 2015, 3:05 PM
Yeah not sure. Does seem strange but perhaps it's just a fleet shuffle as it moves planes around. YXE and YQR also two daily CRA each in April then back to CRJ in May onwards. YXE and YQR are all over the shop next few months. From CRJ to E90 to DH4 to CRA to CRJ again (no joke). AC tends to update their international schedules for each season about four months earlier than domestic and transborder. We know about LAX and SFO being put back to mainline already but the rest may still not be finalised.

I lived in Saskatoon for a number of years. Around the week in February that has Family Day it was always very hard to get a seat anywhere last minute. There would days when every Air Canada, Delta and WestJet seat was sold out. If the airlines oversold it made it hard to be accommodate on another flight. Delta (and NW) did better than Air Canada and WestJet in adjusting aircraft type. Perhaps AC is trying to do the same.

I could see Saskatoon supporting a larger aircraft into Vancouver than the CRJ. It was frequently sold out or close to it and would be forced to connect in Calgary or Edmonton.

Johnny Aussie
Nov 24, 2015, 9:45 PM
Looks like National has already reduced its YVR flights.

Their website's schedule page only shows flights operating in May next year now? One month? Why bother.

They were supposed to start in January... Perhaps bookings were crap?!

:shrug:

SFUVancouver
Nov 24, 2015, 9:59 PM
Richmond’s McArthurGlen mall named world’s best outlet centre
Award announced at international retail property conference in France

The McArthurGlen Designer Outlet Vancouver won the award for best outlet centre at a major international retail property conference in France.

The MAPIC awards named winners in categories such as best retail design concept, best retail digital strategy and best new shopping centre.

London-based McArthurGlen’s only award at the MAPIC expo, which was attended by more than 8,400 people, was for its shopping centre in Richmond near Vancouver International Airport.

MAPIC provided no explanation for why the centre merited being named the best outlet centre in the world but Vancouverites have been voting with their feet for how much they like the centre.

About 160,000 people flocked to the centre during its first four days, which was the busiest for any opening four days in McArthurGlen history. The company operates 20 other malls in Europe.

It also only took a mere three months for the centre to welcome its millionth customer .

The centre’s manager, Robert Thurlow, told Business in Vancouver at the time that traffic was about 66% higher than anticipated.

[...]


https://www.biv.com/article/2015/11/richmonds-mcarthurglen-mall-named-worlds-best-outl/?utm_source=BIV+Newsletters&utm_campaign=84abf70604-Daily_Tuesday_November_24_201511_24_2015&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6d3015fdef-84abf70604-210829401

Klazu
Nov 24, 2015, 10:30 PM
MAPIC provided no explanation for why the centre merited being named the best outlet centre in the world...

It almost sounds like McArthurGlen announcing McArthurGlen Designer Outlet being the best in the world. No merit what so ever for such. :haha:

LO 044
Nov 25, 2015, 2:20 PM
Air Canada rouge Proposes Vancouver – Dublin Service in S16

Air Canada in Sabre timetable listing has filed proposed schedule for Vancouver – Dublin route. Based on proposed schedule, Air Canada rouge would be operating this route 3 times a week with Boeing 767, from 10JUN16 to 08OCT16.

AC1940 YVR1505 – 0835+1DUB 763 356
AC1941 DUB1135 – 1335YVR 763 356

Reservation is currently not available at time this post goes to press.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/11/25/zx-yvrdub-s16update1/

Valley_Refugee
Nov 25, 2015, 2:27 PM
Air Canada is throwing everything YVR's way!

Johnny Aussie
Nov 25, 2015, 5:23 PM
Wow.. That is a fantastic addition. I was thinking twice a week for DUB but three is good!

Here is YVR's press release ---> http://yvr.ca/en/flight-information/latest-information/15-11-25/Air_Canada_Connects_B_C_To_the_Emerald_Isle.aspx

And here is AC's press release ---> http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=953

And YVR's TATL tally climbs to 83 flights per week to 12 European airports next summer... Up from 70 flights pw and 10 airports.

excel
Nov 25, 2015, 9:38 PM
Awesome, I love Dublin. One more place that no longer requires a stop at YYZ.

CareerShow
Nov 25, 2015, 10:17 PM
This was somewhat unexpected was it not? It also seems AC is finally growing YVR rather just stating that YVR is a "Hub".

officedweller
Nov 25, 2015, 10:26 PM
It almost sounds like McArthurGlen announcing McArthurGlen Designer Outlet being the best in the world. No merit what so ever for such. :haha:

Just like the Georgie Awards.

LeftCoaster
Nov 25, 2015, 10:50 PM
Great news about Dublin. Hopefully all these new transatlantic seats can be filled next summer, although with it being Rouge there is not as much pressure to fill high yield seats.

Johnny, any idea how many more seats to London there are next summer vs last given the BA downgauge, extra daily AC and 6 extra westjet flights?

trofirhen
Nov 25, 2015, 11:44 PM
Air Canada is throwing everything YVR's way!
:2cents: Wonderful to be getting this attention from AC ... and rather overdue, one could say.;)

Johnny Aussie
Nov 26, 2015, 12:44 AM
Delete - double post... whoops

Johnny Aussie
Nov 26, 2015, 12:59 AM
Johnny, any idea how many more seats to London there are next summer vs last given the BA downgauge, extra daily AC and 6 extra westjet flights?

You know I do!

Net change seats per week LHR and LGW S16 vs S15:

AC: + 1,757
WS: + 1,572
TS: + 365
BA: - 857

Net Gain: + 2,837 seats per week each way.

That's a lot of extra seats to fill....

And for Europe as a whole:

AC: + 2,597 (includes rouge to DUB)
KL: + 168
WS: + 1,572
BA: - 857
TS: + 690
WK: + 30
LH: + 183

Net Gain: + 4,394 seats per week each way.

Total capacity will be about 29,200 seats per week - this is an increase of 17.7%.

Note: Condor still shows 5 flights per week on their online timetable but I can only see 4 flights per week operating (bookable). So I have removed that as an increase.

trofirhen
Nov 26, 2015, 1:05 AM
...............

That's a lot of extra seats to fill....

And for Europe as a whole:

AC: + 2,597 (includes rouge to DUB)
KL: + 168
WS: + 1,572
BA: - 857
TS: + 690
WK: + 30
LH: + 183

Net Gain: + 4,394 seats per week each way. ....
is AF missing from the list beause it's part of KLM, or are there missing stats pertinent to AIR FRANCE?

Total capacity will be about 29,200 seats per week - this is an increase of 17.7%.
....................
:)

Johnny Aussie
Nov 26, 2015, 1:44 AM
:)

Air France, Condor and Icelandair are nil change from last summer. What you are seeing is just the change in capacity from S15 to S16 only.

casper
Nov 26, 2015, 2:39 AM
You know I do!

Net change seats per week LHR and LGW S16 vs S15:

AC: + 1,757
WS: + 1,572
TS: + 365
BA: - 857

Net Gain: + 2,837 seats per week each way.

That's a lot of extra seats to fill....

And for Europe as a whole:

AC: + 2,597 (includes rouge to DUB)
KL: + 168
WS: + 1,572
BA: - 857
TS: + 690
WK: + 30
LH: + 183

Net Gain: + 4,394 seats per week each way.

Total capacity will be about 29,200 seats per week - this is an increase of 17.7%.

Note: Condor still shows 5 flights per week on their online timetable but I can only see 4 flights per week operating (bookable). So I have removed that as an increase.

At the same time there is a reduction in seats from Alberta that helps balance this out.

Johnny Aussie
Nov 26, 2015, 2:55 AM
At the same time there is a reduction in seats from Alberta that helps balance this out.

YYC to Europe will be up about 1,490 seats per week. Up about 11.3% from Summer 2015. Summer 2016 will be around 14,700 seats per week so about 1/2 of YVR.

Don't forget YYC is getting 5 weekly Westjet to LGW and Edelweiss is coming back. Plus upgauging the remaining daily LHR and the daily FRA to 787-9s. KLM will have marginally more seats too. So these more than offset the loss of the 4 weekly LHR and the reduction in Condor by one weekly flight.

YEG on the other hand will be down only about 110 seats per week with the loss of AC to LHR but the gain of the twice weekly Westjet to LGW. Total weekly seats will be about 4,610 down only 2.3%.

Alberta as a whole will have 19,300 seats per week next summer. Up about 1,390 or 7.7%.

LeftCoaster
Nov 27, 2015, 12:14 AM
^^ How do you keep track of all this stuff?! :shrug:

Very impressive



And for Europe as a whole:

AC: + 2,597 (includes rouge to DUB)
KL: + 168
WS: + 1,572
BA: - 857
TS: + 690
WK: + 30
LH: + 183

Net Gain: + 4,394 seats per week each way.

Total capacity will be about 29,200 seats per week - this is an increase of 17.7%.

Note: Condor still shows 5 flights per week on their online timetable but I can only see 4 flights per week operating (bookable). So I have removed that as an increase.

Thanks Johnny. That is indeed a huge amount of seats. Only aspect to this that makes it a bit more achievable is that a lot of the seats are low yield recreational seats. KL/TS/WS account of a good chunk of that extra capacity and should be much easier to fill than 2 or 3 class flag carriers.

casper
Nov 27, 2015, 3:18 AM
YYC to Europe will be up about 1,490 seats per week. Up about 11.3% from Summer 2015. Summer 2016 will be around 14,700 seats per week so about 1/2 of YVR.

Don't forget YYC is getting 5 weekly Westjet to LGW and Edelweiss is coming back. Plus upgauging the remaining daily LHR and the daily FRA to 787-9s. KLM will have marginally more seats too. So these more than offset the loss of the 4 weekly LHR and the reduction in Condor by one weekly flight.

YEG on the other hand will be down only about 110 seats per week with the loss of AC to LHR but the gain of the twice weekly Westjet to LGW. Total weekly seats will be about 4,610 down only 2.3%.

Alberta as a whole will have 19,300 seats per week next summer. Up about 1,390 or 7.7%.

Combine that with Vancouver and there is a lot of news seats to fill. I just do not see that are organic growth. Perhaps they are planning on fewer passengers connecting through Toronto or transboarder traffic.

Johnny Aussie
Nov 27, 2015, 3:30 AM
^^ How do you keep track of all this stuff?! :shrug:

Very impressive

Thanks Johnny. That is indeed a huge amount of seats. Only aspect to this that makes it a bit more achievable is that a lot of the seats are low yield recreational seats. KL/TS/WS account of a good chunk of that extra capacity and should be much easier to fill than 2 or 3 class flag carriers.

Super easy as I have a helper (or two) who love this kind of stuff. I just take the credit :). The info was plugged into spreadsheets years ago so now it just takes the odd update.... Just a simple data dump, sort and voilá.

Combine that with Vancouver and there is a lot of news seats to fill. I just do not see that are organic growth. Perhaps they are planning on fewer passengers connecting through Toronto or transboarder traffic.

You are correct... That is a lot of seats to fill. I think the consumer will be the winner.

So many choices for direct flights to Europe:

Air Canada, AC rouge, KLM, Air Transat, British Airways, Icelandair, Air France, Lufthansa, Condor, Edelweiss, Westjet.

Keflavik, Dublin, Glasgow, Manchester, London-LHR, London-LGW, Amsterdam, Paris, Frankfurt, Munich, Zurich, Rome.

So let's revisit this in Summer 2017 and see if there are any casualties.

vanlaw
Nov 27, 2015, 3:47 PM
Super easy as I have a helper (or two) who love this kind of stuff. I just take the credit :). The info was plugged into spreadsheets years ago so now it just takes the odd update.... Just a simple data dump, sort and voilá.



You are correct... That is a lot of seats to fill. I think the consumer will be the winner.

So many choices for direct flights to Europe:

Air Canada, AC rouge, KLM, Air Transat, British Airways, Icelandair, Air France, Lufthansa, Condor, Edelweiss, Westjet.

Keflavik, Dublin, Glasgow, Manchester, London-LHR, London-LGW, Amsterdam, Paris, Frankfurt, Munich, Zurich, Rome.

So let's revisit this in Summer 2017 and see if there are any casualties.

KLM is definitely aware that there is a ton of competition. They've had some ridiculous seat sales in the past few months. Prices I've never (well, at least in the past 8 years or so) seen for a flag carrier to Europe in shoulder/summer season. YVR to eastern Europe through AMS in June/July for under $750 return. a few years ago I'd be lucky to book for low season for $1,150. We even managed to snag a flight on KLM from eastern Europe to YVR through AMS for an in-law next March for under $450 return. I thought it was an error, but apparently it wasn't.

Gordon
Nov 27, 2015, 5:29 PM
The latest google maps shows a large cleared space just east of gate A8 is
something being built there?

Cage
Nov 27, 2015, 7:52 PM
The latest google maps shows a large cleared space just east of gate A8 is
something being built there?

Ground level holdrooms for WS Encore will be going into that spot. The Google image shows the ground preparation work where large amounts of dirt are added to compact the soil in preparation for apron and building to be erected. FYI that space was cleared in the 60s, it used to be the employee parking lot for AC people.

nname
Nov 27, 2015, 8:17 PM
The latest google maps shows a large cleared space just east of gate A8 is
something being built there?

gate A1-A7 ;)


Ground level holdrooms for WS Encore will be going into that spot. The Google image shows the ground preparation work where large amounts of dirt are added to compact the soil in preparation for apron and building to be erected. FYI that space was cleared in the 60s, it used to be the employee parking lot for AC people.

I believe Encore need more gates. CMA and Hawkair would also be moved from the B pier to A.

Johnny Aussie
Dec 1, 2015, 12:59 AM
Wow... Another amazing month for YVR.

Overall up 90,000 up 6.0%
Domestic up 26,500 up 3.2%
Transborder up 27,200 up 8.1%
Europe up 7,800 up 8.5%
Asia Pacific up 25,000 up 11.4%
Misc Int'l up 3,500 up 20.2%

TTL int'l up 63,400 up 9.5%

Overall YTD up 795,200 up 4.8%
Domestic YTD up 201,600 up 2.4%
Total Int'l YTD up 593,600 up 7.5%

TTL YTD over 17.2 million
DOM YTD ~ 8.7 million
TTL INT YTD ~ 8.5 million

Getting very close to 50/50 split between domestic and international.

http://yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/October_2015_Traffic_Update.sflb.ashx

excel
Dec 1, 2015, 4:50 AM
Wow awesome!

Hot Rod
Dec 1, 2015, 8:50 AM
20M is assured for 2015! Maybe even 21M.

CareerShow
Dec 1, 2015, 8:34 PM
Anyone have any idea about Westjets frequencies to Hawaii this year? Has the addition of the 767 Alberta routes lowered the frequencies out of YVR? I remember last year Lihue and Kona were daily and Maui and Honolulu were 14 weekly each.

trofirhen
Dec 1, 2015, 9:53 PM
20M is assured for 2015! Maybe even 21M.
20M I'm sure of! (yay!) ..... 21M is perhaps stretching it a bit, I think.