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Cage
Apr 13, 2016, 10:24 PM
Talking about stars, does anyone else think that Air Canada might soon lose their coveted fourth star? They are using it a lot in their advertising, emphasizing how they are the only four-star North American airline. I am just a bit worried that they will be losing their extra star soon, as their product is getting worse by the year (luggage fees, less leg room, poor snacks, etc.). To be honest, I don't know how Air Canada is any different from United, which I fly a lot and is only three stars? :shrug:

Unlikely that AC would lose their four star Skytrax status. Skytrax only analyzes service out of the airline's primary hub airport, which for AC is YYZ. YYZ has upgraded lounges, dedicated checkin counters for Business Class, priority screening for AC Business traffic, etc.

So for example AC lounges in YYZ are compared to UA lounges in ORD, The AA lounges in DFW, and the DL lounges in ATL.

The Business Class seats get a 4.5 star rating to compensate for 3.5 star rating of AC Economy Seats. AC Rouge does not affect the mainline star rating.

trofirhen
Apr 13, 2016, 10:26 PM
I don't think you are flying United enough if you think Air Canada and United are equivalent...
I think American Airlines has better in-flight service than UA or AC. Attentive and professional. (and often, somewhat older people than the others; more experienced, perhaps(?))
And yes, I've flown all three.

Klazu
Apr 13, 2016, 11:46 PM
I don't think you are flying United enough if you think Air Canada and United are equivalent...

I have only flown United coast-to-coast (several times) but never long-haul. I think they have nice new planes and their snacks have been improving. I fail to see any difference in YVR-ORD on UA vs. YVR-YYZ on AC when it's on same size planes.

I have only flown Air Canada in economy, so I don't know how their business class is being. But I taken a note how comments for their 450+ passenger 77Ws on SeatGuru.com are really poor, even for business class. Their 77W economy is very poor leg room wise and it is astounishing how few lavatories those planes have for their size. I think no other main line flies such poor configuration and AC 787s are actually not much better.

I just wonder what the advantages for AC are over UA, but perhaps it is in the more premium product.

Out of the three big American airlines I have only flown UA and few times Delta. I recall Deltahaving been very average. I have never happened to fly American or US Airways (when it still was around).

nname
Apr 14, 2016, 12:09 AM
I just wonder what the advantages for AC are over UA, but perhaps it is in the more premium product.

The seat-back entertainment system, for AC mainline at least

Cage
Apr 14, 2016, 2:53 AM
I just wonder what the advantages for AC are over UA, but perhaps it is in the more premium product.

AC biggest advantage over UA and most other North American Airlines is the Concierge program, available to SE travelling on any fare plus International Business Class pax. Concierges are AC best and brightest Customer Service Agents at the airport and are empowered to bend the rules. If you will be late for checkin, call ahead and the concierge will meet you at the terminal door with boarding pass and bag tag in hand, escort you through security for front of the line access, and follow you right to the gate, walling ahead to the gate to make sure your seat is not given away.

AC maple leaf lounge is miles ahead of UA Club. Plus AC gives access to the MLL for mid tier members while UA makes everyone not in 1k or Global Services pay for access when on domestic flight.

AC frequent flyer status gives international upgrades to mid tier members (35k, 50k, 75k) where as only UA top tier (1k or GS) get these upgrades. To compensate, UA complementary upgrades on North American flights are way better than AC Eupgrades.

AC wide bodies have true premium economy class with bigger seat compared to economy and business class meal service. UA economy has economy plus which is same seat but more legroom.

casper
Apr 14, 2016, 4:04 AM
I just wonder what the advantages for AC are over UA, but perhaps it is in the more premium product.


Everything Cage said.... plus.....

Small and big things in no particular order:

United has limited in-flight entertainment. Versus Air Canada more inclusive product.

United buy-on-board in economy is garbage. Snack boxes made of pre-packaged stuff. Processed chease product that can be spread on basic crackers, low grade mass produced snacks. Air Canada has sandwiches, and the option of buying the hot entree from business class.

Seats are OK on older aircraft and equally as bad on new aircraft.

Gate staff and checkin staff treat you a bit more like a number on United.

If you fly on United regional flights they don't have cream for the coffee it is the powder stuff that neither tastes nor looks like cream. Jazz has real cream.

My experience with American is poor but it has more to do with the fact I have only ever flow on a code-share through WestJet and the computer systems between those two airlines don't work as well as they should.

I have to say Alaska is the best in the lot on the US side followed by Delta.

The lounge for United in places like Chicago or San Francisco is overcrowded, food choices tend to be pre-packaged cheese and little factory made cookies. The wine is usually the cheapest thing that will pass being called wine. Air Canada has more fresh food, the interior decorating is better, the wine is better, the selection of magazines is better.

The one thing United (and all the us airlines have going for them) is if there is a cancelled flight there are move willing to move you on to a flight operated by one of the other airlines to get you where you need to be. Air Canada is probably a bit more willing to accept responsibility for the problem but they are more likely to restrict their search for alternative to Star Alliance flights.

moosejaw
Apr 14, 2016, 4:49 PM
I would say Virgin followed by Alaska is the best in the lot
Delta is the best out of the big four airlines

You guys would absolutely cringe if you had to fly Spirit Airlines. Its pretty much the greyhound of the skies.

s211
Apr 14, 2016, 5:09 PM
I would say Virgin followed by Alaska is the best in the lot
Delta is the best out of the big four airlines

You guys would absolutely cringe if you had to fly Spirit Airlines. Its pretty much the greyhound of the skies.

Hey, there was a greyhound of the skies back in the mid-90s, and it was the greyhound of the skies. I flew it Calgary-Toronto back in the day once, and there were practically goats and chickens in the arrivals baggage area (the old T1 in Toronto, IIRC), the baggage was so dodgy.

whatnext
Apr 14, 2016, 7:20 PM
I have only flown United coast-to-coast (several times) but never long-haul. I think they have nice new planes and their snacks have been improving. I fail to see any difference in YVR-ORD on UA vs. YVR-YYZ on AC when it's on same size planes.

I have only flown Air Canada in economy, so I don't know how their business class is being. But I taken a note how comments for their 450+ passenger 77Ws on SeatGuru.com are really poor, even for business class. Their 77W economy is very poor leg room wise and it is astounishing how few lavatories those planes have for their size. I think no other main line flies such poor configuration and AC 787s are actually not much better.

I just wonder what the advantages for AC are over UA, but perhaps it is in the more premium product.

Out of the three big American airlines I have only flown UA and few times Delta. I recall Deltahaving been very average. I have never happened to fly American or US Airways (when it still was around).

I shudder to think of what AC's 77Ws are like when full. I've successfully planned my economy trips on them in quiet times and even then there were queues for the toilets. Their international economy meal service has also really gone downhill.

Vin
Apr 14, 2016, 9:30 PM
I shudder to think of what AC's 77Ws are like when full. I've successfully planned my economy trips on them in quiet times and even then there were queues for the toilets. Their international economy meal service has also really gone downhill.

Yeah, especially if the AC77Ws are filled with corrupted chinese with bagloads of money right?

(reminder: no more mall jibes ok?)

deasine
Apr 14, 2016, 11:27 PM
Cage and Casper summarised it quite well. I've never flown UA's J but have flown similar variants, but AC's J especially the new 787 and upcoming retrofit 777 product is significantly better than UA.

Funny you bring up about the reviews for the AC's 777-300ER Klazu. LX older J product is the exact same one as AC's 777-300ER, but LX never had any bad reviews, nor did OS and SN which have the same product. I find it comes down to relativity. AC had, at the time, and industry renowned herringbone product with all-aisle access, privacy, and long flat beds. When comparing AC's 777-300ER J to its older herringbone J, it is definitely a step down which explains the bad reviews. But for LX/SN/OS, it was a step up for their customers which was the first introduction of flatbed seating in their fleets, and they never had bad reviews for it!

And yes my experience with US carriers is consistent that of Casper's, Alaska and Delta are really the only major US carrier that is a bit better in terms of customer service. And yes in IRROPS, US carriers also manage rebookings much better than any carrier in the world.

trofirhen
Apr 15, 2016, 12:32 AM
.............. And yes in IRROPS, US carriers also manage rebookings much better than any carrier in the world.

Where would Air Canada rate in managing rebookings? Way down there? Or is it ok, or what? thanx

Cage
Apr 15, 2016, 3:15 AM
Where would Air Canada rate in managing rebookings? Way down there? Or is it ok, or what? thanx

Compared to the main US based airlines, AC rebooking is better because it's called upon less often.

AC app has canceled flight module that kicks anything offered by the US based airlines. This is great for pax who have the app and terrible for those who are relying on passenger service desk or ticketting to solve their problem. I have reaccomodated myself in 45 seconds, great for me but the lady with infant in arms got the seats taken out from under her by the time she walked 20 feet to the counter.

Ua excels at publishing their standby list for everyone to see, this reduces a lot of gate agent interference as anyone can Review the agents actions in real time. Great for frequent flyer who are high up on the priority list, however not so great for groups or families that must travel together. On some forums, the gate agent shenanigans are so frequent that they have a code name, Sheena. However if you are travelling in a group, the transparency can be a negative as any attempt by the gate agents to create a special circumstance can be easily spotted by the frequent fliers.

Rebooking on other airlines is a factor of US air transport legislation and that there are more airlines to complete the transfer. Here in Canada, WS will not set up an interline agreement with AC, so there is very limited ability for pax reaccomodation

casper
Apr 15, 2016, 3:30 AM
Where would Air Canada rate in managing rebookings? Way down there? Or is it ok, or what? thanx

Air Canada is good at rebooking. However there approach is to re-book on their own flights and if they can't do that then Star Alliance partners. If they can't that way then interline partners.

The US carriers do the same thing. In the US all the major legacy airlines interline with each other (and Air Canada for that matter). They are move likely to move you onto another airline because it is easy for them to do it.

In Canada domestically the problem is WestJet started a low-cost airline that did not interline with anyone. Last couple of years they have added interlines but they still don't have one with Air Canada.

As an example, I have been in Edmonton with a cancelled Air Canada flight and AC moved all of us over to Canadian North. WestJet who also operate the route is not even visible.

casper
Apr 15, 2016, 3:38 AM
Compared to the main US based airlines, AC rebooking is better because it's called upon less often.

AC app has canceled flight module that kicks anything offered by the US based airlines. This is great for pax who have the app and terrible for those who are relying on passenger service desk or ticketting to solve their problem. I have reaccomodated myself in 45 seconds, great for me but the lady with infant in arms got the seats taken out from under her by the time she walked 20 feet to the counter.
.....

Rebooking on other airlines is a factor of US air transport legislation and that there are more airlines to complete the transfer. Here in Canada, WS will not set up an interline agreement with AC, so there is very limited ability for pax reaccomodation

I agree the app is nice.

I did not know WS was the holdout on that. They would gain the most from an interline. When I lived in Saskatoon after one of two IROP where they moved me to the next day because they have so few flights I stopped flying them. Had they been able to move me over to AC they would have likely picked up more of my business.

ShawnShank
Apr 15, 2016, 11:44 PM
Air France equipment-swapped in a 777-300ER today instead of the usual -200ER

EDIT: Managed to capture this (fairly shitty) pic of it from my balcony

http://i.imgur.com/6oee4XJ.png

trofirhen
Apr 16, 2016, 12:15 AM
Air France equipment-swapped in a 777-300ER today instead of the usual -200ER
Is this just a one-off, or a future trend? Apparently the AF Paris run is exceeding expectations.

ShawnShank
Apr 16, 2016, 3:53 AM
Is this just a one-off, or a future trend? Apparently the AF Paris run is exceeding expectations.

One off, the flight got delayed by a few hours as well. Last time this happened was also a one-off in November or around that time. I'd love to see the AF 77W on the regular here, but I think they would at least go daily year-round before that happens (unless the route is really seasonal?)

twoNeurons
Apr 18, 2016, 7:22 PM
Is this just a one-off, or a future trend? Apparently the AF Paris run is exceeding expectations.

hehehe... i see your cheeky grin trofirhen. Well done. ;)

Johnny Aussie
Apr 19, 2016, 7:57 AM
Effective mid July LH will be flying the 346 5x per week instead of 3x per week as originally scheduled for summer 2016 on the YVR-MUC route.

Yet another boost to summer 2016 Europe capacity.

The 346s will operate x35. Days 3 and 5 will continue to operate with the 333.

nname
Apr 19, 2016, 8:10 AM
As I predicted, China Airlines is once again increasing YVR-TPE to 11x weekly this summer to use up all the bilateral frequency. But this year the increase stayed for almost 4 weeks (15 round-trips) instead of just a single week (4 round-trips)

This year the service will jump from 5x weekly to 11x weekly on the week of June 14th, and drop back to daily on July 12th, then back to 5x weekly in September. The new flights (CI 33/34) departs a few hours before the regular (CI 31/32) flight, and will use a mix of A343 (0-1x weekly) and B744 (3-4x weekly)

LeftCoaster
Apr 19, 2016, 6:36 PM
Mid June to mid July? That's an odd time. Why not mid-July to mid-August? That seems much more like peak tourist season to me.

Is it something in Taipei which makes June more appropriate?

Either way nice little bump. Assuming the flights are full that's another 8,600 intl PAX over last years 1 week frequency increase.

twoNeurons
Apr 19, 2016, 6:52 PM
Mid June to mid July? That's an odd time. Why not mid-July to mid-August? That seems much more like peak tourist season to me.

Is it something in Taipei which makes June more appropriate?

Either way nice little bump. Assuming the flights are full that's another 8,600 intl PAX over last years 1 week frequency increase.

It is way too hot and humid in July and August. It's also the middle of typhoon season.

nname
Apr 19, 2016, 7:04 PM
Mid June to mid July? That's an odd time. Why not mid-July to mid-August? That seems much more like peak tourist season to me.

Is it something in Taipei which makes June more appropriate?

Either way nice little bump. Assuming the flights are full that's another 8,600 intl PAX over last years 1 week frequency increase.

CI bump YVR-TPE to fill up the available frequency twice a year on the last week of June and December to prevent BR from getting them. Guess this is the bare minimum to make it "seasonal 11x weekly".

Last year the extra flights was on:
June 28th, June 30th (9x weekly, plus BR 4xYVR 4xYYZ = 17x weekly cap)
Dec 21st, Dec 22nd, Dec 24th, Dec 25th (11x weekly, plus BR 5xYVR 5xYYZ = 21x weekly cap)

Traveled that route many time, I can say late-August and first week of September is as busy as late-June and early-July, but they probably need the planes elsewhere at that time :cool:

LeftCoaster
Apr 19, 2016, 9:37 PM
I really wish Canada and Taiwan would open up some more slots. Every time we talk about this it seems like there is a ton of pent up demand for double daily or more to TPE.

It is way too hot and humid in July and August. It's also the middle of typhoon season.

I was thinking more Vancouver's peak tourist season.

Taipei would be much more pleasant in the shoulder seasons I would imagine.

Johnny Aussie
Apr 19, 2016, 11:05 PM
I really wish Canada and Taiwan would open up some more slots. Every time we talk about this it seems like there is a ton of pent up demand for double daily or more to TPE.

If I were EVA Air I would lobby against CI "utilising" the remaining slots for such a short period. Use it or lose it is my motto.

Just like the DOT in the US when they allocate slots. Use them or lose them. A great case to watch is the constant HND battle.

The problem with the Canada-Taiwan bilateral is also the cap is based on frequency and not capacity (seats). Obviously as the 744s are phased out they will be replaced with smaller planes as both CI and BR don't have anything larger on their order books! Taiwan is also seasonal as indicated by CI adjusting their frequencies down in the slower seasons

Hourglass
Apr 20, 2016, 3:15 AM
Came across an article claiming YVR is second only to LAX on the west coast in terms of number of Asian flights (http://www.travelweek.ca/news/vancouver-yvr-adding-13-new-air-services-2016/).

A bit surprised by this -- YVR has grown into a major hub for Asian destinations, but I would've thought that SFO still has more flights to Asia (a cursory glance at schedules from SFO to cities such as Tokyo, Seoul and Taipei seems to bear this out).

SFO definitely has more passenger traffic to Asia than YVR (not surprising given the much larger population of the Bay Area compared with Metro Vancouver), but that could be partly explained by size of aircraft used.

Huge growth in China flights from YVR, maybe? Curious to get people's thoughts...

ShawnShank
Apr 20, 2016, 4:44 PM
And another Air France - 300er, almost beginning to look intentional at this point

connect2source
Apr 20, 2016, 7:03 PM
Effective mid July LH will be flying the 346 5x per week instead of 3x per week as originally scheduled for summer 2016 on the YVR-MUC route.

Yet another boost to summer 2016 Europe capacity.

The 346s will operate x35. Days 3 and 5 will continue to operate with the 333.

Great news! Love the 346, so few left flying in the world, the lower level washrooms make for a very unique experience.

mezzanine
Apr 20, 2016, 7:46 PM
Good news for YVR - the new fuel depot on the south arm of the fraser got the last approvals from the Port of Metro Vancouver and YVR is now able to build it. Construction should start in a few weeks. Even though the Feds have changed the approvals process, they have pledged it won't be retroactive.

IMO this is important infrastructure to the airport and the best of several choices.

Off hand, anyone know about the status of the NS Taxiway? That would also be unglamorous but important infrastructure for YVR.

It’s official. Construction on a jet fuel terminal on the Fraser River’s south arm, as well as a pipeline crossing diagonally across Richmond to Vancouver International Airport, will begin as early as next week.

On Wednesday, Port Metro Vancouver (PMV) issued a project permit to the Vancouver Airport Fuel Facilities Corporation, a consortium of airlines, allowing it to build a loading dock and six storage tanks for the jet fuel. The facility, near the Riverport entertainment complex, will also include a small operations building, a foam storage and incident command centre and spill containment infrastructure.

It is anticipated construction will take 18 to 24 months.

http://www.richmond-news.com/news/jet-fuel-facility-gets-permit-from-port-metro-vancouver-1.2184837#sthash.ttVq9g7N.dpuf

SFUVancouver
Apr 21, 2016, 7:24 PM
Ah, the A346: "the flying pencil"!

http://i.imgur.com/tBEFPtN.jpg?1
Source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A340)

trofirhen
Apr 21, 2016, 8:47 PM
Nice plane. I especially liked the downstairs bathrooms, and wish other designers would do the same. On LH, the tourist class seats were a classy grey, and really comfortable

Gordon
Apr 22, 2016, 6:11 PM
Has there been any construction updates on the Pier A expansion?

Johnny Aussie
Apr 23, 2016, 3:03 AM
With the summer season about to officially kick off... let's say 1 May (BA 388)
I was looking over my notes and realised this has to be the largest increase in new routes/upgauges etc for as long as I remember. It's getting to the point of almost overwhelming.

But here goes as as brief a summary as possible compared to last summer.

This is changes only.

INTERNATIONAL

Air Canada

GAINS
ICN from 788 to 789
NRT from 788 to 77W
PVG from 788 to 77W
KIX increases from 5 to 6 weekly
DUB **new** 3 weekly rouge 763
LHR additional daily flight on a 788 - so double daily 77W/788
BNE **new** daily 788
PVR **new* once weekly rouge 763
PEK increased capacity from a 77W to a HD 77W
SYD increased capacity from a 77L to a HD 77L
LOSSES
SJD weekly 319 discontinued

China Airlines
TPE daily 744 for the entire summer - plus-
Frequency increase to 11 weekly for a longer period this summer.

Korean Air
ICN from 744 to 748

China Southern
CAN from 788 to 77W

British Airways
LHR from 12 weekly 744 to daily 388 (capacity reduction)

Lufthansa
MUC from daily 333 to 5x weekly 346 / 2x weekly 333

KLM
AMS from daily 333 to daily 772

All Nippon
HND from 788 to 789

Qantas
SYD 3 weekly on 744 for a longer run this summer

Aeromexico
MEX daily 73W/73H mix

Westjet
LGW **new** 6 weekly 763

Xiamen
XMN **new** 3 weekly 788

Philippines
MNL reduced from 11 weekly to 7 weekly 77W (capacity reduction)

Air Transat
LGW increased from 6 weekly to daily 332
FCO **new** one weekly 332

Condor
FRA increased from 4 to 5 weekly 763

Transborder changes - not in depth
AC new routes to SJC, SAN and ORD. EWR goes to a 788 from 319. LAX, ANC and SFO de-rouged. SEA/PDX to be all DH4.
WS new route to SAN. LIH and KOA dropped in favour of more OGG/HNL.
AS LAX dumped and mainline added to SEA.

Domestic changes - not in depth
WS new routes to YHM, YQU and YHZ.

nname
Apr 23, 2016, 5:06 AM
Air China
PEK Frequency increase for 2x daily for longer period this summer

EVA Air
TPE 5x weekly compared to 4x weekly last summer

Johnny Aussie
Apr 23, 2016, 5:35 AM
Air China
PEK Frequency increase for 2x daily for longer period this summer

EVA Air
TPE 5x weekly compared to 4x weekly last summer

Right you are thanks.

Yup, so many changes more likely to miss something.

And Air China fiddling with equipment with the 332 on for two months

SFUVancouver
Apr 23, 2016, 9:44 PM
Wow. When you spell it all out like that, it's a dramatic set of changes coming to YVR this summer. The BA A388 might be the most visible change, but it's far from the only one. Thank you for all the work that went into compiling this.

trofirhen
Apr 24, 2016, 12:27 AM
Think we'll hit, or pass, the 21 million pax mark this year?

Johnny Aussie
Apr 25, 2016, 1:05 AM
Think we'll hit, or pass, the 21 million pax mark this year?

2015 final total was 20,315,978
For 2016 to hit/exceed 21,000,000 need an increase of 684,022
This would require a growth rate of ~3.4%

YTD so far of 8.7% - factoring in the leap day in Feb and then factoring all the increases coming online.... if I were a betting man, I would say yes... absolutely... barring any unusual events this year.

Klazu
Apr 25, 2016, 1:14 AM
Considering that YVR's plan is also to hit 25 million by 2020, we better keep this pace.

Canadian74
Apr 25, 2016, 9:26 PM
BNE is daily ? That's good.... thought it was 3 or 4 weekly.
Would be nice to get some additional frequencies to HKG too from CX or AC

Johnny Aussie
Apr 25, 2016, 11:44 PM
BNE is daily ? That's good.... thought it was 3 or 4 weekly.
Would be nice to get some additional frequencies to HKG too from CX or AC

When AC announced BNE it was initially going to be 3x per week. It was restricted based on the Canada-Australia bilateral at the time of the announcement. Once the allowable capacity was increased, and in under two weeks, AC announced it was bumping YVR-BNE to daily.

I would think YVR-HKG could handle a few extra frequencies per week. According to what I've heard, AC on YVR-HKG is doing swimmingly. But I am unsure they would add additional frequencies there versus starting a new Asian route. I could see CX adding a third flight perhaps 3-4 times per week. I doubt they would be ready to add another daily flight off the bat. The last time they did that was to fight off Oasis... once Oasis was gone, CX rolled back to twice daily only.

LeftCoaster
Apr 25, 2016, 11:44 PM
^ It's starting out as 3 per week IIRC then going to daily quite quickly.

With the summer season about to officially kick off... let's say 1 May (BA 388)
I was looking over my notes and realised this has to be the largest increase in new routes/upgauges etc for as long as I remember. It's getting to the point of almost overwhelming.

But here goes as as brief a summary as possible compared to last summer.

This is changes only.

INTERNATIONAL

Air Canada

GAINS
ICN from 788 to 789
NRT from 788 to 77W
PVG from 788 to 77W
KIX increases from 5 to 6 weekly
DUB **new** 3 weekly rouge 763
LHR additional daily flight on a 788 - so double daily 77W/788
BNE **new** daily 788
PVR **new* once weekly rouge 763
PEK increased capacity from a 77W to a HD 77W
SYD increased capacity from a 77L to a HD 77L
LOSSES
SJD weekly 319 discontinued

China Airlines
TPE daily 744 for the entire summer - plus-
Frequency increase to 11 weekly for a longer period this summer.

Korean Air
ICN from 744 to 748

China Southern
CAN from 788 to 77W

British Airways
LHR from 12 weekly 744 to daily 388 (capacity reduction)

Lufthansa
MUC from daily 333 to 5x weekly 346 / 2x weekly 333

KLM
AMS from daily 333 to daily 772

All Nippon
HND from 788 to 789

Qantas
SYD 3 weekly on 744 for a longer run this summer

Aeromexico
MEX daily 73W/73H mix

Westjet
LGW **new** 6 weekly 763

Xiamen
XMN **new** 3 weekly 788

Philippines
MNL reduced from 11 weekly to 7 weekly 77W (capacity reduction)

Air Transat
LGW increased from 6 weekly to daily 332
FCO **new** one weekly 332

Condor
FRA increased from 4 to 5 weekly 763

Transborder changes - not in depth
AC new routes to SJC, SAN and ORD. EWR goes to a 788 from 319. LAX, ANC and SFO de-rouged. SEA/PDX to be all DH4.
WS new route to SAN. LIH and KOA dropped in favour of more OGG/HNL.
AS LAX dumped and mainline added to SEA.

Domestic changes - not in depth
WS new routes to YHM, YQU and YHZ.

Simply colossal, it's probably easier to put together what routes aren't being increased!

I was posting a bit earlier in the year that if the uptake of these routes is anywhere near the increase in seats we could be looking at a huge growth year. Fingers crossed the capacity is absorbed well!

Also look at the love from AC... perhaps the complaints about Air Toronto will cool down?

LeftCoaster
Apr 25, 2016, 11:58 PM
I would think YVR-HKG could handle a few extra frequencies per week. According to what I've heard, AC on YVR-HKG is doing swimmingly. But I am unsure they would add additional frequencies there versus starting a new Asian route. I could see CX adding a third flight perhaps 3-4 times per week. I doubt they would be ready to add another daily flight off the bat. The last time they did that was to fight off Oasis... once Oasis was gone, CX rolled back to twice daily only.

I'd much rather see a flight to SZX than another frequency to HKG, that would be perfect. Daily Hainan dreamliner would fit the route quite nicely. :)

trofirhen
Apr 26, 2016, 12:21 AM
I heard some time back that Craig richmond had expressed an interest in getting THY Vancouver to Istanbul, which I imagine would suit our needs better and with less contention than any of the M3 airlines. Today, I called YVR, couldn't get through to route development, but someone did tell me that there is in fact a petition going around to get Turkish (!) Any news on this? It would be a great one to have. ... IMHO

Johnny Aussie
Apr 26, 2016, 1:25 AM
^ It's starting out as 3 per week IIRC then going to daily quite quickly.

Yes, when AC originally announced BNE it was going to start mid June. Then they rolled forward the start date to 1 June. Then they announced BNE would go daily. So for the first two weeks the flight is in fact 3x week only. Daily kicks in on the 17th June. The same day a lot of the international routes shuttle equipment.

I'd much rather see a flight to SZX than another frequency to HKG, that would be perfect. Daily Hainan dreamliner would fit the route quite nicely. :)

SZX is going crazy on the application front. I don't think there is anything official but I am confident YVR is being looked at very closely.

Keep in mind there is a backlog of Chinese Airlines applications for new routes to Canada. Now being hampered by the lack of available frequencies.

nname
Apr 26, 2016, 1:51 AM
Keep in mind there is a backlog of Chinese Airlines applications for new routes to Canada. Now being hampered by the lack of available frequencies.

Would CAAC approve new routes even knowing that it will exceed the permitted frequency/capacity?

They recently released a list of approved new routes, and its pretty clear that not all the route applied will receive approval. Hainan's Tianjin-Vancouver was approved, but Tianjin's Chongqing-Tianjin-Vancouver and Beijing Capital's Hangzhou-Qingdao-Vancouver did not.

Just a note - CZ now planned to start CAN-YYZ in Sept. So apparently there are still capacity available...

Klazu
Apr 26, 2016, 2:55 AM
Today, I called YVR, couldn't get through to route development, but someone did tell me that there is in fact a petition going around to get Turkish (!)

I don't have any update to that, but I tip my hat to you taking action. You called all the way from France to YVR to inquire this? Props to you. :yes:

Johnny Aussie
Apr 26, 2016, 4:03 AM
Would CAAC approve new routes even knowing that it will exceed the permitted frequency/capacity?

They recently released a list of approved new routes, and its pretty clear that not all the route applied will receive approval. Hainan's Tianjin-Vancouver was approved, but Tianjin's Chongqing-Tianjin-Vancouver and Beijing Capital's Hangzhou-Qingdao-Vancouver did not.

Just a note - CZ now planned to start CAN-YYZ in Sept. So apparently there are still capacity available...

CAN-YYZ was factored in to the quota. I believe they are restricted to only 4 weekly. My source says it is more complicated than just a simple # of frequencies per week. I am not privy to the whole story but safe to say there is definitely not the availability for all current applications.

I didn't realise Hainan's Tianjin-YVR route has been actually approved. Do you have details on that?

mezzanine
Apr 26, 2016, 4:21 AM
Stumbled on some old route maps for CP Air (1978):

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bGrOfwWLZ6Q/UDFQ46BS6NI/AAAAAAAAEXM/FiDFieql-4g/s1600/CP+Air+Oct+78+Route+Map.jpg

http://timetablist.blogspot.ca (http://timetablist.blogspot.ca/2012_08_01_archive.html)

The incredibly complex connectivity of the classic Canadian Pacific Air Lines route network in October 1978 is shown here in this blazoning vintage advert. Then operating as CP Air, the aviation arm of the Canadian conglomerate offered passenger services to 14 international airports on five continents from no less than five separate gateways across Canada.

Particularly key was the European gateway of Amsterdam, which lined to four Canadian cities: Edmonton, Calgary, Winnipeg and Toronto, although somewhat oddly not its primary airport, Vancouver. CP Air jets also departed Toronto for Milan, and Rome, with onward service to Athens from both Rome and Amsterdam. Rome and Lisbon, but not Amsterdam, were served from Montreal, which also enjoyed service to Mexico City. Toronto was also linked to Mexico City as well as Acapulco and Lima. Whether the continuing service from Lima to Santiago, finally terminating at Buenos Aires, were originally from Toronto or Vancouver is unclear.


Hmmm, maybe in the old days, a lot of direct flights, but not non-stops..

mezzanine
Apr 26, 2016, 4:27 AM
And the other one from AC. (1971)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uers0oqTNx8/UHcm1Ie5qII/AAAAAAAAIuE/mxmtyQk0kyQ/s1600/AC+air+canada+1971+2+route+maps.jpg

http://airline-memorabilia.blogspot.ca (http://airline-memorabilia.blogspot.ca/2012/10/air-canada-19711972-canada-europa-usa.html)

Air Canada was serving the airline serving more European cities from Canada than any other carrier ... duh! quite an obvious fact, but still they had an impressive coverage of the European continent, serving cities both in Western and Eastern Europe (Prague was the latest addition to the Air Canada route map at the time). On the other hand, Air Canada was just confined to North American and European destinations.


Interesting that Montreal was a bigger hub than YYZ. And edmonton to copenhagen direct?

casper
Apr 26, 2016, 4:53 AM
Stumbled on some old route maps for CP Air (1978):

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bGrOfwWLZ6Q/UDFQ46BS6NI/AAAAAAAAEXM/FiDFieql-4g/s1600/CP+Air+Oct+78+Route+Map.jpg

http://timetablist.blogspot.ca (http://timetablist.blogspot.ca/2012_08_01_archive.html)



Hmmm, maybe in the old days, a lot of direct flights, but not non-stops..

Back then I did the CP service to Lisbon. I was a child back then. We would fly Vancouver to Toronto and connect onto the CP flight from Toronto, it would stop in Mirabel to take on additional passengers then continue on to Lisbon. Mirabel was actually an interesting airport, you would end on a remote stand, the cabin crew would open one of the side door and one of these passenger busses would dock onto the aircraft.

The CP flights were timed to connect with TAP Air Portugal service to Africa.

After CP ran into trouble and dropped the route in the 1990s, TAP Air Portugal started to operate it during the summer as a charter. Same route Toronto-Mirabel-Lisbon except they used an L1011.

Unfortunate CP died out. They were a great airline to fly on.

nname
Apr 26, 2016, 5:31 AM
That AC map is pretty hard to read... :uhh:

I didn't realise Hainan's Tianjin-YVR route has been actually approved. Do you have details on that?

The original source is in Chinese, but here is an English summary of the list (http://www.chinaaviationdaily.com/news/52/52109.html). Note that the "Vancouver" under China Eastern is a typo, as there is no mention of any new service by MU in the PDF.

So the following Canadian routes were approved in Q1, in this order (out of total 51 approvals):
#14 Shanghai-Montreal
#15 Guangzhou-Toronto
#23 Tianjin-Vancouver

twoNeurons
Apr 26, 2016, 6:08 AM
With the summer season about to officially kick off... let's say 1 May (BA 388)
I was looking over my notes and realised this has to be the largest increase in new routes/upgauges etc for as long as I remember. It's getting to the point of almost overwhelming.

But here goes as as brief a summary as possible compared to last summer.

This is changes only.

INTERNATIONAL

Air Canada

GAINS
ICN from 788 to 789
NRT from 788 to 77W
PVG from 788 to 77W
KIX increases from 5 to 6 weekly
BNE **new** daily 788

China Southern
CAN from 788 to 77W

All downgrades in my eyes. 787 is easily the nicest plane to fly in. A bit sad to see upgrades from 787 to 777.


AC new routes to SJC, SAN and ORD. EWR goes to a 788 from 319.
On the other hand. Upgrade to New York.

LeftCoaster
Apr 26, 2016, 5:42 PM
I heard some time back that Craig richmond had expressed an interest in getting THY Vancouver to Istanbul, which I imagine would suit our needs better and with less contention than any of the M3 airlines. Today, I called YVR, couldn't get through to route development, but someone did tell me that there is in fact a petition going around to get Turkish (!) Any news on this? It would be a great one to have. ... IMHO

Wow, love the dedication. Certainly would be a huge one to get IMO, great connections to the ME, Africa and India and Star Alliance to boot.

Would likely take a bite out of YVR-LHR traffic though.




SZX is going crazy on the application front. I don't think there is anything official but I am confident YVR is being looked at very closely.

Very strange that SZX was essentially a domestic airport for so long. huge unserved demand I would imagine.

any idea who would be interested in flying it? Only 2 listed airlines hubbing there with the equipment to fly to NA are Hainan and China Southern. CX would be unlikely due to their adjacent route from CAN so my guess is Hainan would be the likely operator?


The original source is in Chinese, but here is an English summary of the list (http://www.chinaaviationdaily.com/news/52/52109.html). Note that the "Vancouver" under China Eastern is a typo, as there is no mention of any new service by MU in the PDF.

So the following Canadian routes were approved in Q1, in this order (out of total 51 approvals):
#14 Shanghai-Montreal
#15 Guangzhou-Toronto
#23 Tianjin-Vancouver

Somewhat frustrating that a lot of potential traffic is getting caught up in capacity restraints. I suppose it leaves some room for 2017 growth though, since as Johnny already showed us 2016 growth is pretty ambitious as is.

Is the China/Canada bilateral constantly being reassessed or will be it be done in a big announcement like Australia?

nname
Apr 26, 2016, 6:26 PM
Very strange that SZX was essentially a domestic airport for so long. huge unversed demand I would imagine.

any idea who would be interested in flying it? Only 2 listed airlines hubbing there are Hainan and China Southern. CX would be unlikely due to their adjacent route from CAN so my guess is Hainan would be the likley operator?

And also Shenzhen Airlines (Star Alliance, subsidiary of Air China). Air China does some of the long haul from SZX for now, but ZH planned to have their own long haul fleet eventually

Johnny Aussie
Apr 26, 2016, 11:04 PM
Stumbled on some old route maps for CP Air (1978):

Hmmm, maybe in the old days, a lot of direct flights, but not non-stops..

And the other one from AC. (1971)

Thanks for posting these... reminds me I have steamer trunk FULL of old airline memorabilia of which a lot are the old printed timetables. I have quite the collection! In fact I wouldn't be surprised if I have these exact ones from the late 70s. I don't have anything from 1971 though.

Makes me want to go home and crack it open and dig through my "treasures"

:cheers:

Johnny Aussie
Apr 26, 2016, 11:08 PM
So the following Canadian routes were approved in Q1, in this order (out of total 51 approvals):
#14 Shanghai-Montreal
#15 Guangzhou-Toronto
#23 Tianjin-Vancouver

Great! Thanks for the info. So it looks like Hainan will be coming after all! Very colourful. Looking forward to an official announcement.

So at least one of the Hainan Group of carriers will be coming to YVR. I have a feeling Tianjin won't now but Beijing Capital is still in the pipeline...

All downgrades in my eyes. 787 is easily the nicest plane to fly in. A bit sad to see upgrades from 787 to 777.


On the other hand. Upgrade to New York.

Yes, gains are in terms of capacity gains only - upgauges of aircraft. As for upgrades or downgrades of service... I'll leave that up to you guys to decide!

:P

ShawnShank
Apr 27, 2016, 6:59 AM
American switches PHX to 738 (from A320) and reduces LAX to 1 daily E175 instead of 2, starting this fall

http://airlineroute.net/2016/04/27/aa-yvr-aug16/

trofirhen
Apr 27, 2016, 8:14 AM
American switches PHX to 738 (from A320) and reduces LAX to 1 daily E175 instead of 2, starting this fall

http://airlineroute.net/2016/04/27/aa-yvr-aug16/
Which has more pax capacity, an A320 or a 738?

Orcair
Apr 27, 2016, 11:39 AM
Which has more pax capacity, an A320 or a 738?

737-800 (160) v. A320-200 (150)

Hourglass
Apr 27, 2016, 1:33 PM
Air Canada announces launch of seasonal non-stop YVR - Delhi flights:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/air-canada-to-launch-non-stop-flights-from-vancouver-to-delhi-577240551.html

Nice to see YVR getting more love from AC.

Vagabond
Apr 27, 2016, 2:04 PM
Air Canada announces launch of seasonal non-stop YVR - Delhi flights:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/air-canada-to-launch-non-stop-flights-from-vancouver-to-delhi-577240551.html

Nice to see YVR getting more love from AC.

Success!! This is big news, and happened sooner than I anticipated. I was almost certain that AC would start YYZ-BOM before YVR-DEL. I'm sure the BC Liberals would have preferred an announcement next spring (allowing them to capitalize right before the election), although I see PCC is already taking some of the credit. :)

The flight timings are OK. Not super conducive to connecting to/from other cities in India, although I doubt that is a priority for AC given the heavy O&D on this route.

But excellent news nonetheless for both YVR and the Indo-Canadian community (the new flight shaves 5 hours off the current quickest routings).

Now let's see if the Chinese carriers answer this new competition with heavy discounting. ;)

thenoflyzone
Apr 27, 2016, 2:19 PM
Weird that it's winter seasonal, no?

Klazu
Apr 27, 2016, 2:33 PM
787-9 to DEL - nice! Jusr strange to have the arrival time in DEL at 1:20am. I doubt there is much to connect to at that time. Otherwise great news.

So is this going to be a true polar route?

trofirhen
Apr 27, 2016, 3:04 PM
787-9 to DEL - nice! Just strange to have the arrival time in DEL at 1:20am. I doubt there is much to connect to at that time. Otherwise great news.

So is this going to be a true polar route?
Mmmmm almost polar, anyway. Take a look if you're interested:
http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/yvr-to-del/

If succesful, I wonder of this might become year-round? That'd be great.

vanlaw
Apr 27, 2016, 3:42 PM
Weird that it's winter seasonal, no?

Maybe to capture the peak tourist season? Service ends in April, monsoons start in the south of India around May I think and it rains for most of the summer in most parts of India? I could be wrong.

Just checked random dates in December. $1,041 return. Pretty good I'd say. 14h10 on the way there, 13h55 on the way back.

Canadian74
Apr 27, 2016, 3:54 PM
Weird that it's winter seasonal, no?

That's the busiest time for Canada-India traffic

nname
Apr 27, 2016, 4:05 PM
787-9 to DEL - nice! Jusr strange to have the arrival time in DEL at 1:20am. I doubt there is much to connect to at that time. Otherwise great news.

21:40 departure and 6:55 arrival at YVR is good for connections at this end:

Our non-stop Dreamliner flights from our Vancouver hub will also offer the shortest elapsed flying time from Calgary, Edmonton, Seattle, Portland and Los Angeles to Delhi

madog222
Apr 27, 2016, 4:39 PM
Which has more pax capacity, an A320 or a 738?

738 has more, American also has premium economy seats on it.

LeftCoaster
Apr 27, 2016, 5:28 PM
Huge news on Delhi!

I agree that it is strange it is seasonal, if demand is strong I would imagine they could keep it year round though. Winter may be peak season for India but summer is peak season in Vancouver and the western US. With the growing Indian middle and upper class there may be strong inflow demand during the summer.

Either way this is amazing news, and fills a huge gap in YVRs coverage.

Also, even more proof AC is giving YVR a lot of love and not forcing everyone to route through YYZ! :)

American switches PHX to 738 (from A320) and reduces LAX to 1 daily E175 instead of 2, starting this fall

http://airlineroute.net/2016/04/27/aa-yvr-aug16/

Is the AA a typical post summer reduction or more fallout from the huge buildup on YVR-LAX? I'd be surprised if AA yielded too much in the LAX battle considering they are the largest of the big 3 US carriers at LAX.

sacrifice333
Apr 27, 2016, 6:16 PM
American switches PHX to 738 (from A320) and reduces LAX to 1 daily E175 instead of 2, starting this fall

http://airlineroute.net/2016/04/27/aa-yvr-aug16/

Interesting, as a "partner" of Alaska and codesharer with WJ, I wonder if we'll see either pick up that capacity. Fingers crossed for Alaska mainline (and not a 6AM departure!)!

Vagabond
Apr 27, 2016, 6:32 PM
Huge news on Delhi!

I agree that it is strange it is seasonal, if demand is strong I would imagine they could keep it year round though. Winter may be peak season for India but summer is peak season in Vancouver and the western US. With the growing Indian middle and upper class there may be strong inflow demand during the summer.

The numbers actually sort of back this up. According to Destination BC's International Visitor Arrivals stats (http://www.destinationbc.ca/Research/Industry-Performance/International-Visitor-Arrivals.aspx), BC received approx. 8,000-9,000 entries from India in the summer (2015) months, vs. approx. 3,000 in the winter (2015 & 2016) months. So the seasonal traffic flows actually nicely complement each other (YVR-DEL in winter, DEL-YVR in summer). Cue our local tourism agencies! ;)

However, I can't see a lot of connecting traffic to/from the USA (not without TWOV). Many of the US-based passengers going to India are still Indian citizens (on long term visas) and the non-stop SFO-DEL flight on Air India would likely capture much of the California market.

Finally, I actually think the flight timings are a bit of a lost opportunity. Daytime arrivals/departures for international flights are rare in India, despite their obvious appeal to tourist and VFR passengers. Most European and Asian carriers have to time their India flights in the middle of the night to accommodate their home base ops and connecting flights, but AC wouldn't be restricted by this same concern with YVR-DEL. A mid-morning departure out of YVR (landing in Delhi mid-day +1) and a later afternoon return departure out of DEL (with an early evening arrival into YVR) would have likely better served the needs of many of the passengers on this route. Just my 2 cents!

trofirhen
Apr 27, 2016, 8:23 PM
This will still be the ONLY flight to Delhi out of Western Canada, and the US PNW. I sure hope it ultimately goes to full-time

yyc_engineer
Apr 27, 2016, 9:00 PM
NUTS!! I didn't expect this for a couple years!!

Congrats to AC and YVR. Interesting that this is now the fastest way to India from BC, Alberta, Seattle, Portland and Los Angeles (a combined catchment area of 30+ Million).

New flight will offer fastest elapsed flying time from YVR, Calgary, Edmonton, Seattle, Portland, Los Angeles to Delhi
http://micro.newswire.ca/release.cgi?rkey=2404277791&view=13213-0&Start=&htm=0

trofirhen
Apr 27, 2016, 9:11 PM
NUTS!! I didn't expect this for a couple years!!

Congrats to AC and YVR. Interesting that this is now the fastest way to India from BC, Alberta, Seattle, Portland and Los Angeles (a combined catchment area of 30+ Million).

New flight will offer fastest elapsed flying time from YVR, Calgary, Edmonton, Seattle, Portland, Los Angeles to Delhi
http://micro.newswire.ca/release.cgi?rkey=2404277791&view=13213-0&Start=&htm=0
As I understand it, you could subtract Los Angeles out of the catchment area, as they'd go via San Fran. Still, a large catchment area, and maybe one that will produce big results!!

LeftCoaster
Apr 27, 2016, 9:46 PM
I tried a few test bookings from various locales south of us and the YVR to Delhi route came up as either the best or second best one stop option almost every time.

Flying Saturday to Saturday YVR came up as the preferred option from LAX, SEA and even Mexico city (through YYZ to DEL and through YVR on the return). The route was both price and time competitive, especially for LAX, where the only reasonable competition was through CAN on China Southern.

nname
Apr 27, 2016, 9:59 PM
As I understand it, you could subtract Los Angeles out of the catchment area, as they'd go via San Fran. Still, a large catchment area, and maybe one that will produce big results!!

Interesting that UA and AI does not codeshare with each other. You cannot book flight to LAX through AI, and if you try to book with UA, they will route you through EWR, YYZ, or FRA (and YVR after it gets into their system). In fact, LAX-YVR-DEL will be the shortest flight with a single ticket and without risky connection between two different airlines.

deasine
Apr 27, 2016, 10:07 PM
Actually it isn't too strange that it is seasonal. The reason why is traffic patterns are varied throughout the year, significantly more during the winter period but relatively flat in the summer.

Vagabond
Apr 27, 2016, 10:27 PM
Interesting that UA and AI does not codeshare with each other. You cannot book flight to LAX through AI, and if you try to book with UA, they will route you through EWR, YYZ, or FRA (and YVR after it gets into their system). In fact, LAX-YVR-DEL will be the shortest flight with a single ticket and without risky connection between two different airlines.

The next big piece of this puzzle, however, is getting India added to the TWOV list (http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/twov/travellers.asp). If this is implemented, then you unlock the huge West Coast market for travel to/from India (especially in J class). Without it, you limit this new, great option to only US citizens.

The other tricky thing with California is that AC's DEL flight doesn't connect to any decently-timed flights to Bangalore (a popular destination ex-SFO and SJC). There is a 5+ hour overnight layover in DEL before flying onto BLR in the early morning, which eliminates any time savings with the more direct routing. While DEL is India's premier, largest, international airport, traffic between the USA and India is more diversified (and not as heavily concentrated at DEL) then to/from YVR or even YYZ.

Johnny Aussie
Apr 27, 2016, 10:44 PM
Damn slept through this one!

Wow though that is a huge announcement.

I think we all knew it was a matter of when and not if.

I am surprised it is this year. I would have expected it in 2017.

But does show how the Dreamliner is opening up doors for these longhaul yield challenging routes.

And we also need to take the AC investor day slide "2018 network opportunities" with a grain of salt... YVR-DEL are not connected on that map. Full of surprises!

And JUST received my April YVR Air Mail email... Must have been waiting for this little spot of news!

nname
Apr 28, 2016, 4:22 AM
Taiwan Passenger statistics were released (http://www.caa.gov.tw/APFile/big5/download/ao/1461634928672.pdf) for the month of March. Never looked closely into them before, but just realized something interesting:

LF for March:

TPE-YVR - 93.0% for BR; 92.2% for CI
YVR-TPE - 88.6% for BR; 82.8% for CI

Overall YVR - 90.8% for BR; 87.6% for CI

TPE-YYZ - 93.3% for BR
YYZ-TPE - 81.6% for BR

Overall YYZ - 87.3% for BR


The TPE->YYZ flight is the route for highest LF of all BR long haul routes (YVR was 2nd). However, when averaging both directions, the YVR route got the highest LF for BOTH BR and CI. YYZ was 4th for BR behind SEA and SFO. Looked back few months, the worse YVR ever got for BR was 2nd (behind SFO in Jan).

Now the DEL flight is there, I wonder when will AC ever consider flying to TPE... This is one route really lacking capacity, especially when the 744 will be retiring next year :D

excel
Apr 28, 2016, 6:18 AM
Great news about DEL

teriyaki
Apr 28, 2016, 5:38 PM
Taiwan Passenger statistics were released (http://www.caa.gov.tw/APFile/big5/download/ao/1461634928672.pdf) for the month of March. Never looked closely into them before, but just realized something interesting:

LF for March:

TPE-YVR - 93.0% for BR; 92.2% for CI
YVR-TPE - 88.6% for BR; 82.8% for CI

Overall YVR - 90.8% for BR; 87.6% for CI

TPE-YYZ - 93.3% for BR
YYZ-TPE - 81.6% for BR

Overall YYZ - 87.3% for BR


The TPE->YYZ flight is the route for highest LF of all BR long haul routes (YVR was 2nd). However, when averaging both directions, the YVR route got the highest LF for BOTH BR and CI. YYZ was 4th for BR behind SEA and SFO. Looked back few months, the worse YVR ever got for BR was 2nd (behind SFO in Jan).

Now the DEL flight is there, I wonder when will AC ever consider flying to TPE... This is one route really lacking capacity, especially when the 744 will be retiring next year :D

I thought all the available frequencies for YVR-TPE were already used by BR and CI respectively... might make it hard for AC to jump in now?

Johnny Aussie
Apr 28, 2016, 7:49 PM
I thought all the available frequencies for YVR-TPE were already used by BR and CI respectively... might make it hard for AC to jump in now?

Each country's airlines are entitled to 21 weekly frequencies.

Taiwan is utilising its full allotment, whereas Canada is not using any.

Air Canada could launch three daily flights from Canada to Taiwan tomorrow if it wanted to.

LeftCoaster
Apr 28, 2016, 9:02 PM
Noticed a nice little nugget at the bottom of an article about YVR selling off it's stake in Vantage:

YVR sells it share of the Vantage airport-management company

CHUCK CHIANG
More from Chuck Chiang
Published on: April 28, 2016 | Last Updated: April 28, 2016 6:06 AM PDT
VANCOUVER, BC - DECEMBER 19, 2015

YVR has decided to sell its remaining share in an international airport management company to concentrate on further expansions of the Vancouver Airport Authority.

The Vancouver Airport Authority has sold its 50-per-cent share in Vantage, which manages eight airports around the world using YVR expertise. The decision allows YVR concentrate on its local growth plans, including further terminal expansions.

...

But with passenger counts hitting a record 20 million last year and a projection of 25 million by 2020, YVR president Craig Richmond said the airport authority has to concentrate its attention and resources on a new 20-year strategic plan — which includes a terminal expansion as its centrepiece.

“We’re adding a million passengers a year, and it looks like we’ll do it again this year,” Richmond said. “We can honestly see that, if this continues, we’re going to hit capacity and run out of space. We don’t want that to happen. … That’s a huge focus and a big reason why we need to focus on YVR.”

The airport, however, will continue to provide officials to Vantage to provide support services and expertise through a partnership agreement, Richmond said.

Vantage manages eight airports, including Kamloops, Fort St. John, Lynden Pindling Airport in Nassau, The Bahamas, and Cyprus’s Larnaca International Airports. Past clients include New Zealand’s Wellington International Airport and John Lennon Airport in Liverpool.

Current projects include an effort to upgrade the occupational health and safety management at New York’s LaGuardia Airport, and Richmond said Vantage also served as a platform for B.C. companies to work on international projects, citing the involvement of Stantec and Ledcor at Nassau.

“Vantage has accomplished everything and more of what we’ve expected,” said Richmond. “This company from Vancouver that started with just three people is now looked to for turning around a major airport in the U.S. in a multi-billion project … What we realized is Vantage is becoming a very big player, and it’s taking up more and more of our management time and effort to stay on top of what’s going on.”

As for the new terminal plans, Richmond said YVR has been working on that for years, with a final recommendation for an expansion outline to be presented to the airport authority’s board of directors on Friday. The expansion plan, which could expand the passenger terminal westwards, eastward or both, is expected to be made public in October.

chchiang@postmedia.com
http://vancouversun.com/business/local-business/yvr-sells-it-share-of-the-vantage-airport-management-company

officedweller
Apr 28, 2016, 9:03 PM
Aircraft related ...

Bird strike at SeaTac: dented the nose of a Airbus A321:

http://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/news/world/2016/04/28/airliner-makes-emergency-landing-in-seattle-after-hitting-bird/planebird.jpg.size.xxlarge.letterbox.jpg
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/04/28/airliner-makes-emergency-landing-in-seattle-after-hitting-bird.html

s211
Apr 28, 2016, 9:09 PM
Aircraft related ...

Bird strike at SeaTac: dented the nose of a Airbus A321:

http://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/news/world/2016/04/28/airliner-makes-emergency-landing-in-seattle-after-hitting-bird/planebird.jpg.size.xxlarge.letterbox.jpg
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/04/28/airliner-makes-emergency-landing-in-seattle-after-hitting-bird.html

Geez, was the bird made of depleted uranium?

LeftCoaster
Apr 28, 2016, 9:10 PM
Good god what kinda bird did that much damage?

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/muppet/images/9/92/Bigbirdnewversion.png/revision/latest?cb=20120128201030
http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Big_Bird

trofirhen
Apr 28, 2016, 9:35 PM
Each country's airlines are entitled to 21 weekly frequencies.

Taiwan is utilising its full allotment, whereas Canada is not using any.

Air Canada could launch three daily flights from Canada to Taiwan tomorrow if it wanted to.
REALLY ?!! Where else could Air Canada launch flights if it wanted to?? Any info on that??

Johnny Aussie
Apr 28, 2016, 9:59 PM
Noticed a nice little nugget at the bottom of an article about YVR selling off it's stake in Vantage:

http://vancouversun.com/business/local-business/yvr-sells-it-share-of-the-vantage-airport-management-company

Yes, he did mention a terminal expansion announcement would be made this year. Exciting stuff. YVR will need to maintain its competitiveness with other airports in the region expanding as well.

LeftCoaster
Apr 28, 2016, 10:18 PM
Ya definitely. I know the east terminal is the exciting long term step but I think the near term smaller expansions to each pier will really make a difference in the feel of the airport.

Each country's airlines are entitled to 21 weekly frequencies.

Taiwan is utilising its full allotment, whereas Canada is not using any.

Air Canada could launch three daily flights from Canada to Taiwan tomorrow if it wanted to.

I wasn't aware of that. Given that info I'm quite surprised AC hasn't launched from YYZ yet. YVR makes sense and I'm sure they'll do it as soon as the 747s are phased out but given their aggressive expansion out of YYZ I'm surprised they haven't hit that one yet... especially given the loads nname posted.

Quick question too, inbound is significantly higher than outbound for both routes. Is that inbound to Canada outbound from the states on tours or something or is immigration that large of an effect?

nname
Apr 28, 2016, 10:35 PM
Quick question too, inbound is significantly higher than outbound for both routes. Is that inbound to Canada outbound from the states on tours or something or is immigration that large of an effect?

People return from Chinese New Years vacation, plus snowbirds returns for the summer just in time to file the taxes.

On top of the high LF, the fare to YVR is often at least 50% higher compared to LAX and SFO and is almost never on sale. Not sure about previous years, but this year my parents were told the flights from mid-March to mid-April are all full beside a few full-fare economy tickets that will cost them $1500-$3000CAD one way ON TOP of what they already paid. I also know a few that had to fly to SEA because they could not get on the YVR flight. I'm sure the YVR-TPE route have enough demand for 3x or even 4x daily flights with 777/787/350 between CI/BR/AC...

SFUVancouver
Apr 28, 2016, 11:31 PM
Great news on the AC YVR-Delhi route. That's fantastic news!

trofirhen
Apr 28, 2016, 11:44 PM
Great news on the AC YVR-Delhi route. That's fantastic news!
As I mentioned (at the risk of sounding repetitive), I hope this mushrooms into a bigger-than-expected route, and becomes year-round. It might happen. Stay optimistic.

Johnny Aussie
Apr 29, 2016, 12:06 AM
As I mentioned (at the risk of sounding repetitive), I hope this mushrooms into a bigger-than-expected route, and becomes year-round. It might happen. Stay optimistic.

I'm sure we all agree.

It's amazing watching certain routes explode so quickly whilst others remain stagnant.

Look at CZ on YVR-CAN. Started with 3 x weekly 772, then quickly moved to daily 788 now upgauging to a 77W in a relatively short period of time. NH to HND started daily 763, quickly moved to a 788 and now going to be 789 year-round in a very short time frame.

On the other hand AF on YVR-CDG seems to be stagnant with its 5 weekly summer service and 3 weekly winter service on 772s. Despite the public statement the route is exceeding expectations.... I wonder which benchmark they are basing that statement on? Traffic volume? Load factor? Yield? Profitability? I realise that's a new route from last year but I'd be curious to know if they had planned to boost that to daily this summer had there not been the Paris attacks. To have daily CDG would be a big chest pounder for YVR. Daily flights to 6 European airports in the summer at least would be fantastic... LHR, LGW, AMS, FRA, MUC and hopefully CDG. I still think we will see AC on YVR-FRA in the near future once LH decides what to do with YVR-FRA when the 744s get phased out.

Klazu
Apr 29, 2016, 12:28 AM
Great news on the AC YVR-Delhi route. That's fantastic news!

So when are you gonna fly it? It seems that your work takes you everywhere far. How about India? :)

trofirhen
Apr 29, 2016, 12:32 AM
I'm sure we all agree.

It's amazing watching certain routes explode so quickly whilst others remain stagnant...........
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On the other hand AF on YVR-CDG seems to be stagnant with its 5 weekly summer service and 3 weekly winter service on 772s. Despite the public statement the route is exceeding expectations.... I wonder which benchmark they are basing that statement on? Traffic volume? Load factor? Yield? Profitability? I realise that's a new route from last year but I'd be curious to know if they had planned to boost that to daily this summer had there not been the Paris attacks. To have daily CDG would be a big chest pounder for YVR.
The Paris attacks really frightened a lot of tourists away. People I know who were planning to come, cancelled doing that out of fear.
To give you an example of the effect on the city, on New Year's Eve (St. Sylvestre), normally the most festive evening in the city with partying going on till the small hours,
in my neighbourhood, and others, everything - cafés, restarants, bars - were shut down tight by 9 p.m. Empty streets, like the Twilight Zone.
It was eerie, like a ghost town, and made a huge scar in the spirit of the city. For Paris, it was totally unreal, like nothing since WW2, people said.

urbancanadian
Apr 29, 2016, 1:19 AM
I flew on the YVR-CDG route a couple weeks ago and it was completely full.

officedweller
Apr 29, 2016, 2:54 AM
Good god what kinda bird did that much damage?


The article said this - maybe a bald eagle?

Alas, the poor critter was smashed beyond recognition, and its remains have been sent to the Smithsonian to identify what kind of bird it was.
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/04/28/airliner-makes-emergency-landing-in-seattle-after-hitting-bird.html