[IdaBoi]

I saw something about a new 120,000 sqft green building hospital on 27th and Fairview in the Idaho Business Review. Anybody have details/renderings?

I saw the article but there were no renderings.

[Sawtooth]

I saw this ad in the Boise Weekly and thought it was kind of bold. Then today I saw this story at Newwest.net.
Only in Boise:haha:

http://www.newwest.net/index.php/city/article/advertising_mistake_makes_boise_bagels_very_sexy/C108/L108/

“Our bagels are like vaginas: What’s not to love?”
Advertising Mistake Makes Boise Bagels Very Sexy


By J. Gelband, 3-09-07


Sex sells. Even if it is unintentional.

Boise restaurant River City Bagels found out this concept this week when an ad in the Boise Weekly caused a public stir and, consequently, long lines at the downtown shop.

The small ad on the side of an inside page features a stack of fresh bagels and reads, “Our bagels are like vaginas: What’s not to love?”

Sure, it sounds like a very direct slogan applying the “sex sells” ploy, but it wasn’t supposed to be so arbitrary; there was an accidental oversight that neither owner Jodi Kummermehr nor the ad designer nor the Boise Weekly noticed before it appeared in thousands of copies of the free alternative weekly.

“It is Vagina Monologues (the play) season, and we sponsor the event every year,” said Kummermehr. “The ad was supposed to say, ‘Proud sponsor of the Vagina Monologues,’ so it all made sense, but we didn’t catch it.”

Kummermehr isn’t upset or embarrassed though; traffic through the store has increased significantly and everyone wants to talk about the ad.

“It has been ridiculous,” said Rachel, a River City Bagels employee. “I got a call from someone in Virginia about it and a company in Santa Barbara wants to sell T-shirts with the slogan.”

Rachel also said that the restaurant’s bagel dog, a hot dog wrapped in a bagel-dough bun, has been the topic of dirty conversation since the ad appeared on Wednesday.

At least one confirmed person has sent the ad to Jay Leno for his weekly “Headlines” bit that features funny authentic ads from newspapers across the country.
A spot on a national show is likely to attract even more potential customers, but not everyone is thrilled about the ad.

Several women have come into the place to say they are offended. And one customer told manager Sri Galindo that some boys were suspended from school for talking about the ad in class. “I think it’s really funny,” said Galindo. “The only thing I’d feel bad about is if it really offended people, but they learned that word in health class!”

Even though most people agree with Galindo that the ad is funny, and the mistake makes it even funnier, it is a good thing River City Bagels didn’t go with one of the other ads designed for the series. “I used an ad agency to come up with advertising layouts and some of them were really risky,” said Kummermehr. “One had a bagel with the hole censored...one said, ‘More interesting than a vagina, perhaps better tasting.’ We’re not going there. Maybe in LA but not in Boise.”

[IdaBoi]

:previous: hilarious. What are the chances that prim and proper KTVB will carry this story? KIVI might since they seem more liberal.

[nobody]

Not sure if this has been posted yet or if it's been discussed buuuuuut

Picture a new county fairgrounds developed as part of an agrarian-themed planned community.

With Expo Idaho relocated, its 240-acre site could become Garden City's downtown, thriving with eateries, shopping and paths to parks, recreational and cultural activities.

These and other ideas for redeveloping or relocating Expo Idaho are on hold.

Instead of narrowing down informal proposals from seven developers interested in the project, the County Commission has decided to seek a consultant to study the pros and cons of rebuilding the fairgrounds or moving it to a new location.
Idaho Statesman - Full Article (http://www.idahostatesman.com/102/story/75271.html)

This story was in the paper on Sunday. It's funny because the day before I was complaining about what a waste the fairg... excuse me "Expo Idaho" is, and how they should redevelop it. And lo and behold they're already talking about it. There were 7 informal proposals for the site that were all pretty interesting. My hope is that it's a walkable and dense area, no parking lots or anything like that.

I think the project has potential to be amazing, and they're shooting for an 10/1/2010 completion date, which is pretty ambitious I think considering the size of the project and a minimum of a year of that is supposed to be planning.

[Cottonwood]

Great news for our wine growing region in Western Idaho!
KTVB.COM



Snake River Valley designated wine growing region

03:32 PM MST on Saturday, March 10, 2007

Associated Press

BOISE -- It may not be the Napa Valley yet, but Western Idaho's burgeoning wine-growing region is unique, according to the federal government.

The Department of the Treasury on Friday declared 8,263 square miles of southwest Idaho and southeast Oregon an American Viticultural Area.

The designation is for grape growing regions that produce wines with a distinctive style and taste, stemming from factors ranging from climate to soil composition to geography.

The Snake River Valley is the first AVA for Idaho's growing wine industry, and will encompass 15 wineries, 46 vineyards and 1,107 acres. It will stretch from Twin Falls into Oregon.

The Idaho Grape Growers and Wine Producers Commission requested designation as an AVA in 2005.

So far, 172 areas have been designated in the United States, 93 of them in California. The largest is the 26,000 Ohio River Valley AVA.

[boisecynic]

Whitewater Parkway update:
(AKA 30th St Specific Area Plan)

ACHD is holding an open house tonight March 12 from 6PM to 9PM at Whittier Elementary at 29th and Bannock.

Related to Boishee's post regarding the fairgrounds and the comment about hoping to NOT see large scale parking-----well, people love their cars.

Anyhow, part of the 30th St area plan called for the large blocks in the Fairview/Main corridor to have multi-story multi-use development on the street fronts with 2 or 3 story parking garages hidden from street view in the middle of the block.

[Cottonwood]

Boise Metro Unemployment drops to 2.5 percent


http://www.idahopress.com/articles/2007/03/10/news/news7.txt

Jobs: New retailers, health care, restaurants supplying jobs

By Lee Vander Boegh - Idaho Press-Tribune

TREASURE VALLEY — The local unemployment rate kicked the new year off with a bang, dropping to 2.6 percent in January and 2.5 percent in February, according to a new report issued by Idaho Commerce and Labor on Friday.
Experts say last month’s rate in the Boise City-Nampa Metropolitan Statistical Area — down four-tenths of a percentage point from February 2006’s otherwise-impressive 2.9 percent — demonstrates the strength of the local economy.

“The national rates have been bouncing around a little while we’ve been pretty solid,” Idaho Commerce and Labor economist John Panter said. “It just shows that we’re better diversified than the national economy. We don’t feel the bumps like the rest of the country does.”

Panter said health care, restaurants and retail played key roles throughout the area. In particular, some of the area’s new box retailers require labor pool numbers in the hundreds.
“A lot of it is the new retail centers,” Panter said. “We’ve had a tremendous influx of retailers coming to the area, and they come with large needs in terms of (employee) positions.”

Between January and February, nearly 1,500 people left the labor force, yet the total number of people employed fell by slightly more than 1,000.

The slight labor force dip was expected, Panter said, as cooler weather tends to thin out construction opportunities. He expects that sector to pick up again in coming months, and preliminary reports indicate it has already began its rebound.
The state unemployment rate finished February at a record-low 2.8 percent.

“Our economy has been one of the strongest in the nation and seems to be picking up steam in 2007,” Idaho Commerce and Labor director Roger Madsen said in a statement. “We have led the nation in the percentage increase in gross state product, manufacturing investment and creation of new companies, and that’s intensifying the demand on our work force.”

[nobody]

Whitewater Parkway update:
Related to Boishee's post regarding the fairgrounds and the comment about hoping to NOT see large scale parking-----well, people love their cars.


Can't people (myself included, not that I have another option in the valley) love their cars in a parking garage? :kiss:

[boisecynic]

There's more info in the Statesman's business section today about that proposed hospital at 27th and Fairview. Now I usually don't rant (if ever) in this forum, but the rendering just doesn't fit in. Haven't these people been to any of the 30th St area plan meetings? Haven't they read anything on the internet? This forum for instance.

To the unidentified investors of the proposed hospital at 27th and Fairview:

Your ultra-modern design isn't going to fit Boise's master plan. Most of the area residents and city gov't people seem to see west downtown as an extension of downtown and seem to be positive about increasing density along the Fairview/Main corridor. The downtown look is one of traditional building materials and architecture, so what's up with the suburban office park modernist design?

Even more importantly, I don't think a hospital is the highest and best use for the area. And then there's the 2 story (it looks 2-story to me, I could be wrong) design element, it's not tall enough----this is a building that belongs in Eagle or Meridian.

Here's the hospital rendering:
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3623/hospitalwc8.png

And here's the concept from the 30th St master plan for the same area:
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/3788/30thandmainiu5.jpg

[eastidaho]

CCDC's new annual report doesn't tell us much.

http://www.ccdcboise.com/

There is a couple renderings of the 8th/9th street proposal, that I believe are new. Nothing new on the building, just different angle.

Boise Place construction "expected to begin in mid-2007." :poke:

[mr condo]

Hey, did y'all ever get the "anti guardian" blog kicked off. I was looking forward to some "fair and balanced" reporting!!

We had our first neighborhood meeting for Sustainable Community No. 1 last night, with business owners and stakeholders arriving, had over 100 show up, with good comments. We showed what we had as far as elevations, and asked for comments. We've got a couple of suggestions for a name for the buildings and the greater Grove Street Neighborhood Transformation, but would love to see more. We'll be going public (more public, Sorry John) with the request for names.

[mr condo]

Oh, and SC1 goes to design review tomorrow night if any one's interested.

[alphawolf]

ill be there

[Sawtooth]

Survey Says Boiseans Love Boise


http://www.newwest.net/index.php/city/article/survey_says_boiseans_love_boise_tibbs_to_announce_for_mayor/C108/L108/

(I copied part of the article below)

By Jill Kuraitis, 3-14-07



Four out of five Boiseans say their city is on the right track, a new public opinion survey shows.

The City of Boise’s biennial “customer satisfaction” survey finds that nearly 90 percent of citizens describe their city’s overall quality of life in positive terms, with 41 percent giving it the highest rating (“excellent”). Ninety percent of respondents believe that Boise is a “good” or “excellent” place to raise children, and nearly three out of four residents say city government gives them their money’s worth for their tax dollars.


Here’s what the mayor’s press release says about the survey results:

* Survey respondents named sprawl and growth concerns as the “single most important issue facing Boise.” The City of Boise is currently updating its comprehensive plan and subdivision ordinance in adherence with the regional Blueprint for Good Growth with the goal of addressing citizen concerns about infill development and making sure growth pays its own way.

* Traffic congestion ranked second in importance among citizens’ issues. The City of Boise is working with state and federal officials to expand bus service and develop other transportation options that provide alternatives to gridlock. Mayor Bieter and the City Council are seeking to tie land-use decisions more closely to transportation planning to ensure free movement of traffic as well as preservation of neighborhoods. The mayor has also expressed concern that transportation revenues collected in Boise are being spent outside the city, and has asked for greater accountability to ensure taxpayers get what they pay for.

* Citizens rated education third on their list of concerns. Although the Boise and Meridian independent school districts provide public education services to the community, the City of Boise is working with the schools and other community partners to improve access to after-school programs. Two new school facilities now under construction will include neighborhood recreation centers operated by the city’s Parks & Recreation Department.

* The survey showed crime and drugs ranked fourth among citizen concerns. Boise’s major crime rate actually declined during 2006, in part thanks to a strong community policing program and budget decisions that have put more police officers on the street. The City of Boise has taken the lead on creation of the Treasure Valley’s first community detox facility, works in partnership with PAYADA (Parents And Youth Against Drug Abuse) to bring prevention program to young people, and has increased scholarships and targeted more recreation opportunities to at-risk youth.

Among the other findings of the survey:

* Citizens expressed strong satisfaction with city services across the board. Fire protection ranked highest, with almost 93 percent of survey respondents describing that service as “good” or “excellent.” Sewer service received an 89 percent approval rating in those categories; parks and recreation services, 88 percent; trash services, 88 percent; airport, 87 percent; police, 83 percent; library, 76 percent; and animal control, 75 percent. Even the lowest-ranked service, recycling, won positive reviews from a large majority (70 percent) of respondents.

* Asked to name the highest priority for the City of Boise during the next two years, survey participants named long-range planning for growth highest at 24 percent, followed by public transportation (18 percent), public safety (14 percent), environmental protection (13 percent), social services (11 percent) and economic development (9 percent).

* A large majority of citizens (71 percent) give downtown Boise positive marks as a place to shop, visit and/or recreate. An even greater number, 80 percent, say they feel “reasonably safe” or “very safe” walking alone downtown after dark. Mayor Bieter and the City Council have formed a Downtown Task Force to preserve safety and accommodate future residential growth in the city center area.

* Nearly all (92 percent) respondents have visited a City of Boise park during the past year, with almost half visiting more than once a month and nearly one-fourth visiting at least weekly.

The survey consisted of telephone interviews with more than 500 adults ages 18 and older, selected through random-digit dialing and representing all of the five regions within the Boise city limits. Interviews were conducted between January 30 and February 12, 2007, by Northwest Research Group. Overall survey results have a margin of error of plus or minus 4.4 percentage points.

http://www.cityofboise.org/Departments/Mayor/index.aspx

[BoiseAirport]

Wow, hahaha, I had the strangest dream last night. I dreamt that there was a 25-story building proposed downtown, and there were literally about 30 people on this forum saying something within the likes of "Not again! I hate cookie cutters!" Strange.

Anthony

[City Of Trees]

You gotta love Tim Woodward's anti-ugly building stance. :tup:

http://www.idahostatesman.com/235/story/76220.html

Tim Woodward: Boise does care if you build an ugly building Downtown
- Idaho Statesman
Edition Date: 03/19/07

Some of Boise's buildings make you wonder whether city officials have even a passing acquaintance with the concept of design review.

I've often wondered how we could have design review — a process in which experts evaluate building plans to guard against ugliness — and still have such ugly Downtown buildings.

Not that all of them are ugly, of course. There are some beauties among the clinkers, and which is which is almost as subjective as what constitutes good Mexican food. Some of the clinkers are so conspicuous, though, that you can't help wondering what went wrong and whether it will happen again.

Architect Andy Erstad, a longtime member and former chair of the Boise Design Review Committee, answered those questions at this month's Fettuccine Forum. It was standing-room-only, showing that there's no lack of interest in what our city looks like.

The good news: The future holds better things — if developers comply with the spirit of improved review procedures.

The past is another story. Erstad's presentation included photos of Boise from its beginnings, including one of Capitol Boulevard when it really was a grand processional. It was magnificent: a broad and imposing boulevard with the Statehouse at one end and the depot at the other and nothing between them to spoil the view.

The first building to do that — "the beginning of the end," as Erstad put it — was the telephone company building at Capitol and Bannock. It predated design review, which began in 1969.

Erstad's "poster children" in the case for having design review are the telephone company building, The Grove Hotel and the new Hampton Inn and Suites.

The Grove Hotel was built when Capital City Development Corp., Boise's urban renewal agency, had design-review authority over Downtown buildings. Its finished appearance motivated a group of concerned citizens to question the practice of having CCDC judge the aesthetic appeal of buildings it desperately wanted built; the responsibility was shifted to the city.

So what happened with the Hampton Inn, which was reviewed by the city but still managed to make Erstad's poster-child list?

"The developers requested modifications that our staff felt were acceptable, and some of them were pushed even farther," Erstad said. "They weren't radical conceptual departures, but in the image sense they were very different. There was an attitude that it's easier to ask for forgiveness after it's built than to do the right things along the way."

Neil Hosford did the right things as the architect for the Washington Mutual Building. It uses granite and other costly materials, is set back far enough on its upper floors not to ruin the view of the Statehouse and is arguably one of Downtown's most attractive high-rises.

Part of the problem in the past has been that the reviewers haven't had clear ideas of what they were reviewing. They were forced to use inadequate drawings that sometimes bore little resemblance to what was ultimately built. New regulations require three-dimensional models.

"That's already helped tremendously with a number of projects," Erstad said. "The models allow the team to look at a building in the round and see the concept and the massing."

That was the case with the proposed Capitol Terrace addition, the Aspen and a 23-story building planned on the current site of the Boise Rescue Mission. Some of them — there is an architecture god — will actually feature colors besides brown and beige. The Capitol Terrace addition will be shades of blue.

Like the new Banner Bank building, Erstad said, future Downtown buildings should reflect higher standards — if their developers build them as planned instead of cheapening them, and the city does an adequate job of making sure that happens.

In other words, we just might be getting past the "good-enough-for-Boise" syndrome.

Nowhere will that be more important than Boise Place — the 31-story structure planned for the hole at 8th and Main that had been earmarked for the ill-fated Boise Tower project. At 400 feet, the hotel/condominium project would not only be Idaho's tallest building but, in Erstad's words, "Boise's icon. It's what you'll see from Nampa and maybe even Mountain Home."

Interest in Downtown's architecture has reached the point that the CCDC now has an advisory group of distinguished architects. One, Ernest Lombard, said he "had to fight off an attack to write a scathing letter to the editor on how the Hampton Inn turned out, and there's fairly general agreement that The Grove Hotel is pretty grim. But things are getting better, and the public is showing it cares more.

"There's a lot of interest in Boise Place. It has some good ideas, but it has to come together with a more cohesive overall design element to make it the sort of icon we can all be proud of."

If the turnout at the Fettuccine Forum is an indication, the public will be watching closely.

Contact reporter Tim Woodward at twoodward@idahostatesman.com or 377-6409. Read his past columns at IdahoStatesman.com/Woodward.

[Boizean]

At 400 feet, the hotel/condominium project would not only be Idaho's tallest building but, in Erstad's words, "Boise's icon. It's what you'll see from Nampa and maybe even Mountain Home."
Yeah, okay, just a little exaggeration there. :rolleyes:

I agree Cottonwood, nice read...I wonder if any of these people read this forum? If I recall correctly, we all wanted to send scathing letters about the Hampton Inn.

[Boisebro]

now it's back to 31 floors and 400 feet. either that's outdated or it shrunk.

in other news, the royal plaza needs windows...

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a329/1boisebro/RP1.jpg

[nobody]

It's got windows actually, they're just really hard to see in the construction cam. Those four columns of windows without the plastic coverings actually have glass in them. If you watch long enough you'll see cars reflections driving by in them.

I'm not an architect or even vaguely informed about the process, but why doesn't this building have pants on yet? And by pants I mean to bottom 2 floors that are just bare and such. Are they waiting for the retail tenants and letting them choose the look of their walls or what? Any enlightened folks, spread some knowledge.

[Boizean]

^ That's an interesting way of putting it...I have no answer as to why though.

Those openings with the plastic are actually deck areas, the glass is set back some. If you look at the floor plan you'll see what I'm talking about.

http://www.royalplazaboise.com/3rd_4th_floors.html

[Boisebro]

another project underway is the Bronco Stadium press box/luxury box tower. here's a live webcam of the dirt-moving:

mms://webcast1.fiberpipe.tv/broncoivision

[nobody]

Bronco Stadium won't be Bronco Stadium for much longer - http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-mar1907-bronco_stadium.2a82e866.html

Cafe Ole Stadium, anyone? Will go nicely next to Taco Bell Arena.

[City Of Trees]

Bronco Stadium won't be Bronco Stadium for much longer - http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-mar1907-bronco_stadium.2a82e866.html

Cafe Ole Stadium, anyone? Will go nicely next to Taco Bell Arena.

No, better yet--Pink Taco Stadium!

http://www.wdsu.com/news/9956336/detail.html

That should give the announcers plenty of fodder when Oregon State comes to play here again.

[Boisebro]

nice.

anyone know how long the $10 mil is for? is that per year, 5 years, 10 years?

or is that just a number they threw out as a way of saying "serious inquiries only"?

[Cottonwood]

Please, no more venues named after nasty, greasy, mexican fast food:pepper:
Hooters.........maybe!

[Boizean]

I've updated the list. I've also highlighted the four rumors in yellow. I vote remove them altogether. Let me know what your vote is.

[City Of Trees]

This is what really pisses me off about the underground Statehouse project. :hell: :hell: :hell: :hell:

http://www.idahostatesman.com/273/story/76319.html

Trees must be cut, moved away from new wings
Soil over underground structures will be too shallow for large plants
By Anna Webb - Idaho Statesman
Edition Date: 03/20/07

The storage closet under the Statehouse steps illustrates the impermanence of all gardens.

The space contains remnants from the maple tree Theodore Roosevelt planted on the grounds in 1903. Nearby is a plaque that marked a Douglas fir grown from a seedling that traveled to the moon with Apollo 11 in 1969. The marker is there, but the fir is long gone.

The coming expansion will further change the Statehouse grounds. More than 40 trees, some historically significant, will be affected. Once underground wings are built, the soil over them will be only one foot deep, too shallow to support tree roots.

Most of the trees are small enough that they can be transplanted, but 11 are either too sickly or too large and will be removed. The Capitol Restoration and Expansion design team is starting the transplanting in the next few days. The process has the best chance of success if trees are still in a state of winter dormancy. Tree removal will come later.

"We don't like to see trees go. We're not eager to take them down. That's why we're attempting to save as many as possible," said Tim Mason, administrator at the Department of Public Works.

When the Legislature approved the wings, he said, it was a given that there would be no trees over their footprint. "You just can't have it both ways," he said.

"Loss of any mature trees on a historical site, particularly around the Capitol, is a big deal," said Brian Jorgenson, forestry specialist with the community foresty unit of Boise Parks and Recreation.

Excavation and the heavy equipment used to remodel the cement steps and porticos on each side of the building will compress the soil and also might affect additional trees that grow outside the outline of the wings, said Gary Daniel of the Idaho Capitol Commission.

Destined for transplant

All the trees being transplanted will find new homes on the Capitol Mall, an area bounded on the north, south, east, west by Washington, Jefferson, 3rd and 8th streets, respectively.

One famous transplant is the Tree of Guernica. As trees go, the small oak already has led a dramatic life.

In the early 1980s, Boise's Basque community received three seedlings grown from a famous oak in Guernica in the Basque Country, where lawmakers used to meet. The tree survived Nazi bombings in World War II and came to represent freedom and democracy, said retired Secretary of State Pete Cenarrusa, whose parents were born in Guernica, Boise's sister city.

Representatives from the community planted one of the seedlings on the Statehouse grounds on St. Ignatius Day with much fanfare. That night, said Cenarrusa, a vandal dug up the seedling and replaced it with a twig.

Luckily, two more seedlings existed. Cenarrusa and others quietly replaced the lost tree on the Statehouse grounds. They planted the other tree on the Basque Block, where it still stands.

Cenarrusa has taken a special interest in the Statehouse tree and was concerned when he found out it would be moved, he said. Last week he learned that it will be replanted at the building named for him, the Pete T. Cenarrusa Building.

"That means a great deal, knowing what the tree is and what it symbolizes," he said.

Other notable trees destined for travel include the red oak planted by Gov. Dirk Kempthorne a year after the attacks of 9/11 and a maple planted as a replacement for the troubled water oak planted by President Benjamin Harrison in 1891. The latter will take up residence next to the parking garage on 6th Street.

Gary Daniel hasn't heard from any of the groups that have dedicated trees and plaques slated to be moved or cut down. If a group did request a replacement tree, they would get one, but it would take a long time, Daniel said. Because of construction work, heavy equipment and watering issues, new trees cannot be planted on the Statehouse grounds until the spring of 2010.

giants laid to rest

The largest of the 11 trees that will be lost is an American elm tree that grows on the west lawn. Landscape maintenance supervisor Mike Garcia estimates that it's more than a century old. It's been flagging for the last two years but is essentially healthy, he said. Two other trees slated for removal are a good-sized sycamore that Garcia planted himself 10 years ago and an oak that he estimates is around 40 years old. He calls the oak, whose dark limbs are smooth and symmetrical, "a specimen."

"You can't find one better," he added.

On the east lawn, the Northern red oak planted in 1971 by the Sons and Daughters of Idaho Pioneers also is too large or too expensive to transplant, Garcia said, so it will be cut down.

Transplanting trees involves cutting a huge fan of dirt and bagging as many roots as possible. Moving a two-story tree like the red oak would take six people working for five days and cost around $30,000, he said.

If there's a bright side to tree removal, all of the wood from the trees that must come down will be salvaged, Daniel said. Local woodworkers have already said they're interested in building furniture with the wood, including desks and benches for the new wings. The wood will remain, in some form at least, on Statehouse grounds.

The most famous tree of all may be the water oak planted by President Benjamin Harrison, one year after he signed Idaho into Statehood in 1890. The tree has been the subject of valiant and unsuccessful life-saving attempts, including a new water source to replace the natural, but salty geothermal water on the grounds and an infusion of nutrients from Zamzow's in 2000.

The tree is not on the official removal list, but Daniel and Garcia agreed that it almost certainly will come down during the building project. For this tree, though, there may be a genuine bright light. Boise State horticulture students recently took close to 30 live tissue samples, each the size of a pinkie finger, from high in the tree's crown where there's still live growth.

In the next couple of weeks, the students, led by instructor Gary Moen, will attempt to graft the live wood to new oak seedlings.

Grafting is an uncertain process, Moen said, hence the large number of tissue samples. But if it works, he'll have at least one tree, a clone of the Harrison oak, to replant on the grounds when the building project is done. Moen will know if he has a successful graft by the end of May.

"It's the knowledge of having the same, exact tissue as the original," said Moen. "The tree was planted in the 1890s, planted by a president. That in itself for some people is sufficient to keep it going."

Contact reporter Anna Webb at awebb@idahostatesman.com or 377-6431.

[Sawtooth]

:previous: The renovation is needed but the underground wings are a stupid idea. There is a tunnel that goes from the statehouse to the old court house so I don't understand why they just don't gut the interior of the court house and make it more suitable for the legislature.

While we are on the subject of change:

KTVB.COM
Richard's in Hyde Park to close, open as new restaurant

07:17 PM MDT on Monday, March 19, 2007



BOISE -- This summer, the face of Hyde Park will change again!

Two of its most popular restaurants are going away.

Lucky 13 will close its doors on August 31 and move to a new location in Harris Ranch.

But first, Richard's will close, along with its sushi bar called Taste.

The owners, who bought the restaurant three years ago, say it's time for a change.

"Richards has always been a great fine dining restaurant, but we want to make fine dining more accessible, we want to support our local farmers, local ranchers and continue to do all natural, from scratch food, but it's time for a facelift, it's time for a new identity," said Erik McLaughlin, Richard's owner.

Richard's will end its long run as a fine dining restaurant on March 26 and will then be remodeled and reopen as Bungalow, a more casual restaurant and lounge.

Bungalow opens on April 6.

[Cottonwood]

http://www.idahostatesman.com/102/story/76575.html


Ada County's population grew by 13,617 people last year, but according to U.S. Census population estimates released Wednesday, it is not the state's fastest-growing county.
Valley County took that honor, with a 6.3 percent population increase last year, followed by Canyon and Teton counties, with 5 percent and 4.6 percent increases, respectively. Ada County was fourth with a 3.9 percent increase.

During the six years from 2000 to 2006, Canyon County grew the fastest, with a 31.8 percent population increase, followed by Kootenai and Ada counties, with 21 percent and 19.3 percent increases, respectively.

Canyon County was the only Idaho county to make the Census' list of 100 fastest-growing U.S. counties, ranking 39th of the nation's 3,141 counties.

Idaho has been listed as the third fastest-growing state in the country for two years in a row. Last year, the Gem State's population increased 2.6 percent, to 1,466,465.

By the numbers
Fastest growing Idaho counties 2005 to 2006:

Valley, 6.3 percent

Canyon, 5 percent

Teton, 4.6 percent

Ada, 3.9 percent

Jefferson, 3.4 percent

Fastest-growing Idaho counties 2000 to 2006:

Canyon, 31.8 percent

Kootenai, 21 percent

Ada, 19.3 percent

Bonneville, 14.7 percent

Twin Falls, 11.3 percent

Treasure Valley population:

The Boise metropolitan area covers six counties and is home to 607,245 people — 41 percent of the state’s population:

Ada, 359,035

Boise, 7,641

Canyon, 173,302

Elmore, 28,114

Gem, 16,558

Payette, 22,595

To offer story ideas or comments, contact reporter Cynthia Sewell at cmsewell@idahostatesman.com or 377-6428.

[jimthemanincda]

Here's a link to all of the newly released 2006 census estimates if you want to see the population numbers of a specific county...

http://www.census.gov/popest/counties/CO-EST2006-01.html

[Cottonwood]

http://www.ktvb.com/xtra/moresports/stories/ktvbx-mar2107-specolylogo.28ad8fd.html




2009 Special Olympics World Winter Games unveil logo

03:33 PM MDT on Wednesday, March 21, 2007


http://www.ktvb.com/xtra/moresports/stories/L_IMAGE.11173d7f37e.93.88.fa.d0.28f71e7.jpg




BOISE–
2009 Special Olympics World Winter Games Chief Executive Officer, Gary Hunter, board members and Special Olympic athletes Wednesday revealed the new logo that will represent the Games globally. The logo was made public in a press conference at the Qwest Arena. The 2009 Special Olympics World Winter Games will be staged in Boise and Tamarack Resort, Idaho, in February 2009, and will infuse about $45 million into the economy of the State of Idaho.



“This logo is a symbol of the hope that the Special Olympics Games bring to participants and spectators,” said Hunter. “It will serve to unite and inspire athletes from all over the world.” Due to its imaginative simplicity, Special Olympics International quickly approved this logo to become the official representation of the Games. Created by Temel Inc, a strategic marketing and branding agency in Boise, the logo will be the global identifying mark for the international multi-sport event which will unite nearly 3,000 athletes from 85 countries.



This event, promising to be the largest held in Idaho, is expected to operate on a $25 million budget. The Opening Ceremonies will be an unprecedented event in Idaho that is expected to fill Boise State University’s Bronco Stadium with over 30,000 people. Competition will take place in seven winter sports – Alpine Skiing, Cross-Country Skiing, Figure Skating, Floor Hockey, Snowboarding, Snow Shoeing, and Speed Skating. The Alpine and Cross-Country skiing competitions will be staged at Tamarack Resort, the first four-season destination ski resort in the U.S. developed in more than two decades. Figure skating competition will take place at the Qwest Arena in Boise.



Special Olympics is an international nonprofit organization dedicated to empowering individuals with intellectual disabilities to become healthy, productive and respected members of society through sports training and competition. Founded in 1968 by Eunice Kennedy Shriver, Special Olympics provides year-round sports training and competition to over 2 million children and adults with intellectual disabilities in more than 160 countries. Special Olympics provides one of the world's greatest platforms for acceptance and inclusion for all people--regardless of race, religion, ethnicity or cultural differences. Find out how you can become involved at www.specialolympics.org.

[Boizean]

Treasure Valley population:

The Boise metropolitan area covers six counties and is home to 607,245 people — 41 percent of the state’s population:

Ada, 359,035

Boise, 7,641

Canyon, 173,302

Elmore, 28,114

Gem, 16,558

Payette, 22,595


Wonder if they need clarification on which counties make up the Boise Metro or maybe something has changed.

Elmore and Payette counties were not part of the Boise MSA while Owyhee County was in 2005 has been excluded. :shrug:

I'll need to do some digging but when I get the time I'll compare these numbers to the population table I generated awhile back that included the census and COMPASS numbers. COMPASS numbers should be coming out soon as well.



Thanks for the link jimthemanincda.

[Boisebro]

don't bother, boizean.

everyone knows that boise has been losing population for years. in fact, i think you, me and cottonwood are the only three left.

[IdahoMountainBoy]

http://www.idahostatesman.com/102/story/76575.html
By the numbers
Fastest growing Idaho counties 2005 to 2006:

Valley, 6.3 percent

Canyon, 5 percent

Teton, 4.6 percent

Ada, 3.9 percent

Jefferson, 3.4 percent

Fastest-growing Idaho counties 2000 to 2006:

Canyon, 31.8 percent

Kootenai, 21 percent

Ada, 19.3 percent

Bonneville, 14.7 percent

Twin Falls, 11.3 percent

Treasure Valley population:

The Boise metropolitan area covers six counties and is home to 607,245 people — 41 percent of the state’s population:

Ada, 359,035

Boise, 7,641

Canyon, 173,302

Elmore, 28,114

Gem, 16,558

Payette, 22,595

To offer story ideas or comments, contact reporter Cynthia Sewell at cmsewell@idahostatesman.com or 377-6428.

Hah, the skeptics of Tamarack's viability must be biting their tongues right about now :rolleyes:

So Boise has crossed the 600,000 mark? I thought that was accomplished a couple years ago? Or am I referring to COMPASS's estimates?

[jimthemanincda]

Here's a quick comparison of the Census vs. COMPASS numbers for '04-'06. I'm sure Boizean will come up with a much better table though:

Ada County:
2004 2005 2006
Census- 332,419 345,418 359,035
COMPASS- 346,212 361,484 383,314

Canyon County:
2004 2005 2006
Census- 157,889 164,981 173,302
COMPASS- 159,531 167,141 175,781

As you can see, the Canyon County numbers are pretty similar (within 1.5% of each other this year), while the Ada County estimates from the Census bureau deviate 6.5% from the estimates from COMPASS. Kootenai County also has the same issue, with the Census showing a little over 131,000 people and county planning showing over 140,000.

[logicskier]

Saw today, on the back cover of the new IQ Magazine an ad for BOISE PLACE!!!

[Northernlad]

I flew in and out of Boise yesterday for a company meeting and you guys are so lucky to have the river and the parks. Your parks have to be the envy of a lot of cities and then the river is incomparable.
What is the good news about the aspen condos? I saw the signs for it next to that garage.

[nobody]

^Was it the signs that said "Coming Fall 2006?"

[el conquistador]

I flew in and out of Boise yesterday for a company meeting and you guys are so lucky to have the river and the parks. Your parks have to be the envy of a lot of cities and then the river is incomparable.
What is the good news about the aspen condos? I saw the signs for it next to that garage.


It fell behind BUT the developer has building permits in hand so the next step is to break ground. $7 million of the condos are presold, including the penthouses.

[jard]

don't bother, boizean.

everyone knows that boise has been losing population for years. in fact, i think you, me and cottonwood are the only three left.

Don't forget about MEEE!! My family has left me but I'm still here, so that makes four of us hold outs. It's been easy to get into the good eats, to bad nobody is here to feed us.

[Cottonwood]

I flew in and out of Boise yesterday for a company meeting and you guys are so lucky to have the river and the parks. Your parks have to be the envy of a lot of cities and then the river is incomparable.
What is the good news about the aspen condos? I saw the signs for it next to that garage.


Don't rub it in:rolleyes;) : Boise is always ranked as having some of the best and most scenic city parks in the nation. We came in #2 last year--but even without stupid rankings Boise still wins in the park category.

[Northernlad]

Don't rub it in:rolleyes;) : Boise is always ranked as having some of the best and most scenic city parks in the nation. We came in #2 last year--but even without stupid rankings Boise still wins in the park category.

Maybe your city parks department can give my local Salt Lake and the other SL metro parks departments some pointers and tips:cool:

[Sawtooth]

:previous: The Boise city parks department would probably turn your offer down. The river, ponds, and geographical location of Boise all contribute to the flora of our parks.


Here is a glimmer if hope I heard Saturday night while eating dinner at Gino's.
The table next to the one I was sitting at was carrying on a conversation about the unit(s) they had reserved in Boise Place and that they cannot wait until construction starts in a few months.

[Boisebro]

here’s the entire agenda for the next Design Review Committee meeting next month:


NEIGHBORS OF 1805 GOURLEY STREET are appealing the Planning Director’s decision to approve the three single-family dwellings on three contiguous substandard lots on property located at 1821Gourley Street in an R-1C (Single Family Residential) zone.

CATE IDAHO EQUIPMENT CO. requests Design Review approval to construct a warehouse building for heavy equipment sales on property located at 6418 W. Gowen Road in an M-1D (Limited Industrial with Design Review) zone.

BENCO PROPERITES INC requests Design Review approval to construct a single-story office building on property located at 8189 W. Overland Road in an N-OD (Neighborhood Office with Design Review) zone.

DAVE EVANS CONSTRUCTION requests Design Review approval to construct a one and a half story office building on property located at 1449 S. David Lane in an L-OD (Limited Office with Design Review) zone.

DAVE EVANS CONSTRUCTION requests Design Review approval to construct a two-story, office building on property located at 1880 W. Judith Lane in an L-OD (Limited Office with Design Review) zone.

V2 PROPERTIES LLC requests Design Review approval to construct a single-story, office and warehouse building on property located at 2745 Victory View Way in an M-1D (Limited Industrial with Design Review) zone.

ASPEN DEVELOPMENT LLC requests Design Review approval to construct an approx. 4,700 sq. ft. office building and an approx. 4,700 sq. ft. daycare on property located at 1575 S. Clear Creek Drive in an N-OD (Neighborhood Office with Design Review) zone.


so the biggest projects being reviewed are a two story office building, and a one-and-a-half story office building. one and a half? zuh?

i don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

cry, probably.
:wah:

[nobody]

^ Come on now, there 2 story is impressive! Be positive!

That's what, our 5th or 6th tallest?

[Cottonwood]

Over the past few years I have noticed that some projects, including large downtown buildings, are not always listed on the design review agenda and then all of the sudden we hear in the press they are approved. Maybe the city lists some projects on separate agendas because they are major downtown buildings?:shrug:

[Cottonwood]

Harris Ranch updates:

The whole article link:
http://www.idahostatesman.com/235/story/77570.html


A massive master plan that city planners call the largest and most complex development proposal in the city's history will come under public review Monday. Harris Ranch may grow to include 2,804 dwelling units, more than 8,000 residents and 1.5 million square feet of commercial space during the next two decades.
With support from several surrounding neighborhoods that participated in a design meeting, plans for the Barber Valley in East Boise will be reviewed at a Planning and Zoning Commission hearing at 6 p.m. Monday at City Hall, 150 N. Capitol Blvd.

The plan

The new master plan differs from previous plans, which called for suburban designs with minimal pedestrian links. It would add residential and commercial space to Harris Ranch's existing Mill District and Spring Creek areas, which have 419 homes and a small commercial area.

The proposal includes a mixed-use grid with homes,multi-family residential, parks, schools, pathways, Foothills open space and natural areas, new sections of Greenbelt, and commercial and office space. Also proposed is a resort spa, hotel and conference center that take advantage of the geothermal source at the mouth of Warm Springs Gulch.

City staff say the mixed-use approach will support pedestrian activity, reduce vehicle trips and help protect the environment.

[Boisebro]

i saw that, and looked at the pdf of the new site plan.

interesting that the addition is in a grid pattern. i think that's smart, and will make a nice transition from the existing suburban style neighborhoods of harrish ranch to the old-school grid pattern of the city.

too bad this will take 20 years to complete. that whole valley east of table rock is prime real estate for development, and would help bring more population to the east side.

[nobody]

Charterhouse Boise has been considering building a shorter Boise Place, according to a former employee of Charterhouse.

Gary Luke, who worked for developer Gary Rogers’ firm until a month ago, said Charterhouse had been struggling and one of the options it was considering to make Boise Place feasible to build was to reduce the number of stories. Luke left Charterhouse to join another development firm working in the Blacks Creek area.

The Boise Design Review Committee approved Boise Place as a 34-story mixed-use tower last November.

But since then, there’s been no activity on the project, said Hal Simmons, planning director for the city of Boise.

Charterhouse still has to settle a few details with Design Review related to building materials they would use in the project, Simmons said. They were supposed to come in and meet with the committee, but haven’t done so yet, he said. There’s no real timeline for Charterhouse to meet with Design Review, but he said he was surprised they hadn’t yet.

“They’re just sitting,” he said.

Rogers is scheduled to deliver a status report on Boise Place to Capital City Development Center’s Board of Commissioners on April 9, said Phil Kushlan, executive director of CCDC. Kushlan said he doesn’t know anything else about what’s happening with the project.

“We have no comment for you at any time at any place,” Rogers said.

Good ol' Boise Place. Gotta love the hole. Hopefully we'll know something more next Monday.

[Boizean]

don't bother, boizean.
Okay I won't...COMPASS hasn't released anything for 2007 yet anyway.



Boishee, I don't think anybody wants to read your post!

This was an interesting quote from Rogers. Sounds like he's a little agitated.

“We have no comment for you at any time at any place,” Rogers said.

Hard to say what's really happening but it has been way too quite for this project. :shrug:

[nobody]

Yeah I thought that quote was a little weird too.

[mttop]

:previous: Could it be an April Fools joke? :jester:

[Boizean]

If we could only be so lucky.

[Saturnfromboise]

Im seriously getting so sick of hearing bad news from this city's development projects. Yeah its great to hear about new developement, but on the other hand it pisses me off with all the bad news and heartache you have to go through before something new actually gets built. It almost makes me wanna move back to the Seattle area. ERRR

[Boizean]

^ Keep in mind this is just a rumor since it's not from an official spokesperson for Charterhouse Boise Downtown, L.L.C.

(which means it's probably more reliable :haha: )

[Boizean]

Welcome to the forum Lora (LV at IBR). :cheers:

[LV at IBR]

Thanks for the welcome.

Since some of you seemed curious, Gary didn't sound agitated when he said "no comment." I think he just doesn't want to talk to me personally. It was more of a blanket "no comment" about the entire project, actually.

[Mr.Boisean]

Great. More good news.

[Boizean]

We seem to have quite the wealth of (cough cough) good news.

[Boizean]

Since some of you seemed curious, Gary didn't sound agitated when he said "no comment." I think he just doesn't want to talk to me personally. It was more of a blanket "no comment" about the entire project, actually.
Why wouldn't Rogers want to talk to you personally. What did you do?

Edit: Oh! Never mind, probably the bankruptcy articles.

[Mr.Boisean]

Edit: Oh! Never mind probably the bankruptcy articles.

Pwned. I dont blame him.

[Evo5Boise]

Man. I just want to see this thing get built. Is Boise cursed to have a tall tower? :-(

[Saturnfromboise]

I know I know, but im still just sick of our city and state government and how things play out is all. Its just really really pissing me off lately.

[nobody]

At least Sustainable Community Stargate Double Metabolism Ultra Hey Hey Now 1 will be taller than US Bank, right? It's definitely supposed to be mo flo's.

[Boizean]

^ :lmao:

Right! :tup: Maybe, not sure, could be, possible, but this is Boise you know so not likely. :sly:

[IdaBoi]

Has anyone located a website for the Library Blocks? If my memory is correct, the developer said he wanted to start the project this summer.

[Cottonwood]

Today in the Idaho Statesman, they mention and have a link to the thread Sawtooth posted with the pictures of Harrison and they also mention this website.
This is cool because now the IBR and Statesman are all privy to this website.
Now if the city of Boise would get on board they could get a lot of ideas from all of us regarding design review:cheers:

[nobody]

A downtown Boise housing development has a new lease on life.

David Southers defaulted on loan payments to Hopkins Financial for his five-story mixed-use project, the Metropolitan, and Hopkins scheduled a public auction for the site.

But Southers found a partner – Wilsonville, Ore.-based Costa Pacific Communities – to provide the equity he needed to pay off his loan, get the property back, and continue to move forward with construction plans.

Costa Pacific CEO Rudy Kadlub said he and Southers have applied for a building permit for the subterranean parking garage and first-floor retail component of the project.

They are redesigning the condominium floor plans to make them more efficient and create more living space, Kadlub said. Once the designs and plans have been reworked and the developers have acquired a construction loan, they hope to begin construction in late spring or early summer, he said.

“It’s harder than I thought to get it started,” Southers said. But he said he was always optimistic about the project and worked on it even when financing was in doubt so the project would not run into any delays except for the floor plan redesign. “We never missed a beat,” he said.

Kadlub said he has known Southers for years and thinks the Metropolitan is an appealing project. “It’s … a good response to urban development, urban planning,” he said.

I like the IBR today, good news on 2 projects in one day in Boise, who'da thunkit?

[el conquistador]

I like the IBR today, good news on 2 projects in one day in Boise, who'da thunkit?


It's about bloody time we start hearing some positive news. Now then, as for the little tower in the heart of downtown.........:D

[Cottonwood]

actually 3 projects--Jefferson, Aspen and Met.

[boisecynic]

Garden City's high end Waterfront District development is going gangbusters, 3 single family homes are well under way and now they're moving in the trailers. Wait! Whaaaaaat?

Ok, so it's manufactured housing, not trailers. Funny, a couple of months ago when I spent an hour with the onsite realtor, no mention was made of manufactured housing.

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/8681/wfd1hc2.jpg

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3619/wfd2kv7.jpg

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/1046/wfd3ve8.jpg

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/7554/wfd4fc3.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/563/wfd5ek4.jpg

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/7995/wfd6br2.jpg

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/4189/wfd7dg7.jpg

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/1382/wfd8wx8.jpg

[boi2socal]

So those manufactured "homes" are actually residences? Not sales buildings?

That's strange for a new development. Not so great for home values.

[boisecynic]

Those particular buildings will be the live/work "flats." I don't know exactly what kind of work will be allowed, hopefully not auto repair. I think they're supposed to be artist studios. Those big foundations in the last 4 pics, I guess those are for those manufactured houses. Look closely at the 1st pic of the sign, those are the middle green color at the west side of the property.

I'll reserve my verdict until they're complete. Those didn't look like your ordinary manu. homes.

I should mention, those "flats" will be going for $249,000 if I'm not mistaken. I'm gonna verify that today.

[Boizean]

Keep us posted on this project boisecynic. I'm interested to see how it all turns out. It looks to be more than trailers on foundation. Manufactured offsite isn't necessarily a bad thing.


Does anybody know what this project is at the corner of University Dr. and Lincoln St.? I thought maybe the SUB but wasn't it supposed to be a remodel and addition rather than a complete new building?

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9673/1000118tz2.jpg

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/3349/1000117yi3.jpg

[BrianInBoise]

Could be wrong, but I think I heard it is going to be a parking garage.

[Boizean]

Could be wrong, but I think I heard it is going to be a parking garage.
I think you're right. I've totally forgotten about the parking garage(s).

[Boizean]

My first attempt at some urban texture pics...not worthy of a new thread...

Be nice if the satellite dishes weren't in the way in this one.
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4359/1000142bk6.jpg

Couldn't quite get the sign to sit right in this shot. Bummer.
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9278/1000151bh5.jpg

Complain complain, but I wish I could of excluded the Idanha Hotel.
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7441/1000150za3.jpg

[alphawolf]

Its going to be a 5 story parking garage for BSU.

[Boizean]

Already acknowledged couple posts up. Check the project list and there it is. LOL.

[eastidaho]

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l94/cgummow/1000118tz21.jpg

I can't believe they tore down my college apartment for a parking garage!!!!

Are you kidding me? :whip:

They could have at least put 4-5 story residential or some 3-4 story campus building, but a parking lot? a parking lot? I guess all of those thousands of students who wanted to drive in from Star, Kuna, Meridian, B.F.E. finally won out over the few who actually lived next to campus, and never complained once about parking at Boise State. Just another example of how suburbia kicks my ass. Why drive when you can walk to class, greenbelt, take the bus downtown?

Alright, sorry for the rant. I just had some good times in that old apartment with my wife, wading through finals, graduation, and other things....:naughty:

[eastidaho]

BTW, great pictures Boizean. I really like the reflection of the Banner in the last pic.

[Boizean]

BTW, great pictures Boizean. I really like the reflection of the Banner in the last pic.
Thanks but I definitely need more practice.


Updates on Boise Place and Capitol Terrace Apartments due with CCDC on Monday the 9th. Maybe will hear something good about their progress. :shrug:

http://www.ccdcboise.com/Agendas/04-09-07%20Reg%20Meeting.pdf

[nobody]

Are Capitol Terrace Apts the one's that they're tacking on top of Gino's and whatever else is up there now?

[Boisebro]

Are Capitol Terrace Apts the one's that they're tacking on top of Gino's and whatever else is up there now?

yep.

these are that:

http://www.parklaneco.com/pics/capitolTerrace/8thstreet.jpg

http://www.parklaneco.com/pics/capitolTerrace/garage.jpg

http://www.parklaneco.com/pics/capitolTerrace/mainstreet.jpg

[el conquistador]

I like those Capital Terrace Apts, they will add some nice density, assuming the WAMU folks who kept bitching about them will STFU.

[nobody]

I like them a lot, looking forward to some more color downtown.

[alphawolf]

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l94/cgummow/1000118tz21.jpg

I can't believe they tore down my college apartment for a parking garage!!!!

Are you kidding me? :whip:

They could have at least put 4-5 story residential or some 3-4 story campus building, but a parking lot? a parking lot? I guess all of those thousands of students who wanted to drive in from Star, Kuna, Meridian, B.F.E. finally won out over the few who actually lived next to campus, and never complained once about parking at Boise State. Just another example of how suburbia kicks my ass. Why drive when you can walk to class, greenbelt, take the bus downtown?

Alright, sorry for the rant. I just had some good times in that old apartment with my wife, wading through finals, graduation, and other things....:naughty:

Yeah, it pretty sad when a company.... I mean, university doesn't utilize its vast flat lots and instead sees it better to destroy some rare pieces of architecture in an old grid style block of Boise. Maybe somebody else can answer this but how much is parking this semester?

[jimthemanincda]

Yeah, it pretty sad when a company.... I mean, university doesn't utilize its vast flat lots and instead sees it better to destroy some rare pieces of architecture in an old grid style block of Boise. Maybe somebody else can answer this but how much is parking this semester?


Here are some of the parking rates for BSU. There were many more categories listed on the parking website here: http://www.boisestate.edu/parking/prg_pfcs-07.htm

Reserved Permits:
– Employee: $257 each per academic year; $130 for Spring 07; $98 for summer 07
– Student: $218 each per academic year; $109 for Spring 07; $ 83 for summer 07

General Permits:
– Employee: $119 each per academic year; $60 for Spring 07; $45 for summer 07
– Student: $ 80 each per academic year; $40 for Spring 07; $30 for summer 07

Weekend Permits: (Valid Saturdays & Sundays only)
– Employee: $41 each per academic year; $21 for Spring 07; $16 for summer 07
– Student: $24 each per academic year; $12 for Spring 07; $ 9 for summer 07

Chaffee, Driscoll, Morrison, Kaiser & Taylor Resident Hall Permits:
–Resident Hall: $99, $129 and $189 each per academic year
–Resident Hall: $50, $ 65 and $ 95 Spring 07
–Resident Hall; $38, $ 49 and $ 72 Summer 07

Towers Hall
–Resident Hall; $99 each per academic year

[alphawolf]

Yeah, thats why I walked a couple of blocks to class. I'll have to find some old rates and post them.

[IFtowner]

When I was in Boise, I stayed in the renovated StateHouse Inn or whatever it's called, and the Royal Plaza is looking pretty nice and bigger than I thought it would be.

I also noticed the parking garage on BSU, why can't they walk?

[boisepicture]

17-story hotel/condo tower to accompany Boise Whole Foods

http://www.idahobusiness.net/archive.htm/2007/04/05/17story-hotelcondo-tower-to-accompany-Boise-Whole-Foods

This might be a good development.

[Boizean]

17-story hotel/condo tower to accompany Boise Whole Foods

http://www.idahobusiness.net/archive.htm/2007/04/05/17story-hotelcondo-tower-to-accompany-Boise-Whole-Foods

This might be a good development.
You might want to check this thread out;

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=128804

[el conquistador]

Yeah, it pretty sad when a company.... I mean, university doesn't utilize its vast flat lots and instead sees it better to destroy some rare pieces of architecture in an old grid style block of Boise. Maybe somebody else can answer this but how much is parking this semester?

That is an odd thing to say. :shrug:


Alphawolf, what were they supposed to do with that land? A block away they will be breaking ground on the new health sciences building. The engineering building will expand. When the Community College system gets going, they will spin all those old buildings on the north side of University into larger academic buildings. The stadium will be growing in a few years. The university as a whole is growing by leaps and bounds. Now then, where are all the extra students supposed to park? Do you think the residents around there are happy with the situation as it stands now? Not a bit. And that is with the assumption of more on-campus housing?

That area of land from University to Beacon has been part of BSU's long-term plan for years now, so to act sentimental about dumpy rentals is kind of ridiculous IMO. Boise State is an urban campus with limited space, and like other urban campuses it caters mostly to commuters. Parking is desparately needed. I think the location makes sense, and hope to see another lot near the stadium soon. As for the cost for parking, Boise State is forced to recover $$$ since the State has short-funded them for years. Plus, compare those parking rates to other city campuses. It's in line.

[Mr.Boisean]

That is an odd thing to say. :shrug:


Alphawolf, what were they supposed to do with that land? A block away they will be breaking ground on the new health sciences building. The engineering building will expand. When the Community College system gets going, they will spin all those old buildings on the north side of University into larger academic buildings. The stadium will be growing in a few years. The university as a whole is growing by leaps and bounds. Now then, where are all the extra students supposed to park? Do you think the residents around there are happy with the situation as it stands now? Not a bit. And that is with the assumption of more on-campus housing?

That area of land from University to Beacon has been part of BSU's long-term plan for years now, so to act sentimental about dumpy rentals is kind of ridiculous IMO. Boise State is an urban campus with limited space, and like other urban campuses it caters mostly to commuters. Parking is desparately needed. I think the location makes sense, and hope to see another lot near the stadium soon. As for the cost for parking, Boise State is forced to recover $$$ since the State has short-funded them for years. Plus, compare those parking rates to other city campuses. It's in line.

^^^ agreed.

Besides, the only that was there for the last 10 years or so, as far as I can remember, was a dumpy surface lot and a couple trailer offices. A parking structure sounds fine to me.

[alphawolf]

That is an odd thing to say. :shrug:


Alphawolf, what were they supposed to do with that land? A block away they will be breaking ground on the new health sciences building. The engineering building will expand. When the Community College system gets going, they will spin all those old buildings on the north side of University into larger academic buildings. The stadium will be growing in a few years. The university as a whole is growing by leaps and bounds. Now then, where are all the extra students supposed to park? Do you think the residents around there are happy with the situation as it stands now? Not a bit. And that is with the assumption of more on-campus housing?

That area of land from University to Beacon has been part of BSU's long-term plan for years now, so to act sentimental about dumpy rentals is kind of ridiculous IMO. Boise State is an urban campus with limited space, and like other urban campuses it caters mostly to commuters. Parking is desparately needed. I think the location makes sense, and hope to see another lot near the stadium soon. As for the cost for parking, Boise State is forced to recover $$$ since the State has short-funded them for years. Plus, compare those parking rates to other city campuses. It's in line.

Yes BSU is expanding, but one would only have to look at the university as a whole and by that I mean the campus. When you look at the density of the structures there you see that the highest building is seven storys. Could this improve? I believe so. They could have built a bigger garage in the first place which would have helped nearby residents with the parking situation more so than it already is. As for student housing. The options have improved, but not nearly enough to sustain the enrollment levels its seeing. My ex's brother had a bitch of a time trying to get into the dorms this last semester and I could go on about other people's storys with that. As for "forced to recover" the board of education knows this tactic quite well when getting money from the state. How do you see money being in limited supply? Also, who do you think let those shitty rentals end up in that state? I agree they need more garages in other parts of the campus. Lets say next to the stadium and next to the sub on the flat lots.

parking fees for single cars for other universities with even more limited space:
PSU - $231-258
Seattle University - $182-252
Boston College - $100-600

[jard]

Nice pics boizean, and for the parking garage at BSU, I think this is a welcome addition. There are a lot of working adults that go to school now and living in the dorms or some rental next to the university just isn't an option. This will also help with the football games.

[el conquistador]

Yes BSU is expanding, but one would only have to look at the university as a whole and by that I mean the campus. When you look at the density of the structures there you see that the highest building is seven storys. Could this improve? I believe so. They could have built a bigger garage in the first place which would have helped nearby residents with the parking situation more so than it already is. As for student housing. The options have improved, but not nearly enough to sustain the enrollment levels its seeing. My ex's brother had a bitch of a time trying to get into the dorms this last semester and I could go on about other people's storys with that. As for "forced to recover" the board of education knows this tactic quite well when getting money from the state. How do you see money being in limited supply? Also, who do you think let those shitty rentals end up in that state? I agree they need more garages in other parts of the campus. Lets say next to the stadium and next to the sub on the flat lots.

parking fees for single cars for other universities with even more limited space:
PSU - $231-258
Seattle University - $182-252
Boston College - $100-600

Agree with you there, I would like to see bigger building on campus. I like the plan for the COBE buidling, but would LOVE to see residence towers (8-10 story) like other campuses have. I think it will happen, but BSU is just gaining in political clout to make these things happen. It's hard when for years they have been getting public money through an eye dropper. ISU is in the same boat. I hope the capital campaign Dr. Kustra is kicking off is realized, because with the current attitude our legislature has towards higher ed, the Universities are on their own pretty much for capital improvement.

[alphawolf]

Can anyone recall how many residential units were suppose to go up on the west side of the campus? Around the University Inn.

[el conquistador]

Can anyone recall how many residential units were suppose to go up on the west side of the campus? Around the University Inn.

I bet I could find someone who knows. Gimme a couple days in case no one here has that info.

[nobody]

Updates on Boise Place and Capitol Terrace Apartments due with CCDC on Monday the 9th. Maybe will hear something good about their progress. :shrug:

http://www.ccdcboise.com/Agendas/04-09-07%20Reg%20Meeting.pdf

Today's the day. Anyone want to put some money down on there being good news? :fingerscrossed: