[Boizean]

I believe Boise Airport is pushing for regional air cargo operations. This is likely to be the catalyst for expanding customs or gaining "international" recognition.

...at least per the master plan.

[Sawtooth]

At the IBR website, which I do not have an account to read the entire articles, there is a story about the Auditorium District coming up with a plan to tear down the Qwest Arena to expand the convention center. Does anyone know if the District owns the Arena or does The Grove Hotel own it?


Where would the Steelheads play and how much of The Grove Plaza would be impacted are a few questions I have.

http://idahobusinessreview.com/2010/11/16/board-looks-at-tearing-down-qwest-arena-to-build-new-convention-space/

[Boizean]

This is news. I remember a story not too long ago about adding a second floor to the current convention center building but not this.

As for your other questions...don't know.


http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/11/14/1418044/district-discusses-boisecentre.html

[Visualize]

Here is the rest of the article.

http://www.dolanmedia.com/view.cfm?recID=649554

I really hope they don't do this. This could be used as a bargaining chip in the plea to voters... "Pass the new convention center or we'll tear down Qwest Arena." This is just really stupid. Qwest Arena is an awesome venue for all sorts of entertainment, and a real asset to downtown. Times will get better.

[Sawtooth]

Thanks for those links Boizean and Visualize.

I agree with you Visualize, that they do not go this route. If they do, it will have to be designed to not impact the pedestrian and bike flow out of or into The Grove where the plaza meets Front and continues along 8th.

I can't think of another venue the Steelheads could play in, certainly not the Idaho Ice World. The Sun Valley Lodge Ice Rink? Taco Bell Arena:D

[Boiseguy]

One thing to consider when it comes to growth is water and land.. the snake river valley stretches 100 miles wide and swaths across the entire souther portion of the state.. along with various other accesses to water, not to mention one of the largest underground aquifers in north america....
Those things impact growth once places like portland, seattle, slc, and denver become too expensive to live and do business in.

Check out populations of the State of Arizona..if you want to see just how fast a random place can grow...
I would like to see boise grow.. but then a part of me wishes to not see it grow...it's only a matter of time

[s.p.hansen]

One thing to consider when it comes to growth is water and land.. the snake river valley stretches 100 miles wide and swaths across the entire souther portion of the state.. along with various other accesses to water, not to mention one of the largest underground aquifers in north america....
Those things impact growth once places like portland, seattle, slc, and denver become too expensive to live and do business in.

I think the water you have is an incredible asset.

Check out populations of the State of Arizona..if you want to see just how fast a random place can grow...
I would like to see boise grow.. but then a part of me wishes to not see it grow...it's only a matter of time

The best thing Boise can do is embrace that it will grow big time and start planning to the best of its ability to keep that growth in a smaller radius of land.

Go the Denver route vs. the Phoenix route. The Denver Metro is 1,984,887 vs. the Phoenix Metro of 4,364,034.

Denver's skyline rivals Seattle and Phoenix's skyline is barely more impressive than Salt Lake City.

[CaliforniaKid]

I have lived in various different locations in the U.S. and I can say without question that Boise is one of the best locations to live in America. Why? Well for one thing the weather is simply awesome. If you live along the ocean here in California it's always foggy and cold. You also are nestled in the mountains which is real nice AND you get the four seasons.

On top of that it is still VERY expensive to live here in California. As an example my wimpy 30 year old condo is still worth over 400 thousand dollars. By the time I get this thing paid off, I'll be a crotchety old man. :hell:

I see Boise growing fast as more people find out more about it.. The BSU broncos surely have exposed Boise more.

[BoiseAirport]

Sorry man, but I just do not see Boise EVER getting international service, not even to Canada.

To say Boise will never get service to Canada is as absurd as saying "Phoenix will never have service to Europe" in the 1960s (which, by the way, would've yielded a similar response). Cities change, growth patterns change, and traffic patterns drastically change over long spans of time.

I think the airlines realize that they can easily serve Boise passengers to Canada by having them connect via Portland Int'l Airport or most of the time through the Seattle/Tacoma International Airport. I actually think Spokane has a better chance of getting service to Canada before Boise ever would.

Seattle far, far more than Portland.

And Spokane has already seen Canada service from Central Mountain Air.

With that being said, do not ever count on having Mexico service to/from Boise either. Boise passengers can easily connect via Salt Lake International, LAX, Phoenix Sky Harbor International or even SFO. I think most Boise pasnegers traveling to Mexico actually connect via SLC. I know SLC has non-stop service to Cancun, Mexico City, Guadalajara, Los Cabos and Puerto Vallarta.

I'm not really sure what the point of your post is. You seem to be re-iterating most of everything I said, except expressing it more in a way that boosts your own city and needlessly condescend's Boise.

And again, it's simply absurd to put an absolute like "never" on such a broad topic when it comes to the airline industry. People who say "never" like that are almost always wrong.

By the way, most travelers in Boise flying to Mexico connect through Los Angeles, San Francisco and Phoenix, which have far more service to Mexico than Salt Lake City does.

Same goes with Hawaii service. Boise is in the shadows of Seattle, Portland SFO and SLC, which all already have service to either Honolulu and/or Maui.

You're underestimating the Hawaii market. Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, and Salt Lake all already see a tremendous amount of service to Hawaii. Right now there over a hundred passengers a day flying between Boise and Honolulu. When we hit 5-6 million pax per yer, that number could easily be 200 or more a day; more than enough for a nonstop.

In addition to Eugene, Fresno, Colorado Springs, and Tuscon, Allegiant has expressed strong interest in serving Boise nonstop to Hawaii in 2012

WestJet in the future, I could see them serving SLC and Seattle if the codshare with Delta Air Lines, if that happens.

I don't think you'll see WestJet in SLC. Delta has that market well covered already, and has such brand recognition that there isn't much need for another airline to do the same thing that Delta could.

I think the majority of passengers from Boise going to Europe connect in either Salt Lake, Denver or Chicago-O'Hare. I know for a fact connecting in SLC for int'l flights for Boise passengers is very popular.

Asian travelers to/from Boise connect most of the time via Seattle/Tacoma Int'l or SFO, and some use the Delta flights between Portland and Tokyo-Narita as well. Some Boise travelers connect through SLC on Delta on the SLC to Tokyo-Narita flight too.

What does this even have to do with my post?

The vast majority of European travelers from Boise do not connect through Denver or Salt Lake... there is extremely limited international service out of both. International travelers connect through Seattle, Chicago, and Los Angeles, and San Francisco.

What I'm saying isn't based on guessing, but based on historical and current facts and statistics. In addition to O&D traffic information, it's also based on looking at cities of similar size and making applicable connections and analogies.

When the Boise Airport hits over 6 million travelers per year, which I anticipate will happen within the next 15 years, I can guarantee that you will see some attempt at service to Canada.

You could make a hundred other similar arguments like the one you made against cities like Albuquerque, Austin, Oklahoma City, Omaha, Indianapolis, etc. but ultimately all of those cities saw international service at some point or another, despite being "in the shadow" of bigger airports nearby. Why? Because the market demanded a nonstop over a one-stop, and an airline came to fill it in. Simple as that. Boise will be no different.

If the market demands a nonstop, it will happen; and I would say for some of the key international markets (Vancouver being by far the largest), we're already halfway there.

[BoiseAirport]

Here is the rest of the article.

http://www.dolanmedia.com/view.cfm?recID=649554

I really hope they don't do this. This could be used as a bargaining chip in the plea to voters... "Pass the new convention center or we'll tear down Qwest Arena." This is just really stupid. Qwest Arena is an awesome venue for all sorts of entertainment, and a real asset to downtown. Times will get better.

Reading the article, it sounds like they would rebuild Qwest Arena in the lot adjacent to the Grove Hotel.

That's a really bizarre proposal. I thought the Qwest Arena and the Grove Hotel was private property and that they couldn't just tear it down without the business owner's approval.

Secondly, say this proposal does go through... what happens to the Grove Hotel?

[Visualize]

^^^Ahhh...you're right. I just read it real quick the first time and missed that. That's interesting, but seems incredibly wasteful. And Block 22 owns the arena and would need to sell it first, they can't just tear it down.

[boi2socal]

Most growth across the West was fueled by real estate...people cashing out and moving to less expensive alternatives. I do not think we will see similar explosive growth for many, many years. Boise and any other city will need REAL economic growth to fuel population growth. I.E. businesses relocating, local companies hiring, etc.

That being said I think Boise will continue to grow as it is an attractive place to live. Just more slow and steady compared to past years unless a rash of companies hire, expand or set up shop in Boise. Which is possible but honestly I've heard that story since I was a kid and haven't seen it.

[Cottonwood]

There is no doubt that Boise will continue growing, it has been one of the fastest growing cities for quite a few years and is in a really attractive area and state, people are drawn here. The local economy has been diversifying and will continue as the years pump along, but hopefully companies keep leaving the West Coast for the friendlier inland west. Why would someone want to live in rainy damp moldy Portland when they can be in happy sunny Boise and still enjoy great wine and coffee, art and culture? Speaking of growth, I have noticed the past year a lot of vehicles in Boise with out of state plates, tons of vehicles, and reminds me of 5 years ago when everyone was moving here.

[Saturnfromboise]

I see out of state plates all the time every day i drive.

[Evo5Boise]

While not as much of a boom as we saw in the 90's, I could never imagine Boise coming to a halt on growth. It's just too great of an area to live. And the secret is out. Boise has the big cities amenities without the big city headaches. And people appreciate that quality. Problem is, we will be a big city eventually.

I just hope Boise adapts. It seems through the 80's/90's it was so stuck on staying a small town that it got behind on the growth. And now they are paying for that in a lot of areas including traffic patterns.

[boi2socal]

According to the Census the Boise Metro Area ranked 100th for growth from 2008-2009. So things have slowed considerably. But the estimate officially passed 600,000.

[Cottonwood]

:previous: yeah, 08 and 09 were when the national economy really started going to hell which kept a lot of people from being able to move here (or anywhere) because they could not sell their homes in CA, WA, OR or really any other state. I feel the the slower period we are in is a good way to get "caught up" with all of the growth we have had and get ramped up for the growth which is going to keep on happening.

[boi2socal]

:previous: yeah, 08 and 09 were when the national economy really started going to hell which kept a lot of people from being able to move here (or anywhere) because they could not sell their homes in CA, WA, OR or really any other state. I feel the the slower period we are in is a good way to get "caught up" with all of the growth we have had and get ramped up for the growth which is going to keep on happening.
I know a lot of people moving to Texas...that's where the jobs are.

[Cottonwood]

I know a lot of people moving to Texas...that's where the jobs are.

Poor peeps, having to move to TX. :D :cheers:

[boi2socal]

Poor peeps, having to move to TX. :D :cheers:
Not my first choice. Although I've heard Austin is nice. I've heard people compare it to Boise.

[BoiseAirport]

One thing Boise will always have -- Climate. Personally, maybe it's just me, but I think our climate is one of our greatest assets. We have a very distinct Summer, Winter, Fall and Spring. Our weather is mild but sometimes unpredictable. It can get really interesting without getting too destructive or chaotic.

Plus the dry heat in the summer feels so fantastic. The only thing I would change if I could would be to double the amount of precipation we get and even it out in the July-August/January-February months.

[BoiseAirport]

Not my first choice. Although I've heard Austin is nice. I've heard people compare it to Boise.

I've heard that too, actually. In fact, I know a few people who regularly travel to Austin, and say that Austin is probably more similar, culturally and in some ways economically, to Boise than any other American city. I've really wanted to visit Austin.. I certainly wish we could've grown the same way they have over the last decade (huge emphasis on downtown development there).

[andyroo]

The town of Boise is a joke. The only time you should go to Boise is when you have to drive through Boise. Other than that, avoid Boise like the aids.

I'm not sure I understand the hostility? No one is forcing you to like the town of Boise...

I for one love Boise. Moved out here from South Dakota to go to college at bsu and think it's a great place to live. I also don't understand why you would be visiting Boise's forum if you despise it so much? That's like someone purposely stepping in dog poo because they hate to scrape it off their shoe when it hardens.

Please move along troll...

[Sawtooth]

I've heard that too, actually. In fact, I know a few people who regularly travel to Austin, and say that Austin is probably more similar, culturally and in some ways economically, to Boise than any other American city. I've really wanted to visit Austin.. I certainly wish we could've grown the same way they have over the last decade (huge emphasis on downtown development there).

Both cities have impressive rivers.

Every great city should have a river.

[Portland Dude]

I'm not sure I understand the hostility? No one is forcing you to like the town of Boise...

I for one love Boise. Moved out here from South Dakota to go to college at bsu and think it's a great place to live. I also don't understand why you would be visiting Boise's forum if you despise it so much? That's like someone purposely stepping in dog poo because they hate to scrape it off their shoe when it hardens.

Please move along troll...

Well moving from South Dakota to Boise is not much of a move or difference. Both are places to avoid as much as possible.

What is the ratio of cows to people in Idaho, isn't it 5 cows for every 1 person?

[SandSailor]

"Go the Denver route vs. the Phoenix route. The Denver Metro is 1,984,887 vs. the Phoenix Metro of 4,364,034."


Denver Metro is over 3 million. Might land close to 3.3 million when the census comes out soon.

[Visualize]

I'm new to this, so I have a question...

What will get you band? I want to know so it does not happen to me. Thanks!

This was his 5th post. It's obvious what his purpose is.

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m48/visualeyez1983/troll.jpg

[Sawtooth]

Let's start a thread to BAN UTAH forumer Portland Dude!!! And the other screen names he reps Utah under the guise of because it is strange that he has Portland listed and he only posts in Utah threads and then degrades Idaho and Boise.

[BoiseAirport]

Well moving from South Dakota to Boise is not much of a move or difference. Both are places to avoid as much as possible.

What is the ratio of cows to people in Idaho, isn't it 5 cows for every 1 person?

Get a hobby dude. :haha:

[boisecynic]

People, he's a troll. It's likely his previous user name was Proxy. Proxy was banned and in less than 24 hrs... a new user account.

See this post: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=5061061&postcount=5249

Just PM one of the moderators--- Cirrus, Viperlord, Combusean. Links to them are down at the bottom of the Mountain West front page. Provide the moderator the link to his troll post(s).

[Portland Dude]

Why are all you Idaho and Boise people stalking me and trying to find and see where and what I post? Weird....

Is Boise, Idaho that boring? It seems that way. Don't you guys have your Boise State Junior College Broncos to watch today?

I heard it's actually more difficult to get accepted into Candyland Tech and Cream Puff State than it is to get into Boise State Junior College, home of the Broncos...

[Sawtooth]

Why are all you Idaho and Boise people stalking me and trying to find and see where and what I post? Weird....

Is Boise, Idaho that boring? It seems that way. Don't you guys have your Boise State Junior College Broncos to watch today?

I heard it's actually more difficult to get accepted into Candyland Tech and Cream Puff State than it is to get into Boise State Junior College, home of the Broncos...

Lets see, you have a dozen posts which are pretty easy to look through.

Is Salt Lake so boring that you are hanging out on line?

never mind, this trash is not worth it. I bet there is a pack of hungry wolves near Boise looking for some meat. Pdude are you fattened up?

[Jasonhouse]

Why are all you Idaho and Boise people stalking me and trying to find and see where and what I post? Weird....

Is Boise, Idaho that boring? It seems that way. Don't you guys have your Boise State Junior College Broncos to watch today?

I heard it's actually more difficult to get accepted into Candyland Tech and Cream Puff State than it is to get into Boise State Junior College, home of the Broncos...

Just to let you know... Your behavior does not lend itself well to a lasting membership here.

[CaliforniaKid]

Why are all you Idaho and Boise people stalking me and trying to find and see where and what I post? Weird....

Is Boise, Idaho that boring? It seems that way. Don't you guys have your Boise State Junior College Broncos to watch today?

I heard it's actually more difficult to get accepted into Candyland Tech and Cream Puff State than it is to get into Boise State Junior College, home of the Broncos...

LOL... Are you really from Portland? One of the highest suicide rates in the country? You talk about Boise being boring, but at least they don't hate where they live like you guys do... :haha:

And speaking of brains. What has Oregon ever produced? Nike shoes? What an earth shattering technological achievement. :koko:

[Boiseguy]

LOL... Are you really from Portland? One of the highest suicide rates in the country? You talk about Boise being boring, but at least they don't hate where they live like you guys do... :haha:

And speaking of brains. What has Oregon ever produced? Nike shoes? What an earth shattering technological achievement. :koko:

everyone that moves to portland ends up a junkie... and everyone that moves to salt lake ends up bitter... :haha:

seriously though.. there are tons of people in boise from seattle and portland and I mean TONS... there are quite a few people from the salt lake area too. As boise grows it no longer is served by offices in larger cities when it comes to business.. those businesses are setting up shop here and forcing those employees to relocate here.
20 years ago boise might have been fly-over country... NOT anymore.. people come and end up staying...

[CaliforniaKid]

seriously though.. there are tons of people in boise from seattle and portland and I mean TONS... there are quite a few people from the salt lake area too. As boise grows it no longer is served by offices in larger cities when it comes to business.. those businesses are setting up shop here and forcing those employees to relocate here.
20 years ago boise might have been fly-over country... NOT anymore.. people come and end up staying...

Well I made the silly mistake of moving to California about 25 years ago and now I'm regretting it. It's still very expensive living here even in a recession. Once peaceful neighborhoods are now being overrun with gangs, murders, and drug trafficking. These are in rich neighborhoods too. :(

The real neat thing about Boise is the sunshine, the four seasons, and those beautiful mountains. And just a jump away are beautiful forests. Now that is here in some locations in California also, but they are also very remote, like Tahoe and not heavily populated.

[boi2socal]

That Portland Dude is annoying, but talking crap about other cities is no better. Portland is a cool city, so is Boise. Insinuating people from PDX are junkies, stupid, suicidal, whatever isn't any better than that "trolls" posts.

[BoiseAirport]

That Portland Dude is annoying, but talking crap about other cities is no better. Portland is a cool city, so is Boise. Insinuating people from PDX are junkies, stupid, suicidal, whatever isn't any better than that "trolls" posts.

Agreed. Just stop feeding the troll and ignore him.

[Boiseguy]

That Portland Dude is annoying, but talking crap about other cities is no better. Portland is a cool city, so is Boise. Insinuating people from PDX are junkies, stupid, suicidal, whatever isn't any better than that "trolls" posts.

I like portland.. I grew up in the pacific northwest... it was a joke... jesus christ... :rolleyes:

[TonyAnderson]

Proxy was UrbanBoy, and UrbanBoy never ventured outside of the SL threads. Could perhaps be GreenBro who was a Salt Lake poster who lived in Portland...he got banned months ago.

[Sawtooth]

Portland Dude isn't banned yet? Certain utah people actually take this person seriously and carry on communication with him???? Whats up?




Viperlord do you not read any of the posts in the mountain west????



:shrug:

[boisecynic]

Proxy was UrbanBoy, and UrbanBoy never ventured outside of the SL threads. Could perhaps be GreenBro who was a Salt Lake poster who lived in Portland...he got banned months ago.

Tony is correct. Our current troll used to go by the name Green Bro. Green Bro was banned. Notice the 2 word name?

See here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/search.php?searchid=695167

Sawtooth: The mods are on it and it's been passed on to an admin.

Note: SSP has an ignore feature, just add him to it. Click on User CP>left side bar bottom>ignore list. Faq here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/faq.php?faq=vb_user_maintain#faq_vb_buddy_explain

[Sawtooth]

Today is a beautiful day with the snow! I love taking photos in the snow, and was downtown for a while this morning and have a few pics I will post of construction progress at Concordia Law School.





http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/Idahomajesty/030-9.jpg






Roses are still in bloom at the Statehouse.


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[ianjt]

Anyone know what's going on the block of Front and Myrtle and 5th and 6th? I saw a building frame up when I drove by the other day.

Nice pics, Sawtooth.

[Sawtooth]

Anyone know what's going on the block of Front and Myrtle and 5th and 6th? I saw a building frame up when I drove by the other day.

Nice pics, Sawtooth.

Thanks ianjt.

That frame is for Concordia and I've got some pics I will post today.

[s.p.hansen]

Tony is correct. Our current troll used to go by the name Green Bro. Green Bro was banned. Notice the 2 word name?

See here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/search.php?searchid=695167

Sawtooth: The mods are on it and it's been passed on to an admin.

Note: SSP has an ignore feature, just add him to it. Click on User CP>left side bar bottom>ignore list. Faq here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/faq.php?faq=vb_user_maintain#faq_vb_buddy_explain

Man, sorry we (Utah folks) keep luring trolls into the Mountain West section of SSP.

[Sawtooth]

Concordia University Law School construction @ Fifth & Front, downtown.




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Future University of Idaho, Idaho Law Learning Center

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[Cottonwood]

Nice pics Sawtooth, good to see Concordia coming along.

[SLC Projects]

Lets see, you have a dozen posts which are pretty easy to look through.

Is Salt Lake so boring that you are hanging out on line?

never mind, this trash is not worth it. I bet there is a pack of hungry wolves near Boise looking for some meat. Pdude are you fattened up?

:previous:
I'll answer that. No. Not sure why he's been on here putting you guys down. By the way I disagree with him and I think Boise will get international service one day. People once said the same about Salt Lake. :haha: As for me I like to follow up with Boise development news. I'm cheering you guys on for the "Boise Place Tower" or whatever it's called.

[Sawtooth]

:previous:
I'll answer that. No. Not sure why he's been on here putting you guys down. By the way I disagree with him and I think Boise will get international service one day. People once said the same about Salt Lake. :haha: As for me I like to follow up with Boise development news. I'm cheering you guys on for the "Boise Place Tower" or whatever it's called.

Projects, to fully understand my post which you quoted and to see where I was coming from, you will need to read the post of his I quoted in addition to every remark he has left in this thread. You should not quote a comment and bold a sentence and take a statement of out context if you have not read the discussion which led up to it.

Of course I know it is not boring, read the entire discussion please.

[SLC Projects]

Projects, to fully understand my post which you quoted and to see where I was coming from, you will need to read the post of his I quoted in addition to every remark he has left in this thread. You should not quote a comment and bold a sentence and take a statement of out context if you have not read the discussion which led up to it.

Of course I know it is not boring, read the entire discussion please.

:previous:
HUH? I was agreeing with you.

[Portland Dude]

:previous:
HUH? I was agreeing with you.

SLC Projects, you might as well not even try to make friends or try to agree with these forumers from Boise, you are just wasting your time.

Funny thing about these forumers fom Boise, they think that Boise will be a MAJOR city in the west in about 20 years! I asked them what they meant by major, and they said that Boise could be the next Los Angeles of the west.........:koko: :koko: :koko: :koko: I started laughing out loud when I read that.

[Boisekid]

Wow I've been gone for a week (in SLC of all places) and come back to our beloved Boise board being inundated with this nutcase from Salt Lake or Portland or wherever. I love Salt Lake, got a nice downtown and that City Creek Center is pretty cool. Always love my trips there. Seems the economy there is moving along much better than Boise's. But still, Boise still has charms and character that Salt Lake just can't compete with. And Boise will continue to become a bigger player in the "Major Western City" scene as the years go by. I also see BOI going international in the next 30 years or so.

[Portland Dude]

Wow I've been gone for a week (in SLC of all places) and come back to our beloved Boise board being inundated with this nutcase from Salt Lake or Portland or wherever. I love Salt Lake, got a nice downtown and that City Creek Center is pretty cool. Always love my trips there. Seems the economy there is moving along much better than Boise's. But still, Boise still has charms and character that Salt Lake just can't compete with. And Boise will continue to become a bigger player in the "Major Western City" scene as the years go by. I also see BOI going international in the next 30 years or so.

What charms and character does Boise have that SLC cannot compete with? I really need to know what you mean by this....

[Boisekid]

What charms and character does Boise have that SLC cannot compete with? I really need to know what you mean by this....

You will need to come to downtown Boise to know what I'm talking about. I have family in SLC, went to Univ. of Utah and was in Downtown SLC all the time. I really like Salt Lake, but there are unique things that Boise has that Salt Lake can't provide. The two downtown's offer a TOTALLY different vibe. Not a bad thing, just different.

[Portland Dude]

You will need to come to downtown Boise to know what I'm talking about. I have family in SLC, went to Univ. of Utah and was in Downtown SLC all the time. I really like Salt Lake, but there are unique things that Boise has that Salt Lake can't provide. The two downtown's offer a TOTALLY different vibe. Not a bad thing, just different.

I've had the "wonderful" opportunity to be in downtown Boise, so continue on and elaborate on the differences...please...

[Boisekid]

I've had the "wonderful" opportunity to be in downtown Boise, so continue on and elaborate on the differences...please...


No need to elaborate, you're just wanting to argue. You obviously came with your preconceived notions about the place or you would have noticed something different. I find it sad that someone would belittle somebody else's city like you are to mine. Enjoy your time in Salt Lake/Portland and I'll enjoy mine in the City of Trees. Let's get back to discussing Boise development! :cheers:

[Portland Dude]

No need to elaborate, you're just wanting to argue. You obviously came with your preconceived notions about the place or you would have noticed something different. I find it sad that someone would belittle somebody else's city like you are to mine. Enjoy your time in Salt Lake/Portland and I'll enjoy mine in the City of Trees. Let's get back to discussing Boise development! :cheers:

There is nothing special about Boise, simple as that.

Have fun in, Tree City U.S.A (or whatever you Boise people call it)... I just call it Boringville U.S.A, or the city that you should never visit.

I'll be where the Greatest Snow on Earth is located.

[SLCdude]

:previous:

I happen to think Boise is a charming place! :tup:

[Evo5Boise]

LOL. Not wanting to feed the troll (I see he has been banned anyways), why on Earth would you ever take a vendetta against an actual city? I mean........really?

[SLC Projects]

they think that Boise will be a MAJOR city in the west in about 20 years! I asked them what they meant by major, and they said that Boise could be the next Los Angeles of the west..

I don't know about the next Los Angeles of the west but I think Boise has alot of potential. Who are we to say that Boise is too small to grow. I can see Boise growing up alot within the next 20 years.

[Crush_Buds]

Boise seems like it would be a pretty cool place to see IMHO. From the pics I've seen, Boise would fit very well into Colorado. And for all I know (which is nothing), the people may have similar attitudes as well. I can also dig that the city has a die hard following of a certian Orange and Blue team. Win or lose I hope :D. Lord knows all the haters come out when you lose and they are suddenly "someone else's team." Go both Broncos I say!

[Cottonwood]

Originally Posted by Portland Dude
they think that Boise will be a MAJOR city in the west in about 20 years! I asked them what they meant by major, and they said that Boise could be the next Los Angeles of the west..




I don't know about the next Los Angeles of the west but I think Boise has alot of potential. Who are we to say that Boise is too small to grow. I can see Boise growing up alot within the next 20 years.


Goodbye Portland Dude:banana: I just scanned back through the posts and have not seen a post from anyone saying Boise will be the next LA of the west:haha: No offense to LA, but why would we want to be like LA:shrug: Why would we want to be like Portland, or Salt Lake (no offense just proving a point). We will be BOISE, no other city but BOISE, no matter how large we grow. Boise is already a major player in the Mountain West and entire West in that regards. SLC Projects, yes, Boise will continue to grow alot the next 20 years. Boise is not too small to grow, that comment kind of confuses me but no biggie, just so you know Boise has grown considerably the past decade as SLC has, Boise has been one of the fastest growing areas in the nation for quite some time and Boise will "grow up" as will SLC. One major plus of Boise is that it is a mid sized city, not too big, not too small, and offers what a lot of larger cities offer as far as ameneties, cultural activites, etc, without the Big City problems. Boise is kind of like paradise. There is a sense of community, and civic pride in Boise that would be hard to find in other cities.

[Cottonwood]

http://www.ktvb.com/news/Bogus-Basin-to-open-on-Thanksgiving-110172259.html
Bogus Basin to open on Thanksgiving KTVB.COM
Posted on November 23, 2010 at 11:14 AM

BOISE -- Local skiers have reason to give thanks this holiday season.

Bogus Basin officials announced today that the ski resort near Boise will open on Thanksgiving Day.


http://www.bogusbasin.org/

[boi2socal]

There is a sense of community, and civic pride in Boise that would be hard to find in other cities.

It is exhausting trying to tell people who haven't visited about Boise. Potato jokes are endless, assumptions we're all racist and Nazis, they think you grew up on a farm, etc. The funny thing here in CA is that no one else is from California and I often find out those being obnoxious are from a city the size of Boise, often much smaller.

This is why when I had the luxury of flying for free I actually took people there. It isn't the place for me now but it is a great place. For the most part is nothing what they expected, I.E. when we landed in Boise a friend, looking at the other aircraft, "they let 737s land here?"

[Cottonwood]

:previous: The ignorance of non -educated people can get annoying, meaning people you were referring to as well as people I have come across in the past. This topic always reminds me of the "Best Kept Secret" image Boise and Idaho has: some people who know nothing about the state rely on America's sensationalistic news and media to form an opinion, thus the comments you and I have both heard and other people know and realize the "Best Kept Secret" topic and are aware that Idaho is one of the most beautiful states with a population of natives and people from all around the world, cultures from all around the world, and that Boise is a city too cool to be ruined by ignorance. I forget which previous governor of the state it was that said there are more skinheads in downtown Portland on Pioneer Square or in downtown Seattle than the entire state of Idaho, which is true, to be honest I have never seen a skin head or neo-nazi type anywhere in the state because most of those people were from out of state anyways, places like California..this just shows how horrible the nations media is because they paint a picture of a place and gullible Americans eat it up, when in fact the large cities they live in are full of a lot more racism than smaller populated areas like Idaho, Utah, Montana, Wyoming.

[Cottonwood]

:koko: A stupid idea....

http://idahobusinessreview.com/2010/11/23/downtowners-pan-proposal-to-tear-down-qwest-arena/
Downtowners pan proposal to tear down Qwest Arena
by Simon Shifrin
Published: November 23,2010
Time posted: 1:31 pm
Tags: City of Boise, Greater Boise Auditorium District, Qwest Arena

Downtown real estate broker Bryant Forrester thinks it’s “the craziest idea I’ve heard.”

The executive director of Boise’s urban renewal agency, Phil Kushlan, said “it sounds like it’s a stretch.”

Bill Ilett, managing investor of the Idaho Stampede, said it’s an “asinine” idea that “makes absolutely no sense.”

[boisecynic]

Regarding Cottonwood's link to the IBR article; Simon Shifrin, please get your story correct. Voters did not reject a new convention center. This is infuriating out-of-context propaganda which is often repeated. The bond elections did fail to meet the absurd 2/3rds supermajority. IIRC, the convention center bond got a 54% to 56% affirmative vote. We've sent Presidents to the White House with less margin than that.

Okay. While we're on the subject of urban renewal agencies...boiseguardian.com has posted caldwell guardian's critique of URDs.

I rebutted. I'm preaching to the choir here, but let me know the flaws in my argument. Here's my post over there:
__________________________________________________________________________________________
Caldwell Guardian, how did you arrive at these numbers?

I’m not arguing that URDs should not have more or better or revamped oversight, but…

URDs are not necessarily a bad thing. I know nothing of the ones in Canyon County. So let’s discuss the proposed west downtown Boise one.

I’ve said it before and I’m saying it again. The government, i.e., you, you personally are at least partly responsible for the economic downturn and degradation of Boise’s Fairview/Main corridor. Construction of the Broadway/Chinden connector in the early 90s has benefitted thousands but sadly to the detriment of west downtown.

Where there used to be car lots, not that I’m a big fan, and other viable businesses, now there are vacant lots. The connector took the traffic away from Fairview/Main and killed the businesses.

Meanwhile, suburban growth has taken nearly all the tax revenue generated in the north end and west downtown. Look at all the suburban roads that have been widened in the last 15 years. Look at the 2 ParkCenter bridges. Look at the new West Boise City Hall. All the new schools for years have been built in the suburbs.

All this, and yet, the greater north end area pays more taxes per acre than any similar sized area in the whole county.

How can you argue that this is fair?

When will money be spent to improve the Fairview/Main streetscape? Compare Fairview/Main to the new Linder overpass, 5 lanes of Overland all the way out to Ten Mile and the East Parkcenter Bridge.

I’m waiting for reasonable answers.
___________________________________________________________________________________________

[boisecynic]

I got to thinking.:D Isn't Block 22 a Simplot related investment company? Could the proposal to sell and tear down Qwest Arena be a posturing ploy aimed at City Hall for tampering with the JUMP project?

I loves me a good conspiracy theory.

[Evo5Boise]

:koko: A stupid idea....

http://idahobusinessreview.com/2010/11/23/downtowners-pan-proposal-to-tear-down-qwest-arena/
Downtowners pan proposal to tear down Qwest Arena
by Simon Shifrin
Published: November 23,2010
Time posted: 1:31 pm
Tags: City of Boise, Greater Boise Auditorium District, Qwest Arena

Downtown real estate broker Bryant Forrester thinks it’s “the craziest idea I’ve heard.”

The executive director of Boise’s urban renewal agency, Phil Kushlan, said “it sounds like it’s a stretch.”

Bill Ilett, managing investor of the Idaho Stampede, said it’s an “asinine” idea that “makes absolutely no sense.”

I saw this the other day at work. WTF is that about? It is indeed an idiot idea in my opinion.

[Visualize]

Regarding Cottonwood's link to the IBR article; Simon Shifrin, please get your story correct. Voters did not reject a new convention center. This is infuriating out-of-context propaganda which is often repeated. The bond elections did fail to meet the absurd 2/3rds supermajority. IIRC, the convention center bond got a 54% to 56% affirmative vote. We've sent Presidents to the White House with less margin than that.

Okay. While we're on the subject of urban renewal agencies...boiseguardian.com has posted caldwell guardian's critique of URDs.

I rebutted. I'm preaching to the choir here, but let me know the flaws in my argument. Here's my post over there:
__________________________________________________________________________________________
Caldwell Guardian, how did you arrive at these numbers?

I’m not arguing that URDs should not have more or better or revamped oversight, but…

URDs are not necessarily a bad thing. I know nothing of the ones in Canyon County. So let’s discuss the proposed west downtown Boise one.

I’ve said it before and I’m saying it again. The government, i.e., you, you personally are at least partly responsible for the economic downturn and degradation of Boise’s Fairview/Main corridor. Construction of the Broadway/Chinden connector in the early 90s has benefitted thousands but sadly to the detriment of west downtown.

Where there used to be car lots, not that I’m a big fan, and other viable businesses, now there are vacant lots. The connector took the traffic away from Fairview/Main and killed the businesses.

Meanwhile, suburban growth has taken nearly all the tax revenue generated in the north end and west downtown. Look at all the suburban roads that have been widened in the last 15 years. Look at the 2 ParkCenter bridges. Look at the new West Boise City Hall. All the new schools for years have been built in the suburbs.

All this, and yet, the greater north end area pays more taxes per acre than any similar sized area in the whole county.

How can you argue that this is fair?

When will money be spent to improve the Fairview/Main streetscape? Compare Fairview/Main to the new Linder overpass, 5 lanes of Overland all the way out to Ten Mile and the East Parkcenter Bridge.

I’m waiting for reasonable answers.
___________________________________________________________________________________________


I think you are pretty much right on. Investment needs to be made in the core to keep the city from dieing from the inside out. The numbers in the BoiseGuardian article do not take into account that sprawl is largely subsidized. The numbers are only looking at the taxes associated with a redevelopment agency, but not the other side of an insanely expensive coin, ie. how much are each of those homes receiving in subsidies. In a local perspective I think a reason there was so much investment by Boise out towards Meridian was due to the fiscalization of land use. If Boise didn't build the infrastructure needed to support the car lots, Walmarts, and big box stores on Fairview and Overland, they risked losing all that tax revenue to Meridian, who would surely have jumped at the chance. Without Meridian, and thus the competition for tax revenue, the whole game could have been different, development patters could have changed. It was to Boise's advantage to build all the retail on the edge of Meridian and then have their residents support it.

In the case of 27th and Main I think it has been shown that it cannot support business to the extent some would like to see. It wouldn't have taken much, but it was somewhat in the best interest of the city at the time to pursue the tax revenue at the periphery rather than the core. Now that all the development on the edge of the city has been continuously subsidized, I think it makes sense to reinvest in the core that allowed that development to exist in the first place.

[boisecynic]

... If Boise didn't build the infrastructure...Meridian...would have...

Good point Visualize. I'd forgotten that aspect. It's certainly true cities compete against each other.

There are other factors which I've covered in the past. Building codes, especially parking and storm water mitigation, have made it nearly impossible to monetize small downtown lots.

The downtown core has a special zoning that limits or outright does away with parking requirements. Another thing that Fairview/Main is hamstrung by. That's one of my gripes about the guardian types, they claim the free market should work. That's great but varying building and zoning codes are the monkey wrench in the free market of real estate development.

[Visualize]

That's one of my gripes about the guardian types, they claim the free market should work. That's great but varying building and zoning codes are the monkey wrench in the free market of real estate development.

Since there is limited traffic, which obviously isn't creating much commercial demand, it seems like residential and office mixed in with small retail is the best bet. So someone tried to do just that with the proposal for residential where the hotel along the river is, and the city shot it down due to height. :shrug: There could have been more to it than that, or other problems that I'm not aware of though. There are still an abundance of desirable lots catering to the same thing that offer more amenities closer to the core, which is probably the biggest problem, and will be until a catalyst to development appears. I don't know if a redevelopment district is that catalyst, but it couldn't hurt.

[boi2socal]

So someone tried to do just that with the proposal for residential where the hotel along the river is, and the city shot it down due to height. :shrug:

I get buffer zones on the river but I don't get height restrictions. I think tall buildings at reasonable distance from the shore would be quite appealing. Just my thoughts. I suppose they're trying to preserve the "natural" tree line?

[Visualize]

^^^Exactly, it makes no sense, but the tree line would be my guess too. I personally love the building across from BSU on Broadway that is significantly taller than the trees, and probably only about twenty feet from the greenbelt. The river runs length wise through the entire valley. I think the city should capitalize on the uniqueness of having a natural looking river pass through downtown by having them sharply contrast each other, not weakly meet half way.

[Boisekid]

Well guys...nice season. I'm so depressed I can't function

[ianjt]

Well guys...nice season. I'm so depressed I can't function

What's worse is that every single hater is crawling out of the woodwork. Oh well. Nevada is a good team, and our guys underestimated the Wolf Pack (with a little help from the refs :P ). Can't wait to get into MWC play next year.

Also, Utah State and a bowl game!

[CaliforniaKid]

Well guys...nice season. I'm so depressed I can't function

Hey no worries.. BSU is still a KICK ASS team. It took Nevada YEARS to pull that off. Don't let a very RARE loss get you down.

BSU WILL return!!! :cheers:

[City Of Trees]

I've been gone for a long time, so apologies that I'm catching up on some really old posts.

I think I'm really going to like that Henry's buildout more than I thought I would. Very curious to have the store facing Bannock St. instead of Idaho St--though it looks like they're aiming for a more urban friendly frontage on the Idaho side, which could end up being real awesome.

Good that they put curb cuts on both 15th and 16th, as the majority of the traffic will go down those streets to get there. Still, I'm curious whether or not the development will someday mandate signals at 15th/Bannock and 16th/Bannock.

On another note, I'd just like to say a big fat NO to converting more one way streets to two way streets. It'll just make downtown's traffic become even more of a clogged mess.

EDIT: Oh, and I can't wait for that Pleasanton Bridge to be completed. That'll be a huge upgrade to the Greenbelt and bike system.

[Cottonwood]

We love you Albertsons!



http://www.ktvb.com/news/Albertson-Foundation-makes-big-donation-to-Boise-River-park-111054929.html
Albertson Foundation makes big donation to Boise River park by Associated Press
KTVB.COM
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 11:00 AM

BOISE -- The J. A. & Kathryn Albertson Foundation plans to donate up to $1.4 million to help build a new recreation park along the Boise River.

.........

"This gift is another example of the Albertson Foundation's strong commitment to Idaho and its future," Boise Mayor Dave Bieter said.

[boisecynic]

We love you Albertsons!



http://www.ktvb.com/news/Albertson-Foundation-makes-big-donation-to-Boise-River-park-111054929.html
Albertson Foundation makes big donation to Boise River park by Associated Press
KTVB.COM
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 11:00 AM

BOISE -- The J. A. & Kathryn Albertson Foundation plans to donate up to $1.4 million to help build a new recreation park along the Boise River.




This is damn good news. Sadly, it seems no one cares. Only 10 comments on the Statesman's article? I gotta wonder about the timing. With it being winter it's hard to hype up a white water park. They should have waited until spring and the grand opening of the new footbridge--- with a big PR event.

However, I think that they need to get the funds in place by early spring. The parts they need to order and the contracts which need to be let out to bid, must be done by relatively early in the year in order to perform the work by next winter. Otherwise they'll have to wait another year.

I swear to you all. The white water park will be a huge hit. When they start holding competitions and thousands turn out, people will be shocked.

ACHD is currently designing the new 30th Street Extension. They are supposed to have public meetings (again) soon. I propose they allow parking in the right lanes on weekends, this will be important when they start having white water competitions.

http://i.imgur.com/STqGe.jpg

[NYC Rick]

I don't know about the next Los Angeles of the west but I think Boise has alot of potential. Who are we to say that Boise is too small to grow. I can see Boise growing up alot within the next 20 years.

Boise has made amazing strides. A beautiful small city with some clout.

They will grow but they do not have the infrastructure to support becoming a major city. Also, look around. Cities take a lot of time to separate and grow.

The city is excellent, now you had better generate an incredible reason to make people want to move there and to want to have the ability to live there and provide for their family.

Boise is too small. No US city is going to grow like Phoenix again. Then again, Phoenix is a very unattractive area to live and melt in.

[Sawtooth]

This is damn good news. Sadly, it seems no one cares. Only 10 comments on the Statesman's article? I gotta wonder about the timing. With it being winter it's hard to hype up a white water park. They should have waited until spring and the grand opening of the new footbridge--- with a big PR event.

However, I think that they need to get the funds in place by early spring. The parts they need to order and the contracts which need to be let out to bid, must be done by relatively early in the year in order to perform the work by next winter. Otherwise they'll have to wait another year.

I swear to you all. The white water park will be a huge hit. When they start holding competitions and thousands turn out, people will be shocked.

ACHD is currently designing the new 30th Street Extension. They are supposed to have public meetings (again) soon. I propose they allow parking in the right lanes on weekends, this will be important when they start having white water competitions.

http://i.imgur.com/STqGe.jpg


I am really looking forward to this park, and many people are excited for it, but I feel as you that it is not creating a huge buzz right now because of winter and the holidays.

There are not many cities that have a river like Boise does, so we are fortunate to be able to get a whitewater park like this. Add this to the world class whitewater rivers at Boise's doorstep and we in H2O heaven.




Boise has made amazing strides. A beautiful small city with some clout.

They will grow but they do not have the infrastructure to support becoming a major city. Also, look around. Cities take a lot of time to separate and grow.

The city is excellent, now you had better generate an incredible reason to make people want to move there and to want to have the ability to live there and provide for their family.

Boise is too small. No US city is going to grow like Phoenix again. Then again, Phoenix is a very unattractive area to live and melt in.


More infrastructure will come with growth and actually there has been a lot of infrastructure upgrades the past decade and currently with the expansion of I-84.

You make a good point about a city giving people a reason to want to move there and provide and Boise has done that incredibly well, people want to move here, people find Boise to be one of the best kept secrets, Boise has been attracting people from out of state for years and has had a really fast and high growth rate, one of the fastest growing metros in the states. Boise is packing a pretty sizeable package for being a smaller city and I hope we never get as large as some other cities metros in the region because too many people in a given geographic area with mountains can really create a mark on the quality of life.

[CaliforniaKid]

Or like me... Who want to move back there.. :tup:

[boi2socal]

Boise is too small. No US city is going to grow like Phoenix again. Then again, Phoenix is a very unattractive area to live and melt in.

I pointed this out in an earlier post. The explosive growth that Las Vegas, Phoenix, and a lesser extent Boise saw in the last decade will probably never happen again. Short of natural disasters or wars causing mass migration. lol.

Boise needs job growth for future population growth. Currently, Boise is appealing mostly to retirees. Please don't blast me as this is my OWN experience; the "smart" kids that grew up in Boise end up leaving due to a lack of jobs in their trained field or the pay isn't up to par. I took AP (Advanced Placement) classes in Boise so I know the top tier students. I know five people here in LA from my graduating class and several others from Eagle High in LA. Other friends are now in Portland and Seattle. It is an unfortunate brain drain. BSU is gaining ground but we can all agree the State of Idaho isn't exactly a leader in higher education.

[Boisekid]

Eagle High huh? Stay in california

Sincerely,

Former Centennial Patriot :jester:

[boi2socal]

Eagle High huh? Stay in california

Sincerely,

Former Centennial Patriot :jester:

I went to Capital myself. :rolleyes:

[Sawtooth]

:previous: I think it all depends on whom you know.


I know a lot of young professionals who have moved to Boise and add to the rather impressive creative class here. Sure, retirees love Boise for its climate and laid back lifestyle, but so do alot more people who are in their 20's to 40's. But I understand where you are coming from. I think people like to move away from where they grew up and experience something new and different, thus leaving the local opportunities to people who want to move here from elsewhere. I also agree that the state isn't a leader in education & funding but several neighboring states are not either. Maybe the next session of state government will look for an answer to that.

[Saturnfromboise]

As did I.. Class of 2003 go Capital!!! haha

[Boiseguy]

I moved to boise in 2004 from seattle.... I'm in my 30's

I work with and know tons of people from portland and seattle area's that now live here in boise

perceptions are the key here...
I actually think that boise's growth will be fueled by coastal cities... The coasts will always attract the small town kids out of high school looking to find their place in the world while getting a formal college education in the process...
Boise is the kind of place people move to when they have found themselves and know what they want and come here to make it happen. Regardless of boise's shortfalls, it is a hell of a good place to do business and raise a family.
With this growth, businesses will grow here and in turn infrastructure and educational opportunities will follow.. it's already happening and quite fast really.
I don't take anyone's opinion on boise too seriously if they haven't spent any real time here to know what they're talking about..
It's funny to hear comments by people who have MAYBE driven through boise once or twice and make it out to be like they know enough to cast a valuable opinion.
Our state government needs to focus on promoting the small ventures taking shape here to become the next big industries, rather than trying to attract outside big companies to come set up shop. That will be the key to boise's success.. :tup:

[Sawtooth]

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[el conquistador]

More infrastructure will come with growth and actually there has been a lot of infrastructure upgrades the past decade and currently with the expansion of I-84.

You make a good point about a city giving people a reason to want to move there and provide and Boise has done that incredibly well, people want to move here, people find Boise to be one of the best kept secrets, Boise has been attracting people from out of state for years and has had a really fast and high growth rate, one of the fastest growing metros in the states. Boise is packing a pretty sizeable package for being a smaller city and I hope we never get as large as some other cities metros in the region because too many people in a given geographic area with mountains can really create a mark on the quality of life.


One of the big infrastructure shortfalls that has taken Boise off the short list for several large businesses is power supply, but that will change quite a bit in the next few years with a generation plant being built in the west end of the valley and large-scale transmission being brought in. Hopefully we can land a few more 'big hitters', so to speak, after that.

One of the things Mrs.Conquistador and I were grousing about a bit yesterday was the feeling that the area has somewhat stagnated as far as job growth (professional, high paying job growth) goes since we moved here in 98, despite population growth. A lot of the blame for that goes to State leadership, they keep their thumb on Boise since the city doesn't toe the 'party line' :rolleyes: , and they lack any creativity in attracting new business beyond service and retail. Hopefully, too, they will start to realize that cutting education funding does more long-term damage than just about anything, but I don't have faith in that since the hillbilly is back in the gub'ner's seat. Sorry, end rant.

[Boiseguy]

One of the big infrastructure shortfalls that has taken Boise off the short list for several large businesses is power supply, but that will change quite a bit in the next few years with a generation plant being built in the west end of the valley and large-scale transmission being brought in. Hopefully we can land a few more 'big hitters', so to speak, after that.

One of the things Mrs.Conquistador and I were grousing about a bit yesterday was the feeling that the area has somewhat stagnated as far as job growth (professional, high paying job growth) goes since we moved here in 98, despite population growth. A lot of the blame for that goes to State leadership, they keep their thumb on Boise since the city doesn't toe the 'party line' :rolleyes: , and they lack any creativity in attracting new business beyond service and retail. Hopefully, too, they will start to realize that cutting education funding does more long-term damage than just about anything, but I don't have faith in that since the hillbilly is back in the gub'ner's seat. Sorry, end rant.

excellent rant!
cheers

[Evo5Boise]

I also went to Centennial High School! LOL

Anyways, I know quite a few people that have moved from SLC, Portland, and Seattle. What is funny is the majority of the SLC people I've met keep bringing up the opinion of "Boise is so friendly!". Now, I'm not trying to talk down to SLC residents, just stating my experience.

On the flip side, I've know a few people that have bailed Boise for Portland or Seattle. So, it can be matched both ways.

[Visualize]

To either end the discussion of where people are moving to and from...or maybe to feed fuel to the fire.... :D Here is an extremely interesting interactive map showing the migration numbers from 2008. More people are moving to Boise (Ada County) from Southern California, San Francisco Bay Area, Phoenix, Las Vegas, and Seattle than leave to these areas. More people move to the Portland area, Salt Lake City, Denver and Minneapolis than come to Boise from these areas. I think Minneapolis is due mostly to the Albertsons buy-out though.

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m48/visualeyez1983/migration.png

Interestingly, Canyon County sees more people move to the area from Portland than leave, opposite of the trend for neighboring Ada County. I also think something might be up with the migration from Boise to Salt Lake, and possibly not typical of other years, as the per capita income in those moving is exceptionally large. Any ideas?

http://www.forbes.com/2010/06/04/migration-moving-wealthy-interactive-counties-map.html?preload=11001

[boi2socal]

I saw this map awhile ago. This basically proves what el conquistador was talking about. What I find interesting, particularly from SoCal is that the incomes moving into Ada County are incredibly low (for SoCal). And in some larger city pairs I noticed people moving to Boise actually made less than those leaving (i.e. Orange County, Las Vegas, Salt Lake, Multnomah & Clark, WA). Then if you adjusted to cost of living there would be even more on that list. I can guarantee you someone leaving SoCal making under 30K a year is in the service industry.

I'm not looking to trash Boise but it could be a much better place if some of the government could get their heads out of their bums.

[el conquistador]

Also consider that most moving to the DC area are Micron R&D folks that got transferred to the Manassas, VA plant.....:(

[Visualize]

What I find interesting, particularly from SoCal is that the incomes moving into Ada County are incredibly low (for SoCal). And in some larger city pairs I noticed people moving to Boise actually made less than those leaving (i.e. Orange County, Las Vegas, Salt Lake, Multnomah & Clark, WA). Then if you adjusted to cost of living there would be even more on that list. I can guarantee you someone leaving SoCal making under 30K a year is in the service industry.

The income is per capita, so if a family moves with a couple kids it could be twice that amount or more. The per capita income for people moving from LA to Boise is $13,500 greater than those moving from LA to Phoenix. Per capita income is only $6,400 less for LA residents moving to Boise than it is to Silicon Valley. To assume these are service workers is a huge stretch, and probably wrong.

[boi2socal]

The income is per capita, so if a family moves with a couple kids it could be twice that amount or more. The per capita income for people moving from LA to Boise is $13,500 greater than those moving from LA to Phoenix. Per capita income is only $6,400 less for LA residents moving to Boise than it is to Silicon Valley. To assume these are service workers is a huge stretch, and probably wrong.

Guess I'm wrong? I guess all the out of staters are taking the best jobs in Boise. Still bad news.

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Guess I'm wrong? I guess all the out of staters are taking the best jobs in Boise. Still bad news.

At least it shows there is demand for high quality jobs, as opposed to your other scenario.