Boise Development Thread [Archive] - Page 68

BoiseAirport

Feb 10, 2012, 10:52 PM

Great finds Cottonwood and GrandTeton! Here's another view of the Brix: http://s3images.coroflot.com/user_files/individual_files/original_130544_mAC4bp5JWFOeqccK3VkswYeB2.jpg

This proposal is pretty interesting, considering how east it is from downtown:

DRH12-00038 – 5B Sawtooth Peaks, LLC / Chris Stevens
Location: 501 East Parkcenter Boulevard
Design Review for eight, two and three story apartment buildings with amenities and site improvements on property located in an L-OD (Limited Office with Design Review), R-1C (Single Family Residential) and R-1B (Single Family Residential) zones.

Sounds like it'd be really great for that area though. :)

Hawk

Feb 14, 2012, 1:19 AM

thanks for the map BA too much detail in that map though xD lol so i was like holy shit um.. where's the airport then i was like damn it it's right there!

alphawolf

Feb 14, 2012, 3:55 AM

Cottonwood

Feb 14, 2012, 4:55 PM

This is exciting news. And we are also hosting Ironman 70.3 again in June. http://ironmanboise.com/

http://www.exergytour.com/

Exergy Tour returns elite women's cycling to Idaho
By: Cycling NewsPublished: February 14, 00:22, Updated: February 14, 00:22Edition:First Edition Cycling News, Tuesday, February 14, 2012Race:The Exergy Tour

Inaugural five-day stage race kicks off this May

Top-level women's racing returns to Idaho with the announcement that the The Exergy Tour international ladies pro cycling event will take place from May 24-28, 2012. The race will be one of the last to provide international ranking points crucial to qualifying for the London Olympic Games. It is sanctioned by USA Cycling and is the only ladies race in North America in 2012 with a 2.1 ranking by the International Cycling Union (UCI).

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2012/02/14/1993341/setting-the-stages.html
Women’s cycling race to tour five Idaho cities; Kristin Armstrong slated to compete
By BY JOHN MILLER — THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

World-class women cyclists are headed to Idaho for a five-day stage race that could help determine competitors in the 2012 London Olympics — a decade after a previous tour for elite female riders in the state died for lack of money.

The Exergy Tour on Monday announced its May 24-28 Memorial Day weekend schedule:
A short prologue in Boise, a stage in Nampa on the undulating plain above the Snake River, an individual time trial in Kuna, a 60-mile ride over a 6,100-foot mountain pass between Crouch/Garden Valley and Idaho City and a circuit race featuring high-speed laps in Boise on Memorial Day.

Boisebro

Feb 14, 2012, 8:29 PM

Some old renderings of both the Brix and Steve Hosac proposals from long ago.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f171/alphawolf256/Rivers-1.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f171/alphawolf256/Hosac-1.jpg

Sources from the Idaho Statesman.

of those two, i liked the River 8 because of the height and density it provided that woulds stretch the skyline southward.

however, i liked the other proposal because it wasn't just another box. boise needs to have more curvy architecture to get away from the big brown boxes.

i've heard the River 8 project is still being pursued, but i haven't seen any new renderings. that area definitely needs some new development, and residential makes perfect sense with its close proximity to bodo, the greenbelt, boise state and downtown.

Hawk

Feb 14, 2012, 11:40 PM

of those two, i liked the River 8 because of the height and density it provided that woulds stretch the skyline southward.

however, i liked the other proposal because it wasn't just another box. boise needs to have more curvy architecture to get away from the big brown boxes.

i've heard the River 8 project is still being pursued, but i haven't seen any new renderings. that area definitely needs some new development, and residential makes perfect sense with its close proximity to bodo, the greenbelt, boise state and downtown.

exactly what i was thinking... and that's why i'm glad Jump is being built because it's out of the norm.

BoiseAirport

Feb 15, 2012, 1:11 AM

i've heard the River 8 project is still being pursued, but i haven't seen any new renderings. that area definitely needs some new development, and residential makes perfect sense with its close proximity to bodo, the greenbelt, boise state and downtown.

I think this is the most current rendering of the River 8 project that you mention, recently posted in an Idaho Statesman article a few months back.

http://media.idahostatesman.com/smedia/2011/04/25/23/0426_Local_River_Condos.standalone.prod_affiliate.36.JPG

alphawolf

Feb 16, 2012, 3:16 AM

Years overdue.

Boise’s urban renewal agency OKs upgrades to streets, parking garages

By Sandra Forester — sforester@idahostatesman.com

Posted: 9:00am on Feb 15, 2012

Boise residents should see additional streetscape upgrades on 9th, 14th and Idaho streets this year, as well as repairs and improvements to Downtown parking garages.

The Capital City Development Corp. has moved about $1.8 million from other accounts to speed up or expand the improvements. Some of the money will be used to repair deteriorated concrete at the CCDC's garages on Myrtle and Grove streets, to waterproof the Myrtle garage and the Boulevard Garages at 245 S. Capitol Blvd., to fix fire sprinklers at the City Centre’s garage at 312 S. 9th St., and to install child safety screens at Capitol Terrace garage at 770 W. Main St.

Sandra Forester: 377-6448

Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2012/02/15/1994248/boises-urban-renewal-agency-oks.html#storylink=cpy

isangpogi

Feb 16, 2012, 4:12 AM

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2012/02/14/1994426/air-force-wants-public-to-weigh.html

The Air Force wants to base an F-35 training center in Boise at Gowen Field and Mountain Home. I know this would bring some good jobs and a good boost to the economy, but I'm hesitant because of the noise this would bring to our city. I've been in the bench area for work when F-15s were taking off (they were temporarily stationed there from Oregon I believe), and I was on the phone at the time. I had to call the person back after a couple minutes because the sound was too loud to carry on a conversation, and this was at least a mile or two from the airport. Recently, jets from Mountain Home have been running training exercises over the valley and even though they are distant specks in the sky, the sound they produce is easily audible in my well-insulated apartment. I worry that the quality of life here would take a huge hit with these loud jets frequently flying over us.

I know we love to hate NIMBY's, but it's the "backyard" of much of Ada County that could be affected by this decision. Any thoughts?

Saturnfromboise

Feb 16, 2012, 4:26 AM

Hasn't this already been tried and we didnt get picked?? Or was that for the new F-22 raptor?

Hawk

Feb 16, 2012, 7:10 AM

Hasn't this already been tried and we didnt get picked?? Or was that for the new F-22 raptor?

I believe you are correct about the F-22 Raptors. i'm pretty sure knowing Cottonwood, he'll put up a link to the Idaho Statesman about it.

About the noise factor: I'm fine with it considering the fact that I love anything that flies. Heck, I walk outside just to view the commercial jets that fly over. It didn't bother me all day today and they were circling above my home in the North End. They were noticeable, but I had tune out around lunch time. But it is understandable that you wouldn't want something like this coming to Boise. Especially if you live out near the Airport.
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I'm pleased to hear that they're repairing the parking garages downtown. it'd cost a bit more but it'd be kind of nice if they'd paint the garages something other then white ( Not Brown). Plus, to me adding child safety wire on the Capital tarracekind of hints that they're getting closer to adding those appartments or condos ontop of it like it was planned a while back.

Cottonwood

Feb 16, 2012, 3:32 PM

:previous: ;) All I know about the F-35's is that they will probably not be a good fit for Boise. I will post a link to a news story I saw last night because Dan Hawkins was blabbering away and being a NIMBY, maybe the neighbors think he has some clout to further their cause? If so, they need to reconsider. His statement is....well...(stupid). KTVB actually gave him some air time over this issue?? Mark Johnson seemed to be as excited as a little girl because Dan Hawkins spoke lol. That empty lot is an eyesore and needs to be developed and with dense development.

http://www.ktvb.com/news/Housing-plan-for-vacant-Boise-land-neighbors-oppose-139416748.html
Neighbors oppose housing plan for vacant land in Boise

One of the most outspoken among the opposition is former Boise State Coach Dan Hawkins. He and others say this caught them by surprise.

“To me the whole thing, how it was handled how it’s going down. You look at the stipulations and you’re going its just wrong, and you know I have been one of those guys; I want to make a difference and do what’s right and help people's lives get better and I am going this is just fundamentally wrong,” said Hawkins.

Visualize

Feb 16, 2012, 3:53 PM

http://www.ktvb.com/news/Housing-plan-for-vacant-Boise-land-neighbors-oppose-139416748.html
Neighbors oppose housing plan for vacant land in Boise

One of the most outspoken among the opposition is former Boise State Coach Dan Hawkins. He and others say this caught them by surprise.

“To me the whole thing, how it was handled how it’s going down. You look at the stipulations and you’re going its just wrong, and you know I have been one of those guys; I want to make a difference and do what’s right and help people's lives get better and I am going this is just fundamentally wrong,” said Hawkins.

Ahhhh..the once beautiful and notorious wild grove of cottonwoods that was cleared for a weed patch and surrounded by chainlink fence, pending future development. I lived right across the street when that all went down. I can't tell you how many confused and injured deer I saw after that because they lost habitat or would get snagged on the nearly invisible fence. Yes Dan, now that all the lands natural value has been lost, lets try and save it from a development that will help keep the nearly empty Parkcenter Mall filled, and restaurants open. Parkcenter is one of the only 7 lane streets in the entire city, and it is along the greenbelt and a city identified future light rail option. If anything, they should double the density proposed. I performed a pretty in-depth analysis regarding the property value impacts of up-zoned residential development on single-family homes in and around downtown Boise. I found differing results based on location, but nothing severe. I think in a nice area such as Parkcenter, the property values would actually increase, similar to what I found for homes in the North End around the Hyde Park development on Fort St. and 12th. Vacant and underdeveloped land is overvalued.

Boisebro

Feb 16, 2012, 4:21 PM

i love dan, but he's wrong about this.

i looked at the project details and the renderings, and they're precisely what that lot needs. and the designs are tastefully done.

i know dan wasn't in town when the previous proposal was approved, just prior to when the trees were razed, but it was identical in scale and density to the new proposal. these projects have been going through the process the right way, and it's taken a long time... it's not like they just came up with this yesterday and are digging holes.

that area next to parkcenter SHOULD be used for high-density housing. there already are three-story apartment complexes right behind that lot, and directly across the street are more three-floor apartments.

not sure what dan thinks should be on that lot, but there are already wildlife habitats nearby with the parkcenter pond and the boise river.

boisecynic

Feb 17, 2012, 1:39 PM

Ahh, the project formerly known as Bella Borgo. Discussion of that project began in this thread in Feb 2007, see: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=92318&page=55

I know I took some pictures of the billboard but I can't find them. Anyway, searching, hang on...

BTW, those trees they removed, everyone hates to see a grove of trees bulldozed but, iirc, those were Aspens not Cottonwoods and they were infected with that fungus or whatever it is they get around here. Aspens are not a good tree to plant in Boise, too hot and that pesky fungus gets 'em every time.

On 2-8-07 Boisebro quoted Lora Volkert:

140 condos, townhouses planned by Boise’s ParkCenter Mall

POSTED: 08:05 MST Thursday, February 8, 2007
by Lora Volkert

Bella Borgo, an Italian village-themed gated community planned on ParkCenter Boulevard south of ParkCenter Mall, is up for Design Review approval later this month.
Roth Townhomes plans to build 33 buildings with a total of 136 condos and six townhouses. The development would also contain a community center with a pool, gym and entertainment room. Bella Borgo is designed with stone and masonry walls; stained timbers, columns, beams and trellises; and old-world ornamental wrought iron.
The Boise City Design Review Committee approved the project in November with conditions. The committee is holding a work session with the developers Feb. 14 to determine whether they have met the conditions.

alphawolf

Feb 17, 2012, 4:12 PM

Since there has been budget cuts with the program initial production numbers will be low. A handfull of squadrons will come into play at first with no guarantee of one being stationed at Gowen Field.

http://idahof35.com/news-events/coverage/

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20120213/DEFREG02/302130008/U-S-Air-Force-Trims-Procurement-R-D-2013-Budget

Defense News
Feb. 13, 2012 - 02:40PM
By DAVE MAJUMDAR

"The Air Force is only buying 54 aircraft in this new budget, with fifth generation fighter taking priority.

The service is buying 19 F-35A Joint Strike Fighters, slowing down its earlier plans to ramp up production to 24.

About 98 jets were moved outside the Air Force’s five-year defense plan.

The Air Force is still going to buy 1,763 of the fighters."

Visualize

Feb 17, 2012, 10:07 PM

Ahh, the project formerly known as Bella Borgo. Discussion of that project began in this thread in Feb 2007, see: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=92318&page=55

I know I took some pictures of the billboard but I can't find them. Anyway, searching, hang on...

BTW, those trees they removed, everyone hates to see a grove of trees bulldozed but, iirc, those were Aspens not Cottonwoods and they were infected with that fungus or whatever it is they get around here. Aspens are not a good tree to plant in Boise, too hot and that pesky fungus gets 'em every time.

On 2-8-07 Boisebro quoted Lora Volkert:

Nope...my living room window looked right at that lot, and they were with out a doubt primarily cottonwoods. It looked like a snow storm when all the cotton would blow off of them all over my porch. I even walked around on that lot several times before it was cleared. I don't know what kind of environmental review Boise has, but I wouldn't doubt the "findings" swayed pretty far from the truth in order to get them cleared. Not that I really care, for the most part I want to see dense development, not a grove of trees. But I won't start up the same argument from several years ago, just in my personal opinion they went about things wrong, whether it's the traditional way or not.

Cottonwood

Feb 17, 2012, 10:25 PM

I miss those cottonwoods;) That sizeable grove seemed to be wild (not planted by man), it kind of looked like a distant remnant of the cottonwood forests along the river. Maybe that grove was left over after development took place between it and the river...Parkcenter Blvd, apartments, offices.
That lot now is an eyesore in Parkcenter. Mr. Dan must like it that way.

http://www.ktvb.com/home/Housing-plan-for-vacant-Boise-land-neighbors-oppose-139416748.html

City planner backs proposed southeast Boise apartment complex

BOISE—A Boise city planner is recommending approval of a proposed subdivision in southeast Boise, but its meeting much opposition.

A Ketchum developer bought the land between Parkcenter Boulevard and Logger's Creek last year and plans to fill it with 287 apartments on 13 acres of land.

Residents living in the area are feeling threatened by this proposed complex and one group said they have been battling it for awhile.

City planner Cody Riddle said through a conditional use permit, the developer can build apartments-- distributing the density across the whole site.

“There is a lot of just basic planning principals that speak to this but the fact is it backs up to single family homes on two side; it’s definitely not a black and white issue and we have a great planning and zoning commission that gets to weigh all of that,” said Riddle.

Friends of Loggers Creek Preservation said it would affect properly values as well as the wildlife habitat.

Cottonwood

Feb 17, 2012, 10:29 PM

http://www.loggerscreekpreservation.com/

Loggers Creek runs along the west (rear) of the property, and the number of people who will inhabit a 288-unit apartment complex will severely jeopardize the sensitive and unique wildlife environment along the Creek. The property along the Creek is designated Class A land and is home to many species of wildlife, including blue herons, bald eagles (it is a wintering bald eagle perch area), wood ducks, goshawks, owls, quail, deer, foxes, brown trout and more. There are no provisions in the proposed development which attempt to protect this area.

So, per their website, people living near Loggers Creek may damage it. Do they not realize hundreds of people already live next to Loggers Creek in SE Boise? I used to live in the Huntington Apartments which are right by Loggers and that creek is so sheltered with foilage and trees it is difficult to even access it. I understand their concern, Boise is a unique and beautiful city and has more natural areas and wildlife within city limits than most cities do, but the development is smart growth and I do not think it will harm Loggers Creek any more than all of the other homes, condos, offices, and apartments that already line the creek.

boisecynic

Feb 18, 2012, 3:10 PM

http://www.loggerscreekpreservation.com/

Pfft, nimbys. I don't get it. People gotta live somewhere and if not in the central city then it's going to be out in Meridian or Kuna or 2C, requiring more automobile miles, more road construction and more strip malls. That is to say, more environmental damage than a central city alternative. This is a prime example of the abuse of the intent of environmental regulations. They don't care about the environment, they care about themselves. We've come to the odd situation of environmental law being (ab)used in ways that hinder enviromental progress.

The 288 figure is probably a bargaining chip by the developer hoping the city will settle for something like 188 units which would still be more than the Bella Borgo proposal. With proper tree-scaping and landscaping the area could become an even better wildlife habitat after 10 years or so. How is acres of bare dirt so habitat friendly?

Cottonwood

Feb 21, 2012, 8:56 PM

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2012/02/20/2002710/idaho-basque-government-forms.html

Idaho, Basque government form new collaboration
By Audrey Dutton — adutton@idahostatesman.com
Posted: 3:52pm on Feb 20, 2012; Modified: 10:22pm on Feb 20, 2012

Idaho will be an official economic development partner with the Basque Country under a new agreement.

The Basque government will open an economic development office in Downtown Boise, said Mark Rivers, a developer who has been involved in the process. The office will be staffed by a representative of the Basque government. It will open at a not-yet-chosen location as soon as late summer, Rivers said.

Idaho businesses will have a home in the Basque region — likely in Bilbao — that will help them launch into the European market, he said.

Boisebro

Feb 23, 2012, 8:28 PM

small update on the Zion's building here:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=5602544#post5602544
(http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=5602544#post5602544)

Sawtooth

Feb 26, 2012, 12:43 AM

Whole Foods, the urban setting and a store wall, that's all.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/Idahomajesty/Winter2012/003-1.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/Idahomajesty/Winter2012/006.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/Idahomajesty/Winter2012/007.jpg

Full Frontal on zoom taken at the stop light from my car window.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/Idahomajesty/Winter2012/009-1.jpg

12th Street

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/Idahomajesty/Winter2012/024-1.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/Idahomajesty/Winter2012/025-1.jpg

The Hole

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/Idahomajesty/Winter2012/011-1.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/Idahomajesty/Winter2012/012-1.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/Idahomajesty/Winter2012/013-1.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/Idahomajesty/Winter2012/014-2.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/Idahomajesty/Winter2012/015-2.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/Idahomajesty/Winter2012/016-1.jpg

Cottonwood

Feb 27, 2012, 5:25 PM

Thanks for the pictures. Visual updates are always nice to see.

Hawk

Feb 27, 2012, 7:49 PM

Agreed, Sawtooth always does a great job updating us with pictures.:)

Cottonwood

Feb 27, 2012, 9:53 PM

City Of Trees

Feb 27, 2012, 11:24 PM

If the whole goal of Occupy Boise is to get attention, the past month or two of camping there isn't working towards that goal. I would bike or drive by the site every now and then, see the campground, and think, "meh, same old tents". Evicting them is probably for their own good, as they'll have to think of better ways to grab attention.

alphawolf

Feb 28, 2012, 3:31 AM

Retail building goes up at Meridian Town Center

By Sandra Forester — sforester@idahostatesman.com

Posted: 10:38am on Feb 27, 2012; Modified: 11:00am on Feb 27, 2012

"The shell of a 91,146-square-foot retail building is rising on former farmland at 2200 N. Eagle Road, just north of Fairview and the still-unopened Big Al’s entertainment center."

Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2012/02/27/2012140/retail-building-goes-up-at-meridian.html#storylink=cpy

Fully built out with 400,000 square feet by 2014. Not a bad time frame.

Hawk

Feb 28, 2012, 6:31 PM

Occupy Boise. Sorry for venting.

This is obviously not development news, but I justify my post because they are camped on the grounds of a building to be developed into the U of I Law Center.:) Last week Gov Otter said they need to leave, but a Federal Judge today said they can stay for a while but cannot camp anymore or cook on the grounds, but their tents can remain (um…ok). Does anyone else think their camp is an eyesore? I noticed last week that there are several young trees which their tents are tied to in addition to the large trees. God forbid they are allowed to still have tents there in the Spring and Summer, but what will happen if the state cannot water these trees...they die? What about the dead lawn their tents are creating? This park is right by the Capitol Building, Occupy should show some respect. This is state property, it is my property too, as it is every other resident of the state, not just Occupy Boise's and their handful of people who hang out there. In my opinion, the issue isn’t about understanding their cause, that is a moot point. My concern is that the old Ada County Courthouse grounds remain beautiful and not become ruined. I know I am not the only person who feels this way. Occupy Boise can possibly further their cause by getting a booth at the Saturday Market when it starts up again in April.

Posted: 11:00am on Feb 27, 2012; Modified: 1:48pm on Feb 27, 2012

the encampment is a complete eyesore! heck, all that's left there are just what seem like people who don't have a job, nor a place to live. it's just an excuse for them to be lazy and voice their hatred for Government. I don't even feel safe going near the courthouse anymore in the evenings, or during the night on my walks with my dog. they yell, curse, and act totally mental when a car drives by. I'm hoping it's because they're bored, But still it makes people uncomfortable. I met up with an old acquaintance who actually admitted he's only staying at the encampment because he has nowhere else to go, or stay.
I agree with what occupy wall street was created for in the first place, but it has gotten way out of hand, and it has just lost it's original meaning. I don't want to get into politics, and shit like that here on SSP. that's not what this forum was created for. it just strikes a nerve. But it feels great getting shit like this off of my shoulder once in a while.
About the U of I law center there: I have no clue. it could be that they're postponing it until OWS leaves. but that's just a speculation. there are some machinery there blaocked off by a chain linked fence but it only seems like they're doing work when and if they can on the landscaping.

GrandTeton

Feb 28, 2012, 7:22 PM

I don't even feel safe going near the courthouse anymore in the evenings, or during the night on my walks with my dog.

For Pete's sake, it's Boise. It's not intimidating whatsoever.
If you really want to talk about eyesores in Boise, a good place to start would be all the parking lots downtown.

Maybe someone should create an Idaho politics thread so I don't have to read about politics when I expect to read about developments.

Hawk

Feb 28, 2012, 8:01 PM

For Pete's sake, it's Boise. It's not intimidating whatsoever.
If you really want to talk about eyesores in Boise, a good place to start would be all the parking lots downtown.

Maybe someone should create an Idaho politics thread so I don't have to read about politics when I expect to read about developments.

Ha your right wtf should i be worried about. I was only caught up in the moment when i was writing all that. and yea that could be a good idea but i'm not going to steal your idea and create the thread. you totally should though. might become popular.

Cottonwood

Feb 28, 2012, 8:24 PM

Visualize

Feb 29, 2012, 1:35 AM

alphawolf

Feb 29, 2012, 11:44 AM

And commitments for 73% of the space is damn good. Very curious what the line up of tenants are.

City Of Trees

Feb 29, 2012, 1:03 PM

If you really want to talk about eyesores in Boise, a good place to start would be all the parking lots downtown.This really cannot be said enough.:tup:

Cottonwood

Feb 29, 2012, 3:54 PM

And commitments for 73% of the space is damn good. Very curious what the line up of tenants are.

I have noticed advertisements for H&M on local tv lately. They are expanding and if SLC is getting one it seems logical Boise would get one too.
Back to those parking lots....maybe Occupy Boise can be moved to that lot on Idaho St and 16th:) Most of the other lots downtown are not too much of an eyesore because of extensive landscaping and trees around perimiters. There are a few that are less than desirable.

Bodo_business

Feb 29, 2012, 4:05 PM

I have noticed advertisements for H&M on local tv lately. They are expanding and if SLC is getting one it seems logical Boise would get one too...

H&M is the rumor that I'm hearing too, but not from a solid source yet. Also heard on another forum a few days ago that Dave and Busters is looking at the Valley. That would be interesting considering the recent opening of Pinz and the pending opening of Big Al's. I haven't done extensive research, but I believe that we would be the smallest market D&B has considered.

boisecynic

Feb 29, 2012, 5:10 PM

There is an Idaho statewide thread which many local forumers seem to not get too involved in...maybe politics can be talked about in that thread, I could even rename it. I personally do not see an issue with a post or two being a bit off topic in the development thread because development is kind of slow this week:) Discussion about the development on Parkcenter came to a halt last week and after that Sawtooth posted some great development pics which only Hawk and myself have commented on.

Hard to have development without politics. In fact, one of the most difficult things about development is dealing with permits and inspections and the P&Z department. If we want to see more development near downtown, or in Boise in general we should contact the Mayor and council regularly and remind them to ease up a bit, and this is coming from a mayor and council supporter.

Even the whitewater park had to jump through Boise P&Z hoops which weren't demanded by Garden City even though Boise City limits end at the river bank on the Boise side. In other words, nearly the entire project was within Garden City city limits. I'm talking about the Boise River System permit that Parks and Rec had to pull. Is Boise nuts? That area was already a wreck from decades of mismanagement.

I've spoken to quite a few builders who simply gave up on Boise due to the difficulties, and they shifted their focus to Meridian or Star etc. Sure it's a double edged sword, more quantity often means less quality.

Indeed, that Parkcenter Blvd Bella Borgo V 2.0 is already controversial.

Talk to WS Mesa builders about their dealings with ACHD. Look at how Boise delayed the 30th St extension at least twice, once for the 30th St Master Plan and then again for a traffic circle that's arguably unnecessary and eats up significant sq footage of ES Park.

FWIW, I'm going to get out on my bike and take some construction pics soon as it warms up and we get good light. Probably this weekend. The office at Shoreline and Americana is nearly done with rough framing. Framing should start any day now on the Riverview Rehab. A bunch of work has been done on and around the Pioneer Path.

BoiseAirport

Feb 29, 2012, 6:02 PM

I've spoken to quite a few builders who simply gave up on Boise due to the difficulties, and they shifted their focus to Meridian or Star etc. Sure it's a double edged sword, more quantity often means less quality.

Frankly, I had to stop my research into the unbuilt proposals in downtown Boise over the last few decades partly because of school, and also because it was just extraordinarily depressing. I got a sense that Boise really missed out on some wonderful proposals and beautiful architecture because of either politics or really harsh, unreasonable, and in often cases, completely ass-backwards restrictions that made no sense to me whatsoever, I guess in tune with the "Buildings must blend in with the foothills" ideology. I just couldn't stomach it anymore.

I'll revisit it and if possible (I still have not obtained permission yet), I'll post renderings and designs on here that I found, which Boise lost out on, if anyone's interested. I still love Boise, and it's to me the best city to live and grow up in. But it is extremely depressing to think of what this city could've been.

Cottonwood

Feb 29, 2012, 6:14 PM

:previous: In the past I have spoken with people who have grown up here about a similar topic and their answer is usually that Boise city government in the 60's until Kempthorne was mayor, was almost anti growth...there was that fear Boise would lose its charm and get too big. Kempthorne seemed to become mayor during a golden growth era and attitudes started to change.
That attitude was silly, because Boise is a lot larger than it was even in the 80's and 90's and is still one of the most "charming" and attractive cities in the entire western US.

BoiseAirport, have you researched any info on the Cathedral Place Condos that were planned on Hays Street by the Cathedral of The Rockies? After the historic homes were moved to make way the NIMBY's stepped in and now that lot is a big parking lot with an urban vegetable garden in the growing season. The ironic aspect is some of those Nimby's are probably not around anymore...either dead of old age or they moved:) That whole fiasco was going on about the time I moved to Boise and all I could think was omg.

Cottonwood

Feb 29, 2012, 9:34 PM

This news should make some fast foodies happy. One is going into Meridian Town Center too.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2012/02/29/2015051/three-new-chick-fil-a-restaurants.html

Three new Chick-fil-A restaurants planned for Boise, Meridian
By Audrey Dutton — adutton@idahostatesman.com

Posted: 12:58pm on Feb 29, 2012; Modified: 1:01pm on Feb 29, 2012

Chick-fil-A plans to open three new restaurants in the Treasure Valley this year.

The chicken sandwich chain hopes to open the franchises by October, said Don Ikeler, development manager.

The first is planned for 535 N. Milwaukee St. in Boise, which until recently was home to an Iceberg Drive Inn fast-food restaurant.

The second is planned for 300 S. Broadway Ave. in Boise, which was a Perkins Bakery and Restaurant until that store closed in early December.

The third Chick-fil-A restaurant will be part of the Meridian Town Center lifestyle development now being built at Fairview Avenue and Eagle Road, near the Big Al's entertainment center.

Hawk

Feb 29, 2012, 9:50 PM

And this is why i like the JUMP project! it's different and out of the norm. I admit i was a bit skeptical about the whole thing at first, but after looking into it and reading about the potential of having it here in Boise, I really started liking it. what Boise needs is Modern Architecture, and to get away from just brown and square buildings.

BoiseAirport

Mar 1, 2012, 12:26 AM

Very much agreed Hawk! I should follow up by saying that I think the worst of it is behind us and in the past. That the city approved JUMP to be built makes a strong statement that the attitude has changed, I think. Personally I think Boise really needs more architecture like that of the old Washington Mutual (Now Chase?) building. That thing is a real stunner. Same with the Wells Fargo building. :)

Cottonwood

Mar 1, 2012, 5:12 PM

I finally looked up the website indicated on those Idle Free Boise signs all over downtown. Check it out.

http://www.beidlefreeboise.org/

http://www.beidlefreeboise.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/IdleFreeSign.jpg

Hawk

Mar 1, 2012, 8:23 PM

Cottonwood

Mar 1, 2012, 10:16 PM

So true about the Chase building.

I third that thought too. I also think The Aspen is pretty sexy too, obviously the glass side rather than the back side. It adds a great dynamic to downtown when viewing it at street level especially from 8th Street.

Hawk

Mar 1, 2012, 10:27 PM

I third that thought too. I also think The Aspen is pretty sexy too, obviously the glass side rather than the back side. It adds a great dynamic to downtown when viewing it at street level especially from 8th Street.

Very very true about the aspen :P. too bad too bad though that they didn't have the glass go all the way around in that wavy pattern.

trekkerguy

Mar 3, 2012, 4:29 AM

It's good to read that the former Macy's has potential plans to be turned into housing. I will be honest though, it's to bad it is slated for 100% affordable, I think it would be great if it were developed into a mixed income housing. Yes it's nice to provide places for people to live that need affordable housing, but it's also a good idea to provide new housing options for market rate, those that tend to bring more disposable income into the downtown area.

My problem with this is that there is already so little affordable housing in downtown Boise... they really need multiple buildings focusing solely on that aspect of housing to help bolster the amount of working young people in downtown Boise who also seek out their culture and entertainment there. Otherwise... it's off to Boise Towne Square because that's more accessible to all the other affordable housing.

Mr. Pragmatic

Mar 4, 2012, 4:51 PM

My problem with this is that there is already so little affordable housing in downtown Boise... they really need multiple buildings focusing solely on that aspect of housing to help bolster the amount of working young people in downtown Boise who also seek out their culture and entertainment there. Otherwise... it's off to Boise Towne Square because that's more accessible to all the other affordable housing.

First, since this is my first post since joining, let me say hello and thanks for keeping the interest in Boise's growth alive and focused on substance.

Affordable housing downtown is simply not possible given the cost of construction. The only way it is ever going to happen is if it is subsidized. Condos are dead from a financing standpoint and the cost to build vertical is prohibitive. Type V over Type 1 was supposed to be the path to affordability, but it has not worked. The alternative is to locate density around the edges of the downtown core and provide public transportation that is intelligently planned and truly functional.

BoiseAirport

Mar 4, 2012, 5:26 PM

First, since this is my first post since joining, let me say hello and thanks for keeping the interest in Boise's growth alive and focused on substance.

Affordable housing downtown is simply not possible given the cost of construction. The only way it is ever going to happen is if it is subsidized. Condos are dead from a financing standpoint and the cost to build vertical is prohibitive. Type V over Type 1 was supposed to be the path to affordability, but it has not worked. The alternative is to locate density around the edges of the downtown core and provide public transportation that is intelligently planned and truly functional.

Hello Mr. Pragmatic, welcome to SSP! It's always great to hear from new forumers. I personally don't have enough knowledge on the matter to have an informed opinion, but I was just curious if you work in this field because you sound pretty knowledgable on it. :)

Mr. Pragmatic

Mar 4, 2012, 6:56 PM

:yes:Hello Mr. Pragmatic, welcome to SSP! It's always great to hear from new forumers. I personally don't have enough knowledge on the matter to have an informed opinion, but I was just curious if you work in this field because you sound pretty knowledgable on it. :)

Thanks for the welcome! I do have recent history in both downtown and infill housing projects for some time. There is a reason people gasp at the prices and why most of the projects have either been taken over by the lender or off-loaded with auctions. When your market is so used to price-per-square foot it is very difficult to break that mind-set. The more people who move here from major metropolitan areas, the more acceptable the pricing structure will become. With construction to current codes and the cost of getting through the entitlement process, especially with an infill project, the cost per square foot is considerably more than it would be if you were just going to plow up another 10 acres of beets west of Boise.

Hawk

Mar 4, 2012, 7:12 PM

Welcome to SSP Mr. Pragmatic. We needed someone like you here! I'm very excited to read what you have to say on current, and future developments.

Mr. Pragmatic

Mar 4, 2012, 7:30 PM

If anyone really wants to understand the difficulty of infill development, spend some time going the through the Documents section of the 5B Sawtooth application for apartments on Parkcenter. http://pdsonline.cityofboise.org/pdsonline/details.aspx?id=PUD11-00005 (http://pdsonline.cityofboise.org/pdsonline/details.aspx?id=PUD11-00005) Unfortunately, ACHD in their infinite wisdom :rolleyes: has elected to ignore the traffic nightmare that lies ahead. Boise City has the ability but probably not the political will, to solve the problems presented by this proposed project. If you end up going to the Friends of Loggers Creek site, be sure and watch the video. The heron/fish encounter at the end is great.

Cottonwood

Mar 5, 2012, 6:17 PM

My problem with this is that there is already so little affordable housing in downtown Boise... they really need multiple buildings focusing solely on that aspect of housing to help bolster the amount of working young people in downtown Boise who also seek out their culture and entertainment there. Otherwise... it's off to Boise Towne Square because that's more accessible to all the other affordable housing.

There are proposals for large apartment complexes across the river from downtown near BSU which can help fill that gap. I feel that large lot at Idaho/Bannock and 16th would be perfect for affordable apartments. I assume, maybe I am wrong, that the young working class who don't live near downtown and happen to live out in west Boise still come downtown for their entertainment, if downtown is their scene. (Some of them may be more of the TGI Fridays crowd and the chain restaurants near BTS are their scene).
Downtown has been pretty busy recently (as it usually is), especially at nights and weekends...it is almost impossible to get into a restaurant without reservations and even then there is a wait. More young professionals living in the downtown area is always going to be a positive. Downtown has an impressive selection of restaurants, retail, etc...but imagine what more we could have if there were a larger number of young pro's living in downtown.

also..
Work has commenced inside of the old Macy's building. Hopefully renderings are released soon.

Cottonwood

Mar 5, 2012, 8:05 PM

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2012/01/03/1938126/its-official-10-barrel-brewing.html#storylink=latest
It’s official: 10 Barrel Brewing to open brewpub at 9th and Bannock this summer
By Patrick Orr Idaho Statesman
Published: 01/03/12

The new year brings good news for Treasure Valley craft beer lovers — Bend-based 10 Barrel Brewing will open a new brewpub in Downtown Boise next summer.
The owners of 10 Barrel Brewing had been talking with State of Idaho officials for several months about leasing a building at 9th and Bannock streets owned by the Department of Lands.
10 Barrel owners signed the lease last month and work is expected to begin soon to retrofit the building for a brewing system and restaurant equipment. The work is expected to be completed by summer.

“Joining an up and coming brew scene in Boise will allow me to really showcase my talents in front of a larger audience,” Kelso said in a press release issued by 10 Barrel Brewing Monday to formally announce the opening of the Boise brewpub.
10 Barrel partner Garret Wales told the Idaho Statesman in September that he and the rest of the company have been looking at the Boise market for a while and feel the city would be a good fit.

Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2012/01/03/1938126/its-official-10-barrel-brewing.html#storylink=latest#storylink=cpy

Barbara Barbara & Co ladies store has moved across the street on Bannock and when I went by this building at Bannock and 9th it appears demo work has started inside for the new brew pub:tup:

Mr. Pragmatic

Mar 5, 2012, 8:19 PM

More beer...what's not to like about that! :tup:

Cottonwood

Mar 5, 2012, 8:30 PM

More beer...what's not to like about that! :tup:

Welcome to the SSP party Mr. Pragmatic:cheers:

Hawk

Mar 6, 2012, 3:23 AM

Cottonwood

Mar 6, 2012, 8:20 PM

OMG I WANT BEER NOW! Lol i haven't had beer since what like 2 weeks before the Superbowl :(. Heck we all should totally get together at the new taphouse when it opens or something like that. :P:cheers:

Sounds likes something to plan on in the near future. I do not think there has ever been an official Boise SSP meetup.

Hawk

Mar 6, 2012, 9:36 PM

Well then here's our chance! someone should take the lead and plan a meetup.

BoiseAirport

Mar 6, 2012, 10:11 PM

Sounds likes something to plan on in the near future. I do not think there has ever been an official Boise SSP meetup.

There was once that I know of, long long ago back in early 2006, IIRC. I was unfortunately unable to attend, but if I remember right jard, Boizean, and Boisebro were among the attendees. I think someone even posted a photo from the meetup.

I would definitely be up for an SSP meetup! Maybe we could get together for the Zions Bank groundbreaking ceremony (though it's a bit short notice at this point). Too bad it's not in July after I turn 21. :P

Hawk

Mar 6, 2012, 10:51 PM

there was once that i know of, long long ago back in early 2006, iirc. I was unfortunately unable to attend, but if i remember right jard, boizean, and boisebro were among the attendees. I think someone even posted a photo from the meetup.

I would definitely be up for an ssp meetup! Maybe we could get together for the zions bank groundbreaking ceremony (though it's a bit short notice at this point). Too bad it's not in july after i turn 21. :p

hurry up and turn 21 then!!! Lol

Cottonwood

Mar 6, 2012, 11:26 PM

There was once that I know of, long long ago back in early 2006, IIRC. I was unfortunately unable to attend, but if I remember right jard, Boizean, and Boisebro were among the attendees. I think someone even posted a photo from the meetup.

I would definitely be up for an SSP meetup! Maybe we could get together for the Zions Bank groundbreaking ceremony (though it's a bit short notice at this point). Too bad it's not in July after I turn 21. :P

Hawk, are you over 21?

BoiseAirport and those under 21, we can meet at Chucky Cheese lol, or after your 21st B-Day we could have a meet at the Spearmint Rhino.

Just joking:)

Someone should get the ball rolling on a plan.

Saturnfromboise

Mar 6, 2012, 11:36 PM

I was at that meet way back in early 2006 :).

Hawk

Mar 6, 2012, 11:52 PM

Yes i am Cottonwood lol I'm 22...lol sory cottonwood ha i'm not big on those gentlemen's clubs lol anything else maybe haha and how bout for the lil kids on ssp lol boise airport included we meet somewhere like Hydepark Pub & Grill

Cottonwood

Mar 6, 2012, 11:55 PM

Yes i am Cottonwood lol I'm 22...lol sory cottonwood ha i'm not big on those gentlemen's clubs lol anything else maybe haha

Throw out some ideas and lets see what the response is like. btw, I hope you realized I was just being silly about the gentlemen's club.;)

Hawk

Mar 7, 2012, 12:01 AM

i figured you were lol, hmm...so hyde park P&G, Taphouse (for the adults), PArilla grill in hydepark or however you spell it, the new Costa Vida restaurant on 8th and main, um... come on lol help me out!

i'm thinkin something not expensive but something that would be nice for lunch or dinner downtown or in hydepark. but definitely something where the grown ups can have a beer if they choose too. :D :P

BoiseTran

Mar 7, 2012, 4:54 AM

I don't post all that often, but I read others' posts almost every day. :) I would definitely be down to meet up, but I'm in Moscow most of the year for school. If it happens that I'm Boise, I'd love it.

Boysee Boi

Mar 7, 2012, 5:52 AM

FWIW - you don't have to be 21 to get into any of the brew pubs...

Cottonwood

Mar 7, 2012, 4:33 PM

FWIW - you don't have to be 21 to get into any of the brew pubs...

I was thinking that too yesterday while the discussion was taking place.

Hawk

Mar 7, 2012, 8:29 PM

ooo that reminds me how bout bittercreek down on 8th st.?

Cottonwood

Mar 8, 2012, 4:29 PM

ooo that reminds me how bout bittercreek down on 8th st.?

I notice that people are being very quiet and not responding to your proposal for a forum meet. Possibly a few are shy and do not want to be seen or their identity exposed:)
I think that some dates are going to have to be thrown out, narrowed down along with a location and then people may start responding.

Hawk

Mar 8, 2012, 8:09 PM

Well, then i'll need your help, or at least all the help i can get :). Heh can't do this alone ya know!

boisecynic

Mar 9, 2012, 6:31 PM

I notice that people are being very quiet and not responding to your proposal for a forum meet. Possibly a few are shy and do not want to be seen or their identity exposed:)
I think that some dates are going to have to be thrown out, narrowed down along with a location and then people may start responding.

I proposed one long ago and got not a peep. I don't think Boiseans in general are the meetup type. I can't put my finger on it. Is it our conservative nature? Too lazy? City too spread out? For example, I'd go to the Mac user group meetings more often but it's way the heck out at Fuddruckers at Eagle and Ustick. Just too far for me to drive. However, it seems most on this forum are from the greater downtown area.

What we need is a sponsor who'll kick in some free Pizza or beer or whatever. I think warmer weather would help, many seem to hibernate during the cold months.

It's still 3 months off but how about the Greek Food Festival. Easy to bicycle to for many, easy access off The Connector's Fairview exit with decent parking within 2 or 3 blocks, just grab a table and put a big SSP sign on it. They serve beer and wine but under 21 are allowed no problem. There's also a Quinn's Pond cleanup on the Saturday morning of the Greek Food Festival in conjunction with the Boise River Volunteers. Usually get 20 or so to show up and BRV brings a bunch of catarafts.

boisecynic

Mar 9, 2012, 6:48 PM

Also, first video I've found of the new Whitewater Park in use:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv-hLaREHh8

eastidaho

Mar 9, 2012, 7:08 PM

:previous:
I hope to see some guys/gals out on the waves next Thurs-Friday when I am in town. IIRC, my hotel is steps from where they shot that video. Also, my family finally drew out on a Middle Fork permit this summer. Seeing some boats playing in the water will get me even more stoked for my 100-mile river journey through the most beautiful state in the Union. :tup:

Cottonwood

Mar 12, 2012, 7:40 PM

I am quoting a few of your remarks, boisecynic...

However, it seems most on this forum are from the greater downtown area.

It's still 3 months off but how about the Greek Food Festival. Easy to bicycle to for many, easy access off The Connector's Fairview exit with decent parking within 2 or 3 blocks, just grab a table and put a big SSP sign on it. They serve beer and wine but under 21 are allowed no problem. There's also a Quinn's Pond cleanup on the Saturday morning of the Greek Food Festival in conjunction with the Boise River Volunteers. Usually get 20 or so to show up and BRV brings a bunch of catarafts.

It does seem like a lot of forumers have stated they live in the greater downtown area too, several have mentioned the Northend as their place of residence. Possibly once construction is more involved at Jump and Zions Bank then a meet would work? I like your idea of the Greek Festival and the cleanup. Most of us here at SSP seem to have a lot of pride in Boise and are concerned how our city grows, so giving back and being a BRV for that Saturday would be a good thing:tup:

BoiseAirport

Mar 12, 2012, 8:12 PM

I love the idea of the Greek Food Festival! :)

The reason I've been a bit quiet about it is that I would dearly love to go, but I'm unfortunately at a point where I have no idea what my schedule holds as the next 6 months are going to be very unpredictable and packed with work, school and an internship, so I don't think it would be fair for me to help set a time and date for us to meet only for me to find out later I can't attend. But I think it would just be absolutely awesome for us to meet up sometime soon, it'd be great to put a face to the usernames! Another good thing is that I live within walking distance of downtown, so access is not a problem for me at all.

Sawtooth

Mar 13, 2012, 12:39 AM

I will try to make it when a time and place is decided.

Cottonwood

Mar 13, 2012, 4:19 PM

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2012/03/09/2028263/treasure-valley-among-nations.html

Treasure Valley among nation's most-improving housing markets, firm says
By Sandra Forester — sforester@idahostatesman.com
Posted: 10:33am on Mar 9, 2012; Modified: 9:41pm on Mar 9, 2012

The Treasure Valley is among the top 10 most-improving housing markets in America, says a California company that tracks residential real estate.

CoreLogic ranked Boise No. 10 based on the number of sales, home prices and delinquencies in January. The company said improving home sales are the main driver of the ranking.

BoiseAirport

Mar 14, 2012, 12:26 AM

Visualize

Mar 14, 2012, 12:26 AM

River 8 Apartments Downtown

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m48/visualeyez1983/River8.png

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m48/visualeyez1983/River8b.png

There are a lot more pictures at the following link under "DWG_3-MODEL REVISED FEBRUARY 27, 2012": http://pdsonline.cityofboise.org/pdsonline/details.aspx?id=DRH12-00033&type=doc

BoiseAirport

Mar 14, 2012, 12:31 AM

Oh wow!! Great finds, Visualize! Beautiful structure that'll fit in great with that lot along the river. :)

Visualize

Mar 14, 2012, 12:46 AM

I noticed there is a decent increase in requests for fairly dense housing permits all around the city. Looks to be a good sign of things to come.

s.p.hansen

Mar 14, 2012, 1:02 AM

The River 8 Apartments Downtown look like some really nice infill!

jakor21

Mar 14, 2012, 6:32 AM

Excited to see some progress on the residential side of development. Hopefully these projects happen, we need more people in downtown!

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2012/03/14/2034397/developer-previews-river-8-lofts.html

BoiseAirport

Mar 14, 2012, 6:35 AM

Ohhh yeah, looking at these renderings further, this building is excellent. Architecturally, I think downtown badly needs more structures like these, and the street environment it creates is simply wonderful. It's too bad that the Library Blocks proposal didn't happen quite as envisioned, but perhaps one step at a time, like this, this area could turn into something truly special. :)

GrandTeton

Mar 14, 2012, 8:23 AM

I'd love to see more infill developments like this and the City-Side lofts pop up along River Street. That area could really turn into a mixed-use, pedestrian paradise.

Cottonwood

Mar 14, 2012, 2:39 PM

Nimby News!! Come on, it sounds like it will be a boutique Walmart lol.

Walmart grocery planned at Cole, Ustick in Boise
By Audrey Dutton — adutton@idahostatesman.com
Posted: 10:02am on Mar 13, 2012; Modified: 9:16pm on Mar 13, 2012

The Walmart Neighborhood Market store in the Cole Village Shopping Center would be the Boise debut of the concept, which Walmart launched in 1998.

At about 44,000 square feet, the store will stock grocery-store fare and some supermarket staples like pet supplies. It will have a one-hour photo center and a drive-through pharmacy.

But not everyone is pleased.
“I’m concerned that if we want to ... patronize those businesses that are there now, we’ll have to get in our vehicles” because those smaller businesses will move, said Bob Mayer, who lives near the shopping center.
Mayer said he worries the store will bring more traffic and parking needs.
“I just think it’s going to destroy the whole character of the neighborhood in general,” Mayer said

and more Nimbyness

Loggers Creek neighbors at loggerheads with developer in Boise
By SANDRA FORESTER — sforester@idahostatesman.com
Posted: 12:00am on Mar 10, 2012

http://media.idahostatesman.com/edia/2012/03/09/22/55/1mUNtP.AuSt.36.jpg
Former Boise State football coach Dan Hawkins talks with neighbors in his backyard about plans for an apartment development on ParkCenter Boulevard across Loggers Creek from his home. Some neighbors are upset with the project, saying it would ruin the character of the neighborhood, which consists mainly of single-family homes on larger lots. JOE JASZEWSKI — Photo by Joe Jaszewski

ianjt

Mar 14, 2012, 8:17 PM

So Ruth's Chris is indeed coming to Boise, and it will be at the Eighth & Main project.

Steak house, four other tenants lease space at Boise's Eighth & Main project

Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2012/03/13/2033957/steak-house-four-other-tenants.html#storylink=cpy

Ruth's Chris, Holland and Hart, and a few other companies have been announced to date. But there are others to be announced.

I work for Holland and Hart, but we'll see if I stick around by the time that everything is ready to be moved over.

Regardless, I should be able to get good shots of the construction. I can tell you that they are pretty excited about it.

boisecynic

Mar 15, 2012, 5:28 PM

Boiseguardian has posted a couple of stories about the Greater Boise Auditorium District recently and predictably, commenters are showing their lack of grasp. Here's my comment over there about GBAD:

History, history, history. Not sure of the direction of this thread, but it is GBAD’s job to build auditoriums aka convention centers, in just the same way it is ACHD’s job to build roads. Don’t hear too much griping when ACHD widens the roads that you used to get delayed on.

In 1959 82% voted yes to create an Auditorium District as allowed under Idaho Law Title 67 Chapter 49 here:

http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/idstat/Title67/T67CH49.htm

Proof of the landslide vote in 1959 linked below and I’m the one who went through the Library’s microfilm and presented this document to GBAD.

http://www.gbadnow.com/pdf/articles_1959.pdf

To reiterate: It is GBAD’s job, their mandate, to build a convention center. If they don’t get it done then they are failing, not the other way around.

With a reconstituted Board, maybe GBAD can get on with the business of building a bigger public meeting facility. It's good for business.

boisecynic

Mar 15, 2012, 5:42 PM

Spokane Convention Center, arrrrgh! HOTLINKED

http://www.spokanephotos.com/509/images/20060817190943_new-convention-center.jpg

Spokane, 7 years ahead of Boise and counting! That's what I'm talkin' 'bout!

In yo face Boise!
http://www.visitspokane.com/includes/media/images/Spokane-Convention-Center-9.png
Yep, hotlinked from visitspokane.com.

Hawk

Mar 15, 2012, 6:36 PM

Yup that's a definite: "IN YOUR FACE!!!" Here's the perfect smilies for this topic

Boise: :oldlady :baby:

Spokane: :upload_71700:

Cottonwood

Mar 15, 2012, 8:15 PM

Nice cc. Spokane must not have the amount of nimbys Boise has. Is there a Spokane Guardian lol? I bet Spokane is stealing some larger conventions that would come to Boise because our current Convention Center is not as large as theirs.

NYC Rick

Mar 15, 2012, 8:35 PM

Not Quite the major anouncement.

However, I am seriously impressed by Boise now.

I remember when I was 10 to 18. I liked Boise but it was way slow.

I was there a few weeks ago. What a great transition to being a real area of growth.

Nice city for sure.

Rick

So Ruth's Chris is indeed coming to Boise, and it will be at the Eighth & Main project.

Steak house, four other tenants lease space at Boise's Eighth & Main project

Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2012/03/13/2033957/steak-house-four-other-tenants.html#storylink=cpy

Cottonwood

Mar 15, 2012, 11:19 PM

http://www.ktvb.com/news/politics/Parking-garage-bill-advances-at-the-statehouse-142822195.html

Lawmakers consider new parking garage near Idaho Capitol

BOISE-- State representatives want to make sure there is enough parking at the Idaho Capitol. Earlier this week they passed a bill that would allowing the state to build a new multi-million dollar parking garage near the Statehouse.

The bill's sponsor, House Assistant Majority Leader Scott Bedke, says the state has a major parking problem on its hands.

GrandTeton

Mar 16, 2012, 1:25 AM

There is easily enough parking downtown during the day, especially east of Capitol St.

A parking garage would take up space that could otherwise be used more efficiently. Unless they plan to build an underground garage, I don't think this would be a wise decision in the long term.

In other news, I hear that walking is decent exercise.

Visualize

Mar 16, 2012, 4:47 AM

I personally hope they push the parking garage through, and subsequently work out a deal with a developer for a residential tower next to it with little or no parking requirements, making the project much more feasible. Anytime someone wants to pay for a parking garage I see it as a very good thing, because then it makes development around it that much more likely.

Cottonwood

Mar 16, 2012, 7:23 PM

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2012/03/16/2037737/ada-housing-market-rallies.html

Ada County housing market rallies
By SANDRA FORESTER — sforester@idahostatesman.com
Posted: 12:00am on Mar 16, 2012; Modified: 10:58am on Mar 16, 2012

For Treasure Valley real estate agent Barb Crowell, the first few months of this year have been busier than any since 2005, one of the most active years for the local housing industry.

City Of Trees

Mar 17, 2012, 2:14 AM