Footprint (150 Mile Radius) Population Indicator of the 13 Largest MSAs in US
There are 366 MSAs as defined by the US Census totaling over 257 million people (approximately 84% of total US Population). These MSAs ranged in population from New York (over 19 million) to Carson City, NV (over 55 thousand).
I analyzed the distance between each of the 13 largest MSAs in the US to all of the other 365 MSAs. By doing so, I was able to get an indication of the US population within any radius of the top 13 MSAs in the United States. The results for 150 mile radius are shown. The results show the primary city of the 13 Largest MSAs and the estimated population within the radius. It also shows the number of MSAs within the radius. It also lists the top 6 MSAs in population within the radius. For example, the largest population footprint indicator of the 13 largest MSAs is Philadelphia. Within an estimated 150 miles of Philadelphia MSA, an estimated 40 million people live. There are 21 other MSAs within the 150 radius and the 6 largest are New York, Philly (itself), DC, Baltimore, Bridgeport and Allentown. Remember, the numbers are estimates (not exact) but does give an indication of population. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (1) PHILADELPHIA..........39,712,877..........21 MSAs
(2)NEW YORK CITY..........36,204,915..........23 MSAs
(3)LOS ANGELES..........22,089,150..........6 MSAs
(4)WASHINGTON..........21,086,030..........23 MSAs
(5)CHICAGO..........17,264,788..........27 MSAs
(6)BOSTON..........13,270,044..........15 MSAs
(7)DETROIT..........12,923,763..........21 MSAs
(8)SAN FRANCISCO..........11,710,219..........13 MSAs
(9)ATLANTA..........10,763,686..........19 MSAs
(10)HOUSTON..........8,472,843..........6 MSAs
(11)DALLAS..........7,852,442..........8 MSAs
(12)MIAMI..........7,150,911..........6 MSAs
(13)PHOENIX..........5,729,829..........4 MSAs
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Interesting.
I bet you the "biggest" MSA in the U.S. would then be Trenton-Ewing (Mercer County, NJ), because you would capture the vast majority of everyone within 150 miles of both NYC and Philly. |
150 miles?! :eeekk:
I can leave the country, cross two others and enter the fourth! Over 50 million people live in that kind of radius from where I live, which is a small 200,000 city (470,000 metro/"MSA"). Nice research, but 150 miles seems a bit too generous to be of practical use. As has been commented, you would capture the most population when you center in between NYC and Philly and not when centered on NYC itself which should be the baseline for any comparison imo. Seems a bit engineered to generate a certain result like this... |
Also, why only US population?
Seattle/Vancouver or San Diego/Tijuana don't count? No Windsor, etc for Detroit? And I don't buy Phoenix in 13th place. I think both Columbus, OH and Orlando top it, and that's just if we're not including other MSA's that are already included in higher ranking spots (which you did do in your list). EDIT- Indianapolis and Pittsburgh too and probably more that I'm missing right now... |
^You'd get a similar thing with Sacramento - that would capture everything within the Bay Area, and get you more of the California Central Valley and Reno along with it.
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Yeah but Sacramento is already included in (8) San Fransisco and I left out all the MSA's that were already mentioned eventhough L41A himself did not in his list.
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Exactly how far is Providence from nYc? Driving wise, it's 180+ miles away. It makes more sense to drop it off and include New Haven's MSA (848,006)
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For instance, I didn't include Charlotte, NC in my results here. Using my method, it's population footprint indicator for 150 mile radius is over 9.3 million (Greater than 4 of the 13 largest MSAs). But you are right, Trenton-Ewing may have the largest population footprint surrounding it. |
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Which banned troll are you? (btw this is an editted post. A far nicer one was here before I read your ridiculous response. I was just asking questions dude...) |
It would probably make more sense to include Micropolitan Areas. For example, using Census 2000 data, the 21 Metropolitan Areas within 150 miles of Detroit had 12.977,281, but when you include the 28 Micropolitan Areas within 150 miles of Detroit you get a population of 14,683,009. Granted, that doesn't include the Canadian side which would add another 1.8 million to the total with the likes of London (484,738--includes Elgin County), Kitchener (438,515), Windsor (374,975), Sarnia (126,971), Chatham-Kent (107,709), Norfolk (104,670), Woodstock (99,270), and Stratford (73,675). That would bring the grand total to 16,493,532.
*edit* I accidently put Oxford County in the London "MSA" and Elgin County in the Woodstock "MSA" when it should be the other way around. I also added Kitchener, Norfolk, and Stratford to the Canadian "MSA"s within Detroit's 150 mile radius. |
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It can only become generous or stingy if we assign some meaningful value to the statistic. If somebody comes along and claims that 150 miles approximates a city's "sphere of influence", for example, then that would be a topic of debate. But so far, I don't think anyone has done that. |
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But point taken. I was surprised by Detroit. It gets beat up on this forum so much. |
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In fact, my analysis can easily be done in any radius by the use of macros I created. Plus, I used the term population indicator. I even emphasize the term in the original post. I didn't used that term for no reason. In addition, I stated it was an estimation. Furthermore, I stated it included about 84% of the US population which is composed of 366 MSAs. So it does leave out US towns and places with population less than 55,000. It certainly wasn't my intention to say this was the definite population within any radius. I just thought it would be interesting to discuss or maybe share more of the analysis within any radius or additional MSAs. Maybe I was wrong. Moderators feel free to close. |
People often forget just how populated the "Rust Belt" still is, even after decades of population loss in certain areas. Detroit basically sits at the center with Chicago and Milwaukee to the west and Buffalo and Pittsburgh to the east.
BTW, if you include the 12 Micropolitan Areas within 150 miles of Boston on top of the 15 Metropolitan Areas already included, the population would jump to 13,902,461 using Census 2000 data. In other words, when Micropolitan Areas are included, Detroit jumps past Boston as far as this list particular list is concerned, that's especially true when you count the Canadian portion. (15.9 million vs 13.9 million) |
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Common man, you are a statistics/maps guy like myself. 150 miles is a bit strange...why not make it 500 miles while we're at it... Anyway, I'm done with this shit, have fun. This forum is beyond redemption, I've got better things to do...:rolleyes: |
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I can't deal with this shit anymore. Any form of community we had here is thoroughly brought to shit and every other post becomes a fight. You guys have fun with that... |
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New Haven is included. It's just not in the top 6 Largest when you include New York itself - its the 7th. For New York, there are 23 MSAs used for the calculation - just the 6 largest are listed. |
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