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Centropolis Dec 18, 2011 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty van Reddick (Post 5520258)
A lot of Americans CLAIM to have "native blood." Why they do this is a huge mystery to me- kids whose ancestors emigrated to the US generations after the forced removal of some tribes and the genocidal extermination of others near ANYplace those ancestors would have lived claimed- and this was pretty much every kid- to be "part Cherokee." This was a bullshit claim that exposed rank ignorance of the very existence of Native Americans in their part of the country and seems uniquely American- it's like Germans or Poles claiming to be "part Jewish."

This is I suppose part and parcel of the American fascination and fetishization of the Natives whom the European settlers and the US government killed off. I grew up in a state named Indiana in which there are, for all intents and purposes, no "Indians." I stayed in a motel outside Mammoth Cave NP in Kentucky that has cabins shaped like teepees- commemorating the complete slaughter or forced removal of the people who might have actually lived in them.

Being an American emigrant in western Canada, it's been a real learning experience getting past this romantic treatment of native Americans that people in the US midwest luxuriate in.

The American government committed genocide, not everyone processes that. Now, who do we put on trial? Yeah, I sort of understand the gist of your statement and I've seen that happen, more in the west and south than midwest, and it's extremely annoying (the claims of Cherokee blood) - I'm also familiar with a completely different kind of situation and I'm not going down that slippery road.

Let's focus on the here and now, late 2011. I don't agree with the liberties you take with what you generally think "Americans think" or what 307 million Americans are. I mean like a whole lot. Probably the only offensive/upsetting thing you could say about America, in my opinion, is that it is monolithic.

But, I digress. I came onto this board to learn about my good neighbor to the north. I'm also glad that you have been exposed to different experiences and points of view in Canada. I wish many more Americans would at least visit Canadian cities more often.

Marty_Mcfly Dec 18, 2011 4:51 AM

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Originally Posted by -Harlington- (Post 5520496)

Saturday's death is Halifax's 17th homicide in 2011.

That's pretty high, even for Halifax standards.

armorand93 Dec 18, 2011 9:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Centropolis (Post 5520556)
I wish many more Americans would at least visit Canadian cities more often.

I'd prefer if Americans MOVED here, before Rick Perry or Newt Gengrich cause a thermonuclear war as visually seen on the Great Canadian Skyline Thread

edit: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...fultoronto.jpg

Wharn Dec 18, 2011 4:12 PM

God dammit, London. 7th so far this year. All we know is someone was found dead at 466 Adelaide St. North, and some bloke was arrested. Police are being very tight-lipped.

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2.../19137601.html

Darkoshvilli Dec 19, 2011 3:43 AM

7 is not that bad compared to Halifax's 17.

vid Dec 19, 2011 11:41 PM

It's worse than Thunder Bay (on a per 100,000 rate), and we were the murder capital last year. We've actually done surprisingly well compared to the last few years. Not only is the number of actual homicides down to two, but the number of violent assaults that result in hospitalization is down, though the few that we had were pretty bad compared to previous years.

Our Christmas housefire season has started, though. Pretty much every night, something is catching fire up here. One guy's house got hit twice in a week, first because of a faulty lamp, and then he apparently got hit with arson (total coincidence). Not a very happy Christmas for him.

chrisallard5454 Dec 20, 2011 3:57 AM

It looks like Halifax will be the homicide capital. Even higher than Winnipeg and Edmonton. That leaves a rate of 5.9/100 000. Winnipeg and Edmonton both sit at 5.4. 17 in a city sounds like it belongs out west.

Andrewjm3D Dec 20, 2011 6:42 AM

Toronto still sits at 44 with only two weeks left in the year. The CBC has an up to date interactive map you can track the locations and descriptions of the homicides.

http://www.cbc.ca/toronto/features/homicide2011/

Last year we had 60, and in 2009 we had 61. I think as more people are moving into the core and areas gentrify and become more 24/7, neighborhoods in the city become safer.

Andrewjm3D Dec 20, 2011 6:49 AM

Wow, Edmonton is tied with Toronto at 44 murders - http://www.cbc.ca/edmonton/features/homicide/

Darkoshvilli Dec 20, 2011 7:39 AM

How are Regina and Saskatoon doing?

Only The Lonely.. Dec 20, 2011 9:05 AM

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Originally Posted by logan5 (Post 5518551)
Most criminals are a product of their environment - I thought this was obvious. Aboriginals are brought up time and time again and the insinuation is that aboriginals have a genetic predisposition towards crime.

You use the same logic that other groups use against Muslims and black people and so on. Or maybe you have scientific evidence you wish to disclose, because your good opinion that you're afraid to share... is useless.

I think issues of race and class are too often confused in this thread.

Generally speaking there's a lot of goodwill towards people of aboriginal ancestry, but there's also a lot of hatred towards bums and people who make excuses.

Only The Lonely.. Dec 20, 2011 9:13 AM

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Originally Posted by vid (Post 5520456)
It is indirectly a result of their ethnicity. They are more likely to commit crime because they live in poverty, and they're more likely to live in poverty because they're aboriginal.

How many millions have we sent Attawapiskat?

Maybe the fingers should be pointed at the chiefs..

vid Dec 20, 2011 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Only The Lonely.. (Post 5522711)
How many millions have we sent Attawapiskat?

Maybe the fingers should be pointed at the chiefs..

I would rather point the finger at the government that created and failed to update the law that determines how chiefs can use the money they're given. For all of his promises of accountability, Harper has failed to bring any to the Ministry of Indian and Northern Affairs.

As I said before, the single largest government office in Thunder Bay belongs to INAC. Whatever they're doing isn't show many decent results, and yet Harper has allowed this government waste, and a lack of accountability at the level of First Nations governments, to exist for almost 6 years. When is he going to do what he promised?

Blitz Dec 21, 2011 12:20 AM

7 is too high for London, need to get that down. I think the long term average is 5 or less.

miketoronto Dec 21, 2011 2:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrewjm3D (Post 5522643)
Toronto still sits at 44 with only two weeks left in the year. The CBC has an up to date interactive map you can track the locations and descriptions of the homicides.

http://www.cbc.ca/toronto/features/homicide2011/

Last year we had 60, and in 2009 we had 61. I think as more people are moving into the core and areas gentrify and become more 24/7, neighborhoods in the city become safer.


Toronto's murders were never really concentrated in the core areas, and in fact the murders are pretty much spread across the city, with a slightly higher number in the suburban districts.

ssiguy Dec 21, 2011 4:56 AM

I'm surprised by London as well. Still very low by Western Canadian standards.
Still, considering London has 370,000 that still is a rate of only about 1.8/100,000.

Andrewjm3D Dec 21, 2011 5:48 AM

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Originally Posted by miketoronto (Post 5523843)
Toronto's murders were never really concentrated in the core areas, and in fact the murders are pretty much spread across the city, with a slightly higher number in the suburban districts.

Those numbers are for the 416( Or Toronto), Mississauga murders or the like are not part of the equation. I'm not sure what your point is mike.

Dougler306 Dec 21, 2011 7:36 PM

suprisingly its been a quite year in regina for homcides, i dont no exact numbers, but last i heared we were at 11. Not sure about saskatoon, but were def not Number 1 like a few years ago

JHikka Dec 21, 2011 7:40 PM

Is there any way of getting numbers for past years for homicides in Canada? Like past yearly leaders? Maybe in a nice shiny graph or table? :haha:

davidivivid Dec 21, 2011 7:47 PM

Homicide in Canada, 2009 Statcan
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-.../11352-eng.htm

Chart 3
Highest homicide rates in Manitoba and Saskatchewan

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-...g/c-g3-eng.gif

Chart 4
Among the largest census metropolitan areas homicide rates highest in west

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-...g/c-g4-eng.gif

Chart 6
Use of firearms declines in 2009

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-...g/c-g6-eng.gif

Chart 8
Second lowest rate of females killed in over 30 years

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-...g/c-g8-eng.gif


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