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RST500 May 30, 2019 7:31 PM

Bay Area most racially segregated in recent history
 
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/...d-13902101.php


https://haasinstitute.berkeley.edu/r...ay-area-part-2


"Whites make up a majority of the eastern Bay Area counties, and are a majority of Napa, Marin and Sonoma counties. Even in diverse counties like Contra Costa and Alameda, whites are a majority in cities such as Walnut Creek, Concord, Lafayette, Moraga, Pleasant Hill, Martinez, Berkeley, Pleasanton, and Livermore.

Cities with the highest proportion of whites in the Bay Area are Belvedere (87.6 percent), Sausalito (84.9 percent), Mill Valley (83.4 percent), Sebastopol (83.2 percent) and Yountville (82.2 percent), and the cities with the highest proportion of Asian Americans relative to their population in their respective county are:

Alameda County (30.0 percent): Piedmont (70.3 percent)

Contra Costa County (16.7 percent): Lafayette (76.7 percent)

Marin County (6.0 percent): Belvedere (87.6 percent)

Napa County (8.0 percent): Yountville (82.2 percent)

San Mateo County (28.2 percent): San Carlos (69.8 percent)

Santa Clara County (36.3 percent): Monte Sereno (76.6 percent)

Solano County (15.6 percent): Rio Vista (76.7 percent)

Sonoma County (4.0 percent): Sebastopol (83.2 percent)"

dave8721 May 30, 2019 8:21 PM

Is the image big enough?

JAYNYC May 30, 2019 9:23 PM

As a former long time (San Francisco and Oakland) resident of the Bay Area, this comes as no surprise. Statistics aside, the entire metro felt overwhelmingly White and Asian. A few Hispanics in the Mission and San Jose and an inconsequential sprinkling of Blacks in the Tenderloin, E. Palo Alto and certain parts of Oakland that weren't being rapidly gentrified.

The irony is that in my conversations, many locals considered the entire area to be some sort of diverse, cultural melting pot - my observations and experiences couldn't differ more starkly from that description.

JAYNYC May 30, 2019 9:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dave8721 (Post 8589893)
Is the image big enough?

Exactly. The OP should either edit the post or post separately with a smaller image.

bnk May 30, 2019 9:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RST500 (Post 8589809)
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/...d-13902101.php



"Whites make up a majority of the eastern Bay Area counties, and are a majority of Napa, Marin and Sonoma counties. Even in diverse counties like Contra Costa and Alameda, whites are a majority in cities such as Walnut Creek, Concord, Lafayette, Moraga, Pleasant Hill, Martinez, Berkeley, Pleasanton, and Livermore.

Cities with the highest proportion of whites in the Bay Area are Belvedere (87.6 percent), Sausalito (84.9 percent), Mill Valley (83.4 percent), Sebastopol (83.2 percent) and Yountville (82.2 percent), and the cities with the highest proportion of Asian Americans relative to their population in their respective county are:

Alameda County (30.0 percent): Piedmont (70.3 percent)

Contra Costa County (16.7 percent): Lafayette (76.7 percent)

Marin County (6.0 percent): Belvedere (87.6 percent)

Napa County (8.0 percent): Yountville (82.2 percent)

San Mateo County (28.2 percent): San Carlos (69.8 percent)

Santa Clara County (36.3 percent): Monte Sereno (76.6 percent)

Solano County (15.6 percent): Rio Vista (76.7 percent)

Sonoma County (4.0 percent): Sebastopol (83.2 percent)"

These graphics are too small to read. Can you blow them up a bit.

homebucket May 30, 2019 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JAYNYC (Post 8589976)
As a former long time (San Francisco and Oakland) resident of the Bay Area, this comes as no surprise. Statistics aside, the entire metro felt overwhelmingly White and Asian. A few Hispanics in the Mission and San Jose and an inconsequential sprinkling of Blacks in the Tenderloin, E. Palo Alto and certain parts of Oakland that weren't being rapidly gentrified.

The irony is that in my conversations, many locals considered the entire area to be some sort of diverse, cultural melting pot - my observations and experiences couldn't differ more starkly from that description.

You must've not gotten out very much, if you as a supposed former Bay Area resident, claim it isn't diverse. Or maybe you lived there in the 1950s?

Did you look at the graphs? It shows that yes, African American population is declining, but so is the white population. The Asian American and Latino population are growing substantially. In fact, Latinos now comprise nearly 25% of the regional population. Alameda, Contra Costa, Napa, San Mateo, Santa Clara, Solano, and Sonoma counties all have Latino populations around 25% or higher. Not exactly a "few Hispanics in the Mission" like you claim.

Also, Asia is comprised of many different countries, so while you may think an area that is "overwhelmingly Asian" lacks diversity, that simply is not the case. There are many Indian, Filipino, Vietnamese, Korean, and Japanese people in the Bay Area. It's not just Chinese people, and even then, Chinese culture, is extremely diverse.

TexasPlaya May 30, 2019 10:41 PM

First world problems in regards to this specific context.

JAYNYC May 30, 2019 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by homebucket (Post 8590075)
You must've not gotten out very much, if you as a supposed former Bay Area resident, claim it isn't diverse. Or maybe you lived there in the 1950s?

Did you look at the graphs? It shows that yes, African American population is declining, but so is the white population. The Asian American and Latino population are growing substantially. In fact, Latinos now comprise nearly 25% of the regional population. Alameda, Contra Costa, Napa, San Mateo, Santa Clara, Solano, and Sonoma counties all have Latino populations around 25% or higher. Not exactly a "few Hispanics in the Mission" like you claim.

Also, Asia is comprised of many different countries, so while you may think an area that is "overwhelmingly Asian" lacks diversity, that simply is not the case. There are many Indian, Filipino, Vietnamese, Korean, and Japanese people in the Bay Area. It's not just Chinese people, and even then, Chinese culture, is extremely diverse.


I see you're in the Bay Area. What's your ethnicity? Because if it's what I think it is, your perspective validates the last sentence in my previous post (clueless naiveté re: the Bay Area's status as some sort of diverse cultural melting pot). I guess the stats provided by the OP are false, too - right? :rolleyes:

And the "overwhelmingly (White) and Asian" I was referring to (again, based on *my* Bay Area experience, interactions and observations) = Chinese and Indian. You blatantly implied that by "Asian", I was exclusively referring to Chinese, although I never stated that. But thanks for the tutorial. :rolleyes:

homebucket May 30, 2019 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAYNYC (Post 8590106)
I see you're in the Bay Area. What's your ethnicity? Because if it's what I think it is, your perspective validates the last sentence in my previous post (clueless naiveté re: the Bay Area's status as some sort of diverse cultural melting pot). I guess the stats provided by the OP are false, too - right? :rolleyes:

And the "overwhelmingly (White) and Asian" I was referring to (again, based on *my* Bay Area experience, interactions and observations = Chinese and Indian. But thanks for the tutorial. :rolleyes:

Sorry, but the only clueless person here is you. :rolleyes:

The numbers I provided are actually from the links provided by the OP. Try reading them. :rolleyes:

Zapatan May 30, 2019 11:25 PM

That makes sense, diversity for the sake of it is dumb and kind of a failure. I'm not saying that's how it should be but most humans have a deep sense of tribalism and little interest in being too close or friendly to people different than them. Not everyone is like this but a lot are.

JAYNYC May 30, 2019 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by homebucket (Post 8590109)
Sorry, but the only clueless person here is you. :rolleyes:

The numbers I provided are actually from the links provided by the OP. Try reading them. :rolleyes:

Also "actually provided by the OP":

Whites make up a majority of the eastern Bay Area counties, and are a majority of Napa, Marin and Sonoma counties. Even in diverse counties like Contra Costa and Alameda, whites are a majority in cities such as Walnut Creek, Concord, Lafayette, Moraga, Pleasant Hill, Martinez, Berkeley, Pleasanton, and Livermore.

Cities with the highest proportion of whites in the Bay Area are Belvedere (87.6 percent), Sausalito (84.9 percent), Mill Valley (83.4 percent), Sebastopol (83.2 percent) and Yountville (82.2 percent), and the cities with the highest proportion of Asian Americans relative to their population in their respective county are:

Alameda County (30.0 percent): Piedmont (70.3 percent)

Contra Costa County (16.7 percent): Lafayette (76.7 percent)

Marin County (6.0 percent): Belvedere (87.6 percent)

Napa County (8.0 percent): Yountville (82.2 percent)

San Mateo County (28.2 percent): San Carlos (69.8 percent)

Santa Clara County (36.3 percent): Monte Sereno (76.6 percent)

Solano County (15.6 percent): Rio Vista (76.7 percent)

Sonoma County (4.0 percent): Sebastopol (83.2 percent)"

If those ^ stats and statements re: the ethnic makeup of the Bay Area somehow paint a picture of "diversity" to you, you are the epitome of the delusional residents to which I initially referred. And oh, BTW, electing not to answer the question in my previous post only serves to further validate my position.

jtown,man May 31, 2019 12:37 AM

Ah, the old diversity game people on here love to brag about.

If I told you that a city was:

65% white
16% hispanic
13% black
5% asian

Would you think this was a diverse city? Well, this is about what America looks like, this would be incredibly diverse to me. However, among many people on this site, this would be *SOOOOO white*. Their idea of diversity is:

10% white
30% hispanic
30% black
30% asian

or...something along those lines. I am exaggerating of course, but still.

What is diversity? At what level do we consider something diverse or not? My city of Norfolk is nearly 50/50 white and black. I consider this diverse. Do we need to add in some hispanic or asian folks to create actual diversity? Or is two groups, roughly at the same level, considered diversity?

homebucket May 31, 2019 1:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JAYNYC (Post 8590135)
Also "actually provided by the OP":

Whites make up a majority of the eastern Bay Area counties, and are a majority of Napa, Marin and Sonoma counties. Even in diverse counties like Contra Costa and Alameda, whites are a majority in cities such as Walnut Creek, Concord, Lafayette, Moraga, Pleasant Hill, Martinez, Berkeley, Pleasanton, and Livermore.

Cities with the highest proportion of whites in the Bay Area are Belvedere (87.6 percent), Sausalito (84.9 percent), Mill Valley (83.4 percent), Sebastopol (83.2 percent) and Yountville (82.2 percent), and the cities with the highest proportion of Asian Americans relative to their population in their respective county are:

Alameda County (30.0 percent): Piedmont (70.3 percent)

Contra Costa County (16.7 percent): Lafayette (76.7 percent)

Marin County (6.0 percent): Belvedere (87.6 percent)

Napa County (8.0 percent): Yountville (82.2 percent)

San Mateo County (28.2 percent): San Carlos (69.8 percent)

Santa Clara County (36.3 percent): Monte Sereno (76.6 percent)

Solano County (15.6 percent): Rio Vista (76.7 percent)

Sonoma County (4.0 percent): Sebastopol (83.2 percent)"

If those ^ stats and statements re: the ethnic makeup of the Bay Area somehow paint a picture of "diversity" to you, you are the epitome of the delusional residents to which I initially referred. And oh, BTW, electing not to answer the question in my previous post only serves to further validate my position.

You clearly lack any reading comprehension. Just because there are small towns within the Bay Area that have a lot of white people, doesn't mean that "the ethnic makeup of the Bay Area" lacks diversity.

From the article: "The white population of the Bay Area was under 4 million as of the 2010 census, at just above 40 percent of the population. The proportion of whites living in the Bay Area has declined in both absolute and relative numbers in recent decades, although the direction has been uneven."

By comparison, NY metro is 51% white. According to your logic, if the Bay Area is "overwhelmingly white", then does that make NY catastrophically white? Aneurysm-inducingly white?

The data shows that the Bay Area is 42% white, 24% Latino, 24% Asian American, 6% African American. I'm sorry you've failed math.

Truthisgone May 31, 2019 1:26 AM

This is surprising how? Show me a white liberal who actually lives among minorities and practices what they preach and I'll give you 100 bucks.

JAYNYC May 31, 2019 2:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Truthisgone (Post 8590249)
This is surprising how? Show me a white liberal who actually lives among minorities and practices what they preach and I'll give you 100 bucks.

Holy sh*t! SOMEBODY gets it!!! :rolleyes:

JAYNYC May 31, 2019 2:08 AM

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Originally Posted by homebucket (Post 8590224)
You clearly lack any reading comprehension. Just because there are small towns within the Bay Area that have a lot of white people, doesn't mean that "the ethnic makeup of the Bay Area" lacks diversity.

From the article: "The white population of the Bay Area was under 4 million as of the 2010 census, at just above 40 percent of the population. The proportion of whites living in the Bay Area has declined in both absolute and relative numbers in recent decades, although the direction has been uneven."

By comparison, NY metro is 51% white. According to your logic, if the Bay Area is "overwhelmingly white", then does that make NY catastrophically white? Aneurysm-inducingly white?

The data shows that the Bay Area is 42% white, 24% Latino, 24% Asian American, 6% African American. I'm sorry you've failed math.


Sure thing, dude.

The Bay Area isn't overwhelmingly White and Asian, and the data that says it is is pure fiction.

In actuality, everyone knows the Bay Area is the Western world's undisputed diverse ethnic melting pot and a grand mecca of multicultural lifestyle.

I mean, you surely have that one Black friend who says so, right?

:rolleyes:

jtown,man May 31, 2019 3:22 AM

Is a place diverse if its 20% white, 40% hispanic, 40% asian and 0% black?

I feel like the "diversity games" puts more emphasis on certain races. It usually runs something like black>hispanic>asian>white.

Its weird to me and I honestly don't get it(like I don't actually get it, not trying to make a point). I don't even get the quest for diversity, Tokyo is one of the best spots on Earth, yet has nearly zero diversity. I've lived as a minority in Japan and San Antonio. I've lived in a small town in Arkansas of 7,000 people which was about 90% white. I've lived in black neighborhoods and currently in a near-evenly split city between blacks and whites. My experience in America has pretty much been the same.

The big difference for me has been urbanity. Otherwise, its all the same crap.

JAYNYC May 31, 2019 3:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jtown,man (Post 8590344)
Is a place diverse if its 20% white, 40% hispanic, 40% asian and 0% black?

Is Compton comprised primarily of Mormon residents?

mt_climber13 May 31, 2019 4:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Truthisgone (Post 8590249)
This is surprising how? Show me a white liberal who actually lives among minorities and practices what they preach and I'll give you 100 bucks.

:yeahthat:

JManc May 31, 2019 4:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jtown,man (Post 8590195)

What is diversity? At what level do we consider something diverse or not? My city of Norfolk is nearly 50/50 white and black. I consider this diverse. Do we need to add in some hispanic or asian folks to create actual diversity? Or is two groups, roughly at the same level, considered diversity?

A city with sizable white (American)/black (American)/ Hispanic (predominately Mexican/ Central American and lesser extent South American and the islands) and now Asian (and then here mostly limited to a handful of South and East Asian ethnicities) is not really "diverse", it's a typical cross section of most of big city America. Some cities have more of one group, others less. It's everything else that makes an area diverse. At least to me. This is why Toronto is hailed as being quintessentially diverse because they have people from everywhere there. Probably from other planets too...


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