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NYRebel Jun 30, 2014 10:51 PM

NEW YORK | 9 DeKalb (340 Flatbush) | 1,066 FT | 73 FLOORS
 
Brooklyn's New Tower, by SHoP, will sprout 775 Feet

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2014/0...t_775_feet.php

http://ny.curbed.com/uploads/340-Fla...sion-thumb.jpg

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Eagle-eyed Nikolai Fedak of New York YIMBY has done it again: spotted crucial permits filed with the Department of Buildings. This time, it's for 340 Flatbush Avenue Extension, between Fleet Street and DeKalb Avenue in Downtown Brooklyn, where the borough's new tallest tower will rise. According to the permits, JDS Development has tapped the go-to megaproject designers—SHoP Architects—to build a 70-story, 775-foot-tall tower skyscraper that will house 495 apartments. JDS and the Chetrit Group bought the assemblage earlier this month for $43 million; there will be 109,000 square feet of commercial space in the proposed 556,000-square-foot building.

About that height: it's significantly bigger than Brooklyn's current tallest tower 388 Bridge Street (590 feet), and what was set to be the tallest, the under-construction Avalon Willoughby West, at 596 feet. Prepare to be second fiddle, AWW. Everyone else: brace.
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01



ADDING 1,066 FT RENDER


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chris08876 Jun 30, 2014 11:02 PM

Brooklyn is on fire! :hyper:

I expect something nice as usual from SHoP Architects. Great news.

NYRebel Jun 30, 2014 11:11 PM

The fact that this is on the same block as the Juniors site (which could potentially soar to 1,000ft+) is what has me so excited!

Also this is right across the street from City-Point, phrase 3 will also be huge from the looks of things.

SHoP will deliver I'm sure of it. They love Brooklyn lol.

QUEENSNYMAN Jun 30, 2014 11:18 PM

Great news for Brooklyn, so "Whos is Bum now"!

NYguy Jun 30, 2014 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYRebel (Post 6637439)
The fact that this is on the same block as the Juniors site (which could potentially soar to 1,000ft+) is what has me so excited!


This site alone would account for nearly 800 ft, so if JDS in fact does get the Junior's site, the tower will grow to 1,000 plus, as was speculated. In that case, I'll just merge the threads.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/10/ny...ires.html?_r=0

At Junior’s Site, Bidders See Brooklyn, Too, as a City of Spires


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JUNE 9, 2014

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.....The plans remain tentative. Bidding on the Junior’s property kicks off this week and should conclude by month’s end, but a number of prominent developers are already salivating over the possibilities. If the right firm can buy up the land and air rights for the entire triangular block, it would be quite possible to reach a height as yet unheard-of in Brooklyn.

.....The team most likely to lead this charge — Michael Stern and Joseph Chetrit — knows a thing or two about tall towers. Mr. Stern, a 35-year-old developer, has already made his name with plans to turn the Steinway Hall site on West 57th Street in Manhattan into 1,350-foot tower. Mr. Chetrit, most famous around these parts for residential conversions of the Chelsea Hotel and the Sony Building, owns what is now America’s second tallest building, the Willis Tower in Chicago.

In December, they went to contract on 340 Flatbush Avenue Extension, a squat six-story office building next door to Junior’s. If they can win the bidding for Junior’s, and get Chase to sell them the air rights it owns above the Dime Savings, a landmark, there would be at least half a million square feet at their disposal, enough to carve a knife blade of a tower onto the skyline.


This could be plans for the full assembled development, but we'll have to see.
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01



Here's the floor breakdown...
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JB...allbin=3396179

1-3 retail
4 residential amenity space
5-6 apartments (9 per floor)
7-32 aparments (11 per floor)
33 mechanical
34-50 apartments (7 per floor)
51 mechanical
52-69 apartments (4 per floor)
70 mechanical

Perklol Jul 1, 2014 12:23 AM

The sale for the junior site is almost over! Who will win?

That also looks like a difficult site assemblage.

NYguy Jul 1, 2014 12:31 AM

I'm suspecting that JDS already has either the Junior's site or the air rights from the landmark next door.


Going back a bit..


http://www.nydailynews.com/life-styl...icle-1.1815243

JDS Development and Chetrit Group snap up Downtown Brooklyn site for new tower
Site is on one of Brooklyn's busiest corners



http://www.nydailynews.com/life-styl...cle-1.1815243#

June 3, 2014


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A new residential tower may be coming to one of Brooklyn's busiest corners.

A big Manhattan real estate player has snapped up an old office building across the block from Downtown's giant City Point development and has plans to raze it to make way for a new condo or rental building, sources told the Daily News.

The developer, JDS Development, bought the site at 340 Flatbush Ave. Ext., for $43.5 million, in partnership with former Chelsea Hotel owner the Chetrit Group.

The 174,000 square feet the developers can build as of right at the site could be configured in various ways, including as a stumpy 12-story building or as a slender tower with setbacks.

JDS CEO Michael Stern declined to comment on the transaction.

JDS and Chetrit will be building into what's becoming a fully-fledged rental development boom in Downtown Brooklyn, with giant rental towers like the 53-story 388 Bridge Street and the 57-story 188 Willoughby Street hitting the market.

NYRebel Jul 1, 2014 2:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 6637479)
This site alone would account for nearly 800 ft, so if JDS in fact does get the Junior's site, the tower will grow to 1,000 plus, as was speculated. In that case, I'll just merge the threads.

I'm a bit confused.

So what you're saying is if JDS gets the Junior site they'll probably combine both sites to create one super tall? Seeing as though this site is already going up to 800FT?

Onn Jul 1, 2014 2:12 AM

Brooklyn getting in on the action! (Which is not totally surprising.) I think instead of the title being just "New York", it should be just "Brooklyn" or "Brooklyn, New York".

NYRebel Jul 1, 2014 3:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onn (Post 6637611)
Brooklyn getting in on the action! (Which is not totally surprising.) I think instead of the title being just "New York", it should be just "Brooklyn" or "Brooklyn, New York".

There was a discussion before about this but in short it's not going to happen. It's unnecessary.

Brooklyn does = New York. If we're separating the boroughs then most threads would have to be converted into Manhattan, New York (which is equally as silly). New York City is one city no matter where in the 5 boroughs.

NYguy Jul 1, 2014 6:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYRebel (Post 6637595)
I'm a bit confused.

So what you're saying is if JDS gets the Junior site they'll probably combine both sites to create one super tall? Seeing as though this site is already going up to 800FT?

I'm saying I'm not sure that isn't already the case.

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The developer, JDS Development, bought the site at 340 Flatbush Ave. Ext., for $43.5 million, in partnership with former Chelsea Hotel owner the Chetrit Group.

The 174,000 square feet the developers can build as of right at the site could be configured in various ways



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The team most likely to lead this charge — Michael Stern and Joseph Chetrit — knows a thing or two about tall towers.

...In December, they went to contract on 340 Flatbush Avenue Extension, a squat six-story office building next door to Junior’s. If they can win the bidding for Junior’s, and get Chase to sell them the air rights it owns above the Dime Savings, a landmark, there would be at least half a million square feet at their disposal, enough to carve a knife blade of a tower onto the skyline.



You can see from filings with the City that the tower is for roughly that half million square feet...


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/156380177/original.jpg

NYguy Jul 7, 2014 3:10 PM

This tower will rise in the photo just in front of the Citypoint complex which is pictured under construction...


ericles1976

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5540/...5d1aa5e1_k.jpg

hunser Jul 7, 2014 3:39 PM

Wooot? I totally missed this project. Great news for Brooklyn! :cheers: And let's not forget the potential supertall at Junior's site ...

QUEENSNYMAN Jul 7, 2014 3:43 PM

Great news for Brooklyn, USA! Just asking do ya think Brooklyn will get even taller towers like this NYguy?

NYguy Jul 7, 2014 6:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hunser (Post 6644251)
Wooot? I totally missed this project. Great news for Brooklyn! :cheers: And let's not forget the potential supertall at Junior's site ...

Possibly merged...



Quote:

Originally Posted by QUEENSNYMAN (Post 6644256)
Great news for Brooklyn, USA! Just asking do ya think Brooklyn will get even taller towers like this NYguy?

Wouldn't surprise me a bit.

Tectonic Jul 7, 2014 6:10 PM

Hope SHoP does not hit us with more earth tones here.

NYguy Jul 8, 2014 10:43 AM

I've been wondering if the Junior's site was included in the filing, but I've seen no evidence that the lots have been merged. I still wonder how they've been able to get the zoning up to 556,000 sf ft. The Junior's site has 103,000 sf to build. I don't know about the air rights for the landmark at 9 DeKalb, but reportedly is has "several hundred thousand sf" of air rights to sell. The footprint of the Junior's site would seem too small to utilize those development rights, so maybe the sites will be merged, the filing to let any potential bidders on the Junior's site know what the deal is.



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steyin Jul 9, 2014 8:11 PM

As a native Brooklynite and architect at a residential/high rise firm, I'm not sure how I feel about more towers in Brooklyn itself. High priced condos is not what we need, but that's an argument for another day.

Also, knew about Junior's closing/being sold months before it was made public >_>

NYguy Jul 9, 2014 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steyin (Post 6647864)
As a native Brooklynite and architect at a residential/high rise firm, I'm not sure how I feel about more towers in Brooklyn itself. High priced condos is not what we need, but that's an argument for another day.


Well, regardless of how you feel about it, Brooklyn is getting more towers, that much is certain.

As far as the need for high priced condos, when there is no need, no more will be built. Demand will dictate that.

chris08876 Jul 9, 2014 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steyin (Post 6647864)
As a native Brooklynite and architect at a residential/high rise firm, I'm not sure how I feel about more towers in Brooklyn itself. High priced condos is not what we need, but that's an argument for another day.

Also, knew about Junior's closing/being sold months before it was made public >_>

Theres a good interview with Mr.Stern, the developer that hints at many more towers coming for Brooklyn. He mentions this because in Manhattan, it can cost more to purchase a land plot then to build a tower. Brooklyn is the next frontier in development. Expect hundreds of more high rises in Queens and Brooklyn over the next couple of years.

Interview (Supertall view): http://media.crainsnewyork.com/video...per-tall-tower

He's also building Brooklyns new tallest for now.

Interview (On construction in the city): The View on Real Estate: Michael Stern on the development biz

http://media.crainsnewyork.com/show/...evelopment-biz

NYguy Jul 14, 2014 11:54 AM

Video Link




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NYguy Jul 17, 2014 11:15 AM

http://nypost.com/2014/07/16/forget-...ondos-booming/

Forget rentals, Downtown Brooklyn condos booming


http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com...0&h=480&crop=1

Michelle Lipchin checks out the view from 388 Bridge St., a new condo/rental hybrid in Downtown Brooklyn. She is buying a one-bedroom there.


By Max Gross
July 16, 2014


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“The first two weeks were a gold rush.”

That’s how William Ross of Halstead described the pace of sales at 388 Bridge St., the 53-story rental/condo tower in Downtown Brooklyn that put its condos on the market in June.

Since then, 42 of the 60 units on the market have contracts out. (The building will have a total of 144 condo units when all are released, alongside 240 rentals, which are about 75 percent occupied.) The condos have been moving at around $1,150 to $1,200 per square foot — with the unreleased penthouses expected to go for $1,600 to $2,100 per square foot.

“We’re thinking of raising prices again,” says Ross. “We’ve raised prices twice already.”

These condos have attracted young and old; families and singles — everybody who wants one elusive thing: To buy in Downtown Brooklyn, where rentals have reigned supreme in recent years.

“There’s very little to buy,” says Michelle Lipchin, who, while living at the Brooklyner, a 491-unit rental, decided she wanted to purchase something in the area. She looked at a few lackluster resales until she found a roughly 700-square-foot one-bedroom unit at 388 Bridge that she’s now in contract for.

“Downtown Brooklyn was largely rental-driven since Lehman Brothers fell,” says Doug Bowen of Core. Prior to that, condos like Toren and 110 Livingston took root, but when the market crashed, developers stuck with the safer investment. “Most of the development — especially anything of size like the Brooklyner, or [the upcoming] Avalon Bay — was rental.”

But perhaps 388 Bridge signals a change — are developers in Downtown Brooklyn going to start turning once again to condos?

....A number of residential buildings in the works have been notably mum about their intentions: Oro 2, the sister building of Oro, which was one of the pioneer condos of Downtown Brooklyn, is well underway even though the developers won’t say whether the finished product will be condo or rental.

Back in February, Brooklynites were beating their breasts when they found out that Junior’s was selling its location to developers. No deal has been finalized, but “If someone’s going to pay the price anticipated, which is $400 to $500 buildable, someone’s going to choose to do condos,” says Stephen Palmese, a partner with Massey Knakal.

JDS Development’s 340 Flatbush Ave. Extension, which SHoP is designing and at 70 stories will be the tallest building in Brooklyn when it’s finished, will consist of 555,000 square feet of space. But the developers say they still aren’t sure whether they’re going to make its 495 units rentals or condos.

.....Back in February, Brooklynites were beating their breasts when they found out that Junior’s was selling its location to developers. No deal has been finalized, but “If someone’s going to pay the price anticipated, which is $400 to $500 buildable, someone’s going to choose to do condos,” says Stephen Palmese, a partner with Massey Knakal.

JDS Development’s 340 Flatbush Ave. Extension, which SHoP is designing and at 70 stories will be the tallest building in Brooklyn when it’s finished, will consist of 555,000 square feet of space. But the developers say they still aren’t sure whether they’re going to make its 495 units rentals or condos.

It should be noted that JDS’s founder, Michael Stern, is one of the most outspokenly bullish people in New York real estate when it comes to Brooklyn.

“In Manhattan, land costs are higher than the costs to build a building,” says Stern. “In Brooklyn, that’s not the case — there’s quite a bit of room for growth. And there are a large crop of people who are choosing to live in Brooklyn as their first choice.”

Which definitely helps explain why developers have been so focused on Brooklyn. But something else is driving the trend towards condos instead of more rentals — and that is the explosion in land prices.

.....all of the commercial and retail development in the works is only going to make the area more attractive for buyers.

City Point, for instance, the 1.9 million-square-foot complex (of rental and retail) which will be released in phases and completed in 2020, promises 700,000 square feet of retail, including an Alamo Drafthouse theater and a CityTarget.

“There’s been significant growth in retail in last 7 years, but we still think there’s a tremendous gap,” says Paul Travis, managing partner of Washington Square Partners, which is developing City Point. As for future commercial tenants, “It’s going to be very Brooklyn.” By that he means artisan and local.

Collectively all this development has attracted the kind of buyer who never before would have considered Downtown Brooklyn.

chris08876 Jul 17, 2014 11:20 AM

Given the market for condos along the East Coast, I'd say its a safe bet to go for them. The condominium market is still going strong for many cities in the U.S.. It would probably be a safe investment, especially in Brooklyn. Although LIC will become the next DoBro soon enough.

NYguy Sep 9, 2014 4:40 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/09/ny...move.html?_r=0

Legendary Restaurant Is to Stay in Brooklyn
Owner of Junior’s Rethinks a Move



http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/...ticleLarge.jpg


By VIVIAN YEE
SEPT. 8, 2014


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Junior’s Restaurant has earned a lot of superlatives since it opened in Downtown Brooklyn on Election Day in 1950, among them the one that adorns every orange takeout box: “The Best Cheesecake in N.Y. — New York Magazine” (a distinction that dates to 1973, but still).

It was headed for another distinction this year, when Alan Rosen, who took over the business in 1992 and whose family has owned the restaurant since its first cheesecake, decided to sell the two-story building. In a neighborhood where real estate brokers talk about record-setting prices and rents the way pilots used to talk about breaking the sound barrier, the sale was major news. Offers to buy and build an apartment tower poured in from Brooklyn, Manhattan and abroad. The highest bid: $450 per buildable square foot, well over the previous high for Brooklyn of $350, for a total of $45 million in cash.

“That’s a lot of cheesecake,” said Mr. Rosen — who, nevertheless, and after much agonizing, a visit to his therapist and a series of sleepless nights, turned it down.

“This is Junior’s identity, is this building. This is the one where I came on my first dates. It’s where my family spent most of their waking hours,” he said in an interview on Monday, about a week after making his decision, as he contemplated his stewardship of a legend in Brooklyn. “Not the one down the street, not the one below 20 stories of condos. This one.”

When Mr. Rosen, 45, put the site up for sale in February, he said he would insist that the buyer bring Junior’s back to the ground floor of any new building. In the meantime, he said, the restaurant would open at another Brooklyn location and temporarily relocate the flagship within the neighborhood. (It also has outposts in Times Square, Grand Central Terminal and at Foxwoods Resort Casino in Connecticut.) But he wavered over the summer, saying he would consider leaving the building permanently for the right offer.

The $45 million offer would not have accommodated a ground-floor Junior’s.


Mr. Rosen said he also received offers worth half that amount that would have allowed the restaurant to return, but after receiving disappointed calls from customers and talking it over with his longtime employees, his wife and his 81-year-old father, Walter Rosen, who still walks around the dining room some mornings, he decided he could not give it up.

Though Mr. Rosen insists the turnabout was a personal decision, not an attempt to preserve the old Downtown Brooklyn of which Junior’s is one of the few remnants, he is bucking a trend.

Once, Junior’s was the flashiest place around, bathing the corner of Flatbush Avenue Extension and DeKalb Avenue in neon-lit glory as presidents and princes flocked to its cheesecake cases. Now it is overshadowed, literally, by a nearby thicket of glassy spires that has risen over the past decade. Developers have built more than 30 apartment towers in the neighborhood, with nearly 30 more on the way.

In February, Robert Knakal, the broker on the not-quite-sale, declared the Junior’s location “the best site in Brooklyn.” On Monday, he was philosophical about watching his record-setting deal evaporate, even though, he said, “We always like to set pricing records.”

Mr. Knakal said he was consoling himself with the prospect of a couple of properties that would “probably” break the $500-per-square-foot barrier.

Mr. Rosen, for his part, was daydreaming about his customers’ telling him, “I’m so glad you guys are staying.”

“I’m not just running a restaurant,” he said. “I’m running something that has such a heritage and such a tradition for so many people here in Brooklyn, that it just can’t be replaced.”

Crawford Sep 9, 2014 4:53 AM

So if Juniors is staying, they're almost certainly selling their air rights to the adjacent development site (340 Flatbush).

Should be interesting to see what happens on this block.

NYguy Sep 9, 2014 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 6722211)
So if Juniors is staying, they're almost certainly selling their air rights to the adjacent development site (340 Flatbush).

Should be interesting to see what happens on this block.


Yeah, they would likely still sell the air rights. There's more to the story than has been reported. He gets to look like the "hero" for staying (I've seen the news reports on tv), but can still take money.


The junior's site itself (shown below as tax lot 60) is just a portion of the site.


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/156481820/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/156481971/original.jpg

NYguy Sep 15, 2014 3:30 PM

They're moving forward...

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=02

Quote:

09/12/2014

STRUCTURAL WORK AS SHOWN ON DRAWINGS FILED HEREWITH.

NYguy Sep 27, 2014 3:22 PM

http://www.brooklyneagle.com/article...ction-part-two

What's up with Downtown Brooklyn residential construction? Part Two


http://www.brooklyneagle.com/sites/d...cee17ea40389cf

Downtown Brooklyn towers overshadow the Avalon Willoughby West development — for now. When completed, the new building will be Brooklyn's tallest.


http://www.brooklyneagle.com/sites/d...?itok=AQPFXVRa

Avalon Willoughby West stands several stories above its construction fence.



By Lore Croghan
September 17, 2014


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Avalon Willoughby West, 100 Willoughby St.

The structural framework of Avalon Willoughby West has risen several stories above its construction fence.

Give it time — and this 57-story residential skyscraper that AvalonBay is building at 100 Willoughby St. will become the tallest tower in Brooklyn, its height just barely surpassing that of neighboring 388 Bridge St.

A spokesman for AvalonBay confirmed that 100 Willoughby will have 826 rental apartments, and told Eye on Real Estate the process of marketing them will start next spring.

The first apartments should be ready for occupancy next July or August and construction should be completed in September 2016, he said.


City Point, 70 Fleet St. and 336 Flatbush Ave. Extension

Two rental apartment towers are starting to soar at City Point, the 1.8 million-square-foot development that Washington Square Partners and Acadia Realty Trust are building on the site of the former Albee Square Mall.

Shoppers know City Point by the already finished Fulton Mall-facing retail building at 1 DeKalb Ave. that houses Armani Exchange.

From Flatbush Avenue Extension, the project has an entirely different — and quite dramatic — look, with new construction topped by yellow panels that glow like a golden crown.

We got word from a spokeswoman for the developers that the anticipated completion date for 250-unit Tower 1 is the end of next year, and half the apartments in the building will be affordable.

This building, whose address is 70 Fleet St., will be 27 stories tall, city Buildings Department filings indicate.

The anticipated completion date for 440-unit Tower 2 is mid-2016, the spokeswoman said.

This building, whose address is 336 Flatbush Ave. Extension, will be 38 stories tall, according to Buildings Department records.

By the way, commercial tenants headed for City Point include Alamo Drafthouse Cinema, discount fashion powerhouse Century 21 and City Target, which is a smaller-format version of popular (or at least it's popular with people whose credit and debit card info didn't get stolen) retailer Target.


340-366 Flatbush Ave. Extension

Plans have been drawn up for a 70-story skyscraper — which would knock the other contenders for Brooklyn's tallest building out of the running — at a site that's sandwiched between City Point and iconic cheesecake purveyor Junior's Restaurant.

The existing office building at 340-366 Flatbush Ave. Extension hasn't yet been demolished. But this is where Michael Stern's JDS Development intends to build a 775-foot tower with 495 apartments and 109,000 square feet of commercial space, a city Buildings Department filing indicates.


http://www.brooklyneagle.com/sites/d...?itok=1PcQafxW

A closer look at the towers rising up at City Point.


http://www.brooklyneagle.com/sites/d...?itok=WSQsd1gE

That's Junior's to the left and City Point to the right. The building between them, 340-366 Flatbush Ave. Extension, is the site where a 70-story skyscraper is planned.

NYguy Sep 29, 2014 12:41 PM

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=03

Quote:

INSTALL MECHANICAL DUCTWORK.PLUMBING FIXTURES AND RELATED PIPING AS SHOWN ON DRAWINGS FILED HEREWITH.

NYguy Oct 2, 2014 11:34 PM

Listed among the newbies...


http://www.6sqft.com/living-in-the-c...he-sky-part-i/

Living in the Clouds: 50 New York Residential Towers Poised to Scrape the Sky (Part I)


http://www.6sqft.com/wp-content/uplo...-Part-1-02.jpg


OCTOBER 2, 2014
BY ONDEL HYLTON


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340 Flatbush Avenue Extension

Downtown Brooklyn
SHoP Architects | JDS Development
70 floors | 775 feet
495 units | 561,104 SF
Fall 2016


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Image shown for massing purposes only

chris08876 Oct 3, 2014 12:08 AM

^^^^

Very nice findings NyGuy. ;)

It really puts things into perspective. Nine supertalls with residential function. Looking forward to next week.

Quote:

Stay tuned next week when we take the list down to 500 feet, an accepted benchmark defining skyscraper height.
514 Eleventh Avenue btw looks so imposing. What I would really like to see but I would imagine that it would be daunting is a list of every highrise (12/13 floors or greater) that has been built during this boom.

steyin Oct 6, 2014 3:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 6753429)
Listed among the newbies...


http://www.6sqft.com/living-in-the-c...he-sky-part-i/

OCTOBER 2, 2014
BY ONDEL HYLTON

Nice to see, I went to college with Ondel :)

NYguy Oct 6, 2014 3:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 6753482)
^^^^

Very nice findings NyGuy. ;)

What I would really like to see but I would imagine that it would be daunting is a list of every highrise (12/13 floors or greater) that has been built during this boom.


It's getting to where you need to be at least 30 floors in the outer boroughs (I'd say minimum 50 Manhattan) to get noticed.

Hopefully, this tower will be a defining landmark, similar to the way the Williamsburg was for all those years in Brooklyn. Same for CityPoint 3.


A look at the last two tallest...


joedoakes0188

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https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3841/...15d7d1c0_h.jpg

NYguy Oct 7, 2014 9:40 PM

The breakdown of floors...

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/BS...de=ES386762255

1-3.... retail
4.... residential amenity space
5-6.... nine apartments each
7-32.... eleven aparments each
33.... mechanical
34-50.... seven aparments each
51.... mechanical
52-69.... four apartments each
70.... mechanical

Gantz Oct 9, 2014 7:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYRebel (Post 6637650)
There was a discussion before about this but in short it's not going to happen. It's unnecessary.

Brooklyn does = New York. If we're separating the boroughs then most threads would have to be converted into Manhattan, New York (which is equally as silly). New York City is one city no matter where in the 5 boroughs.

I'd still like to have a separate diagram for Brooklyn for example. It's probably the largest place in the US without one.

NYguy Dec 18, 2014 10:07 PM

Junior's may not be for sale, but there are more air rights at play...
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...=210991&page=2


http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/12/...brooklyn-bank/

JPMorgan Chase asking $100M-plus for ex-Brooklyn bank
Former site of Dime Savings holds hundreds of thousands of unused development rights



http://s11.therealdeal.com/trd/up/2014/12/9-dekalb.jpg


December 18, 2014


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JPMorgan Chase is putting the former Dime Savings Bank of New York in Downtown Brooklyn on the market for more than $100 million.

The landmarked bank hired a Massey Knakal Realty Services team led by Bob Knakal and James Nelson to market the neo-Roman building at 9 DeKalb Avenue, Crain’s reported. Chase is relocating its operations there to 490 Fulton Street, also in Downtown Brooklyn.

“This is an incredible asset that is one of the best buildings to hit the market in Brooklyn,” Knakal told Crain’s. “It holds a lot of exciting possibilities.”

The site boasts hundreds of thousands of unused development rights, which could be sold to the buyer of the Junior’s site at 386 Flatbush Avenue next door, as previously reported.


http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...-100m-plus-buy

B'klyn landmark could become $100M-plus buy
JPMorgan Chase puts old Dime Savings Bank, next door to Junior's, on the market. Air rights account for bulk of its value.



http://www.crainsnewyork.com/apps/pb...20141218105742


BY DANIEL GEIGER
DECEMBER 18, 2014


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Even more valuable than the building itself are the 285,000 square feet of development rights that come with the landmark. Residential construction in downtown Brooklyn is booming, and as Crain’s previously reported, the Dime Savings Bank building sits next to several potential development sites that could be the locations of some of the tallest towers in the borough.

Among those who could get a big height boost to their project is developer Michael Stern, who is planning to erect a residential tower at 340 Flatbush Ave. Extension that is eligible to receive additional air rights from the bank. The bank building also abuts the famous Brooklyn eatery Junior's, whose owner has floated the idea in recent months of selling the property. A buyer of that site could also utilize the bank's air rights to build a soaring tower.

chris08876 Dec 20, 2014 12:46 AM

With the extra air rights, this looks like it could breach the 900 foot mark. If we are lucky, maybe this will be the first Brooklyn supertall... :fingerscrossed:

Bring a slice of 57th Street to Brooklyn. Stern is the man to do it, he thinks big and this could be it.

NYguy Dec 21, 2014 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 6851090)
With the extra air rights, this looks like it could breach the 900 foot mark. If we are lucky, maybe this will be the first Brooklyn supertall... :fingerscrossed:

Bring a slice of 57th Street to Brooklyn. Stern is the man to do it, he thinks big and this could be it.


Yes, especially considering that small footprint. Adding 285,000 sf (more than the steinway addition itself) would send this one well above the current proposed height. And as we've seen with other towers after initial filings (111 W. 57th, 125 Greenwich, etc.), we could eventually see a larger tower here.


http://www.6sqft.com/wp-content/uplo.../10/flatty.jpg
(illustrative purposes only)



I'm also curious as to where Extell stands, as the planned CityPoint phase 3 tower is also a neighbor.



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/158589356/original.jpg



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http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/158589358/original.jpg

NYguy Dec 30, 2014 6:30 PM

A better view of a bustling Brooklyn...who will get the crown? Stern or Barnett?


dougschneiderphoto

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Zapatan Dec 30, 2014 6:38 PM

775 feet in Brooklyn? Awesome :D

I hope Queens joins in getting a new tallest soon

chris08876 Dec 30, 2014 6:50 PM

^^^

Keep in mind that this could gain some extra height due to the extra development rights. So really, this could breach the 900 foot mark. Time will tell. The race is on when it comes to who will get the tallest. Is it Queens, Brooklyn, or even JC. The race to the first supertall.

In terms of highrises, Queens is really shining on the category. The recent December permit frenzy is revealing that Queens is leading the boroughs when it comes to construction; especially in the over 12 floor category.

NYguy Feb 26, 2015 6:06 PM

Posting from the 111 thread. Though not confirmed, Brooklyn was mentioned as one of the locations of SHoP's 4 supertalls currently in the works in New York...let's speculate.
(Also, though SHoP is working on this tower, they could also be working for Barnett on CityPoint 3.)



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SHoP is working on 4 towers of over 1,000 ft tall, (13:18) though he couldn't go into specifics at this time. He mentions them as:

- 111 w 57th

- the High Line

- Brooklyn

- Lower Manhattan

http://sma.sciarc.edu/video/gregg-pa...ver-ever-dont/


http://www.pbase.com/image/159282198/original.jpg

NYguy Feb 27, 2015 12:47 AM

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01

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02/26/2015

INSTALLATION OF 445 LINEAR FEET OF HEAVY DUTY SIDEWALK SHED DURING BUILDING ALTERATION

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01

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02/26/2015

INTERIOR DEMOLITION AS SHOWN ON DRAWINGS FILED HEREWITH.

NYguy Feb 27, 2015 3:12 PM

BTW, there's only one dot on that NY project map where both the Extell and JDS towers would be, so I'm going to go ahead and say the supertall Brooklyn project (which Gregg Pasquarelli says would be by far the tallest in Brooklyn) would be this one.

hunser Feb 27, 2015 4:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 6931049)
BTW, there's only one dot on that NY project map where both the Extell and JDS towers would be, so I'm going to go ahead and say the supertall Brooklyn project (which Gregg Pasquarelli says would be by far the tallest in Brooklyn) would be this one.

That's very intriguing. It's about time Brooklyn gets a solid, nicely designed supertall.

NYguy Feb 27, 2015 5:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hunser (Post 6931138)
That's very intriguing. It's about time Brooklyn gets a solid, nicely designed supertall.

Yes, and beyond that, a nicely designed tower. Brooklyn has been seeing a steady stream of crap - nice development, but nothing to write home about architecturally. And I'm not hard to please. So hopefully SHoP will give us something not only noteworthy for it's height, but something Brooklyn can be proud of and glad to claim as tallest.

NYRebel Feb 28, 2015 3:21 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 6931266)
Yes, and beyond that, a nicely designed tower. Brooklyn has been seeing a steady stream of crap - nice development, but nothing to write home about architecturally. And I'm not hard to please. So hopefully SHoP will give us something not only noteworthy for it's height, but something Brooklyn can be proud of and glad to claim as tallest.

Wow! 1,000 FT+ in Brooklyn. I knew they day would come but this is sooner than I thought (which is cool). This is exciting for the borough and the city as a whole !

I agree however, this tower has to be stunning. It'll be a signature tower for the borough for a while (most likely) so SHoP must deliver something spectacular. I believe they will.

Great video finding NYGuy lets hope for the best!

NYguy Feb 28, 2015 5:34 AM

^ Yeah, and there's still the matter of what Barnett has planned for Citypoint 3. That's a little further off, but it would be something if Extell topped JDS here like JDS did with 111 and One57. They should play that game around the city, wherever one builds, the other follows. And we decide who did it better...... :coolugh:

NYguy Mar 6, 2015 2:26 PM

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01

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03/04/2015

INSTALLATION OF SCAFFOLD AS PER DRAWINGS.

Surrealplaces Mar 6, 2015 3:37 PM

Awesome stuff going on in Brooklyn these days :cheers:

I take it there still isn't a rendering for this one, only the massing image?


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