I guess it should be pointed out, that the poll allows multiple choices:
River's Crossing Team is unfortunately not in the poll: it's link was broken before, but now it's up. I stuck it in my "good" category. |
I voted for Arup & Kasian.
One thing missing from the majority of the proposals is that it doesn't show how the bridge will interact with the island, which I think is important. |
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Maybe it's just the rendering, but the piping of the Kasian proposal feels a little wimpy to me. It kind of feels like they got it out of the playground swing parts bin...I wish it had some more contrast of thicknesses to help it flow more (like the other fly fishing one does).
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So anyone else a little surprised there aren't any real big international names on this list (besides that skankasaurus Arup)? I wonder if the short timeline and the whole money-issue was part of it.
And speaking of which, why didn't we get Gaged? |
^ I'm guessing it has something to do with the competition structure. If there was simply an Request for Qualifications put out, then a shortlisting based on that moving into conceptual design with a generous stipend, I'm sure more big names would have entered.
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I'm really liking the Arup + Kasian one, thinking it is my leading choice followed closely by SPF Glide.
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I'm also quite surprised by how many proposals treated the entry/exit point on the island as a secondary thought.
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Busby Perkins
Arup Kasian River Crossing Team Sturgess H&Y - the Reach Several others that I like too. |
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If we're moving the discussion here, I thought I should repost.
Wow, there's a lot of bridges there. Not that I'm a regular or anything, but here's my three groupings and five word reviews (I haven't been reading most of the comments yet): Dynamic - bridges that I wouldn't mind seeing built Arup / Kasian - Extraneous curves distract from blandness. Busby Perkins and Will - Calatravian, but nicely executed nonetheless. Halcrow Yolles, The Reach - Neat concept: invisible cables worrying. Infinity Engineering Team - Big nets: love/hate relationship. Manu Chugh - Just the basics, with flair. SPF:A/Arup (Glide) - Wonderfully understated, but not iconic. Sturgess Architecture - McDonald's presents: two bridges humping. Decent - bridges that would be missed opportunities, but not terrible Bosen Lu - Actually pretty striking, grade: B+ Buckland and Taylor - New bridge genre: cable stayeadequate. DeJong Design - Guess who really likes arcs? Delcan and DTAH - Like curves, hate island access. Endres Ware and Ammann & Whitney - Less terrible than it looks? Halcrow Yolles, Eddy and Flow - World's fussiest flat concrete deck. Marc Boutin - Free spire with every bridge! RFR / Halsall - Yup, it's simple. Too simple. Rosales and Partners - Look, Santiago! Two bent spires! Rogers Stirk Harbour - Peace Bridge stole your thunder. Saucier + Perotte - Hey, you dropped your pipe. SPF:A/Arup (O-Bar) - A crapshoot, depends on materials. The River's Crossing Team - Apostrophe is possessive - e.g "Calatrava's" Disaster - hey, the competition's open to everyone Abes Wagner - Wake me when it's over. Arup with Falko Schmitt - Not bad, didn't rock me. Arup and Federic Schwartz - Big pole compensates for something. Associated Engineering 1 - Rollercoaster screams "Look at me!" Associated Engineering 2 - Flat deck = more gimmick space. Brett Lowe - Beware, giant triangle ahead. CH2M Hill 1 - Bad photoshop hides bland bridge. CH2M Hill 2 - A spike won't improve it. Design Vision - Let's draw a crayon castle! Erin Swift - How'd it get washed downstream? IBI Group - Big arc: study in underwhelmingness. Team IBHL - We've already got one, you see. Zhiyi You - Sketchup tutorial seven: tinkertoy bridges. Sorry, one was 6 words, but I didn't want to edit a Monty Python quote. Key themes I noticed: - Boy, does one white steel cable-stayed bridge look like another after a while. - A few decent entries (O-Bar, Delcan) have terrible access for cyclists to St. Pat's. A 90 degree turn is hard on a bike, in narrow space, in a crowd, at low speed. - The tubular ones aren't all that bad, but I'm not sure Calgary needs to become Tube Bridge City anytime soon. (If there were five being built, maybe. But with the mix of existing bridges, I'd like more variety.) |
Good analysis Byebyebaby - I couldn't agree more with you about white cable-stay bridges. This is why I'm glad Calatrava's peace bridge is something very different than that.
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Reposting my comments from the other thread:
Rosales: Looks pretty good - but a Calatrava ripoff Design Vision: LOL Manu Chugh: I like how the arches flow together, I like the asymmetry. Doesn't look like the entrance treatment has been addressed at this point, but plenty of time for that. Zhiyi You: One image is tough to get a full impression, looks like a modern version of those steel arch bridges. Rogers Stirk: Props for doing something at least somewhat different, but a little too "Old Railway Trestle Bridgey" for me. I also like bridges that are at least somewhat open to the sky. Buckland & Taylor: Bridge looks good, similar to some Calatrava designs. Would be fairly striking. Brett Lowe: Don't really know what he's trying to go for here. I don't really like it, but would like to hear his explanation. Erin Swift: Location is different that what was asked for, a location that would cut the island in half. Bridge looks ok, but really nothing special. Bridge Towers wouldn't be tall enough to be striking. Busby Perkins: One of my top 3, I think. I love the towers that don't continue through to the ground. Marc Boutin: Nice and flowing, would look good. Perhaps not as striking as some others. Landmark tower seems tacked on. Would like to see more details. Associated Engineering: Option 2 - too oriented on the Island Plaza. Not enough thought into the bridge. Option 1 - Could use a different colour. Glad that it not just a plain tower, but a little too fancy just for the sake of being fancy for my tastes. Arup with Falko Schmitt: The budget is $25 million not $10 million. Too simple and plain. Why bother submitting this? DeJong: Perhaps a little busy, but could be good with some tweaking. I like the twin arches. Halcrow Yolles (the Reach): Looks Good, Does it work? Need a better rendering. Halcrow Yolles (Eddy and Flow): I love the flowing nature of the bridge, the "twin bridge" look I like too. Both Halcrow and Yolles Bridges could be finalists, one of them probably will be. Delcan: A little bit simple, but sometimes simple is good. I like how the bridge just flows into the ramp down to the island. IBI Group: Calatrava's doen it before, ramp to island is too much of an afterthought (seems to be a common one of my complaints about these bridges) Sturgess: Would be quite striking. I like the lane seperation. Would like to see more detail of the ramp down to the island, and how that integrates with the rest. Probably one of my favourites. CH2M Hill: Option 2 - why did they even bother submitting this? There isn't anything about it. Option 1 - We've seen the Cable Stayed bridge many times before - this adds nothing to the architectural discussion. Endress Ware: Looks pretty good, would like to see a better rendering. COuld have potential. Arup Kasian: Certainly would be memorable. Suits my tastes, but the one "arch" doesn't seem like it does anything. Would like to see the deck details/treatment. Team IBHL: We're already getting this bridge, we don't need another one. Ramp to island seems like an afterthought. The river's crossing team: Looks pretty good, A suspension bridge design that I haven't really seen before. Probably one of my favourites. Infinity Engineering: Good Lighting could make it look spectacular at night. If you take the bridge that doesn't stop in the middle, then change your mind, you have to walk back to one of the ends. Certainly looks good. Would "waste" quite a bit of space on the island. RFR Halsall: A little bit too simple, I think. Ramp to island is an afterthought. Saucier & Perotte: Would probably look cool from outside the bridge, but who wants to walk through a tunnel when the views from the bridge will be so nice? A total fail in my mind. SPF:a (O-bar): Too enclosed in my mind, and too much of a wall. I'm glad something different was proposed, but I really don't think it works here. Arup Fredric Schwartz: Meh, not really inventive at all. Design isn't new at all. Bosen Lu: At least a little bit different then other cable stayed bridges we've seen. Would certainly be striking, and could look good with good lighting. I'm not sure how it integrates with the island. If it's on there, it's an afterthought. Abes Wagner: A suspension bridge. Did you really think that this would win? Why bother submitting this? The ramp isn't an afterthought, but the whole bridge is totally uninspired. SPF:a (Glide): An idea that certainly has potential. it's a bridge that is more than just a bridge. What would make of break the design is the little details. How do you make the stairs look "elegant" and yet modern? The design doesn't seem to have railings along the top bike path, bikes may not like a slippery bridge in the winter, where they could crash down so far. Needs refinement. Would like to see this design continue on so that it can receive that refinement. If this bridge would go ahead to be built, I'd like to see the stiars facing the island be able to be used as ampitheatre seating, or something like that. Lighting could also be key, it could look really neat with the right lighting at night. |
I'm with you guys, there's a little too much Calatrava going on in a lot of these....however, I do think the Rosales and Partner's one is rather handsome. We can just lie and tell tourists that Santiago gave us a 2 for 1.
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Come Surreal... Get with the pics already. :whip: ;)
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^ CMLC took down the links for a while - they're now relocated in a slightly more user friendly way:
http://www.calgarymlc.ca/rivers_projects/st._patrick's_bridge/conceptual_design_competition_-_st._patrick's_bridge/all_submissions/ |
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