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dennis1 Nov 23, 2011 1:52 AM

Second Toronto NHL Team?
 
Proposal for Markham Arena?

http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/bob_mckenzie/?id=381071

MolsonExport Nov 23, 2011 2:01 AM

About as likely as the Beatles getting back together.

shreddog Nov 23, 2011 2:16 AM

Second ME on this one ... BTW, shouldn't this be in the Toronto section? Or at least the Ontario section??

Rico Rommheim Nov 23, 2011 2:26 AM

many big cities in the world have more than 1 football club, or cricket team or Baseball team, or whatever. Why not in hockey?

That said, are Torontonians that fed up with the laughs that they want to re-tool from scratch?

dtgeek Nov 23, 2011 4:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Rico Rommheim (Post 5490029)
many big cities in the world have more than 1 football club, or cricket team or Baseball team, or whatever. Why not in hockey?

The Los Angeles area has two NHL teams, and the New York area has three, so it's not even unprecedented in the NHL.

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That said, are Torontonians that fed up with the laughs that they want to re-tool from scratch?
Leafs tickets are hard to get, so yes.

Xelebes Nov 23, 2011 4:34 AM

Montreal even had two teams before the Original Six period.

Rico Rommheim Nov 23, 2011 4:36 AM

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...K-Km3vtb_xJ8mx

2 stanley cups :)

blacktrojan3921 Nov 23, 2011 5:10 AM

Something tells me that this is the second toronto NHL team.

http://www.torontolegacy.com/

Black Star Nov 23, 2011 7:15 AM

Gawd no........

isaidso Nov 23, 2011 9:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rico Rommheim (Post 5490029)
many big cities in the world have more than 1 football club, or cricket team or Baseball team, or whatever. Why not in hockey?

Agree 100%. Melbourne has no fewer than 9 football teams, surely much larger Toronto could support 3-4 NHL teams. Montreal should have more than 1 as well.

reidjr Nov 23, 2011 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by isaidso (Post 5490336)
Agree 100%. Melbourne has no fewer than 9 football teams, surely much larger Toronto could support 3-4 NHL teams. Montreal should have more than 1 as well.

As with Toronto look at the population take in to account the massive amount of new canadians comming in many from non hockey areas but soccer/rugby mad areas my point is no i don't think toronto could support 3-4 1 more no question maybe another on say in hamilton but thats about it.As with montreal its a bit unique with how close it is to ottawa i am not sure if 3 teams in a 2 hours drive would work out all that well in this area maybe it could work but i think it would be hard on the senators as it would be the same distance for people from the east end to go to montreal as it is to go to the scotia bank place.

armorand93 Nov 23, 2011 11:53 AM

I think Quebec City should get the next one. That or Saskatchewan, since they can apparently afford such things with their resource boom

Symz Nov 23, 2011 11:58 AM

Toronto definately needs a second team. From what I hear most if not all Leafs games are usually packed/sold out and the Leafs usually pretty much stink so what does that tell ya?

There is room there for a second team, the hockey market is so strong in Canada, the GTA could support a second team.

It makes more sense to put a second team in that market than putting teams in far off southern U.S. states...

Mister F Nov 23, 2011 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by isaidso (Post 5490336)
Agree 100%. Melbourne has no fewer than 9 football teams, surely much larger Toronto could support 3-4 NHL teams. Montreal should have more than 1 as well.

The difference is that there's a lot more money in the NHL than Aussie Rules Football. AFL salaries are closer to the CFL than the NHL. Still, Toronto could definitely support another team and that arena site is just around the corner from where I live :tup: Ultimately I could see 10 NHL teams in Canada, with teams in Hamilton and Quebec City too. Assuming of course that new owners are willing to pay big bucks to the Leafs and Sabres. A concept I think is ridiculous, but hey that's how it works in North America.

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Originally Posted by Symz (Post 5490385)
Toronto definately needs a second team. From what I hear most if not all Leafs games are usually packed/sold out and the Leafs usually pretty much stink so what does that tell ya?

The Leafs are leading their division right now. Burke's rebuilding over the last 3 years is starting to pay off and while they're still young and inconsistent, when they're on they can beat anyone. They'll be a contender in the very near future.

LeftCoaster Nov 23, 2011 2:27 PM

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Originally Posted by shreddog (Post 5490019)
BTW, shouldn't this be in the Toronto section? Or at least the Ontario section??

Didn't you know, this is the Toronto section. ;)

mr.John Nov 23, 2011 2:28 PM

Over Bettman's dead dwarf body, it might interfere with his master plan to expand the NHL to Mexico..first team the Mexico city toreros,then it's off to south America with the Rio carnivals

freeweed Nov 23, 2011 3:16 PM

Winnipeg is proof positive that if you have an arena, and ownership willing to gamble, the NHL will move franchises up north. Bettman will swear up and down that this isn't going to happen anymore, but we all know the truth - at least half a dozen NHL teams are in dire straits right now and the ONLY reason they're staying put is that there's nowhere for them to play. There are cities with an arena but no owner (Kansas City) and cities with an owner but no arena (Quebec City, this is changing soon). If the GTA builds another arena and has willing ownership, they'll almost certainly get a team in short order. It may come with a $2-300 million expansion/relocation/territory fee, but they'll get one.

The Coyotes are looking ever-more-likely to move to Quebec for next season. The floodgates have opened, and Winnipeg was just the first. I forsee 9-10 Canadian franchises before this is all done, unless the US somehow has a miracle economic recovery in the next 5 years. The NHL isn't stupid, they're businessmen. If they can make more money in Canada, they'll come crawling back.

Oh wait, they already did. :D

Acajack Nov 23, 2011 3:16 PM

Well, a second Toronto area NHL team, if it were ever awarded, would certainly "work". Games would be well-attended, decent corporate sponsorships would be obtained, a lucrative TV contract would be secured, and viewers would watch the games. People would buy merchandise. All of this is a near-certainty.

(Sounds like crude capitalist logic, I know.)

However, the fly in the ointment is the NHL's stamp of approval. This will not happen until the situation in the U.S. becomes so dire* that the only two choices are a) relocating floundering teams and b) contraction. (*Not sure if things will ever get that bad, but we shall see...)

Now, no league wants to contract unless it absolutely has to. It is truly the last resort, and is far less interesting than a franchise move which at least allows you to recoup some of your losses (sometimes even to make a bit of money) and save face. Even if it means moving to a place you don't really want to go to, and that just a few weeks before the move you were telling everyone that there were NO plans to move ANY franchises. Right Winnipeg?

flar Nov 23, 2011 3:45 PM

If the Leafs would allow a team in their territory, Hamilton would have had a team years ago.

mr.John Nov 23, 2011 3:59 PM

there are rumours that maple leaf entertainment (whatever the company is called) might sell to an American investment firm for 1.5 billion (they refused my 1.4 billion offer)


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