Is the Canadian immigration points system's influence overstated compared to the US?
Sometimes the Canadian points-based immigration system makes its way into the American political discourse or stimulates discussion, and there are Americans who praise it for favoring the needs of the economy, rather than family reunification. Some say that the points system is good in how selective it is in picking highly educated, skilled workers rather than just the "average Joe" who comes in because he has family in the country.
However, from what I hear, it appears that Canada's immigrants aren't doing socio-economically that much better than south of the border. Many groups like Indian-American immigrants actually attain more on average than their Canadian counterparts economically and educationally. Many more foreign-born Canadians get stuck with jobs they're "overqualified for" than Americans who seem to translate their credentials and skills into greater actual use. Naturalized Americans who were once immigrants are very high achieving and they make up a good chunk of high socio-economic status occupations like CEOs, artists, writers, intellectuals, tech workers, scientists etc. so even if there's a high percentage of less well-off immigrants, I think Americans have gotten a large share of its immigration contributing a large amount to society. The US, even if not having a points system in the same way, has no problem attracting the world's best and brightest talent, and even brain drains away immigrants who came using Canada's points system and used the latter as merely a way-station. So I hear contradictory statements about the "problems" or "advantages" with either the US or Canadian immigration systems, but the Canadian (or Australian) points system is still no match for the pull of the American dream. |
the American dream is perhaps less enticing as of late.
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The US attracts higher quality immigrants, but it also lets in a larger proportion of low quality ones. What you keep out is more important than what you let in.
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I remember watching a story a few years ago about this on the ABC show 2020, I think it was, about an immigrant from India, he was a doctor and iniitially got into Canada and could not find work as a doctor as no place would recognize his credentials etc. So he was given a chance to go to the states, he had to take some test to prove himself etc. I think it was one of the Dakotas where he ended up and was welcomed with open arms and had been running a very successful practice, the locals loved him and had a great reputation at the state level and he was happy but disappointed with his Canadian experience which was his first choice to settle.
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Canada's Immigration bureaucrats seem to do a stellar job of letting in skilled workers and simultaneously making it as hard as possible for those skilled workers to use their skills. Conversely they make unskilled refugees who often lack even English/French language requirements fell welcome and letting them by-pass official borders to make a claim knowing it will take so long to go thru the refugee bureaucracy that they will all be allowed to stay.
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No argument from me ....
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Every time we've had a 'national goal', we've done a better job of effectively dividing ourselves than uniting ourselves - with maybe the exception of the Canadian Pacific Railway. The era of 1970-1995 was filled with "national goals" and it was one of the most bitter eras in federal-provincial relationships. By and large since then, we've not had much in the way of national goals and things have been relatively peaceful. Things that unite other countries tend to divide us - for instance, the World Wars produced division in Canada whilst they produced unity in other countries. We're a funny country that way. We do better when we focus on maintaining the status quo and getting things done by incrementalism, especially at the federal level. |
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For those that arrive in Canada with degrees from countries that don't meet the criteria, there are ways to demonstrate technical competency, and obtain the necessary Canadian experience. It happens all the time, but does take time and requires a willing employer. The provincial professional associations have a legal duty to protect the safety of Canadians - not to fast track immigrants into getting credentials that could pose serious public safety risks. |
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Canada has Codes, rules and regulations, climatic extremes and other things that can be quite different to what many P.Eng. hopefuls have experienced in their home countries. To become a P.Eng. in Canada without some degree of demonstrable Canadian experience is not possible - and that's fine by me. |
Quebec just had a cabinet shuffle this week and one of the ministers was explicitly given the mandate to loosen up professional certifications so that more highly trained and educated professionals from abroad can work in their areas of expertise here in Quebec.
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IMO what you are suggesting Quebec is doing is a pretty bad idea. You can have all the highly educated and trained professionals you want - but until they can demonstrate those skills and qualifications to the various regulatory associations in Canada - they shouldn't be able to practice their skills at a professional level in Canada, and WE shouldn't want them to. |
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If someone immigrates to Canada, they have to complete the same process as any other EIT. Which means obtaining 4 years of acceptable work experience. Within those four years, there needs to be a significant portion of "Canadian Work Experience". A lot of applicants from outside of Canada become EITs and then try to claim previous work experince towards their EIT requirements. This is fine - but you cannot come in and back claim 4 years - from say Dubai - and then hope to become registered. You could back claim a portion of that, but the rest needs to be made up of Canadian experience (which can sometimes mean working for a Canadian company in a foreign country). |
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I don't know of many "national" engineering consulting firms that maintain offices in Quebec. |
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