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gymratmanaz Mar 7, 2017 5:23 PM

Derby
 
Here is a thread about The Derby.:)

biggus diggus Mar 7, 2017 6:49 PM

http://www.euclidlibrary.org/images/...c.jpg?sfvrsn=0

Obadno Mar 7, 2017 6:50 PM

Rendering

http://res.cloudinary.com/hrscywv4p/...346_xz5gt7.png

gymratmanaz Mar 7, 2017 6:59 PM

I like both pictures!!!

muertecaza Mar 7, 2017 9:10 PM

Almost goes without saying since dirt appears to be moving here but Derby got a building permit last week with what I assume is final floor/unit counts:

Quote:

DESCRIPTION OF WORK: 21-STORY RESIDENTIAL TOWER WITH GROUND LEVEL COMMERCIAL AND 5 LEVELS OF STRUCTURED PARKING. 21ST
LEVEL HAS AN AMENITY AND FITNESS ROOM.
222 UNITS WITH (14) TYPE "A" UNITS AND (208) TYPE "B" UNITS.
TYPE 'A' UNITS 812-1412, 816-1416.

exit2lef Mar 8, 2017 4:54 PM

The excavator was hard at work this morning. This looks like it's really happening, despite the threats of litigation.

ASU Diablo Mar 8, 2017 10:00 PM

Goldwater Institute, Angel's Trumpet suing Phoenix over GPLET deal on apartment tower
 
WTF! Well the lawsuit is coming through.... :hell: This damn Angel's Trumpet Ale Owner is pissing me off. First the Roosevelt BID opposition now this?

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/n...g-phoenix.html

Quote:

The Goldwater Institute and a downtown Phoenix restaurant are suing the city of Phoenix over a tax subsidy for a soon-to-be-built 19-story apartment tower near Roosevelt Row.

The Libertarian-leaning Goldwater Institute filed suit against the city on behalf of Angel's Trumpet owners over a government property lease excise tax — GPLET — deal that allows a developer to build a 19-story apartment high-rise on a vacant lot adjacent to Angel's Trumpet in downtown Phoenix. A GPLET allows developers to avoid paying property taxes and has been a common practice among Valley cities.

The Goldwater Institute is suing the city of Phoenix on behalf of the owners of Angel's Trumpet Ale House over a tax subsidy for a developer of a 19-story apartment tower slated to be built directly in front of the restaurant in downtown Phoenix.

The project in question is a proposed $36 million, micro-housing, 19-story apartment tower called The Derby Roosevelt Row. Last March, the Phoenix City Council approved the GPLET deal with the project's developer Amstar/McKinley LLC. Units in the tower will range between 400 and 500 square feet.

The GPLET deal is projected to save the developers $8 million over 25 years.

“The Constitution mandates that all property taxes be equal among similar properties and prohibits the government from handing out gifts or special privileges to certain businesses,” said Jim Manley, a senior attorney at the Goldwater Institute representing the owners of Angel’s Trumpet. “If Arizona cities think property tax rates are too high, they should lower tax rates for everyone, not use GPLET to let the politically connected few avoid paying any property taxes at all while everyone else shoulders the burden.”

Ground work began late last month on the apartment project, which is slated for a vacant lot at the northwest corner of McKinley and Second streets. Angel's Trumpet sits just north of the lot, which has been fenced off. Construction crews have begun clearing the lot in recent days.

Goldwater is challenging the Derby Roosevelt GPLET subsidy under four provisions in the Arizona Constitution: the Gift, Uniformity, Conveyance, and Special Law Clauses, as well as statutory limits on GPLET and competitive-bidding requirements that Goldwater claims the city did not follow.

Goldwater has won previous lawsuits enforcing the gift, uniformity, and special laws clauses, according to the group, but this will be the first time anyone has challenged a subsidy under the Conveyance Clause.

A bill in the Arizona Legislature, HB 2213, would put limits in place for future GPLET deals. The bill passed the Arizona House of Representatives last month and is in the Senate.

NAIOP-AZ worked with the sponsor of the original bill to make some changes before it passed the House.

"We are gratified that the GPLET reform bill, HB 2213, recently passed the State House by a bipartisan vote and unanimously passed the Senate Finance Committee this morning 7-0," NAIOP-AZ said in a statement. "The reforms contained in HB 2213 related to GPLET, which we strongly support, will go a long way in both improving the program for taxpayers and protecting the users of the program in demonstrating a clear public benefit related to any moving forward litigation. Even the Goldwater Institute testified and is on record in support today of this bill."

Proponents of GPLETs contend they are one of the only economic development tools available to Arizona cities.

Obadno Mar 8, 2017 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airomero83 (Post 7734484)
WTF! Well the lawsuit is coming through.... :hell: This damn Angel's Trumpet Ale Owner is pissing me off. First the Roosevelt BID opposition now this?

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/n...g-phoenix.html

Who called it. Jesus Christ these guys are annoying. Do they want all the development to go to Midtown and downtown instead of Roosevelt?

biggus diggus Mar 8, 2017 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airomero83 (Post 7734484)
WTF! Well the lawsuit is coming through.... :hell: This damn Angel's Trumpet Ale Owner is pissing me off. First the Roosevelt BID opposition now this?

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/n...g-phoenix.html

I told you.

fawd Mar 8, 2017 10:27 PM

Wow - what a shame. Can someone post the text to article? It's behind a paywall.

Never liked Angels Trumpet anyway.

Obadno Mar 8, 2017 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fawd (Post 7734516)
Wow - what a shame. Can someone post the text to article? It's behind a paywall.

Never liked Angels Trumpet anyway.

Quote:

The Goldwater Institute and a downtown Phoenix restaurant are suing the city of Phoenix over a tax subsidy for a soon-to-be-built 19-story apartment tower near Roosevelt Row.

The Libertarian-leaning Goldwater Institute filed suit against the city on behalf of Angel's Trumpet owners over a government property lease excise tax — GPLET — deal that allows a developer to build a 19-story apartment high-rise on a vacant lot adjacent to Angel's Trumpet in downtown Phoenix. A GPLET allows developers to avoid paying property taxes and has been a common practice among Valley cities.

The project in question is a proposed $36 million, micro-housing, 19-story apartment tower called The Derby Roosevelt Row. Last March, the Phoenix City Council approved the GPLET deal with the project's developer Amstar/McKinley LLC. Units in the tower will range between 400 and 500 square feet.

The GPLET deal is projected to save the developers $8 million over 25 years.

“The Constitution mandates that all property taxes be equal among similar properties and prohibits the government from handing out gifts or special privileges to certain businesses,” said Jim Manley, a senior attorney at the Goldwater Institute representing the owners of Angel’s Trumpet. “If Arizona cities think property tax rates are too high, they should lower tax rates for everyone, not use GPLET to let the politically connected few avoid paying any property taxes at all while everyone else shoulders the burden.”

Ground work began late last month on the apartment project, which is slated for a vacant lot at the northwest corner of McKinley and Second streets. Angel's Trumpet sits just north of the lot, which has been fenced off. Construction crews have begun clearing the lot in recent days.

Goldwater is challenging the Derby Roosevelt GPLET subsidy under four provisions in the Arizona Constitution: the Gift, Uniformity, Conveyance, and Special Law Clauses, as well as statutory limits on GPLET and competitive-bidding requirements that Goldwater claims the city did not follow.

Goldwater has won previous lawsuits enforcing the gift, uniformity, and special laws clauses, according to the group, but this will be the first time anyone has challenged a subsidy under the Conveyance Clause.


A bill in the Arizona Legislature, HB 2213, would put limits in place for future GPLET deals. The bill passed the Arizona House of Representatives last month and is in the Senate.

NAIOP-AZ worked with the sponsor of the original bill to make some changes before it passed the House.

"We are gratified that the GPLET reform bill, HB 2213, recently passed the State House by a bipartisan vote and unanimously passed the Senate Finance Committee this morning 7-0," NAIOP-AZ said in a statement. "The reforms contained in HB 2213 related to GPLET, which we strongly support, will go a long way in both improving the program for taxpayers and protecting the users of the program in demonstrating a clear public benefit related to any moving forward litigation. Even the Goldwater Institute testified and is on record in support today of this bill."

Proponents of GPLETs contend they are one of the only economic development tools available to Arizona cities.
Hopefully development will continue despite the lawsuit.

Phxguy Mar 8, 2017 10:51 PM

Blows my mind these idiots are willing to shoot themselves in the foot by restricting developments which could only bring in more money and more people to their business. Is this because they're losing the view of downtown?

ASUSunDevil Mar 8, 2017 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fawd (Post 7734516)
Wow - what a shame. Can someone post the text to article? It's behind a paywall.

Never liked Angels Trumpet anyway.

Whether they win their idiotic lawsuit or not, you'll never see me at Angel's Trumpet House again.

Do these idiots not realize the demographic of tenants that will be living next door? MILLENNIALS THAT WILL BUY THEIR CRAFT BEER NONSTOP.

ASU Diablo Mar 8, 2017 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phxguy (Post 7734538)
Blows my mind these idiots are willing to shoot themselves in the foot by restricting developments which could only bring in more money and more people to their business. Is this because they're losing the view of downtown?

Pretty much. It "supposedly" impacts their ability to sell off the property in the future if this tower is in the way. What a crock of sh*t

Obadno Mar 8, 2017 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airomero83 (Post 7734543)
Pretty much. It "supposedly" impacts their ability to sell of the property in the future if this tower is in the way. What a crock of sh*t

A dirt lot is better for property values than a 20 story apartment building

:uhh:

lets be honest they are going to settle for like 4 million and then bail out of Roosevelt Row. go to an area they would prefer like High Street or Westgate :titanic:

ASU Diablo Mar 8, 2017 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obadno (Post 7734549)
A dirt lot is better for property values than a 20 story apartment building

:uhh:

lets be honest they are going to settle for like 4 million and then bail out of Roosevelt Row. go to an area they would prefer like High Street or Westgate :titanic:

No kidding and I hopes he does or just sells Angel's to someone that cares about the neighborhood. It's no secret he's not wanted in Roosevelt Row and is against any proposed change for the greater good of the community. Roosevelt BID? Runs off and gets a Legislator from freakin' Gilbert to create special legislation to kill it. The Derby? Runs off and gets Goldwater to file a lawsuit on his behalf.

fawd Mar 8, 2017 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASUSunDevil (Post 7734540)
Whether they win their idiotic lawsuit or not, you'll never see me at Angel's Trumpet House again.

Do these idiots not realize the demographic of tenants that will be living next door? MILLENNIALS THAT WILL BUY THEIR CRAFT BEER NONSTOP.

Yup. Boycotting Trumpet until I see a crane in the sky.

ASUSunDevil Mar 8, 2017 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fawd (Post 7734567)
Yup. Boycotting Trumpet until I see a crane in the sky.

You're nicer than I am; fuck that place forever.

exit2lef Mar 9, 2017 3:21 AM

Angels Trumpet's against-the-grain stance goes back even farther than last year's BID controversy. The owner has previously criticized the expansion of parking meter hours in the area. This lawsuit sounds like a marriage of convenience between the Goldwater Institute, which has an ideological objection to anything that resembles a subsidy, and the owner of Angels Trumpet, who is apparently trying to preserve the development potential of his own property. I do think an eventual closure or relocation of Angels Trumpet is likely, but only if the owner can sell the current property for a good price (or a reach a good settlement in the lawsuit).

TJPHXskyscraperfan Mar 9, 2017 4:28 AM

Let's all get picket signs and stand out in front of Angel Trumpet this Friday night and ruin there business for the night! How else would have cityscape got built? These big projects need tax breaks. Cityscape is the best thing to happen to downtown since the stadiums were built. This Angel Trumpet guy doesn't care about downtown or Roosevelt one bit.


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