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Housing above fire stations: Does it make sense?
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I think Sup. Peskin should have to live there. I live an unfortunate 4 or 5 blocks from a fire station and hear enough screaming fire trucks go by. To be right on top of one of the busiest fire stations in the cty, any city, seems like it would be very problematic, even with triple pane windows. I'm for putting a tower over the station, but maybe not housing. |
If they catch fire they'll get a quick response.
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Because its a Peskin proposal I'm automatically skeptical.
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why is living on top of one any worse than living across from one or next to one?
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that seems mean. here poor people, you get to live above the firestation, and hear the trucks all night long. why don't they just upzone more residential neighborhoods. what the height restriction in some the close in neighborhoods?
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Housings above fire station are not uncommon in the City of Paris but it's housing for firemen and their families.
Port Royal fire brigade Menilmontant fire station Parmentier fire station Massena fire brigade Even those where I don't know if there are housing or/and office above, fire brigade station are well integrated Saint-Anne Chateau d'Eau fire station |
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It seems meaner to completely deny people a place to live at all than to offer them the choice of a place to live above a fire station.
This same sort of paternalitsic attitude that eliminated much of the affordable housing stock to begin with--boarding/rooming houses, SROs, tenements, micro apartments etc: Because *I* can't imagine living under those conditions, we shouldn't allow anyone the choice of living in those conditions. As a poor grad student I actually lived in a 80-sq-ft room in a traditional SRO in the Bay Area for a while, and I felt lucky that I had found such a good deal. It worked perfectly for me given my situation. I know many people who wouldn't mind living on top of a fire station in SF in exchange for slightly cheaper rent, and I even know some who would pay decent money for the privilege. Even worse are the affordable housing rules in many municipalities that say that affordable units in new developments need to have exactly the same fixtures, appliances, etc as the luxury units. Wouldn't the money spent on giving a small number of lucky affordable tenants the same luxuries enjoyed by the rich be better spent providing a larger amount of run-of-the-mill housing for a larger portion of those who are unable to afford exorbitant rents? Of course upzoning or transferring air rights to nearby properties would probably be closer to an ideal outcome, but good luck with that. |
Maybe it could be specialized housing for the hearing impaired?
I don't entirely mean it as a joke. I remember in my own college town, the cheapest apartment was located directly above a pizza place which was open for awhile after the bars closed. As a result, there would be 100-200 drunk people who would congregate around the pizza place at around 1AM every single night. The apartment ended up being rented by a deaf girl who was very happy with the money she was saving. |
i don't think there are apts, but there are fire stations below office buildings around nyc.
i cant imagine trying to work above a busy station, much less live. we do live on a main street for a hospital and that was annoying with all the ambulance sirens, so that is similar, but since the hospital unfortunately closed its very noticeably quieter as you could imagine. so i dont have any problem with this proposal because it cant be much worse than living across the street or nearby to a busy firehouse. in fact, it may even be quieter than it is for the neighbors if they build the new apts right -- with double-pained glass and insulation and all that. |
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It would drive me nuts to live there, but this seems like a great way to leverage limited dollars to house more people than otherwise possible.
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Win-Win: exchange the air rights to a luxury developer for something not over a fire station. They build million dollar condos with all the best sound proofing. City gets affordable units somewhere else and those poor poor people are not getting dumped on.
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London Chinatown's fire station is built below a block of flats:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cm_-dA6XEAAU3T6.jpg |
^ well, there you go. good example. i'm not sure living above that is any worse than across the street.
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Wilmington just built affordable housing over a fire station. It replaced a cramped, aging, historic fire station down the street that was tough for fire trucks to get in and out of.
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