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mt_climber13 Jun 19, 2012 7:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 1977 (Post 5739383)

I hope they don't install that stupid concrete monster, what an embarrassment that would be.

goldcntry Jun 19, 2012 8:54 PM

Fantastic build for SF! I am loving the crown.

rriojas71 Jun 19, 2012 9:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wakamesalad (Post 5739685)
I hope they don't install that stupid concrete monster, what an embarrassment that would be.

I couldn't agree more... that thing is atrocious. Where are the NIMBY's when you really need them.

Gordo Jun 19, 2012 9:50 PM

^I dunno, I kind of like it. It's unique, which I'm typically a fan of.

I wish that we still had that giant spider on the Embarcadero, that thing was awesome. Too bad it was temporary.

NYC GUY Jun 19, 2012 10:38 PM

Although that concrete sculpture isn't that great looking it could become something that tourists like taking pics with, Sort of like the Wall Street Bull.

1977 Jun 20, 2012 12:01 AM

I don't hate it, I don't love it, but I do like the fact it will be constructed from salvaged pieces of the old Transbay Terminal.

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Hawkinson will salvage some of the demolished material from the Transbay Terminal to reconstruct from the ruins, a figure to welcome travelers to the new Transit Center. The sculpture will be approximately 41 feet high and is constructed almost entirely from the demolished remains of the original terminal. The artist sees the sculpture as a “guardian”, intended to help travelers navigate a safe journey.
Source: http://transbaycenter.org/project/tr.../tim-hawkinson

http://transbaycenter.org/uploads/2009/11/TTC_30.jpg
Source: www.transbaycenter.org

mt_climber13 Jun 20, 2012 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 1977 (Post 5739973)
I don't hate it, I don't love it, but I do like the fact it will be constructed from salvaged pieces of the old Transbay Terminal.


Source: http://transbaycenter.org/project/tr.../tim-hawkinson

http://transbaycenter.org/uploads/2009/11/TTC_30.jpg
Source: www.transbaycenter.org

I've heard it been referred to as "The last bum to leave the terminal" I like that one!

easy as pie Jun 20, 2012 12:17 AM

i don't think i've ever even visited a city with worse public art that sf. i remember curbed did a "what's the worst public art in sf?" and it was practically a 12-way tie. this one would be a close 13th, just a terrible counterpoint to something so light and forward-looking. why not have an organic counterpoint, or something vivacious and expressive? why something like out of a child's cereal box or a 1990s video game?

i do like the redwoods though, ideally, i'd see some sort of crimson red totemic type thing, maybe a soft, even gently twisting, triangle rising from within the redwood grove, with seating below. in that vision, the redwoods would be very tightly spaced, with an earth floor and some low iron gating surrounding, like entering a glen. not sure how much time people spend at the transamerica redwood glen, but in the morning, with the dew or fog hanging out there, it's transporting.

mt_climber13 Jun 20, 2012 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by easy as pie (Post 5739982)

i do like the redwoods though, ideally, i'd see some sort of crimson red totemic type thing, maybe a soft, even gently twisting, triangle rising from within the redwood grove, with seating below. in that vision, the redwoods would be very tightly spaced, with an earth floor and some low iron gating surrounding, like entering a glen. not sure how much time people spend at the transamerica redwood glen, but in the morning, with the dew or fog hanging out there, it's transporting.

Although not technically in SF, but in the Presidio, I really like this piece of public art which is in essence what you just described:

http://lensdaisy.smugmug.com/Photogr...llo-Gate-M.jpg
http://lensdaisy.com/2011/09/26/pres...san-francisco/

homebucket Jun 20, 2012 1:37 AM

I like the addition of the elevated park. It reminds me of a mini High Line from NYC, which has been very successful. Too bad it doesn't snake its way all the way to the Embarcadero though!

tech12 Jun 20, 2012 4:21 AM

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Originally Posted by homebucket
I like the addition of the elevated park. It reminds me of a mini High Line from NYC, which has been very successful. Too bad it doesn't snake its way all the way to the Embarcadero though!

Old designs had the rooftop park extending south, along the top of the bus ramp to the freeway, making it even more like a mini high line park. You can see part of it in this rendering:

http://inhabitat.com/wp-content/blog...t-Center-9.jpg
http://inhabitat.com/sfs-green-trans...on/transbay-2/

Unfortunately it seems that it's no longer part of the design.

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Originally Posted by wakamesalad (Post 5739685)
I hope they don't install that stupid concrete monster, what an embarrassment that would be.

Agreed. I wouldn't really mind if they built it somewhere else that's less visible/trafficked, because I like off the wall and weird stuff...but building it as the centerpiece sculpture of SF's new tallest tower? Hopefully not, I think they can do a lot better than that ugly pile of blocks. And can we tear down the giant bow and arrow on the embarcadero, while we're at it?

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Originally Posted by wakamesalad (Post 5739987)
Although not technically in SF, but in the Presidio, I really like this piece of public art which is in essence what you just described:

http://lensdaisy.smugmug.com/Photogr...llo-Gate-M.jpg
http://lensdaisy.com/2011/09/26/pres...san-francisco/

Whoa that's pretty cool. I didn't know about it, which reminds me how little I go to the Presidio. Also, even though the Presidio is national park service land, it's still a part of SF.

easy as pie Jun 20, 2012 6:19 AM

yeah, like i almost never go to the presidio, i think i've been there a dozen times in my life. i don't know if the presidio is technically part of sf but, psychologically, it seems really removed. then again, so does st francis wood and stonestown and even the excelsior.

tech12 Jun 20, 2012 8:09 AM

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Originally Posted by easy as pie (Post 5740272)
yeah, like i almost never go to the presidio, i think i've been there a dozen times in my life. i don't know if the presidio is technically part of sf but, psychologically, it seems really removed. then again, so does st francis wood and stonestown and even the excelsior.

Same here, I've been to the Presidio maybe 10 times in the past decade, aside from driving through. It does feel like a different world compared to the rest of SF, but it is part of SF . It has over 2,000 residents and is in district 2 along with the Marina, Pacific Heights, Presidio Heights, Seacliff, and some of the Western Addition and Russian Hill.

mt_climber13 Jun 20, 2012 8:14 AM

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Originally Posted by tech12 (Post 5740304)
Same here, I've been to the Presidio maybe 10 times in the past decade, aside from driving through. It does feel like a different world compared to the rest of SF, but it is part of SF . It has over 2,000 residents and is in district 2 along with the Marina, Pacific Heights, Presidio Heights, Seacliff, and some of the Western Addition and Russian Hill.

District 2- that's my hood ;)

CyberEric Jun 20, 2012 9:49 AM

I love the concrete monster, I hope they keep it there. Wouldn't it be considered NIMBY to oppose it?

And I like SF's public art, it's not all great, but at least it's there in relative abundance. There are a lot of other cities that have very little public art whatsoever and they'd do well to even have SF's mediocre pieces. I am living in London now, and there is so little public art it feels a bit sterile.
I find it interesting how hard people living in San Francisco are on the city sometimes, it's this funny self-loathing thing. I suppose it's everywhere.

tech12 Jun 20, 2012 4:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberEric (Post 5740328)
I love the concrete monster, I hope they keep it there. Wouldn't it be considered NIMBY to oppose it?

And I like SF's public art, it's not all great, but at least it's there in relative abundance. There are a lot of other cities that have very little public art whatsoever and they'd do well to even have SF's mediocre pieces. I am living in London now, and there is so little public art it feels a bit sterile.
I find it interesting how hard people living in San Francisco are on the city sometimes, it's this funny self-loathing thing. I suppose it's everywhere.

I don't think it's very self-loathing to hate an ugly sculpture, especially one that's not even built yet. I actually like the sculpture in Justin Herman plaza, which is similar in that it's blocky and concrete, though some others thing it's 100% fugly. SF does have some good public art, but that proposed concrete block man wouldn't be an example, in my opinion, at least in that location.

mt_climber13 Jun 20, 2012 4:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberEric (Post 5740328)
I love the concrete monster, I hope they keep it there. Wouldn't it be considered NIMBY to oppose it?

There are plenty of skyscrapers in SF I loathe as well. Yes, I suppose it is a type of NIMBYism if I were to campaign against it and waste taxpayer money on ballot initiatives to block it. To not like something is not NIMBYism.

1977 Jun 20, 2012 5:43 PM

Honestly, they could put a bronze pile of crap on that corner and I wouldn't really care. I'm just happy to see an actual super tall in SF. I never thought I'd see the day!

peanut gallery Jun 20, 2012 5:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wakamesalad (Post 5739979)
I've heard it been referred to as "The last bum to leave the terminal" I like that one!

HA! I like that too. That's exactly what I will call it from now on. Too funny!

We're wandering off topic here, but I think SF has very good public art. Some I consider good and some bad (a subjective thing for sure), but there is a good amount of it in the parts of town I frequent (mostly FiDi and other parts of the northeast). I think it stacks up just fine with most places I've been.

1977 Jun 20, 2012 6:06 PM

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originally posted by wakamesalad
i've heard it been referred to as "the last bum to leave the terminal" i like that one!
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Originally Posted by peanut gallery (Post 5740683)
ha! I like that too. That's exactly what i will call it from now on. Too funny!

+1!


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