Interestingly, there was a crew working on the Mission St. tower today, preparing forms for the ground or Floor 2 level. Maybe they are wrapping up this piece prior to suspending all activity...?

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...1f6f2e8b_z.jpg

They are actually working on dismantling all the core forms and concrete pumping equipment. I can see them taking them apart and stacking the parts up for pick-up one by one. Unfortunately, this probably means that they aren't planning on securing funding anytime soon since it took them a while to put up all the core forms and concrete pumping equipment. I won't be surprised to see them dismantling this crane this weekend. At least, they were able to get the ground level concrete pour in to cover most of the exposed rebar.

Picture below, taken just now 10/23/2019:

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^^I think it's very likely that the plan now is to build the towers sequentially so the work won't resume on the Mission St. tower until the First St. one is completed or close to it which will be several years. I don't think it's a matter of "securing funding". It's a matter that they've determined sequential rather than simultaneous is the way to go based on market conditions.

Incidentally, there's a consensus right now in the real estate industry that it's hard to build condos profitably in SF right now and that hotels are one of the riskiest segments of the industry in a recession. The Mission tower was to have those 2 components whereas the First St. tower has a lot of office--a much safer bet in SF right now.

So I think Oceanwide is placing their bet on the office part of the project and hoping in 2-3 years, when that's done, the outlook for hotels and condos will be improving rather than worsening (that is, we'll be coming out of any 2020-2021 recession if there is one).

While it's a shame that we may see a long delay for the condo/hotel portion, I'm really glad the taller, skyline defining one is still rolling

Could they possibly reconsider the hotel/condo component for the tower on hold and just go with commercial space/office?

If they did, it could possibly speed up the re-start of the second tower.

If you look at the floorplates that looks way too small for office, hardly any space because of how huge the core/ elevator shafts are. You can get away with tiny cramped spaces for hotel rooms and condos, but not for offices, at least not offices that will attract premium rents required to pay off the sky high construct costs + profits.

I believe that would need a whole new set of approvals from the Planning Dept. as well as a Prop. M allocation (for which they'd be at the end of a long line).

I think it's easier to just add a couple hundred feet to the taller office tower... :)

Any activity or news since the last post on Oct. 25?

No concrete news, but I walked by a couple days ago and there was a good amount workers and activity on the First Street Tower

Not surprised by this and IMO, a positive move to move this project forward.

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfranc..._news_headline

Post #768 from last December 9, 2018...I also think it will continue and this could be a positive turn, but never bought into the Waldorf Astoria concept of its saving the project. According to the Business Times article, that deal is now in the rear view mirror.

not sure this tells us anything... looks about the same as the last time I was by there:

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Well, I think most of us have been kind of expecting this, but here it is:

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfranc...5XR3AifQ%3D%3D

That’s too bad, but looked like there was a lot of interest if they can get to the right price.

Redesign?

To make it taller? :)

What makes a project like this in SF valuable is (a) there's already interest in leasing the whole thing so it's not just a "spec" project and (b) it's fully "entitled" as is (approved by Planning, got building permits, no legal challenges blah, blah).

A significant redesign would void all that as well as costing money and taking time itself. It would have to be approved by Planning, possibly require another EIR (or waiver), subject it to potential court challenges. In other words, it could stop construction and add years to completion.

At least when it comes to the First St tower that's still under construction, it would make no sense that I can see. I expect construction on that to continue at, as the BizTimes says, a "slow pace" until a buyer comes forward.

If it's true the Mission Tower, already halted, no longer pencils out as hotel/residential, THAT and that only might seek approval for conversion to office (but probably NOT any change in its envelope--i.e. making it taller).

Yeah I highly suspect that the second tower will be converted to office space. Probably better for it to get off the ground faster.

I believe they would likely have to go to the "back of the line", as there is currently an ~6 year backlog of Prop M commercial space already approved in the pipe line. Changing the use and approving a new building design would take years to accomplish.