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Grumpy May 29, 2005 9:49 PM

BERLIN - the update thread
 
Anything going on here ?
It has been a while someone posted something about this city....

Wasn't there a huge proposal to change the famous Alexanderplatz ??

Matty May 30, 2005 5:06 PM

I'd also like to know.

nito May 30, 2005 9:17 PM

I actually have pictures from Berlin Town Hall showing the actual models of Alexanderplatx - around 7 towers, 2 definately 150m+

Alas exams mean I can not waste much time, but later...

Grumpy May 31, 2005 3:59 PM

I wait :)

Euh how is the situation with the metro extensions or better the entire urban network towards the future ?
What is planned and/or approved ?

Grumpy Jun 1, 2005 8:17 PM

Here is the study on the Alex -in german- :

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...lexanderplatz/

an impression of what it could become :

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...ktiven_800.jpg

Matty Jun 2, 2005 2:51 AM

No offense, but yawners.

They should steal architects from Frankfort.

Jai-C Jun 2, 2005 4:16 AM

These pictures aren't proper proposals just studies. The problem with Berlin's future skyscrapers is that current vacancy rates are too high and the rents are too low. As long as the real estate market has not recovered this skyscraper planning is nothing more than a vision.

Grumpy Jun 2, 2005 7:44 PM

BLN Hauptbahnhof

http://www.db.de/site/shared/de/bild...type=large.jpg
http://www.db.de/site/shared/de/bild...type=large.jpg
http://www.db.de/site/shared/de/bild...type=large.jpg

Anschutz Arena

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwel...tball_Nord.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwel...ektiveSued.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwel...a/Suedwest.jpg

Zoofenster

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...12_379x650.jpg

Neues Schimmelpfennig Haus

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...kg_450x675.jpg

Areal Postbahnhof

http://morgenpost.berlin1.de/z/photo...519e13_bmp.jpg

Am Zirkus

http://morgenpost.berlin1.de/z/photo...a6a639_bmp.jpg

Leipziger Platz

http://www.potsdamer-platz.net/images/leipzpl.jpg

Alexanderplatz

some impressions:

http://www.alexanderplatz.de/modellkollhoff.jpg

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...x/lageplan.jpg

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...exanderstr.jpg

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...rcksen_str.jpg

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...gruner_str.jpg

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...ltaire_str.jpg

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...3d_ansicht.jpg

canucklehead2 Jun 2, 2005 8:34 PM

I was just about to start a thread asking about Alexanderplatz. Personally, I think they should preserve the look and feel of the area, even if it still remains a symbol of the cities recent Communist past. I really hate when architecture is redesigned for political reasons, and this seems to be the case about downtown east Berlin. By making it generic modern European it loses the essense of what it unique, and why the area has become sort of a tourist attraction onto itself.

Grumpy Jun 4, 2005 8:52 AM

2 scale modells

http://img108.exs.cx/img108/8330/alexa2ng.jpg

http://img108.exs.cx/img108/1594/alexa23bu.jpg

ninja Jun 4, 2005 9:46 AM

How can they do all of this with a bad economy?

DTiger Jun 5, 2005 1:14 AM

The economy isn't bad anymore. Actually it was the best in the euro area in the first 3 months of this year

The Dear Leader Jun 5, 2005 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canucklehead2
I was just about to start a thread asking about Alexanderplatz. Personally, I think they should preserve the look and feel of the area, even if it still remains a symbol of the cities recent Communist past. I really hate when architecture is redesigned for political reasons, and this seems to be the case about downtown east Berlin. By making it generic modern European it loses the essense of what it unique, and why the area has become sort of a tourist attraction onto itself.

Alexanderplatz is downright disgusting. It's faceless and ugly, so if it became faceless and decent looking it would be a huge improvement IMO.

nito Jun 5, 2005 1:47 PM

The Berlin Model (built, u/c and future)
 
The Berlin Model in Berlin


The following are pictures taken from the Berlin Town Hall Model Room (way back in Easter this year - been so busy that I aint been able to find time to post all these pictures and lots more). White models indicate buildings already built, the wood-colour blocks indicate buildings either built, u/c or future proposals after 1990-2000. The main future proposals being around Alexanderplatz (where all those towers are)...currently only masking blocks, but general dimensions for the very long term (Berlin has a very high vacancy rate for the moment and near future).



http://img146.echo.cx/img146/2462/015sa.jpg


http://img146.echo.cx/img146/3701/027cs.jpg


http://img146.echo.cx/img146/6553/031gm.jpg


http://img146.echo.cx/img146/1593/041hv.jpg


http://img146.echo.cx/img146/7648/054jg.jpg


http://img146.echo.cx/img146/9708/062eq.jpg


http://img146.echo.cx/img146/7029/079vz.jpg


http://img146.echo.cx/img146/9766/090jg.jpg


http://img146.echo.cx/img146/1834/103sx.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/1497/172pk.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/6817/117lm.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/2386/257mi.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/2835/122sm.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/my.php?image=137ck.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/8951/292hd.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/674/146ge.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/7742/158fx.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/7715/162bo.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/8388/183nv.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/9571/199li.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/4051/203lo.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/7553/213ek.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/9654/227df.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/5911/231wl.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/1578/282hg.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/8951/292hd.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/1484/246ni.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/8312/266iz.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/5869/275vz.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/1355/305rb.jpg

nito Jun 5, 2005 1:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nick_taylor
I actually have pictures from Berlin Town Hall showing the actual models of Alexanderplatx - around 7 towers, 2 definately 150m+

Alas exams mean I can not waste much time, but later...

Exams over and here they are (around 30 pics):


http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...threadid=77939



Alexanderplatz is a shit hole - looks old, doesn't fit in with the way Berlin is going and is quite literally a tumour on the city. Bonus is that I got free beer while there :laugh:

Grumpy Jun 5, 2005 4:30 PM

I adore scale modells and this one is very interesting !
How long does this exhibition goes on ?

nito Jun 5, 2005 5:11 PM

This is a permanent exhibition I believe. I took more pictures which actually show Berlin at other stages in its history - I might give a taster of them in a few minutes. 2 of the other models of Berlin are shown in the background in these two pictures:

http://img291.echo.cx/img291/8312/266iz.jpg

http://img291.echo.cx/img291/5869/275vz.jpg

nito Jun 5, 2005 5:18 PM

http://img292.echo.cx/img292/6656/a1je.jpg

http://img296.echo.cx/img296/5456/b5ht.jpg

http://img292.echo.cx/img292/9144/c0cr.jpg

http://img296.echo.cx/img296/6860/d0bs.jpg

http://img296.echo.cx/img296/4897/e1ic.jpg

Grumpy Jun 5, 2005 7:30 PM

It is a permanent exhibition !!

„Stadtentwicklung – Pläne, Modelle, Projekte“ - die Ausstellung in der Behrenstraße

Die ständige Ausstellung „Stadtentwicklung – Pläne, Modelle, Projekte“ macht zwei Innenstadtmodelle in den Maßstäben 1:500 und 1:1.000 sowie das Planmodell der DDR aus dem Jahr 1989 der Öffentlichkeit zugänglich.

Beide Innenstadtmodelle ergänzen sich in ihren unterschiedlichen Maßstäben und räumlichen Details. Ergänzt werden diese Modelle durch eine interaktive Präsentation des digitalen 3D-Stadtmodells sowie die erstmalig auf der 7. Architektur-Biennale 2000 in Venedig gezeigte Ausstellung "Physiognomie einer Großstadt. Berlin 1945 - 1953 - 1989 - 2000 - 2010".

Ausstellungsort
Senatsverwaltung für Stadtentwicklung
Behrenstraße 42
in Berlin-Mitte
zu erreichen mit der U-Bahn Linie U6, U-Bhf Französische Straße
oder per Bus: 100, 147, 200, 348

Grumpy Jun 5, 2005 8:05 PM

found a 3D modell of the Potzdamer Platz

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...erung2D_3D.gif


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